 Welcome to JSA TV, the newsroom for data center and telecom professionals. I'm Barb Mitchell joining you today from the floor of Data Cloud Global Congress here in beautiful Monaco. And joining me is Leneak Andreo, a general manager power systems for EMEA, India, and Australia for Kohler. Thanks for having me, Barb. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining us. And it's great to see you here in Monaco. And I know that, you know, you're focused on, as all of the Kohler and all of your team is focused a lot around sustainability. So I think we're going to start our conversations there today. True. So beyond being a power business, you know, Kohler is also a kitchen and bass player, right? Quite a lot. So involving water, in water projects around the world for cleaner water, easier access to water specifically for children and girls, right? Because there's a direct correlation between these types of projects and educations and the well-being of the society. So parking that part a little bit, you know, I'm more the generator guys, you know, I use the part of the company providing backup to the data center power industry. And you know, traditionally we've called ourselves diesel generator manufacturers, right? And we've had the opportunity a bit more recently to test different types of fuel that we can put in our generators. So we don't have our to call ourselves diesel anymore, right? And I know you're going to eat in that point a bit later, but there are today's opportunities that are developing in terms of biofuel, in terms of synthetic fuel that are going to make existing products much cleaner, you know, and much better at capturing the carbon for our industry. Yeah. And I love that. Kohler as a whole, as I said, and you've said as well, your entire company globally is focused on these things in whichever way you can be, you know, big and small. And what we're talking about today is Kohler Power and Kohler Power for data centers. And you know, I'd love to hear about some of the innovations that you've been working on as a team, such as HVO, et cetera. Sure. Let's talk about HVO. I want to know the word about Kohler. It's our 150th year anniversary. Yes, right? This year? Yes, happy anniversary. It's very cool. And, you know, and there's an element in the family business that you want to leave the business better for the next generation. Right. So it's the same for our industry, right? You want to get this industry cleaner for the next generation. So HVO helps us do that, you know, how does it help us do that? Of course, it's a fuel that is created from, you know, green stuff that you recoup in a really short circuit in Europe, and it's refined in Europe. And it's a fuel that has the advantage of keeping itself much longer than diesel. You don't have to clean it as much as diesel. And you can capture up to 90% carbon, you know, as you use this fuel in our generators without any noticeable impact on performance or durability of the equipment. Beyond supplying this to a select number of our customers and the industry in general, we've also decided to move all our factory to this fuel. Why not do the right thing? It's a bit more expensive than diesel today or GNR. It's 1.4, 1.5 times. It's a bit more difficult to find, but it's always the same. It's always a balance between supply and demand. As the demand grows, then the oil and gas companies and the people involved in that fuel business will actually produce more. But we took the opportunity, right? Why not do the right thing? Why not impact our region, you know, our west of France immediately with the right carbon capture impacts? And we're very excited we have done that. We're very excited that some of the industries has also followed us and opted that in their data centers. You've got a number of our customers today that run the data centers on that HVO fuel only. Yeah. And you're leading by example, which is great. Because to your point, some people ask the question, you know, how will we do this? It's, you know, more difficult for this reason or that reason. But you're finding the way. Look, it's a good investment, right? It's a good investment for the future. It's a good investment for the industry. It sets us apart. It helps the industry with, of course, the energy is a big topic, you know, beyond data center in Europe, you know, we've had a big topic on potential power cut, you know, we have, of course, a geopolitical climate that puts a lot of stress on the energy networks everywhere. So being able to play a little part and as you say, do the right thing and adopt a fuel that is that is much more amicable for our populations around the country where we deployed was just the right thing to do. Yeah. And so you've hinted, you know, a couple of times I've heard you say, you know, supply chain and the supply of energy and various. But when you specifically with HVO, you know, when you think about supply chain and differences potentially between Europe and North America. It's probably much more European play at the moment, right? So the, mainly it is distributed by the traditional oil and gas companies providers, right? They've been more probably proactive at investing in that in Europe. In France, we're in Monaco, you know, France is very nearby. You know, in France, it is not a problem to find it to do all our tests, for example, for all our generators in our factory. We test tens of thousands of generators every year. It was not a problem for us to acquire the right quantities of fuel to do that. You know, would you be able to change all the buses of France to that fuel today? Right. Probably not, right? So that was my point about adapting the supply to demand. I think it's going to be something that progresses over time as people realize the benefits, you know, and as people keep on investing in. One of the big benefit of that fuel is it works with existing technology. Right. So you don't have to, you know, change your diesel engines or go buy new technology. And each time you create a new product, there's a carbon footprint associated with that, you know, creation. So it's a bit of a recycling of technology that is widely deployed through the market whilst limiting drastically its carbon impact. So we're pretty confident in it. We also think it's, you know, it's just one fuel. I'm not a fuel expert. What's next? I don't know. But I can tell you we're testing many, many other fuels, synthetics ones, biofuels of other nature that we for sure compete HVO, but we'll bring all the solutions to the forefront in the future. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm glad you said that because that was going to be, you know, my next question was just around what next, what are you seeing other than HVO for, you know, backup power, etc. What are you seeing in the short term and then longer term for our industry? Well, we're not excluding anything, right? You know, battery storage has carved out the space for himself in certain type of applications. Hydrogen is a big question around the world. You know, whether you put it in an engine or you put it in a fuel cells, you know, or wind and solar are also a viable source of energy. So we're, you know, at color, we're not excluding anything. We're betting and studying and trying to engineer all of these projects to learn. I think it's going to be horses for courses, right? I think we're going to try to, I think the world has interest, the economy, the industry has interest to try to understand what best technology to use for what type of application, right? And all of the fuels and all of the technologies are mentioned have extremely viable applications and we'll have in the future. The mix is going to be the big question. Right. Yeah, I understand. Well, for those of our viewers, I know we only have a couple of days left of this show. So hopefully you'll, I think that you'll be busy over the next couple of days. It goes without saying. Yeah. So for those folks who maybe don't get a chance to connect with you here at the show, how can they connect with you or your team at Kohler? Well, it's very easy. We have a ride in the middle of the exhibition right there up the stairs, you know, up pointing this way. You know, you'll find us, we have a little stand with a color name on it. And of course, you can collect to our website and find all the contacts you need. But we'd love to talk to you about energy. That's what we do. Yeah. Thank you so much, Lenny. Thank you for joining us. Really appreciated speaking with you. I always, you know, love hearing some of the innovations coming out of Kohler and your role in that is interesting to hear about as well. So thank you. And thank you viewers for tuning in to JSATV coming to you live today from the floor of Data Cloud Global Congress. All the best until next time.