 Okay, so we had, we just came out of executive session and the board, the only thing the board has to report is that we met with an employee who has resigned their position in executive session. So Liz is Mark gonna be on. I believe so, Jan, do you know? Denise, I think we wanted to add that we did an exit interview with that person. Well, that's basically what I said, but I didn't call it an exit interview, but that's what we did. So I guess we will wait a couple of minutes, call the meeting to order at seven, what is it, 703, Katie? Regular session. Yep. And is there public comment for items not on the agenda? And additions or changes to the agenda? Liz, did you want to add anything to the ECCT? Thank you. I believe, did Mark send the additional resolution for drug-free workplace? Yes. Yes. Okay, that was the only other thing, but I can just briefly address all of them when we get to that. And that's on the agenda already. Okay. Yeah, I think it was just an oversight in the emails. Cliff, is Mark trying to sign on by any chance? Not yet. I wonder if he's having internet problems. Is there anything we can do while we wait? I'm just calling his house right now. Liz, do you want to just give an update of where things are at? Yeah, I'm happy to do that. Thank you all for taking time for this. I know it's budget season, so it's a lot. So the, basically the BCDP grant process gets kicked off with you all passing a resolution that approves it. Let's the community development program know that you approve applying for the grant. And then that triggers a whole bunch of requirements that flow through the state from the federal US Department of HUD. So that's what you're seeing tonight are a group of documents that are all tied up to the federal regulations that the state has to make sure all municipalities agree to when they apply for community development funds. So that's just an overview. And so the initial document is the resolution to apply for the funds. And then along with that comes an anti-displacement resolution which essentially only kicks in when you're gonna actually convert a lower or moderate income housing use it or take it away off the market. So I'm sorry, what I got ahead, what Denise has up is, or I'm sorry, what you all have up on your screen is that is the resolution itself. And single applicant just means that you're applying as just East Calis, as just the town of Calis, not like you're not joining with like Woodbury and Adamant and other towns. That's called a consortium application and that's different. So this just lays out that you meet these requirements, you have a municipal plan. In terms of regional planning commission, I have that letter from Claire Rock at the Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission and she has established that the project is consistent with the regional plan. And then you've designated a contact person and Sharon is the proxy. And essentially it's just saying that you're gonna comply with this single audit act but technically it won't apply to you because they only audit grants of over 750,000 but what they will do is like a monitoring visit based on all of the requisitions we submit but it's not like an audit, it's not like they go through your books and tie everything out again. Before we go on Liz and everyone else and the folks on the board, I thank you, you've answered actually a couple of the questions I have had on this one. So one is that, yes, we have checked in with the Regional Planning Commission and the project is consistent with the plan. Thank you for saying that. They only audit grants over 750,000. So, and then I'm gonna suggest to the board that when we approve this, we approve with a couple of minor changes that I'm assuming will be considered non-substantive, Liz. One is that we're resolving number one and number two and then are the following, are the one, two, three, four, five that come after subs of number two? Or are they? Yes. Okay. They instill poorly. Okay, so you wouldn't mind if we made them, indented them and made them bullets, was that allowed? Yeah, that's fine. Okay, that's one thing. On the first sub one, the applicant or the sub one, this applicant has a duty, a duly adopted and current. Okay, nevermind, I misread that the first time. So that's fine. The other change that I would request is that in line four where it says, since the chair has recused, I'm designated, I'm not designated because Denise is recused, I'm designated because the board designated me, right? Subtle difference, it doesn't, it might have been me anyway. I'm running or it could have been Rose, even though I'm, the fact that I'm chairing the board discussions is because Denise is recused. Yeah, I don't see any current saying that. I'm not saying that, but Denise's point is that I am appointed by the board, not because you're recused, just because they appointed me. It could have been Rose, so that number four, we can say it, but we don't have to say it. I don't feel like, actually I do, no, we don't have to say that I'm appointed because Denise is recused. The board can appoint anybody it wants to to stand in the shoes of the board as a delegate to take action for the board. So it should say that the board designated select board members Sharon Nguyen as the authorizing official for the grants management online. That's really what that line should say. So that's a change that I'm just bringing and Liz, I'm assuming there's no problem with that Well, I would just say that, I mean, this is really a question kind of, what's happening here is that, this isn't a federal regulation, but the state does word this document as in terms of Vermont practices, a way of recognizing that the chair is like the CEO of the municipality. So the original document. That's not true. The select board is the CEO. Okay, well, all I can share with you is that the original document, like the language has the chair of the select board or ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba. So technically, legally, I'm sure it's fine. What you're saying, I think what you're saying is true, it's a nuance. It's not because of this, then that. I just want to share with you. The original language does say that. Right, but, you know, that's why I put in the, I mean, obviously when the chair has a conflict of interest and recuses themselves, then it goes to the vice chair. But that's to run the meeting. The select board can appoint anybody. So we could have appointed, unless I'm misunderstanding, of the select board can appoint any member of the board to serve as the delegate of, or the, I'll choose delegate for lack of the, maybe a better word, the designee of the board to stand in the shoes of the board to work with the group. And even if Denise had been chairing, it might not have been Denise because, because, you know, we do a nice job of sharing the work around and other people do things too. Does that make sense? I personally don't think you're going to run into any problems because of this. That's what I would expect. I mean, the point is that it's the board and I happen to be the one acting on behalf of the board. I agree with Sharon's intent and I would like to see number four changed to reflect that. I just put in the chat the original language. So if that helps at all, that's all I can share. Right. And generally, I didn't, I don't remember this particular one, but in other, and this could have been the one I looked at really recently, the board is the CEO. We as a group are the CEO of the town, which is different than maybe like a mayor or. A town manager. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Gotcha. So, and then I can't see down at the bottom of whether Judy Fitz Roberts. Yeah, it's unlikely that I will go over to the town office to have this notarized. I'll probably have my office mate and not failure do it for me so we can take Judy's name out. Right. So those are the things that I had on this one. So sorry. I didn't mean to create so much, whatever. Whatever. No, let's do it right. Yeah, thank you. Okay. So Liz, I'm gonna, that's what I had on this one since we were on it. Rose Cliff, and John's not here. Rose and Cliff, do either of you have anything you wanna add on this? This is the document where we authorize, where the select board authorizes the application resolves to authorize, resolves to apply, I guess. I'm fine with the recommended changes that you offer. Yeah, I'm fine with that. Thanks. Okay. Why don't we go through them all and then approve them as a group with one motion? Liz, go ahead, keep going. Okay, thank you. So just to take up the municipal policies and codes. I'm sorry, I incorrectly wrote village, or no, someone checked town. Okay, great. I changed that. Thank you. So this is the technically the language they want you to have on your books that complies, again, it ties up to federal regulations. And I believe you have some EEOC language already. This just kind of expands on that. And then the fair housing policy is likely new for you. And that gets connected with just someone at some point before the grant is over, will need to participate in a video training of a fair, it's a fair housing training. It's just like a few hours long. And you just have to get the training list from the Vermont Community Development Program and then show that somebody did it. And all of this only applies when you're using community development funds. So if the grant is awarded and you never apply for community development funds again, then this all just becomes dormant. Excessive force as you've probably seen before, federal lobbying is standard. And that would actually apply, I think, to when you're using these funds, that's what they're talking about. So if you're doing federal lobbying with some other money, it doesn't apply to that as long as it's not federal. Same with code of ethics and then drug free workplace is its own, it's in here. And then they also have it as a separate resolution. So some of this is likely redundant. Whistleblower is fairly standard. So these are all just as they're called standard municipal policies and codes when you're using federal money. Can you say again, there's a training we're supposed to do or someone should do? Yes. That is worth having Katie capture as an action item. So we don't forget. Yes. So there's a requirement that someone take a video training online and the department will provide the links and the schedule or it might just be anytime you're able to do it. And it's pretty broad as far as when you need to do it. You just need to demonstrate to them that you've done it. They might make it a condition if you get a grant award of the grant agreement. Okay. So. It applies if we get the grant, right? If you get the grant. We should be so lucky, right? Yeah. I mean, all of this is only if you get the grant. Is it the type of training that's relevant to all of these policies and it really should be the town or is it a training that makes more sense for someone from ECCT to do? Yeah. It's a fair housing training. So it's really about housing discrimination. So yeah. Okay. Thank you. Could I ask a question? This is Jan. Does this policy then that added to our website that we have enacted it? We've got our policies and ordinances on our website. Does this get added to it for public review? Or is this something that we just kind of keep in the file relative only to this grant? I would say any policy that we pass is out of the town policy regardless of whether it's, you know, ends up being broadly useful or not and it should be on the website. Okay. Folks, others Rose Cliff? I'm not quite so sure about that. If it, I'm just not quite so sure about that. I think it depends whether you get the grant. If you get the grant, then I would agree with Sharon. Yeah. Oh, that's a point. Yeah. So all right. Well, it's a, then, then. Yeah. As a general, as a general matter, our policies and every once in a while we do come across one that we need. It isn't on the website. So that's what goes on in my head is the ones before we had a website. Katie can put it on the list of things to keep in mind or check out later. Right. Okay. Cliff, do you have anything you want to add? You're unmuted. I see. Yeah. If we, if we get the grant, there could be a section on the website that discusses this project and associated documents related to it will be stored there. And it'll be much easier to manage with our revised website that's coming soon to a screen near you. Okay. Liz, back to Liz. Okay. Any other questions on the municipal policies and codes or should I move on to the drug free workplace? I think, I think we're ready to move on. Okay. So this is a pullout of all the municipal municipal policies and codes. I believe because it ties up to a different federal regulation. I don't know why it's pulled out. Some archaic reason associated with federal regulations, I'm sure. And, you know, it essentially just talks about your employees being drug free and what happens if someone's convicted and all of that kind of protocol. It may be because states are, states are legalizing certain substances, formerly illegal substances. And, but if you use federal funds, that doesn't matter. You can't go by state law. You have to go by federal. Liz, does that mean that with the state law on marijuana? It's a federal offense with marijuana, but the states, are you saying that this policy here is going to override what we have in the state? Yes, I believe that's why it's pulled out. That doesn't surprise me. There is a very well-known tension between the states and we're not alone. States laws on marijuana and federal laws that we all just kind of live with, but we know it's there. Okay, does anybody have any questions about the drug free workplace? This is the one actually, in the draft we got earlier, Liz, at the top it says town of, it has east callus. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I changed it. Did you change it? I did, yeah. So now it says each of these. Maybe we can make the supply only in east callus. Okay, so there is a version, but not the one we have. Well, actually, you know what? I don't think, you know how it says east callus at the top? I attempted to edit them, but I don't think I did a good job on this one. I will, you sent me word copies, Mark. So I will, assuming that they're, I assume if they're word, I can edit them. So I will make that change. Good. And then is it issued by, that's a question I have. Isn't it both issued by the select board and approved by the select board? Yeah, that could be. It's just, you know, this is such a generic thing. It can be any, it imagines a large staff. Right. Which we're clearly not. Okay. Anybody, Rose, Cliff, questions, comments on this one? No, sounds good. All right. Sorry about the village town thing. I think I spent too much time in Franklin County where you got a lot of villages and towns with the same name. So the next would be the anti-displacement plan. And really the purpose of this is saying that if you are going to demolish a housing unit with low and moderate income people or convert it to a non-housing unit, you will comply, you will basically try not to do that with these funds, but if you had to, you would do a permanent relocation plan compliant with the Uniform Relocation Act. So in this case, the funds are not being used to take a lower moderate income unit off the market. So you're not gonna hit this provision, but you still have to have it on your books. Thank you for making that really clear. It's not gonna, as a practical matter, it doesn't apply, but we have to have it on the books anyway. Exactly. Okay. Cliff Rose, questions? Sounds good to me. No questions. Right. And then finally is the notice of the public hearing is really just to show you what the language contains. It's pretty much a template. And we set it up to hold it right before your next meeting on January 25th. So it could start at 6.15 and we appreciate Sharon's willingness to be there. The BCDP staff did want someone from the select board to be there. And if no one shows up, we could, well, we could warn it for 6.15 to 6.45 even. Whatever you're comfortable with. And the other thing I wanted to point out is we're putting in a grant amount that's higher than what the request will likely be just so we're covered because you never wanna err on the other side. Okay. And then there's a very general description of the project. So the public understands what the grant application is for and then we will, ECCT's consulting group pine consulting will be able to send people the narrative and the budget when they request it because people are entitled to read that before the public hearing. So they have a greater understanding of the project if they wanna ask questions and find out more. What I'll need to do is just make sure this TTY number is accurate and how that works. And so we can figure all that out in the event that someone has a hearing impairment, we'll be prepared to serve them or maybe you all have some protocols set up. And if anyone needs special accommodations, we would work with the town on achieving that. Is this literally our Zoom meeting link or Cliff? Is this one of ours or is this coming? It is ours. That would be our preference if we can do that. Well, if I took this from an email that said was a transmission of an email from you that said this was the link, is it accurate? It is, it's accurate. Denise asked me to set up the meeting and I sent her the email and she forwarded it onto the rest of the ECCT. Liz, this is Dan, will you be submitting this to the Times Argus or will you be asking somebody on ECCT to do that? Thank you for bringing that up, Jan. I forgot to mention that the Secretary of State has suspended those rules so that public hearings no longer need to be warned in a publication of circulation with a tear sheet. So instead, they want it to be posted at the post office and the town offices. And then Denise mentioned it could be in front porch form, which I think would be wonderful because they'd probably reach more people. So that's all they're requiring now under the pandemic. All right, thanks. Okay, so this is our Zoom link, which means that Cliff, I don't know if you have other reasons you would like to attend this. And you don't need to, I can drive. The only thing I get concerned about is if it actually does have a number of participants and we're trying to, an unexpected number of people showing up and then we've got a moderating and driving and fielding questions a lot. That's a lot going on if it's a big meeting. In your experience Liz, and I think you've said there's no particular reason we should expect that. Well, that's been my experience, but I have to say that the inclusion of front porch form is a newer thing. So it's possible in a small community that people will tune into that. Plus, people are in the habit of kind of like finding out what's on Zoom these days. And then it's an easier way to participate because you don't have to go somewhere. So it's very possible. And we would be happy to manage the Zoom if it's easier for us to put a link in either from client consulting or someone on ECCT. We could work that out if it's easier. Yeah, it's not a problem for me to be there just to help organize things or whatever. Sharon, I can log in, assign co-hosts to you and then we both will have the ability to manipulate things within the meeting, pull things up on screen and whatnot should the need arise. And if nobody shows up, then it's pretty straightforward. If there's a lot of people showing up, there'll be both of us there to help keep things moving along. That sounds good. If nobody shows up, then I can sit with, that was one of the questions, who's gonna be there with me? So Cliff, but Cliff, if nobody shows up and we're just sitting here, then I can certainly manage a Zoom room that's not overly active. Liz, you'll be there? Yes, for sure. And Brian will be there and Mark and folks from the ECCT, I assume you guys will be there. Yeah. Okay. Do we need to take minutes? Yeah, we can do that. Or you, I mean, whenever you prefer, but we're happy to do that. Okay, great. Thank you. Okay. Do you want it recorded? Sure. Okay, thanks, though. Yeah, thank you. Okay, great. Okay, so we're applying for up to 400,000. That's likely high. And Denise, this is just a process question for Denise. Denise, if we send this to the normal group that you send it to when you do select board postings, it will land in all the right places. Yeah, I'm happy to send it out to all those folks. That's okay. I can do that if it's that group, because we all, you copy us on all of that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Anybody, any other questions? Cliff and Rose? No questions. I'm fine. Thank you. Thank you all so much. Liz, are you finished and you're ready for us to go ahead and approve? Okay. So I'm just quickly glancing through. There were a couple of housekeeping things on the drug-free workplace policy, the issuing body and the town correction. I don't think we made any changes on the notice itself or the broader municipal policies and codes. We talked through several changes on the resolution to make the application. So it's four documents, two of which we have some changes. No, it's five. One, two, three. It's five documents. The resolution to apply the big book of municipal policies and codes, the pullout of drug-free workplace, the anti-displacement and relocation plan, and the notice for public hearing. I suppose we don't have to approve the notice. Do we have to approve a notice for public hearing? I guess we can. We also can't approve it. We can approve the posting of it. All right. So is there a motion to approve these five documents with the changes we've discussed? Moved. Second. Thank you. And I think you've already approved me to be the person acting on behalf of the town. So we probably don't really need to say that, but I'm just saying it anyway. Okay, let's vote. Rose. Aye. Cliff. Aye. And I'm an aye. That's it. We're a small group tonight. Thanks, guys. Liz and Mark, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for all the time. Appreciate it. We appreciate all your hard work. Yeah, this is a really exciting project. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Denise. As soon as we get our $400,000, then you'll really see how excited we are. Yeah. I don't know, Liz, are you sure it's just $400,000? How about $500,000? I like your numbers. All right. Take care. Thank you, everyone. Thank you. Back to you, Denise. Okay, I don't know that there was much of anything that Toby wanted to talk about other than he wanted us to approve the certificate of highway mileage, which we do every year. And if you look at the form, the mileage hasn't changed from last year. So there's really a non-issue. So would the board like to approve the certificate of highway mileage, which is due February 10, 2021? So move. Is there a second? Second. Right. Any questions? Would you like to, let me see, who has to sign this? Would you like to authorize me to sign this on behalf of the board since... Yeah, friendly amendment. Yes. Yes. All right, let's vote. Rose? Yes, aye. I'm an aye. Cliff? Aye. And Sharon? Aye. Aye-aye, captains. Okay. I see Alfred's name there. I don't see your body. So hopefully you can hear us. Alfred, we're ready for you. There you are. How are you? I'm okay. Good. So thank you for sending around that evaluation from, what is it, Shane? Shane Grosz? Shane Grosz Trucking. Okay. Truck and Trailer Repair. Yep. So do you just want to run through that real quick, just so we can have it on the record? Yeah. Well, I don't know if that's what you asked for or not, but it was that he's the guy that works on that, work on that truck. And does the Vermont State Inspection? So he's a Shane Grosz employee. Who is it? He's the owner. Okay. Who, what's his name? Evan. Evan Shane Grosz. He has a shop in Williamstown that he works on big trucks. And that's getting harder and harder to find anybody local to work on trucks. So I've tried him out a little bit and I seem to be happy with his, with his work. Good. Very good. Does the board have any questions on the evaluation? I did look through it. Can we, the rest of the... Well, it's sort of... Yeah, I just, it says it passed a State Inspection with minor repairs needed, but it shows signs of a lot of rust and deterioration. And he's worried and a list below for it to pass inspection this year. A list below is rusted body and frame. Thank you, Cliff. Rusted... Dump body. Dump body, body chain. Yeah, it's a side dump. So every one of our trucks has a chain in it which delivers it to the front of the truck and then it drops down in front of the wheels. All of our trucks are set up that way. And this particular truck gets the body, like the bottom of the chain, has seen so much sand that it's wearing holes through it. So between the rust and the wear of the chain with the brace of sand, it's very thin and it's not going to hold together much longer. When is it due to be inspected in 2021? Just got inspected like last month, so... Oh. So as far as inspection goes, we're legal until next year. Well, to the end of this year we're in. Correct. Yeah. Right. And what's this? Obviously, I don't know a lot about motors, but stuff is leaking. He says that there's motor oil leaking from the filter housing around the filter housing. So does that have to do with the head gasket? No, that's to do with the oil filter housing, which is what holds the filter. It's part of the motor and it's a big job to change it. The ABS monitor and wiring, we've had constant trouble with that and I think it has a lot to do with just that it's an old truck and a lot of the wiring is worn and chased from vibration over the roads. Did he give you an estimate of what all this would cost to fix it? No, no, because as far as, like you said, as far as this year, it didn't... These repairs aren't required for inspection this year. But, you know, next year it's, of course, it's going to be a year older. It's going to be that much more use. Yeah, yeah. We may find ourselves repairing it before then, such as the body, the inside of the body, where it's rusted. If that catches, if that chain catches on that worn rusted steel, it's not going to work. It's going to bind up. And, you know, his concern is material falling out of the body as it goes down the road. If it's got holes in the body, it's going to fall down onto the road. And bounce on to other cars. So that's certainly something that's going to have to be addressed at some point, if we keep it. I mean, it is a 12-year-old truck. Yeah. Does the board have any other questions? Yeah, go ahead. Me, pleasure. Alfred, this is this just to get things straight in my head. So a couple of weeks ago, you brought a proposal to buy a truck and that was not available anymore, but that would have replaced this one. Am I understanding things correctly? Yes, yes. We were going to trade this one in towards a newer one, which was a 2014, a good deal, newer than this one. Okay. So, all right, so I don't have any more specific questions about this truck. I think my questions, Denise, go to what actions specifically are we taking tonight, if any? I don't think we're taking any action other than we wanted to have this information. So we had a good understanding of where we stood with this truck and the need for replacing it. I think we're still, Alfred's probably still looking and will bring his proposal if he finds another truck to the board for approval. And so, yes, that sounds good. Do we want to have Alfred bring us a proposal that would authorize him? Alfred, you asked last, when you, I think it was at the last meeting, you and Toby described the tension around things come available and then waiting to get approval. And I don't know if we've done this before as a board, but have, well, I'll ask Denise and Rose, has the board ever kind of broadly authorized a search to replace with certain parameters, which we don't have in front of us. So that would be another step for Alfred to come back and say, okay, board, what I want is for you to authorize me to look for a truck that meets these criteria, blah, blah, blah. We don't have that now, but my question is, have you ever done that as a board? Not in the four years I've been on, although we did it sort of in the context of the last search, but we kind of got there together after a bunch of misfires. Well, I don't think we can really put a number to it until I find the truck. I mean, I definitely want your blessing to keep looking and that you guys are into the idea, but I don't want you to approve a certain number until I know what truck it is, you know what I mean, or how much it's gonna cost. Great, and I think that's, I mean, we haven't normally bought used trucks. It's always been a new one. So we knew what the number was and we put it into the budget. So this is a little bit of a twist. I would be okay authorizing Alfred to keep searching and come back to us with what he finds with a figure. Rose, do you have that same recollection? Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've authorized the road commissioner and or operations manager to seek out equipment, whether or not it was a used excavator, a used road grader, a used trailer and speck it out and come back to us with the information. And we did that, and didn't we do that with the pickup, Rose? Yeah, I think so. Because the pickup was used, I'm remembering and... Not the one we have now. No, I'm talking about the other one. Oh, way, way, way back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think what I'm hearing from the board and Cliff, you haven't weighed in yet, but you're welcome to, is that to go ahead and look and then come back to us with what you find. Well, I think what was said at last meeting was just that we were asking you to be prepared to jump fairly quickly if I do find one. But you know the information that we're going to be looking for to... And I will provide that as soon as I find the truck. I mean, as soon as I find a truck, I'll have all that information. I'll have the ask advice, I'll have the specs, I'll have what they're going to offer for trade, which I had on this truck and the trade value is probably not going to change a whole lot, I'm guessing. Yeah, I forget what that amount was. What was it? 13? 15,000. 15? And that was on a document from Charlie Boyce. Yeah, I remember that. Explaining the truck that I wanted to buy at that point. Right. And what was the price tag on the truck you wanted to buy? It was 83,000 minus the trade was going to be 68,000 out of the town's pocket. Okay, so that's a number that has some... It's a ballpark number that, you know, a range of where we want to be in. Yep. Okay. Okay, so... I mean, since that truck, I haven't seen nothing. I haven't seen anything that's even close to that. So, you know, I'm really bummed out that we missed that, but timing is everything and... Right. Okay, so are we all clear? Alford is going to continue to look, bring forth to the board, what he finds, he knows what questions we're going to ask. We've got the evaluation on the 2009 that we asked for. Thank you for doing that. Thanks, Alfie. Yeah. Thank you, Alford. You're welcome. Next up is the wood chipper and the check for the refund. I appreciate it. Next up is the wood chipper and the check for the refund. And John's not available to join us tonight, but I know he had asked you some questions about the fuel or I don't know whether you ever got back to him about that. About what? He had asked some questions about, could it have been our error? And that somehow the, I don't know whether it was diesel or gas, but something got mixed up. That was cleared up at a select board meeting. I answered those questions at a select board meeting that it was impossible for that to happen. Okay. That's the same fuel that we use in all of our trucks and all of our trucks run fine. So it came right out of our tank. Okay. I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking, he's not like I said, he's not here, but I know that he had some questions. So maybe they're all answered. Yeah. Well, I, yeah, I answered those specific questions at a select board meeting. I went on in details about that because it's just impossible. Okay. Well, we'll find those minutes. That's what I was going to let, can I add to that Denise? I agree. Let's find the minutes. And if, and if the minutes seem insufficient on this point then, then Katie, I don't know if we can ask you to listen to the discussion again and capture more detailed minutes so that we really do have, cause I know that I love that the meetings are recorded, but as a practical matter, we really need it in the minutes and then we can revise the minutes if necessary. Katie, is that too much to ask you to do? No. Okay. Thank you. Okay. And the other, the other issue Alfred is we are going to be meeting on the 18th as we've scheduled off Mondays for personnel stuff. And we'd like you to join us so we can talk about the process, advertising and filling a position on the road crew actually maybe one temporary and one full time. Are you available on the 18th? Of course. Okay. So we would have you on first thing at seven. So, however, that's a week away. Right. But we need to go through the process of, you know, posting an ad and all those things. So. Well, while we're on that topic, I might have found a possibility for the part-time position. Oh, the temporary. The temporary, correct. A young kid that is very eager to work and lives in town. Has a CDL? He has a permit and an appointment for his test. Good. His appointment is February 3rd, I think it is. And he is ready to start as soon as we are ready to have him start, which means we have to get him drug tested and as far as the CDL license goes, he can drive the little truck for a week or two. Until he passes the CDL. So with all that said, I guess I am wondering if I can move forward with him. I mean, he's already got the, he's already given me his application all filled out, all the paperwork which Sandra provided to me is all filled out. And this is the temporary position. So it's not the full-time. Temporary part-time, whatever you wanna call it, it's not the full-time because I am, it just happened. Yeah, right. On Friday, so I haven't had any time to even think about the full-time and nor have we talked. Right, and that's what we wanna do on Monday the 18th. I mean, personally as one select board member, I don't have a problem with the, you filling the temporary position. Others, Cliff, how do you feel about it? Alfie, what's the timeframe for the drug testing? How long does that process take? I usually have to have Sandra schedule it. So it's usually two or three days they can get it in. And then the applicant has to show up at the town garage and then it's like another 24 to 48 hours to get the results. Okay. So probably four days, four or five days. Is this a precondition of employment or is it you say, okay, we're bringing you on with the caveat that you have to pass this test? Or do we say you have to pass this test first before we bring you on? Yes, he has to pass it. I can't let him operate any equipment until he passes the drug test. Okay. So the normal hiring process would be the next step is we get the drug test and he comes back clean and then we hire him. Correct. Okay. So theoretically, you know, this might bowl over, not be resolved till Monday of next week anyway. The only other question I would have and I don't know if this is appropriate for an executive session or not. You don't have to tell us because I'm not sure on that point, but I would be wanting to understand the rate of pay and the hours we get. Yeah. Can I? That brings us to a fair amount of discussion. Yep. Because that also includes a part timer that we already have. Okay. I think when we talked, didn't we, when we talked about this before, I think we talked about it as the same rate of pay that our current temporary is receiving, didn't we? I couldn't say for sure. I'd have to go back and... Yeah, I'd have to go back and look. But maybe, I mean, if... Well, again, we may want to revisit that because it's not easy to fill these positions and I'm hearing vibes from our now part-time that he wants more. So what I wanna build on Cliff's work, Cliff, I think where you were headed, Alfred, there's time for this to be working contemporaneously. So what the board is asking for is a meeting with you Monday night to be sure that we're all on the same page on next steps. The exact rate of pay can be part of that conversation. I agree with Denise. I don't see, and I think, Cliff, you were here too, I don't see a barrier to us, you moving forward and just letting him know that your final numbers are gonna be and maybe some other things that the select board wants to talk with you about will come through on Monday. But in the meantime, this guy is your pick and you'd like him to go do the drug testing and get started so that maybe even as early as Tuesday morning next week, he can start. Yeah, I would say what I'm hearing is it sounds like go ahead and get him signed up to get his drug test. Doesn't sound like you, between the drug test and waiting for the results, it doesn't sound like it would happen until Monday or Tuesday anyways, because Monday, I don't know if they work on Monday, but Monday is technically a Martin Luther King, Jr. day. And then Monday night, we could talk about the rate if he's willing to do that, knowing that we're gonna talk about the hourly rate on Monday night. Right, yes, I think we can hold off for that and just keep the process going, getting him eligible for the position. But there's one more thing. He needs a truck to drive for the driving test. So I told him there's a possibility that he could use one of our trucks. Do you go with him in that case? Yes, in the past I have, because he needs a licensed driver with him to get to the testing site. Didn't we do that with somebody else? Yes, we did. And honestly, I said I would never do it again, but honestly, I'm a little bit desperate for help. And I kind of believe in this guy a little bit, as far as for part-time, he is not interested in a full-time, he's got his own things going. Particularly in the summer, so he is not interested in a full-time. So we are going out on the limb a little bit here, but he's right here in town, he's willing to learn. And so I feel like I will try it again. Where in town does he live, Alton? He lives on Loose Road. Is it, I mean, I don't know about other select board members, is it an executive session discussion to know who the name of this person? I don't, I would be uncomfortable, you know. We've already said we're sending this person for drug testing. Yeah, well, let's go through the process before we, because we don't know if we're gonna even gonna hire him. Okay, right. So we can wait. Yeah, okay, well, let's talk about it more Monday night. And we'll have you on at seven and I'll send you the info in the meeting. Okay. Okay, did you have anything else for us? Because I think Judy and Sandra are waiting for us to talk about town meeting. Oh, Katie. I'm just wondering to be clear that it sounded like the road commissioner had asked about participating or having willingness to support this candidate in their CDL license. Will there be no action on that? Should I not write the board agreed or disagreed? That'll be decided after the meeting on the 18th. Yeah, let's leave it for confirmation on the 18th. Well, I mean, that's sort of a hinge point for him. If he doesn't have a truck to take to his license. But he has to pass the drug test before even that can get scheduled, right? No, it's scheduled. He's already got it scheduled. Oh, I see. Okay, that's what's happening on February 3rd. The February 3rd is the driving test, which gets him his CDL license. The drug test is totally separate. That's our requirement. That's the town of Calysis requirement for him to be drug screened. Right, but even so, we're meeting on the, we're meeting Monday night next week. So we can talk further about this in executive session because it seems a little uncomfortable. To be doing it, you know, here right now. So can you get him his drug test scheduled and taken and just let him know, you know, that we're going to talk about it Monday night? Yes, I mean, that's really the first thing is the drug screen. If he can't pass the drug screen, then he can't work for us. Well, and he probably can't take the CDL test either. Well, actually, that's not true, but. Not with our truck. Right, not with our truck. That's right. Right, yeah, that's what I was getting at. Okay, do you have anything else quick for us? No, it sounds like maybe we can have a large discussion next Monday night and cover a lot of bases that really need to be covered. Certainly we're going to cover this one that we've raised with you. This one and the filling of the other person, that's pretty much what's going to be on the agenda to talk about. Well, you might want to think about putting some other things on the agenda too. Well, why don't you send me an email with what those might be? Okay, sure will. All right, are we ready to move on? Anything else, Alfred? Thank you. Can't think of anything else unless you want me part of the budget. I think the budget is the highway budget we've mostly approved. We've approved the highway budget. Tonight what we're going to do because we didn't do it exactly right. And then the number changed by $487 for the general government budget. So that's basically it. So you're welcome to stay at the public meeting, but we're really just going to be finalizing all the just going to be finalizing the bottom line budget numbers, which is what you and Toby had given us pretty much. Okay. Can we go back to the chipper just briefly? Yeah, briefly. Because where are we at with that? Well, we got that we got a refund, less $5,000. So the item on the budget tonight, we need to give Sandra permission to deposit the refund check from or is it Virginia equipment? So we're losing $5,000. Right. Plus another thousand because we paid Milton Kat to work on it or to diagnose the problem. So where is that $6,000 loss coming from? It's just it's a loss. So what part of the budget does it come out of is my question because that, that article that was agreed to by the town was supposed to be alone. Right. It is alone. So why should the highway deposit the. Budget. Take that hit. Because it was a highway. Line item loan. Isn't that, isn't it a, isn't it alone, Sandra? Yes. We can take that money and pay down the loan. And it will then. Likely shorten that loan by a year. And the, and the budget amount that was approved. If you find another one. I guess we'd have to figure out. So this is an interesting question. So if we pay off the loan, except for. The $5,000 or whatever it was. Well, didn't we pay though this $1,000 to Milton? Didn't that just get paid out of the line item? It didn't get paid out of the loan. I don't think, did it, Sandra? No. It just got paid out of the highway budget. So really it's. It's a $5,000. Hit. The town approved. I forget the exact amount. What was it? I don't know. 21 for a used chipper. So we would have to talk about. If you find another one. Would we. It seems like the town approved the 21. So maybe we would. So I'm just kind of thinking out loud. Maybe. The loan would still be for 21. It's 25 up to 25. So I guess we'd have to talk about that if you find another one. That's an interesting question. I don't really know the answer. Yeah. Well, I mean, okay. Enough said. Okay. I guess if we're going to buy another one. I probably should be part of it. Okay. Thank you for your comment. Okay. Okay. I guess that's it. All righty. Thank you very much. See you. See you Monday night. Thank you. Thanks, Alfred. All right. Judy Sandra, thank you for joining us. I hope I got everything down that we need to do. So we wanted to. You need us to vote Judy to confirm the informational meeting. That's what we decided to do. I thought you did that last week. Yeah, I thought we did too. So. This was just to me basically confirm. But that's what we decided to do. And Gus is, you. Gus is available. I sent him an email. He didn't respond. Okay. We should circle back and. Just check and see if he's available. Cause I think that's kind of what we talked about doing. Okay. Yeah. So, so. I think it's the warning that we're looking at and making sure that the numbers. The bottom line numbers are correct on the warning on the final, this, this latest draft of the warning. And then. I think Jim has chimed in about some questions we had about articles. Yeah. So Cliff, can you call up the budget so we can look at those bottom line numbers again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was it $487 or something? Sandra. Yes. Okay. Yes. We put a minor point on the, on the solid waste district number and on the county tax number. Both of those numbers came in at the last minute. So. It's going up slightly. Down. Down. Down $487 sharing. Believe it. Yeah. We like that. So everything we're doing tonight is voting on the bottom line number, which is the general government and highway. Amount combined. Without special articles. Right. Well, and that's where, so last week we voted on all three as one lump, which I took from Jim's emails is fine because we're not approving the articles yet. We're just basically. You know, giving a blessing. To the numbers and the articles when we approve. Am I understanding right when we approve the articles is when we approve the whole slate of articles. Isn't that how we do it? We normally. Are we actually approving the article. For the budget tonight. No, we are. The voters approved the special articles. I understand that, but we authorized. To approve. The voters also approved the budget. It's just a question. It's just a question of. It's, you know, Jim was clear that they have to be separate. Articles. But I didn't understand that when we wrote it last week, we were actually approving articles where we were blessing the numbers that we'd come up with is my take on what we did last week. Right. But that included. Special articles. So what we want to vote on is what's there in yellow. The total budget expenses. But, but my point is. We are also at some point going to bless the special articles. And. And. That. I guess. We didn't bless the articles last week. Period. We are going to take a different approach. We are going to take a different approach. We have blessed the global number that included a special articles number and exclude included the town. Budget. So my point is. If we are. If tonight we're going to take a different approach. Because we like to do it that way better. Then. We're still a going to be approving articles at some point that include. An article that improves. Includes special. What do we call it? Special stuff. Special. Special articles. This is all gets done when we approve. Articles. When we approve. It includes the special articles. And so, so that's again, my question now is. Are we approving. The article that is at the town government and highway budget tonight, or are we just blessing. The numbers so that. You know, Judy and Sandra know what to bake into the articles. We need to approve for the warning. The total. Combined of the highway and general fund, which is this 1.7. Then we need to approve the warning amount for the special. That's in the warning. So we're doing both. So we are actually approving. Articles tonight. We are approving the articles that will be in the warning. But we have to. How much we're authorizing to put in the warning. For general government and highway. As part of the warning. We have to approve the general government and highway budget. The general government and highway budget. It includes. That list of all the social services. Agencies and that total amount. So when we approve. The warning. We're improving. Everything. But what we've done. Before and Jim said it makes common sense. Is to approve. The general government and highway budget. So can we do that? Or do we need to talk about it more. The general government and highway. Budget now. We are approving the article and we don't, there's not another time when we approve that. Correct. And then the voters and then the voters decide whether they approve the amounts that we put in. Right. Just like they decide whether they approve the special articles, which we also have to approve as a separate article. So that's what we're going to do. And then we're going to do that. And then we're going to do that. And then we're going to do that. I think it faked into the warning. So last week. I thought we were just blessing the numbers. If we are actually approving an article. Then I think that our motion should state that we are. Approving the article. That is the general government and budgeted. Highway expenses for the warning. So that's what we're going to do. Okay. But are we ready to approve in its article? Three, I believe. Which is the combined general fund. Highway budget. I think it isn't that article three duty. Yeah. I had it printed off somewhere. Yeah. So that combined amount. It's $1. It's $1. $2. $2. $2. $2. $2. $5. $6. To be placed on the warning as article three. And I'll make that as a motion. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Is there further discussion? Okay? Are you ready to vote or is there further discussion on that? All right. Sharon. Rose. Oh, I think I think you're frozen there rose. Oh, okay, there you go. All right, now for let's review the warning and then we'll have to insert the amount for the special articles. Can you call up the warning, please? Yeah, I'm working on it. Okay, the problem. Stand by please. We're standing by. You got a good joke while we're waiting for you? None that could be recorded. No, you cliff usually has one. So the latest version of the warning that I gave you has everything filled in. So Judy, we don't have to do babysitting and snacks and all that, right? No, it's really streamlined. Yep. And I attended that VLCT zoom thing today, which was quite interesting. They're talking about just while we're waiting for Cliff, we're talking about $180 million state budget deficit in FY 22 or maybe it was FY 21, because there's still an FY 21. That's a lot of money. Okay, it looks like the most recent version Judy is dated today. Yeah. Okay, that should be it there. Thank you, Cliff. You're welcome. All right, so can we make it a tad bigger? How's that? That's better. Okay, so let's go through this. I did double check this today just to have another set of eyes with dates and times and all that. And we're looking, we still don't know, Judy, right, whether we're going to be mailing this to all the registered voters or if it's, you know. Well, the warning is different. The warning, once it's approved, I can, it's separate from the ballots, you know, the ballots essentially are another version of the warning with checkboxes. The warning has a different process for being disseminated. I'll post it on, I mean, I can post it on front porch forum, on the web, and in three places in town. And of course we'll be in our town report. Mm-hmm. Oh, right, right. And it's the ballot that gets mailed to every, well, that's what we're waiting for the legislature to vote on, hopefully this week, what the process suggested process or required process is for mailing the ballots, whether each town has its own, you know, protocol about that to decide how to mail ballots or whether it needs to be mailed to all or whether there's some other hybrid of that. Right. And we're waiting for that final from the Secretary of State. Right. And as you said today, there's also the overlay of the school district and that they have a ballot that five towns need to distribute. And if each town has its own version of distributing, how will that be coordinated to all that needs to be worked out very soon? Right. But our goal tonight is to approve this morning. Right. And knowing that this Thursday is the deadline for any public articles to be submitted, I haven't heard of any being, any rumblings of any, so I'm kind of doubting if we're going to get one. Yeah, I had heard something about some kind of school resolution, but I don't see that coming to fruition. Right. So I think this is in good shape. I've gone over it a several times and this is the third version or something. And Sandra and I walked through it this morning. So I think, I think it's good, but you know, there may be something I've missed. And we probably want Jim to, to give it a final look. Yeah, we'll want him to look at this and the ballot. And I'm pretty sure that the town agent is no longer a position. Yeah, they did, they did away with that. Right. So I took that off. Yeah. I think it was last year or the year before, I think, maybe it was last year, was the first year we didn't have to, we didn't do that. Yeah. Okay. So in this preamble, I tried to describe to the voters what the new system is because of COVID as succinctly as possible. Yeah. Okay. And so essentially all floor, all, all votes that would normally be on the floor have been transferred to this as an Australian ballot vote. And that's what you approved. So the moderator will actually end up being on the ballot, but this is article one in the warning. And then each of these positions will be on the ballot with the names of people who've submitted consent forms by January 25th. So far I have, let's see, so far Wilson has submitted one for Lister. And Laura Daley has expressed interest in the cemetery commissioner position. Okay. So article three, this is what we just voted to approve. This is the amount that's in our budget and cemetery commission is just flatlining their budget. So is in Kellogg Hubbard library. Here's the one about the special. The, we used to call it social services without calling it nonprofit organizations. This is the dollar amount of $30,110. So if we approve the warning that in effect is what is in our budget that in that purple line. And that went up by, how many, that went up by like three, well over 3,000, right? The friends were added and one other. Yeah. Now this $500 is out of wine here, but I'm sure we'll do a final formatting. Yeah. The friends were added. There were another one added. And then I think one of these, Barbara told me had gone up, but I don't recall which one. Yeah. I forget which one was went up a little bit. Oh, I know. It was people's health and wellness went up. Yeah. That's the one that went up. Is everybody good with that? Wilson-Arson Haven was added. Oh, right. How much are they? 500. Okay. Anybody have any questions on the nonprofits requesting money in the bottom line? Does anybody have any questions? I do. All right. And the articles on the taxes, that we're not changing anything there, correct? We're doing it the same way we did it this past year. Right. Sandra and I went through it. Do we finally get that one to a point where it works and nobody complains? Well, I don't think you're ever going to get it so nobody complains. It is taxes after all. Well, but it took us two or three rounds to kind of get this, you know, so that the kinks are worked out, but are we there? Sounds like we're there. No, but we didn't want to change anything this year because so much about this town meeting has changed, that we wanted to keep this process the same as it has been. At some point, I would ask the select board to consider taking out the postmark as being the marker for whether or not a payment is on time. Right. Because sometimes you have to wait weeks to make sure you've got all the postmark ones. It's seven days. We absolutely waited seven days this time. We were receiving postmarked envelopes seven days after the due date or seven days after the grace period. Right. So we just need to be thinking about this for next year. I've taken notice that in Article 11, this year we set the penalty the same as what was set at town meeting. Last year's article proposed a 4.5 percent penalty, which you had had for a couple of years at town meeting. It was voted to 3 percent. We kept it at 3 percent. And again, that's something the board can think about. In Article 9, it looks like there's a charge for that typo now. So select board, how do you feel about leaving it the same with the 3 percent? I think that's good. Leaving it the same as what the voters approved when they could discuss it is really good. Yeah. And this is what we did last year. So that makes sense to me as well. Okay. And so Article 12, and that's it. Excuse me. It's pretty straightforward. Yeah, it is. All right. So I assume you'll fix those couple of typo things. Right. And we, because Jim chimed in after I had done this, we'll get rid of the, you know, we know that those articles will not be folded into the general budget. So they'll remain on the warning and on the ballot. So are there any questions for Judy or Sandra about the warning? Thank you, ladies. Good job. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you very much. So I would make a motion that we approve the warning as presented with obviously the fixing of a couple of typos and that we send it to Jim Barlow for review before it goes to the printer. And just with the caveat that the 14th is the deadline so that if we receive a public article that would be reviewed on the 18th. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a second? Second. Are you ready to vote or is there any further questions or discussion? Sharon? Hi. I'm an I'm sorry. I couldn't understand what you said, Rose. Who had a, who had a question? I can't cut it out. And so I just want to make sure Rose, we can't, we can't hear you. Barely. You keep cutting out. Can you hear me now? Yep. Yes. Yes. I know. Yeah. So is this just to approve the warning? The warning and the dollar amounts and all that. Yes. Oh no, she's going again. Are you having the same amount of internet issues, Sharon, over your way? I'm seeming to be okay. Rose is ephemeral tonight. Yes. You had the same problem last week, Rose, I think. Yeah, I am. Okay. I, okay. Thank you. Thank you, Rose. Okay. Done. Thank you so much. That was entertaining. Okay. And record. I'm an I. Geez. And I'm, yeah, I thought you were, yeah, you already voted. I thought, right? No, you were asking me just as we Rose answered your question. All right. So are you good, Katie? Can I hear one more time to caveat about the deadline? I think it was that the deadline for petitions is January. The public petitions is January 14th. Thank you. But the, and the select board to finish Judy's thought the select board will review them at our for approval at our meeting on the 25th. Oh, well, no, we would have to do it on the 18th because they'd have to get to the printers before the 20th. Okay. So we are. Okay. And that's what we were talking about earlier. If anybody's heard a rumbling about anything heads up is good. And I don't think there's been too much rumbles. No. All right. Gosh, guys, we might actually be done by maybe nine o'clock. Oh, I know. I'm sorry. All right. Anything else, Judy, Sandra, our meeting? No, I'll just keep you posted as we get more information about the legislature and how that affects our timeline. Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much. Nice job. Thank you all. Nicely done. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So maybe we can get through the rest of this stuff fairly quickly. We had a request from last name as we lost. They want us to, they sent Judy an email and said that they wish the town office staff would call them if they don't come in on time to pay their taxes because they had the penalty applied because they were late. But anyways, I'll send around, I think Judy sent around the abatement request. So we're going to have to do that. Plus there are those small dollar amounts, anything under a dollar that are in need of abatement as well. So we need to schedule an abatement meeting. We've done it, recently we've done it like at six before our regular meeting. And there's no time, there's no time limit on, you have to have an abatement hearing within so many days of receipt of a request. So we could either look to do it, and I don't think there's enough time to warn it right now, but we could do it on the 25th. And we may need to do a BCA BOA meeting before town meeting. So Judy's thinking about whether or not we need to do that. Denise, what's the name of the, I remember seeing an email and I can't find it again. So just say again the name of the folks and Katie, maybe we don't need to put this in the minutes. It's W-A-S-S. Oh right up on Adamant Road. Yep. Yep. Yep. Okay. So they filled out the form. Would you like to do it on the 25th at like 615? I don't know how long it, I don't know how long it will take. We can only abate based on the criteria that are listed there. So take a look at that before we meet. So Denise, on the 25th at 615, Cliff and I committed ourselves to being in the ECT. Oh that's right. Well, but that might actually be perfect if there's a different zoom room. We won't have a quorum though. Well, that's the question. Does it have to be a quorum of the select board? It has to be a quorum of the BOA. Right. All right. So let's look at maybe doing it on February 1st and that way maybe if there's stuff that Judy needs to have the BCA involved with, we can do them all in one meeting, half an hour for each. Are folks available on the 6th at, on the 1st at 6? I know, Rose, you probably don't know your schedule yet, right? Rose is frozen. You're right. On the 6th. No, on the 1st, February 1st at 6. I can hear again. Oh okay, good. Well, at least Sharon, Cliff and I, I can be available on the 1st at 6. Cliff and Sharon? Yep. Okay. Sharon? I guess so. I like better the idea of divide and conquer on the 25th. Yeah, I don't think that's going to work. The problem with that, Sharon, is our Zoom license won't let us have simultaneous sessions, so we would have to use somebody else's Zoom license for the other meeting for the BOA or something like that. Are you asking if we could use mine? If that's the issue? Well, that's one way we could do it. Some of us might like to participate or at least listen to the meeting on the 25th, okay? Because the Listers are part of the BOA as well as the Select Board, so we might be really not able to have a forum. Rose, can you, you don't have any way to know ahead of time, right? I mean, if we have three of us from the Select Board on the 1st, and Jan is usually the one from the Listers that would be available, and then there's Judy and Sandra, and then some of the VCA members. So that I think would work out the best as far as ensuring that we have a forum for that meeting. Mm-hmm. I can do it. You fill up your calendar with meetings, and then nothing else in life happens. I just want to say we really need to be mindful of the time that we're spending in meetings, and I hear you, Denise, but I think I'm still going to just keep saying where we can find opportunities to divide and conquer, we should be doing it. Yeah, I hear you. All right. And anytime the Zoom is a barrier, then I have my, I'm perfectly willing and happy to share my Zoom account with the town. Okay, thank you so much. All right, I don't know what's going on for sure about the solid waste management issue. I know the AG's office issued an order, and I think the Chittenden Solid Waste Management District, I think they have, forget how much of a client it is, but it's a pretty hefty fine, and like I said, I did look at what was sent around about that, but I didn't digest it because usually John does. So I don't really have anything to say about that. Town Hall, the lights are out, the resets are off, and it's sitting there, and all it's glory waiting to be used. Anything else on Town Hall Cliff? No, we just, I've got to coordinate with everything else that's been going on. I didn't want to throw more on their plate, but I got to coordinate with Judy to get that second phone line turned on. Yes, that would be nice. She's the one on the account, so that's what I figured out, so we'll need her to make the call. And where are we on a friend's agreement? We have, we haven't, if we've done that, we did it at a meeting I wasn't at. We don't have an agreement. The friends went on hiatus for most of the holiday. We will have our first meeting in well over a month this week on the 14th, and that's going to be one of the topics of discussion, but I don't know that we will be in a position to bring a draft to you both for the end of this month. Doesn't sound like, as long as the town, as Denise said, as long as the hall's just sitting there looking pretty, we don't need it, right? No, it would be nice though if we can get it resolved prior to reopening the hall, because there is still the question of who's going to be responsible for doing what parts of maintaining the building. And scheduling. Right. Absolutely. Yep. No, I agree. I agree. But that's one good thing about COVID. Makes a couple of things slightly less pressing. Okay. Do you have any? Do you have any IT updates? No updates per se, but we can put this on the agenda for either the next meeting or the next regular meeting, whatever. I would prefer we put it on an agenda as soon as possible, because I want to talk to the board about investing in some additional conferencing equipment that will come in handy for running this information meeting that we're going to need to do in lieu of the town meeting. Okay. So investing in additional equipment to host the informational meeting? Yes. Okay. Because if we're going to do it, we'll need to get it on order sooner rather than later. All right. Maybe we can do that since it's a priority issue with timing and equipment. Probably everybody else is thinking the same way and stuff is selling out. Yep. So I'll put it on. I'll put it on for the 18th if you think you'll be ready to talk about it. I'll be ready. Okay. Would you like to approve some minutes? Sure. I think that I can't remember now where we left off. Well, let me get there and we'll figure it out. It looks like first up would be the minutes from a joint meeting held on December 7th. Okay. That was with the, was that the fire department or the East Montpelier select board? That's with the East Montpelier select board. Okay. I'm hoping everyone can see that. Let me expand it a little if you'd like. Okay. Yeah. I remember reviewing those. Well, let me, well, the problem if I expand it that much, you can't see the sidebar. There you go. So Sharon had some weird changes. There was some. Rose made some. Looks like everybody here has been through them, right? Right. I just wanted to see what was Rose's comment up above. 15. Oh, okay. Yeah. I remember seeing that. Thank you, Rose. Cliff, did you have a chance to look at them? I did. Okay. Is everybody good with these? With the changes as noted? Yeah. I'm going to go with yes. Yeah. All right. So Cliff made a motion. I'll second it. Sharon, you want to vote? Hi. I'm and I, Cliff's and I, Rose clicked out again, but that's three of us and she made changes anyways. So I think we're good to move on to the next set. Okay. Next set is a meeting of 12, 14 and as well as continued on the 19th of December. Yes. I didn't see as many edits in this batch. Yeah. I know I looked at them. Wait, which one is this? This is 14. It's the one you're in. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I had, I'm, I had a couple of changes, but I'm worried they're not showing up there because I can see them, but I don't. Oh yeah, there they are. There we go. Okay. So is that a question then, Sharon? Yeah. The contract presented indemnifies the town and holds it harmless and allows for flexibility on the part of the town road. Oh yeah. So, so yeah. So I read that. I thought, well, what flexibility does it allow for? And allows for flexibility on the part. If we're going to say that, I would want to say what flexibility we're allowing, right? But we can, this is not a very big deal. So we also should write around it and take that out. Holds the town identifies and holds it, period. Didn't the contract say what the flexibility was? Yeah, I just didn't go back and look. Yeah. But I mean, I think, but it's, I think it's covered. Wouldn't it be covered in that? Yeah. Yeah. So we can just, Katie, end that sentence that holds a harmless period. Um, the contract are, yeah. And then I clarified that, yeah, just that sentence that they're going to communicate directly with Alfred when they want plowing. Yeah. Thank you, Katie. I think that's pretty much it. Would somebody like to make a motion to approve? Oh, no, here we go. Meeting. Yeah. I didn't see any changes significant. Oh, wait, maybe there was. Um, we clarified. Oh, this is where, right, where we said what was going up. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. There's the answer to our question from before. The joy of minutes. Yep. Yep. All right. I would make a motion that we approve the 14th continued to the, what was it, 19th? 19th, yep. Minutes as with changes as noted. Is there a second? Second. All right. You ready to vote? I mean, Rose, are you there? Sharon, are you ready to vote? Yep. Okay. That's an aye. I'm an aye. Cliff? Aye. I'm here now. Oh, okay. There you are. Aye. Okay. Thank you. What a pain in all rows. This is crazy. It is. Oh my gosh. Okay. What's terrible. Terrible. Next batch is the meeting of December 28th. Don't remember if I looked at those or not. Hold that up on screen. I don't, oh, I guess I did go through them. Yep. You have some comments in there. Actually, I think you might have had a question in here, or maybe it's the next set so far. It's an ROW application, wherever that Jenkins one was. Right of way. It's an application. Yep. Okay. Yep. Okay. Yeah, I changed that one. Similarly committed rather than mindful because I heard A, committed is stronger and I heard pretty strong language from them, which is actually good because this is the one we circled back at the next meeting and actually amended it. Yeah, and I sent it to them and they didn't seem to have any problem with it, so. Okay. Okay. The minor changes again, it looks like. Yep. Something a little more dotting eyes, crossing the T's. Yeah, this is the one where I asked Alfred to make sure he gives us the information that in there. Yeah. Yes. And I tightened it up. Yep. Oh, this I did have a question. It was right in front of us the night that we were meeting with Judy and then I could not find the statutory reference for how things get into articles. Does anybody happen to remember what I was the one looking at it, so you may not. At that meeting, if you go into the meeting folder for that meeting, there's a document that Judy provided that we're from the informational meeting she attended. Okay, and I think that's what we were looking at. What are we what's somebody tell me what the question is. So we're citing we're making we decided that the select board will approve all articles as permitted under state law. And it seems which I remember seeing and I don't have any question that that's true. But when we're basing an action on something like that that we actually looked at, we might as well put it in so any interested citizen can do the same thing. Which day are we on the 28th. Yeah, I think it's H 162. Well, if you're looking for the legislation, I think it's H 162 and I'd have to look in the folder. This was I don't think it was a new law. It was the law as it generally already is that we can actually do that. Are you talking about the law that has to do with you don't have to get all the signatures. Well, that's new. That's only because of COVID. Right. But what Sharon's talking about is somebody introduces something frivolous to include. Yeah, that was that was in the regular statutes. That was something that was in regular statutes. If you guys, if you guys will, I mean, I think we can approve the minutes and I can, I'd forgotten I put this in there, but that's a that is something we can just add. It doesn't change the substance of the minutes. It's a statutory reference that actually will be helpful to us and to anybody else looking at them. Okay, yeah, under what I'm talking about with Act 162, the legislature committed the legislative body to adopt the Australian ballot system of voting for this year's local election. The vote board must vote to put articles on the Australian ballot. I think I don't know if you get the requisite number of signatures in a normal world. You get the right number of signatures and file it with the town clerk. I think I think or still has authority to not put it on if they don't want to. Exactly. And so it's it's it's the or that is the operative or that we were looking at that is the one that we said we're going to actually apply this year and it's in the statutes all the time. And I just wanted to find again where it was and it was easy to find that night. And then when I went looking for another time, I couldn't find it. But yeah, it wasn't Act 162 is my memory, although in fact, 162 changed title 10. I don't know. We didn't change. No, no. Only Act 162 was a separate act just for the COVID town meeting issues. Right, which it may or may not go in and change. So that so either I would ask that we wait on these or you guys we approve them with the understanding that that I'm going to connect with Katie and fill in that blank of what what's the what's the statutory foundation for what we decided to do. I would be happy to have you get that information put it in and then we can approve them at the next meeting. Yeah, that would be my preference. Okay. And I don't think I looked at any minutes beyond that those the minutes from the meeting of January 4th. I don't think I looked at those. Yeah, it doesn't look like there's so let's do them the next time. Yeah, I don't see any comments or suggested edits in it. So looks like we need an opportunity to review those. Okay, good. We got some more done though. Thank you. You'll note on the agenda that I put some things that I just don't want to lose track of Kellogg Hubbard their dollar amount through their budget request didn't change. So they're going to come on the 25th just to do their normal check-in that they do every year. Conservation Commission has asked that we appoint Scott Bassage to the Conservation Commission. And then they want to talk to us about the Chapin Forest. We're having a problem with having it with the town forest. They're having problems having a way for people to park to have access to the forest to walk through it. So they want to talk to us about getting a survey done to see if they can come up with a parking area. So that you know that doesn't have to happen immediately but if we have time on the 25th depending on what else we got going on. And I have not heard back from Charlotte Hanna yet about the curb cut. Remember we told them we gave them some directives on what they needed to do and to come back to us when they had met on site. And I haven't heard anything so it's on them to let us know when they're ready. Just so you guys know Ruby's looking at all of you. All right do we have any need to go into executive session to talk about personnel matters? I'm sorry Katie. Quick question we had talked a few meetings ago about the statement in the minutes that always says the board reviewed the invoices and orders were processed for payment and there was a little bit of discussion about deciding how to perhaps state that and vote on how to state that going forward. Would you want me to just leave it as is or is it okay to change the language as we did that just one meeting where it said which people reviewed them? I think it's come down to who has time to do it and that's been me and Cliff and Rose. I don't know that we need to have a decision every time we could just make that the norm but I don't want to not give anybody else the opportunity to review them that wants to and has time to. No I'm fine with that I think we my recollection is that we said that it would say that the board has delegated review and approval to Cliff Rose and Denise and that we would just put that in every time until something changes. Got it and like I said if anybody else wants to review them. So do we have some orders for approval? I was going to tell you Rose I got a present for you New Year's present. Do we have some to approve? Yep I got them ready for you. Oh okay oh okay just let me know. I could come tomorrow. Okay same time. All right I'll come tomorrow after work. Okay same location right. Okay and I don't have to worry about my truck not being there because it's not running right now. Are you still going to have it fixed? No I'm going to have to have it towed in. Oh no. Pretty much ran my uh my level of expertise so I got to turn it over to the professionals. Oh dear. All right are we ready to be done tonight? I do have something to go in to discuss in the executive session. Okay is that a motion Cliff and is it a personnel matter? It is. It is on both counts. Motion and a personnel matter. All right I'll second that. At 8.57. Great thank you Katie. Thanks Katie. Bye Orca. Bye Dave Delcourt. Thank you.