 I do most of the podcast mixing for the nocella cast and for chitchat across the pond using a tool called Hindenburg and I have tracked down math sorry Chuck Wang at the podcast movement in order to talk to him about Hindenburg and the main reason I wanted to talk to you guys is so that other people that listen to the show could learn how the tool I love so much works for me so welcome to the show here. Thank you thanks for having me. Alright so describe to people what is a digital audio workstation that's probably the best place to start. It's everything that you need to create an audio story it's just all the effects recording being able to edit and being able to publish and multi-track and multi-track because our editors that I really like like fission but it's not multi-track so I can't use that so I need something that has multiple tracks sure and then that's what Hindenburg provides the journalist pro. Alright so yeah describe what are the what is the difference you've got a couple of different products there. We have journalist and journalist pro and what the big features are our Norris reduction in journalist pro and we've got voice profiler and being able to publish to multiple destinations quickly and easily. Okay so I think I have the junior version I have just a journalist and it's been working great for me so describe to people how the software works. Honestly it's the simplest if this is the simplest way to record edit and publish podcast and all you really need to do is plug in a microphone hit record button and start playing around with it you can actually get up and go. Nope nope you got to arm the track first. Right you do have to arm the track but it's as simple as hitting record after you arm it and then just going to town. I'm just saying that because 100% of the time I start recording I press that record button and it goes no you forgot to arm a track first. What does arm a track even mean? Arming a track is it means for example you would just hit record to arm the track so it's ready you select your track you arm it so it's ready. So you're pressing a little but red button on the track button and then you hit the red button below. But why do I have to arm a track first is that so it knows on which track I want to record. You just just you're just prepping the workspace to get ready to record. Okay so one of the things that is was invisible to me when I first started using Hindenburg was I would just drag my audio in from outside of Hindenburg and drag it in and then I would start working with it. Sure. And it wasn't until I saw one of your you guys had a web webinar thing and I found out that I could actually save my jingles in the sidebar. Right. I didn't even know the sidebar was there until I watched that and that's like huge and powerful. It is it is powerful if you want a storyboard because you can organize all your clips in our clipboard and it's a matter of literally dragging and dropping things that you find important to you to create that narrative on the right pane. Oh yeah. I mean it was magical once I knew about it but the right pane is full is is not displayed by default so I didn't know it existed and once you know that that's there that's really really powerful. I noticed you have other things in there. You have a you have a clipboard showing so I've been talking about the favorites which is where I keep my jingles but what is the clipboard actually the clipboard is the storyboarding portion of it so if you find a nice segment within a conversation that you've recorded that you want to save as far as your narrative goes you can actually script in that clipboard area. So for example if I'm talking to Allison Allison you've got a great segment that I want to put to the side for later and then I have Steve Steve has another conversation and we put his his tracks in there as well and we create a story because sometimes the interview isn't necessarily what is what unfolds. Oh interesting. Go through and edit that narrative. That's not what podcasters do. Podcasters just record a bunch of stuff and just shove it on out there. Right and you can do that too and that's also really powerful because like you know with the favorites you create your intros or outros you save what you need and you drag it over to workspace when you're ready to use it it's there. Okay I can see how that could work. Now here's another question I have always had when I when we look at the Hindenburg interface by default it says voice track interview music track five you can name those. Why does that matter? It's a visual organization. So it doesn't actually change anything to have a name. No because I notice every time I open it up it has in there the names that I did the last time and I sit there worrying about going okay well is this an interview or you know because it's something that I did before. Right it's all about your preferences honestly it's you can have this be Allison it would be Steve you'd be Chuck down below and your music. It doesn't matter. It just to give yourself a cue so you remember that's Allison's track. Exactly. Okay that makes that makes sense one of the things I do like about Hindenburg too is that when I bring an audio track in it sort of levels it right? Right again like Hindenburg what's really powerful about Hindenburg is we take a lot of the steps out of the process so you don't have to think about it you don't have to worry about industry standard levels like you said you just drag a clip over and then we'll automatically set the levels to industry standard for you. Well Hindenburg Pro does the industry standard thing I think right? We do actually minus 16 if you bring it in on the journalist as well. Okay I didn't know that because I actually run through a whole leveling process afterwards so I level it twice apparently. You don't need to. That's interesting I did not know that I should take a look at the waveform before and after so as far as publishing what happens in that step. Publishing is really easy it's here so if you have multiple hosts like you have Libsons, Spreaker or whatnot all you have to do is create a profile for each and afterwards you can do one click publishing it's easier to see online it's a three minute tutorial. Sure sure okay that's pretty cool one of the things that I didn't kind of catch on at first is this is a cross-platform app correct? Right you can Windows, Mac yeah. I hear people still use Windows I don't know any of them but the but just to be fair one of the things that is an interesting thing about this is because it is cross-platform there's some things that don't work exactly like a traditional Mac app and we can you and I can get into that afterwards but there's a few things that are just like oh that's because this is a cross-platform app I noticed some differences in the interface. You have to point out specific ones yeah but there I'm sure there's going to be some differences in terms of especially like shortcuts. Yeah yeah sure sure okay well this is very cool if people wanted to look into Hindenburg well we should talk about the pricing I happen to have gotten on a very weird sale but a one-time only in the history of time sale but in general how much is Hindenburg? In general it's $95 for journalists and then $375 for journalists pro. Okay so that's that's not a cheap app but for the capabilities that you're getting here I think it's a really powerful app. Honestly it's the time savings it's the lack of frustration and it's having really something it's intuitive for you to work with that you can use day in day out and not have to go anywhere else it's everything that you need and nothing that you don't. Okay okay great well thank you very much for taking the time with us Chuck. You're very welcome. Alright wait you got to say hi to hi to hi Martin. Martin is at home in Copenhagen didn't get to come and he's really mad so I had to go talk to Chuck. Right Martin the whole ball's well Chris Nick everyone else