 There's Call me a word boy Bit of a word boy myself You can be my word girl But why was it always why was it why did they choose the boy and not like I'm a cow man Well, because it's the owner of the ranch probably By the way, I totally making this this is totally made up It's the owner of the ranch who's like look look a little condescending right my boy is out there on the ranch doing work for me With the cows Cowboy this kind of belittling though, you're right Like I have I have moved from cowboy to cow man Now Cow man sounds like a little bit disturbing What about just cow person Yeah, I'm a cow person a cow person It's like what was that Chris Elliott movie cabin boy he has that line I'm a crab and boy But when I return I shall become a cat. I'll be a cabin man. I Never saw that It's a Chris Elliott movie. They if you like his humor you might chuckle. Yeah, definitely of its time Like that's the movie that did not did not age at all It was funny when Chris Elliott Junior was still somebody people knew from David Letterman Was that a TV show he did all I remember was the Because it had that stand by our EM is the opening theme music Captain Jack's like it was stupid even back in the early 90s. Come on It was kind of stupid fun. I do remember the episode. He set away for a giant Like submersible like a submarine Life that was Chris Elliott life and he put in the bathtub But it was one of those bathtub showers with the sliding Door so he had to seal up the glass portion of it so you can fill it with enough water to put this up in it It was really stupid The era of stupid human tricks was this is the generation of offspring music Well, my friends Now that we've discussed Chris Elliott Junior fertility rates in my Thanksgiving plans Cow people really do and cow people I Think that might be the right thing to do the right way to do it Then I will begin it in 15 seconds Okay Everybody ready in four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news directly if you're not already become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the daily tech news for Tuesday, November 20th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and from beautiful Finnish countryside. I'm Patrick Beja and Somewhere in the LA County area. I am Roger Chang the show's producer We are gonna talk about a pretty interesting new technology company That's trying to do something. I've seen a lot of people do which is project And well not even project but just turn anything into an input device a lot of times We get folks in our regular surveys saying why don't you talk about companies that are doing new things? Well, that's what we're gonna do today. Let's start with a few other new things. You should know It's not new but Bitcoin dropped to its lowest level in over a year on Monday sinking to $4,883 and 9 cents if you're converting to US dollars Which is a drop of 22% in the past seven days and more than 65% this year according to data from coin desk The cryptocurrency is also down more than 30% since the Thanksgiving holiday week last year Bad for my predictions Cheddar's sources say snap plans to release a $350 version of its spectacle glasses This one will have two cameras an aluminum frame and the ability to produce augmented reality effects in videos Right there in the glasses snap plans to make 24,000 pairs of this new model So for those of you keeping score, it's the most expensive pair of spectacles and it's the lowest production run yet What are they doing? They're a camera company. They're making spectacles Let's talk a little more about something that we loved but is going away or at least a lot of us did Some of us did I mean a few valve is discontinuing its steam link device But we'll continue to support it the box steamed PC games to a TV through a plug-in controller keyboard and mouse the steam link launched in 2015 but since then valve has brought the steam link app directly to Android phones and Samsung Smart TVs and pulled back focus on additional hardware devices This is probably something that didn't need to continue to exist because you can use almost any device now as a steam link But it was pretty cool to be able to just take this little $20 or at its cheapest $2 and 50 cents Tiny device and turn whatever screen you could attach it to into an extension of your PC I mean it's something at that cheap and obviously it wasn't always two dollars and fifty cents But I mean the company definitely slashed the prices. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense It sounds like they just had a hard time getting the word out plus it being a bit of a middleman When once the app came to smartphone devices Particularly Android a lot of people just leapfrog to the need for it at all Yeah, it's I mean the app does the job. It's not available on on Apple devices, which is a little bit of a bummer It does the job on you know Android smart TV devices. I'm guessing I don't have one so I don't haven't tested it But there's no reason it wouldn't It's still it was the price was slashed last year already or early this year It was like five bucks that like literally delivery was more expensive than the device itself And it already seemed like they were clear-and-sale in it But beyond this I think it's interesting to see valve kind of pulling back on It seems all of its weird efforts Valve for a long time has been a very successful game development company and when steam took off They they stopped making games essentially they made a few here and there but it wasn't the heart of their business anymore and they Tried doing hardware stuff and and hardware. Do you remember the steam machines? And those were response to concerns that Microsoft might try to make it more difficult for third-party apps to Run on Windows at some point now that has been those fears have been alleviated and so This team machines kind of went away There there's a whole lot of factors, but overall I'm kind of wondering what Valve is is if valve isn't thinking alright, you know what we've tried a lot of things We've done some VR stuff. We they didn't build it themselves Maybe it's time we start being serious again. Maybe they won't I mean they're privately hold held company They can do whatever they want But this really seems like they're starting to Clean up all of the different weird things they've been trying their hands at for the past few years and the steam cash cow can keep them going for a while although You know companies like discord are starting to even try to eat into that So so yeah, it would be interesting to see if this if they start doubling down back on games again Sources tell the Wall Street Journal that Samsung is working on four different variants of the galaxy s10 It's been kind of under wraps although there's been some rumors about what the device would be Well, the Wall Street Journal sources say this would include a 5g capable 6.7 inch model nicknamed it beyond x but two cameras in the front and four in the back Six cameras total everybody Samsung reportedly will unveil the camera mid-February But then release in conjunction with 5g network rollouts with various carriers at least in the US The other three s10 models are said to have screens Ranging from 5.8 to 6.4 inches and have three to five cameras total each So we might not get this right away after it's announced if 5g service isn't available It sounds like they're according to the journal They're talking to carriers about whether they'll be able to launch on 5g on their networks because they want to have That there so it'd be interesting if we get four variants announced three of them are just what you'd expect in the slow evolution of Smartphones in a galaxy s10 one is this six camera beast with 5g But you can't get it until maybe November or something It November seems quite far off. I would be surprised if it was that far off I mean you don't necessarily need 5g at the moment. You're buying it at least your future proof So maybe there's what your journal was saying it They wouldn't sell it till you could get that one with 5g service, right? I understand I think you know 5g is gonna start appearing relatively soon in some countries. So maybe I don't know what strikes me even more in this rumor is the galaxy s10 the big model seems like a way to Sell a really expensive phone and that's something that has been working out quite well for Apple So I wouldn't be surprised if other companies that are trying to increase their Revenue and and margins in a world where people buy less phones If they're trying the same things, I mean it worked for Apple. There's no reason wouldn't work for them They're one of the few premium premium brands on Android and they should probably be able to capture the same kind of sentiment Yeah, I I don't know that just a lot. I mean, I know some people are very You know very very into multiple cameras And so that might be enough to get a few people interested obviously having a 5g phone early We'll get a lot of early adopters interested The foldable phone isn't gonna be this one from Samsung though So I'm not sure how different this is really. I mean features There aren't a million things they can do. It's gonna have a really big screen. It's gonna have 5g. It's gonna have six cameras You know, if you want the best one it almost doesn't really matter what the best one features as long as it's the best one and Certainly in the case of Apple it seems that that's the way it's working. You can get to 10R which is, you know, 90% When the 10S does or even more People don't really care the people who are I think in the market for these kinds of phones If they have 900 bucks to spend on a phone and they want the best one They're probably okay spending 1100 bucks, you know, so I don't know There has to be a little bit somewhere, but yeah, I don't I know what you're saying, right? Of course But in that range, I think it's it's it still works out Microsoft is implementing Fido to password-free logins for Microsoft accounts used for things like Outlook, Office 365, OneDrive, Skype, Xbox Live, Bing, few others It works on Windows 10 and the edge browsers So users have to have a hardware key like a Yuba key which can work with USB Bluetooth or NFC And then that hardware key is used in combination with Windows Hello Either the facial recognition or the fingerprint recognition You could also use the Yuba key type thing with a pin code or with a phone running the Microsoft Authenticator app, but the idea is however you're using it as long as you're using Windows 10 or Edge You will be able to just log in without having to know a password The pin code is the closest to a password, but it can be a lot simpler so easier to remember and still be securely logged in Other companies that support hardware augmented login through Fido to our Google Dropbox Twitter Facebook GitHub last pass one password in Dashlane But this is a big deal especially because of the large swath of the enterprise market that Microsoft has to be able to make another step towards a password-free world and living in it I Don't know that I prefer two-factor authentication where To I have to have two things. I mean, I don't because one of them is by factor authentication though No, but I mean you want to have something you know But but if you do you don't have to have a thing if it's facial ID, right? Right, but facial isn't there yet. I don't think you know you if you're using no My point is you don't have a camera on every PC you do on every laptop But you don't on every desktop or like you have to set it up. I don't I you know I have Windows. Hello on my desktop here. I don't use it because it's cumbersome Being an old man is what you're going to say and No, I'm gonna let you go on this one because you know, you narrowed you're narrowed your objection enough But Windows Hello works really well that that's where my reactor my original reaction came from I use I love Windows Hello I mean as somebody who has to reset passwords on at least three services a week even though I use a password manager and feel like I'm somewhat in control of the kind of passwords I'm choosing at any given time. I like this idea passwords are a pain They, you know, it seemed like the you know, that was that was the most secured method for a really long time and there have been advancement certainly but I don't know bring on the facial recognition. I'm ready Let us know feedback a daily technician I'm slowly becoming a Sarah though. Give me another couple of years I'll be there Amazon is in the running to buy Fox's 22 regional sports networks from Disney Disney is acquiring a large portion of Fox and has agreed to conditions on the acquisition that they must sell the 22 regional sports networks Within 90 days of the close of the acquisition among the 22 networks is the yes network Which carries the New York Yankees and Brooklyn Nets games, which are sports team I imagine in the United States of America I think yank no no no Yankees. I think they're baseball. That's right. Okay, and Nets. I'm gonna guess basketball because Not too bad Several other companies are interested in buying the networks and some are interested in buying the yes network Separately, how could you say no? today can't say dirty. Yes Boston fan maybe right. So what would Amazon do with? the original sports networks video add sports to prime video because other people say like I don't want to cut the court. I need my sports But what if suddenly Amazon said hey as part of Amazon Prime, you now get your sports Sounds like that would be a reasonable answer to that reasonable objection Yeah, I mean that the yes network is is you know, it doesn't contain Information on teams that I'm usually watching but that version of the network that was You know centered around San Francisco teams. I would pay for I would you know I'd pay a little premium and if that was part of Amazon Prime in some fashion that would be great because Unless something is on local Television, I don't see it when it's that's a really good example because Bay Area sports is on Comcast Sports Bay area Which is an NBC owned property that would not be part of this So the Bay Area folks wouldn't get the advantage but Fox Sports West which has got the LA area teams would be on this But the Dodgers are not on that only the Angels So far as baseball goes so it is not going to get them all the sports But it certainly would give them access to a lot of it and and be a thing that they could add to Amazon Prime video My guess is as an add-on like add-on a regional sports network to your prime video subscription the way you add on stars or HBO or something like that Oh my god, we're getting there. We're going back. We're going back to the past. That's terrible But we get to watch our sports Patrick and still be court cutters Air quotes when you're saying course Hold on before we move on though, I have to I have to counter that because Amazon gives you a lot more control than any traditional cable company Of course, of course. No, I was you know semi joking Well, Google's making some improvements to its call screen feature that will include Transcripts, this is according to employee posts on Google forums And those transcripts will automatically be saved to the dialer app after the call for later viewing Anybody who used this feature before you could see the transcript while you were screening the call But there wasn't a save option unless you took a screenshot So a little bit cumbersome beforehand a Google employee named Paul Dom that wrote that this new feature quote will be available to our public beta Testers first and then all pixel 3 users later in the year now This this is interesting because I think this is an example of you don't really know how people are going to use it Until you launch it because I for one felt that well Why would you want a transcript when they first demoed this? I'm like, yeah, I want to see what's happening while the call is on so I can decide whether to pick up or not That that was the way it was pitched and I thought that was pretty valuable But what happened is a lot of people missed the call and then said well, I want to see what they said They didn't leave a message But of course you just save a transcript and I could see who that was and decide with to block them or call Them back and Google's like, huh. Well, we didn't really think anybody'd want to do that But all right and and good responsiveness here making that happen Is there some privacy issue there because I don't think the reasonable expectation is that you're going to be somehow recorded as you're talking to the assistant um Unless the assistant tells you But I mean you were to leave a voicemail now I yes, but this is not a voicemail, right? Well, yeah, it is. I mean it's it's the rules for me to write down what you're saying When you called me would I know but it's a technicality. I think this is a new thing and people wouldn't be expecting anyone And especially not that computer to be writing it down And I don't think it quite falls into the area of voicemail as you're saying sarah Maybe it does. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what this is, but it picks up kind of Make leading you to believe that you're Being screened and and being asked question to for the person to decide whether or not you're they're going to pick up So it's not quite voicemail and if that conversation is being recorded even if it's in writing and not in voice I don't know. There's a little bit of a creepy coming up with an objection where one doesn't need to be because the Objection has always been you need to tell me that this is a computer And I think it does that now it says hey i'm the google assistant and i'll be I don't know what the wording is but I think it implies that it's going to be Keeping this conversation for its own purposes for machine learning So I think just providing the transcript to the user is Is below that level of expectation. I think whatever the The way it's presented as long as people have an understanding that this might be Recorded somehow I think it's fine. You know, I think it also starts to be a little ridiculous to say Look, I called someone to talk to them, but I didn't expect them to remember what I said I don't want to have to be beholden to to to my own words like come on I think also I mean the nice thing about this feature that you know It's going to come in handy for a lot of people is being able to screen out just spam calls Sure, there are going to be some legitimate people who you look at the transcript and you go Oh, yeah, it was that person. Let me call them back But most of the time this is screening out stuff that you never wanted to answer in the first place True Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes That can keep you up to date if you miss a dts. You don't have to miss out on the news. Check out daily tech headlines dot com So for many years companies have tried it out devices that could turn surfaces into input devices Usually they were projecting something that one of the the more common ones I remember over the years was devices that would project a keyboard onto a desk And then as you blocked the light, it would be able to tell which keys you were trying to tap They worked with varying effectiveness tech arts reports that a london startup named hyper surfaces is the latest to try this But they're taking it a lot farther their device uses machine learning and vibration sensors to recognize The inputs that you're having on pretty much anything So the vibrations that are caused by you tapping a location on a surface can be learned Once trained The algorithm then can run on a local system on a chip for instant gesture recognition You might need the cloud to train it but once it's trained you don't need the cloud anymore So that makes it fast that makes it cheap and that makes it local Not a privacy issue a kitchen table could control your smart lights You can when you sit down for dinner, you can just tap the table turns on the lights The floor could detect intruders By figuring out like the patterns of walking of you and your cats But not, you know, if they don't recognize it sound the alarm the biggest Interested party in this is the auto industry and the the video demo that hyper surfaces provides shows a car Where you can tap on the inside of the glass or the outside of the glass and it can tell Whether you're tapping on the inside or the outside you can tap on the side of the door You can put a magazine in the little compartment and it'll know something went in there And the auto industry is very interested in Using that to improve the control system in cars But I mean I feel like we could probably come up with all kinds of things this could work for and It is the sort of thing that could really change how we interact with stuff And and the composition of stuff when it doesn't you don't have to have a keyboard And you don't have to even have a touchscreen anymore necessarily I think we need to to specify this doesn't work I mean, I don't know that it doesn't but it doesn't seem to work To be able to distinguish things that are so close that you would be able to use it as a keyboard At least in the demo they're showing The tabs are yeah, maybe yeah five inches six inches apart at least Um But aside from that. Oh, also, it's not like you can't Touchscreen like slide on a surface and it will recognize that you're, you know, slightly both great questions I don't know that it couldn't do that. It may just not be good enough yet or they'd be showing it. I think Yeah, that's that's true. But the way they're showing it is already really interesting There are many examples of things that it could be used for The one with the car door Uh, isn't just, you know tapping on one portion of the car door. It's also things like Opening or pulling on the, uh, door Oh, how do you call that thing? The handle or releasing it and things like that it it feels like this technology if it works as advertised kind of Digitizes interactions you have with your environment You know, there's a cost question efficiency question, but it the the having Sensors that detect where you touch what in pretty much anything with a very limited number of sensors could have incredible amounts of Uses so In the car, I think it's one of the first first things we think about but That there could be many of them the one caveat I have is if you do the thing on the kitchen table How many times will it activate by mistake? I I I literally as you were saying that thought of a way to handle that Okay, uh, and I'm stealing it from the apple watch. You know how the apple watch gives you a notification by a vibration in your wrist And it tries to change the vibrations based on what kind of notification it's sending you What if just tapping doesn't turn on the lights? You tap a certain pattern So, you know a Pattern turns on the lights now like Morse code for yeah, yeah Yeah, just like that. Uh, that that will turn on the lights at some you're less likely to do by accident Right, you know what that sounds like when you're describing it like this It sounds like uh that technology in the 70s where you're clapped you would clap your hands and your lights would come on Yeah, that's the clapper. Yeah, I mean the smart the smart home in many ways. I mean, it's it's It's not unlike that that was just something that was before it's tired Did I kill it? Did I just kill this company? I'm sorry. I have to tap off It's the tapper Um, I I I I've been trying to think about okay What would be the I don't know something some sort of an object that I you know Was at my desk is it you know the kitchen tables at a floor something that I interact with if I just had to choose Okay, what's the most convenient? You know Thing that's in my house that I would want to incorporate into this Well, and also okay while you're thinking of that remember it can also be another situation So I actually uh tech crunch article suggested this. What if you had Uh wood cases now for for electronic devices You just tap on them So you so you so get get rid of all those buttons man apple will love this They don't need any more buttons because you can just tap on the side To do whatever it is you need to do that a button would have done before I I think that would be possible now already with one or two buttons Uh, but maybe not I I think you know the the thing that's happening with these this kind of technology Is that we're always thinking about it in terms of what we already know and I think if it works as advertised It's it's transformative enough that it will spring Different unexpected kinds of uses and that's the most exciting thing right? Um There's a developer out there right now who was trying to figure out how to solve something that hears about this and says Wait, that would solve my problem And it's it's a product that none of us had ever thought of before and everybody was telling him Maybe wouldn't work until this came along. You know that you know, that's the case Have you found the example of the thing you would love to use it for sarah? No, and I keep thinking no A lot of a lot of this stuff is exactly what you said It's it seems like oh do I really need it and then you have it and you're like, oh my gosh I can't believe I ever lived without my echo or you know, whatever it is. So Uh, yeah, I I've been racking my brain thinking what would be the best place for something like this to be incorporated and I don't know Maybe the kitchen table somewhere that I go every day So let's think a little bit wider um with something like this your home could have could know where everyone is in the house and what You know, which member of the family is where and couple this with a little bit of of a Intelligence assistant it can set up the house Without you having to worry about it. Like if you're walking from your room to your bathroom, it can light up the The the the whole way Without you having to put in these creepy cameras that are going to be watching you all the time This is the same thing but much much more discreet because it's a couple of sensors in the in the floor And it's simpler. There's other ways to do it too. You could track a phone signal or a watch signal But here it's like if you're not wearing your watch still works, right? It just works all the time because it's based on you Not something you carry or something. It's trying to observe Through a camera. That's a good. That's a good example It's easy for me to sort of chuckle and be like, well, I wish I lived in a house big enough Where I like wondered where the other people in my family were However, when I think about this It realistically even in the relatively small apartment I live in it would be nice to know what room my dog is in if I You know, I had an easy way to do that So, all right Even for the little peasants like me We can make use of the smartphone and would also like to have the floor eliminated when I walked to the bathroom all The night Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit You could submit stories and you can vote on other stories submitted by your peers at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We're also on facebook check us out hang out leave a note Interact facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show We want to hear from you feedback at daily tech news show dot com And then it goes in the mail bag and then sarah reads it like this Correct. Dallin from the smoky hills of tennessee. Dare I say Dallin might be a cow person Before sending this email Dallin says I double checked my patreon pledge and was astonished to find my patronage of dtns Was a wall not sure what happened But i'm glad I checked because now it's back in action. Thanks for the effort to make the world better all that's nice When you discuss the Movidius neural compute stick a few days ago You asked for input from developers who are using it the project I'm using it with is a mobile iot application We need machine learning that can move and interact with the world Not at liberty to discuss the specifics of the project But imagine a drone that could adapt in real time as it interacts with its surroundings The narrow physical dimensions of the device make it perfect for developing mobile iot projects And then he can use the hypersurface technology that he has trained locally with this Movidius stick to be able to Like sense the vibrations around him in the air with the drone Yes, correct. Okay. Uh, thank you. Dallin. I don't know how you get those cows up there on those smoky hills, but we appreciate it Hey Tron, on Tuesdays discussion about apple cutting production numbers said Forecasting is tough tim cook comes from the supply chain side of things and knows what he's doing naturally in that regard He doesn't have a marketing or sales background and that sometimes shows overall. It's not bad It's just something to factor in cutting orders from a record high Still puts their sales up at very high numbers compared to a year ago to someone untrained It might look like trouble when in reality tim might be just correcting course before it becomes a problem for apple If this all means financial trouble for apple, then they'd need to provide guidance to investors Which hasn't happened yet? So the concern seems to be premature from what I can see apple is doing the right thing Even if undamed suppliers are complaining privately to the wall street journal And Mr. Robert young always says consider who benefits from this leak Might tell you something Completely agree, but we've been hearing about 30 percent as you discussed last time 30 percent is always I think legitimate to be to be concerned about but Yeah, maybe not Well, thanks, Talon. Thanks natron and thanks to Patrick Beja for being with us on this wonderful tuesday the tuesday before thanksgiving in the us Patrick besides hopefully having some sort of a thanksgiving feast on your side of the world. What's new? Every day is a Thanksgiving feast in my house. So yes, I will Wasn't that nice for you? 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I forgot about that song. Yeah, that's a deep cut. Who's saying that one? I don't even remember There's uh look ma. Oh um titles look ma no passwords That's cute That's good. I feel like that that sounds kind of familiar. That's all Uh val pulls the plug on steam or the out of steam from fred Then There's a lot of good good uh suggestions buttons all the way down We're the absence of yeah, no more buttons. No more buttons. That's a good one. All right, we'll do that Yeah All right Now that we all pulled together and found the title i'm gonna retire No more You're so much life in your career left Don't retire just yet It's okay. I'll i'm retired. You know, this is a way to uh generate interest in the press. Yeah, jayce's done it Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, it's good. It's good. Yeah, spread the word magic vision has retired and then triumph Sleep tight sleep tight We should really figure out some finish Uh, goodbye phrases You're finished. I'll say what are you trying to say? I don't oh that's supposed to be finished Your finished is just good. That's like Yeah, good good good finished tom Halfway there already uh hivasti Is that is that a is that a goodbye? Hivasti hivasti That's good. Oh, okay. Well, let's say that next week. Let's let's surprise him. You totally won't forget Yeah, no, this is something we'll definitely be really prepared for after a holiday weekend Yep, there's something similar to uh, we'll lend itself well I am so I don't know about you guys but um My thanksgiving we're doing sort of a it's like a family friend mishmash Uh-huh. Um Which is always fun, you know, my mom is she's actually coming into town today later on And then you know some friends of mine are in town, but um We're eating early. You know, it's it's it's the old school Thanksgiving. We're eating it like three Wait, that's three. Wow Well, I when I was a kid Thanksgiving dinner was early. Yeah for for us too Yeah, and then it kind of got later over the years and then it kind of became like well It depends on who you're with and whatever Um, and I'm not with like a big extended family that uh, you know, was the same group of folks that it was like when I was younger, but Yeah, my friend Thanksgiving like at seven, right? Right. Yeah around noon Yeah, we it was always because there's a football game on and so you'd kind of wait for the football game to wrap up And then like, you know get some of the family members off the couch and then yeah Start central time till noon. So you did definitely didn't wait for them to wrap up Oh, I guess not But it was always it was like we were sitting down to dinner when it was like still really light outside That was always how it was So anyway, I mentioned this because a friend of mine who's hosting me and a few other people Is having dinner at three and I'm like nice because you know what happens is you go overboard And by 7 p.m. You've already had a nap Right And you know, it's like you're feeling good and then you can go back into maybe a little leftovers Right, a little turkey sandwich. Yeah, go back. Maybe for around four. Yeah A little more pie I just bought the largest pumpkin pie Was it from casca? No from roffs. Is it how is it like Don't pies kind of max out at a certain No, the ones at casco or like a get three or like Really? Yeah, this is pizza pie size Oh nice Designed to feed giants Or people who just like pumpkin pie a lot A lot of pumpkin Yeah, we went to Ralph's and it was busy Definitely busy, but it wasn't Crazy, yeah I I heard people like yeah, I don't want to come away till you come in tomorrow But the the checker that the check this out said she's like, oh, yeah, it's been it's been pretty busy since sunday Like that's when it started to pick up Yeah, I am my local store I actually As much as I've used like their salad bar and their vitamin section and I don't really know what their bakery is Like I've really checked it out, but I suspect they probably have pretty good pies Assuming that I'm not gonna just throw it all together and make a pie by Tim Pams, which I Immediately regretted when I got home because I will want to eat them because they're Tim Tim's And they're delicious, but I couldn't resist. I'm like they have Tim Tams here. That's amazing. I'm buying They have him a target. Oh, are they at grouse now? Yeah I'll have to look at that probably a bad news for me Exactly Right because as soon as I got home, we're unloading. I put the tin and like really are they even cookies. They're more like giant twigs Yeah, they're twigs They're essentially like a maybe that's why we are so fascinated with them in the u.s Because they're essentially a big cookie-sized bag of twigs Well, that sounds pretty good. Hey I don't know that I've had them. I know what they are I'm not sure I've ever had them now. Oh, you've had them because I brought them to your house Yeah, and I watched you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like those. That's right I get Tim Tams confused with There's another I don't know international treat That I I'm Getting the mixture. I don't know. I don't I don't eat a lot of sweets. That's when Tom brings them to my house Then I eat them I don't remember what flavor I brought when I They Yeah, they I remember them being very twix like twix is that's a that's a good candy bar I always enjoy a good twix me too. Yeah for all of the poo poo and I do about a kitkat. I do like a twix I like the old-style kit a kit kit cat. So what's that? Don't melt in your hand when you touch it Well, you mean the real kitkats like you get in canada or everywhere else that are made by nestly rather than ones here Which are made of horrible chocolate? Well, they used to be made like the ones overseas Like during the 90s like someone bought a giant plant of cocoa powder Said to make it a candy bar. I don't think it's so much the cocoa powder as it is the Uh, the the sugar They use they don't use sugar. They use corn syrup I think that makes them melty or two So kitkats are made by nestly outside of the u.s. But not in the u.s. Yeah, huh? It's licensed How about that license to melt The the kitkat james bond story licensed to melt I mean I can see I mean corn syrup is so much cheaper and it mixes well because it's a liquid Yeah, but it's just not good for candy It doesn't taste good That's my problem It tastes like the sweet part of the corn well Yeah, and that's it is sweet. I remember my dad bringing us Uh high fructose corn syrup home from work and having us taste test it and we're like, yeah, it tastes like tastes great sweet They um, I know they sell corn syrup in the supermarket, but I don't know if it's high fructose. I assume it Good question. I've never looked For all your baking Can't see the video I just hear oh Where where you don't see my video. No, it's hidden behind all the stuff that I was just opening up my I don't know why my my desk is very loud today. Sorry about that Maybe it's me. Maybe my my hearing got better or something. Well because So then here's the thing is like, okay, so there was funny yesterday. Um We were trying to pinpoint like where the sound of those kids It was kids outside of my house, but but yeah, it's at my old apartment There would be times where it'd be like leaf blowers and the garbage man and screaming Yeah, crazy people and I'd be like, is that can you guys hear that and you'd be like, no can't hear a thing So I got used to just being like whatever I can hear no one can hear it Yeah, but apparently now you can I don't know. I don't know. I mean I Yes, I'm I mean, I'm technically near a window But but I was like I did rustle around on my desk a little earlier and you were like I can hear that so I'm like, well, I don't know. I mean the mic set up the way it usually is but Maybe it just got more sensitive. Well and with this earpiece that I use I usually don't hear much unless it's really audible You know, because it's not like I have a big old set of headphones where I'm getting Same audio fidelity. So I figure if I can hear it. It must it must really be there Well, I mean, it's good to know It's good to know when there's What else did I've also bought? Uh Really really good for like making sandwiches and stuff. Oh like to use like as jam. Yeah. Yeah Um, okay Next question. Yeah, I know the difference between jam and jelly at least consistency wise What are preserves? Good that is a good question because preserves are typically the whole fruit as as all the edible parts of the fruit Right, and then it's not necessarily the fruit is whole but the whole fruit's in there Yeah, and then because what you're doing is you're trying to preserve the fruit as opposed to like Jam and jelly. There's a difference. I think Jam has some fruit in it, but jelly is just a fruit juice that you had pectin to to make But I mean we used to make jam. Well, we my mom used to make jam When I was a kid and I mean, I don't think Blackberry jam for example was the whole fruit But maybe she was making preserves the whole time. Yeah, she's making preserves I wonder like you can use the name somewhat interchangeably to people do but the I where I went up to um What's that city past San Rafael? But anyways, we we went uh christmas tree hunting with, you know, Yeah, it's a festival to look up It's passed a lot of place. Yeah. Oh no, I just think it would have dried Elaine's birth land What's next with sander fell sabastopol? No, no, no, no, you're like 45 miles out a lot of the way There's like a little When he does like, I don't know it's up there, you know past sander fell. Yeah north of it No, in fact, in fact, I I know about this because you guys used to go to the apple ranch Well, we go with the apple ranch. It's called the twin hill ranch Not 30 more that's the Well, it yeah, I know it's it's very sad. I actually that apple pies ever They had the best apple juice and it's like when I'm talking apple juice. I'm not talking martin ellies I'm talking unfiltered Yeah, it's it's you know, and it comes in a big plastic gala jug and we would freeze them um, you know, because there was just my whole life was apples um, and Then when you'd unfreeze it like halfway through the unfrozen process in the fridge They shake it and so then you'd have like this icicle laden apple juice Like an icy but healthy. It was just so good. Oh gosh. I wish I had that right now. Mm-hmm. That sounds so good right now So so good Well, we're gonna leave the video viewers with that Uh image in their minds. Thanks for watching Uh patreon subscribers listening to audio whether it's on discord or through good day internet feed and stick around There's more to come