 All right, good evening everyone Hopefully that Mike's working. Yes. I will welcome to July 14th 2022 airport advisory board meeting Very nice to be back in person After a false start a couple months ago Michelle can you please call the roll? I can Chairman Earl here Board member bliss here board member Dean here board member Jordan here board member Robison Board member Salmone Okay, you have a quorum. Thank you very much First item on the agenda as every month is our public invited to be heard Would anyone like to speak to start with? Yeah, my name is Phil Greenwald transportation planning manager with the city of Longmont chair Earl I wanted to just mention that we need to make sure that We allow Marsha into the meeting virtually and you need to do that by a Voice vote of the of the board The voice would do so if you could move and second and then vote on that item that would let her into the meeting Officially, okay, I'll entertain a motion from anyone Hold on Linda Go ahead. I move we have Marsha join us electronically. Is there a second? Second that I'll second that Two seconds cool any discussion two seconds all those in favor Say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Motion carries unanimously Okay Now public invited to be heard would anyone like to start start us off There is another opportunity at the end so we we can do that as well Um seeing no one interested in speaking will move on to approval of the march 2022 minutes Anyone have any revisions from the board or I'll entertain a motion to approve them Motion to approve the minutes All right moved and seconded sorry guys, I'm slow on the um microphone thing any further discussion All those in favor for proving the march 2022 minutes. Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Um, it's not listed on the agenda, but we did have may 2022 minutes in our packet as well Would anyone like to make a motion to approve or modify the Very short may 2022 minutes Mr. Blitz make I make an a motion to approve those minutes. Thank you a second Mr. Dean all second those as well. Thank you any discussion All those in favor of approving the may 2022 minutes. Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? motion carries um moving on then informational items Levi introduction update from the airport manager Well, we're just moving right along here Um, I'm Levi brown airport manager advanced brand airport lungmont Um, I think I've met most people here already. So that's great and I got to meet Malcolm. So that's excellent. Um Update for airport manager a little bit. I guess I give myself just a little bit quick introduction since this is my first official meeting here, um Levi brown I started as a pilot I flew uh commercially for several years. I'm an experienced flight instructor in the previous experienced airport manager from laidville, colorado Came here to lungmont in april and Very glad to be here. All right Airport update just a few little quick items to cover here on this number one before we get into some other items here on informational items um Started quite a few projects when I got here A couple of the biggest ones we got going on are easements and lease updates um I'm sure most of you are probably familiar with the concept of navigation easements and what that means to the airport community in general um Working with the city's attorney's office currently to make sure that our Easements are up to snuff if you will making sure that they're Providing the best coverage for our community that they can Um To address I think after we have a few more meetings once we know exactly kind of what our options Maybe looking forward triple check it with the fa to make sure that we're all good again We can come here and kind of decide on exactly what we want those to look like right If there's any other questions on leases or anything like that I can move on to A cip update and got a quick little presentation for you here on airport cip um, let's see here All right, some projects we got going out there. Um, you'll see this first project I should mention that I wrote this presentation For that may meeting that didn't happen. So a couple of these items are a little dated Pavement maintenance crack seal uh 15 000 from c doc They reimbursed 90 that cost up to ten thousand dollars that project is actually already completed Um, they finished a couple weeks ago So that's done. Uh, I just heard from c doc today He's literally reimbursing us that money right now We crack sealed all the asphalt surfaces that's our responsibility on the airfield and still had three pallets of crack seal left over So that's excellent. So we have some some extra going on there um Next one is pavement maintenance markings phase one. This is a project that's Has not gone even to pre design meeting yet It's currently listed on our cfp for 2022 Um, we had just this last week a little bit of a hang up on this project um C dot and the fa are less than excited about moving forward with a pre design meeting If they don't know a hundred percent sure who are Consultants and engineer is going to be moving forward Um Our current contract is with dibble engineering. We signed that contract in 2017 Uh, which means they've hit their five year limit So we do have to put that out essentially for for bids again um One of the suggestions that contract is up in december Uh, one thing that we kind of tossed around that they got some traction with c dot and the fa is We could potentially put that out a little sooner. We can start working on that now and get some some interested engineers in here To bid on that force make a determination perhaps a little earlier And then they indicated that they may be a little more willing to start doing those pre design meetings So we can actually get that pavement maintenance Done, uh, if it's going to happen this year. I don't I'm not a hundred percent sure it all depends on how quickly we can Kind of get things together But that is certainly a a step we can take to at least make things move a little quicker So that is something we're potentially moving forward here. Just get that out a little bit earlier So we can make decisions make the fa c dot happy All right next page bill project, um I assume probably most of you folks are familiar with the The by part the bipartisan infrastructure law That came out and bill monies We will be receiving here at this airport 295 thousand dollars per year for the next five years Not a hundred percent free money Of course, that's still grant money. So the fa still has some power over that and And helping us make decisions on what we want to do with that There that law specifically mentions infrastructure and uh terminal So I know those topics have been brought up here before so things that we can think about That money of course isn't going to get us Close to building a whole terminal or ourselves if we wanted to but there's certainly options there And I think I cover this a little bit later in this presentation too where we could potentially put some of that Many towards terminal design and stuff like that to help us in the future Cip project submitted to c dot some other stuff that's been submitted that pavement maintenance stage two Of coming out of that The first one being more minor stuff markings a second and a little more substantial Um, and I guess I should mention I'm not going into incredibly too, but there's also a breakdown here of exactly where that money's coming from um So 72 000 from that bills money 4 000 from c dot and 4 000 would be city Wildlife fencing is a another project that I think you guys are all probably familiar with it's kind of been hanging out on this airport For a while. It hasn't been completed So that was that's last figure to be about 60 000 54 from bills 3 000 from c dot 3 000 from city So it's another project that's on the dismissive into the c dot and then again I'm sorry right there general aviation terminal initial planning and design So they got 187 000 approximately Excuse me allocated for that And leave I hold on one second. Malcolm. Did you have a question? I did uh for Levi You said there's a uh the new bid for the pavement maintenance Is there a cutoff date for that when you have to have it decided who's going to do that? Oh, who's going to do the so the so, um That the hang up right now on the pavement maintenance isn't isn't getting the bids it's getting C dot and the f a to move forward with pre-design meetings To actually get that project moving forward the last I actually checked with c dot probably about a week and a half ago They still haven't even received final f a approval for that Um, that's kind of what sparked all of this conversation with them as I was asking them when we were going to get that They said hey, who's your engineer and I said You know it's dibble and the contract's up in december and they kind of pulled that so Um, does that I'm sorry. What does that answer your question? Yeah, is there so if we is there a cutoff date you have to have a new Somebody just decided by a certain date a new company or um, there's there's no deadline date Huh, no, we gotta do that honestly It's everything is kind of hanging out right now until we actually get the thumbs up from the f a and all the calendar Stuff will kind of be set from that. Okay. Thank you much. Yeah This slide honestly is probably a little extra than I needed. This is straight out of C dot's website. I just copy and paste it here so you can see the projects They're actually in the system as you can see they're they're pretty much what I just covered there All right All right, leave a couple questions. Sorry absolutely On the bill funding 295 000 per year over the next five years Does it have to be spent in each of those years or can it be bunched? No, to my understanding And I've had this conversation with the f a and I think that they're not even a hundred percent sure about how to spend this money But from what I was told last week And it was kind of echoed is what I heard at the conference Also is that you can kind of reserve that money and use it in one big chunk and stuff like that too But um, keep in mind. They're still kind of learning as we're going to Just be your comment on them still learning is very accurate from every time I've heard the f a I talk about it right now Yeah, they're um So I had a very interesting conversation with an engineer the other day Who's been dealing with the f a and she actually said um, right now she says her her uh, kind of interpretation of all of this is that um, they don't know exactly what the money can be used for Because the laws so they're applying it all like they would a traditional aip grant So she said anything that you would you feel safe on bidding on like you normally would for an aip grant Try to use this money with first because that's kind of the safest thing to use it for that's what she said Thank you very much Well one more. Yep, uh talus I just had a comment judging based on the procurement process for the last election We haven't had a city council person for a year because of the mess up that the city staff had had about not having a You know elections set up for the next time around. Um, I think that we should be very proactive in securing this new engineer because I don't want to be in the same situation where because of The way things work. We're without an engineer for an extended period of time And that's the work I've already been having that conversation and and Phil's kind of sit on the same page too. We've been reaching out um, we're going through All our old request for proposals are writing up new ones right now We're getting them all proved squared away good to go. So as soon as we can move forward We're gonna move forward with it most likely I think anything to add to that phil I think No, I think what we're planning to do is exactly what you mentioned But we're just reaching out to more folks who can provide those services so that we have a full list of of or of consulting consulting firms And we really want to make sure we are Make it a you know fair and open process through our purchasing Folks and uh, we'll make sure that it goes out and we have the open bid And I imagine we'll probably have quite a few people interested in the aviation engineering community is pretty small Um, I've been out of airport management for Seven years now and I still know most of them Out there and I've already gotten phone calls from hey, I hear you know You guys are going to be new needing new engineers soon already So I think we're going to have some some good choices. We're going to have some good things to pick from there Anything else? common question All right next stage Slide I gotta remember it's been so long since I wrote this thing uh potential future cip projects here I got just some really basic stuff laid out for 23 25 27 here There is potentially a new Taxi lane that's kind of been earmarked For the south side. I because I should have added a map. I didn't think about that But if you guys can I'm sure airport board very familiar with the airport map, correct We currently have the taxiway. I jokingly call the taxiway to nowhere down there that goes by the the quonset, huh? So there's another potential taxi lane that's being uh would be constructed to the west of that Um, certainly now with our the sewer project going out for bid and moving forward um, there's More potential for development or so something to to certainly think about that is kind of on the docket right now at the engineers Engineers I'll be here next month. That was one of the main things that they wanted to chat about was kind of that project And we're tanging right now Again, this these are future projects. Nothing that that we're making calls on right now But I just wanted to give you guys kind of a snapshot of what's in the future here 2025 uh joint seal aircraft ramps and panel replacement. This would be kind of an additional You know obligatory airfield maintenance if you will I just we're scheduling stuff out as we know things are going to wear and tear when we're probably going to need monies for making things Up to standard again in 2025 taxiway rehabilitation and uh 20 27 potentially a master plan update when uh Our current master plan is from 2012 which puts it currently at the The 10 year mark, which is usually kind of the aged out Time for a master plan after speaking with our engineers and several other people I think we're fairly comfortable with the master plan or it is right now We don't have to go out for bid for it currently and most people agree that an Air power airport layout plan update would be appropriate at this time and probably keep us on par with You're getting the fundings and approvals we need from the fAA and c dot and stuff like that So that's kind of how we're approaching that at the moment All right And then here's just some straight up uh Throwing it out their ideas for potential cip projects to consider since we've got bill money coming um This is all kind of taken just off of a general list that I put together with Jeff Coleman the the interim airport manager And also put notes that I found from david and input from other people that I've talked to and stuff like that um Of course the development of the the terminal and a potential new manager's office Land acquisition, um, there's of course always talk about a runway extension um, uh Whether that would be a wise move as far as acquiring the land is land and then your future or not Would depend a lot upon the fAA and c dots willingness to potentially Um help us fund an airport a runway extension. I should say um to my understanding after speaking with some of my engineer contacts that have been involved in that process here in the past the f a c dot weren't super excited about Allowing grants to be approved for that here So we'd have to reopen a dialogue with them if we wanted to do something like that um the addition of taxiway b3 um expansion of the run-up areas Taxiway one that was actually if I recall correctly that was one of the big recommendations in the 2012 master plan Replacement of avgash self service and fuel storage I'm sure most of you are familiar. We do actually have an underground tank here for fuel storage That's something that we need to kind of be aware of Those of course are are frowned upon and as that gets older and older We will be kind of forced up against that wall of getting that taken out of and uh mitigated and replaced Uh And the last one I get here is pave repave airfield access road From apron to south side around in a runway one one Access road is definitely well worn um Half dirt half fast fault half something else So just another potential project that we might want to think about Moving in the future All right, and that's what I had for the cip Update were there any general comments questions on that? There's a whole bunch of questions. Thank you. So I'm going to go one by one here. Uh talus you're at first Yeah, I just had a general question about how you would prioritize the things that you just listed That's actually the kind of how it was presented there is pretty close to what I would call a prioritization I mean looking at the obvious things for striping Stuff like that and kind of moving forward there and that last list kind of being the Up for discussion. Hey, let's talk about these things kind of a list. Thank you. Yep um Sorry, this moves around um melinda my question was the same about priority and um as an airport user I I would ask for a different priority Um, and I think the fuel has to be addressed sooner than later the fuel tank moved up. Yeah, okay That's That's certainly a discussion to have with the engineers also and kind of what they're seeing out of the industry and when uh Yeah I'd love to have a brand new nice tank out there set next to the jet a1 for low load would be nice also Um, Malcolm, do you know the current age of the fuel fuel tanks at the airport? I know the jet tank is actually relatively new although old enough to be outside of these the containment Um Regulations they've changed. It's just sitting there by itself. It doesn't actually have a containment a concrete little Swimming pool around it if you will So it was it's probably been there It's 10 15 years at least I would have to double check on exact dates for you on that the underground tank Honestly, I do not know at all what age it is. And you know what the age is I know with with Automotive it's different than aviation, but you know what the age is the limits are on underground tanks for Yeah I I can't speak with authority. I'd have to look it up in the regulations. Do you get that information? Yeah, I'll dig a little bit deeper into that that I've had some just some preliminary discussions with the engineers about it and they've the kind of the gist if you will that I got from them is We'll we'll allowed to have them and until they tell us that we're not allowed to have them essentially Okay, thank you Steve Thank you, mr. Chairman and Welcome Levi. Thank you. You and I have had a number of discussions privately And I was at the meeting The hangar meeting last month Good turnout. I sat in the back row And I had a question for you I couldn't really hear it because I was in the back row hangers open And you know how that goes so But I had a long drawn out question all ready to ask and you've pretty much addressed a lot of this stuff But it occurred to me, you know when we elect a president of the united states and I'm not Trying to equate you to the president of the united states not get political here But we it seems like we always look at a window a yardstick of a hundred days And that president's got to do something in a hundred days And it's sort of a window to how the administration is gonna gonna look So you've brought up the big five that I have Runway extension fbo You didn't mention restaurant, but we could add that hangers and the bathroom down on the south side But I'm wondering Do you have an agenda To get one of those big items done in the near future Actually, my gosh, um all of the things are kind of being Moved on right now really the the restroom is kind of waiting until we get you know the sewer and stuff like that take care of first, of course I've had multiple meetings about a couple of those items Of course talking about fbo and stuff like that certainly so my kind of I like to get things done. It's kind of my personal thing So my mentality when it comes to doing stuff like that and these are the priority items that we're talking about is in the morning I have priority lists. These are my top priorities. What can I deal with every day to get these things moving forward? I'm moving forward as quickly as I can Hopefully, you know by one or two. I've all the communications. I've done the movie stuff forward. I can't I do the rest of my emails go to my runway inspections the afternoon and just keep moving things forward I'd really like to see Gosh, so much of it is dependent. Let's see. Let's say the fbo taking an example upon if we have If the current owner sells it if something else occurs and you know the lease It changes hands or something like that if uh, let's it's been briefly spoke about That maybe hey, the city should take over the fbo if the city all of a sudden gets really excited and does that A lot of that depends on kind of how Longmont as a Together we want to move forward and so we're kind of dependent. It kind of depends on final other people a little bit but My opinion on that is Let's move forward as quickly as possible because in the last few years. It's it's not getting better. It's just been getting worse So does that answer your question? Yeah, that does thank you very much for that and I'm here to help if you get a big project that you want help on Give me a call. Thank you appreciate it because there's lots of stuff out there. Oh, that's something I suppose I should have Added to my airport update Currently in the middle of having a volunteer approved For the airport a high school student Danny Came and volunteered his services. I'm running him through hr right now. He's doing the background checks and stuff like that He wants to be an engineer So he's expressed interest in being out the airport as much as he can So someone else to help research and do projects and stuff Excellent. Yeah Great. Thank you. Um, talis Yeah, I had a question about um, the procurement of land I know the airport is becoming more and more underneath the city's wing So would the procurement have to go through city council or how would that work and like I guess it's more fill question. Yeah, I imagine it would but all that let fill All start out and you can finish it up Um, yeah, the city the the airport has always been under city control So it's always been a city land lease and then the the hangers are separate, right? So it would have to go through all our procurement processes and that's the reason for a lot of this information tonight is the request for proposals that we have to do for engineering the request for proposals that it's going to be talked about for the hangers coming up That all goes to our procurement process So the land piece is going to have to be something where the land where the land is acquired By the city through our real estate agents And so it'll be fair market value. There'll be negotiation and all those good things So it's that those things will be key if that's the way we want to move forward and and a lot of that Discussion is going to end up. I think here as well We'll have to get the airport advisory board's Uh recommendation to city council on that as well. So if that's something we want to move forward with we'll be back to you For your recommendation to city council on that because city council ultimately makes that decision to spend dollars But I understand that the money goes to the airport and it's the uh Development grant for the airport, but it's spent through the city. I'm just trying to understand how that all works For the land piece or which way if we wanted to use that 295 a year for four for five years and use some of that money to acquire land I mean that money was earmarked to the airport But if the city owns the land that city could then do whatever they want with it, right? No, not exactly Yeah, I mean we still have to go through the purchasing process And make sure that we go through all the legal means of of acquiring the property. We can't Yes, we can have yes. Yeah, that's also the grant piece of it Grant assurances that we would get funding from for from the bills And part of that is yes land acquisition and one of the grant assurances of that is when we get that money is like It's the airport's land you gotta Yeah, so I'm trying to understand because there's a city and there's the airport and then there's the money and then like, you know How does it all work because what if is it given to the airport after like is the airport have full control over it afterwards or There's there's X amount of years if I Off the top I think it's something like 20 years or something like that and then we have full control over that point I would have to double check that don't quote me on that But it's definitely covered by the grant insurance much like the the issue that we were just speaking about the lease And not having anything more than 50 years Because the f a considers that a disposal of land and they don't want you getting rid of that land So they're controlling that they're they're giving you federal funding. They say, okay You can't have leases more than 50 years Yeah, thank you Mr. Bliss again One last question. I forgot to ask and that's about the sewer. Yeah, are you going to talk a little bit about that? Yes, yes, thank you. So so let me just stay my question. So we know that it's gone out to bid Do we know how long it will take or is that going to be The in the bid itself so that yes, we'll be in the bid itself the way they have it structured Is that they'll receive the bids back and I think there's essentially three different options There there's three different ways they could award it ones I think completed in 30 days one way would begins pleaded in 50 and then one is completed In 90 if I recall correctly, I'd have to have that document sitting in front of me, but there's They they the engineers kind of put in the flexibility or I should say the city put in the flexibility so when they receive those bids they can kind of Look at the different schedules that the the contractor kind of puts out there and kind of decide What they feel is the best for the city. Okay. I don't have that screen up But is is the bathroom part of the capital improvement? So the bathroom is on kind of that Been tossed up on that list of hey, is this a project we want to move forward with Kind of a list That's not tied in specifically to the southwest sewer project as it sits right now That is literally just the line that they're putting out there right now. Why? Because that's what we had the money for No, but what's it going to do just sit there idle? Well, we've already got the guys in the south hangers there making preparations to connect up to it Yeah, and then also how many Two I know of that talked to me off the top of my head that want to know when they can get hooked up to it No, there's a there's a lot of hangers over there And I know people would like to see a bathroom and yeah, and that's why we know where if we know where the sewer is going to be Yeah, completed where it's going to be halfway down the runway Should we not Also be looking for someone to build a bathroom. Yeah, we can right now the uh We'll just have to discuss if that's what we want to kind of put money for And something else to think about Unfortunately Bill monies probably can't be used for sewer. I actually have a Contact of my old airport josh up there who made a case at the conference and while I was up there with the The FAA said hey, I really need sewer laden into my airport Can I get some money for that and they essentially told them no you can't use bill money for a sewer So I really doubt that they would help us cover A bathroom project either so that was something if we would want to move forward with we'd have to move forward with as a city to fund probably Unless like I mentioned, they're still in the middle of deciding what they want to use all that money for The FAA has a dramatic change of mind and decides that they will use that For I mean, it's it's infrastructure, right? You'd think a sewer would be in an infrastructure bill But as of yet the guidance they're giving us is that no we won't do that So Okay, thank you All right, I'll ask a couple questions. I'll start with a disclaimer I work for an engineering consulting firm. We do work with airports I'm not going to talk about any of that But I will reference my experience on a couple of these projects because I think it's relevant For the bathroom for the bill money FAA has made it very clear to us that the color of the money matters So if you can use bill money for a different project and then free up that money for the bathroom or anything else That should absolutely be part of the discussion. Even if you can't apply the bill money to it directly. Yeah, it's an excellent point Then question comment On on a runway extension recognizing that even if we put bill money towards land acquisition It nowhere near funds a runway extension not even a design or anything else That's a good excellent point also. Yeah Not a runway extension But I'm working with an airport in another state where they've combined bill money with an earmark from their congress person To be able to go do that particularly when the fAA didn't want to fund it The earmark noted it directly Um, that's not something we've historically looked at. I don't know if the city's advocated for this In the past, but especially with a new congressperson in the next congress Through redistricting I think it would be worth the city having that discussion and thinking about that as a way to accelerate some of these projects But that's certainly something that we can talk about and see if there's some potential there. Thank you. Yeah Anyone else on cip update? Mr. Bliss I'll leave. I have have you looked at the at the runway extension and how far we can go out Yeah, on our on our property. Oh on our property. Yeah current so With our property currently right now We can't really because of the the runway safety area issues. We're kind of at our max limit It's been proposed before you you said kind of in our max. I mean, what are we talking about 100 feet 200 feet I would say Not worth the expense we would have to put into Banding the runway just a little bit with all the engineering costs and Putting projects out for bid and stuff like that. I mean, we'd be spending more on that than the actual construction it'd be It'd be not probably super wise use of money It's also been proposed before like well if we can't get the runway safety area land acquisition We could build, you know the concrete to the end of our airport property and then just you know Block it off so people couldn't use it then we could use it later That's probably less than a super wise use of funds also Yep, but But yeah, it's a safety concern Well that the reason that we have that runway safety area is it's cleared ground. I mean that's the safety concern there The doubts, you know the risk to doing something like that as we put all of that money Into building all of this concrete and something happens, you know that they see that never proves Approves it or something like that. So before we actually extend the runway at all I highly recommend that we have the f a and everyone on board For what we want to do before we do something like that because the The risk of doing something like that on our own and just not having it approved is just way too expensive Okay, thank you All right, so with no other questions Move on to our fever hanger development discussion uh the kind of Develop sparked by the course of sewer going in Down on the south side. I've had a few different people Come and express interest in potentially Developing some hangers on the south end of the airport in a similar manner To the the hangers that have been developed down there Of course anything in the future would be Very uniform Maybe perhaps unlike the north end of the the airport there currently But enough interest to kind of put that up on the radar No request for proposals really ready to go up right now But I wanted to stick this in the informational items let everybody kind of give you heads up We are Tossing them tossing that back and forth, you know letting the lawyers kind of look at stuff looking at other people We'll kind of put some documents together so we can have kind of a general Document to put out here perhaps in the near future So at the very least we could get some people to give us some proposals And then we'd have things that we could look at to kind of decide if we wanted to move forward with some Hangar development Any questions from anyone? Um, lind uh one sec Go ahead. I will raise the south side restroom question for my friend member bliss So with that development of hangars With that investment of the sewer What do we do to get? Uh restrooms on that i'm on the side that has restrooms So I don't have an issue on my side, but these poor guys do so what do we do? How do we get that? That's that's a A subject that we've we've briefly touched and kind of talked about kind of what we want to do in the future with I think A lot of it to be in of course we've got to get the sewer in first. That's the first step So that's hopefully that's being completed this fall Moving forward from there. It's kind of like What do we want to do as a city do we want to To say to ourselves do we want to as you mentioned, you know Allocate the money ourselves free up money somewhere else allocate money for that and just get some put in Um, I know they did some preliminary cost estimates for putting a bathroom in from the figures. I saw looked pretty Or expensive, but certainly something that we could move forward other cons ideas have been Perhaps we have one of these developer comes in and they want to do a whole bunch of bank Of hangars. Maybe we could float the idea and well, of course we talked about this Well, maybe say hey you're going to build all these hangars We're going to need you to build a bathroom also or something like that See what kind of attraction we could get an idea on like that again All of this is just spitballing at the moment. None of this is set in stone So Certainly I'd like to represent the fact that it's being thought of it's not something that we're just leaving hanging out there We just haven't really kind of decided how we want to do that in the best way yet And i'm sure there'll be certainly more discussions about that moving forward particularly As there's more and more going down there on the south end of the airport, which Which you know we're moving forward on that sewer is going in there. So that's the next step right after that Um, it bears. Thank you for your answer. It bears Wait because if you're going to put people down there, you got to have resources for them And I don't know I know the city does as when I was Moving into a brand new subdivision that we needed a different underpass To get through a roadway the city didn't build underpasses. They didn't build bridges. The developers did that stuff Where do we sit with the airport in the city is so is it either 100 percent the city 100 percent the developer or is there room for a share of 50 50 I think there's some room. I could I could help answer that to chair roll and board member jordan What we would we what I think you're asking is for us to put that into the request for proposal Which is an easy thing to do. So um, and I know uh councilmember martin had some other things to put into the proposal as well Which included um, you know being able to do solar In the future and making sure that the infrastructure was basically there to do that So those those are some things that we're talking about writing into the rfp And so we'll take that under consideration when we when we put that out there. So thank you for that suggestion On the rfp topic, I recognize it's not required to come to us nor are required for us to do a recommendation The last rfp that went out did not and I believe there was one bidder on it I would just encourage you guys to make it as public as possible including bringing it here. So it is on an agenda Um, even if you're not required to even if we don't vote on it Just so it's out in the public as much as possible Yeah, and and phil and I've actually already had that discussion and we've hadn't been reading the The way things are done in the past and one of the the concept the ideas that came up is certainly One of you will be on that panel that reviews those requests for proposals to give us input Yep Thank you anyone else Well once you've had your drink, let's move on to action items and scheduled rates and charges All right scheduled rates and charges. This is digging an old one up here So this is something that to my understanding from the documents that are already come in front of the board Um, I want to say this was last September that this went through or right before there Where was that document on your guys a set of included documents in the Do you remember phil? It was not included all right I can certainly get that out to you, but the the board had previously made a recommendation I put this on the action item Listed I just wanted to kind of bounce that back off of you since I'm picking up Or David left off and make sure that that was still kind of your same recommendation I think at the same time Seeing how things have changed recently in the world in general and rates are a little higher across the board We might also want to sit down do some basic calculations and just move perhaps those base rates up just to reflect What's kind of happened since that original Uh recommendation was made by this board. Um, I have not sat down and done those calculations yet Again, mostly just was kind of wanting to bounce this off of you guys and see Uh, kind of what your thoughts were On that I apologize for that that should have been hooked on to that document Does anyone have any initial thoughts here to kick us off? Um, I'm trying to go back through some of my old notes here that we talked about this I want to say in June or July of 21. Oh, so it was a year ago. It was a year ago. Um, we voted to Recommend to council that they adopt the new rates and charges. I wrote a letter to that effect I don't believe it was ever sent to council for that discussion Um, because I think at the time the attorneys needed to clean up some of the rates and charges before it moved on and it just Things happened. Okay. Um So I don't know if I mean some of you I don't remember who remembers this discussion. I know talus. You weren't here. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean that from my recollection and we voted that they um The the biggest adjustment was a restructuring of the public permit fee Yes, um that simplified the fee that even potentially had a reduction in revenue to the city But it was designed to alleviate some administrative burden And there was minimal if any adjustments to the rest of the structure or the actual rates themselves. Yeah, that was kind of my Interpretation of that also and again, I apologize that I don't have that document with me I thought that it would be on the thing but I must have forgotten to send that We can certainly circle back around next time and cover this one too put on the next Agenda and in the interim I can also do some basic calculations and see where we might want to adjust the rates up to seeing what's been going on recently too And so on that point and talus. I'll call on you in just a second. Um The Historically we've kept the rates For new leases very low even as current leases are adjusted by cpi. Yeah So I think that I've made this comment to you previously. So just making it for everyone's benefit Look at that in light of the record cpi increases and maybe still You know think about lower rates for new leases as a way to incentivize people in Yep, doesn't seem to be the problem with you know demand doesn't seem to be the issue right now, but at least have that Have that be front and center in our discussions where it comes back. Absolutely And I don't foresee any increases beyond just what the natural Increase would be just from last year into this year And I don't see us popping up prices because we want to make more money or anything like that Just to kind of have a starting point. It's kind of setting, you know today talus Pardon my ignorance on this. I wasn't here Uh for very long this time around and nor was I here last time this was brought enough, but um I've always liked a formulaic approach to this type of thing. What do you guys think about? Some sort of You know formulaic approach that includes inflation into the uh the pricing there is and that's so the Leases are actually adjusted yearly based on the cip So they it just We tag it to it every year and it's supposed to kind of organically grow with you know the nation And kind of move that way is kind of the concept. So that is the way we apply it. Yep Yeah, so the question is just on new leases. Yeah, and what's that? What's the starting point? Or or in some of the other miscellaneous fees that are in the structure of the rates and charges how we apply fees and stuff like that I have chatted with the city attorney's office when all this came up there with the part 16 that just occurred at the airport And mile high and their issues that they had with the city the city attorney's office Encourages us not to change too much as far as structure Goes with the rate and charges because they don't want to stir the pot and it's it's currently settling down But we certainly do need to move forward with with an update on it because it's just been hanging out there for so long I was just going to say it was may 13th of last year. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's why I missed it by two months even Yeah, thank you. Let's talk about something hanging out there for yeah, that's really been hanging out there Okay, um, melinda Are the part 16 all resolved? Yes to my understanding that is completely done now and they found in favor of the city Okay, and it's all wrapped and done and Moving forward. Yep. It's all done Any other questions on rates and charges? We'll look forward to it coming back next month then. Yep um Lasted action item advisory board frequency and location discussion. Yep, and that was just something that A few people have just kind of tossed up there and we thought we'd just stick on the action item Just to get of course the board's input too um How do we want to do do airport advisory boards moving forward? Are we still liking the monthly? um Is it easier to do a quarterly? I think because let's see it was the may was the last one we tried to have one Just get some general discussion from you guys and kind of what you think if there's Any preference you have would it be an easier time? Every other month. What do you guys want to do? All right, mr. Dean you're up first. I do like the monthly. I feel like it keeps uh consistency and it keeps kind of Um kind of one after the other and it allows us to sort of not forget stuff and sort of I feel like we make it Two in between would be spaces every three months or whatever people forget stuff or we kind of forget What we talked about or or maybe stuff comes up I feel like it every month gives us a chance to make sure we cover all of our bases okay Second that um, we only get to meet 12 times a year and then we have a few fall outs with lack of quorum or cancellations And I just think we we lose a momentum. I see it's kind of like self-regulating because yeah Yeah, and uh, and we do have a lot we want to accomplish and I just think we lose We lose some valuable time and I we don't want the city waiting on us to do anything You know we're the tables usually get there to other way and so I don't want them to be waiting for us. Okay Anyone else Up talus go ahead I agree. I think that it's important to be agile and the only way to be agile is if we have frequent meetings Um, I well mr. Bliss Well, I just say same thing. I agree it keeps everybody on their toes you especially All right, this the kind of this the second part of that question that came up was location Do we want to continue to do them in the council chamber or do we want to do like the the little room next to the council chamber and more of a A smaller format and if you will or something like that. Is there any preference? Oh, yes, the the idea came up actually doing it at the airport Is there any kind of input on that? All right. I got people in the queue I'm gonna make my comment on the frequency as well. I agree with monthly Subject to us being willing to cancel if there's not something on the agenda. Okay I've got mr. Bliss up first though for a location. Okay No, I think I think this is where we need to do it. It's televised people can watch it I can't do it at the airport's loud Well six o'clock at night, it wouldn't be too bad Certain times it could be loud and even at six Melinda Barring a suitable conference room at the airport, which you sort of have up there But we do need the recorder and all the logistics. So this does make the most sense I know We had been discussing and Russ was an advocate for meeting on the field to have Greater attendance, but everybody knows how to find 350 kimbark and It's a wonderful idea, but we do have lopo. We do have other ways to get input from More people on the airport if we offer some ice cream or something And that can the board I think could do something like that. We could opt Perhaps for a month to miss this meeting and do that instead or something like that as long as it Met with the rules. So I think we have other ways to get input From the public if they can't come to this or don't want to and we have all the structure that we need here to Accommodate a large crowd if we have a large crowd. We've had this place filled before on certain issues So we have that flexibility And then just the noise and the you know, just the formalities of it. This is easier, I think Mr. Dean, um, I do like I agree. I do like it here, although Me being at the airport, I do think it would it would maybe select you one month to make like an airport Meeting wouldn't be a bad idea because I know a lot of people out there are already there And if you're already there, you know having it there wouldn't be a bad way to go just to get more tenants I mean, I think like we have three to five people every month Which isn't bad, but it would be good to see more people and more input on the on the airport in in general Okay Talas go ahead Thanks. Yeah, I I enjoy this Location, I think that the infrastructure is very nice and I'm sure it's easier on the city employees Who are going to be having to drive for the airport otherwise? So I in you know, respect of you guys's commitment I think this is a good idea I do have a question about infrastructure in terms of getting this meeting out to more eyeballs Um, so this teams, uh, that's being used to connect with marshal and see why not Why we can't open that up and allow more people to join virtually um, and I also think that uh, you know, that would Allow us if we promote that link more and social put, uh, qr codes at the airport where you can scan it automatically adds it to your calendar There's a lot of things we can do to increase engagement Do I understand that they weren't the broadcasting them all? uh, and they had uh online public engagement also during covet and over the interim correct They would do some of them were live. Okay. Um, all of them were recorded. Okay, and then available after the fact. All right Hold on. I've got Linda go ahead I think the issue is that then if we're it could they could be in listen only so we could do it as a webinar where it's listen only, um And maybe somebody well, I don't even think you could moderate chat Um, because that's when we were Just doing virtual you had to have a moderator You had to have somebody taking the phone call lining them up and and it's a lot of admin So this alleviates all that but I I think it'd be a legal question But could we do it in as a webinar and listen only? That people could at least listen in okay Michelle I see you um, so we talked about doing a hybrid meeting since you know marsha is is out And it's just not possible in this in this room. There is no way It's too hard to be able to get everybody to be able to hear on on the opposite end And we can't have them see so just be audio And they can't hear us and it's just too it it's too much. They can't get it to work Great So really there's this one option and and it's the teams that like we have set up here um And Technically lpm should be here at every meeting to record them. We don't use any of the systems in here It's just them setting up a little digital camera Um, and they record so they can record from anywhere. It doesn't matter if it's here public works wherever so All right, um, mr. Dean Yeah, I would say levi. Um, that would be a good idea for like the team just because Um, I'm a e-haptor president and until somebody had told me I didn't know there actually was an airport advisory board So I feel like a lot of people they knew maybe they would actually show up But if they don't know or have a way to know, um, I had no idea I believe in longmont since 1991 and I had no idea there was an airport advisory board And that's why I've been trying to loop it into more of the communications that I put out at the airport To just kind of let people know what's going on. That would be I think I'll be that would make a big difference Mr. Salamateen go ahead Michelle, uh, I Confused like the city council has people calling in Um, they don't everybody has to be here in public They have to be here in person but during the cover they had people calling in because they were virtual They were all virtual meetings And we did have we did have one month of meetings where they could call in and it just didn't work great. So Hmm. Thank you. Yeah, mm-hmm. Okay. So that is the last action item that I have Yeah, yes that one certainly can I believe the consensus I heard was no change Um, we vote in our first meeting of the year to adopt the frequency If anyone would like to make a motion to either reaffirm or change it I'll I'll entertain it, but I don't know that we need to necessarily I'm welcome. I'll make a motion for once a month to confirm Is there a second? We have done that. Okay And I guess our discussion would be potentially having one meeting a year here at the airport if you want In a different format now I would be motion for one meeting a year at the airport to get people in that to get people in Is there a second to the motion? I'm not hearing a second Okay No second unless No, all right No second for the motion. Sorry. I'll second. You can't second. Okay motion Sorry Palace I'd motion that we prioritize marketing and engagement Of these types of meetings Is there a second for the motion to prioritize marketing engagement of the meetings? I'll second that motion Any discussion on that? All those in favor say aye Hi All those opposed I've got four and and zero that stain there I would just comment my personal preference for the airport meeting is that we absolutely do in once a year But I don't want to bind us to that At this time and kind of make it part of our bylaws I think we absolutely should I think there's some years it probably makes sense to do two or three or whatever it is but Have that based on the discussions that are going to be on the agenda And make it at that time rather than committing, you know a specific number at this point That's just my opinion any other discussion from anyone Um melinda go ahead to the marketing and promotion We do suffer also some empty chairs and that would help us Get more people involved see the process Become decide if they were to become interested in it and that because we have several Seats coming empty in december And we don't have a quorum. We can't get anything done. So we do need um either the city line I think we were in the city line last year. We've shied away from being um Having a public presence because of all the part 16 and a lot of community Flak about it and Avoidance we were avoiding so we were keeping a low profile Given that that's all resolved I think we can emerge and and uh bring the profile up For the purpose of input from airport investors and then for the purpose of recruiting additional board members as the seats become available Thank you Anyone else Maybe anything else from you on that? That's what I have. All right. Yeah, that closes out our action items then And so we're on to a final public invited to be heard Is there any member of the public would like to please come on up? Can you guide me through that? Yep. So protocol is you have three minutes Oh my goodness. We changed it to five minutes. Thank you. Thank you Yeah, start with your name and address address your discuss your comments to the board And keep it civil I'll start the timer once you once you introduce yourself. Okay. I'm paul hauling's head live on pike road in town 3,800 pike road of a question about Will the adoption of unleaded avgas changed the plans for the tankage and will the state or the county force us into that and my second comment is will there be an airport expo in One of the next few upcoming years Thank you very much Um, I regret that the format of public comment means I'm not going to respond to you directly But I would encourage all of us to in the board comments In the next agenda item. Okay Thank you Would anyone else like to Please come on up and introduce yourself My name is rick brennan. I have an airplane on the south side of the hangar some pretty sensitive to the bathroom issue February is a tough time. Oh, I don't hold it against me. I live in boulder But I but I like your airport a lot better than the boulder airport. So I fly out of it I've got a suggestion for you. Um, I think that an airport advisory team committee That you've got is going to be a lot more powerful if you're well informed and I work in the aviation industry Right now I'm getting long in the tooth and uh, so I'm doing mostly consulting at this point But I've been working on next gen which is the next generation air traffic control system unmanned aircraft military and commercial and Also airport structures for next generation urban air mobility and and those types of things My strong belief and it's held by an awful lot of people Is that we're going to see the biggest change in transportation in the history of the world in the next 10 years and it's inevitable that we Change our focus to air Next gen the the air traffic control system is a movement from centralized air traffic control Targeted toward large tubes flying in the sky to three orders of magnitude increase in 3000 a gl and below traffic That is partially unmanned and partially short range Air air mobility Radical changes are going to happen and we're always seeing tremendous amounts of investment in in these areas And we'll start seeing the first market entry for air vehicles That are going to start to change the way we think about travel in five to eight years. So smart cities Are looking at their airports as an integrated part of the transportation grid and are starting now to invest in the infrastructure I've also worked very closely with the FAA. I know how the FAA thinks in terms of how it allocates money They look for business arguments So being educated on the markets and where they're going and what the return on investment for an FAA Investment in the in a city's airport is a big big deal And if you have trouble getting money through the FAA, it's because you're not making a good business argument I think we can make great business arguments here Finally, I think you should involve guys like me who are at the airport There's a lot of incredibly smart professionals and invite us to come in and speak about subjects We know about so if you would put out. Hey, we really want to know about next gen or Urban air mobility and what its impact would be for a long mod or I can list you 20 subjects And if if one of those presentations was happening at each one of your meetings Two things would happen. You'd get a lot smarter And a lot more people would show up the meetings and provide input. Thanks Thank you very much anyone else You can start with the introduction. I forgot the timer Don dulcy We have a hangar at the at the airport live-in long month The question you actually do your address mr. Dulcy 335 Pratt street. Thank you Um The details on paving and maintenance at the airport Did that include painting the runway putting the striping down? I maybe I missed that great. Yeah, because we landed today on the 1 1 and there was really no paint all the way up to the first thousand feet Great, okay, um, and you had mentioned the steward project. I think was that the name I'm going to sewer project. Okay. I'm sorry. I misunderstood that Um, I thought there was a possible Plan to do some kind of development on the south side already the the one I recall that I don't think ever came back to the board was probably about 18 months ago Maybe less maybe back in october or september was a project by bill done Dondon And he proposed a pretty comprehensive development of the south side of the airport And then that just went into the wastebasket. I think and I've never heard whether His project was approved or needed to be modified or if he pulled out So I think it would be good to find out what happened because he had a very comprehensive program for developing the south side And it looked pretty good as a joint partnership with The city and the and the airport. Thank you Thank you Anyone else Seeing no one I'm going to close the public invited to be heard And move on to board council reps and or staff comments starting with board members Mr. Bliss, you're up first. Anyone else get in line I'm I'm going to Second that I I remember Dan Dondon making a very good presentation on hangers and I don't know whether Manager brown Has talked to dan You have okay So, I mean, he's the guy that's doing the the hangar development. You know, that's all I have to say Uh, mr. Solomon team Uh, I really am glad to be here. Uh, last two months we haven't been so thank you everyone for being here Um, I do like the idea of more engagement. So I believe rick mentioned something about Having an educational segment. I would be okay to think about that for us to all Contemplate that because it does improve our knowledge and potentially increases engagement So anything we can do to increase engagement. I think we should do so um, yeah Thank you. I would second that as well in our recent bylaw adoption. We, um We added the input of the board through the chairman to influence the agenda So I would encourage anyone who has suggestions for agenda topics to send those to me through the city staff Which is truly by um, and we will absolutely consider that Um, melinda Um, I also agree. We'd love to have that kind of thing on the agenda and also like Dan Dond's proposal I think it was a timing issue After he presented that other things took priority and and it fell through the cracks. So He did Give us an elaborate A depiction of what he had in mind for the airport and a lot of options that were very interesting And that we'd love to revisit and again see what the If they're being considered if they're possible that sort of thing and then to the question about the air show That's on our agenda We are a rest obviously our other member is getting his air boss certification right now And he has one more air show and then I think some testing probably to go through but we will have our own air boss at longmont and That is one of our biggest expenses in logistical competing with other air shows because of the dates. So he just did the research on the 200 mile ring around us for air show competition And we're looking we we typically been in june. I've always voted for father to father's day weekend It's a little it's going to come up too quick to pull off for 2023 There's not a lot of traffic in this area in the middle of july for air shows, but there's a reason for that because it's hot And I won't use any other words So I that's not my first choice, but if everybody else wants it i'll do it and then September, october is you know, we typically if we get a snow storm it melts fast I did do one air show a couple years ago Through a capstone project and we had snow the day before and it was fine and that was in the spring even So september 2023 is going to be the first goal that i'm going to put out there And we're going to bring it up on the agenda for next month And we still have to put together that leadership team. So anybody That anybody that is First of all willing to volunteer. It's not a board function it just we tend to be the people who are closest to it and The volunteers to take to take the major components we I've got all I've worked on that board for a couple of air shows. So we have different large components that need to be Taken on and so we'll be looking for volunteers for that as well. And so the goal my my What I will propose is september 2023 to see if we think we can make that And get some of the incumbents that have worked on air shows in the past to reengage and work with us on it Otherwise we'd have to push to 2024 But we're doing it with an eye toward not competing. We used to have an alternating agreement with boulder So we were every other year with them and that's all They're not having theirs and it all got off off the rails with cobit. So We're it's on the top of my list Um any council member martin, I know you you've raised a hand. Is it about the expo or about something else? ready for Council comments, I will make sure you have that before that does anyone have any expo comments Um based on what melinda briefed us on or we're going to save it for next month for an agenda topic Any other board comments then before we move on to council Council member martin floor is yours I would like to remark, uh, with first with regard to the airport or hangar rfp um It's my experience and uh, phil can probably correct me if i'm wrong Oftentimes when the city issues rfps those the details are kept Um Internal to the staff and then to a review committee To avoid potential improprieties with somebody having inside information Too early. So I never get to see the rfps even though I really often very much want to Just to make sure that I like the requirements and not because I want to give somebody an edge Um, but uh, I I think that that that the um answer that phil and leave I gave that having a board member or two on the the Proposal review board is probably the best that we can do on the other hand bringing forward suggestions for what goes into the rfp Definitely is um Under is something that this board can do So if there's another month left to go, um, then that can be a topic for discussion Next month or otherwise. I think they can be Communicated uh to the staff um, the other thing about mr dunn's proposal, uh, that I would like to say is that the The thinking that came to me and I'm just speaking for myself at this point was that um It was a really attractive proposal for a general aviation park but that But that the city has more commercial visions for the development of the airport Um, and I hope that those those things will be reflected Uh in the airport rfp um so One of the purposes of having an rfp out here like this is to is to codify the city's vision for the way the airport should be developed And um, you know, I I hope to to see bids that will that will reflect that and once the rfp is out there Of course, we would certainly um Invite mr. Dunn To be a bidder. That's all I have Thank you very much. Um, I would ask you a question council member martin It's been a while since we've made an official recommendation to council It's been a while since we've given an report and an update to council, which probably should be on our agenda for next month Is there anything at this moment that would be really helpful for us to be communicating to council about Beyond the topics that we know are coming up over the next couple months since that is our that's our job Uh, I am very interested as are Um, many of the pilots that I am in regular communication with Um in sustainable aviation and you know, we're looking at where the fbo needs to go um where um You know a flight school needs to go um and so I think that the board the board's ideas about that are Important to hear about. Um, you know, you know, I've said that to you particular. Mr. Chair before and I think that especially with uh Cessna's uh Recent acquisition of pipistrel. Have I got the name right pipistrel? um that uh We're going to see uh electric aviation moving faster than it was predicted a year ago um, so I'd like I'd love to hear ideas about that Thank you. That's really helpful to hear that. Um, I will note leave I Through his official job and me through my day job. We're at the colorado airport operators association conference last month and electric aviation and EV charging and infrastructure was the topic of a good third of the panels um, and from c dot from the fAA It is absolutely top of mind for for a number of us right now um, I just Personally, I don't know what the direction is yet to make a recommendation or or do it But it is absolutely top of mind as we think about these developments. Um, the thing that stuck with me that this was I think this was the um NREL guy the national uh renewable energy laboratory Presentation they were talking about nine-seat aircraft at an airport like denver Obviously a different use case, but it just the it stuck with me Charging two or three of them at the same time was equivalent to like 10 to 20 percent of the entire Denver airport's electric usage over the entire day From that from a demand perspective. It's not from the, you know, kilowatt hours But what you actually need the infrastructure to support And so it's just kind of that that infrastructure. I think is a really important discussion particularly since we actually Own the utility And can do things that a lot of other municipalities can't I think that's absolutely It's a huge advantage for us as some of those standards get to find to be able to move faster than others Yes, that's a huge advantage for us in terms of attracting um electric aviation Traffic here at the airport. It also advantages the city in terms of because The batteries needed to back up that fast charging Also provide a distributed energy resource for the city You know, for example at times when wind and solar are falling short We've got this big bank of batteries at the airport that can be used You know to keep things going And our power provider Platte River power authority is very interested in Citing batteries at strategic locations like that. So they might Help us with the always never enough funding of a project like that So yeah, those are those are just some things to think about and I hope that we all will Thank you Staff comments Levi or phil We don't have any further comments I was glad that you brought up the idea that if there are Agenda items that people would like to discuss that they please Go through Levi and we will get those to you and as board chair you will be the person who Decides when and how those go up. So appreciate that comment. Yeah I don't like that role of deciding without Input from everybody. So please as you have ideas. I have you had input Make it very clear and we'll we'll make sure that we're reflecting that input Let's call for board comments All right, we're seeing none. We're on to adjourning. So thank you all very much and that'll conclude our meeting tonight Have a good evening