 Now recording. So this is the district advisory board meeting of September 28, percent of chapter 20 of the acts of 2021. This meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting might do so in the following moment. We assume under webinar ID 82414483355. No in person attendance of members of the public will be permitted and public participation in any public here conducted during this meeting shall be by remote means only. So meeting sensation. I do not see. So the first item on our agenda is public comment. We had two public comments sent by email. I do not know if all of you had time to read them. One came in quite late. And the other one was early on. So I think we can discuss one of the items. Yes, Meryl. I spoke with the town councilor and have a comment that the person made so I can relay it to the group at some point. OK. You want to do it now as a public comment or? I could do that. So I think the bottom the message was was that they feel that the precincts and present districts should be honored to the extent possible because the 10 councils have worked hard to represent their districts, hold district meetings and bring their constituents together around important issues. So, you know, I think, I mean, and that's something I think in Peggy's principles, that was one of the principles as much as possible to adhere to the current district boundaries when redistricting. So I think a couple of the scenarios that you had put together sort of mixed them up. And I'm not sure how appropriate that would be given the perspective of some individuals. I think we can discuss this more when we are discussing. I think we shouldn't engage in discussions now. It's a public comment and let's engage. I don't see any. And then the stress it coming in. Yeah, I don't see any attendees either. So Tracy's I've been joined the meeting. So Tracy, we just started and we were calling for public comment, but there is no. OK, this. So we're going to move to the next item of approving the minutes. So we have two minutes to go over. The first one is the September 20th, September 14th, and the next one is the September 21st. So let's first go over the September 14th minute. Does anybody have any comment on yes, Su? Um, earlier, Tracy emailed me to point out on the section of announcements where it's stated under B, this who calculated the cost to the to the town of having 15 precincts compared to 10. And she just said, you know, just double check it. And I'm glad she did because payroll and coding where it says yearly next to each one is that's actually per election. OK, so that's the only change that I have. Everything else look great. So for code, it's payroll and coding is per election. Yeah, all. Yeah, payroll and coding is per election. The tabulated is a one time charge, which we have to purchase anyway. The election supplies is a one time charge to get up to 15 trunks and not having 10. And I think that's it. Those are the four things on there. So I wonder if the tabulators belong into this because that's a purchase that even if we were not doing something, you should they have to be there, stated to be purchased. It's not that it depends on 10 or 15. The tabulators have to be purchased anyhow. No, no. If we have 15, we have to purchase more right now. We've got a quote out there for the 10 precincts and some extra tabulator. So 14 tabulators have 15 precincts. We need additional. And I think that the point is just that, you know, if we're talking about what are the costs if we had to do 15 districts, which is, you know, the town attorney, the town council says we don't. But if we didn't want to cite that, I don't know if I would count like the full costs of it would be there on a later. I would. I would. Right. I would count like. Different. And I had suggested in Sue and my email to you, I had suggested that maybe we even look at like 10 year costs. I mean, I think it's good per election, but as, you know, as was pointed out, right, sometimes some years on the odd years, we only have town elections now. And on the even years, like there's the presidential election years where we have three elections and on the other years, the other even years that are state elections, then we have two elections. And so if we wanted to estimate like over a 10 year period. Flee, you know, in terms of what are the added costs of 15 precincts to show the cost, like per election, as you. Just to say, you know, over over a 10 year period, like until the next redistricting, that's a lot of money. It adds up. So. OK. Any other. Yes, please. Other changes to the minutes. Great. They were like easy to. Yeah. So I thought, thank you so much for doing such a great. You're welcome, Tracy, you're going in and out for my sound a lot. I don't know if it's where you're going to use I got this. It actually said that my connection is unstable. I'm in my house at my computer, so I will try to. Nobody else is on any internet, but I'll work on that. OK. So, Marilyn and Craig, do you have any comments for the minutes? So somebody wants to make a motion. OK, I move that we approve the minutes of September 14th, 2021. I second. OK, my name, Boston. Yes, you didn't know how many. Yes, Craig Meadows. Yes, Joseph Gordon. Yes, Peggy Shannon. Yes, Tracy Sevin. I. Yes. So the minutes are approved. And now we move on to the minutes of September 21st. And the OK, so I didn't I didn't see those minutes didn't until where they added to the packet today. Yes. OK, Craig, you have a comment. I noticed that that the suggestion I made at the beginning of the last meeting that we select one map and start working with that and from that, even though that suggestion was ignored, it it wasn't written up in the notes. OK, do you want to suggest awarding how to include that comment? Simply say that I suggested that we pick out one map and try to work with that one map so that we could actually meet the deadline that we have. OK, any other comments? I didn't I didn't review the minutes today. I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't see them early. OK, so do we have a motion to postpone the discussion until the next meeting? Yes, I moved to postpone the discussion. OK, I second that. OK, Craig Meadows. Hi, Irene. I, Irene from the eye, my name blasting. Hi, Joseph Gordon. Hi, Peggy Shannon. Yes, Tracy Sevin. OK, so the motion to postpone until next meeting passed. I want to ask the the board, how do they feel? Because I saw that there are two attendees that just joined. Whether we want since the meeting, we have public comment at the end, but whether since we moved fast because nobody was pressing, whether we can. We call for public comment now. Just in case somebody. That's a good idea. I'm open to that. Yes. OK, so we're going to reopen the public comment. And if any of the participants would like to speak, raise your hand. I don't see any hands raised, so. We can continue with the items on our agenda. The next item is announcements, and I don't have any announcements. I don't know if any. And so so hasn't one announcement. Anybody else? OK, so. OK, I just want to let you all know last Thursday, my assistant town clerk and I attended a town clerk conference at Springfield Sheridan. And we signed up for 2022 elections class that was given by Michelle Tassenary, who's our, you know, head of our legal elections division. And she just wanted to, she covered a lot of things, but one of them was that she can. She urged people to continue working on your re precincting maps because she said if you submit them and they're approved, even though the state legislature right now hasn't finished drawing their district in lines when they do. If they happen to cut a town in half, let's say, she said there are more apt to change their line boundaries. If your maps are already our maps are already approved, then to come back at towns and cities and say, you need to change your lines. So yeah, I just want to encourage all. Let's keep going forward and get this done. And also we will be given the meets and bounds descriptions. Once we've drawn our lines. So that's the legal wording, which will come to us for wherever we ended up based on our maps. And we have to proofread it and put in some of the, some, you know, some things will be left on worded. We'll have to figure that out with the bulk of it. It's going to be given to us. So that's, that's great. I guess in 2011, it wasn't done for us. Oh, and I'm assuming we can also include maps in the, like the GIS maps, like in our, our report to the state too, like copies of the maps. Yeah, but we still have to spell out. No, I understand. But I'm saying when I looked at the, I mean, the copy of the 2011 report that we have access to. Like, I don't think that they had as much GIS, you know, in terms of, I mean, it seemed anyway, I don't know, maybe, maybe they were doing a lot because they were able to meet in person. Maybe they were doing a lot with like physical maps and so on. I'm not sure, but I'm not sure either, but I was thinking, I mean, for example, some like early on, Mike had produced a map that had, that had the population density, you know, by census block and it highlights, you know, in those really dark colors, like the areas that are super dense. And that I thought that that would be a nice addition to put in our map, like both. Just to visually represent, you know, the information that's in the report. I think the report talks about how there's, you know, 4% of the land area includes like 50% of the population or whatever those numbers are, but even just to show it, it is really, it is helpful to have the visual too. I think we can include it on, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, I think we can include it on, on the, on the narrative, on the report. A map like that can be included on the narrative. So that's pretty much all I had to say is, but I had to give an example of how, what they're looking for at the LED RC level. And she said, one town submitted a map that had these long fingers and I'm saying they're going, oh geez. And we don't really like to see that. We like to see nice, even blob sections. And I'm like, oh gosh, you know, I think most towns don't have the nuances of our population. I mean, we can't, we can't create even blobs. I'm sorry. And I think, and I think she and the state note, you know, the LED RC know that. She likes to make jokes. So we were the brunt of that joke. Yeah. Anyway, that's all, that's all I have to report. Okay. Great. Thank you. Any other announcements? So the, the Chavez just joined the meeting. The, we were on announcements. Do you have any announcements? Oh, I forgot. The. Was that right? No, we couldn't hear you. I'm sorry. You all have connected with the MRC media now. Yeah, that was going to, I forgot to announce that. The MRC media was going to be broadcasting our meetings in their, in the. Channel for government. So moving forward, the, the, the meetings have been broadcasting. I forgot the announcement. I'm sorry. So at least maybe we can get some traction for the last couple of meetings. Tracy. There is somebody who wants to raise their hand. So I don't know if it's too late, but. I think. I'll leave it open to the group. I don't see the hand up anymore. Yeah. So Friday, Manny just put up their hand and then put it down. So maybe. So Friday, Manny, if you want to be recognized for public comment, please raise your hand. So can you bump him? It went down again. But I think it was. You want me to put him in the room? Yes. Yes. Okay. I'm sorry. But in the beginning, you just wasn't, wasn't working. I just, I just wanted to ask you. How to access your maps. Because I spent half the afternoon and I was able to find some of them and print them out. Some of them disappeared. They're very difficult to, to print out. It's very important to me because I live on fearing street. And most of your lines go straight down the center of fearing street, but I'm just very conscious of that and want you to keep that kind of thing in mind when you're talking about this, because what that does is it's splitting the neighborhood. It's a very close neighborhood. And it's a, it's a very big change. Okay. Thank you. So the maps are all in the package. They are the current maps, the ones that we keep working. We don't have a separate section. These are all working maps. They are printed in large format. After the meeting in the town hall. But during the week, we create new maps for discussion at the meeting. So not every single map is printed in large format. There's no announcement. We should continue with the packing material except maps. And I think, I don't know if somebody wants to open the discussion. I think one of the important things is the data that Tracy combined about what the turnout. That can help us inform. With the precincts. And there's a big discrepancies and a big shift with the years. So again, this talks about how the changes on population goes shifting during the years. Because I think in the early data that you tabulated, all the precincts were more uniform. On the water turnout. At least that's how I read it. Unless the year pass some precincts. That's how I interpret. And there's a factor of four in some precincts. Yeah. Those in today's packet. I didn't notice them. Yes. So there are the two first documents. Amazon elections November 19, 18 and September 18. And then another document called Amazon elections voters and turn out 2012, 2017. And I separated those out. So the town clerk's website with the election page, it has like all the votes, all the number of voters voter turnout for a large number of elections going back pretty far. What I did though is I separated them out for like, before we had the council and after. So the ones I just went, I think it's like 2012 to 2017. So those are all spring town elections. Those are only town elections, I believe. I don't think there were other elections at those times. And then for the 2018 election. And then the 2019 election. So the 2000, the September and November, 2018 elections obviously coincide. With other election state elections as well. And then there's the 2019 election, which I think was mainly like school committee or something. I just wanted to show those trends. I mean, those reflect the districts and the precincts as they currently are, right? So not without any changes. But it does show that as I said, and then Sue would get provided as data too on the number of registered voters, right? So I think I estimated that the number of registered voters in district five is about 29% of all the registered voters. And the number of registered voters in. District three, for example, is about 12% of the registered voters when we would hope that if we have five districts that it would be roughly 20% each. Though it is a little challenge. Just with the student population, because students comprise over 60% of our population. Yet there's few as Joseph and the other student on our committee documented last time that students often don't vote in our elections, but even if they are registered to vote in Amherst, they don't typically vote in local elections. And so some, I was thinking about this as I was, as I worked on that other version of the map that I shared. Just about in terms of trying to balance it out in terms of actual voters and in terms of people who would be voting, particularly in the local elections, because those are the elections for which the districts really matter, right? If the students, if students on dorms are only voting in the state election, the districts and precincts matter just in terms of where they will vote, but they can also probably vote by mail and so on and so, and also they move so often. And if we have early voting, like early voting on campus and things like that. So I was really trying to focus on local elections and who would be voting in local elections. I think what's, yeah, I think one of the important issues is that in some precincts to get elected, you need one quarter of the votes or less than in other precincts. So it works both ways. As Peggy mentioned it last time, it works both ways. In the precincts where you have less voter turnout, which vote has a different value than whenever, if you have a, you are in a district where you, your vote is some urgency of other voters. So. Yeah, I mean, that was part of it too, right? So district three, I mean I've talked to both of the district three counselors, but like they both got elected initially to the council with only like for between 400 and 430 votes. Whereas in district five, you had to have like well over a thousand votes to get elected. So. I think we have to be careful when we have all the discussions to give too much weight to the town counselors. I think we have to give equal weight to every comment that we have. And not just because a town counselor, that's something I wanted to bring up and just because a town counselor has an opinion is, if this moment it should be as any other citizen of Amherst and not as a town counselor. I think we have to be careful how to do with the weight that we give to the town counselors. Because we are here to represent the whole town. Yes, my name. And I mean, if you look at a lot of the elections, even though district for the, the town council, some of these three of those elected officials are at large. So it's only, you know, there are five. There are 10 councils who are recommended who are elected. And, you know, I think it's just, it's going to be a perennial problem. I think we just have to acknowledge the fact that we have a lot of students who, for whatever reason, especially in local elections, choose not to vote. But in any event, they're still, they still should be represented by in their district. I agree that should be represented, but if that's, if that's the case, we could have even one district that is mainly students, but then, and that would make it easier to have a more even representation on the other four districts. If we had, if we were playing around with the boundaries so that we have one district that is mainly students, then we could adjust the boundaries, the geometry on the, all the other boundaries of all the other districts, and then we could have a more even representation on the around residents and distribute better. But I think from, that could be a map that is drawn by the state. Without knowing local knowledge, but we have local knowledge. And I think we can use the knowledge in the best way to serve the hometown to the government of the hometown. And that's my Tracy. Well, I mean, I definitely do, I mean, there have been some candidates who did have appealed a lot to students, you know, and they have gotten votes. I think it's especially challenging, particularly as I brought it before about students in the dorms, just because they are the most likely to move like every single year. And so how do you, I mean, so, I mean, I think it's good for them to be represented. It's just how, how does that happen unless, you know, you create a district that is predominantly students, but then who is going to be the elected officials in that district when the students aren't here for that long, a lot of them. So, but it's something to consider, you know, thank you. And I just want to reiterate what the public comment, one of the things in the public comment in this packet was pointing out that if you're a candidate, you can't actually get into the residence halls that you can ask to canvas. So, so that's particularly makes it particularly difficult to go into support from students if you can't actually get there when you can't even leave flyers, apparently. Yeah, it would be easier if you were actually a student, then you can get sometimes inside. Yes. Indeed. So we need the students that are staying longer than four years and very committed to local politics. But Joe, we're looking at you. Joe, are you willing to stay a couple more years? To a master, stay around. Didn't Joe, Joe, Joe, didn't you grow up in Amherst? I did not grow up in Amherst, but I visited Amherst like all the time as a kid. Okay, okay. So we need somebody like this, but we cannot. So that's what I'm sure that we would have. Leicitation. So, so yeah, so thanks Tracy for putting all this information. And for me was very interesting to see how the, the number of registered voters changed with the years in some precincts. Half went had to have to the, in six years, the number of registered voters have in some precincts. So that's the difference. So that they would say it's about population changes and shifting demographics in the different places. Okay. Just one quick comment. So one thing I was thinking in this afternoon that I didn't look at, but it would be looking at like based on the current population figures and based on the current number of voters in each district that's to provide it as like we could estimate like the percentage of the population in each district who are registered voters, which I didn't calculate. But anyway, one thing I was wanting, I had the requested to see if we could get, but I think we didn't have time. They didn't have time was whether we could have the register voters linked to the maps that we have. So by census blocks. But I think, I think Mike was going to require that data. But I don't think he got it on time to create. I got very close, but I ran out of time. Okay. So that's, I think it was something we should try moving forward. If it's possible. If we have any maps just to verify. If whatever map we are making balance out and leave it. Or try to overcome and leave it. These issues that they were raised, but at least multiple people. I talked to, they were. Particular summers. At least the ones I had. So summers. They were concerned about. The difference in getting elected in South summers versus. Yeah, I look, I mapped the data preliminarily. I don't know how much it's going to help us. Because I think. I arena, the voting, the registered voters from an extract from like a week or two ago, I believe from Sue or maybe even last week. And. I, I w we will map it and we'll share it once it's finalized. I don't know how much it's going to help us. Because I think. It's very much the same. If you look at the UMAS campus. There are currently only 26 people registered in Amherst to vote. Active. Active. 26 students on the entire UMAS campus. So. According to the. Sue, is that right? That's correct. It's correct. It's correct for active voters. It's, I have to follow a process every year. State law. and when those come back and we'll go out too and then reaching out to the colleges for their input. So real quick, we don't mail census forms to the colleges. We reach out to their versus office or registrar office to get an extract of an Excel spreadsheet of all the students. And then we compare that to the voter registration system and because it's not a census form where a voter has signed it saying that everything's correct. It's only a listing of information. We cannot update people's voter, their street list year unless it's an exact match. So if somebody has moved, we can't do anything with it. And then what happens is in June or in May, we send out confirmation postcards. If we don't get anything back, then the state requires us to run mass, what's called a mass inactivation of voters. This is all MGL. So every June, if people have not responded to their census or the confirmation card, they become inactive. This happens every single year with the college students because there's no way for us to update their address. What happens is by the fall, when they come back again, they don't know where they're gonna be living until what in August beginning of September. This is when we've always been done drives and pushes and getting out the war that please re-register to vote if you've moved dormitories. That's the only way they can stay active is if they take care of it themselves. So this has been going on for 16 years. Every year we talk about this and every year we can never come up with a solution because of the timing of MGL and what we're required to do and the timing of when students come in and out. So that is correct. So there's a ton of them on the books but they're all inactive. So that's just a, we can make this map, we can publish it, we can make it a layer, we can make it an interactive map, we can do a bunch of different things with it but there are limitations to it. I think it's gonna probably represent properties out there that are multi-families and single-family homes and off-campus housing. It'll probably represent those areas pretty well and apartment complexes and things but on campus then it's going, the numbers are just, they just raise red flags. They just look really weird. So. I have a question too. Do you have similar issues with, I know it's on a smaller scale with Amherst College and Hampshire College? Yes, because when we get there, we get there a spreadsheet, it's the same thing. Not well, actually I would take that back on Hampshire College. Everybody's registered at 897 West Street. So that we can update if the students are still there, we can update everybody but Amherst College, it's the same thing if they moved dorms. So it's room number dorm name. So if they've moved, yeah, we can't, without the signature, we can't make a voter change. No, we're not allowed to. Maybe this is a suggestion to talk to the colleges and say the moment the students register, they have an album assigned, send them a ballot or a voter registration form, a census form. We've done that. We've done that. Yeah. This is a very deep question. Craig, you have a comment? I just want, how many more meetings do we have before we have to turn this in? Yes, two more and so we should move forward. I mean, this is an interesting conversation but it's not gonna go anywhere. I'd like to make a motion that we choose one map now and then we spend the rest of the time tonight looking at that one map and making adjustments that we think are viable. Because if we don't get on with this, I'm... So, okay. So the question is we have eight maps on the table right now. Peggy, do you want to make a comment? I pass. Okay. So, Tracy? I guess that I think that we should limit the number of maps. I don't necessarily think that we should only bring, I think that we should recommend one map, when it's going to the council. But I think that as the council is reviewing this and as it gets more attention, as the council is reviewing it, that people will have a lot of questions. And so I would be most comfortable if we bring forward at least two or perhaps three maps. And we say that this one map is our recommended map and we can write our report and we can vote on that. But I do think that people are gonna ask a lot of questions. And so I think it is good to have these other maps and to do some analysis of the other maps as like background. And also for when the questions come up about like why was this done or why wasn't this done or things like that. So I think that we're able to justify those. But I personally don't feel like we need to vote and just say we are only choosing one map at this particular point. Marlene and then Craig. I think we should have some operating principles. I mean, one of the things is when I looked at and I've been focusing on my precinct in my district, one of the maps that I don't know, I forget who proposed it. It excluded the Fort River School, which is where precinct six voters vote. So to me and to people in my precinct and I don't know where people in the other precinct in my district vote, but I think it's an indifferent location. I think it's important that we keep Fort River for example, in that precinct. And that may generalize to all of the other precincts that we do have to consider where people vote because that's something that people just learn to depend on that they're always gonna vote in the same place. Craig, and then I want to answer to that. I'm sorry, but I'm in a motion. So, okay, do we, does someone they want to second the motion or modify? Can I make a suggestion? I mean, do we wanna have some operating principles before we decide on which map we're gonna select or which maybe two maps? Because I think I agree with Tracy that we should have an alternate map that we should be focusing on one map. Once we established, what are our values and what are our principles when we're in doing this? Yeah. So. Hold up, Irene, and this public is where you're going, Craig. If he made a motion, you should follow Ronald's order, particularly since this is a public record that you considered his motion or was not considered. So if no one seconded it, then it fails, but you have to make that official. I would suggest. I was going in that direction. So if nobody seconds, we can continue discussing the regulations and then have another motion afterwards. I wanted to answer to Marlene in the sense that it's my understanding that the voting location does not necessarily have to be in your prison. In the past, this year, you had multiple prisons voting in the high school, for example, right? So voting location. The fact that the voting place is not, the voting place does not mean that it has to be in the right prison. So correct me if I'm wrong. No, you're correct. We've got precincts two, four and 10 at the high school. But then also, I mean, other precincts, like traditionally they've been outside of there too. But yeah. Yeah. So the fact, so the fact, so Marlene, does that clarify for you? That helps. I mean, I didn't know that, but yeah. That would be, that would help. Okay. So regarding your principles, Peggy had come up with a list of principles that you can find them on the minutes on September 14th. What? 14th. They're on the 14th, the principles. Okay. If you want, we can go over it before, as a reminder, are you sure? Yes. So item D on page section nine, item D, the criteria at that point was no fingers or tails, no dilution of minority voting blocks, no breaking up neighborhoods, not to disenfranchise marginalized communities, distribute students and more permanent residents evenly, preserve current districts, give boost to districts, especially in the county, and give a boost to districts that contain communities that have been historically best represented. So for me, all this, if we could make it all this work, that's gonna be great, but I understand that in some cases, they're contradicting that we won't be able to satisfy all these principles. So one way to go is to look at, have a suggestion in order to reduce the number of maps that we have, because right now we have multiple maps and multiple versions, could be to have a quick look at certain maps and quickly discard the ones that we think that are not satisfying some of these principles. We could have a two minute discussion on each map time and then go discarding maps that might not be satisfying because I agree that we have way too many and we have to reduce the number. And Greg, I agree that we have to reduce the number. At this point, we have to narrow it down, but the point that was that last time we narrowed from three possible maps to two and we came up with districts possibilities based on these maps. And then based on that, there was some tweaking on the maps, right? Some maps got adjusted to because of the district in issue. So I think at this point we have to look at the maps again that we had with the district possibilities and discard the ones that we think that don't satisfy these principles. I don't know if people agree with this way of proceeding, but I would try to go, we have way too many maps and I would like to go fast too. The ones that are obvious that that don't make sense. Tracy. And then Marlene. So I guess with the criteria, I don't know whether, I mean, there are a lot of good criteria here and a number of them deal with marginalized communities, you know, districts that are under counted and things. And our criteria that we are required to use, like according to the information that was sent by town council, is that we are just supposed to be using the 2000 census data. Yeah. Even though that is like a single point in time, we already know that there are things that are no longer correct about it, you know, including, for example, like North Village is now no longer a residence, you know, there are new residences that weren't in the 2020 census. So I don't know whether we, there were any of the, I think they're all excellent criteria and I would love to include them all, but I don't know whether it makes sense to, you know, as we're going forward and we're justifying what we did, both to the council and to the state, if we want to continue to have like all eight criteria. And also there, I mean, we have been talking recently about trying to more evenly distribute the voters, which is not something that I saw in the criteria. So they say item five, not about item five, it's item five. Marilyn, you had a comment? Well, I did go through, I went through a couple of the maps and it was the option A, now map one, the only option where the districts corresponded closely approximated the current districts was option B. So if that's one of our higher level principles, I would say for map one, A and C are out. Okay, Peggy, and then I need to see the maps. I don't remember by heart, Peggy. So when I proposed the criteria, I was not suggesting that we necessarily follow them all. They are, some of them are mutually exclusive to each other. I was putting them out because I thought that we were all following them without necessarily saying that, that I think we need to, as Marilyn said, we need to be clear on what our priorities are. So for Marilyn, it's clearly a priority to have the districts fit as closely as possible to pass districts. That's not necessarily my priority, but that's clearly coming through that, so we have different ideas. I think the way to do it is to actually follow what their energy has said, which is to look at the maps, talk about them briefly, see what we can discard and see what we can land on as a small number going forward. And I would say, I would want, I agree with Tracy that I would prefer to put out more than one, because I think that it's really hard for the public and for the council to look at a map without having some sense of something to compare it to. So if the only thing they're comparing it to is our current map, they're gonna get a skewed idea of what might be possible. Yeah, I want to clarify, that's why I put my map back again yesterday, just to compare it so that people could compare it to what the state doesn't actually want, but how districts could look compact, even though there's things, Craig? I have to apologize, but I'm out here in California because of a death in the family, and I have to attend to some things that I can't stay on the meeting. So I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to attend to my family. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Okay, we still have Corey, Marilyn? I know it's only been three years, but I do think that people sort of affiliate with their districts, and I think that's one of the things that the district councilors are trying to accomplish is to get some sense of identity within your district. So it's not just for the councilors, but I think it's for the people who live in these districts to have some sense, as I said, to have some sense of identity and with the people in their neighborhoods and they're precinct in their district. And I think it's gonna be a difficult learning curve if we upend this and rearrange everything, especially, I mean, it's acceptable on the edges. And I don't know how other people feel about that. So I mean, one of the reasons I propose that option B, Marilyn, that you're talking about is because it does keep the current payers. And I don't know whether with Hickey's MAP2, the MAP2, like whether she would feel comfortable keeping the current payers just as an option to show the public, that's not a priority for me, like based on the data that I've looked at, like including the voter distribution, but I can understand why some people might feel that way. So I would be one of those versions of the MAP that show that, but I would also like to show some alternatives, particularly if Mike is able to provide some of the data related to the voting and show it spatially like how it would work out in the different configurations. In fact, one of the public comments was regarding that was to try to see if they could about the voter, if they could see some voter, that should not be our guiding principle, but we're interested in seeing the voter turn out or trying to even out more the voter turnout. For me, I'm not attached to the districts. I still think on precincts. I don't think in districts, the districts were created three years ago and I understand for the town councilors might be a change, but again, the state is gonna be doing with again at the state level. So our state representatives might change even. So I think what we have to do is to do the best for the town and not for the town councilors. I know for the town councilors, I think that's part of my point. It's the people living in these districts have some identification with their district and their district councilors. But I think that that may vary, like depending on who you talk to, because in some districts, I know for example, in district three, which I am a member of, like so in the voter turnout in district three is small, like for precinct four and precinct 10, it's quite small, but there are people, there are very devoted like neighborhood groups. Precinct 10 has a neighborhood association. They have tons of social events. They have in those that go out all the time and there's connections in precinct four too. They are so much smaller and smaller than the number. There's physically smaller geographically and they're smaller in the number of voters, but there's some people who would like to keep them as close to what they currently are. Like even though the, even though, I mean, in some ways, for people to get elected in those districts, the fact that you only need to have, you can have so many fewer votes. I mean, I don't feel so comfortable with that for other districts, but then there's people in other districts who've said that they don't feel like, I mean, for example, does district five just cover such a large area? Does district five as it is work? Does it, you know, are people who live on East Hadley Road? How connected are they to the people at the like the far end of Bay Road? And I mean, just, and a lot of Amherst Woods is in district five. Like how is that all like one cohesive area? I think some people may feel, I think it's possible that some of those larger districts and I don't live in one of them, but maybe people are more connected to some of their neighborhoods. You know, and as you said, to some of the precincts or the sub precincts areas and they are to like the whole district, but I mean, if people who live in the larger districts want to speak to that, I just don't know what their experience is, but. Thank you. I'm in the largest district and I think we should look at the maps. Okay, let's go and look at the map. Mike, are you able? So we have, let's look at some order. So right now on, I think we can skip the ones I created by hand on the discarded maps. Those were just to create a sense of contrast, but I don't think anybody is willing to go with that. So we have map one, version three with multiple pages, map one, version four, map two, version three, map three, version one. Yes, Tracy. Four, whatever, map one, map three. So we can just discard that, they're literally the same map. So the map, the map one PDF, it got added a fourth page, like map one, version four, which is literally the same map as map three, version one. And I had asked Mike to put it in a separate packet because all of those map ones all have the same precincts and then they group the districts differently. And that version four, so we can just. Version four is Peggy's version. Oh, sorry, okay. Peggy tweaked your, a version of your maps. I'm sorry. Yeah, yes. So yeah, tell me which maps we want to look at side by side first because. That's confusing, okay. Because earlier map one, version four was a version of map three, so. Yep, yep. So, I have a suggestion since map three, version one and map one, version four are the latest ones that are tweaked. Some previous ones, shall we start by the latest ones that have improvements? Sure. Sure, okay. Or. Okay. On the left is, can you guys see my screen? On the left is map three, version one. And on the right is map one, version four. Okay. So. So Peggy from map one, version four, could you explain the differences with the other map? Mike, can you make them a little bigger within the. I would actually ask just because I haven't seen map one, version four before. Could we, could we just compare map one, version three and map one, version four, or whatever. I mean, just looking at it at the precinct level just so I understand what the, yeah. Okay. Aside from the districts, but just the precincts. Okay, so the reason I tweaked this is I like some of the features of Tracy's map in particular based on some of the feedback we were getting, like North Amherst, I wanted to, I liked how North Amherst was more North, had more North on it. And I don't know, there were just a number of things, but I was concerned about the Fearing Street, Lincoln Street neighborhood, which now several people have commented on is a very close neighborhood. I wasn't happy about the breakup there. And let's see, I don't know, there were a number of things. So I, what I did was I changed district, I'm sorry, precinct 10, which had just been mostly Southwest and a little bit next to it and made it larger to include that whole neighborhood. So it's not getting broken up. And I actually separated from four. Right now it's connected to four. And the reason that I separated is because if we look at the voting records, four and 10 have the lowest voter turnout of all the precincts. And so keeping them together, I appreciate that it's a neighborhood thing, but in terms of a voter, you know, equity thing, it's not great to have them together. So, so, so what this basically the districts are is that the one and three are together. I also took away one of the dorms from three because of the large number of students that live off campus and North Amherst. So in times of trying to balance that. And let's see, what else did I do? I don't know, I just thought she moved in. Tracy, she moved a total of 35 blocks. She changed 35. So. That sounds very small compared to, you know. Well, the biggest, the biggest area of change is exactly what Peggy mentioned right here in 10. And it's, but all the other little things are like tiny little changes like here and there spread across them, but a total of 35. And with having to have each precinct under 4,000, I mean, you change one block and you automatically have to change like, I don't know, 10 or 20. It's a domino effect. Exactly. Yeah. So one more thing I wanted to say about it is that, yeah, and then I'll take questions is that I was trying very hard to balance residence halls in as many, to distribute residence halls in as many districts as possible. I know that's not where all the students live. I know that students in various apartment complexes also don't vote, but we don't really have data for that. And so it just, I just felt like distributing residence halls was the best I could do. And I'm disappointed that the 910 district, it's district four on this map has as many people in residence halls as it does. It has over 5,000 and that's way more than I wanted. The average would be 3,000 per district. But I'm pleased that the rest of the districts all come in at around 2,000 or between two and 3,000. So there is a fair amount of uniformity except for that middle one. And I wish I could bring that down, but I'm not sure how to do that. Okay. Questions? I have a question. I can't see the map clearly enough, but the Emily Dickinson, that historic neighborhood, is that all in one precinct or in the same district? Because that's the other historic district that we have. On this map, map one version four, it looks to be Maryland. Yeah. So that that goes up and down Main Street, both sides of the street, down towards the railroad tracks on Main Street. I must say, I like the map. I think it takes, I think it has taken things from all the other maps. So maybe just since people are looking for the first time, maybe, Mike, can you make it larger? Map one version four? Do we want to talk more? Yes. I see people squared into the computer, so. I mean, it's so hard because Amherst is such a, can I rotate Amherst 90 degrees? And then it'll be really big. How many times have I tried to do that actually? It's not my screen. I can't tell you. So I get, so one comment I have about this map is that so it doesn't, it keeps some of the districts the same, right? So one in three and two and six and, but then in the middle, right? Oh, and I guess nine and fives. No, no, no, they're not the same. So one thing I was thinking about just with South Amherst is that it does connect the South Amherst precinct, the precinct eight, like with five and five goes all the way like to almost to UMass. Is that right? Yes. It includes the Amherst College dorms and then it goes like pretty close to UMass along like triangle and things. So. Yes. I guess, I guess a question would be how do the people who are covered, you know, in precinct eight like feel about being so connected to that? I mean, like demographically, it's pretty different than part, but the downtown district is, I'm a precinct is pretty different than some of the, some parts of precinct eight. But Tracy, all of them, they have the same thing. It's North Amherst. If you take at the end of market Hill Road, it's going to be very different from North Pleasant next to the campus. And that's going to be one district. So all that's the nature of. Yeah, no, I understand. So it's not just as Amherst, it's North Amherst as well. That's the nature of our town. I would also, as the, as the only resident here of South Amherst, I appreciate your comment, Tracy, because I've been thinking about that a lot about wanting to make sure that various areas of town feel that they are represented and not necessarily co-opted by another area to which they're connected. Right. So to have, you know, both counselors from district five in this case, elected from the center of town that wouldn't feel that great. And I, that's right. It wouldn't feel that great. On the other hand, the other option is to have a district, which is only South Amherst. And in that case, we end up with way, way more voters than anybody else. So it's a trade off. And I think I'm coming in on the, I think it's a good idea to have a, a diverse district and run the risk of, of a counselor that doesn't come from my neighborhood. And I will just speak, I mean, to your. You're muted. The new version of the map, I created map three, like it does. It does something somewhat similar where it's connecting South Amherst to that section between Southeast street and South pleasant street up to the center of town. And I, the North end of mine is college street. And I didn't go beyond, I didn't go north of college street. And one reason, one reason I did that is I was trying to have more, an additional South Amherst precincts. But also because, because I mean that, that section going up from like meal laying like North to college street is that, you know, there's, there's a graph park and things, but then I mean, there's the Amherst college dorms and again, so that the voter, the number of voters wouldn't be that large. Like, so in terms of that, in terms of five, it is predominantly Amherst college. And then there's some of the, I mean, there's rental housing in those neighborhoods north of the college, like up to triangle. So. Yeah, I just wanted Peggy to explain the diversity that you're talking about. Can you be more specific within your map for South Amherst? I'm a resident of South Amherst as well. And, you know, I, so what areas you're talking about are more diverse? Oh, I wasn't speaking to that actually. I am in my map. What I was trying to do overall was to hopefully have some of the housing complexes where the greater numbers of people of color are not split into every, you know, they're not split into a lots of different districts because it felt like that would lessen their voice. So part of my map is to have colonial village rolling green and village park are all in one district. And then North Amherst where there are a lot of other various areas where we have higher residents of other ethnicities and of color are also together in a district. So in terms of what I was just saying about diversity, what I meant was, was saying more like a rural urban thing that in my map, what I have is South Amherst in the deep red is, I'm thinking of is more urban. I'm sorry, it's more rural. And the green that it's connected to is more urban. And so potentially the people in one part of that district or the other might feel like they weren't getting represented if both counselors came from the other part. Oh, I see what you're saying. Because colonial villages. No, I see it. And then the Palma Roy Lane. Forget what those apartments are called. And then court or whatever. And then across here on West Street as well somewhere. Let's see. Oh, Southeast Street. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so those are boundaries. So I don't think that Peggy's moved around that part of the map. So I did. A lot of the precincts were the ones that I had come up with four. And the reason I extended that precinct, precinct seven out to work like along Shastry, which just had, it had to do with related to Crocker farm. And just connecting the air, the sending area for Crocker farm. To include Mount Holyoke drive and those things just south of Mike's hand there that are all part of the Crocker farm neighborhood. And so. The voters, you know, the voters in precinct seven, they currently vote at Crocker farm. And there are other versions of the map that cut off precinct seven at. So then Crocker farm would technically be outside of that. So I was just trying to extend it a little bit to reflect like those neighborhoods. But I mean, I, I like, I, there's a lot I like about the map. And I like that. You've connected, you know, address some of the issues with sunset and Lincoln and faring and things, including them. We just heard tonight, like a comment from somebody who lives in faring. I guess my preferred version of this map though would. Link. Precinct. I'm in precinct four and 10 as district three. Still, but just. Tell me why. Just based on the feedback that I've gotten from the, the neighborhood, just that. Like the people really. So if we can zoom back in, Mike. Yep. Sorry. It's another. Yeah. Yeah. Full screen mode. I'm just so. So one of the things is that. I mean, people. So amity, like it splits along amity street and people on the nap, the south side of Amma street and. The north side of Amity street. To each other. Just as, as a neighborhood. And so. And, and one, I mean. You know, one of our, one of our counselors live in the blue. In the new precinct 10 and one live in precinct four. And so it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, you know, it's just one perspective. Yeah. So Tracy. Then if that was the case, if you were. Connecting those two. Then you have a home. Precinct district. Or. Right. Then you have to. You know, You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, this kind of like design. Or, right. Then you have to connect. The green. The olive ones with the yellow one. And then connect the purple. So, if you were going to, if you were going to. I guess my preferred. Version of this map over. This one. I mean to what Marilyn had raised earlier is about keeping the precincts and the district pairing the way they are now, despite the issues with them. So, I mean, that was one reason I came up with that other version of map three. I will have an issue about South Amherst, but about. I understand. So that's why I But I think the base layer is good. And I mean, I would agree, like with this version of the precincts so I have a suggestion, not a motion of suggestion, we can briefly look at the other ones, but I think there's agreement so far that people like these precincts. And one option would be to start playing. We have this as a top contender for the precincts, and then then we can have more options with the, with the districts. But first before doing that, I would like to have a quick plan over all the other ones to see if there's anything that we are missing. So the other. Yeah, I mean there are a few other pairings that we could try and that I had looked at the version of the map that I came up with so. Okay. Thank you. So we want to look at side. So I had, geez. Map three version one this is your updated right correct Tracy. Yes. Yeah, that's the totally, that's a different one. So I guess the question for Peggy is does Peggy feel like she wants to continue with map to like versions of map to, or that you would want to go with map one version for Well, if I'm choosing I prefer map one version four. Nothing you have to choose. But just as we're trying to eliminate like some of the options. You're asking me to choose among my children. I feel the same way. Can I go back to mine. So Tracy, this one is very different in the north. Right. Yes. I mean I based some of that. I based them a bit on your map. Yes. So I think there are things I like on this one. I think there are things that we might get pushed back on this on the green or the finger. I can explain that though. We can might give you zoom in really closer even on the interactive maps. I haven't, I haven't published this one on the interactive map yet. Well, so one of the challenges with this. Oh, so we're showing all the street layer. But so that that protrusion area that goes along North Hampton Road. The most westerly part of that is Amherst college fields, including the Amherst college like soccer field lacrosse field and the football fields. And it's also this weird. If we pull up the interactive map you can see there's like this weird little extension of it past the fields like into those neighborhoods to the right. It also includes orchard and Woodside and things the neighborhood just to the east of the fields. So it's pretty connected to Amherst college and so. And that's why I left it in precinct five, which is also connected to Amherst college because the Amherst college doors are reflected along the north of North Hampton road to the west of North Pleasant street some of those are dorms and so on. And also running along North Hampton road there's some dorm blocks and there too including that are under the border lines. And so it looks funny and I mean and so if we want to make the lap map look more visually less protruding in that area, you know, it's possible. So there is this weird census block as I said but it's possible to maybe take away, you know, change one of the change the most westerly part to be in precinct three and in this, I'm sorry and precinct for like district three and balance it somewhere else. But at the same time, I feel like we could justify it pretty well, like for why it's the way it is just because of Amherst college and it might work better than the alternatives, practically speaking in terms of like keeping the neighborhood together. But I can actually I'll just pull up that one section. If people have questions about that. I have a question while you're pulling it up. Where's the single unit occupancy residents, or structure going to be in relationship to that map I know it's close to the stadium but I'm not the interest cause the street is on the other side of the street. Okay, so it's actually it would be in the, it would be in the purple. Oh, actually, I'm sorry, it would actually be in the red. It would be in the, I'm sorry, it would be in precinct five. It would be a long North Hampton road. Kind of like where Mike is. Yeah, because it's surrounded it's yeah it's in the green. It's surrounded by the football stadium. Okay, the field property to the south. It is on it is on the south side of North Hampton. It is across it is across from sunset. Okay, roughly between sunset and Lincoln and it's very close to orchard. What is the street that is right to the right of Mike's arrow, the north south street that's orchard so it's like right where the arrow is, or here's white arrow is. In addition, I mean in that area you also have the new development from Barry Roberts which is opens across from stop and shop and that is in the pink or the purple. So that's there it replaced Amherst Motel. So at the time that the census was done that was not open and Amherst Motel was still open. Okay. And greens green leaves is also along there so green leaf is in the pink as well. Yeah, it's in this area three. So I can't see the combinations but is the green. What district is that in the. In my version of the map I connected the downtown area like triangle main street and stuff to the area including Amherst Woods. If that's now it's in our city of here. Which, which hill. No, they like where Mike is looking right now where the four is. Echo Hill and Amherst Woods and I connected them that way. Okay, so those are both large voting precincts I'm not sure you want to go there. If it's for and if it's what is currently precinct six and precinct eight. That's a huge population of voting, a voting population. So that where Mike is now is that precinct six I don't think so. Now that's precinct five more and and some precinct nine I used to live on near the high school and that was precinct nine and so that olive color has merged sections of precinct five and sections of precinct nine together. Okay, and where's precinct eight is that in the same district. Precinct eight is South Amherst and that is in district five. So what this map did is it, it took Amherst Woods south of Beltertown Road and instead of having it be in precinct eight, it put it in precinct six to say that it's more East Amherst than South Amherst. And so, and that's how you created these three separate sections that go into quote South Amherst south of downtown. And I'm a little confused. Okay, so I'm presently in what the area the area I live in, right, you live on Echo Hill, right, you're currently in six right right I'm in six and it's labeled so this is part now part of district four. And is that inclusive of the Amherst Woods area to includes most of Amherst Woods except for the section down near station road. I couldn't fit all of, I couldn't fit all of it in. Like there's one street that didn't go in to. Okay, so if you're, if you're concerned about voting. I mean, those are both areas that have very large percentages of people who vote. Which areas. Well, the Amherst Woods and Echo Hill. So what's now labeled for the Amherst Woods and Echo Hill. I mean, I think we have a very would probably people might object because of the voter turnout in those two areas. Yeah, I think I think that's where it's helpful to look at them. I get I was trying to, I mean, I did that division because I was trying to separate Amherst Woods from other parts of the South Amherst district because South Amherst just has a large number of voters in general. I just wanted to add just had a couple comments. There's a lot of things I like about this map. One of the things that puzzles me though is that that middle that dark green precinct is right in the center of town and it's snug up against UMass and I don't think there's a single residence hall in it and that just feels like a lost opportunity. Like that's a, that's a place where it would be easy to put some students. I mean, there's some Amherst College residence halls, but when I added them up that ends up being like 500 students. So I'm just, I think there are student residence halls in there. Okay, I can double check the numbers, but I think in the like the north part of that olive color, like there's some residence halls. I didn't see him. Can you zoom in, Mike? Yeah. Unfortunately, this is not on the interactive map yet. I did this today. So that's North Pleasant going up. That's common, or that's Mass Ave. I don't know. I don't know. I have to, yeah. There might be a couple little ones, right? West of North Pleasant, but the big ones are all north into, which actually works for me. Like it works for me to put all those up there, but so I guess my main concern here is that, again, by putting four and 10 together and I hear why you want to do that, you've put the two precincts that have the lowest voting turnout together and you've put in South Amherst, you've taken Amherst towards that. So that's, that'll help a little bit, but you've put all of Amherst, South Amherst together and they have the highest generally voter turnout. So again, it just feels like these particular districts are going to be really uneven. And so I'm wondering whether there's a way to rework the center of town where the three, I'm sorry, four and 10 or district three gives up a bunch of Southwest perhaps to the green. And then everything else gets shifted to accommodate that. So that, oh, I see. Yeah. So that we, so that a bunch of, you know, that so we boost up the districts three here with a lot of people who aren't in residence halls and shift those over somehow. I don't know, I had, I would have to look at it but No, sure. That's just wondering whether that might be possible. Right. I can take a look too. It's hard with Southwest though because I'll just pull up the interactive map for a second. It's hard with Southwest because there's that one census block in Southwest that has the 2512 people. Yeah, and then you can't really like get around it. And it's like taking up most of the East West connection and then like the other ones don't connect and all that stuff. So that's one thing I liked about the way arena had split. A new version of precinct 10 you came up with Peggy better than what you and I both had originally with just mainly that 2512 block and two other blocks one of which had like 700 and something people and one of which had 300. Because what Renee had did is she took the 701 which is to the north of the 2512 and she put it into a precinct that went to the West. And that distributed a little better just because 700 is such a large number like for the residential that residential neighborhood outside of the dorms and so it does extend. It allows us to extend precinct 10, like into more residential areas instead of right at the dorms. So I'm just going to, I'm just going to take a minute and like pull. So, I would like to see a consensus I'm hearing about from the rest of the members, I think we have several maps where precinct 10 was just at the center. And nothing else I think what I'm hearing is that we are moving away from those maps into maybe we should concentrate in these two maps I want to hear from everybody to see if that's the case. And these are the two that we should be tweaking. Peggy. Yeah, I'm comfortable with going forward with these two. I get, let me just say again that my feeling is that we should be thinking about where we want the districts. And then once we know where the districts are we divide the districts into precincts. So, So in as much as we can do that with these two maps. I'm good. Okay. Tracy. Yeah, I mean, I think that I, I would be happy to go forward with these two districts. I hear the concern that Peggy, Peggy raised about the way that that new map the map three is created. So, yeah. And so I think it is, you can't really separate the districts and the precincts just because right we need to do the precincts for the fourth. I do think the districts are more important. I know when I was looking at map three that I didn't in like in my area, like in district three, I didn't focus so much on oh this block is in precinct 10 oh this block is in precinct four because I knew that they were going to be combined into the districts, the district three and and the reason I continue to, you know, sort of advocate, even though I think there's some issues. I think because I was trying to balance out the voters more. It's just, just from talking to people in my district they just feel strongly about it being continuing to be like their districts, as it is, even though, even though there is a voter imbalance. So, Marlene. So, go ahead. Sorry. Yeah, I mean, I mean, if we can consider sort of recombining some of the precincts into, you know, aligning them so that in the districts where they presently exist and I don't know that either of those maps have the current district assignments. But I think, you know, we have to start somewhere so if we want to start here, I don't have a problem with but I am concerned about our time that we have, you know, a little over half an hour to move forward and I'm not sure that we're making a lot of progress. Yeah. I agree with everything that's been said so far. I think these are two good maps to use moving forward. I think I want to keep an eye on the central Amherst area that is also the area like I know best sort of the center of town, because that's where I live. But I agree with what's been said by everyone so far. Okay, so at this point I think that we hear consensus that these are the two maps that we are looking, and we are trying to adjust looking at precincts and districts based on these two maps and not the other maps that we had. Right now. I think we need to look at districts and we need to look at precincts. We need to look at the fact that I think the map three version one might have some issues raised by the state because of the fingers. Particularly on the only one. I think that is going to be a flag that was going to be raised. Can I just show like why so the main finger on the olive one is this thing along North Hampton road right does it feel like there's other fingers to know that one. So can I just want to pull that up in the interactive map is the possible for me to share my screen for a moment. Yeah I think so. Okay. Let me see, we might need to promote you me me stop sharing. Okay, I can share my screen. Okay. All right. So what I was running up to when I was looking at this one is so this is a section that we're talking about here along North Hampton road. Right and as I said so this is Amherst College, you know which I had put into that precincts eight. Again because there's not that many voters in that area and then it connects to South Amherst and this is all Amherst College and then these here. 47 is just such a. Yeah. Sorry, I just want to figure out a way just to show it without. Yeah, you can see it. Yeah, I mean so 47 is just an odd shape. Right that includes the fields and then it includes a little bit of housing to the West, including the street hazel avenue which I think is probably predominant. There's a few homeowners. So predominantly I think students, but so I could move 47 I could move this one with 47, like into, you know I could put it in one of the other districts, but then I just didn't want to cut cut it off. I mean so this is this is this is Amherst College fields to and then this is this neighborhood. The neighborhood that I know Mary Manny Joe Henneke had brought up around Woodside and orchard and things. One version of my map I had taken that census block with the 20. And I had put it into. I hadn't kept it in five, like this whole area is currently all in five, you know but we're we're shifting the population a little bit with the changes that you master downtown. The thing with this, the one with 20 is that it's actually only one. There's actually only one home. There's only one home along Orchard Street. So, Tracy, that that is. Uh huh. Go ahead. I think that this 47. Considering that they are the fields in between. Right. Make my sense to make it. So if you just remove that part. The 47. Okay. So the partition doesn't doesn't look as big. No, I know exactly. Okay. So then the partition doesn't look as big and then the shape is more compact. Yeah, and considering that there is considering that the, the, the, the fields are in between. There might be much more sense to be next to that. Yes. So then what we would do, I mean 47 then would go into the precinct, this precinct. Okay. And this precinct. My understanding is hazelab I think it's residential and I think it's a large African American population. Historically, that's where there have been a lot of African Americans. I don't know if they're still there, but. There is a historic neighborhood because that was one of the only places that African Americans were able to live. And that also those historic neighborhoods extend North Hampton Road to that is no longer the case. That neighborhood, it's about 1015 houses. It predominantly consists of student rentals at this moment. I'm surprised that it was a historic district originally. Okay, I thought it still was. I think it's still, it's a currently a historic district. I think they, it was a, like the latest historic district, we should check that, but I believe it is now. It is a historic district still. And what I'm saying is that the current residents like don't reflect that history. Oh, absolutely. Is it important to keep the historic district together when it's not, when the residents are different at this time? Okay, I see what you're mean. Yeah, they're the mainly student rentals. Okay. So, and also in that, and also in that area, Tracy, there's a new, the new affordable housing unit going up on North Hampton Road, right? Yeah, that's the one that's in the 20 block. That's in the 20 block. Okay, I couldn't remember exactly where it was. Yeah, that's in the 20 block. Yeah. So, can we go back to the maps? Yes. So, if in the map on the left, that would take the last two blocks, right? Um, so that would just take the one block because remember how I showed you how 47 and that weird thing that goes, that goes all the way to like South Pleasant Street. Yeah, so I can, I can look at where to move that to, and I also want to look at Peggy's question about does this precinct that all of precinct include any dorms? Because I think that was an important question too. I can look at that more. If we look at the rest of the map, there's big differences on over there, where you have the arrow, comparing the two maps. So, even if you add up by district, the border moves south considerable on the west side. I don't know if that's just the mainly empty or there is, that's how you must come because I think that's mainly non-residential area, right? Yes. Okay. So, since there is an issue of geometry. Yeah, it's a governor's drive, right? So that's like the main part of campus. Yes. It does that the lower section of that north of Mass App does include the common with college dorms. Okay. Which are about 900, 900 bits. Okay. Yes, I'm just trying to look because the other big difference is to geographically two is very different, right? In one you have a echo hill and in the other one you stay to town, right? Yes. Yes. And then South Amherst in one case is split into South Amherst minus the west side, a little bit. Yeah, the one on the right, you're talking about districts, right, Irina, when you're referring? Yes. Yeah, so on the one on the map on the right, South Amherst goes all the way up beyond college street, you know, in the center of town goes all the way up almost to the roundabout in the middle of town versus on the map on the left it kind of ends at college street right here. Right. And then you also have to think about that there's, I mean, that's Amherst college right to the south of your arrow, Mike, and then, and then there's this open area with graph park and so on and then you're back in South Amherst. Right. Yeah. And I made that northern boundary at college street intentionally. Yeah, but but it doesn't I mean to what Peggy brought up before right is includes the Amherst college storms but it doesn't. Right. So, I have a question and I'm okay with both maps, I think, I think we'd like to know about the, the voter registration, but to turn out I think that's what many people have been asking just when we're making the decisions. I'm concerned that on the one on the left, we might get red flags because of the narrowness of connecting. Well, now the connection between on for that connection right here. Yes, we might get a red flag. Well, they're only going to be looking at precincts they're not going to be districts. So, I'm just, you know, listening to everything that you guys are saying and I'm just trying to look at things, kind of from a higher level. I would say that just from a completely amateur naked eye here that the blocks, the precincts on the map on the right are more that rounded shape that Sue was referring to earlier. The precincts are versus, you know, the orange one here is it's, it doesn't have fingers and tails protruding but it is more of like an elongated shape and the same thing with the blue one here and I know we're going to tidy up the olive shape, but I'm not saying they are going to be issues but I think we're more likely to hear that there are issues with shapes of precincts on the map on the left then we would by submitting the map on the right. So, just my opinion. I mean I guess just speaking to that though like I, I feel like if we look at the current, if we look at our current map. There are some like protrusions and things in the current map I think just given the nature of Amherst. I mean I hear what you're saying. I absolutely agree. But like can you just, I mean just, Mike can you just pull up like our current precinct map just. Yes, give me just a second. Give me just a second. And I'm not, just to make sure that I'm clear I'm not saying that they will have issues. I'm not saying, I'm saying that if they were to compare the two side by side. Oh, the one on the right is more rounded, and the one on the left has more elongated shapes. No, I understand that. We're not going to give them to. We're not giving the state to I think we'll give. Let's give them, let's give them eight. Let's give them eight. You might give the council to. I mean I guess the question is, do we need to do, would it be advantageous for us to show the state to maps or. No, no, no, we should give them one. Tracy, we should give one and also to the council, we only give one. Yeah, yeah. If not, it's not that the council has. It's not that they choose. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think we could, couldn't we give the council one and say we also looked at the options. I'm not sure. I sort of feel like the council, some of the council members like to look at the data lot themselves. And so I feel like some of them may say, what about these other options and again, just because I think also when it goes to the council, that's also when the public will see it the most. They have those options now though. I mean, I understand where all the information is. And I've been calling for meeting so. So yes, on the current map there's this really weird precinct one. And I believe I was not here during the last time I believe that there was some back and forth about that tail on priests between precinct one and precinct three with the state and with the town the previous go rounds. And they had, they had to justify it. So. So, Mike, can I say, but can you put the map, this one, and for example, let's look, this one compared to maybe the last one, the other one, the one that is more compact. Yeah, Peggy's map. Peggy's map. We call them Peggy's. Peggy's map. Peggy's map is here. Your hand is raised. Yeah, so you can hide the one, the map three and put the map one version four. Peggy, you had your hand raised, you have a comment. I just wanted to, I'm noting the time it's 20th. And so after this, perhaps we could decide our next steps. Yes. But I wanted to, to, because we know, I just, I wanted to look at the comparison of how they look. And I, can I just real quick. Yes. Just want to remind everyone of our charge. It's to propose a district team map. So singular one map. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So when, when, the last time I looked at the data, I haven't compare, compared that, that Peggy's map, map, you know, one version four, compared with the map one version three. Like when I had looked at the numbers before, it just changed about 20%. In terms of the, in terms of population changing precincts, it changes about 20% of the population changes precincts. And if we look at that new map that I had come up with the map three, it changes like significantly more than that, because it was just trying to really, you know, reshape some of the Precincts in the district. So, I mean, that's something to consider, like how close we want it to try to stay. What I see in the one here on the right. It does have some changes. Okay, the first thing is we had big population changes. So we're going to have to change for the fact we have precincts go up by 1500 we have precincts go down by 700 so we have to move the boundaries of the precincts, no matter what. Right. It's not that we can stay. That's for the fact that the population changes and that's why we are doing the redistricting. On average, these two, they do have changes particularly on the south because it's splitting is rearranging and leave it, but otherwise, in other places is staying as close as possible that thing as you can be like North Amherst is North as the East Amherst is staying quite similar. Correct me if I'm wrong on my reading of the two maps. East Amherst is on North Amherst like that whole like High Point neighborhood right. Yes, that is changing. It's changing. But it's, ah, but it's changing. It's doing the same districts. Except some part of person to now are part of person one. Right. So except that, but I think that's not there's not a lot of population out there. But also, I think it did. That makes sense the way it's group now versus before. And we received that one comment right from somebody who lives in North Amherst. Yeah. So that now South Amherst and maybe the biggest change is that pricing seven and prison eight under these districts would not be together. And the prison seven has shifted and that's reflected the changing population and Hampshire College. We have a big so that's why the big changes in this area. I think the big changes on the West is still mainly to the big changes in population has happened on the West side of town. Hampshire College has gone down and more in the center that has gone up. So a couple of questions. What would it look like if we rearranged map one version for so that they would have the same combination of precincts within districts. One of the things I've observed is that we have two districts. Actually, well, there's district five has only is less than 7800. District two has just 7800. There's, you know, do we want to build particularly the 77 62 do we want to increase is there any way we could increase that. So it's above 7800 perhaps, you know, decreasing. What's district three is there any way we can tweak district three and move some of those into district five, but particularly in that little wedge to the east. And why do you want to do that. Well, just so they're more balanced in terms of population. It says that as long as we're within like the 5%. I understand that is in room to tweak it and district three as it is looks, you know, it looks like it's got a finger or protrusion. I think I don't know what streets those are and whether it's possible to take some of those people. Yeah, right around there. That's the one that I said that I connected because of Crocker farm. I think, I think part of the reasoning is also to split so that because of water, turn out of registration. So then, if not one again because heavier in the one that has more water. I know that that's no part of the charge, but that's a sub resident. I mean, I feel like I would agree with that since since precinct eight has the highest turnout of anybody in town. I don't think we want to make that any bigger than possible. In fact, we may want to make it smaller in terms of population. Tracy, I mean, so that was one thing I had looked at in that other map three is just about like, possibly keeping Hampshire college like in just in the precinct seven. You know, splitting up a little or like a Renee's map had actually gone all the way down to include like Applewood and so on and taking Applewood out of precincts. So I mean, so that was one of the things that map three did. It's just, it's hard to make it all balance. But, but that's why I had looked at that a little bit. So, I mean, one of the big one of the big challenges with this precinct seven as it is. And this is why on the map three, I went and I made the purple precinct go all the way down to East Hadley Road. Between North and South of East Hadley Road in Orchard Valley and so on to like split to have the numbers balance. Okay, so it's 748 and we need to come to a decision so we have maybe one and a half meetings and so we need to sign in on one map. Or two and work on the districts and the possibilities and whether they need to be a change because I think next time we have to start writing the report. Yes. Right that that's my timeline next week we have to start writing in the report and the justification so I think we need to come to an agreement. I don't know how do we feel. I think everybody found that these two maps were. Okay, and now how we want to concentrate efforts in one of these two maps and look at possible combination of districts moving forward, or we keep both maps on the table. And look at the combination of districts. I think we should keep both maps on the table. I think people should look at all of the different things that we bring to this for coming from all over town that's the idea to look at it in terms of your neighborhood in terms of your district look at it in terms of voter registration or voter turnout look at it in terms of all the, you know, whatever. I'm wondering, can we also like post these in the library, or something. This is our last chance to get voter input. Yeah, public comment is between now and next Tuesday so if we can just, you know, get that. And then next Tuesday we make a decision and start the report. I would also suggest if we're going to post it that we may want to add some of that information like voter turnout, and each of these proposed districts, you know, historically what it's been or maybe just, you know, the last election, just so that people have some context and maybe the old district or precinct line so they can see what's happened with their respective neighborhoods. I mean, I, I, I wonder the old one, I agree that we should have maybe information but I think we have to put into context that we cannot keep the old ones because of no longer satisfy so I'm wondering, people might say I want to keep mine. As it is I don't want to change it. If they haven't been following when that option is out of the table. So this American create confusion. Okay, so I guess one question I have for, you know, I'm not sure if it's both of them. Do we want to see what the numbers would look like if we use the old district configuration because I know there's a couple of places I think in map one version for where they, the precincts map into the old districts, just a couple of exceptions I forget which it is that I was looking at it. What if we were to provide another option where it's reconfigured to reflect the old former districts with the existing boundaries. I don't know what you mean like with the existing pairs because I don't think you can go back to the district one would be one and three, one and three to district two and six. Yeah, yeah, so that was the one that you would look at Marilyn where it was like the map one like with the option be right so where we kept the old districts just just show what that looks like. I mean I, I do think it is helpful to show people what the old pairs would look like, even if we're chain, you know, even though there's reasons that we've changed it. So, Mike, I have a question for you. How fast. So, I'm sorry. How fast. Could you add a line of information to each of these maps with the voter turnout based on the census blocks. So, can you add a line of information on these maps to this current. Or could we have it on a separate page it seems like we've got a lot of information on the map. Yeah, I think the match. I know what I'm looking at and I think it's really overwhelming. So, so one thing I could say is for. I want to share with people that they have the information about population. So instead of having this. The two tables on the left. The variance. Yeah, we could have that we could replace the variance by number of voters, the number of voters. So, I don't think we need to show the variance. I don't, yes, I don't think you need to show the variance because as long as they satisfied that, but maybe it would be possible to show the number of voters. So, just to be clear, I only have number of registered voters I don't, I don't know whether they showed up to the polls or not last. That's the thing that we can have the number of registered voters. And are we using then are we using with the issue with the students were using the active voters, not the inactive and the active voters. I don't think you. I mean, yeah, I don't know enough. I don't know enough about the data but if you're, if you're starting to include inactive. I agree. I think this is what Sue mentioned up because there's only like 26 active voters that you met. I think we have to, so we raise maybe this and a footnote or somewhere but I think with this, at least we get information in other parts of the town. Yeah, and I believe, looking at the data set there's just about 10,000 active voters in, in, in Amherst a little bit over 10,000. That's right. Yeah. And when you include inactive it, it goes up to like 20,000 or something 20,000 1616. Yeah. Yeah. So, still well below our population of 3,000 39,000 260. I mean, and that's another reason to say that we don't need 15 precincts because we don't have that many voters. Yeah, we can't use that we can't know we're not supposed to we're not that can be the argument that we make to the council, even if it's not. Yeah. But I think so moving forward the steps would be if you could add that information as a column and maybe Marlin is requesting that we in my one version for we use the parent that also does three maps. That's like the option a option B or whatever. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Okay, so we're saying. With the two, with the two versions of map one, I'm sorry with map one version four, we would want to show the the current precinct pairs, just like by the numbers, and then, and also this version, I think that was a suggestion. And then on the other map the map three, I fixed a little olive section and things that I mean it sounds like going forward like our best map is probably the map one version four like one version of it but I'm happy to take a look at map three. I mean it is a much more significant change. So, but I think I would, if we could print them as soon as possible, and display them and share it. That would be great. But I would like to, I will, I'll try to adjust the map three before we print it. Can you do it by tomorrow. I just try to address the protrusion things but I mean other Mike and others have brought up the issues with it but but it would, it would be helpful to just see it with the voter numbers. Yeah. So Mike, once you have that you have been compiling the information once you have that it's easier to make it with the layers with the sense of clock. It's going to be interesting. So I'm not, I'm not exactly sure how it's going to work out. I'm close. I'm close I'm not. I'm not there yet otherwise it would have been published so there's a couple places in town where date where the voter data is is very strange so I'm trying to figure those those places out. Okay, I mean, I will say just in general like I know that just from somebody who's worked at the polls right like some of the apartment complexes is that what you're referring to because they're their addresses and things can be pretty weird. The addresses are very strange and it can be hard and it can be hard to geocode them because because some cases it's like one street address for the whole complex and sometimes there's different street addresses for different buildings in the complex and Yeah, like Milholla and stuff is sorted in different sorted in different ways. I mean she knows, but it's right to try to find people. Right. Let me know Mike the oddball ones and I'll look them up for you and tell you what they belong. Oh I know where they all are but I had to like, I did like 9300 and whatever programmatically but then the other 700 I had to look at in chunks and kind of go through those and there's a couple of a few outliers that I can't figure out that I'm pretty close on, but then it's taking that data, taking those, those locations, and then kind of summarizing them by census block where things get pro get problem. Oh no, sure. It sounds really complicated. It's, it's very close but so one thing we should think and I know we're running out of time but if we're wanting to post these at libraries are we talking all libraries are we talking just the one in the center of town and then what should we print on the maps, because we don't really in town hall soon I we don't really have any communication with the libraries or their staff at all. So, you know, I'm concerned about people going up to the library staff and making comments and stuff, you know, we can print things and put it all over the map but people don't read. So, I mean, I guess, I guess one thing is if people are going to town hall. I mean, the Jones, the Jones library is so close to town hall. Like it's literally like two blocks away. I think it might make sense just to have it at town hall. I just thought if it was a lot more traffic, it gets a lot more traffic at the Jones true. We could just have a big sign if you have any questions asked the town clerk. That's anybody one call Tracy cell phone. Yeah. Okay, can we make us one page saying a title saying a proposed working drafts for the district in enamor space on 2020 census comments to down clerk with subject line DAB. And so would somebody would need to reach out to like Sharon Shara or the. Yeah, we will. We will. Okay. I would say we can put forth. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I think it's possible with that letter and that seat. It's not that we can make a folder and things, but if we They have a bulletin board at the entrance. I don't know if they would let us post it there. Marlene, you have a comment. You're muted. Marlene, you're muted. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your time. I just wanted to say that. I, I did take a stab at the 20, 2011 draft of the report and it's, it's, I made the changes that I could. And I highlighted what I did. And it is in, I think there's a, I forget what folder it's in, but it's, it's in folder. If anyone's seen it. Okay. Okay. Mike, the action items is Mike is going to try to put the information and the goal would be to try to have them printed by Thursday. Do you think it's possible? Yes. Okay. Great. Thank you. And then regarding the next item is timeline and the next steps and thanks Marlene for bringing up about the reports and the work. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Because I did this coming close that we have two weeks to write the report. I would ask everybody. To look at what Marlene has done. Because the idea, I would like to start writing the report next time when we are here, but it would be great if. I don't know if people want to take some ownership on some areas and try to start replacing parts of the document. Marlene, you have a suggestion. How to proceed. I think Tracy said that she would pull up the documents, any kind of correspondence we had and try to post that as well. I haven't seen that. Okay. And we could just incorporate that. I mean, I had a few, I mean, I had, I don't know if we need to, do we need to provide much explanation about 10 precincts or 15. I know that I. No, I think we probably just need the correspondence to say that this is what we decided on. Right. Yeah. I think that the population, the folks are and then the population and. And so then Mike, before you were present at the meeting, we were, we were talking about incorporating, it looked like the 2011 version of the report. I'm not sure that it included any maps besides the. Precinct map. We were talking about. The map that you had done like early on about the census plot density. Uh-huh. Like into the official report that we give to the council and the state. And I do have some suggestions like for edits of it just to like, absolutely clear it up. Yeah. Yeah. You can email those. You can email those to me and I'll slowly chip away at it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just because I thought the graphics would be really helpful to add. Okay. And, and then also I will, um, so I will send tomorrow. I'll send like a changes. If we want to continue to show the map three that I'll send like some updates to it. To try to address the concerns. But we are not changing. Map one version for it all. Correct. No. And then we'll have three version one that you're going to be making ends. Yes. Getting to me before midnight tonight. I don't know about that. It takes a long time. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. But the, um, for, for map. What whatever map. Maybe we need to call them a different name at some point or something like map A and map B or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's okay. Um, but for the map one version four. I'm just going to talk about right. Having two versions printed with different precinct pairs. Yep. Yep. I am doing that. Okay. So I'm looking at for the timeline and the writing of the report. I'm looking at what Marilyn highlighted on the text. And I'm wondering if somebody wants to. Start. Taking a stab. So my highlight is the areas. She considers that we need to be changed. And whether we create, uh, Somebody wants to start writing. Um, I mean, the report is pretty short. Right. Like when I've looked at it, it's just a few pages long. Yeah. Um, But I, again, before we submit, we need to go through a revision. revision. So ideally, I think there's a lot of the narrative that we can have ready by next meeting if we have a volunteer. So then we can start because we need to correct it before we submit it to the townhouse and then the next meeting is October. It's the fourth, right? And then so next week between and then on the 12th, we might make some correction, but that's what we are submitting to the town council. So we might need to do some corrections. Sorry, I just have a question moving forward. So I know, you know, both like in our criteria and in our discussions, we've talked about the data related to race and just franchise populations and things like that. And we haven't really looked that much of it. So I know Peggy looked at that when she was analyzing her maps too, but we haven't really looked at that with there are somewhat limited, you know, just in terms of all of our boundaries and so on. But is that something that we want to try to look at a little more before the next meeting? I do think that there could be questions about it. So I can take a stab at looking at some of that. Okay, if you can take a look, I think by my recollection, if you look at the layers that Mike created, there are several, there are at least three or four areas of high density of minorities. One is on colonial village and some parts of Echo Hill. The other one is Hadley Road. The other one is the dorms. And another one in North Somerset. And I think most of these, I might be wrong, but I think both maps, I think they keep all these areas together. You know, I think the maps do a good job. We haven't, we've tried our best to not split up neighborhoods. Okay. So on the interest of time, I could, we don't have the expression, I could try changing and start working on the on the document. But if anybody else wants to write some other narrative or some section that considers that would be helpful, please post it and then we can incorporate it in without making comments. Okay, I won't be able to tackle this until Sunday. So, but if somebody wants to get started, go ahead. I just wanted to, I wanted to explain the highlighting in the document that I did. Though anything that was in blue were changes that I made in the, in the 2011 document and the highlighting in yellow was information that's no longer relevant. Okay. And Marilyn, this is a PDF. You have a Word document or? I thought I sent it as a Word document. Okay. Okay. She posted that PDF. It's so good. What happens is I think when it gets posted a lot of times it converts to a PDF. So could you maybe send us a Word version? I probably already have it. Outside of the package. Can you send it outside the package? So if somebody wants to write a section, then we can merge the different areas. But I would say if somebody decides to work in a particular area, do let us know so that we don't duplicate the work. Okay. So what do you want me to do with it? So send the Word document to everybody. Okay. Okay. And then if any member decides to work on a particular area so that we don't duplicate the work, let the rest of the people, without commenting, we cannot comment. It says just inform. I'm going to be writing this section or working on this section. So then we don't duplicate the work. Okay. Okay. So maybe I should assign people, but I think it should be more affluent to your interest. So Padine and Patty, I'd be willing to proofread anything you would, you know, if you would need someone to just read over it's drafts. Okay. We love it. Thank you. All right. Just yeah. Thank you. Okay. Great. Thank you. So that's the next steps. I don't have any item not anticipated in before. Anybody has something that is hanging? No? So we have time for public comment and I see that indeed just raise the hand and then lower. Yes. Okay. Freddie, I brought you in the room. Yes. Sorry. Just as a closer, could you give me the numbers of the maps once again, because I realized I didn't write them down all that time. And now it's, so it's number three, one. Map, map, map, map three, version one, three, and, and map one, version four, or what we're looking for. Yeah. Thank you. And that's what's going to the town, to the library. Yes. In principle, we have secured the town hall. We're going to try to get it to the library. Good. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. Well, and the new versions will go into the packet, right? Like into the next week's packet once they're ready. So, yeah. So it's always best, Freddie, to look at the like the most up to date packet because that's for the most up to date maps that are still being considered is. Don't look at the other, the older packets, because that's kind of our working, our working history. And there's just so many different versions of things you're going to, but, but I think that's what we tell the council. We tell the council that there were many maps. Yeah. I think in the report here in the last month, they said there were seven maps. I think we can. Seven. I mean, yeah. That's in one day. Yeah. I just, I just want to say something before we log off. So we have a meeting scheduled, I believe, the day before the council's meeting on October 13th, correct? Yes. I just want to make sure that we're all on the same page. Like that's just kind of making sure that all the eyes are dotted and all the T's are crossed, right? Yeah. That's why we need to work on the report between now and next meeting because next meeting we need to discuss whatever we have written and right vote on one map. That's not enough time. It's just not enough time for me to turn around anything. So I just wanted to make sure that expectation was set. So the idea is that next week we, at the beginning of the meeting, we're going to vote on one of the meetings on one of the maps and that's, and then we're going to have to spend the rest of the meeting working on the report and crossing. And then we have one more meeting to finalize the report. But is that meeting on the 12th or the 13th? It's actually the council isn't meeting though, right? The council isn't meeting on the 13th. The deadline for us to submit our materials is the 13th for the meeting. Yes. So the meeting on the 18th, we have a deadline on the 13th to submit to the council. We're meeting on the 12th. We're meeting on the 12th, right? Gotcha. So we might squeeze the meeting so that we have time before the deadline. But the idea would be, so the timeline would be that we have to, we're going to have to vote on the map at the beginning of the meeting and work on the document that reflects the map. I think, yeah, we should think about the most efficient way to do that at a meeting because I don't think that editing in real time and creating. I don't know. We could talk about the main points or something. Yeah, Marlene. I move we adjourn. Absolutely. Okay. I second. Second. Marlene. Yes. Peggy Shannon. Yes. Tracy Safian. Yes. Joseph Gordon. Yes. You don't have any? Yes. So my meeting is in turn. All right. Thank you. Thank you. See you everyone. Have a good night guys. Bye. Bye.