 Njali hwami, mweli na kato na kumuli mweli kwa kiwani, h ماja hwaji hwaha nilo, hakemi nikini wanya w행uha wadi hika, hivengu wakameo na ukusivi yaw, hwaki mweli nikimi wakamea ako hwami ni pwengi kwa mweli hwaki mweli hwani na hwaki kiku ni hasa mweli Nama yubere wa hawatu nama napitokole agandu kwa mahtu pwkwa mahi ni release mahi nama kwa mahtu kwa mahtu pwkwa mahi nama, wajie, kitakumabu n قamba kajhto. Haide ni kansati wajie wajie hote. Naiki wajie n lau, kwa ubuja wajie waisha illuwe mozo nida. Kwenimuwe waisha wajie kut명uwe yaweki, naiki wajie nida. Naiki wajie, naiki waja hote, Not only blind ears to this, but even a blind eye and ears has completely gone back on his weight. What he saw as injustice and a pf, he now sees as the things that are just five. I don't even have to go through the litany of our citizens that have been subjected to these breaches of the rule of law. You remember incidents sometime last year when people were being bundled up from Lusanka, driven all the way to a place, a remote place like Shangumbu because some UPND Kada has reported them to the police in Shangumbu until it became so embarrassing to the UPND itself that Kunilias Muetua as a party spokesperson had to say this has to come to an end. Now if it came to an end because the party spokesperson said so, it meant that it was orchestrated originally by the party itself. We had never seen that kind of thing before. Never. That a person that has been arrested or a person or a citizen whom the police can send a decent call out if they want me at the police station, sure they don't have to come at four a.m. to my house. They can send me a call out and they know that I will submit to the police. So you ask a very important question because it goes to the bedrock of governance itself. That's what defines what governance or misgovernance is. So HH has been a big big letdown to the Zambian people and this is not even a political statement. It is something that is truthful. It is something that is in the public domain now. But a man that the people of Zambia believed would turn around the injustices that they saw under PF is orchestrating those injustices today, is allowing those injustices to live on. You spoke of people being bundled on police vehicles taken to far, far in areas of the country just to go and answer the allegations made by maybe one particular individual who maybe might belong to the ruling party as one violation now. Clearly the side of the UPND has been that those that were doing the wrong or those that do the wrong things, the institutions that are mandated to investigate is the ones that is at work here, not the UPND at all. No. I've always said this that anybody who is going to tell you that the police does not read the mood of those that are in power and they're operating autonomously, they're telling you a lie, they'll be telling you a lie. Anybody that is going to tell you that the police has an institution and the officers in that institution do not read the mood of those that are in power will be telling a lie. They're very good at reading the mood of those that are in power and they have to please the powers that be. That I can tell you for a fact. There's one particular statement which the expert general police reacted to as we were ending the week last week, IG Grafaro Omsamba complained or rather he issued a statement to say those that are saying that police is dentening the image of the UPND because of how it's carrying out its duties are speaking on the on the side of being ignorant and that he was reacting to what UPND National Youth Chairperson Gilbert Luzoniso said when he appeared on Radio Phoenix that the people talk because then he was talking about the police brutality that we've seen that was reported in some past few days or months now as as has been you know maybe pushed by the government you know or the government having a blessing at that brutality that was happening. So there was an exchange of words there. One issued a statement on a media platform and that person replied to say wow the police is not dentening anybody's image when conducting duties. Look look if if if there is if there is any institution that is very good at decompening in political party is the police that I can tell you for a fact the police are very good at decompening the government in power okay for the party in power because they do stupid things sorry to use that way they do things that are outside the civil liberties the principles of civil civil liberties of citizens and like I've said earlier nobody would believe not even a fellow in Nicaissa here would believe that the 12 police officers that went you know to pick up a manual member from a chaos beat him up I met him recently I met him you know last week I couldn't even shake his right hand because he's still hurting he's still nursing injuries in his right hand right hand no citizen would believe that that group of officers is not denting the image of of the government nobody and nobody would believe that they are not doing that on behalf of the government so whereas whereas it was a sad incident the manual which is the most the most recent it's very good for the citizen to see what UPND is all about so Cuba to this one is was right it was very right in the observation that he made and Musamba was wrong and you know that's what they always do when they've been appointed they're very excited we saw it with the lemika joba they get very excited like I've already told you as if achiever for the first time but the day of recording will come can you say for that day comes they would have finished UPND can you say is it's it's the politicians themselves that tend to you don't make the work of the police heart no what what what what did the manual member do what did the manual member do they didn't send a call out to him if the police had said look we followed this man you know to the car wash because we sent him a call out he didn't come we sent him a second one did he didn't come we probably sent him the third one he didn't come so we had to mount a money hand the problem would have had an argument so what did what did the poor guy do what did Esther Longu do that they needed to go with grinders you know to to go and look for one vehicle would be suspected to be at your residence what did they send her a policy call out and said to her there is a suspected vehicle registration number x which we believe is at your residence under the following circumstances there is a complainant over this matter please will you surrender that vehicle to us sure as a decent low abiding citizen she would have done that so in what way do we as politicians make policy work difficult we don't I meant to ask that uh uh uh based on uh you know what has been said when it comes to the police and that the government then play pledging allegiance to the government of the day uh because it's been for a very long time we've always believed that uh you know politics uh politicians generally would uh you know uh command the police to do things uh we heard that in the in the previous regime where you know the uh the party that is in power right now would complain on the way the police would carry themselves the time they were in the opposition towards them and it's a continuous discussion that goes on uh each party that forms government obviously uh you know would want the police to do what they want look the the the the nature the nature of the state in the third world country is totally different from the characteristics of the state in the developed world okay in the developed world even in a small country like israel a police a police you know exhibits independence again you read you know up to now you know that the there are still cases that are running again against former prime minister Boris Johnson in London because he's been under investigations by the Metropolitan Police in London for having breached COVID rules okay the you know the police called him for an interview and he has ended up losing his part position purely on account that the man is under investigation okay prime minister Netanyahu in Israel he's been indicted by the police you saw him drive you know to the police station for the police to go and take a statement from him it it doesn't happen in a third world country why because the state in a third world country is believed to be synonymous with those that are in power or the person that is at the helm of power okay in a developed in a developed country like the United States the CIA bugs the phone of the president of the United States Joe Biden now they bug that for why because he could be a danger to the state himself he is not the state he hope you will not do that we don't know who hh talks to we don't know whether the people that he talks to he talks to them in the interest of this nation they don't do that so there is a fundamental difference between the state as it operates in in in in in the developed country and the the way it operates in the third world country in the third world country the state is synonymous with the those that are in power and the person that is at the helm of power you only come to learn the wrongdoings of the person who is at the helm of power in a third world country when they are out of power not when they are in power in fact i'll tell you my position myself i personally believe that even in this constitutional article that the president must be must enjoy immunity from arrest war in office is not is not right it is high time from our experience that it should be removed why do we want to continue as a country having somebody in the state house who is a criminal and wait until after five years why why do we want they able to a criminal to continue running their affairs of state of this country for five years because the article in the constitution says that is immune enough from any criminal or civil investigations no the person that you put in the state house must ensure he himself or herself must ensure that he is above reproach and that is low abiding during that period he must not be given a moratorium of five years to do wrong things so none of the things that caused problems in third world countries we get to look at you know just the few issues that have happened in the past days one of them was you know the resignation of the auditor general which raised a couple of issues and there are people that feel that the auditor general was pushed to that level for him to basically just resign so what do you want me to say I'm left to get your position as of course a economic friend on that is there pressure that was exhibited on the resignation of the auditor general maybe just to I'll tell you what that he discovered yeah I'll tell you what I've discovered what I've discovered is that he was I think accountant general at the minister of finance and I've spoken to a few people within the minister of finance and outside the minister of finance and the information we have gathered as EF is that there was a lot of wrongdoing not the minister of finance during that time a lot of wrongdoing somebody was telling me a story of how six million kwacha cash was withdrawn and just disappeared you know I don't I don't you know unless and until Dr. Sitchen be poofs himself innocent I'll not come to his case that he has been unfairly treated no okay yeah good anybody that has money for example so sorry I'm not you know one of the proponents of that school thought we get to do something also that raised a bit of talk and one of issues now that people are thinking I don't know if this was just according to the people that are in government today that was just a stance to the public sympathy according to them the you know the briefing that was held by the you know the children to the former president with regards to the treatment they've been given since the president Edykata Walungu the former president of course left power they cried foul that the state is trying them in the general or should I say on the media as opposed to quote and they want to be taken to court to answer to to answer to allegations that have been labeled against them before the public yes I think the issue there is this firstly the constitution excuse me the constitution of the republic of zambia guarantees you and I the right to private property you have a right to own property in this country under the zambia constitution okay and that property cannot be taken away from you without the due process of law second point I think the point that the lungus we are making was this short is executing of that process by the DPP if you recall that press conference came on the heels of the DPP saying that he had made an application to court without trying you know those that own the property and he wanted this property forfeited to the state now if you if you suspect me to be in position of property that is the suspected to be process of crime under the zambia constitution like I said area I enjoy the right of the presumption of innocence that I'm innocent until I'm proven guilty so the way you do it is take me to court prosecute me and the way you do it is take a statement from me I don't have to read about your steps in the media of course you are in the democracy it is always good that the public knows what is happening to every citizen but you don't do it in reverse if you remember when the DPP took those steps the lawyer Makebizuru issued a statement said how can you go to the press before you even save any process any court documents owners as lawyers or even only so-called accused so I think there is a bit of excitement also within the DPP's office and the anti-corruption office you know over over these matters and that's how they are and that's why they are missing themselves up that's why that's why we can't see the expected results in this fight against corruption because I don't know what's going on you know I mean I I I work to you myself again you know in local government you know I remember in the 1988 one Shamanaku the late Joshua Smuzaia was DPP I never I never heard or saw DPP Joshua Smuzaia go and hold a press conference that we have arrested the Edward Shamanah we are prosecuting you know Edward Shamanah because he wanted to overthrow the government and the main DPPs that came you know after that Joshua Smuzaia you know Grigori Piri retired judge now and never I never saw them in the press this excitement that we are seeing now from these small boys every day they want to be in the press every day they want to be in the press oh my god that's not how that job is done can you give reverence you know to that office okay so I think the longus have a right to cry for that if you are going to try them in the court of public opinion then it means you don't have a case against them if you have a case against them you do it quietly you take them you know before you know a tribune established by law meaning a court of law one produce the evidence and then away from the DPPs press statements let the magistrate you know make a decision if they are grieved by that decision by the magistrate you know that they got the right to go to the high court if they are grieved by the decision of the high court you know that they got the right to go to the court of appeal to the court of appeal if they are still not satisfied with the judgment of the court of appeal you know that they've got the right to go to the supreme court so why does the DPP want to make himself the alpha and the omega in the criminal justice system I think that is wrong let's get to um some of the sentiments that were also made I remember uh you know um the member of the patriotic front who is also in the race to becoming um you know in the race to the president of the patriotic front Mr. Brandon after that particular you know briefing from the lungus there he issued a statement to say that the upnd the way they are conducting themselves towards the former president is like his immunity was lifted already can we say that there's a bit of truth in that in that statement there with the regards or maybe the question should be how how is the treatment uh you know towards the former president is it sour when it comes to the current president and the former president I don't know I don't I don't want to to speculate I don't know about you know the nature of the statement again only again only again only you know descend that you know from from the circumstantial evidence you know of what I see mm-hmm okay what I what I certainly see is that you know HH is getting for HCL no doubt okay okay I mean he can't wait to get at him okay he can he can he can make any statement you know that no I'm I'm not after you know Ed Galungu you know he's he's officials can say no no he's not after you know the truth of the matter is that the man is traveling at the high speed on this road of vengeance against Ed Galungu for a silly offense which he absorbed committed in mongu okay for a silly offense which he committed to excite people to show people in mongu that he was very popular and he wanted you know to block the presidential monarchy and I said it you know or on many programs you know that if it were in other countries HH would have been short would have been short dead that day like the security people because he was risking the life of a head of state so he did something silly himself and now now it turns around to be vengeful against the action that was taken against him the difference you know that the position that I took at that time was that what he did was not reasonable all right okay and I made that statement when HCL was still in office I said yes what has happened is silly but this is not reason I still went ahead to pay my visit you know in prison not because he hadn't done something wrong but because he was a colleague in the opposition so there is no doubt that the man is still Peter from that experience so all this thing about you know the lungos is is is targeted at HCL at the end of the day so he has to harass his children he has to harass his wife you know and he stress the man and that kind of thing you know but you see what is what is really saddening is that HH has more important problems on his hands than HCL he has more important things the people here in the chipata compound are going hungry they don't care about HCL as far as they are concerned is already out of power what they want is for him to deal with issues of their bread and butter this morning there's a there's a contingent of police officers on the streets in town to throw out the street vendors those street vendors and not the problem they are a symptom of a collapsed economy an economy which he promised to come and fix they are doing that because they want jobs from him and he promised them jobs so my view is that he has much more important thing that should be keeping him awake at night and not HCL even if even if he even assuming that he locked up HCL tomorrow how would that improve the kwacha dollar rate how would that feed the people of chawama how would that reduce the the price of fuel in this country how in god's name would the locking up of HCL just turn around this economy overnight so if he wants to listen to an independent piece of advice it's Bwana if HCL has done something wrong the law will catch up with him and you are not the police officer leave that to the police in the meantime get on with the business that the zambian people voted you for let's look at previously I know that I don't know maybe this is a zambian way or the african way that uh when uh you know a leader leaves power uh there's um the issue of following them up uh based on what they did when they were the helmet of power we talk about uh you know what happened during the mmd chilua monawasa scenario let's talk about also uh rupia banda uh the late uh you know uh my kuchili fesat as well how do we change that going forward in our in our political we change we change that you doing by what I said earlier let's remove the article that allows the sitting head of state to be immune from any criminal investigation or even prosecution until they get out of power I think we have learnt now from the past okay and and I can tell you that article also has a a historical context because we inherited it from the colonial era okay as you know in the United Kingdom the queen is the head of state the prime minister is head of government and because the queen is not involved or the king now King Charles III is not involved in politics he is he is given you know or or that that that infaribility that he can't do anything wrong okay but now we have learnt that in fact you can commit an offense while you are seated in a state house my argument I go back to it again is we can't we should not wait for five years we should be able to submit that person to the police so I was minister of justice who moved the emotional environment against arabi for the lifting of his immunity and I don't apologize for it I don't regret because we had evidence okay that arabi had done something wrong when he was the head of state and we wanted him answerable I can tell you that it was not malicious we didn't sit in a corner with microsoft and I you know and the and the and the tried to connive against you know arabi that's not my character the queen pf came into power under ecl the same people that voted for that motion turned around and voted against it meaning they didn't believe in what you were voting that surprised me but obviously they exchanged the vote because he I'm told the arrangement was that you know arabi made easier wini in eastern province I'm not sure about that but anyway that was their their time but we need to get this thing dissolved and the way we get around it is that if you are head of state we hear that you are doing something wrong at community house the police must be able to call you and take a statement from you right yeah now president coming but let's get to look at also something that has been quite topical and I don't know when it will come to be put to rest or maybe we have to wait until you know the current president leaves that office is the issue of the president's residence in this case is uh not housed at uh enkwazi house and that in itself has been a topical issue we don't know what our law says about where the president is supposed to stay there is there is no specific law that says that the president must stay in enkwazi house there's no law like that okay he can squat even in chipata compound okay but the convention the convention since independence is that the president stays at enkwazi house the governor of northern rhodesia sir evelim hon the last governor of northern rhodesia sir evelim hon his residence is what you see as state house today where the office of the president is that was the residence of the governor okay after 1964 counter built enkwazi house and he he started living in enkwazi house and the successive presidents have lived in enkwazi house and there are many reasons for that firstly it's easy access to the office counter sometimes used to work from enkwazi house to the office the president works long into the night not our president whenever he per when he was 16 hours when he was reporting at 10 hours okay many like counter they used to report you know or at the office at six i think i'm down office he reads his intelligence briefing he works late into the night okay there are two bedrooms in enkwazi house there are two bedrooms such that you know if the president comes late comes back late from the office and he doesn't want to disturb you know the wife he goes into the next bedroom and remember when we were students at onza in 1980 just shortly before we graduated we demonstrated as the students you know because it's not good yabu you know those days so where there are a lot of energy so we demonstrated you know over zimbabwe you know because we are very politically conscious not my students were mad you're very welcome with me or allowance allowance was what i needed was we went to state house and keke came out you know to address us and as he was addressing us the wife walked across you know to him thought about nine hours i'm not mistaken she had come from uth where she was visiting a relative who was a patient there you know and then she she whispered something to keke and after she left keke said to us you know i've not seen this late for three days they were in the same house some house because of the nature of the manzi duties national duties not much over i mean it you on i kusobana uku kwangal uku this is cheap to be honest with you those of us that so how you know men like keke keke told us i've not seen my wife for three days not because the wife was spending a night somewhere or keke was spending a night somewhere they were in the same house because they would have a central committee meeting and the cabinet joint meeting running into the early hours of the morning you can't go and walk into the bedroom where your wife is so you go and explain so there are a lot of advantages problem is that we are dealing with it you know a young generation now that does not know the past of this country and these things are not taught you know at the at secondary school history we continue teaching you know who discovered the victoria foz you know david livingstone when that is not even correct okay so the advantage the other advantage is security the other advantage is security because you know the head of state is the embodiment of the security of this nation so so the security of the head of state is a major major priority for state security so you can't have a president using the same route every day to state house using the same route you know back to community house every day is no security like that so but clearly the president is not doing anything wrong maybe that's what we should be no it's not it's not a question of wrong or right it's not a question of wrong or right you know yes he is doing something wrong because if something happened to him today it can destabilize this nation so to that extent he is doing something wrong that life is no longer his life alone okay it can destabilize the nation okay I mean we we were told we have read that Trump's house in florida is is is far much better than the the house he lived in in washington dc when he was president and Trump is a rich man he could have decided to be flying from florida to washington dc every day even using his only fuel you'd have said I don't want to live you know in the office you know at the at the at the at the white house sorry I don't want to live at the white house I want to live in florida and I'll be flying myself in a 7 in a born 737 to washington dc and back he didn't do that and he would not be allowed to do that there's not a question of right or wrong or right and wrong it's a question of these are issues of security for the head of state and again I'll give you another example the president is not in charge of his security takes me back to the point that I made earlier that the problem with the state in Africa in zambia in particular is that it is synonymous with the person who is in power but the president is not in charge of his security the president must listen to what the security operators experts say to him he's supposed to be directed again I'll give you an example in the 1990 during the 1991 you know when the euphoria of mmd you know came to the fore they had the the security people had reinforced keke's security yet he had more security vehicles with him and at a press conference the problem when he changed when I was a fan what between when I was here okay me had already started working a bbc reporter asked keke and he said we see now that you have reinforced your security are you afraid of your life is your life at risk and keke firstly you know he laughed that lovely laughter of his and he said the young lady I also see the people around me you know bearing guns but I don't know why they are there I remember that answer very well from keke at a press conference he said I don't know why they are there I don't even know who brings them I don't even know what they want so I'm just as surprised as you are the point that keke was making was I'm not in charge of my security not in charge there is there is a system that takes care of that okay that's a point he was making so this is not about the right and wrong you know what and what no this is about the security system saying to the president you know I will give you another example there was a district conference you know for UNIP in Chongwe okay here now and it was held that the ZDNC camp and the as the heads of department were asked you know to attend it was compulsory anyway no they were asked were directed to attend there was a guard of one that was mounted by ZDNC okay and when keke came when keke came he was wearing you know a green green deep green safari suit which blended very well with the the guard of honor you could hardly see him why because I'm sure he must have been advised by the security people sir this is what you wear for security reasons so like you've said uh presidency that office in itself you know the assistance so meaning that you know the current system to the president advise him they say well it's okay you can be coming from they don't even advise they don't even advise you know they are scared of losing a job okay they don't even advise muana they don't even advise you know they live under the principle what I call keeping a job by not doing it okay if you want to keep your job don't do it that's a principle that I've seen myself in the public service if you want to keep your job just don't do it that's why but there is also another fundamental you know or issue which is related to this um we have heard that there you know there is some infrastructure that has been added on to that house is personal house okay at the expense of the state money from the treasury now there is no law that allows the state the treasury to spend money on my personal property just because I've become president so that expenditure is illegal it is illegal today when H8 is in that house it will be illegal when he comes out and he runs a risky of getting that property forfeited to the state the way this property at the arcade was forfeited to the state which was supposed to be chirubazi uh institute for democrats and industrial relations so why why do you want to to be wrong when you can be right I get surprised myself why do you want to be wrong when you can simply be right okay so he runs now when you start following him up you know after that you the same generalist you start holding interviews no but why are we following up with all my head of state you know he's doing something wrong now so the right thing would have been him being housed at kwaizi house not the right thing the wisest thing okay yeah let's get to open up the four lines in case you'd love to be a part of live issues feel free to call in on 09767 624270 that is Rona in 777624270 for the interaction my guest this morning is economic front party leader President Vinta Kavimba is my guest as we are discussing patent issues let's get to hear what your thoughts are as we pick up this one here as a first call of the morning good morning to you sir how are you doing today I'm doing fine good morning I'm Rona Vinta Kavimba good morning sir thank you yet again Mr Kavimba he has collected on live to record radio how are you sir I'm Kasoka the man who called the flow of Mutender yesterday all right Mr Kasoka good to have you here talk to us Mr Kavimba he's 2011 I was there I was the president when you moved the motion to remove the unit of Mutia Panda and the from the look of things there was a lot of objections from the MP and from my own observation you didn't reach the two state requirements that was the you were supposed to do they achieved Mutia Panda remove remove of with the unit of Mutia Panda because first of all I think this is the best time now for you to tell the nation how many people were in parameters on that day and how many people got it to have the unit removed if it amounted to to say so my calculation we insisted on moving the motion even when people accepted I think you removed the motion I mean you removed the the Arabi community I think on less than 100 people you know I think it was 98 or so you know it goes far less from the two states required the threshold now there's another question so in my small book I've written a book there's a chapter in 90 other people's factors from my observation you'll see 90 numbers factors from way back when it was fighting at the end which I think the moment you mentioned that it was your classmate it along with your classmate I think the narrative has been quite funny I mean pretty if you know what I mean you could exciting me let the room with matters even when you know that he brought some of the basic principles of the constitution for example when somebody needs petitioned as president they're supposed to stand as happy and lead the speaker to act as president you ignore that and simply look at it as normal there's another provision in the constitution which says if somebody is an MP for a constituent for example Lusambo was an MP for a constituency you cannot appoint him as provision minister you know you cannot have empty the Lusambo world and then at the same time I think it is that for 10 or 10 or at 104 times they have said so we are at okay they just want you to be quick you can yeah for good day so it's what I'm saying pyramid works too we move what we need of a president and the same pyramid works too we store immunity so in short what I'm asking over store this will pay up under unity what's the time that the staff on this to restore will pay up under unity will respond to the up under unity did he die with him did he need to be moved or did he die with him did he need to be moved what you know but what you know thank you so much thank you so much we appreciate it I'll let you respond to him because he's asked the number of issues that he wants you to call look if he Mr Kasoka is writing a book let him revise you know that book okay Mr. Kasoka if you are I hope you are listening if you are writing that book sir please revise the chapters in your book because your facts are wrong okay fact number one which is wrong at the time when he I moved the motion to strip let president appear a band of his immunity he didn't require a two-thirds majority it was a simple majority go back to that to that article in the constitution at that time so correct that in your book sir number two the small group of the UPND sorry of MMD then and UPND walked out of parliament the column was still maintained and the speaker went ahead to conduct a vote and the vote was unanimous correct that in your book fact number three what you need to correct there is no constitutional provision which says if you are a member of parliament you can't be appointed minister the way Rustam was appointed wrong fact so if you want your book to sell please correct those facts thank you all right zero nine double seven six two four two seven zero is the number that you are using to get to us good morning morning yes good morning to you sir good morning what is your voice did you talk to people about what you have done what you have done thank you and of course I have been always advising you Mr. Wintagarembara when you are given chance to speak to the people yes and you are claiming that you are a leader of a political party that's something which we can't go stop the stand now by people in the and they will say yes this one is a political leader why are you calling if what I'm saying has no substance why are you calling in I would you look up hello why are you calling in if what I'm saying has no substance just ignore me and get on with your work no because you you want to be you want to be my leader in one of these days not you yourself because it doesn't matter if I don't vote for you it is a majority vote for you you will be my president but I congratulate you before you become a president thank you for that confusion you cannot come there and talk about the agency's house agency cannot fail to renovate this house if you manage to build all that house how can fail to renovate just a few things because you want to put there you will be aligned to the Zanias that the entity constructed the road which goes to his house are you sure that road is one entity that is using to treat him oh it doesn't mean that the people is treating him that's why we can say we don't care the line is breaking a bit hello I'm saying the line is breaking slightly okay you may have to call us back I don't know because the line was no I've heard what you have said yeah I've heard what you have said all right so if you've heard then maybe let's pick up some more so that maybe we can have three in total that you can respond to okay yeah good morning you're through to live issues you're going to write a name you have no idea whether it depends on who you are and where you come from and where you are Thank you for that submission there. Let's bring in one more call then we can put a hold to the calls as I allow my guest to respond to your submissions. Good morning. Yes, good morning. We can hear you. Good morning. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. We can hear you, sir. Yes, uncle Joe, please go ahead with your submission. One problem that you have, anything that someone does, that means okay, and you don't have that opportunity or that chance to advise your colleagues. What you are there for is condemned. That's what you only know. You just condemn and condemn. How you even know, I even know that you are a small leader that you live in a small group of people in this country and you never be the president and you even know yourself that you never become the president of this country. Now, if you don't advise me on colleagues here, then I prefer to not be the president of this country. You are the president and you are the president of this country. So, I think that we need to move forward with the trust that we have. But, if we don't do that, you are there as a parent. As a parent you need to advise your colleagues. We will bring you in based on those allegations. Wait,ンホルセイ? If he doesn't understand English very well, he should just come up. na kambaba wukamba uti sinagabeku mozaro dhia zemene ienda guli heche heche taninda nbama gani amugwa goo hunkabuli heche heche avunoti incited anybody qemene na kamba ni wukamba uti heche heche muine, mukamua kake ana kambati nene nikabuera ine ima monsi muzenkara na jitu ana wukzengulu wuka na kapamera kaunga hati muvuti kamaningi mu pf ine nikabuera ine muzambo gola 25 kg muna nikumvera baya baa baa hati bene abrada jo ango jo muna nikumvera mueka ana wukamba kamoa kake sinite na wukumu manga kamoa orukumu segura kamoa cho wakme na kama saan kama saan wakme na kama saan Sama hukierinu kama na hami wakimi na kama ujio na kama n Cage nika. Wumpa ewa. kama na aymu nakabubat kama na wikia kwa ka huwa niwa haba ya enu yada knani So it is you that are supporting him, that are supposed to go and advise him, please do the money if ever, that is how they used to praise seeing ECO, just like that, there were other uncle Jaws like you under PF, go and advise the man because you are speaking for yourself, you may be even speaking from a tribal angle, there are other people out there that are going hungry and they are not happy with the UPND regime and whether or not I become president is neither here nor there, one thing that is fundamental is that I am a citizen of this country, I am a shareholder of this country and I don't want to be governed by somebody who is wrong, even if I am not president and that I will talk, at least you have said that I have got a small following, at least you have considered, that is important, I thought you are going to say I am just alone with my wife, so you the praise singers of HHE do him a favor and tell him the truth, don't allow him to walk around like a naked emperor because you will be the ones that are killing the man and if you continue like that HHE won't go beyond 2026, that I can tell you alright, let's see if we can allow a few more calls before we get to the end of the program, 0977 624 270, be as brief as possible as you get through on the line, good morning good morning, good morning, is that like video? yes, there are two live videos, who do we have on the line? you are Mr. Sehsema Mr. Sehsema Mr. Sehsema, good to have you here, where are you calling us from? I am calling you from Kitwe ok, come to us did you know where Mr. Sehsema is from? I am from Kwae you know the story, when you need to sit down and begin to think to think to see how it will be that advice you have given me as a dealer you need to know what to watch here at HHE it is very true, you are actually showing love to the president right now I hope you, the interviewer there who kicked us on records so that it won't turn to Kwae if the man has a problem with another dealer that is going to come into power with that house we have some other features there the order has been taken there and many security features couldn't have been put in that house we hope it will be seen so that he doesn't have a problem in the future now, let me talk about such things in the land that Mr. Kitwe is always there like in the land that Mr. Sehsema is in he is very poor ok, like with him he doesn't even care if he is a president, he is a liar if he is a president, he is probably the number one thing and when we go for him to account for his promises people are calling you Mr. Karima you must be very jealous you are not jealous sir today the price of meeting you is reaching 250 kwae in other parts of the country but the man says to have a bag of me and me acting, I don't know if it is 50 kwae now when we ask him let the new wuga for the 50 kwae if they are there in you you are jealous keep on talking for example as people you are the only one who is very objective you sit down and now what you have to come and say me I will not be saying that people have just been saying that you are the most experienced leader that you have in this country and that the leader will be very honest and take yourself very objective being followed by the drug enforcement commission that you have stolen water and water from this country that kind of people you are the people that this situation for the people who are here they are on her pair we get the support the last couple that I want to meet 180 me so ashamed of Mr. Kavimba we are planting for 180 me so far that has been did by AIM the money that we don't have planned they have got on God thank you so much Mr. Kavimba God bless you let's bring in the last 3 voice notes that I have received about what's up this morning justice if we left our friends on what's up hanging without obviously being hurt let's start with this one here Mr. Kavimba thank you for correcting me just the previous caller there are people that just like talking just because they have to talk thank you for correcting all of us then the other people out there who are also saying what this man is saying is wrong thank you for correcting all of us thank you we've never seen such a closeness we have seen a city in 10p of the costwaes cannot be appointed thank you thank you Mr. Kavimba that is very wrong that is very wrong people must not just wake up from their blackies and come and be seen in the people we feel they want to please their party or their leaders in the party please they pray them first to get facts good morning my name is Kavimba Kavimba we have never loved the president from the time he was in opposition we can never say anything good about the president because we hated them ever since so just stay back we don't want to advise them on anything because the president want the majority without your vote without your members vote so there's nothing similar that you can say on the president as good thing that you have done are you telling us that there's nothing that the president has done look at the CDF we have broadened CDF all members of parliament they can now utilize that CDF even in PF we have members of parliament like Kachiria and we have a lot of people that are benefitting from CDF look at the resentment or introduction of new allowances in government training institutions all that you cannot see look at the free education from grade 8 which has been introduced to grade 12 are you telling us that you are blind but we are coming soba up with my big man come and bring alternative ideas Zambians now have waken up they are looking for a position that can give alternative not hate speech so what you are saying is that you can never appreciate the president and be it to you because we don't want you to advise delay the president's work yes the issue of medium it will be sorted out but that you cannot to campaign the president over the issue of medium so watch and see the 1 million different votes that we are must in 2026 I am telling you to be 5 million watch and see this is Zambian position of nothing to offer so just be the way you are we don't want you to advise this is comment from Mrs. Hea thank you good morning my best man Eugene and good morning president Wintagabimba president Wintagabimba you are embracing to this country why I am saying so because you have got full wisdom and the knowledge so to say we don't have politicians in this country who thinks like you that is the problem that we have in this country it is my prayer that we can have politicians who thinks like you then we are going to have a better Zambia because this is our country what is going on in this country right now with this government of UPND president HHE is a terrible to be honest with you today I was I was passing town I find lot of officers police officers with guns and so on and so forth removing vendors without any notice and those people they are preparing now to start playing and so forth and this time which is very bad president Wintagabimba we need you in this country that you can save us you can save us to this UPND government we need you your leadership so to say because president HHE has failed to completely look at the price of millimil look at the price of fuel they promise us heaven and the earth but what they are doing right now is terrible is wrong we are dying with this government of UPND and president HHE Mr. Wintagabimba help us you have got experience in this politics you are a man you are a man they are going to call no telling you don't worry about UPND those are pressing us we need you in this country we need you in this country we need you in this country we need you in this country they want to show their support and so forth we are behind you Mr. president God bless you sir thank you so much to all those who reached out to us using the WhatsApp platform we had to give you an opportunity to be heard president I will let you respond to those we can call it a wrap today well thank you very much Eugene I think the bottom line is this so our colleagues in the UPND thank you very much for those that have followed this program and we agree with my views on many of the issues I don't expect everybody to agree with me this is a democracy but when you start calling on me to love HHE you are talking to a wrong man I don't have to love there I don't have to fall in love with the president even the 2.8 million people that voted for him we don't know that of love they voted for him because they want to improve their life that's why they voted for him they didn't vote for him out of affection if what I'm saying is not enough advice you know to HHE then you shouldn't have to know that's what the members say because I think I'm rendering very