 I would say, in my life, it's a question of discernment and it's also, it's your life's work. I mean, for all of us, that's our, we're just saying our life's work to discern between those two voices. One is a death wish, the other one wants us to remember who we truly are, be healed and whole. And because of the ego, it seems like the voice of the spirit is pushed out, ground up. The ego speaks first, the ego speaks loudest, that's why we need a lot of discipline and a lot of mind training and a lot of discernment. The simplest, most direct way to discern between the two voices is what Jesus calls the one right use of judgment. We used to think that judgment is an entirely negative thing. He says there is one right use of judgment. And the one right use of judgment is the question, how do I feel? So that's a good start. How do I feel? A lot of us were trained not to pay attention to our feelings. It became so intellectual, so cognitive, so into rational kind of thinking of everything that we were divorced from our feelings. And that was, that's the kind of family, biological family that I projected out. No one in that family ever in all those years asked me how I was feeling. I was always told what to do, what not to do, what was right, what was wrong. What to eat, what to eat more of, what to eat less of, what the bad things were, what the good things were. And when I get home from school, I walk in the door, you know, I'm dragging the door some days. That question, how do you feel, was never asked. I think it was more like that John Bradshaw joke about, great but there's a feeling loose in the living room. You know, it was so devoid of feelings that just nobody talked about feelings. You could talk about the weather for 10 minutes, half an hour if you wanted. You could talk about sports scores. There were all these things that you were allowed to talk about, but feelings was not one of them. And so for me, just to begin to get in touch with the feelings, like how am I really feeling about this? Is a good inroads toward that discernment and that intuition. Now how do you say that? I will say that the ego is sneaky, sneaky, sneaky. It is ingenious. And what it does is it generates an entire range and set of emotions and sensations that feel good. That are all part of its system. So when you're asked the basic question, how does it feel? Well, it's going to come in there with its best feel good, feel good, you might say, disguise of how you authentically feel, much, much deeper. Because the mind is very deep. And then the subconscious mind, as we walk away the least, it generates a lot of emotions that are like pseudo good, but aren't really good. For example, pleasure and pain. In this world, it seems pretty easy to tell the difference between pleasure and pain. And in the course of miracles, Jesus says, it's impossible to seek for pleasure without finding pain. Oh, now we're starting to unveil some of the ego's tricks. And Jesus also says that the ego does not want you ever to let that into awareness. Because as soon as you get that into awareness, you're going to start opening the miracles and not fall into these tricks of seeking and not finding. If you knew that every time you seek for pleasure, you're actually seeking for pain in a disguised way, you would stop it. If you went, every time you went to the cooking jar, you got an electric voltage. Or think how I would change sexuality. Every time you were kind of working it up towards an orgasm and you got a big zap, a voltage, or a sharp stab of pain, a little bit of a migraine stab every time. Well, I would start using those studies with rats when they start to go for the cheese and they start to get a jolt every time. It takes us a while. The Holy Spirit doesn't use those kind of tactics, but it takes us a while to start to raise these deep truths and healing principles in our mind to the point where we can voluntarily say, ah, the miracle offers me everything that I want. Pleasure is fleeting. We all know that. It's temporary. It should tip us off our way because it's still fleeting in temporary nature. And pain is fleeting in temporary as well, although at times it can still be very chronic. So for me, that's part of this gradual, gradual work of discernment over the years where, you know, if I see something that I desire is going to bring me pleasure, the Holy Spirit is like saying, here, I need your attention over here. Remember, you're a miracle worker and we've got some important miracles to do over here. And nothing is ripped away. I can't say that this has been a journey of sacrifice. I don't feel like, ah, I follow the Spirit and now it's just blah. Totally neutral. Nothing. I feel nothing. You know, I feel the joy and exuberance of the Spirit from all this following miracle. But also, there's been lots of, I call them like, whims, lots of beautiful little things that came in along the way which were just kind of like little signs and symbols like, thank you for following me. Thank you for devoting your mind to discernment. And it definitely has not had the deprivation to me. I don't feel like I can say, wow. If all of the Spirit found happiness and joy and peace and freedom, but it had a tremendous cost, I can't say that. You know some people do say, well, it cost me, it cost me this and this and this. I can't sit before you and say that I feel like it's cost me anything. It's been like a free gift. It was the ignorance of believing in the ego that was filled with costs. That was costing everything. It was costing me the awareness of everything. So it's a great question and it's one of those that it takes a lot of deep introspection and deep inner work to really start to come to that clarity. Is there a way to ask in the moment, what is true and what is original? Yeah, I mean, when I first started off, I think consciously on the spiritual journey, it was like around, probably around 1984 when I really kind of got into it. And I would often ask, sometimes it was just a prayer in my heart, but often times it was asking. And the first way that the Spirit reached me was when I would see a movie or read a book or read a rhyme, hear a song or something. It felt like somebody had a little feather that was tickling inside my heart chamber. It was a very kind of experiential, hard experience to start with for me. I would just read a certain line and the tickle would go. Or I would hear something on a movie or on the radio or something and the tickle would go. So then I started to follow the tickle. I've lived in 10 years of university and I knew that this tickle was not intellectual. It's a sure. So I followed the tickle and then the tickle would then surely lead me to the Course.