 It's freaking me out She just pop it sometime during the show Jenny lay one on Okay Happy back to the future day everyone Don't know if you guys realized that No, I haven't heard a thing because it's October 21st, which is the date they go to and back to the future, too So quiet All right, here we go the daily tech news show is entirely supported and funded by voluntary contributions From listeners like you if you want to chip in and support your daily source of tech visit patreon.com slash is detect This is the daily tech news for Wednesday October 21st 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me as he does most Wednesdays great Scott Johnson A special day man. I don't know the future day. It is Well, hi, it's good to be back and it is back to the future day and I just I know I said a pre-show I know I said it on Twitter and I don't want to be mr. Grumpy guy today, but I just want to remind everybody It wasn't a very good movie that second Scott doesn't think it was a good movie. Send your emails to Scott Great first one or terry say one's terrible. I just want to make it like like three Last I'll say it. I promise Also joining us with his opinion on the back to the future movies Nate Langston had a digital of bloomberg and maya and host of text message podcast Which Nate was very nice enough to have me on recently and on the most recent episode How's going Nate? It's good. Honestly, that was that was a lot of fun doing two podcasts in one week With you tom is is some kind of sort of it's a gift. It's a gift from hon hi Feels good. I'm like, oh, I just get to see Nate again already. This is awesome. Yeah No, it's good to be here. It's been I had a look it's april since I've been on and I know it's entirely my fault because I keep Not replying to emails, which is a terrible way to use email So I'm very pleased to be here. But now we know we know to use a messaging app to get to you Yes, everybody everybody use messaging app. So otherwise you have no That's what Jenny I'll do from now on. Do you have a favorite back to the future movie? um, I have to say I mean the first two are great, but the third one is the one that has the It has the most style as far as I'm as far as I'm concerned because it's I know there are a million people hating me right now. I know but Scott's on your side. So you're you're in good company Oh, really? It's just it's the train at the end. It's it's the costumes There's just something about that whole and if you haven't seen it I'm really sorry for the spoilers, but you have had about 30 years to see it There's an amazing strain at the end. Yeah train The third one is back. They go back to the past to the future to the past to the present Yeah, it's it's a whole I'm entirely with eight on this the third one's pretty dang good And there's a train that travels through time. So what else are you gonna get? That's all the back to the future talk. We will probably deliver you although I haven't been to the future so I don't know for sure. Meanwhile, let's do the headlines Apple and Dropbox Announced they do not support the us cyber security information sharing act aka CISA CISA both companies cited a lack of privacy protections in the bill as their reason for opposition Yelp reddit twitter and wikimedia all recently announced opposition to the bill as well So did the computer and communications industry association, which covers google facebook and yahoo. So A lot of silicon valley lined up against this Supporters of the bill want to make it easier to share cyber threat indicators and defensive measures with the government without risk of lawsuits Make it easier for everybody to fight cyber crime opponents say the terms are ill-defined A little vague and they oppose the information being exempt from the freedom of information requests US senate is expected to vote on the act within the next few days Part of the problem seems to be that You can make all the detailed rules you want right now But how much will they apply in five years and 10 years and 20 years if we've learned anything over the last I don't know a decade and a half What we thought the internet was going to be and do and act like and and how fast it would run and where it could be available And all these things have all changed drastically And how we get the internet how we pay for it continues to evolve So the idea of locking this down and saying here are the rules moving forward seems uh Weird to me or at the very least it needs to allow for a more sort of fluid attention by lawmakers Yes, senator diane feinstein who's a co-sponsor of the bill, uh says that uh, nobody's going to share your banking information Or your social security numbers, uh, it's all about fighting the bad guys But the opponents say well wait What if my social security number is a cyber threat indicator somehow like you haven't really defined these terms? There's no reason it couldn't be shared at that point. So I think that's what's got people want They people want it to be locked down a little more That's what dropbox said Oh, i'm up. Hey, look at me here. Check me out now batting putting Putting in its encryption rather where its press statements are apple told us magistrate james Or uh orenstein that it could not comply with a us justice department demand to extract data from iphone's For devices running ios 8 only the holder of a passcode for a passcode for the phone can access the encrypted data If you have eight You're the only one that can do it the phone in the particular case being tried runs ios 7 Which lets some files and native apps, uh encrypted but not email calendar and third party apps Apple told the court extracting even that limited data would be a violation of its customers trust So this uh to me now, you know Don't i'm not i don't want to be the brain of tim cook but when i first read this That felt pretty good to me seems like it's in keeping with their previous statements about how important Uh user privacy is to them It seems like a good thing for apple to say and do And i'm happy to know that if i've got ios 8 or later that my phone is pretty well protected Unless i decide to give up what's in it So, uh, i don't see any of this is bad for us. I think it's good Nate does that make you rest a little easier? Um, i rested fine to be honest before i mean i think as far as i'm aware This is something that only uh only affects the us anyway I don't think this is applicable and this particular case only affects the us But the idea that apple cannot and says they will not surrender any data because it's encrypted Could affect anybody anywhere on the planet You say that i mean i don't know this this oh this is one of those things that feels like uh a daren kitchen topic Um, and you know his views at the last time i was on the show I i said here's a question for for darin on the next the next time he's on But as far as i'm aware This sort of stuff is not quite as significant as Governments just holding all data anyway, which is what apparently happens in gchq here in in britain Gotcha YouTube announced its commercial free tier today. It includes a lot of extras for $9 and 99 cents a month All the ads disappear from youtube when you're logged in and videos can be Saved to play offline Subscribers also get access to youtube originals from the likes of pewdiepie and the fine brothers and more When those originals premiere next year Subscribers google music and youtube music key will get youtube red subscriptions and vice versa So if you're already paying 999 for google music, you'll get youtube red once it launches A dedicated music app will also be released to offer subscribers background music playing from videos The service launches in the us october 28th and is intended to come to other markets eventually My wife works on the youtube originals particularly and had to get up at 5 a.m To go get ready for the announcement at youtube space this morning. Wow. So, uh, I think this is is a killer deal If the fact that you're going to get both those services for the same price The only real stinker is uh, tom, you're already a user of youtube music and you're not going to probably get the 30 day Free trial. Yeah, that's true But As new service and another $10 thing to add to my monthly bills Nate i'm a little bit worried that i'm stacking them a little too high again I'm gonna have to swap something out take hbo go out and put this in or something else What do you think? Yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't I don't think it can be overstated how important this is I think this is absolutely massive The the the reach that youtube has this is enormous and we're gonna come and talk about this later So i'm not going to go in too much depth here But I think this is one of the biggest Announcements in media that we've had this year. I think this is only a step away from some sort of bundled service Buying a nexus device or something where you get this as a value add for buying an android phone Interesting. I don't believe we are that far away from that being a thing and if that becomes a thing Man, is that is that good? That is insane huge Huge I'd say mac rumors reports apple is releasing ios 9.1 or has released it the update ios now supports for Unic has a support for unicode seven and eight new emojis like the middle finger Finally unicorn head hot dog taco and cheese wedge taco man, tom. I don't know how we waited this long for these I mean it's 2015 for heaven's sakes an update to live photos Which seems or senses when the phone is raised or lowered to stop unnecessary recording I've done a few of these since you got my new phone and add the new messages option to disable photos and contacts ios 9.1 is available to all ios 9 users and over Or and you can get it over the air immediately, although I don't see it in mine yet, but i'm sure it's coming So i've seen it been made available. But one thing I wasn't sure is is the unicorn new There's a unicorn in my emoji I don't know. I used it for the first time, you know the the lovely the lovely mr. Poop is still there Yeah, but but the unicorn i'm looking at this now and I don't remember seeing this unicorn before this is a new unicorn It's a new unicorn So there you go date. Do you want to pull back your statement that youtube red was the most important announcement Of the year No, because until I can make the snail turn the other direction Then it's useless to me because the air rush emoji is only one way and incidentally I read something that apparently the reason you can't turn any of these round is because of the gun emoji and they don't want people um Getting too creative with shooting people like i'm not 100 sure why it makes a difference since yeah On the other side, but there's something weird in that logic that that is a real I know that the taco emoji is going to come in quite useful for me and eileen Uh where I can now just type taco question mark instead of all of those letters that I used to have to type Thank goodness tom cool ant sv posted the story that western digital has agreed to buy sand disc and to deal with approximately 19 billion dollars western digital will benefit from sandisks nand flash drive technology that's something that western digital Has been wanting to improve at sand disc has an intellectual property joint venture with toshiba as well But toshiba has already said it supports the acquisition. So it's likely to happen 19 billion dollars geez uh in advance of its breakup into enterprise and pc companies Hp has agreed to sell its tipping point network security business to trend the micro for 300 million Not quite 19 billion, but it'll do that crunch reports trend micro or combine tipping point into uh its existing network security business Or a new unit called network defense. I can't believe that's not taken hp says it will partner with third parties including trend micro Provide network security services Well, it's just going to be called trend micros network defense department. So it'd be like calling it human resources Everybody can have one network defense. It sounds like a game. I should download on steam today It is it is pretty impressive doesn't it? Uh and and it's you getting a little peek into hps enterprise strategy for once hp enterprise moves away They're they're going to offer a security portfolio as they roll out Things to you that's what hp enterprise wants to do is be your your solutions provider But they won't be running it themselves, which will might give them advantage. They'll be able to offer more than one Uh offering although they say they'll continue to partner with trend micro uh on this so I read or read I had a dream last night. I just want to throw this out because it's hp related I had a dream last night that hp made a killing Coming up with the first commercially inexpensive and more viable 3d printer and they did it with a whole campaign and a whole marketing push But had everything to do with the fact that look at these guys who created the first real laser printers you ever used Now look what they've got 3d printers a lovely dream and I woke up going Why didn't they do that? That seemed like a prime thing for for hp to glom on to and they haven't done it Maybe i'm maybe i'm crazy and maybe that dream just felt well that the other the not hp enterprise hp ink Which is the version that will sell printers and pcs Maybe they'll do that now that they're free of the mothership. Who knows? Facebook in partnership with mckinsey and company is launching tech prep a series of educational online resources like games and video tutorials To help motivate kids to pursue careers in technology Facebook is focusing promotion of the hub to areas with high populations of black and latino people According to research done by facebook and mckinsey and company 77 percent of parents and guardians don't know how to help their child pursue degrees In computer science that figure increases to 83 with lower income and non college graduate parents and guardians site is available at tech prep dot fb dot com Kids don't use facebook Facebook They're on something else. What are they so so what are we like a snapchat educational? program No, just be clear. This isn't facebook at all. This isn't the site facebook This is for parents to point to a website that says hey if you're interested in getting into computer science Here's some things you need to know to help your kid get interested Yeah, i mean it is still at tech prep dot fb dot com right, but i'm saying it's not part of facebook.com Yeah, so you have you could never use facebook The the social network and still take advantage of this sure and it's into tom's point It's the kid. It's not the kids. They're even talking to it's it's to their parents and to teachers and other organizations that That still think facebook is cool or as well They can't use snapchat because It would disappear after 24 hours You would literally say snapchat ate my homework and you would get away with it because you could prove that How's your math grade? I don't know it's gone snapchat ate my career path. Oh, that's the worst Misfit introduced shrine excuse me shine I said shrine too because I have a video game called trying to and I really like it an update of its shine activity monitor The shine too is larger thinner and ships with a short band sport band rather a clasp and an action clip Oh man the action clip bringing it back a Sorry other updates include a faster processor 12 multicolored led lights a three axis accelerometer 50 meter water resistance. It's pretty good capacity sensor for improved touch response improved tap detection And the ability to get text and call notifications It even nudges you to move get off your button go the shrine I said it again the shine too comes in rose gold The hot thing this year and carbon black and sells for 99 99 online hits retail stores in november You can still get the shine one for 69 99 never used one seen a couple of them at the gym Seem pretty cool. I guess I've used one. I've used one. I think they're great. They work really nicely I think I have a feeling I may have been using the misfit flash Um, which is slightly different But the key thing when I was using it is that you don't need to charge it. It runs on a little flat watch battery So there's no sinking no charging or anything like that Now it's not good enough that I'm still using it But it was pretty good when I was using it So I'm always yeah, you know They're very interesting guys misfit if uh and also just a small side recommendation shrine to the video game is Might as well get that in there, right? There's going to be people curious. They want to know Hey, remember when I told patrick besha that the u.s. Granting EU privacy rights to EU citizens data in the u.s. Seemed like a tall order well tech crunch reports the judicial redress act Which expands privacy rights to citizens of allied nations mostly in the european union Just passed the u.s. House on a bipartisan voice vote The bill now moves to the u.s. Senate for approval. So just patrick Yeah, just noting that well patrick didn't it didn't do anything wrong. It was me that was telling patrick Oh, no, I think that will that that'll still struggle to get Voice vote bipartisan voice vote. It just sailed through I don't know why I have a hard time anytime we give patrick a win of any sort. It makes me It's good news for safe harbor though. It is though. Yeah that part I guess we could be glad about sony dropped the other shoe And that shoe was the price of the ps4 in europe It's dropped the the total amount of 50 euros and or pounds depending on where you live the ps4 will now sell For 349.99 euros in europe and 299.99 pounds in the uk australia and new zealand Also saw a price drop 479.95 and 569.95 respectively Cross a lot of money down there. Sony previously got the price of the ps4 in japan and the u.s Very aggressive moves by sony and a market that they have a huge lead in And they are dominating the console sales charts right now. Absolutely killing it Microsofts themselves have even kind of sort of admitted bill specter has kind of admitted that he doesn't think they're going to catch up But they're focused on their games and their core audience. I think this is sony's way of saying Yeah, we got a good lead But we can't get too comfortable and halo fives right around the corner And that's expected to sell a lot of microsoft consoles. So let's get out ahead of this and see what we can do So nice to see that that business continues to be Very competitive and good for us as consumers because we now get a cheaper ps4 There's a there's another angle to this story as well, which is that microsoft's Sort of strategy with the with the xbox one was a big entertainment thing, you know, you remember this at e3 You know microsoft is all about entertainment movies tv This is going to replace your cable box all this kind of stuff sony's big thing was games gamers and anything gaming the problem is is that microsoft never did any any of that tv stuff Outside of the u.s. So for everywhere else, it's all been The xbox one or the ps4 For gaming regardless and the ps4 has always been more focused on gaming So over here it's just been a no-brainer to go ps4 because not you don't get any of the benefit of the xbox one And in japan obviously it's it's all sony anyway So although to be fair phil spencer when he took over from dawn matric turned around all of that rhetoric about Entertainment and focused solely on games. So the implication of what you're saying is that Even when xbox became all about games, it wasn't enough It was maybe really Yeah, it definitely wasn't enough people people who are going to buy a new console wanted to buy one You know pretty quickly as soon as possible It gave them that sales advantage the interest stores are only going to want to keep buying and stocking these consoles based on demand And the demand over here has been for sony I know very few people here who have xbox ones everyone seems to be on a ps4 And I have a 50 000 point gamer score on my xbox account and trust me it takes a lot to give that up Yeah, uh, but I did Uh, I will say one last thing. Please hold your emails. I know I said phil specter and I meant I wasn't going to say anything. It's close to spencer. I know I do it every time. It's like trying and shine I can't help it and I bet you phil spencer could produce a pretty good album Yeah, be all right and still I hope he has nothing else in common with phil spencer though Uh, indonesian president joko wedoto will visit silicon valley next week after meeting with the u.s President obama in washington president wedoto will meet with apples tim cook as well as executives from google facebook and microsoft in an attempt to attract private investment apple would like to invest in a sustainable tin mine in indonesia as well as set up research and development operations there Uh, so here we go. We've we've had uh, norendra modi from india. We've had, uh, uh, premier g from china And now we're getting president wedoto from indonesia. They just everybody's stopping by silicon valley on their way through the country What is what does apple do with the tin mine exactly? Is it just where's all the tin go and everything we're using or people using the apple products? It's just in everything I guess or I don't know where the tin It's probably rare with minerals as well as tin, but yeah, I bet that I bet they're using a lot of tin Uh in products that they make I think I think tin cooks pretty well Is the best thing ever? Oh my god. That was great. Don't be sorry What I just saw I think you own it. That was amazing. Uh, richard underscore uk noted on the subreddit That yahu revealed a partnership with google to power some search results Including images and some search based ads the new agreement lasts until 2018 yahu can still use bing or any other provider To provide some search results as well. It's interesting to see yahu continue to be a uh a hybrid of various search technologies Uh for a company not continue return to being a hybrid of they were bing Remember they were locked down in that bing agreement for years Yeah, but when was the so but they're when they were yahu they were yahu and then at some point they said hey google We like some of your stuff this is back in the 90s They were a search directory right and then they had they'd rolled their own I think they had a partnership with altavista first if I remember right Then they had a partnership with google and then they switched everything over to bing for years And bing was powering all of their ads and and their their search thing Well, not all the ads but a lot of their ads and all of their search results now that bing exclusivity is over They're picking a little from column a a little from column b. Yeah, and you notice uh Lycos is selling fitness bands now. You notice that they are That's true blew my mind I just went to lycos one day not really paying attention thinking is that still there Where's the little dog, you know and all that and boom they're selling fitness bands and it's lycos branded and I Don't even know what to say about it I know right. Yeah info seek does uh does some uh light plumbing repair. No, they don't I've heard dog pile is Is really big in the real estate market. I think dog pile still works. Doesn't it really? No dog pile still around Let's find out zombo.com just updated there offering at zombo.co Next you'll be telling me that uh, uh, what was it hot wire? Was it hot wire? Oh, yeah, or wire. Yeah hot wire and excite would be the other words Yeah, dog pile is still around my goodness. I looked at dog pile and it's the results are terrible. So I don't know what they're doing now Um, but they're not good. 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What is interesting I think is the idea that they're bundling in google play music and youtube music key Now youtube music key makes perfect sense because It would be very confusing to have a separate youtube music service And then a youtube service that gave you that service plus more But saying google play music is part of this they wouldn't have had to do Logistically speaking. So now you're comparing a ten dollar a month service that gives you music The ability to upload your own songs Uh download songs for offline playback and youtube ad free and access to youtube original So sort of a mini netflix for the youtube generation And you've got to compare that to something like oh, I don't know amazon prime Which here in the us offers free shipping free two-day shipping as well as videos and originals from big hollywood names As well as a music service with playlists And then there's apple music with six and a half million paying customers Although still no android version and then there's spotify with 20 million paying users And is the top grossing app in ios apps Uh for uk in september and for the us just this week Nate How do you listen to music? How do you decide what to listen to music anymore? I buy CDs You seriously still buy CDs. I knew you used to do that Yeah, I still do that and i'll tell you why I still do that number one You cannot take my CDs away from me number two the quality Preservation is much better. Number three Uh, what's the third one? I don't know come back to that But I do have a number of reasons for still doing that But here's the other thing is that I tried I was using spotify as a Basically as a sampling service as in I was listening. I was discovering stuff on spotify and I was and I was happy doing that I tried apple music because I have been fastidious in managing my itunes library since 2004 I think I've had maybe 2005. I've had the same library never deleted only ever updated purged clean So I have 10 years of metadata in there that is accurate and I can make the most amazing automated playlists Um that no one else has ever been able to replicate as as well as I've been able to do by using itunes for that long That religiously so when I tried apple music for the first time I thought this is great This is this is all the perks of everything I hadn't spotify with all the advantages I've got from my own library with all this sort of You know getting with the program of streaming audio and subscription services And I can still buy CDs for the bands that I really like or that I just want to own or that aren't on apple music Or that um that I just want to listen to in higher quality um, I've you know invested a lot in the hi-fi systems and um, you know No, you can't really tell the difference that easily on a Underground metro bus whatever but when you've got you know, two or three thousand Pounds with a hi-fi kit and you know a great recording and you're sitting in front of it in a quiet room The difference is is much easier to hear. So I still buy CDs for that reason But it's it's it's it's in as well as it's not an instead of as far as ownership is concerned And I can't remember if I'm answering your question if I'm just ranting No, you're you're answering the question, which is you know, like what do you do? Because scott tell me if I'm wrong this resembles the bundling that came along with cable tv You just you used to just order cable tv and then they said hey, well, we'll do cable tv and internet together Oh, by the way, we also offer phone service. Oh now now we offer home security now We offer all these other things It seems like the internet providers of entertainment be it music or video or shipping apparently Are going the same way. They're like, hey, let's bundle it together. Yeah, it makes sense too because uh What they're up against is behemoths like netflix for example Who got on this train early and figured out models and started making it work for them and just recently had a price hike Which kind of makes that look kind of bad now and like all these things happening in the video stratosphere It makes perfect sense to me that both google and youtube would look at this opportunity and say All right, we are the biggest streaming video thing in the history of mankind Yet we're not seen as a destination for premium content ever So how are we going to do that if they just launch in my mind if they just launch youtube prime or whatever you're going to call it Uh, that's basically their Their netflix like service with original programming Movies and tv shows or whatever deals they make and it's a monthly subscription I don't think that would have been enough. I think people would have said yeah, whatever I go there for You know fail videos and and cats and I and I don't really need it for another thing to pay for I've already got that elsewhere But throwing in music and saying Hey, you know the the spotifies rdos apples and and uh google musics of the world or not google I guess that's them But you know everybody else who's trying to have a popular music service We're into this too not only that but hey A huge portion of a very important demographic already use us for all their music consumption my kids listen to more music on youtube and they probably do anything else and Adults think it's weird, but to them that is that's their mtv. That's their radio It is and the disappointing thing is that I mean, I don't want to sound like a cranky old man here But you know, let me be one for a minute the quality on youtube sucks for music It's awful. It's worse than radio. It's absolute It I'm not going to say a rude word because you know, my mom might be watching It's a little better than fm. The right me just a little bit better Right if you live next to the studio and you can hear it through the wall, maybe it's awful It's terrible. So but this is the thing The whole idea behind this google does not care At all about any of this stuff. It only cares about Consolidating user data for the purposes of better ads and that is his core business. So What it's doing is genius because it's basically saying Let's get everyone paying ten dollars For all of these services because then they are incentivized to stay within our universe, which is great And we are going to know more about that person and that makes that person more valuable to us as a user whether they're paying or not And I think that's absolutely genius. I think it's got complete genius But the thing I would never pay ten dollars for this at all unless and and it's something that I don't know if we mentioned yet The offline Offline youtube like that is killer. How many of us would pay extra to be able to download netflix shows to watch on a plane? Oh, yeah, like I don't question Yeah, sure jay. This is a very dumb question. Sorry Uh, do you think that the focus on this new original premium content will finally get them to update their tv apps? to make them look better like all the little youtube apps that show up on my street, you know on my roku or my tv set smart tv or anything like that because Those to me those interfaces have never caught up to the experience of watching it on a laptop But I wonder if this premium content will finally make it worth watching youtube on a big screen I think they have to don't they I mean they if they want to if they want to buy for time with your eyeballs It seems to me nate that they would Absolutely have to do that get get with the times in terms of what platforms it's on how quickly is it updated Um, what what do people expect from that kind of experience? You know, how how is the chrome going to play into all this? Like there's there's real opportunity for them there and they need to do that if they're serious about it If this is just all an ad grab that maybe they don't care I don't know. I think I think they do need to I mean they've started doing this They've released a completely redesigned ios app quite recently that has a new look and feel that's probably going to set The benchmark for the future look and feels of all of youtube I think part of the problem is that it's not really up to youtube What a lot of those apps look like when it's under the platforms because the approval process the testing process the Rollout process it takes forever. It's why android is so badly forked It's not because the companies don't necessarily want to update It's because of the networks and it's because it takes a long time to get these updates pushed out to all these different Sets of bucks and tv especially when you're dealing with ad tracking which even with this service that takes away ads The apps will still have to handle ads for the people who aren't subscribed And you've got a different service for roku a different one for apple tv A different one for the smart tv system a different one for tivo, etc, etc, etc Yeah, this might give them the impetus to like go start punching a little bit on those I'm sure they've been punching that it's not in their hands It's it's the fact that you've just got all of these different os's and different platforms It seems like it but but netflix is i'm not sure about that because netflix seems to go counter to that they've got Um, a pretty ad use netflix on tivo. Well, no, okay. Do you use netflix recently on apple tv? Yes Yeah, it's it's crashing sometimes and it's not very good. No, I totally agree with you but what i'm saying is for the for For the most part they try to be in all the places they can be as quickly as they can Obviously they're going to be places with bigger roll blocks or longer times or whatever But I I don't think it's impossible for them to spread that blanket a little bit And I I agree and I think the other thing is that youtube has apis You know you can build your own youtube apps if you want and in fact if you use apps on android and ios You can already have a lot of this service Already by you know google doesn't allow it but the apps will do it if they break the rules Um, and I think that that's great You know it made me wonder what netflix would be like if it had an api So you could have netflix just being pulled into other apps like and it used to have an api It was limited. Yeah, it was limited and and it was used for a lot of you know extraction of data But they they got rid of it a few years ago. Yeah getting back to the music though Buying cds can't be the ideal way for you to get music nate. No. No, it's so It looking at this you could say youtube music sounds awful But google play music is better because you can have high quality mp3s You can upload your own encoded mp3s the ones from your cds, etc You can buy better sounding music from google play music But I get I get the sense that that's probably not good enough No, it's not because they don't actually upload what they do is they make fingerprints of all the audio And then they upload the fingerprints and if there's a direct match to the fingerprint Within a certain threshold then they match it to the one that's in the store apple does this google does this amazon does this They all do the same fingerprinting thing and they'll only upload it if they don't have an identical trusted copy in the store And it's really difficult to fudge that you can't override it It is a pain buying cds, and I've definitely bought fewer cds. Um since I've been using apple music I was probably buying maybe, you know three or four a month I'm you know obsessive music guys. It's a big thing So I know that sounds weird to some people someone buys four cds a month, but I do Did and um recently it's reduced down to only a couple I I think I can only bring to mind a couple that I bought within the last two or three Probably the last two or three months. Is it is it an issue of eventually you're going to Bandwidth and storage and stuff become less of an issue and therefore lossless quality and You know getting a file that might be a who you know who cares? I'll say it's 300 gigabytes big But then the infrastructure supports it and sizes in an issue and is that you won't care anymore because it's really that problem Right? You just want you want the most raw freaking Sound quality possible It's it's it is there are two things one is definitely the storage Because I believe that it's it's not going to be too long before we have some kind of higher tier stream service like iTunes that's going to offer lossless audio or it won't be lossless actually it'll be high res it'll be 96 kilohertz 24 bit Stuff it's the kind of thing that tidal offered that when jz and his Little pop star friends did their little p i on a stage tidal. Yeah Like title is a great service and the sound quality is fantastic Um, but the problem is is that I don't I just didn't necessarily want to pay seven pounds 99 for a bunch of mp3s when I can pay six pounds 99 and get the cd And you know make them mp3s myself if I want to and I do think that it will catch up and I do think that we'll get there Um, I had a second point based on your question scott and it's it's gone The all the enthusiasm just crushed it out of my head I have that effect on people. It's fun. There was that there was that second point, but I think that You know, we're going into a really interesting era now with with these services because it is all about consolidation and music recorded music has become this Weird commodity where it's a value add for other products. So I believe that we will see Um, you know, I honestly believe that whatever this service becomes this youtube red music thing It'll eventually just become one product and it'll be called something like youtube media all plus access red key And it will be something you can buy for ten dollars Or you can get as part of a nexus phone or it'll be a nexus subscription and it'll all be rolled in in the uk A bunch of networks when they were launching 4g would throw in subscriptions to spotify my brother Changed networks because one of the networks allowed him to pay the same as he was already paying But it also gave him a 999 a year value Spotify subscription and I honestly I reckon apple music will probably do that at some point I reckon this will happen with youtube. It's where we're going. Hmm. It makes sense Yeah, it's like an xm subscription for your car or something like that when you buy it And you're like, oh, yeah, we'll throw that in and it's buy the new fire tablet and get you know, free Here's the only thing I would say that was just keep turning through my mind and I need to dump it and it's and it's this um It's not been unusual in the past for google slash youtube slash The google thing to put out something to compete with something else and then not do very well with it And examples of that meaning when I say very well, I mean over google music is an example of that That's a great example another good example is their video their video plans before youtube acquisition That that just didn't even come close to competing with youtube at the time it tried Uh, another more recent example would be buzz when it tried to sort of take on twitter and google plus when it tried to take on Facebook and those things still exist and they're still integrated. No, well buzz doesn't but but they keep them around You know google plus still has its place and kind of this universal account thing works pretty well for them But but my my point is i'm not totally ready yet to say this is an automatic slam dunk anymore than youtube game streaming was Or youtube gaming was a month ago so far that I wouldn't call it a flop But that has not been the twitch killer everybody thought it might be Twitch has proven to be resilient and people have stayed put and or a I never thought it was going to be a twitch killer either B it's too early to tell if it can succeed in some other way And this changes it because now when you pay to get rid of ads you get rid of them on youtube gaming Which probably won't save it But I still don't know what youtube gaming is going to be youtube gaming feels like what you're talking about something They launch in a competitive space and just doesn't quite find its way youtube red To me feels like an entirely different thing because they're pulling together a bunch of things And offering the main value of commercial free which people seem to be willing to pay for And saying we know it's a lot to pay for commercial free But we're also going to throw in all of this other stuff Yeah, I think there's also going to be the risk that What this allows google to do is offer people two very clear and distinct choices one disruptive ads But you're getting the stuff for free and the other is hey come on There's a small amount of money and you get ad free youtube you can download it on your tablet You can get access to all of this music for free instead of a spotify or amazon music or Pandora or whatever you're using and I do wonder whether this Is has been a response to the fact that Putting ads on youtube is really pretty bad Maybe the ads are going to get a bit more egregious and Interruptive of content because this gives people an alternative to get rid of them entirely And don't underestimate the draw of PewDiePie and the fine brothers and all of those other 10 Originals that they announced are coming next year because even though we won't pay $10 a month just to see those There are a lot of people out there that might Yeah, but they don't have any money Yeah, they have they have more money than you might think Ones that do well in the numbers that that say say They have enough money to make uh People into best selling book authors on new york times consistently. This is true. Have you read any of those books? The only other point Yeah, I'm gonna attract 15 year old 18 year olds to this music service You have to do it in a way that's a little bit less obscure than this and this opens up a whole another conversation We don't have to have now for time Yeah, yeah, but there's that whole issue of how are you going to convince a 15 year old? What youtube red is and what all the benefits are it seems obscure to somebody who just wants to hear Their favorite music or see their favorite youtube star or whatever it seems Like this is written for you and I to buy into or their parents to buy into but not them and maybe that's okay I'm just throwing it out there that there's no I disagree. This is written for them This is get rid of commercials get all the music you want watch the new originals from your favorite youtube stars I hope so whether to work or not I I I wonder but it does seem Can I ask think about think about being a 15 year old just for a second and You're a fan of pewdiepie And I've never watched a pewdiepie video because I saw the thing on south bark and thought i'm never watching whatever that is in reality But would you imagine That pewdiepie has the kind of poll that could get kids to pay themselves into a paywall Basically is you're thinking of the wrong demo think of 21 think of 24 year olds and then yes That's an interesting point if that's correct. I'm not sure his demo is that age group though I think his demo I think it's skews younger. I could be I don't have I don't have any data to back it up But my guess is yes, it's 18 to 34s me me too. I've got no data for it I have none but all I hear is 15 year olds talking about pewdiepie Oh, yeah, and they love him too, but that's like saying I don't know if that Beyonce is going to amount to anything Because she appeals only to 15 year olds and they can't afford to buy music Yeah, I've got an idea. I don't know if that mtv is going to catch on it seems to appeal to 15 year olds Well, you could say I don't know about that one direction in about 10 years They're all going to be washed up and nobody's what appeals to 15 year olds often appeals to people in their 20s as well That's all I'm saying Maybe even more so than ever I so tom's kind of right on this I hate the heat that you're right on that. I think I think tom is right. I I agree I I think you are right But the other thing that makes me think is there was this this will sound like a tangent but bear with me Two or three months ago There was a study done by the Reuters Institute of Journalism in in the uk and they did this study that Was to try and determine how much Millennial audiences would be prepared to pay for news The study showed that 75 percent of all the people surveyed would pay nothing For news in a year not a single penny or cent But of the 25 percent that said they would pay the average they would pay over the course of an entire year Was 4 pound 70 so that's less than 10 dollars in a whole year for all news anywhere ever It makes me wonder then what you would have to do to get though that demographic paying for news Because they are paying a lot of money in in-app payments They're paying for stuff in very small tiny granular ways in a way that makes up 98 percent of androids revenue because that's how much comes from in-app payments versus pay to download So it makes me wonder whether a service like this. It's 10 dollars a month could be paid for in small installments As part of buying say a bundle of in-app credits to use with youtube or with Android gaming or something like that where if you basically spend enough You become entitled to have this subscription for a month or so on so you're not asking them to pay It's a 10 dollar a month subscription or it's a hundred dollars a year or whatever But you're sort of getting them to pay that amount of money through a kind of side door via Micro payments or in-app payments through android or something like that. No, and if that if that could work Then this will this will blow everyone away. It'll never happen. By the way, just too complicated Probably not but it works with mobile gaming. So maybe you're onto something. It's it's possible But it seems it seems like a far far bridge to me probably Let's get to our pick of the day from skip in tallahassee Whose pick is terminator a terminator terminator emulator for the linux and os 10 He's an open system administrator and terminator. He says has made my life so much easier It supports tabs split terminals and terminal grouping and the ability to send the keyboard input to multiple machines at once It also supports profiles and the ability to easily change the font and palette settings for the terminal Most linux users can find terminator in their distributions Repositories and os 10 users can find it in the think project. That's f.i.n.k Thank you skip send your picks to us feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can find my picks at daily tech news show Dot com slash picks now to your point on news Nate mic and sunny and crisp dc has been a print new york times subscriber for a while But I haven't touched the physical paper for about three years. Here's how that's possible I like reading the paper on the app on my nexus 7 or surface But the baseline digital subscription will only give you access to the phone app on the other hand The weekender subscription is a few bucks less than the full access digital subscription And not much more than the basic subscription I have the paper go to a friend's place and just read the content digital digitally I guess the ads in the print edition are so valuable that the digital edition is actually priced at a premium That said I can't claim credit for figuring out that price difference is due to ads that has to go to my mom That sounds as convoluted as the suggestion. I just came up with And that works that work. Maybe mine can work. Maybe you can maybe you're right. How do you say it? I'm wondering Well, that is it for this edition of the daily tech news show Go follow Nate Langston on twitter twitter.com slash Nate Langston. It's n a t e l a n x o n And subscribe to text message te ch s text message dot co dot uk The most recent episode i'm on but you got more in the hopper. I know Yeah, I've got loads in the hopper and I have to say the episode I did with you tom the feedback on that has been amazing Like really very very very good. I've noticed that I've gotten some of that too Which is all which is great was a fun conversation to have with you about podcasting and patreon and all that stuff Definitely a lot of people so and that that was sort of the first in this series I've been thinking about for a little while called the state of podcasting I've got other ones i'm doing around science podcasting and comedy and and two more other ideas around making money from podcasting Um, so yeah, and we do one every week. It's very european uk sort of focused stuff Um, but uh, yeah, hopefully it can be of interest to you You wonderful listeners as well got a lot of european and uk listeners in the audience So go check it out folks text message dot co dot uk Uh scott johnson frog pants dot com twitter dot com slash scott johnson. What do you got going on? Oh, there's no meaning things and we had a great new show about heroes of the storm called core If you'd like heroes of the storm and blizzard games in general I think people might enjoy it If you like the instance a lot like that except focused very squarely on the game of heroes of the storm You can find that at frog pants dot com slash core and like you said Everything i do is on twitter at scott johnson. 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I thought the story was there's like Oh, there's like three left in existence and You've been saving them for today There's the problem was uh There are a lot of delorians, but uh, there was no delorean service Shaw's in order to get it fixed And one and one individual went through and he found All the remaining leftover parts from the factory and brought him over And he's like the he's like the only delorean parts dealer in the world. I think he's based somewhere in northern california, I think Um, but he has like, you know extra fenders Of hoods and stuff if you need to replace it because they I mean, I even though it's stainless steel It's sort of in a composite body. It still falls apart over time Huh, well, I was just curious. I wonder if one day will all be there'll be a movie and then some cultural significance And in 35 years, it'll be teslas will be like hard to get and uh, weird With teslas the way they're designed it'd be very easy to create a new body And that goes over the the underlying chassis. Yeah, you do like a delorean tesla um What do they call it? Not a homage like when you do when you do a replica And you can have like a replica delorean thing with a would it be a replica? Well, I guess it wouldn't be because it wouldn't be an actual lorry without um Would you like some titles tom marrett? Yes, please cut off this fascinating discussion of car parts, which i'm very into um, we've got ios gives you the middle finger Which I kind of really love Get off nates lawn Which I kind of really love. Yeah YouTube gets a red light snapchat ate my career path taco And I like all of those actually wonder estimate the power of pewdie pie What's uh, which one's your favorite jenny? Oh You know ios gives you the middle finger because it's accurate Nate scott you guys got favorites. I like to get off my lawn lawns Get off your nates lawn I don't have a preference. I I think I think I would agree with jenny. Maybe that the uh ios gives you the middle finger because it's a two-tiered thing. It's both right It's literally and figuratively true, which roger. What about I like middle finger in general The middle fingers have it You're already here first. He likes little finger. It's his favorite character game of thrones loves the little finger I sense a snorb Well, we have done one of those in a while. I know What's a snorb? Oh, it's a long wash. I'll send you a slack link and you'll see. Okay It was basically scott had the idea of me coming up with weird things that I to say as concepts for him to draw Oh On the regular and it would be like one of tom's like weird, you know, it's like weird little um Not not metaphors, but like you know little liner things. Yeah And then I would try to illustrate him. It was a lot of fun I might try that with my girlfriend. She does similar she does similar things. Um she um She does a lot of very sort of odd cartoon type art and the other day drew a Full-sized octopus holding a load of balloons just out of nowhere And just sent it there was no context to begin with like I would just send scott The alien never saw the monkey coming right and then I would try to translate it. It was a really a good exercise That's a great idea. That's a great idea. In fact, you know what tom at two what I've still got in fact, are they here? No They're not here. She um She made a this little wooden peg doll of uh of jane way Oh, wow and um sells them on on etsy and and sold that one That's great. Yeah, they're um They're pretty neat. I'm trying to I'm always trying to think of odd. I got it to do one for elders my elder scrolls Does it have a little cup of coffee? I think it does. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah But there's coffee in that nebula Yeah, do it right Well, this has been fun Yeah, a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. Uh, I just put that link everyone Oh, cool. Oh except Yeah, this was great, mate. Thank you so much. No, thank you. It's uh, it's always good fun I always get very passionate about music and media and subscription stuff because it's it's one of these things where I sort of feel that everything gets about 90 percent Great, but it's the 10 percent that I want and that's the bit that they always seem to get kind of wrong For me at least um, well, and that's what I love about bringing your perspective in there Because Scott and I will be like, oh, this service costs a little more than that What's more convenient for us to get our music and you'll be like it doesn't sound good enough. Damn it It doesn't it really doesn't though It doesn't and I'm not one of these people that says, you know, you should only buy super audio CD or blu-ray audio And only 5.1 is good enough for me Um, it's not because a lot of the time everything is basically fine like in the world of technology Everything's basically fine and we all argue over, you know, the one percentage of Tech that everyone's trying to outdo each other in But when you get down to it there's You know, it's not it's not an all or nothing world in media And that's what I love is that if you can mix and match Then you have you have the benefit of choice and that's what makes it so good So I'm always on the lookout for you know What can I blend my own kind of weird fastidious curation of cd-based audio libraries with my own Desperate love to wish that Spotify was in lossless or allowed me to merge My iTunes and Spotify library together or it's the same way it's the same with amazon then netflix like netflix is going to start doing news now Which means that amazon will probably start doing news in about six weeks Well, hold on just to be clear netflix wants to do vice-like documentaries That's what they mean by news just so people don't get the wrong impression and think they're going to do like the nightly newscast Yeah, we're like a today's show every day or something like that. Oh, you know, it's only a minute away really They're gonna have john stewart. They're gonna have, you know, whatever our english equivalent to john stewart Well, they have chelsea handler and that's what they they pointed out when they were clarifying news Is like we're talking about stuff like that so you may not be far off on the john stewart thing That'd be interesting I think I think you know the amount of money amazon and netflix are throwing at this You know the report is something like 130 million pounds for that first series of the the next top gear that amazon's doing Like that's ludicrous money like crazy money They did get thinking if amazon got into doing news Like if you imagine amazon actually doing news as part of amazon prime And you're watching a report about, you know, the refugee crisis or syria or isis or whatever And you're watching it thinking man, this looks massive But I have absolutely no idea what any of this is and I don't know the context Wouldn't it be great if it's like you recently watched the news you may be interested in and hear a several books or audio books or DVDs about the history of that topic Or something along those lines like amazon is just if they get into that and they will if netflix is because you know amazon's like Like that is amazing like that's just going to change How people consume news and that makes i'll tell you a company that's blowing it as far as news goes right now is youtube Because youtube has everything you just talked about Like the young turks are the most famous, but there's all kinds of good quality news content Buried on youtube. Yeah buried is the key word. I mean, where do you start? I can barely find my own videos half the time and I know exactly what my name is And I struggle to find it it took me three searches to find the link to the live stream from you today Tom because I tried dt and now I tried uh tom merit Then I tried ace detect tom merit youtube live And then I eventually probably should have done the first time is type tom merit dt and s live youtube But it still took me a while to get that and i'm on it And it took me that long. Yeah, so I yeah I agree completely It's curation isn't it because they rely so much on automation. Maybe they need better. They need better curation That's why they're doing a kids app. That's why they're doing a gaming app That's why they're doing a music app They're just they're picking them off in order of profitability. Oh, so you're saying next is news I don't know if next is news But it would make sense to me for them to do a news app because if they had curated news Headlined by young turks. Maybe even with a an original funded thing through young turks The sad thing is is that's kind of that's buzzfeed, right? That's buzzfeed vice huff po They are the youtube news channel. Yeah, that's all their content And they do revshare with all of them. Jenny. Am I am I crazy? Uh about what about news Well, what's your opinion on news? I'm sorry matt flanagan is on me about reading his script I was not trying to call you out in class. I was just like we're talking about news and jenny's not saying anything I know because matt's all over me to read his draft of a script that he has to turn it in Okay, but uh, but wait tell me in a nutshell your point of view because I will have a point of view That's basically what you want to come to the front of the room and do the problem for us Nate said That that netflix and amazon would be smart to create a news program that would then Like send you into other things like especially amazon could sell you books, etc And I was saying youtube could do all of that right now if they just curated it But you can't find anything news related on youtube without running into things that are crap So like if you know about young turks, maybe you find that but there's lots of great news content on youtube That is just not surfaced. Yeah, and I think that's because people don't when people think about news as an entity they hate it They are mad at it. They think it sounds like broccoli It sounds like broccoli But when you show them an amazing documentary or you show them a really well crafted sunday morning piece They're like, I love this you braze it in butter You actually I think at this point need to destroy the terms news and media and journalist and come up with Better words that have not been so attacked or do a really good branding campaign and make the word journalist Different than the word media or content producer or whatever because there is a difference You heard it folks jenny said destroy journalists You know what you're so You're so right and I was sitting agreeing Um with one of your your guests from uh, I think the african tech Or um, oh eric holander Last week. Yeah, who who said, you know, don't talk about africa like it's a country It's loads of countries and loads of different languages and cultures and dialects and everything and I like it was Yes, they do like they um It's it was one of those moments where you sit there on on a train nodding to your headphones and saying yes Yes, and everyone looks at you thinking Oh What what's happening good time? He's discovered the truth I've been looking at at bloomberg because we're you know Looking to launch in in you know big african edition next year And it really bugs me that I keep saying things like africa edition because africa is not a country it's it's many many many countries and I mean, we never do north american anything and there's only three countries I mean unless you you should count central america, but but generally people only mean three countries and they still don't say North american edition or north american report or anything like that Well, we just changed we've just changed the addition name on bloomberg to be americas Oh, so you're just lumping south and north america all together. Yeah, well, we have to because it was previously called global And you know, it's not global really it's it's it's global, but it means america and so We changed it to be america's europe and asia does I think the economist does an america's Section, but then they also do a u.s. And canada section separately. They do they have a separate u.s section The bbc groups u.s. And canada as a as a single subheading for news But the the economist also does a separate china one as well because they The u.s. And china are the only countries in the economist. They get their own subheading just do the their financial prowness, I guess How much they make up of the world economy, but uh the americas include south Our latin america and canada and the caribbean You have the middle east in africa And you have the ages though is the weirdest one to me because that's like more than that's over half the world's population Yeah, exactly. I mean, I mean sometimes we say asia and sometimes we say apac, you know asia pacific and Or we say amir, which is even more confusing europe middle east africa Well, it's it's weird because for example, australia New zealand and a lot of the pacific islands used to be grouped under oceana And then there's a recent trend to kind of group all those under asia because that's kind of like You know the the rising pacific rim You know economies and all that but I mean it goes back to what you were saying about africa is not a country All those various locations actually have different governments. They have different cultural histories that Don't don't automatically lend themselves, you know, not just politically but economically in the same mindset, so it's it's kind of weird and it does give a false Sense or understanding of a region when you just kind of group everything and it's not to say that groupings aren't Are are wrong. I mean, you know, for example, I I would agree with an angler who was speaking You know grouping for like Canada the u.s. Australia, britain uh, new zealand and uh I guess maybe half of india, but uh, we're we're there are common cultural You know ties where you can you you can make a broad-based Assumption, but you know when you even in europe, it's kind of weird too for me. Yeah. Yeah Are you talking are you talking about scandinavia? Are you talking about the mediterranean countries? Are you talking about the central eastern european countries? They all have I mean, you look at the eu in any kind of debate over budgets Portugal or any of the other countries or what to do with the syrian refugee situation and it's you get all these various Viewpoints and it's and it's never cohesive. I mean I they wanted to but it's it's never going to be Yeah, it's it's really it's really very difficult. I mean it's weird for us because we're in europe But no one really here considers themselves Like european, you know, we talk about europe like it's somewhere. We're not You know, we say oh, it's it's um, you know else, you know somewhere in europe It's sort of like we're acknowledging that we are the uk and then there's europe I mean, we don't even have the euro So, you know, we're in europe and we're one of the only european countries. It doesn't use the euro And there's a lot of talk going on at the moment about exiting the euro exiting europe entirely Which is definitely not a conversation for now Obsensing that the general gist of this conversation is words matter Yeah, it's it's the words matter, but I think and this is this is my argument about words is Words are are the vn product of a line of thinking it's it's And what happens is what you do is you transmit that line of thinking Through particular concepts you and view words whether or not they're correct and that just gets passed around Eventually and it becomes like oh Yeah, I agree Well, you rounded yourself with brilliant people. How why is that? How I know I hate to do this because this is such a cool conversation But uh, i'm going to have to take us off No, do some other things, but thank you everyone. No, that's fine. I have to go to bed. So So that's that's fine, but I it's it's such an interesting Conversation, but uh, well, thank you ever so much for for everything. I'll I'll tweet things when they're when they're live Yeah, they're all live now Great, and I'm just video is because I haven't stopped it yet, but as soon as I stop it, it'll be live live Yeah, I've just been looking at snob. This is complete in total genius All right. Thanks everybody. Thank you