 Welcome to Toffy TV, it's the match preview for Everton's final pre-season game away to Veda Bremmer, nice little reunion with Davy Classon. Classon Davy? I like Davy. I like that. Good lad, are you okay? A few days. Last one, Norric Godderson. Do you not fancy the coach tomorrow? No, I'm alright. It's not that I don't fancy the coach, it's a great coach, I just... No, I meant for the trip. I just can't be bothered about that. My back's only just recovered. It is the last opportunity to see the Blues in pre-season. It feels like it's come round really, really quickly, really does. This beginning in bloody the first week in August, lach, it's grim, innit? You should always be like the 19th of August, so we felt like it... Well, sorry, you're out here, isn't it? I know, but it seems like breaking the middle as well. Last year there was no Euros, there wasn't, it was airy, wasn't it? This is just the weekend you start. Just the way it is. People can't wait, people have time for it to come back. No, it's just mean for the preparation. I suppose what's annoying is you haven't got like the players in from our position. That's shaking, you want them to always play again, don't you? That's the way it is. Everyone, though, isn't it at the end of the day? A lot of clubs are in the same boat, there's a lot of stuff. That's why it feels like, again, it just feels like, even though it is the last game, I don't think a lot of people are sitting here going, whatever happens in this game you've got to take. I think we've all been a little bit guilty of that in the last few years. We've seen this final game, pre-season game and thinking whatever happens in that game is that's where we are. I think whatever happens we're going to start the season pretty much like we did at the end of the last season, but obviously no humour at the back and no going again in the middle. Which is bad, but it's not good. We know that's not good. We know we definitely have weaknesses there at the moment. So that's why in this game, again, for me I just want to see the levels go up again. Obviously the Charleston has had a full week so he can take part in some part in this game, which is good because he's been a bit... No, it is. He's a big part of the team, I suppose. You just, as I said, you just want to see those rough edges get smoothed down just a little bit more, players look a little bit... Create chance. Yeah, players look a little bit more on it. Players like Guilfee Sigarton looking a bit more... Interested. ...in game modes. Yeah, in a game mode. You know what I mean? I know the Icelandic stats edition is going to be for you. Guilfee's a good player, but you've got to get it. And you like him. I love him. But we need him to get in the game. That basically just means you don't like him because you just... I like him. Do you like Guilfee Sigarton? I just think it's a weird thing. I just think at times... No, you just said that happens in the Premier League as well. Games where just passion back. Yeah, and I think that's what... No, this is their final game before the season starts. I think so. German League, I don't know. It's like the start in October and finishes in March. No, it's that. They've been playing for a month. Yeah, so they'll be up for this. I think what we want to see is just a bit more. Last week was a disappointing weekend with the two games, just in terms of the results and stuff. Yeah, I thought I should be... I don't think you can take anything out of the mind game. No. I don't think you can take anything out of both. No, but I thought in the Seville game, I thought we were all right. I thought we start to put David the better side in the opening so anyone can get the ball off them, really. But then once we got into it, I thought it was okay. But we just looked, and this is, I suppose, where a lot of people's worry comes from. Defensively, I think we were okay. Well, hopefully Michael Keane, but should be available to me. So that's the data where you feel a little bit more secure at the back. I mean, I've had said that 12 months ago. I did say it. I would have slapped myself in the face. I did say it as well. I think in the final third, him and me at the back together, that's a partnership we need to see growth in the meantime, because that could be the partnership for the season. And it is that final third. Dominic Arventlwn, now with a couple of weeks of training under his belt, needs to be a little bit sharper with Charleston, Bernard. He's another one who's disappointed in pre-season. It's been just a little bit... not quite... Trying a lot of things that just haven't come off at times, but that's fine at what pre-seasons for it. It is legs, isn't it, I suppose. Dale Argyw, I suppose, on the manager and the coaching staff will say, well, it doesn't really matter. This is the time to get all that out of your system, because we're doing double sessions. We're trying to build everyone's level up. You write it. This is a 90-minute game. It's different from last week. Are we going to see the sharpness? I mean, last weekend we've seen Seamus Coleman and Luca Deane basically play 90 minutes, didn't we? We played the first game and then half of the second game. So that was good, because I think it's key that those two really are fit, because they carry a lot of our attack and threat, don't they? I think in this as well, you're obviously going to see less, if any, of the under-23s players. Obviously Gibson, probably maybe one of the only ones. You're going to see more of a first team playing 60, 70 minutes. And then obviously you've got the likes of Tom Davis who can come on. And you probably, again, see the less of the Snidlans and the McCarty's and the Kevin Moraleses who... They'll all be shut up, won't they? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you're going to see players put through the paces with only a week to the... Do you hang out with them, Mike? Seeing the little thing that he might be involved this week? Well, that would be good for the week before the season, if he can... Some minutes. Get some minutes. Even if it's 20 minutes, just get them back into the... because I know we played for Techie in June, but he's had that injury. You need them up and running. But I think you're right. I think last weekend obviously we've seen a team after 23s, of course, we did, but I think this weekend, when you're looking at last week, I think probably only Gibson. Because I know Nathan Broad, that's been involved all the way through. I don't think... I don't know whether he'll be in... Well, I think he's only been involved all the way through is because last pre-season, it's players playing in certain positions. So he's played as a back-up to Theo Wolcott, who is essentially the back-up to Richard Ellison. Now Richard Ellison's back, it'll be probably Theo Wolcott starting the game, and Richard Ellison replacing him. What do you think? What do you think that he'll start and replace? It depends on... I mean, I don't know what his levels are. Do you? So it depends what the manager feels. I think he's only had, I think it was three and a half weeks since the Copa America final, and he's battering. Yeah, but I think what I would say is, it's not about how fit someone is, it's how much rest they get, isn't it? Rest is such a... I think he's only going to play half a game, regardless. Rest is such an important part now of pre-season. Pre-season plays a go away and eat and drink and come back a stone of weight, and then the actual pre-season would be trying to get the weight off them and getting them fit. But I think now, if anything, it's about that rest, isn't it? It's about the recovery. And, you know, he's... he didn't play loads in the tournament, but he would have been training most days apart from when he was in the isolation chamber. Yeah. But what I would say is, for me, he's got a place from... Yeah, of course. I mean, Colman needs to strike up just getting used to playing with each other again, because, you know, let's be honest with thousands, probably going to start a palace I would imagine. So, you know, playing in the game will help them get that relationship. And I suppose Delph in the midfield as well, you know, building on that relationship with... Gomez. With Gomez. Do you think, obviously, you know, we could have Jean-Philippe Gabarman in by the weekend, but do you think there's no chance of him starting? I don't know because he's not an effortless player, so I'm honestly not going to say... No, I just went... If Everton got him in, no. No, I don't think... I don't think anyone who... If anyone signs in the next week, whoever they are, I don't think they'll be starting in this game, because I just... And I think that's correct unless they're... for whatever reason. I think the way it is now, I think the first few games in the Premier League, you're going to see the team you had last season. And that's going to be the same for both clubs. Well, he's an established Premier League player, so that's fine. And then those players will be allowed because we've been guilty. And a lot of clubs are guilty of it is introducing a player into the fold who is not up to the pace and then you're willing those players on. Confidence starts to sap. The other thing is a lot of these players, you throw them into the Premier League first day, it's warm, it's physical, it's 100 miles an hour. And these players are just... They're going to pick up injuries as well, especially if they haven't had much training with the club as well. So I think it's better to just start with a bit more establishments next week and then get into it. So, I mean, you know, just on the garner thing, we've said we love them and he'll be a big miss. There's no question about that. Are you confident Fabian Delf can do that role in the short term? No, I'm not confident he can do the role. I don't think anyone can do the role. We don't have anyone at the club who can do the role. The question is, how much do we need someone to do the role in the first few games? All right, let me rephrase it then. Forget garner. Are you confident in Gomez and Delf for the first couple of games that they've got enough quality about them to be able to help the way we play? I think it might mean that they're going to play slightly differently. Yeah, they're going to ask a couple more players to play a little bit more reserved. I don't think you can necessarily say to Bernard, even though he's not somebody who does it, over at Charleston, right, you can sit high and just stay high. You've got to drop in a little bit more just so there's a little bit more protection because I think that's what garner gives. I mean, you were at Palace at the end of the season and hadn't totally dominated that game, didn't he? Yeah. They won't have won the sacker. He was excellent for them that day. So they're slightly weaker. They may or may not. I mean, we could have Wilson. Who knows, I doubt it. But they may or may not have Wilson to have that day. So they could be a little bit weaker as well. So both teams are probably going to be not as strong as they were on that day. And yet, Everton had enough chances that they keep it. But there's enough in this evidence side to go there confident without the influx of a lot of players, isn't it? At the end of the day, we do all get caught up with the first game of the season and stuff, and that's the deal. No, but it's not that. I don't mean that. It's that idea of this game, looking at this game and going where are we in this game and then reflecting that on the first game of the season and then reflecting the first game of the season like it's the entire season. And that's where we all get caught up in it. I mean, I think this season I don't feel like I've been caught up in pre-season at all. I've just let it wherever. At times I've been disappointed and the creativity is a worry. But it's not better to have an in pre-season while you can make it do some of that. I think the thing certainly from the games we've watched together as well is that we've both sort of said it's not our team. No, we haven't got our front three. You don't know what I mean. It hasn't been like our perceived best 11 and we've had these problems. I think Liverpool have suffered with the same little thing. They had them back yesterday and they won again, didn't they? And it's like, oh, yet they're a different team. Your best players make a massive difference. I think that's why and I think a lot of people, most people have kind of gone it's not really our proper team because a lot of the three's have been involved. It's almost allowed. And we also and this is not a new thing. This has been going on for years and it's almost spread into the cup competitions. We have this horrible knack of just not, it's not just it's honestly ever for years this horrible knack of just not getting up for games and as I say that does feel as filtered into the cup games where you go to next week, which is a Premier League game and suddenly everyone will be on it. But the biggest example of that was Valencia last year. I mean, we walked out of that game last year as a lot of people did going look all over the place here at this, are we going to keep clean? We're going to have to score three goals. Do you think, because this is something that's crossed my mind and no I know you think this was a good pre-season. In reflection I don't think it has been in terms of not the quality of the teams more just like the way we've played them so Monaco was a good team but the setting of it was just like so so laid back that it just meant that there was a laid back game last week playing Seville, but it was only a 60 minute game in a little tournament. I just feel like at times and again this is I've said this loads of times just if you're not, if there's no reason to get up for games pre-season or not players like Sigarton just do walk around the pitch or whoever, they don't that competitive nature where there's other teams in the top six playing these big commercial tournaments where there seems to be something on them and I know there's not because it's pre-season but that just seems to get them going a little bit more I don't know it, I'm just I know the teams we've played have been good just don't Monaco, when we went to see that Monaco game it was the most laid back game I've ever seen it was like a game in the park wasn't it? No, it was for you, you'd had about 14 standards No, it was great because it was the end of a big week so they had they played in a nice Liverpool they've gone out and played in Switzerland against Leon and so it wasn't in the park though No it wasn't, it was in the yeah but that's the way, I mean I remember a few years ago we played thingy 20, 20 Fc 20, we won 3-0 I'm quite sure I'm quite sure if you shot down with the man and see how it went then teams, you know, do you wish it there you go, the results are available what I would say is though the best season we've had ever in the premiering points totals was the season we went to America and we played and now I'm just saying we played it doesn't matter, I'm not I'm not asked about losing the games what I mean is that we played good sides in tough conditions in front of big crowds and they felt like there was something on them but did it really matter but what I'm just great for us I'm not asked about the games the results are not what I'm talking about is did that push, did that stout go on within the players that pushed us into that season because the pre-season there was a little bit more that's what I'm asking I don't know because at the end of the day it's about players isn't it only the players now and that's when we walked out of Goodersons 12 months ago after Valentin just beat us 3-2 and we were like that was a bit of a shit with the back we were all over the plate and yet a week later we went to a new league we were excellent and had a great season and we were really really good I understand that that's one game versus another I get that and that's just weeks apart what I mean is just for the longevity of the season and actually you stock you store I guess we won't be able to answer that I always think back to that one was that just a coincidence and then the one you all talked about with Cooman was that absolutely horrendous the teams we played were shite the games were shite and we ended up being shite because we never used the players properly we never got to see the players properly we never played enough games and then we went into the Europa League and we never handled any of it well because we didn't have a clue how to handle it so I always go back to that Martin is that a coincidence was that just the Devon just come together but did the pre-season play its part we were at Wigan last week and there was a decent crowd there and they were leaving the foot in and leaving elbows in and everything and it was like a cut tight but I came off that game thinking we shouldn't be playing these kind of teams because we've lost the player through injury and we kicked us off tried to kick us off the park in a friendly now you said at the time maybe they liked that club because it means that the players are offering but I don't know I think we will go far more out of Monaco Seville than we will out of Wigan but we won't know until the season this should be it's in the stadium for a start it's against a good game and shite this should be a good game we'll have three or four players in our team that aren't going to be in this team so it won't give me a picture of how it's going to play out but what I would say is this is a big game for Dominic Halver-Lewin potentially we've got a new striker coming in for big money who will be in our team don's got to put a mark on that I don't have any worries about Don in terms of how he tries to get himself in the right place I'm just saying I have no problems that he will rise to it whether it happens or not is a completely different thing because you can't talent is talent if he doesn't cross over at some point then it doesn't make a difference but this team on strategy if he goes with and I think that Jarlasom will start I think he'll go with Seamus Leucadine the two centre backs keen and meaner Delth, Gomez, Guilffy, Bernard Rythialasom and Dominic Halver-Lewin it wouldn't surprise me if a week later at Celle's Park that's the starting line up and I want to see that front three look get and now Rythialasom is going to be a flip of a coin like you say the week's training whatever but we want to see him getting involved I want to see Guilffy on the ball more I want to see Bernard a little bit sharper I want to see our full backs overlapping because then I'll look and go you know what we look like we're at the level now I think just finally you want to win you want to score some goals and you want a little bit of positivity going into this season that's it really, that's all you want you don't want he came out after the game last week and he looked disappointed the manager he looked disappointed of what he'd seen silly goals conceded and come out and said you know we need four or five players it's as simple as that now he'll know in himself how far down the line Satan deals are at this point you know whether this one, two, three or four or whatever's in the often but for us you want just that little bit of positivity thinking right we want to start the season on the right foot we want to get some points on the board and then if you add to that the players that hopefully will come in it all should come together last year we were very disappointed after the Valencia game and then the week kind of picked everyone up the new shine and buoyed everyone I think we were all pleasantly surprised at the way we played at Wolves I was disappointed after the Wolves game even with Tenne thinking we blew three points today because we should have killed them off we didn't then without a shadow but the new players buoyed everyone we went to Southampton Cay we were ready we had new players and I suppose this game could be similar because regardless of the result on how we play the new players coming in are going to pick everyone up again but you're right we want to see a little bit more we want to see some goals and if we can get a positive result and play with a nice fluidity I think everyone then will 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