 Very exciting, but the cool thing about Sheridan was you could have visually confirmed his side All right. All right good good. So I think you can safely then say that that that part existed Which is good to know, but I wonder what it really What's the difference then the difference is the ability for you to delete his messages. No, but I oh Wait, did you can you can he sends you a message in a chat? You can now delete his message from his inbox And if you just did that it may be because both of you are up dated to 5.5 Hmm. I know I've deleted things other people have sent like whatever somebody sends me Yeah, you don't need it from your own view. Yeah, no, I'm okay. So I'm on 4.9.9 Okay, I deleted one of his But it should not have disappeared from his side. Yeah, so this is Elsa's messages Yeah, that's the that's the key part of this story. That's That's that's okay, then I definitely didn't understand I'm glad we went through this exercise Not the sender way to explain TV channels to you That TV the TV presentation was not very good in my opinion You know, I feel like it left a lot of people confused. Can I read line three line three? Oh, yeah, of course Let me actually add a add a person I will not try not to add anyone Incredibly difficult to pronounce When does that get read right after? First thing that gets ready. Thanks. So you go you count me in. Yeah, exactly God, I thought it was so funny Sarah when Tom counted you in but he explained to you what being counted in was first right You're Something like I know how to do this if if I could pay more as a patron to have a show of you mocking Tom I would That's me like We've done this before you you kept going No, it's my who's a I will count you in mm-hmm. Yep. Yep So we do I'll go three two But there are different ways to do it and I wanted to make sure that we were agreed whether the one or the was gonna be centered on well, I mean It's it's it in practice if you're an old-school person, you never say the one It's three two feet and then go but the problem is is of course and you shouldn't assume It's just that we've done it like 50 times already one. I know I couldn't remember I was deserving of being mocked. I'm not trying to say that I Would never mock over something like a countdown. No, but you will bring up the metric system. I know it Well, the metric system should just be a ball That's not mocking you that was just common human sense. I Bet people in Alaska It's time to do the show and I can't So Allison what I'm gonna do is You know I'm gonna screw it up now, right the only important part is I'm not gonna say one that's all That's all you need to know. So I'm you have to fill the one in on your own. All right. Here we go ready Ready three two Susanna Rankenberg has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Susanna become a DTNs member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the daily tech news for Monday March 25th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane And from five feet productions in another part of LA. This is Allison Sheridan and From LA County. I'm the show's producer Roger Shane. Yeah, we get it. We're all from Los Angeles Important for us to discern that we're in different parts of LA Hey, but hey, we have all the Apple announcements to get to today and there were quite a few of them They took more than 90 minutes to say we'll take less time to explain them. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Motherboard reported that Kaspersky labs found malicious actors had compromised a server for a software update tool from ASUS Causing it to install a malicious backdoor to thousands of computers over five months back in 2018 the file dubbed shadow hammer appeared as a signed update from ASUS and Researchers estimate it hit roughly 500,000 machines the malware would look for a particular Mac address and then call back to a fake ASUS Support site to download a second stage backdoor Sources tell Bloomberg that uber will announce its acquisition of Dubai based ride hailing service Kareem Networks FZ Uber reportedly paying of 1.4 billion in cash plus an additional 1.7 billion in notes that can be converted to uber shares a Kareem operates in 90 cities across 15 countries offering food and package deliveries bus services and scheduled rides has more than a million drivers And is valued at around a billion dollars as of its last funding round in 2016 Sources also tell Bloomberg that YouTube has canceled plans for high-end dramas and comedies as part of a pullback from paid Originals true mean content the shift will mean that all content on YouTube will eventually stream for free with ad support Although release strategies for existing content is still Undetermined now we've got a couple of more stories before we get to the Apple stuff first Second measure which is a company that analyzes anonymized debit and credit card purchases for trends Estimates that US consumers spent more money on Airbnb last year than they did on Hilton owned brands That would make Airbnb the second largest lodging seller in the United States second to Marriott Which of course a couple years ago gobbled up Starwood, so they're pretty big Airbnb has been adding hotel bookings in partnership with boutique hotels as well as through its acquisition of hotel tonight So it's not just Airbnb the way you think of it There's also traditional hotel bookings in that number second measures data collection. However, it does not represent people traveling from abroad or people that use corporate cards So those numbers would be different if you include work Although there's some corporate cards and people from traveling abroad using Airbnb So it'd be interesting to see how that changed But nonetheless, it's a milestone that Airbnb just just becoming a lodging seller not not a a newbie disruptor Yeah, you know Airbnb and I've been a enthusiastic user since its early days used to be a well, you know, I don't always need to stay in a hotel I don't really want that expensive room service. Nice to have a kitchen. Nice to feel like I'm in someone's home Airbnb is a completely different company now. And yeah, so it's not as if you don't like the hotel experience And that's why you're using Airbnb or at least That is what it's pushing less and less I wonder how hotels that continue to see Airbnb Especially with the acquisition of hotel tonight encroaching on on their brand as offering more perks to people in order to compete better Allison, I know you travel a lot. Do you find yourself using Airbnb at all or more? I definitely do I kind of vacillate around between a couple of those types of products, you know home away and Oh, what are the other ones? Yeah, VRBO is seeming to come on pretty strong now I tend to be a hotel person in general, but just just used I think it was VRBO to book a trip to Canada to Stan a lake and I was unable to find what I wanted on Airbnb Home away owns VRBO I would have thought it was the other way around and Expedia owns them both Where Expedia fits in the list of the top three No, that's interesting Telegram version 5.5 has added the ability for users to delete any messages in one-on-one or group chats Even if they were not the sender this would affect all threads and inboxes the messages were sent to though It doesn't affect notifications It also doesn't affect users of telegram prior to version 5.5 Telegram founder Pavel Dorov says this was needed to allow users to delete communication that could be taken out of context years later and provide complete Control now call me crazy, but I might argue that taking Taking something out of a conversation might also confuse context and change it somewhat years later But I get where they're going with this. Yeah, that does seem weird Now I did some experiments with Steven gets to make sure I understood exactly what was changing here because I'm a big telegram user and You can type something and then say oh, I want to delete that and one of your options says delete for you And the other person and it does indeed disappear from the other person side But you can also delete something they wrote in prior to this new version version 5.5 You could delete something they wrote, but it only disappears for you So the big difference is and Facebook Messenger has worked in the past too. Yes, but this is disappearing their stuff Yeah, no one Unsend is something that a lot of other messaging apps have done No one has allowed you to delete a message You didn't send from someone else's inbox and that is a particularly controversial Move I know Dorado saying this this gives you complete control, but it gives you complete control of over things other people said And there's no notification here that says you deleted it There's no little space that says oh message was deleted. So you you could use this for nefarious purpose Yeah, I'm with Sarah. This sounds like it could very likely change and make the conversation You had looked completely different from what actually happened Wait to send me a message Sarah. When did you start robbing banks and I'd say I never robbed a bank and you go delete It's like ha ha ha ha ha because I'm talking about something else I mean, you know, you could you could see where this could get complicated quick Anonymous parts suppliers and software developers tell the Wall Street Journal that Nintendo is planning to New switch consoles for later this year one will be targeted at avid video gamers But it's still gonna be less powerful than the ps4 pro or the Xbox one x the other would be a cheaper model That will lose features like vibration and supposedly be marketed as a successor to the Nintendo 3ds The report claims that both these new models of the switch will be announced at e3 and possibly be available in time for the holiday shopping season Hey, yeah, I'm as excited about new switches. See Patrick major. We're here. He'd be super excited. Well, yeah, yeah, I I Don't know anything that's new from Nintendo in time for the holiday season is gonna get people excited And it sounds like some of this will be more affordable options than than what they have now The the one that has me with the most questions actually making a switch that that is a successor to the 3ds sounds risky If you pitch it that way, but I can totally see how they do it One for avid video gamers I'm not sure how you make that pitch if it's not going to be as powerful as the ps4 pro or Xbox one x I don't know what the things you add that make people excited about that are If you're they're not saying hardcore in this kataku report They the Wall Street Journal apparently says avid video gamers But still is it just higher resolution? Is it is it a more powerful processor? Even if it's not quite as powerful a lot of questions there Definitely the kind of thing will wait till e3 to really evaluate But intriguing that Nintendo would do spin-offs because they they generally are exempt from that They generally don't do like ps4 slim or ps4 pro kind of stuff That both Microsoft and Sony often do but they people love those switch consoles. So having more different ones That's awesome. Yeah. Hey folks if you want to get all tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines comm All right, we are going to talk about the Apple announcements But we are not going to talk about them in the order that they announced them We're gonna start with the TV stuff because that's got the most to say about it They announced two things one an upgrade to the TV app Which is right now available on iOS and TV OS on your Apple TV? The first of all is going to come to the Mac this autumn. That's big It's also going to come to smart TVs So all those announcements we kept hearing about smart TVs getting airplay was probably laying the groundwork for the TV app to Show up on Samsung LG, Sony, Vizio, Roku And fire TV so Roku makes operating systems for TVs But it apparently will come to the Roku box as well as to the fire TV box So this is a big deal Apple TV app is going cross-platform in the television app world They are not coming to Android TV. They are not coming to Android at least not at this time the other Additions to the TV app will be something called Apple TV channels That's the ability to subscribe to services like CBS all-access stars showtime and HBO Within the TV app and without having to leave the TV app to go watch them right now If I'm in the TV app and it says hey, there's a there's a new episode of true detective I click that it will launch the HBO app and then when I'm done watching I'll be in the HBO app what this will do is say when I'm ready to watch true detective or Star Trek Discovery or Outlander at Lander those will all stay in the TV app when I watch them and then when I'm done I'll still be in the TV app. They're also doing some cool things like adding a machine learning recommended Strip to the Apple TV app called for you. That'll be a better at recommending things than the TV app is now There's a bunch of new stuff in the kids tab As well, but again all of this coming in May Allison How do you feel about this part of the TV announcement? So there were a couple of things that I noted that I wasn't sure were true before not but they emphasized So I thought maybe they weren't true before they made a point of saying that these things are available online and offline Yeah, so when you subscribe to channels those will be available offline and apparently That that has existed on these apps before but you'll be able to download them from the TV app instead of for instance We haven't go into the stars app and downloading counterpart from the stars app I'll have them all together in the TV app and I think it's really interesting that they're expanding across all of these different platforms But I didn't see a big giant bunch of expansion of the services. I could watch on there I'm still I've got you know HBO and CBS all access and whenever Star Trek's not on CBS X all access is gone So I'm like, yeah, it's really cool I get a little notification from the TV app telling me when the next version next episode of discovery came out And it actually does help me go remember to go watch it But I there's just there's just not enough content there for me yet. I want to love it I truly do when I was hearing the announcement of how this all works and And looking at the visuals. I immediately was like, oh, so it's what I do mostly in my Plex app Which is an an app that I launch on on my Apple TV all the time it's just with an Apple TV itself and It's kind of stripping out apps that you're going into individually just a little bit more and attempting to Consolidate them in a way that seems sort of smart and learning more about your habits over time But yeah, I think the real takeaways for me were being able to watch Apple TV content on another device, you know, I know a lot of Roku users You're like, I don't want an Apple TV device, but you know, now you don't need one Now you have more options as far as the way that they're they're organizing their channels it didn't seem too Much like they've reinvented their own wheel, but it did remind me a lot of plex Well, it was one of the thing was it said a hundred plus countries And I know we had people from all over the country in my chat room this morning And they are all over the world I should say and I don't know that that was true before I think it was something like 30 where the team work before so yeah, it'll be available in a lot more places Honestly, you know the two big things for some I use the TV app on the Apple TV a lot Because it has Hulu in it And it has sports in it and I subscribe to PlayStation view So a lot of times I have what I now watch sports More regularly than I used to because it'll tell me hey the Alina basketball teams playing right now I'll be like, oh, you know what I got nothing going on. I'll pop that on the TV So I think this will expose a lot more people to it because you can now do that on a Roku You can now do that on a Samsung TV and The the other thing they announced though that we should get to is the Apple TV plus originals Now all these were leaked before amazing stories from Steven Spielberg the morning show a comedy from Jennifer Aniston Reese Witherspoon also starring Steve Carell sci-fi thing about everyone on earth being blind starring Jason Momoa and Alfred Woodward Woodard little America with Camille Nandjani Helpsters a Sesame Street show about teaching kids to code little voice from JJ Abrams with music by Sara Bareilles and Oprah Winfrey Coming out talking about doing two documentaries as well as a book club somehow through this This will be an ad-free subscription service with all of your shows available offline new releases every month They promise whenever it comes and it's not come until autumn Although it is also coming to a hundred plus countries and we don't know how much it's gonna cost right Yeah, they'd very obviously stayed away from that so much so many celebrities on stage It was a little clunky. I'm sure they all practice and everything but it was it was in Interesting 20 minutes or so of the presentation Somebody on Twitter had said something like well, that's an interesting green room in the back at this particular Apple event Yeah, but yeah, I mean there was a lot of I'm a celebrity. I've got this new show Let me explain a little bit about it for the morning show for example I've mentioned on the show before my big Jennifer Aniston fan and I was interested to see what she and Reese Witherspoon were up to I didn't even really get a sense of is this a scripted show Is it like a something that's gonna compete with the today's show on NBC? I was a drama. She did okay Yeah, eventually I must have missed that but I I felt like The trailer that kind of gave us a tiny sneak peek at at some scenes from a lot of these shows Was more information that I got from most of the folks that were actually on Well, and that's usually the case So it was a little weird that they did the they did the upfront bring the celebrities out Had them talk for a long time without showing their clip and then all the clips at the end I honestly the TV the TV announcement is not bad These these are good incremental update dates But it's far from what they needed to do to set the world on its ear simplified billing, you know channels More channels inside it would have been would have been it this this falls a little short of the oh my gosh I'm going to have to switch to this especially because these TV plus originals Which are one of the big attractions aren't even coming till autumn and you don't know how much you have to pay for them They're not going to be bundled as part of this service All right, I'm excited by the next announcement actually the Apple news plus Subscription service was a lot more fully formed. It adds mostly magazines They focused a lot of magazines and photography to the Apple news app in a news plus tab that you pay 999 a month for more than 300 magazines the New Yorker Esquire the Atlantic National Geo men's health vogue They also are going to have some content from the cut the skim tech crunch LA times and vulture As well as the Wall Street Journal now CNN's Brian Stelter tweeted that the Wall Street Journal internal memo says that Apple's news plus users Will only get a curated collection. They won't get everything. That's So you're not going to be able to use this login to get into your Wall Street Journal account You're not going to get everything you would get from an actual Wall Street Journal subscription But you'll get some and you get family sharing at no extra charge Coming today in an iOS update your first month is free available in the US and Canada and in Canada There'll be a French language version. They only have 30 magazines not 300 But they will have the star in Canada coming to Australia and the UK and in 2019 and Eventually come into Europe though. We don't know when The a couple of things in there that was interesting to me was family sharing They really emphasize that 999 that's part of your family sharing too. So that's that kind of increases the value I was curious because the Wall Street Journal is 300 bucks a year and you're going to spend 120 bucks a year for this to get the Wall Street Journal plus all the other stuff It's kind of sad that they didn't say that it was a curated part of Wall Street Journal It sounds like it's it's the lion's share of Wall Street Journal content I notice the business reporting is is left out of this at least as it's defined today Wait business reporting is not in it Correct You're probably gonna get the front page news is my guess right things that are in the business section You know, I'm with you Allison You know when you're when you're doing the math It's like okay if you consume a lot of news and you and you you don't mind pain for good news Then this would seem like it's gonna save you some money at the same time as we consume news for DTNS and probably more than the average person But I think a lot of our audience is on our level as far as consuming news It's it's possible to get real good news from a variety of sources for less than ten dollars a month So it's it's sort of I'd be curious to see what kind of Subscription Usership they end up with I always workarounds for this sort of thing I use scientific Americans app to access my scientific American magazine subscription about half the time I read the print version and then when I don't have the print version with me I'll read on my phone because my phone's with me So I get the magazine aspect of this and if scientific American is in here, which I haven't seen I might consider switching to this although it wouldn't get me access to the Siam website So again, it's kind of like the Wall Street Journal like do I really want for this one thing to switch to this? Although if it's compelling enough and I get these other things in here Maybe this this reminds me of the early versions of iTunes and and the TV store on iTunes where they don't have a lot in it now But if they can get enough momentum behind it They can convince other publishers to join and then this could be a very compelling service So Barbershots brought up an interesting point they emphasize that the LA Times was going to be in News Apple news plus and the LA Times is one of those companies that said yeah that GDP are thing. That's too hard We're cutting off Europe so you can't get the LA Times in Europe and they're going to be having Apple news plus in Europe in the fall. I know Tribune publications cut off Europe I was not aware that LA Times which used to be a Tribune or Tronk publication was still doing that They're not I'm testing Bart on that But I'm pretty sure right on that time. He probably looked at it recently. Yeah Yeah, the other thing I didn't want us to miss out on is I thought the covers of the magazines looked really cool That was very Harry Potter newspaper Ask where they like they have the National Geographic picture and it was moving I thought that was really nifty Well, and that's another part of this that's going to appeal to not everybody But some folks the same way that I never paid for flipboard on my iPad But for a long time, that's how I was reading everything because I liked the experience I liked the way it looked I liked the gestures and and it kind of grabbed me for for some time So if the if the news plus app gives people of you know A little a little flair on their otherwise to grab business news readings then, you know, there's something to that as well couple other Apple announcements came in as well Apple card which we were expecting backed by Goldman Sachs and on the Mastercard Network We'll give you 3% cashback on Apple purchases 2% cashback on everything else if you're using your phone to buy it and 1% cashback if you use a physical card that Apple will provide It'll be a useful worldwide. Well because it's Mastercard You can use your phone anywhere that Apple pay is otherwise you got to use that that physical card your wallet Apple show your balance your payment do some budgeting features They'll even use some machine language to make it easier to tell what's actually on your bill The more compelling stuff I think is no late fees no annual fees no international fees no over limit fees And if you can't pay back your credit card balance, you can pay multiple times a month in smaller amounts they promise not to sell any of your data third parties for marketing and That physical card will be made of titanium with your name etched by a laser It also because you have all your numbers on your phone Won't have your card number your CVV code your expertise your expiration date or need your signature on the physical card That's all kept in your app. So you don't need to have that that way if somebody steals your card They won't get your number It's available this summer in the US Also, they announced the Apple pay is gonna start working with transit systems in Portland Chicago in New York City So it's funny the stuff that you glossed over and then said the stuff you thought was really important I actually saw it the other way around to me one of the most exciting things of course was 3% back on Apple purchases. That's gonna save me like $400,000 a year. So I'm looking forward to that, right? But but the thing where they showed the cryptic code you normally see on your credit card bill and you're sitting there trying to figure out Who the heck was that? I'm sure I didn't spend that money. I've been hacked and then you have to go Patient reminder. Yeah So this this is gonna take that secret code and and the address that was on file for the company You spend it for show it to you on a map with the logo of the company that you bought it from I mean that is that is fantastic. I'm you know, it's it's nice that you're more responsible for the rest of us And you never risk late fees, but I'm still no late fees. No over limit fees. That's huge for most people Yeah, I I feel like a lot of the stuff is like it's very compelling to use the system as much as possible Except and I may be the exception here because I know a lot of people were like, oh, this card is so sexy And I'm like, I don't want a titanium card sounds heavy but I also know that there are certain places where you're going to need a physical card because Apple pay is not going to be available. So I see where Apple has covered all its bases here Yeah So the card is just for taking out at parties and showing people how awesome you are Because you don't really want to use it because you only Are you if everyone else can have one is it really like some first thing first mean first, okay And actually I was really mad when American Express changed to a metal card because it was heavy But titanium is actually very light. It has very high strength Strength the weight ratio. So I'm in a fan of the titanium. So you can't cut up your card. Oh Can if you're strong, well, but it has a high strength to weight ratio It's very difficult to break you can bend it, but it's hard to Yeah, you can fold it in half, but you can't probably can't that'll be the new party track Yeah, but did you cut up your card? How strong are you? Exactly, but I I was Weirdly enough. I was most excited about the apple credit card. I thought that Everything about that was wonderful. Oh, one of the things they showed when they were talking about Making extra payments during the month and stuff was that you could turn a little dial And you could see what the impact of how much you paid was over time Right and and that we didn't even say I don't think the cash back is daily like you spend a dollar you get Oh, right. No, that's a really good point. I did skip over that. It's daily cash back So it goes right into your apple pay cash, which looks like they're just going to rename to apple cash Uh in your wallet So if you're not in the apple ecosystem, you don't know what that is But in the wallet there's there's the ability to send cash to people through the messaging app And it's stored in this little apple pay cash card in your wallet And so if you have this credit card your cash back will immediately go in there at the end of the day Which is pretty cool. And actually even if you're in the apple Ecosystem understanding apple pay cash is very very difficult. I spent 20 minutes on the phone with a rep from apple Having them try to explain to me how it worked because I was changing banks That fed in and out of it and she was laughing at her own description trying to make sense All right, let's get to the last announcement apple arcade Apple is backing developers to make exclusive games for the app store They described it as being a counterweight to all the free to play in-app purchase driven games You'll be able to download and play any of these arcade games Whatever you want whenever you want offline They don't require online to play on your iphone your ipad your mac and your apple tv They will not collect data on you You'll get family sharing at no extra charge and they intend to launch this autumn with 100 plus new games in 150 plus countries With pricing and details to come So family sharing again mac Across the board on all of this stuff. They're like all of these services now I think this is going to be going forward if you pay For one account you get family sharing on top of it at least for the new stuff I was glad they didn't say family sharing on apple card though. That was That is that is a fair question because some people like to have like eileen And I always have a copy of each other's credit cards Uh, it would be nice to be able to do that. I think As an I would think it would be nice to be on your credit card too Yeah She's married to me. That's a whole different situation Uh, hey, apple arcade, uh, we we may get some thoughts from patrick bezia about this tomorrow But a really interesting sort of indie focused way of going about mobile gaming Uh, I wouldn't even say casual gaming because there there's some pretty sophisticated titles in here But but it's certainly not in competition with the playstation or the xbox Hey, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Nate Langston is back with us to share a preview on legal changes to allow electric scooter rentals in the uk Thanks guys now I know some of you listening love those electric scooters from the likes of lime and bird and some of you hate them But did you know they're illegal in britain because of a law written in 1835 that's still in force today And in fact was the same law used to ban segway from roads a few years ago We discussed this ridiculous law on text message this week because finally lawmakers here are going to talk about changing it That's right A law written to stop you riding a horse on the sidewalk is finally getting looked at all that plus some gentle mocking of a Different lawmaker who thought every knife in britain should be fitted with gps is out now an episode 162 of text message available at tech podcast dot uk back to you I also learned on that episode of text message That you can bring a sword Into your exams at english university and get a pint of beer However, it is against the rules to bring a sword to your exam. So you'll get kicked out, but you'll get a pint of beer Yeah, depending on the day it might be worth it You're gonna pass that class anyway Thank you, Nate. We always are smarter because of you and thanks to ellison shared in for being with us on apple announcement day Could not have asked for a better Uh Part of our quartet on the show ellison let folks know where to keep up with all of your other work Well, you can always go to podfeed.com and the one thing i've just posted uh yesterday that was really fun Is I did a full lineup of the uh ipads So on one little chart you can see all of the different uh ipad models And make your trade-offs by seeing it all in one spot instead of having to flip through a whole bunch of stuff. So super fun Yeah, you basically uh said the apple store has a chart like this. It's way too confusing Let me make it usable. So i'm really glad you did this. 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That's a great way to do it We're also live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 20 30 utc Join us live if you can and find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live back tomorrow with patrick beige Talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Uh, we were uh, we were moving along at a quick pace there, but I also wanted to mention that you're uh I like your color coding on the ipod Oh Of course people started arguing with me about the color coding like why is no sometimes red sometimes green sometimes it has no color We have to read the article where explain what it means. It all makes sense if you read the article people Well, the person Yeah, and you can't see all those models at the same time you can see any three Which you can't see all four Gotcha Oh man 1.39 pounds should have been white in the text I miss that It's always something All right, so what are we going to call this show here? Uh tom explains counting was pre-show zoe brings bacon. So no that is not going to be Oh, I tried to feed it. I meant to say it during the show when uh opra got out there and she said, uh 10 billion pot 10 billion devices in their pockets y'all Well, she has a point Uh apple tv plus announcements, uh, I like um apple credit give apple some credit. They'll do the same Yeah, that's a good one apple finally shows its card I mean apple tv plus announcements Is it it's not like the funniest one, but it certainly gets the point across tom explains Yeah What's that allison? I do like tom explains counting Call me crazy Uh, no nothing nobody apple plus your wallet. Yeah, that one's good too. I like that one. That's right I like that better than announcements. Yeah, I think announcements kind of gets lost like yeah Yeah, I agree apple plus everywhere right there was plus and everything tv plus What person did your discord allison was very offended by that? Oh, yeah, I think that was frank It was offended by the plus plus Really he did this but yeah, maybe it's hard for him to type on his keyboard. I don't know Yeah, he was vehement that he was tired of the plus we all have our quirks, you know Let's talk about the metric system I think it's awful and it should go away because why would we want an easy way to count things Easier isn't always better. Sometimes you just want to stuff her sometimes you need to work for it That's right. Yeah, how would amazon sell echoes if you didn't have to keep constantly That's hair on your chest, you know, you can't just be some easy little snowflake I was like easy what's something that is used as a derogatory term Not a tough snowflake, right? Well, I see snowflakes Oh man, uh, that was good. Yeah, I didn't know how you're gonna do that That was that I didn't know how you were gonna pull that off. We did it. Oh all the contents Yeah, I'm gonna get a little deeper into apple tv channels and tv Well, mostly tv channels on cord killers today, but I said I said everything I I think It's now it's more just explaining like why I think but this is not as good as I expected or hoped I guess They they didn't push the single billing and the and the and the anti confusion aspect of it They they pushed the anti confusion a little bit by saying don't you want to have all your the shows you watch in one place? So you don't have to go figuring out which app has it, you know And that is a compelling thing about the tv app, but it already was that's not new What's new here is they're selling you things within this app and that it's available cross platform Yeah, and we were talking a little bit about this when we were You know figuring out how we're going to attack the coverage and tom rightly pointed out like a lot of this It's already been going on for some time But I do think that there was a fair amount of confusion maybe not with people who cover apple, you know in the journalist community, but You know the tv app I never used you know, I kind of tried to set it up once and I was like I'm only using four apps anyway on the apple t I'm just going to leave it the way it is and and I didn't really take advantage of why it's cool And and you know give it another try I didn't use it at all until hulu I didn't know who it was in it until you said it It didn't used to be it wasn't there at launch But at some point hulu popped up and then suddenly I was like oh my hulu shows are up there And with hbo stars and hulu it started to become useful as a tracker, right? Like oh, what was the last episode? Oh, it's up there in the the ribbon. Okay, great. Then when playstation view Came in and I was able to say Oh, let me know when my favorite team is playing on a channel that I subscribed to on playstation view Which it does regularly Then I'm like, you know what this is starting to actually work for me. I get it Um, and it tracks viki as well Which is where eileen watches all over chinese and korean dramas, so That's that comes in useful. I took a screenshot when they showed up They showed all the services and hulu is not up there So they're not in the channels They're not selling hulu hulu is in the tv app Okay, so if you've already got hulu and then you want to watch something from hulu in the tv app You can you just don't buy it through the tv app, right? And when you click to watch it, it'll kick you out to the hulu app where the channels that you pay for You stay within the tv app, which is by the way going to confuse the hell out of people Well, especially since I pay for hulu through my itunes subscription, right? Like what the the distinction Is obvious to me because I cover this every day and think about it a lot But most people are going to go wait. Why is hulu showing up in my watch now? But it makes me go into the hulu app But I paid for hbo through the tv and now it shows up in my tv app and I yeah, I don't know How about the fact that hbo is going to be five dollars cheaper Is yeah Wait if you mind how It's ten dollars through this service. I think apple's subsidizing it They're just hanging through through what app through through channels Oh god, am I confused I watched that whole dang thing and I don't even know what you're talking about I don't think that was in the announcement. I think that was in the details So you can buy hulu through the tv app? Because I saw that but I can't find it now. Yeah I'll drop it in the slide So you're saying you you can buy hulu through the channels app? No hbo. We're talking about hbo. Oh hbo. Okay. Okay. All right um hbo star showtime For 999 each That's not half price then It's two-thirds price because it's 15 usually. Yeah Uh, this is not this is pre event. Wall Street Journal sources saying it will be 10 dollars. Okay, which they didn't say They didn't announce, right? Yeah I thought I saw it somewhere else actually but Let's see. Where's my ios update? Oh, yeah, we were supposed to get that today. Why? Oh, no, my apple device has been breached Oh bummer. Yeah, I need to call the support advisor You should do that right away at this toll-free number that starts with a five I didn't think toll-free numbers started with fives. That's so weird What's the country code five? No, it's a area code that starts with five Oh There's some five There's some area code to start with five They're not toll-free. Let's start update a go-go. If ios updates are there. Does that mean uh tvos too Yeah tvos, I'll have to have an update as well, but I don't have the energy for that. I make steve do that one I just have my tvos set to update it. Oh, yeah, it just automatically Does its thing everyone's well where I'm like something's wrong. It probably hasn't updated and each time It's like no, I've updated. I don't want my laptop to update itself because I have programs that may or may not work I want I want to make that decision, but apple tv. It's there. There's none of those considerations So I just let it do it. Yeah, maybe that's how steve's been doing it. Why doesn't he? I told you I recently Decided to resubscribe to youtube tv, which I had for a while I was sort of on a family plan with some friends and we realized Oh the family plan really only works if you live in the same zip code, which we didn't So that didn't you know that kind of fell apart, but I I thought I think it's a really good service So I subscribed can't do that through apples new tv service Or if you can it was notably not mentioned what youtube tv Yeah, no in fact playstation view isn't even through the service PlayStation view and spectrum are just services that work with the tv app tracking Yeah, but they they you don't subscribe to them through Again, super confusing if you don't follow this stuff closely because I got it But I was explaining this to steve in the chat room. He's like wait So spectrum is part of this channels. I'm like I'm like no It's a separate thing and he's like, oh, so it's just hbo. I'm like no It is spectrum, but it's just tracked and you don't buy it through you know And it's like these little slices of difference It is on automatic update slices of life I'm updating my apple ios right now I should have bought an ice cream. How come you never buy ice cream? You're welcome. You never buy me ice cream What about some local salmon ice cream? I want to go get some ice cream You know, it's funny. I my mom had been in town all weekend She left right before the show started and we had so much fun and and and you know, we're both like Snackers, you know, we're always it's like half an hour after a meal. It's like Are you hungry? You want shy open some chips, you know, the kind of we're just always like compulsively eating And I kept saying like do you want some like dessert or Because after a certain time of day, you know at 9 p.m. It's like we're not gonna have like probably chips and salsa But you know, like ice cream would be good, but I just cannot get into sweets anymore I don't have any No Because I was saying to my mom like I'll walk down to the corner store if you want something and she was like I don't bother. I mean if you don't have it But yeah, I'm just like ice cream of any kind. I can't get into it And it's probably because there aren't any it sits around here That's why I'm always about the popcorn I make popcorn twice a day some days Really? I'm with you on popcorn, but not It has to be savory like none of that. Um, what are they? Cabbage corn Ah heresy reminds me of uh, uh, but not apple jacks. Um I said it much much. No. No. No. Um, oh, uh, cracker jacks cracker jacks. Yeah, I never liked cracker jacks Except with kettle corn, you don't get a prize, right? Except uh, high blood sugar level and possibly diabetes on the road See see I'm on to something The dabbiness The only sweets we have in the house are chocolate. We don't have anything else I am married to a chocolate. I take that back. We have haichu. I have a pack of haichu candy I carry grapes in the crisper section. That's not a sweet. Oh, they're very They're very sweet, but that's not a sweet. We're talking about candies and cookies and stuff Yeah grapes like our fruit which carry you're the guy you're the guy who gets carrots out to the kids at halloween, aren't you? Yeah, I have A bottle of chocolate. I probably have some of the best Best see patrons and all these kids on my block and see for miles Although carrots are hiding in chocolate They're very good Actually, I'm supposed to feed rabbits carrots either Why I thought that was like a thing to give a rabbit bugs bunny. Yes No, it's uh bugs bunny is So that whole thing is because they originally bugs bunny was supposed to get a cigar But they couldn't have a cigar. They need something more child friendly. So they gave them a carrot um, but generally they're You want to give them rabbits and carrots The only reason I know this is because we're looking about wait, you want to give rabbits rabbits and carrots Yeah, that's what you just said rabbits don't naturally eat rude vegetables or fruit carrots and fruit or high in sugar Should only be fed to them in small small amounts as an occasional treats. Okay. Okay. Now you shouldn't give them carrots It's that Brian rabbit that whole story about them could digging under and digging up the the farmers root vegetables And eventually bryer rabbit was cooked in the stew and everyone was sated And then they got rabbit consumption because they didn't get enough fat in their diet Rabbits do eat leafy greens mostly, right? Yeah, so my herb garden and I have an herb garden The main part of a rabbit's diet should be an unlimited amount of fresh hay Really? Yeah, they mostly eat grass grass and hay So it's not that they should they don't eat fruits and vegetables. It's that in the wild They just can't get them that often. So if you have a pet rabbit and you feed them that all the time It's not good for them I learned so much on this show Well, folks, if you're watching video, that's all you're going to learn today. That's enough. Don't you think and audio folks stick around There's more to come Amen has its privileges. We can't guarantee it'll be useful Not like what you've been hearing here Not so useful like rabbit