 Well, good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining the session. It takes a village, the Linux Foundation Projects, focused on blockchain and digital identity. I'm very excited to share some of the work that our community has been doing. My name is Daniela Barbosa. I am the general manager at the Linux Foundation for blockchain and identity projects. I also have the honor to serve as the executive director of the Hyperledger Foundation. I've been with the Linux Foundation for five years. It's going on five years, working with Hyperledger from the start. My background is in library and information science. I have a master's in information science and have really been fascinated all my life with data, with access to data, internet data, the trust paradigm of data. And obviously, if you think about libraries and the features that they provide society, really being able to access information within a trust framework. Today, increasingly, more and more, the focus in our digital world is about objects, identity, and money, and taking those objects from place to place to place, whether it's physical or in the metaverse or in other environments, more and more it is about the objects and what objects we own based on what our identity is and obviously the value or the money of those objects. Our economy depends on confidently providing things about ourselves, so informations that we provide about ourselves. For example, you show someone your business registration documents or your credentials in order to open a business bank account. The majority of the world is still doing legal paperwork in paper. In this example, if you have a business, you just started a business and you want to open a business bank account, you have to prove that you are a business, that you've incorporated into a business. Then you go to the bank and you do it and you show them that certificate. Then perhaps you have to go to the health office to get a health certificate because you're opening up a restaurant and you have to take that same certificate that's been verified by the government, by the issuing government and you say, now I need to go get this health certificate. Then I take that same certificate over and I go over to maybe the liquor license department and I said, now I need to have a liquor license and I have the certificate on it. So the certificate is confidently saying, this is who you are and you have a business and you have to go and get other verifications based on that. Today, like I said, most of this is done in paper. We see increasingly people digitizing these processes. For example, in the government of British Columbia, three years ago they launched a project called Org Book where they've already brought in millions of business entities into the Org Book and that is a place for that whole flow that I just talked about. You incorporate in your business, you have to go to the bank, you have to go to the healthcare, you have to go to liquor license. All those things are now done online through the government of British Columbia using hyperledger projects that I'll talk about a little bit. So from a digital perspective, maybe you have some NFTs, you have some cool NFTs, maybe you're one of the lucky ones with one of those board apes or something and this could be a digital art object and you wanna take that digital object from place to place to place and you might even be given special experiences for that NFT. I might show up at a concert and because I have an NFT that I purchased or I won in some way, maybe I have a different experience as in the person, in person concert as well or maybe I am allowed to become part of a telegram group that is participating as part of that NFT, that non-functional token that gives me the rights but it also tells me about what it is about myself. You can think about also digital key credentials to start and drive your car. Anybody here in the audience have a car that has an electronic key on a mobile pass? There are many cars now that do offer that and you will eventually need to verify who you are that you are a driver of that car and be able to drive that car so you can go from place to place to place. So whether it's in the physical, in the digital world, these technologies are really important. Then as a consumer, you also want to know, for example, the titanium that's used in that electrical vehicle that you have that mobile wallet for, you want to be sure that it's mined without slave labor and is sustainable. So titanium is one of the minerals that is used for EV cars, batteries and there is a lot of slave labor and a lot of issues with it from a sustainability perspective. There are companies, and I'll talk about this a little bit, that are helping facilitate that for the consumer to know where it came and then the car manufacturer to also know specific to car regulation, for example, in Europe with the European car battery regulation, companies now need to disclose that they've gone their minerals from a sustainable source. So for all these interactions, so people going from place to place or digital, your digital identity going from place to place for trust applications and services, I really believe and we really believe, obviously, that open source development is essential to do that. At the Linux Foundation, you're here at Linux Foundation Open Source Summit. Many of these projects are representative here and we do touch a lot of pieces of the individual consumer's life. Jim today talked about the Academy Award software, Academy software project. There's Linux Foundation Artificial Intelligence, there's Automotive Grade Linux. So here we have the open source, most critical projects in the world. And it's no different for blockchain and digital identity. The projects that sit under the Linux Foundation, and I'll tell you about these in a bit, are really focused on building that open source trust, open source code and communities for companies, individuals and government agencies to build their solutions on top, specific to blockchain and digital identity. We are also a very diverse ecosystem of enterprise technology use cases and I'll talk about them today, but we really, when you think about blockchain and digital identity and the principles behind digital identity, things like verifiable credentials and self sovereign ID, it really goes across different industries. So it applies in the education for universities, for digital identity, for energy, for insurance, supply chain, capital markets, and even more and more so when you think about the metaverse and the new experiences that are being developed, it really is a place where these types of technologies need to be developed in the open for open communities. So for digital trust, I like to call it as a digital trust umbrella at the Linux Foundation. There's a couple of projects that I like to highlight. One is the Hyperledger Foundation and since 2016 Hyperledger has been focused on bringing open source blockchain and blockchain related projects into the Linux Foundation as part of the Hyperledger Foundation umbrella. We currently have these identity specific projects, open source projects, Indy, Aries, Ursa, which is a cryptographic and I'll talk a little bit about these and Hyperledger non creds, which is our newest project but we also have over 11 special interest groups and working groups that people come together to talk about these requirements. Diff is one of the JDF and Joint Development Fund projects at the Linux Foundation. It stands for the Decentralized Identity Foundation and since 2017 they've been writing technical specifications and reference implementations and coordinating with the industry around decentralized identity technologies and implementations. They're doing some really great work. They have 10 active working groups now and they're publishing a lot of the work and technical specs that they're doing. Another organization at the Linux Foundation that is working on the governance aspect of digital identity started in 2020 which is called the Trust Over IP Foundation. They have a Trust Over IP model that if you have not read through it, highly recommend taking a look at it and they just also published last month the Trust Over IP Technology Architecture V1 spec so they're really making a lot of movements forward to creating the governance of digital identity. And last but not least in 2023, Jim mentioned it earlier in the keynote, we will be launching the Open Wallet Foundation so I'll talk a bit about that as well today. So let's focus first on the Hyperledger Foundation. So since 2016, we've been creating a blockchain and blockchain related open source projects and communities. To be very clear, we're blockchain software, we're not a blockchain. There's not a public blockchain that sits under the Linux Foundation. We are an open source project. There's code projects that sit and currently we have 16 different projects that I'll talk a bit about. There are blockchains obviously that are run through separate entities even at the Linux Foundation. There is a project called OpenIDL which is an insurance regulatory data network that is a blockchain network. Just like all Linux Foundation projects, we are a global team of developers, companies, governments and individuals are participating. And we always strive to be as transparent as possible. There is no cave to play. And this is why I think specifically with blockchain digital identity, open source is just so critical to what we do. So let's talk a little bit about decentralization and how we define decentralization. It's a degree to which a single entity or a group of entities control something. So this can be measured in a variety of ways. The largest portion of control by the single entity, one person or one organization controls everything. Or the number of entities it takes to completely control a system. How do you over 51% and then you can control the system as well. And there's other complicated metrics that the math spokes are more that can talk to you about. But we talk about absolute dictatorship when it's totally centralized. Once again, that use case only just one person or one entity, moderately decentralized and totally decentralized networks that we see. So what is a distributed ledger? And what is the difference between a blockchain and a distributed ledger? The way that we see it is a blockchain is an append only system of record or transaction log. And a distributed ledger is a distributed database with decentralized trust. Now most popular blockchains today are distributed ledgers and most popular distributed ledgers are blockchains. Why are some of the popular blockchain systems? Obviously Bitcoin is a distributed base for money. So peer-to-peer money transactions which is fully decentralized. And Ethereum is a distributed database for programs for fully decentralized trust. And then projects for example like Hyperledger Fabric that sits under the Hyperledger Foundation are distributed a space for programs with partially decentralized trust. So in a database or blockchain can be thought of as a store of records basically. But who gets to decide what records belong in that database? Who is making that decision? If one person or one entity decides what's being written into that blockchain then it is a centralized system. But if many entities have the deciding points then it becomes a decentralized entity. And there is no yes or no, there's a continuum of how you address the centralization from a fully decentralized and fully centralized view. So up on the top you see a fully decentralized view as I mentioned before things like Bitcoin and Cardano and Ethereum and Avalanche. They're public cryptocurrencies with proof of work or proof of stake consensus. We have distributed ledgers with BFT, Byzantine fault tolerance consensus, things like Hyperledger Fabric, Iroha and Sawtooth and distributed ledgers with crash fault tolerant consensus like Fabric and Corda. And then there's traditional databases and there's many, many reasons why you should use a blockchain and there's many, many reasons why you should not use a blockchain as well. Databases for example are very efficient. They have a very, from a performance perspective, they're much more efficient than a blockchain. But you make a decision based on do you want a decentralized, how decentralized or how fully centralized system you want. So a brief history of Hyperledger because I think it's important to understand these projects and the evolution of these open source projects within the Hyperledger Foundation. So we started in 2015, the project was launched and in 2016 we added four new projects as the first year. The first one was Hyperledger Fabric and this was a contribution by IBM and digital assets. And then we had Sawtooth and Iroha, both of them are distributed ledger frameworks as well and Explorer is a blockchain explorer tool. So this was in 2016 the first projects that we have. Today, we have 16 different projects but Hyperledger Fabric continues to be the most adopted in the enterprise distributed ledger permissioned blockchain space. Today this report just came out in October by BlockData. A hundred companies were surveyed as to what distributed ledger technologies they use in their systems and 38% of them are using Hyperledger Fabric and you can see here some very large brands with different use cases around supply chain, around trade finance and other types of use cases. So Hyperledger Fabric just a couple of highlights from 2022. It is the only project that we have at the Hyperledger Foundation that has long-term support. They're already with the latest version of 2.2 as well. A couple of use cases, one is with Alliance and their insurance company based out of Europe. They do global insurance and they built an insurance claim system using Hyperledger Fabric across 20 different European subsidiaries. So each subsidiary basically is running their notes around establishing a single source of record for the claim. So if you are a Swiss national and you go to France and you have a car accident, they can very easily consolidate the claim that you put into the agency as well. And they are using smart contracts to determine how the costs are split between the different organizations when they do have to pay back. So increased access to the funds that the companies need as well. And obviously the consumer is going to have their claim fulfilled earlier. I talked a bit when there was the picture of the mine, a bit about sustainability and the opportunity for blockchain and blockchain networks to really address things like supply chain providence. This company is circular, they're based in Europe and they've created basically a blockchain network that is mining, that is taking the mine tantanium from the mines all the way into the car. And if you know anything about, and I think some people in the room probably know about car manufacturing, the original thing that is pulled out of the mine looks very, very different than the thing that goes into the car as well. So a circular is using blockchain to track the whole providence of that material even as it changes shape and as it becomes part of other things as well. This is really important because it is part of the compliance requirements that you have. And I did upload these slides into the sketch and most of the slides have links to different videos and webinars that you can take a look at. Another one, with one of our Japanese members, Fujitsu, they just came out with this use case working with the Botanical Water Technologies Company and their goal is to deliver water to the world and they're doing recovering water, wasted water that is being used to make juice or ketchup or sugars in the food production and they're re-converting that, reusing that bottle and selling it out. So they used blockchain, they used hyperledger fabric to create a secure trading platform of the sustainable water. So it is always, it's visible as to where the sales and the refinements and the delivery of the water is going but it really helps people understand and trust where the sources are coming from as well. And there's some great videos on their website as well. In 2017, then we moved along. We had cello and indie and burrow quilt was one of our first forays into interoperability. Hyperledger Indie is a framework for digital identities that are rooted in blockchains and it can be used with other blockchains or as a standalone framework as well. And there's many use cases already in production using hyperledger Indie to do digital identity, things like ID Union in Europe, as well as projects out of Canada like the Energy and Minds Digital Trust implemented. And what they're doing is they're using verifiable credentials in a lot of these processes as we talked about before. The government of British Columbia, we actually have there's code in GitHub that was created by the government of British Columbia to create a digital wallet and you can go and download the wallet in some testing phase right now. And it uses hyperledger Indie and Aries as well and it allows you to present the digital credentials that I was talking about before that you have licenses or memberships or different permits, but it is I can only show those credentials to the people that I say is okay, right? So you're not creating something that everybody can see all the credentials that you have but it's confidential connections. If I need to, I'm applying for a job for example and I need to tell my job here, I need to tell my education credentialing for example, I allow that education credential to be displayed to the employer that I might have. So as we build out, we started working on identity projects in 2017, in 2018, we actually took URSA out of Indie, it's a cryptographic library because it can be applied and used across other different DLTs and we started seeing growth areas specifically around payments and trade finance. So a couple of use cases very quickly, once again there's links on our website and in the deck that you can follow through. The Global Shipping Business Network, we just published a case study on this, is based out of Hong Kong and China and they are basically doing, shipping between 300 different organizations and they're tracking the bill of lading throughout the entire system as well. Trade Lens and I'll put this up here because it is just got announced that it's shutting down for five years that we're working on the Trade Lens platform with MERSC, it was a MERSC IBM project and they have shut it down and I truly believe that there need to be some big losses or some big things that don't go well for us to continue to do these projects even better as well. And outside of trade finance, the central bank digital currencies, a project Cambodia Vakon was the first retail CBDC using Hyperledger Eroha and we see Hyperledger fabric and Bezu being adopted across the world. According to the Atlantic Council, 105 countries today, so it's over 95% of the global GDP are exploring CBDCs and as you can see here, many of them are choosing to do either pilots or experiments or even in production with Hyperledger projects as well. We did publish a central bank digital currency e-book recently and there you can learn about a couple of things. One is why do the central banks care that the code needs to be open sourced? And we do a lot of advising and working with the central banks with BIS, with MAS, to talk about them, about the principles of open source and why they should really take those considerations. So you can download this e-book, it's in both Japanese and English, it's on our website or you can go to the deck. So as we continue to mature, in 2019, we saw projects like grid, which is a supply chain domain specific project, Aries, which was another component that came out of Indy that is addressing in the digital identity and Bezu. In 2019, we had Hyperledger Bezu, which was a contribution by consensus into Hyperledger. So the key is that not one blockchain fits at all. And what I mean by that is that you can have, in maybe in 2016, a lot of people would argue with the fact that you needed a public blockchain or there's the Bitcoin Maximus, they'll say, you cannot have a permissioned blockchain. A blockchain cannot be permissioned. But the reality is enterprise uses and just global uses as a whole really needs the ability to choose, pick and choose which pieces are really relevant to what they can do as well. So just very quickly, a history of Ethereum and Hyperledger, since 2019, as I mentioned, we've had the Hyperledger Bezu project in the Hyperledger Foundation. And we also recently got awarded the Ethereum Foundation Client Incentive Program because for those of you who are familiar with Ethereum, there is, since the merge, they are transitioning to a modular blockchain design. So they have consensus clients and then they have execution clients. And Hyperledger Bezu, although you can run it as a permissioned blockchain, and I'll talk about how those are, is also an Ethereum mainnet execution client. And it's currently in the top four of the execution clients. And this is very important for the Ethereum ecosystem and the Ethereum Foundation. This is why they chose Bezu as part of that client incentive program because a bad bug and geth, which is the most used execution client, can certainly bring the whole main depth down. So Bezu is really helping with that diversity. A use case using Hyperledger Bezu is LackChain. It's sponsored by the Inter-American Development Bank in Latin America and in the Caribbean. And what they've built, once again, because what they needed is they couldn't just have a public blockchain. They couldn't just use a public blockchain. They wanted a public permission network that they had the ability to have governance on top of it. And now they're building use cases. I think there's over 50 use cases already around digital identity, financial services, digital agro processing businesses, academic credentials, which I mentioned before. And this once again is a partnership with the Inter-American Development Bank and LackChain to build out LackNate and that is using Hyperledger Bezu. For those of you who might be interested in NFTs, so NFTs are obviously something that are very popular worldwide and we do have a project called POM. And POM uses Hyperledger Bezu to create the POM network. And some of the bigger NFT projects are like the DC Comics one. And Damian Hearst, which is a really cool project that they did, it was called The Currency. And what he did is, he's an artist, he's a UK based artist, he's very big. He printed out 10,000 where he painted a large canvas. It was a huge canvas. And then they cut it out to 10,000 pieces. And he sold those art pieces and a typical Damian Hearst will go for hundreds of thousands of dollars. So it's a small piece. And he put those on auction and you could buy a piece of art. And when you bought the piece of art, you bought two things. You bought the physical art piece and you bought the NFT version of the art piece that came with NFT rights and distribution rights. You, however, didn't get either of those. You had one year to decide what do you want to keep? What do you wanna burn? And for those who understand NFTs and you can burn a token. So people have to decide after a year if they wanted to keep the physical picture or the digital element. So those kind of experiments are really fascinating just to see how society is interacting with NFTs and you can Google it, it's called The Currency and you can see they burnt a lot of pieces of art. And I considered what would I do? I think I would keep physical piece of art because how many times can you have a Damian Hearst? In 2019, we also launched our hyperledger labs where a lot of great innovations happening. We have over 50 different labs and if you have code projects that are blockchain or digital identity related, welcome to take a look at it and come bring them here. And we started thinking the community as we're implementing these blockchain networks and different enterprise use cases and supply chain and healthcare and more is that it is not one network to rule them all. It is a global network of networks and enterprises and companies might need to participate in many of them. There's, you can be part of a financial market network and a global trade network and regional networks and those assets have to actually go across networks. So as real use cases came up, there's a need for interoperability between distributed ledgers. So we are addressing blockchain DLT fragmentation. We're trying to save app developers reinventing the wheel having to do the same thing over and again and then lowering the risk of adoption by those distributed ledgers. So in 2020, we brought in a project and it was launched from the labs called Cactus and now it's called Cacti because one cactus and is just one cactus and Cacti is multiple cactuses. And we, a lab called Weaver which was an IBM contribution was incorporated into Cacti earlier this year. So we renamed it Cacti which was the first time we've done that to a project. But Cacti is, think of it as an SDK of SDKs, blockchain of blockchains and it is really a way for blockchains. So for example, you might be on a network that is using R3 Porta and you are having to bring assets over to a fabric network. You can use Cacti to do that safely as well. In 2021, we rebranded ourselves to the Hyperledger Foundation as an umbrella foundation because we were no longer just one project, one distributed ledger technology and as you can see, we really have a breadth of things. New things that are coming up and new use cases, things like hybrid blockchains and a hybrid blockchain is when there are parts of the network that are on a public blockchain and parts on a permission and permissionless. And it's really giving an opportunity for companies that need a permissioned network within a consortium to then also interact with the public network. Maybe do ask the stations on the public network as well. And that's a zonkey. For those of you who don't know, that's a mix between a donkey and a zebra. And in the United States, they'll call it a zonkey. So it's a hybrid animal as well. And obviously this is very important because enterprises appreciate the value of a gas-free chain. So they run things on their permissioned or side chains and they have more predictable transaction life cycles. There's no need to hold crypto. And it's desirable to allow these digital assets to flow to and from the public chains and the gas chains as well. So we're seeing a lot of innovation and a lot of work happening specifically around that as well. One member company that's doing some work is Hedera. They have a public Hedera blockchain network and they are supporting hyperledger fabric so that companies can verify that on the public chain as well. In 2021, we brought in more with hyperledger, Firefly and Bevel. Hyperledger, Firefly is a web three, helps organizations build and scale web three applications. So they have hundreds of different APIs that allow you to build digital assets, data flows, blockchain transactions, et cetera. They support these hyperledger, hyperledger fabric and hyperledger Basu as well as some of the other popular permissioned blockchains, Quorum, R3 and then obviously a lot of the public blockchains as well. So Firefly is really a great way for companies to start their building and there are many use cases. If you attended one of the sessions yesterday around interoperability, we spent some time talking about the use cases that hyperledger Firefly is already powering in the marketplace as well around healthcare, web three startups, CBC projects, et cetera. And in 2022, which is the year that we're in now, we have Hyperledger Solang, which is a Solidity compiler and Hyperledger and non-creds. Another identity project came out of Indy, got pulled out and now can be used, it's ledger agnostic and it can actually been also used, it doesn't have to have a blockchain behind it. And a non-creds is short for anonymous credentials, so it's supporting a very common verifiable VC format in the identity space as well. So you'll be hearing a lot about non-creds and verifiable credentials going on. So a couple of things, as you think about the news, the FTX news, for example, that's been in the news and some of the other major crypto specific sessions reminds me very much of 2017, when I first joined Hyperledger in 2017 was during the ICO bust. And that's when everybody was raising millions and millions and millions of dollars and they just went really bad. And we just kept our heads down and we continued building solutions that were solving real business problems. It wasn't speculation, it wasn't about points, it wasn't about building these large companies but really about building the technology once again that's open that is contributed worldwide, meaning we have a global contribution base. And tokenization is one of the things that continues to be very important. BCG just created this report where they estimate asset tokenizations to reach about $16 trillion by 2020. And BNY's CEO just took some time to write a very comprehensive opinion piece that was published in the Financial Times specific around tokenization requirements and regulatory and that there does need to be some regulatory guidance from the world. So if you think about, if you think what is tokenization that token is a digital representation of the asset. An asset is something that has value, so money, stocks, derivatives, real estate, certificates, warehouse receipts, loyalty programs, precious, those are all assets and as you can imagine having to move those assets around. And tokenization is a process of issuing and managing those tokens. So as you can imagine, financial services and banks are very interested in seeing how they can leverage and how they can continue to tokenize assets to create commodity and to create liquidity for them as well. And tokenization obviously helps and there's lots of different approaches that the hyperledger projects can support in doing those asset changes as well. Just very quickly, Finality is one of the production use cases, now has 17 different major institutions including some here in Japan who are participating in this collateral assets which are tokenized and pulled among the blockchain network. And when I think we're gonna see more and more of these tokenized platforms coming out, I know there's a couple of banks that are working on some priority big projects using hyperledger Basu as well. So you'll be seeing that in the next few weeks. A couple of other things that are important around digital platforms for green bond tokenization. So there's been some work with the Hong Kong Monetary Authority and the BIS and they're using hyperledger fabric and Basu to create some prototypes to do green bond issuance and tracking as well. And there's a great video with Bernadette Nolans who's the head of the BIS that goes into the detail. Another DL tokenization, DL Piper, one of the largest legal firms in the world is using hyperledger fabric along with Hedera, that public chain that I mentioned before to do, they basically create a digital assets engine using that. So I think you'll start seeing more and more of these and maybe not such splashy headlines around the fall of FTX. There's real work, real value and real solutions that are bringing value as well. So three areas of digital identity that we have seen in the marketplace in the industry for a while is centralized. So we have centralized federated. Federated is like sign on with your Twitter ID. And nowadays, a lot of work is happening with decentralized identifiers that dids were approved by the W3C as a standard. A lot of the work that's happening with verifiable credentials, obviously with the Diff and the trust of IP that I mentioned before. And digital wallets are everywhere, right? I mean, if you think about it, I started the presentation talking about the fact that we want to have our assets and our identity to be able to go from place to place to place. And digital wallets are one of those things across all the different use cases that I might have talked about and you can imagine that are being worked on and put together. But today, maybe a digital wallet five, 10 years ago was just from a payment perspective or maybe a loyalty card, but today you need to have multi-purpose wallets. And you really, nobody wants to have 15 wallets to do 15 different things and then have to understand, well, I can give this credential to this wallet but not this wallet. How do we make this much easier for the user to, from the consumer perspective and really make it a multi-purpose and interactive? And this is one of the things that the Open Wallet Foundation is working on and partnering with other organizations like Hyperledger for example and Trust over IP and Diff. And this is the Trust over IP stack as I mentioned earlier on. It's a really great work that this community has put out. But later to peer-to-peer communications is really addressing that agent wallet and there's different approaches and different ways to do it and the Open Wallet Foundation is certainly a place to do that. So today when you say digital wallet, everybody pretty much thinks of their Google wallet or the Apple wallet. Maybe you have custom wallets for other projects but primarily the digital wallet is either a Google, Android wallet or Apple and Samsung obviously also uses the Android wallet as well. But today many, many people including the European Union they've been very vocal about this with a lot of the work that they've put out and research and tenders even is that they don't believe that it should only have two options. You shouldn't only have Google or Apple to decide from. And we believe here at the Linux Foundation that a global open source community can certainly solve that. And this is something that we've been working on for the last few months and these are some of the initial building blocks that the Open Wallet Foundation is looking at, payments, tokenization, ISL, MDL, verifiable credentials, the arms, credentials and non-cred specification which once again sits under Hyperledger. And there's a couple of ones and I know there's a couple of discussions also with the car manufacturers with some of the, I think it's the CCC consortium some of those standards as well. So coming soon, we're gonna have the Open Wallet Foundation and it is supporting various open source projects to basically create interoperable digital wallets, infrastructure and support as well. So this is an open call to join any of our communities that I mentioned today but the open source, the OWF as I said is just starting. We have currently about 300 entities around the world that are collaborating with that as well. So thank you for your time today. I really appreciate it. Maybe we have a question. Do we have time for one question? Maybe, and if anybody has questions, we're at time. All right, wonderful. Well thank you for your time and we'll see you soon. Thank you.