 And we're live welcome to the red man group on 21 live episode 10 Broadcasting live from Orlando, Florida at 21 studios global command today I'm joined by the red man group per usual Relata Masi rhinestone Carl from black double logic and Andrew Tate cobertate And I was new to the group for this episode and he's actually a former world champion kickboxer and very successful entrepreneur Gentlemen, thanks for joining me Thank you very much Thanks for having us again. This is gonna be a good one. I think so. I think so So like we always do we start off with a little round table What do you guys have going on in your life and new and work and stuff like that? I want to kick that off by saying that next week We're launching tickets to the 21 convention 2018 of Orlando, Florida being held this October It's gonna launch to alumni only and later in May It's gonna launch the public so stay tuned for links and information and if you guys want to attend and you You help like really should come out this year and stay tuned for tickets Roller, what do you have going on? Well, I unfortunately lost one of my Greyhounds this week. So Yeah, it was it was kind of son. I think I you know, I posted a little bit about it. So Whatever I lose a gray. It's like it's like, you know losing family, of course, but it's like all the people that That I work with when it comes to like my my greyhound charities and all that kind of stuff It's like, you know, you kind of have to go through the through the The round table of people and let them know, you know, what happened and It was, you know, there's a lot of people I think in when it comes to adoptions and stuff like that when it comes to greyhound adoptions It's almost like joining a cult really And so many people are, you know, interested in in your dog and what happened to them because their dog is probably related to Your dog in some way Because there's a lot of the same, you know, breeding and breeders and stuff. So Just kind of dealing with that also Again, still working on the on book four Still doing stuff with With pack Campbell. We did we were talking about we're probably talking about it today, too But we're talking about the the in cell killing. I guess in cell driver in Toronto. So we got into that quite a bit and Did that I'm still working on The the series that I've got going right now Which is instinct Instinct emotion and reason I'm moving on to emotion right now And I think I'm probably this is this will probably be the most controversial of the whole thing I'm considering actually making Making this topic Something that I might get into at the 21 convention as well. So I'm sort of taking notes as I'm writing this and then I I don't want to give it. I don't want to give this away too much but The the polish translation of the first book will be available in May so Poland is going to have A very strong, you know red pill Group there at some point just doing the publishing. So they'll love you Yeah, yeah, I know and we've been talking about maybe going out there and doing a talk and and doing a You know just doing sort of a book tour type thing once it once it launches and That's just the first book. We also have plans for the the other two as well and possibly the fourth when when that one hits But yeah, I'm really excited about that. I I would love to get to Poland and and meet some people there. So Any update on the third book the audible version of the positive masculinity Sam is still working on that, you know, it's funny because sam is ever since he started reading my books Um, I got he's getting other people that are asking him to read for him And I know that he's reading. Um, Ivan throne's book right now for the audible version of it And uh, so I think once he's done with that, he's on to mine or he's might be working on mine by now I think so I would say probably by mid summer Cool, that'll be my guess so It should oh, yeah Before actually moving on to ryan I forgot to mention that we just launched yesterday released The rational male positive masculinity of the q&a session the roll on I did add the 21 convention last year So that's a new one 21 university and a preview just went out on youtube and the full version will be out on youtube in one to two months So it just came out I can't wait for those like after After-talk Interviews that we did too. Those are good. Oh the podcast. Yeah, look at those out. Yeah, shit. Yeah, those are good Ryan, what do you got going on other than trucks running running people over where you live? Oh, you're on mute, buddy You're still on mute. Jesus Yeah, they got garbage stuck on our way now. It's pretty good. Um, same as rollo right now, honestly This isn't really my job. I don't get paid doing this and so right now it's more grind on that side of things So I'll keep this one short and sweet besides. I want to hear Tate run his mouth here. I think it's going to be fun yeah Carl Tate, I need you can hop in if you want I I ain't got I ain't got much interesting to say you guys are all writing books and stuff I mean, I what did I do? I drank some vodka and uh You know, I'm just out here living life every day. I'm breathing. I'm a happy man. I try and I try and keep I know it sounds really cliche But I really try and stick with that that basic mantra So I'm just out here doing my thing Work wise and still trying to stay in shape, etc, etc The summers just come where I am Romania It goes to like minus 20 in the winter and then it's like Plus plus I'm talking centigrade. So in american talk, I don't even know what that is And it's like what uh, what city are you based in? I'm in Bucharest. So I'm in the capital. So it's just got hot here Freezing cold. It's just got hot. So I'm kind of enjoying the summer a little bit There's a hundred little summer spots to turn up at that's that's just it for now. Nothing too crazy Sounds like arena. No Carl you back online. You have dropped out there for a second. Yeah, I'm back Cool. I know you see you dropped a new post recently. I've not ready yet Uh, what is it? Uh 99 problems and so is all of them. I think Every one Yeah, so is oh, yeah, everyone Yeah, no, it was something I talked about when we did our last show and it was just one of those I like coining my own words occasionally like genderomics and in this case, I coined something called soy ecology Which is this ecology of soy boys. Jesus I love it. I love it. Oh, I can't wait to read it Just just for the business term Yeah, the post is in essence that A lot of these guys in their Massive effort not to be one of the mean guys to turn themselves into a bunch of mean girls Pretty clever actually Yeah, I know I I'm usually pretty clever So to celebrate having tate on I also cracked a bottle of my callum 30 just to kind of keep it up there I ran out of time. I was gonna I grabbed some whisky myself today. I notice ryan usually has it Ryan you dry today. What's going on? I haven't dried it. I don't know what the fuck Fuck going purple pill man. Fuck. I got me here's mark and the thing I'll probably sneak off at some point if one of your stories goes on a little too long So that'll be me. I'll I'll talk for too long at some point. Don't worry about it. I'll get you Let's move on to our first uh major topic for today Which is what rola mentioned at the beginning of this talk that he was talking about pat cambell on a radio Show recently so recently in canada some incel guy basically who is praising ellie roger You know took a truck and ran him. You know committed mass murder So let's talk about that. I mean the fact that he uh, the fact that he cited and praised ellie roger is I think the first time that's happened since ellie roger committed his atrocity years ago Floor's open to that for everyone's to hit off on it rola. It sounds like already I was gonna say, you know me and me and pat were talking about this On friday and you know we can I I kind of hate it because like whenever there's a school shooting or there's some sort of you know active violence and and it's uh You know mass shooter like I said my first Assumption is either it's islamic terrorism or it's some lonely guy who's lashing out whose girlfriend dumped him or You know something like that happened and sure as shit. That's exactly what happened in florida And it's exactly what happened with the with the dc kid who shot his girlfriend and some other kid And so of course one what am I thinking? You know when I hear that somebody ran over and I thought for a minute Maybe it was sort of terrorism In the sense that maybe it was islamic terrorism because it sounded like it was some you know it's sort of the mo for For uh for these guys, you know in france and other places and and uh, so I thought well Well, maybe that was it but then of course it turns out that it's not and I'm thinking to myself. Okay. Well, what's going on? And then I I see people throwing out The term incel and I'm like, oh great. Here we go. And I wanted to be sure like I I didn't want to believe it Right out the gate because I saw you know, I know how 4chan works and I know how all these guys Uh, you know want to throw You know want to throw shit on the on the story as quick as they can to get people to To you know to to believe something that maybe it's not so I kind of held off from it I didn't want to get into it too much. But then I apparently there were some You know facebook posts about this guy and talking about you know the incel uprising or Uh beta male upright. I don't see beta man, but these are the guys who just like are are like elliot rogers But I think that they sort of take it to another level and whenever This kind of thing happens. It sort of follows the same Uh the same narrative or the same plan and what what these guys went, you know, what the What we're seeing right now and I'm actually surprised that this story isn't a little bit more popular than it was Or a little bit bigger. Maybe it was because it happened in Canada. I'm not really sure But dude, there's a few angles on that. I'll get to it after yeah, well, I think that um I think that The the narrative follows like the toxic masculinity part of things They're going to blame it on toxic masculinity and then they're going to blame it on the red pill And then they're going to blame it on The mra's and then they're going to blame it on migthouse and they're going to find some there's always some angle for them to To try to dig into this and so I see these guys on twitter and I see these these articles and suddenly these guys who Have never heard of in my freaking life are like, you know experts on the manuscript. They're experts on on incels They're experts on the red pill and it's like and every last thing they Pop off with is one more, you know, you can just see just how misguided these guys are but they're You know from looking at it from my perspective with their red pill lens and being and you know being a writer in the sphere For as long as I have I just I'm waiting for each and every little point that they're going to put out there because I know that You know those particular misunderstandings are they they're just willfully ignorant about that because they want to You know again, they want a white knight And the way that they white knight is by throwing any but anyone and everyone under the bus Now fact the matter is it's like I'm not saying that incels can't be dangerous. Obviously this guy was dangerous But I mean the guys confirmed with asperger's he fits the he fits the profile perfectly confirmed with asperger's one of these true force loneliness guys one of these guys who Who thinks that they they they understand red pill and they understand Intersexual dynamics, but then they lose all hope. These are these guys who can't cross the abyss These are the guys that people want to say well these are these are the most extreme cases of people going black pill and I don't Necessarily subscribe to the idea that there is even a black pill to begin with because what I see it as is I see it Guys become red pill aware and they don't want to give up their blue pill hopes They don't want to do that. Especially if they're guys who They don't know You know, they don't know how to be alpha. They don't know how to pick up girls They don't you know, maybe they tried maybe they went and did you know pick up art, you know, they did pua Maybe they tried rsd Maybe they tried someone else and it didn't work for them or it wasn't the magic You know formula or the magic pill that they thought was going to get them the girl of their dreams And so they start hating on that they start freaking out because they begin to realize That they accept that red pill truth But they also have to understand that they're not In a position where it comes to like sexual market value to really Capitalize on it or really do anything so they get hopeless about themselves And I just posted this um, somebody gave it to me off of one of my comments, but uh, this this half an hour Documentary on these guys who are like shy guys or love shy. I think it was what they called it love shy guys And basically they're in cells They're the guys who are involuntary celibates and they would very much like to Get with girls and they would very much like to have some sort of relationship or some sort of intimacy with a woman But now rollo, that was a documentary shy guys or something like that Yeah, you can check my my twitter for it. I'll I'll dig it up here in a minute And I'll put it in the group chat and we can we can put it out there if you want But these are the guys I'm just using them as an example because these are guys who are hopeless They're they're hopeless to the point where they can't What did I lose everybody? I think I lost you. Okay They're hopeless they're hopeless to the point where they become destitute and they become nihilistic and they become suicidal Or they want to find some way to lash out instead of Instead of going the self-improvement route, which a lot of red pill guys go They go the opposite way. They just completely like, you know, shut themselves off now in I think in japan they have this Uh, I think it's this classification of guys called Hiko Komori or something like that Where these guys were like these shut-ins who just you know, these are the guys the lost generation that you know Peterson and all these other people talk about these are the guys Who shut themselves off and cut themselves off except for their their online forums and so To that's where they that's where they come from all these fucking weird Yeah, well because now they I mean back in the day now, you know, I grew up in a time where Yes, there was a lot of guys who were pretty much hopeless nerds, right? But they didn't have These global forums where they could get together and commiserate And so that's one aspect. I think it's going on the other aspect is like if you look at people like right now One of the reasons what and I I said this too when when the the red pill movie came out when the documentary came out I said now mra's get to own that they want to go and they want to say that Where our our documentary is called the red pill We're you know up to that point They hated anything that had to do with the red pill until some feminist decided that she wanted to go and create a Documentary called the red pill that included them was really about her But it included them and so now now that we have this killing now that we have the next Elliott roger It's like if this kid wanted to say he was red pill and god knows what's going to happen because this guy's still alive What's he going to say? Where's you know how's he going to you know what other articles are going to be written about this guy After the fact And so it's going to be uh interesting to watch the net the mra's and paul elam and all them move away from the red pill Yes, they're going to they're going to twist in the wind They're going to say well, that's not what we think the red pill is so that's you know They're going to throw it on the bus because that's exactly what they did at uh with with elliot roger and Who else was it? Joe rogan of all people who is very who I would say is Pretty much red pill and it's set in a sense But as soon as elliot roger happened you threw all those guys under the bus and so as soon as you know Going I would say that at least we get to see uh paul elam balling on national tv again because I Honestly missed that. I mean paul elam crying on live tv is I can't do it man. How do you watch a man cry? Happened once when we're in parade with this fucking retard and I was just awkward like I was still laughing because it was fucking hilarious, but I couldn't do it Ryan before we move off you let's get your perspective on what happened. You're pretty close to what happened physically, right? Yeah At first we were proud because we're like, oh, thank god It's not like america where we lock everything down and freak out over one incident But then they started throwing garbage trucks outside my building to block the street every time they have a jay's game Uh, I god Yeah Such a waste of money, but whatever um Do you remember when you know when you have prescription drug commercials and they say, you know Like two percent of people are going to have an adverse reaction to this and get diabetes from xanax or whatever I think this is kind of the same thing with um czech thought culture You're going to get a million guys who basically can't get laid because they aren't hot like tape with his attitude And out of those million you're going to get a small percentage that are going to go crazy. I think This is pretty much a side effect. It's not like an out. It's a side effect It's gonna happen and the more we lean towards this uh single mom I'm just gonna call it thought culture because it's more clever and less uh less nerdy It's just something you have to put up with it's the same as like the us the rust belt You know how uh the push for globalism So all the coastal elites could have their internet and they were just told to sit here have some heroin and go die And then you get some extreme examples of like the elected trump It's the same thing there. It's all and it's all kind of you can see it go the thing that scares me though well concerns me is uh When you hear people talk about them to keep calling it incel culture incel ideology Which they're antisocial and they're not successful relationship wise. There's no culture by definition The only reason people call it a culture or an ideology is so they can lump them together and then load them up into box cars I do worry about that Like I can imagine in some this is extreme But remember logan's run by 30 years old you have to get recycled Picture by 30 years old you have to have slept with a girl or they throw you into a box car. That'd be fucking freaky I know it's not going to go that far, but it kind of does And then you see people they're just selling sugar water the Trans community came out with some things the fucking Armenian genocide came out those guys Using this to sell it and I'm just wondering those families Are they gonna feel good knowing that their dead loved one's legacy is helping some advocacy group get more donations I think I think their reaction troubles me more than a guy grabbing a van and hitting people Wow, I really ended that on a sad note Hey, give us something happy man. Yeah, what what do you think to me? Well, I think there's no there's never going to be anyone at the bottom of the food chain Who's going to be happy about it like it's as simple as that man There's there's a food chain of life out here. There's a hierarchy and if you're at the bottom You're going to be pretty pissed off and it doesn't matter what you read It doesn't matter if you read red bill or anything else. You're going to be pretty pissed off being where you are So that's the first thing and and when we talk about these guys the in cells They're absolutely anti-social and people who are anti-social are not going to be successful with relationships But they're not going to be successful with anything They're always going to have you know problems in any kind of sphere They're going to have problems getting along with other people problems at work They're always going to have problems the whole way across What I find most crazy is this if I go and run a bunch of people over in the name of Islam and I scream Allah akbar while I do it Nobody would dare associate my actions with Islam all of a sudden that's nothing to do with Islam But you know, this guy's done what he's done and they want to plaster a whole bunch of other people with it It's bullshit, man Well, I think that's the marriage between Islam and feminism Rolo sent me a book recently they talked a lot about this the rise of radical feminism and how they closely ally with Islam Or especially the radical elements of it See it's fucking bizarre. It's more than bizarre. It's absolutely contradictory and it's fucking retarded That's what it is. You there's no way you can be a feminist and and embrace Islam in any form What these people in my view are doing they're just trying to just to disagree with anything they can Disagree with from the western culture. They're looking at western culture They're looking at america which was traditionally built by powerful white men And they're thinking anything that's the opposite of this is good women being more powerful than men is good Brown people with Islam is good. Fuck christianity. Like it's just madness. Like the things don't even co-align These people's these people's arguments and worldviews are so conflicted. It doesn't even make sense There's I've been to muzzle. I was in iraq only a few months ago I will I've been there You can't be a feminist and and agree with Islam in any form because they're they're very open and honest about how They treat females but then they want to come along and tell us we're bad And you know because we have a view of life which allows us to feel empowered as men and to live lives Authentic to our expectations and authentic to our desires. Suddenly. We're bad But if we if we stone a woman to death for cheating we wouldn't stone a woman to death for cheating on us I mean, come on. We're not the full way, you know, like It's really crazy. I don't know how these hours man. How do you have the time for that? you know I'm glad you kind of make that connection because I think that a lot of You know sort of the the angle that you know, what I call the hemisphere the angle that these writers are using right now Is they want to say that These guys have been radicalized by the red pill they want to say that these guys are you know Is is equatable with terrorism like that like what this guy did, right? And yes, the guy went and got in a truck and ran people over that's pretty terroristic, you know a pretty terroristic act, but The The idea that the red pill is radicalizing these guys is is absolutely ludicrous when you when you think about it in its entirety They're using this as some way of saying that That this is sort of an organized or Systemized form of misogyny and watch out because you never know one of these guys is going to try to run you over or run your daughters over or something Feminists feminists shoot up youtube and brag about trying to blow up or thinking about blowing up the white house right in front of it. So Interesting or correct Andrew go ahead Female female fucking privilege man. It's absolute garbage. I don't know why these women are so desperate I'm so offended by a guy who's authentic to himself I'm this is why I got banned man. I said look i'm a 31 year old man I like to sleep with lots of women that everyone lost their fucking minds that was it Since the dawn of human time have men not wanted to sleep with multiple women since when that's never There's never been a time in history where that wasn't case kings and sultans They always had five wives and eight mistresses under islam, which the feminists love so much These dude have eight wives and the wives don't say shit Like all of a sudden the man's not allowed to have sexual desire a man's not allowed to have sex A man's not allowed to be happy or strong or big or anything A man just has to sit there and pander to some female who potentially understands the world You do it's it's absolute garbage the reality of of the entire human condition that reality to a degree is sexist And men have always acted a certain way and men have always been allowed to get away with things that women haven't been allowed to get away with And this is historical and this evolutionarily Been proven and and and the female is so these women are so so desperate to just demonize men for being a man You just exist as a man if you're honest with yourself and your feelings You are the enemy and it's fucking this garbage. It's absolute garbage I'm not going to apologize to anyone for acting how I feel. I should That's that's part of the that's part of the mechanism or that's part of the system when it comes to feminism the The ultimate I think it was me or it was me and hartese. He came up with this I'm probably more hartese than me, but um The the maximum goal or the the the ultimate goal of feminism is the maximal Unrestricting of women's sexuality and women's sexual strategy and hypergamy. It's the maximum that they can possibly get away with While at the same time maximally restricting men's sexuality and men's sexual Expression nagging your way to victory on a societal level and You know, that's interesting. Is it's for you know for for all of the disagreements I might have with with uh with jordan peterson. He just he did say this recently. He said that that uh He he sees a day where um any form of male sexual expression Will be outlawed or it'll be criminal. I'm like you remember that Do you remember and I'm going to use this word very particularly So I'm using this word. Do you remember that bimbo who walked through new york? And and she made a video of the number of times she got cat holed Oh, yeah Remember her and like the most crazy thing about it was I remember doing the math She walked through new york for like 12 hours and she put all these cat calls together to make it look like she was constantly harassed But if you divide the number of cat calls by 12 hours, it was like once every 27 minutes or some shit like so They were so tame Yeah, and they just said hello like at some point in history your grandfather went up to your grandmother and said hello That's the reason we all exist That's the reason the entire planet is populated and your stupid ass wants to come along and try and criminalize Interhuman the basic dynamics that allow a man to get laid and you want to criminalize that they didn't touch you and hurt you This is crazy. And then this actually became a discussion. She she attracts and garners attention It's this garbage. This kind of agenda is absolutely and utterly I'm telling you my view on it made my views a little bit conspiracy theorist But the reason all these feminists and craziness is purported by the media is because they're desperate to demastionalize men Any way they can they want to destroy the warrior class of the civilization Andrew you're in You're a good company, man It's the only way they can get away with what they're doing You if there's no other way and i'm talking about western europe because america is actually a lot better than western europe is Why live in england the western europe is fucking finished you you have no freedom of speech It's domestic violence if you yell at a female You're a woman can go fuck your best friend if you yell at her you're getting arrested Like dude, you can't train your dog You can't do nothing You can't talk you can't tweet if i if i had my account tweeting the things i tweeted and i was still in england i'd be arrested You can't you can't speak it's it's absolutely cucks through and through and what they're trying to do is they're trying to destroy a man's Will to resist because when men resist Revolutions happen and the more cucked they can keep men the more afraid of their wives They can keep us it doesn't matter that the birth rates fall and all that shit because no one wants to marry these low quality females They just want to keep men subservient paying their taxes little ants in a worker fucking system We doesn't matter if we're depressed doesn't matter if we're unhappy doesn't matter we want to kill ourselves We pay our taxes and we shut up for long enough and we allow them to tax us and in that 55 Percent take all our fucking money. It's garbage and they're only doing this They're doing this by just resisting destroying the man's will to resist Yeah, well, hey, Andrew remember big strong alphas. They don't want it. They want little tax slaves They don't want anyone else. They don't want people to think about the muslim thing too You remember the air of spring obviously, you know that was an incel that basically got beat up by a woman And that's what started that whole shit You heard about this Yeah, the guy who lit himself on fire. There was a female cop He went 200 dollars in debt to have enough money to buy oranges to feed his family She fucking confiscate all the shit and slapped him in the face So he lit himself on fire Now if you think about it that incel we just had here and that guy the only difference is whether their grievance was considered valid by society at large So you are right with that whole like that violence thing there's a good side to it too So unless you don't agree with the air of spring Well, what's interesting is they try to make it an ideological issue and in fact It can be broken down into the fact that these guys can't get laid. I mean really I mean and carl had the carl you want to tell me your line here. It's like no no guy who was uh No guy who looks like andrew and makes kind of money that andrew does Kills himself to get 72 virgins in the afterlife. I mean that's I mean when you look I wrote this story It was I think it was part of the dangerous time series where I was talking about how or I would read this this article about the danger of polygamy and Yeah Polygamy for these these societies where they're these guys are Taking more and more women away from other guys So if you have the money you have the resources you can have four or five different wives and it's culturally acceptable, but it ends up creating like a uh a really hostile violent society because of that because for every You know two or three women that you take as your wife Those are two or three guys who aren't getting laid Those guys are the ones that are easier to radicalize because it's easier to say hey, you know If you join, uh, you know bokeh haram We're going to give you a wife. All you got to do is pull a trigger for us Yeah, and and you believe in that and of course, yeah They're going to be happy to do that because that's the only way that they can you know Ideologically even get laid But yet they're seeing this other guy who's this warlord with seven wives And of course that looks like a pretty good deal for them because that is what is that is what? status wise socially significant to those guys Carl do you want to hop in Yeah, I wanted to comment because I think what Andrew is saying is very much related to the tweet You did the other day about the uh chicks attacking the bouncer Oh, yeah, because we're kind of living in a society where it used to be that if A guy did something to a woman in public the question would be okay What did she do to get him to lose his temper because it takes kind of for most guys There's a certain level before you lose your temper in public Someone has to push you a bit too far for that to happen So guys would ask what happened but in this case it's like a woman could come at a bouncer with the katana raised over her head And if he pushes her away to her chopping him in half you'd have like eight white knight stepping up to him like Hey, what the fuck you doing bro? Don't put your hands on her bro white knight White knight bullshit, you know what once twice in fact I say once twice in my life. Have I ever Saw a dude kicking the shit out of a chick and kind of got involved But I mean this guy was fair. He wasn't giving her a slap. He was like kicking her ass like proper hate makers And as soon as I stepped in she started hitting me too Fucking this bitch turns around starts hitting me for hitting her dude. Like what the fuck sometimes you don't even understand these situations Like sometimes I don't I don't get involved in any of that shit anymore I can do whatever he's doing. I'm just like whatever. I don't know the facts of the story I'm from retina town same way she'll jump on you first chance he gets because that's that drama She craves and it's fucked up. But for some reason a lot of girls get off Well, some girls get off on it. Well females exist for attention females exist for attention If you're beating a woman's ass, she's getting a whole bunch of attention Well, some women have nuclear powered hamsters as well So even a man beating the shit out of her in public if you stop him Her hamster is already in the process of rationalizing that and you're interrupting that process. How rude Yeah, yeah, sure. It's fucking crazy Yeah, I saw that I saw that video I saw the video that you posted with the the bouncer and all that and that reminded me so much of so many different situations I've seen when I've been out on promos because these you know liquor even if you didn't have liquor involved women have gotten to a point where they believe that Their security is pretty much insured So they tend to get a little bit more more hostile or belligerent Because they're strong independent women and they're you know, they get all sassy and you add a little bit of alcohol to that They believe that some guy You know is going to step in and break up the fight or they think that some guy is going to go and fight the fight for her And and I'm seeing this a lot more. That's why when I saw that video I'm like man I'm seeing this like a lot more these days. I'm more sensitive to you know, once I once I started being more of a red pill You know, once I had a red pill lens. I started seeing all this kind of stuff in real life man, it's like What are these women thinking because they're putting their own safety on the line and they don't even realize that they're doing it That's not even the safety. It's their fucking lives These women these women a lot of these women don't know the truth is this a lot of these women don't know the difference between A man and a woman strengths. I'm not saying that a man has to come along kicked it Well, maybe but I'm not saying a man has to come along kick their asses But they need to know the difference between a man and a woman Physically the problem is this whole fucking feminist agenda now. I wrote a tweet the other day I said there's not a female on earth. You could kick my ass. So there's your equality And that's the truth like there's not a woman alive fucking ronda rousey. Whoever who could fucking touch me So that's the reality of the situation But these women don't even accept that now if you tweet men are physically stronger than women There's going to be females on there who disagree with you So I don't even think it's so much about these women hoping men step in some of these chicks Legit believe they can trade hands with these dudes and they might beat up some fucking soy boy once or twice And they think they can hold their punches if they take a proper shot from a proper dude. That's life-ending shit That's not let's forget safety. That's that's life-ending Let's do it christian does offer to buy him a plane ticket over and you can take him in the ring Shut them right up quick Feminists who wants to shut me up the old fashion way. I'm ready. I'm ready to throw down What's exactly what I thought with the video that rolo and parl were talking about this bouncer with three women attacking him Repeatedly for like 10 15 minutes. He could easily kill them He didn't but he in any instant he could instantly knock all the teeth out or fucking literally Like one push and they all fell over like bowling pins. I was like That's like a home alone sketch and those are the same women who want to be in combat and stuff in the military It's fucking it's fucking crazy like delusional And it goes back down to like all these problems you can just boil down to the lowest common denominator And it goes back down to gender roles and everything we were saying about that Why what self-respecting woman in her right mind wants to be in a combat role? Like like like really like what's the benefit like I'm not saying that they shouldn't do it I'm just saying like I don't know if I were to meet a woman She says she wanted to see I really want to go to war and get shot at and live in the mud And I'm just like why like is your child had been happy like what the fuck's wrong with you? And all these all these women in general when gender roles are all fucked up They're starting to think they can fucking they're all Mike Tyson as madness is this insane Uh, they just get nato knee when deployments come anyway. It doesn't really matter Well, I mean that comes back that goes back to the idea of the difference between the Equality of opportunity and the equality of outcome and when women want to get into combat roles or when they want They want the outcome to be them winning all the time. They want the outcome to be the warrior princess That's why they they want the outcome The women in combat they never those women never get shot. They're just heroes They just do the shooting or they just do the rescuing or they just have this magical Capacity to you know compete on the same level that men do and It's this desire or this want for that equality of outcome or whatever they perceive as an equal in equal situation But they want the outcome to to fever them even if it means having to Lower the standards and change the fundamental nature of that particular task or that game And in the case of you know, what what uh, andre's talking about here That can result not only in these women getting themselves hurt But it's also can get other guys killed because of that too just because a woman wants to or I say a female Primary society wants to believe in this fantasy of the warrior princess Yeah, and it's absolutely a fantasy. I mean I watched a video the other day I'm not too far from ukraine I was I drove to ukraine a couple months ago And I watched a video the other day of when the fighting was really bad a couple years ago between The russian separatists and the ukranians in donetsk, and I watched the video and it was uh, it was a um Body cam and I also had the mic the radio mic feed of the russian soldiers And he was basically saying in russian to the hq. I'm surrounded. We're running out of ammo There's only 15 of us left like we need evac And and the russian kq said there is no evac He goes there air for air support. They said no there is no air support He said you have to send someone we're gonna die and they said sorry good job soldier by And then he said something else and they literally replied he said something like look we need help And they replied to him stop being a baby. You did a good job. Goodbye. That was it So you've just been told but you and your crew are dead Like tell me there's a fucking woman in there's right much. I don't want to be in that fucking situation No way and there's not a woman alive who wants to be there like you're saying she wants to hold the medal But the reality of these combat situations and the reality of violence Violence is not a glorified thing. I'm a professional fighter. I'll tell you this people think a street fight is oh, he hits me I hit them like the movies and shit. I don't like that Violence is a horrible fast moving Experience and these women are completely unprepared for what would happen in genuine violence They need to stop talking violence and acting violence because When they see real violence, they're going to be very unhappy with the outcome Yeah, you can easily crack your head on the ground die So I've walked into the game over Yep Hey, I got okay, so I guess we're gonna move on here into into uh talking to andrew here a bit I I got to ask this though like You seem to be like one of the most hated dudes in In the manisphere, right? I mean I have manisphere to say but certainly on twitter I mean you've been how many times have you been banned now twice? Twice. Yeah, they banned me twice. Yeah I mean I understand why I understand why Like why you upset people and stuff, but like why why do you think that? Why do you think that these guys hate you so much? I think it's I think it's three reasons I think one the way I word things is deliberately aggressive and provoking Like sometimes I make very valid points and when the person I've had people who get Insanely upset and then an hour later calm down and then inbox me again You know what? I thought about it and you're actually right But the way I say things even if I don't put the view Which I could easily translate into a nice digestible form Instead I decided to make it as aggressive and as abrasive as possible And I do that, you know partially for fun. I'm not gonna lie I'm partially because that's how I am as a person. I think life is abrasive life Life works this way like a car crashes abrasive. Damn. That's that's how the world is So if I have something to say I just like to say it with Absolutely no regard for any kind of feeling whatsoever. So that's the first thing I do The second thing is I kind of one one feminist when I had my verified account Some feminist tweeted this at me and it kind of stuck with me. She said, um, you personify toxic masculinity And I replied I was like, what do you mean? She goes You're a fighter. You have your shitty Lambo You're always with these girls like and she named all these things that I was thinking of If you were to like get a caricature Of toxic masculinity, it'd be some x kickboxer living in Eastern Europe Who's like driving around his Lambo and all these chicks talking shit about women? Like I am the ultimate character Double the horror I'm the anti-hero. I'm the how dare you sir You need to like this sounds like she wanted to fuck you. So it sounds like Oh, yeah, if you want to fuck you sure So, um, you know, that's part of it and then and then part of it I think there's an envy thing that gets thrown in as well. Like, you know, like I'm I'm quite honest and open about what I have and my life. I live And I and I think envy plays a huge part especially amongst the men I mean at one point every tweet I ever tweeted was getting like five or six hundred reports per tweet Desperate to get rid of me and eventually they got the eventually they were successful and you can still google now Cobra tape band and there's like forums all these forums Everyone's like celebrating and posting their email where all the tweets they reported like it was like a fucking call out to get me I wonder if twitter banned you because you were aggressive or just because they didn't want to deal with all the reports Like just Yeah But I think I think it's interesting. I think it's interesting because like I think what you're saying as far as the Jealousy is certainly part of it. But I think that What you say and because I to a lesser degree. I mean, certainly I'm not that and My writing is pretty radical when it comes to the ideas that I present But I'm not out there, you know getting banned off. I haven't been banned off of twitter You know knock on wood But I think what what you do is you remind these guys and you remind women Of the the conventional way things are done, you know, you remind them of the person that They probably at some point wish they could be or they wish I could at least have something close to that But they this is a point I always make the point I always make is if these people could build themselves You know, everyone's played the sims You know when you play the sims and you go through and you select your characteristics You choose how you look whatever if these people could build themselves from the ground up They'd all want to be a lot closer to guys like us than the soy boys. They are Nobody would choose to be I want to be five foot one. I want to be standing I want to have a low testosterone level but I want to be a nice person No one would select that as their default starting character You know, that's just what they're fucking stuck with and they have to get to the gym and fix it But that's too hard. They don't want to do the hard work of themselves So instead they want to attack anyone else who has the characteristics they secretly wish they had Some of these people tweeting at me. There's a guy called Mike Stutchford. I don't know who he was He was like my arch nemesis But I'm super huge dude God like 600 pounds and barely moved from his chair trying to tell me how to live my life He can't even leave the fucking house. What do you know about like, you know, like these and and these people They're they're living a life they they wouldn't choose if they had the choice so Completely and then I'll talk about another thing that happens when I usually say what I say the default responses This dude has no girls. No man who talks about girls this way will ever get laid And and then when they see that's not true That's what happens. That's common. That's common hate is it's it's misdirection. It's a misdirected hate And the only people who listen to it are those who haven't gotten girls I'm not nearly the alpha male of uh, mr. Kickbox and taty here with his Lambo But I've actually been so mean to girls and they've had them still come back to the point where I break character And ask why they put up with it. Yeah, so I know you can be and I know you can be harsh and get away with it It's fucking weird. I don't Absolutely, and you don't have to be too big an asshole like some of the things I say people come on me like I'm really the devil I don't I don't see what I'm saying is so bad like I'm not I understand why it ruffles a few feathers But I I never like advocating really like setting women on fire or any that kind of fucking I'm not I've worked with guys like you You Andra you had this just recently I think it was in the last couple of days you had this tweet where you were saying that That if a woman is fixated on a celebrity or if she's Thinking about some other guy or fantasizing about some other guy that there's no way that Like she you might as well like next to her because she's just she you're never going to be her number one You're never going to be her fantasy or never if I have a girlfriend and she's saying and I don't give a shit I could be with her and she's my girlfriend whatever and she's saying to her friends Oh this rap star or this pop star or I follow where she's following some dude on instagram That means in my mind. She doesn't love me. I tweeted this and everyone's lost their mind calling me insecure That's not a woman truly loves a man. She's blinkered. I know that when a woman loves a man There's no other man on earth that she finds interesting if she truly loves you that's absolutely the case And when I tweeted that everyone's going, oh, you're insecure. You're insecure. I'm not insecure I'm just telling you if you have a woman who's fantasizing or even just interested in the actions of another dude Then she isn't completely head over heels in love with you when you have a woman who's head over heels in love with you She's going to ask you 100 times a day what you're doing and maybe pester you and annoy you a bit But she doesn't give a fuck about any other guy It's actually funny when when I was still at my twitter account. I tweeted this at jk rolling I was saying the only reason you keep beefing trump is because your boyfriend your husband's such a cuck That you're just trying to get the attention of a real man That's what I tweet at and and she replied to me. She called upset whatever and then you know, I said this I pre I pre I pre prescribed her condition before I knew for sure. I didn't know what her husband looked like Someone tweeted her husband underneath and he's like the beta is cuck in the world Like you can google them right now put a picture up. It's the worst dude ever So I was confirmed a million percent correct. Anyway, let me what kind of like would you really want wife? You sit there all day tweeting at another guy even if it's hate trump. You're so bad trump You're so bad trump. There's no way she's sitting there tweeting that over and over again without being a little bit wet Like fucking fuck off I think I think one I mean one of the reasons I think that that guys Hate on that are they of course, you know, you go through the standard Uh, you know, you must have a little dick why oh who hurt you? Why are you so bitter all those those standard things? But I think one of the reasons that it resonates with these guys is Because it reminds them of the situations that they are in because most guys are beta guys you know, we're we're saying that that the Average at least the Pareto principal average is 80 of guys are beta that's being generous Some guys will even go a little bit higher than that and when you say look a woman has usually has a plan b guy Uh, look a woman can be uh an alpha widow She can be thinking about another guy and still say she's in love with you But she's still fixated on that other guy, which is exactly what you were saying here but What happens is that it holds up a mirror to those guys and they get really upset because they don't want to look into that Mirror they don't want to go they don't even want to have the question asked To themselves like is this me and that's that's I think that's one of the reasons they get upset with you What's most crazy is I had a whole bunch of women retweeting it and like look at this insecure guy and all this Bullshit, and I'm looking at these girls and these are exactly the kind of girls who would go fucking psycho with their boyfriend Follow another girl and stuff like it just shows that they have their agenda But if you try and flip it on them all of a sudden you all you're insecure It's like it's not insecure if a woman i'm not i'm not saying i'm gonna prevent my woman from fucking following dudes I'm saying if my girlfriend completely loves me she has zero interest in any other man in any form And that's I think that's completely natural and there's been a few women with a brain who've retweeted. This is said absolutely correct I know i'm in love with my husband I'm completely uninterested in any other man on the planet Well, that's very similar to what role is talked about where if a woman's not make art in yourself She's not your mate or something like that right role The role are you muted? Yeah Yeah, exactly what I was gonna say there is a A threshold of genuine desire and it's really kind of what Andrew hit on here with that tweet Is that you want that hundred percent? You know on 90 percent you don't want that 80 percent You want that hundred percent where she like he said there's no other guy in the world for you are for her and That's one of the things I think that a lot of guys Sort of sweep under the carpet or they just kind of push off to the periphery of their awareness because then they get Into a situation where they marry some woman and she's fixated on like chris hemsworth Or she had a boyfriend back in college that she still pines for and maybe she doesn't even say it all that much But she'll she'll admit it to her girlfriends, but she is not going to admit it to you Uh, there's all kinds of signs that are dropped and uh, I think probably the hardest hitting post I have ever written was one called saving the best and it was about this guy who's Girlfriend or wife. I think it was um Had was was really non-sexual with him never wanted to do anything with him Never, you know was basically a death when they did have sex at all. It was starfish It was just sort of duty sex and yet she would say I was so crazy in my college days And I was so you know, but I'm not like that anymore And then he found some sort of like amateur porn tapes or some sort of amateur porn that she had done And he figured it out that she had been doing this with some other guys that she was you know She'd done three ways with these guys. He saw the the video and and so he was saying, you know, he You know understandably was just like what the fuck, you know, I'm gonna dump you I'm gonna divorce you because this is just bullshit. You I'm never going to be The guy that you have a hundred percent desire for and and so You know, this guy was The side story of this which is really interesting It's like all the critics all the most beta guys were like, oh, why are you so insecure about that? She can you know, she you know, what's in the past is in the past and I'm just like no, dude I mean this is this is this is genuine desire that we're talking about. This is one I want what was it whether the saying is like no guy wants to pay full price for fucking used goods Yeah, exactly. And so you've got you've got these guys who You know who think that they've got they've got a great wife and they've got this great marriage going But yet there's a part of her That they're never going to experience and I've heard old women Say this about their older husbands where they will say, yeah, well, he's a great guy But there's just a part of me. He'll never he'll never experience or he'll never get I mean, there's some they're telling this to their daughters or their granddaughters, right just and in like Warning them to say, hey, look marry the guy that you're hot for marry the guy that you're really really into because Don't do like me because I love him to death. He's a great dude But he's never going to be My genuinely desired guy and having to live a life like that and then have somebody Like myself or andrew hold up that mirror and have and and force them to look into that He'll lose your freaking mind I mean, especially for guys who just are now, you know, they come into the red pill later in life Where they're just sort of figuring things out And I go, you know, these are the guys that hit me up and say, well, I wish I would have this sooner Well, imagine you're 70 years old and your wife Has it, you know Hasn't been with you in a long time and hasn't, you know Basically treats you as part of the furniture and then you become red pill But that's a that's a it's one thing to come to, you know, come into red pill awareness when you're like 40 It's another thing when you're 30 years later But I think it's that holding up the mirror that that you have to find all these rationales for you have to find a Ration out to say, well, he's only saying that because he's never experienced a real woman He's only saying that because he's got a little dick He's only saying that because he's insecure in his masculinity and all of these tropes and all of these standard responses that they come up with because that's The only thing that they have that point in sputter is the only thing they have left to to counter you with And so yeah, absolutely Yeah, it's admitting they lost the argument basically there's fucking losers Yeah, and it's it's hard and I understand that too because it's like when I when I'm talking to guys and they just give me I even guys that are like You know who I would consider red pill You know more or less red pill will still give me a grief about that those because there's that one Part of the red pill that they don't want to accept that one part of Intersexual dynamics awareness that they just you know, they're okay or with it But they just want to move on to the next thing and maybe they they focus on something more specific Or they they focus on things that are away from that You know what they're experienced with with something that's painful for them to to really Accept and to acknowledge for themselves And that's why it becomes it becomes a personal truth rather than a universal truth Absolutely, and there's a few things you said that are really important. I think one of them is is about the no-sex thing Isn't it crazy that there's there's women out there who won't fuck their husband for a year But find the idea of him cheating repulsive And you just expect to just cuck that guy and just destroy his sexual appetite and sexual for the rest of his life And he has to just agree You know and what's really crazy to me is if a woman doesn't want to sleep with you Then okay, she may love you, but she certainly doesn't respect you women want to fuck guys. They respect They don't even they don't even if they hate you even if they think you're the worst man in the world They still respect you they'll still fuck you They don't even have to like you as long as they respect you they still want to have sex You so soon the woman sitting there saying no, we're never going to sleep together She doesn't respect you anymore as a man And that's the situation you've allowed to put yourself in and how you're going to fix that It's completely up to you, but I mean it's never happened to me But I'm very open and honest about the fact I'm a full grown man. I want to have sex I might fucking you and fucking someone like I don't know what you think this is You think I'm just gonna sit here without sex forever I think that I think a lot of guys don't really understand the difference between I mean what we talk about respect and respecting women were like supposed to have this default respect Just because that that woman is a woman just because she has a female Status on her that we are supposed to respect that but yet when it comes back the other way Men have to earn that respect. They have to be somebody that is respectable for these women But I think the other thing that guys don't understand about that is they might have the respect of their wives because of whatever it is that they do or whatever service it is That they perform but they don't admire that guy. They don't look up to him They don't go wow, you know, there's There's nothing that is giving him social proof or pre-selection in that situation And so there's no admiration there. And so yeah, I mean it comes back to the The idea of genuine desire that you need to have that admiration to inspire that genuine desire And that is exactly why that's exactly why these guys got bent with you when you were talking about how You know how women if they're pining for somebody else Then you don't have her full attention and it's like I want a woman who's going to give me 100 Percent desire. I want her to break. I want her to break the fucking law I want her to go against her religion because she is that into me that she has to have me They call them ride or die bitches. Yes And the reason for that is actually funny you said the religion thing because a couple about six months ago I was dating a vegan She said she'd never cook meat I was like, you will cook meat if I'm hungry. She goes, I won't I said you will if I'm hungry or because I eat meat She's like, I won't I was like, well, get the fuck out. Get out of my house. I said, I want bacon cooked If you don't cook it, someone's got to cook it But anyway, she cooked the bacon long story short. So good man Completely agreed you you know and and the reason men want 100 percent is because we have a lot more to lose You're losing half your net worth. You're losing half your wealth. You'll lose your life protecting her on the street Like this are all your roles as a man someone breaks in the house at night You're the one going downstairs You're facing the fucking armed attackers not her and what and she's gonna sit there and not fuck you and dream of fucking some other guy What what planet was the kind of clown world is this like no Go on No, I think it comes down to the fact that Andrew had a great comment in one of his earlier statements where he said the government sees us as Cows to milk for taxes. They don't really care about us at any level And I think that's the same reason why the woman gets she doesn't want to fuck her husband But she gets pissed off if some other woman wants to fuck them because then she might lose access to his resources It has nothing to do with it has to do with her losing her milk cow Yeah, I mean nobody wants to lose the money, but they'll don't want to really pay the cost of having it either I'm around so much effort. I don't have to fuck them twice because some other girl wants them Fuck That's true, but you know and You're completely right there. I'm telling my view on the world is I've kind of come to these conclusions I've been to like 65 countries. I've been to a lot of places And I've noticed that in western societies and the richest countries is where you see the most Beta male men in in poor countries. I'm in romania now. It's the second poorest country in europe There are no betas. There are none. They don't exist here And it's like in the richest countries they exist and I I didn't know if it was the rich countries that created the betas Or if the betas create the rich countries, I mean to a point Having a man who's 45 His wife doesn't love him really she won't fuck him You know, he he wanks off at porn whenever she goes to sleep his kids don't respect him But he won't leave her because he can't be bothered with the divorce. He doesn't want to lose access to the kids He doesn't want to lose his house. He doesn't want to pay alimony forever You know and he just sits there depressed semi suicidal raising the kids and paying the taxes And I think that's far more beneficial to the society than a guy who's like, you know what? I'm tired of this girl. I'm gonna go. I'm leaving. Fuck you. You can look after the kids by Like, you know, then who's gonna raise the kids the government does and I really think that Making men Feminizing men to the point where they'll tolerate shit They wouldn't normally tolerate is more beneficial for a western society than having men who say no, I'm not put up with that No For Yeah, rich enough that you can put up with it, but not so rich that you can not have to put up with it. Yeah interesting Well, I don't think anyone is thinking long term because if you look at it a politician's job Isn't to secure the country's survival for the next 50 to 100 years is to get reelected in four Yeah, so so you get inherent short-term as I have this in the conclusion of an upcoming s Say that when you get when you put women into the workplace That was great for the short term because you doubled your labor force you cut down on your labor cost And you increase the taxable population by 50 percent But in the long term your birth rate goes down You get more divorces and your next generation of children are not raised by their parents They're raised by any fucking else and we know that single mothers who raise kids raise horrible children They either end up being sluts or school shooters or in prison for some other thing And so it's his backman. They have higher rates of Mental disorders they have higher rates of maladaptation to society So it's all in all negative But it was a great boon for the fucker who put it in the first place who could hey We just increased tax revenue by 25 percent Yeah, from what I understand too single motherhood is the number one predictor for a lifetime of poverty crime prison time drug abuse behavioral disorders everything like you just said It's like it's probably it's what they should work and the mother actually because that's that's a crazy thing that no one looks at If you want to avoid being into poverty There are two major things you have to make sure to do as a woman Don't get knocked up before you're 25 and married Be don't be single when you're 40 If you have one or both of those you're basically going to die alone and in poverty and That's the reason why I also invested a lot of my retirement account in petsmark Hey before we move on or uh before we continue Let's actually make it clear that everyone Listening live on youtube and actually ask questions right in the live chat And for those of you watching who are not in the chat for whatever reason you can actually text questions live To one two five six seven nine two eight two one two Again, that's two five six seven nine two eight two one two Text questions. Keep it kind of short and put in a name first name or not on this name And we'll take them live Before we move on quickly address that Ask full shit, you know about the woman and the the porn and our past is our past and all that kind of thing I'll be interesting to hear your your point of view on that I think we're on the same page, but just the reasons. Oh, yeah. Well, I well first of all it's it's It's forgiving of a woman's sexual strategies what it is. I mean, I can I've written books about this Actually, um I think that a lot of guys, you know, we were just saying a little while ago 80% of guys are beta males. Okay, they're you know And I hate to use the term beta male because it's just really sort of an abstract term But it's like these are guys who are on the low end of the sexual market value Okay, they these are the guys that women rate as being, you know, less attractive or unattractive. Okay So you've got these guys you've got a society that is building You know little boys into young men who are bred to be Bread and raised to be these perfect little subservient guys to be these dutiful husbands and to to you know Can't believe their luck when they finally get to a woman's epiphany phase when she hits about 30 years old And realize that they're they're finally their ship has come in and they've got a great gal And they want to get married with her and have kids and all that But yet this woman has gone through most likely has gone through her party years, which you know her Her highest fertility, you know points is right around 22 23 years old And so, you know going up from like 18 to about 22 and then from 22 down gradually to about 28 years old Those are the party years and that's what she's going to go out there and do what I call the sandbergian plan for open hypergamy And what that is is charles sandberg wrote this very famous quote that I've quoted several times, you know many times Where she's basically encouraging all the women Whether it comes from dating she's encouraging women to date the bad boys Date the bad for you guys date the commitment phobic boys date all basically all the the alpha male guys That you can during your youth when it when you are at your peak, you know fertility you're at your peak sexuality You know, you're sexual And then when the time comes cash out of the casino and find a good dutiful beta Who is going to support you and be a good father and And you know give us provide you with long term security Well problem is now is that in the data age in the technology age of technology where We can go back and find people's tweets. We can go back in history and find if a woman had done Amateur porn or something like that. It's really hard for guys, you know back in the day would that Following that plan might not have been as hard as it is today. So a guy has the He can he can do one of two things he can go back and understand that a woman is in her party years And what she'd done in those years and who she was in those years and you can go into denial and accept that Or you can simply have nothing to do with that person and not You know not deal with that find somebody who has a little bit more into you as opposed to into you because Of what you are at that time. And so the reason that they say The past shouldn't matter is because that's and that's a very common Social convention for women is the reason that they want to You know, forgive that or get rid of that or erase that or have it not be as important You know and and and threatening you with the idea that if you do find it important that it makes you insecure In your manhood if you if you find that that her having, you know gangbangs in the college years was you know, that's just something she was just growing it was her her You know her her adjourn yourself the slavery Yeah, really notice the bad the bad past that doesn't matter if she made you a sandwich last week and never hear the fucking end of it And that's one of the things I always say is like that's what feminism and the feminine imperative wants to do they want to Allow women to have their Their sexual cake and eat it too kind of thing, you know, they don't want to be held And where's the benefit of any of this? That's why I find most crazy Well, the benefit is that they can't have you can't have a guy who's like say, you know, some computer programmer or whoever, you know gets to be Uh, you know 30 years old and he still hasn't figured out how how the game has played They got to keep that guy ignorant And if that guy is is smart if he's aware of open hypergamy And I don't see how you can't be in this day and age But if you're unaware of it or you go into denial and you say well the past is the past and it doesn't matter anymore You're just setting yourself you're setting yourself up for what you get after that but the benefit is is that If a guy can be kept in ignorance and if he can't be kept in ignorance Then he must be encouraged to go to denial because it will have to because their long-term security depends on that guy For you know forgiving and forgetting or never knowing or going into denial about the fact that if That woman is not 100% In into him is if she if her desire is mitigated in some way If she doesn't have genuine desire or it's you know, it's been negotiated God forbid you try to negotiate desire if that's what's going on You're never you know, you're gonna be that guy that the wife later on says. Well, he's a great guy, but He'll never experience all of me, you know Well, here's something that I think it's really important to bring up per your line of work Rolo these women don't end up happy like they think they will doing all this clever shit They end up miserable in their 50s drinking themselves to death at record rates Right. It's it's it's like suicide of an entire generation I have and this is a famous story, but I'm gonna tell it real here real quick here because I know I know Andrew works with women I have I have promo girls that come out with me on on promotional stuff from artini fests things like that They they're otherwise known as like booth candy, but we call them poor girls like poor girls And they're there basically to flirt with the guys who Who we're trying to you know, either get to invest in a company or to invest in a brand and stuff That kind of stuff. So it's basically like if you go to a convention, you have booth candy You got women there who look good. So they attract guys to to your booth I I work with these women. I select these women and I I've on several occasions You know, I eavesdrop on their on their conversations. I heard one girl say to the other Would you ever have sex with the guy on the first night? And the other girl goes, well, yeah, of course I have But not with the guy who is relationship material So she's saying basically that she'll have sex with the alpha dude In you know on a moment's notice or on a same night lay But if the guy seems to be in some way a good fit for her as a relationship Then she's that she's going to Give him more hoops to jump through. She's going to make him more You know, she's gonna the idea is that that she wants him not not to think that she's a slut And she's not to seem to seem like the kind of girl that would actually go have the same night lay but The guy the guy who is relationship material she'll make him wait She'll put rules out for him and and and Andrew probably understands this is like women will make rules For beta men and they will break rules for more alpha men And the reason for that is because they know that that beta guy and that that guy represents Long-term security. He really represents parental investment. He represents the you know I will for a lack of a better term a resource transfer a transactional sex as opposed to validational sex Validational sex is the kind of sex she has with the guy that she's really hot for That's the guy that that she meets at on Same night and has sex with him because he's that hot and he's that good of a Of a hypergamist Proposition whereas the guy who is beta He's got to jump through hoops He's got to prove to her and of course when they get older when they get into their Their what I call the epiphany phase and they want to get their lives straightened out and they want to be better You know, they don't they don't I'm done with the bad boys. Well, you know, you're not done with the bad boys In fact, as you just simply cannot compete with your sisters to get the bad boys Absolutely, you're not you're not and you've got to cash out of the sexual marketplace And so what are you going to do? Well, you've got to convince yourself as a woman that you're doing things the right way now And all the stuff that was in the past should not matter anymore And if it does to this guy, well, he's just insecure in his manhood for not forgiving me Like the you know the gangbanks and the orgies that I had when I was in college and so it's interesting how Women can be absolved of their sexual strategies Whereas men are even held to a higher Accountability when it comes to the long term to a lot for marriage a lot for parents out of that kind of stuff Well, they try they try to Some guys don't put up with that shit case. Yeah, and yeah Well, that's the thing is open hypergamy is changing that and it's women that are doing it. It's not guys like me It's not that like guys in the red pill community It's women themselves are because they're triumphantly Tooting their own horns about how they're going to you know Even if Cheryl Sandberg for crime, you know, the CEO of facebook is basically confirming open hypergamy I mean that is a pretty good example of Open hypergamy being out in the public in the public sphere right now Yeah, we actually had a question about that in the chat and it was for the entire panel anybody wants to hit on it From you, uh, you know viewer scooby-doo Question for the entire panel. What is the next step after open cuckoldry? How far will this go? Bonobo style you're gonna end up where no one's sure of paternity and everyone's fucking everyone but in reality It's just on the surface because what they found with uh, I'm not sure who's familiar with bonobos They're basically a species of monkey. They're one of our closer relatives Closer to some of us than others, but anyway The point is that the appearance of this is that the women are basic Well, the females are basically banging every dude there and no guy knows who's the father Or what they see is the women during their proliferative phase They're going after the alphas when they're fertile and then when they're non fertile They're banging the betas to placate them And I'm guessing this is going to be the future is going to be women are going to be on the pill And they're going to be banging betas to kind of throw off the scent and then they're going to be off the pill With the alpha so they still get the full Alpha sperm alpha genetics And they have like seven betas thinking they're the dad all financing the whole thing Yeah, well now now we've got to a point where the betas don't care if they're the dad or not. I've seen it Yeah, I love anyway. Yeah, I'm glad you I'm glad you brought that I'm glad you brought that up because like I have this I've got a a post right now that actually I thought was pretty good it was um The war on paternity and if you look at how the social order is structured right now we are encouraging guys to Give up any idea of of their own paternity And so you want to know what comes that what comes after open cuckoldry it it goes hand in hand with Denying men the importance of their own paternity. We can just raise any kids. She has it doesn't matter Just raise in any way to just go to work because you're a you're a superhero for for adopting another guy's kids You are yeah, exactly validation seeking bullshit Yeah, and you and there's so many different ways of this right now because like if you go and you look and I Think it might be in france or something like that or actually no actually I shouldn't say that it's in the united states where there's these laws that are being passed that basically put a put a gag order on medical professionals from telling Whoever is supposed to be the the father this Of this kid a woman can write any name She wants to on that birth certificate and that is who officially it is whether those doctors later find out that the you know Through dna testing that that kid is is not in fact his they are legally bound not to say anything They can't tell this guy that there's been fraud and this exactly goes Go on No, I was just saying keep going. I'm just saying that's here too. They had this big op-ed about this a little while back in global mail, but Give her it's all yours. This is my exact point about why the past shouldn't be the past as we go on to this subject And they're saying I will just forget her past The reason the past shouldn't be the past is because if you look at humans We've evolved a very particular way and what I've seen now is society trying to go against Everything humans have evolved to be like there are certain trends which exist across humanity And the fact that those trends exist in societies which never met or interacted means they must be at least partially true The fact that in every single society since the dawn of time it was a patriarchy and men were in charge It doesn't matter if it's the aztecs and the hand dynasty. They never fucking met This is china and brazil or whatever and it's just the way things worked out naturally every civilization since the dawn of time Men were the decision makers. Is that a coincidence? What's the math on that being a coincidence in every civilization ever? It's not a coincidence. This is the way humans have evolved to be and if you look at the way humans have evolved Women have never been promiscuous a female was only valuable when she was a virgin Throughout the entirety of human history. In fact in half of the world today If you're not a virgin you're not you're not marriage material and that's as we speak right now So the only difference is we now society has come along and once again tried to go against human biology and correct it all Until females can fuck whoever they want and the reason and that they because we have we have birth control The reason that this was never accepted is exactly what you just said paternity You couldn't fuck whoever you wanted 200 years ago because no one knows who the dad was And no one's going to look up to kids that aren't theirs and if you're pregnant without a man That's a death sentence. You're on the street and you're going to die So that's why you had to be a virgin to ensure paternity But nowadays we have a situation where women can fuck whoever they want without a man getting pregnant without without sorry without getting pregnant So now women have been told only very recently in the last 30 years society saying well, you can fuck who you like And the reason this inflate went back to my original point and say you can't forget the past Women are not evolved to do this women have not for the thousands of years humans have been on the planet Been fucking loads of dudes. This is a very new experience. It's a very new experiment Let me tell you something from my personal experience if a girl has fucked loads of guys She is less likely to be loyal to you and less likely to stand by you than if she's fucked less guys Once she breaks the seal and stops giving a shit about taking a new dick you wait I'm telling you wait till you have an argument. She's going to the bar and she's gonna think you know what he's mean to me I can do better and she's gonna fuck some random guy If she's with two or three guys, she ain't gonna run away and fuck a random guy over a little argument But if she's fucked 30 or 40, she has no problem taking a new dick that stigma is gone So you wait till your relationship gets tough wait till you hit financial problems wait till you have a fucking Who knows what can happen and whatever happened relationships get hard I'm telling you if the girls had a whole ton of men before you she's less likely to stick around This is a fact a fact of life. So when people say, oh, just forget the past I'm not gonna forget that you have advertised to me that you will not stick by me when shit gets tough We're walking down the street a guy tries to take your bag I smash him in the face and I'm not going to jail for manslaughter for five years Are you gonna be running around fucking a bunch of dudes because you're oh, well, you know, I'm lonely I'm gonna go to jail for you and you're gonna fuck a bunch of other men That's the kind of woman you're gonna end up with if she's just fucked a whole bunch of guys before you So the reason the past still matters is because it's an absolute influence on the woman You're currently with there is no quality self-assured woman who's had 50 dicks I'm sorry. It doesn't exist And there's no woman who's gonna stand by you through thick and thin who's had 50 dicks It doesn't exist man. And that's that's my genuine do I feel free feminists are gonna correct me But he's feminist are the most unhappy people in their relationships has ever been they're not loyal to fucking anyone So they prove my point completely and not early through and through Gentlemen, let's move on to the next question from texan 214 Why do women choose to withhold sex give up on cooking and cleaning after they've achieved a stable long-term relationship? Doesn't this go against these security resources and mating imperative because she doesn't respect you in costs Switching costs once the guy has married the chick His costume switching to a new partner becomes too high I mean, let's see what can use something tates said earlier as an example He has an iphone If he has bought every single accessory you can potentially buy for an iphone Him switching to an android is going to be a lot more costly to him because he has to throw all that shit in the trash can In the same time if a guy has married a girl and he figures out, okay, she's not fucking me She's not cooking. She's not cleaning and she's generally nagging me and being the roommate from hell But it's going to cost me 300 grand to get rid of her That's going to be a much harder decision to make than if those 300 grand are not on the table Absolutely Yeah, I'll put it I'll put it in a blue collar way then women she will be as shitty as you let her be If she's if she's supposed to do all this mate retention behavior and she stops doing it And you still retain then you've just told her that you don't need that for her to keep her around Absolutely So you can't really blame anybody but yourself. Well again, it also comes back to the idea that That there's there's a certain A certain amount of dread or passive dread that a guy has to be able to inspire in a woman if you're going to be in A long-term relationship in the first place Um, if a woman is if she's hold if she's withholding sex and she's uh, you know, I'm not I mean what there's I look at women in in two different ways Okay, I see what the sexual side of women as being something that's valuable and commodifiable Whereas anything that goes beyond that is value added and today in this day and age right now Women have just basically reduced themselves to sexual commodities And there's nothing else that is a value added aspect of it used to be back in the day A woman had to be able to have some other Redeeming qualities to her as well as being you know good to breed with and good to have and that's one of the reasons why Why when andrew was saying that you know In the in the past a virgin was so much more valuable Well, why is that because you can you can be certain that if she's a virgin the kid is going to be yours It's a hedge against hypergamy. That's a lot of religion and I don't care what religion it is If you go I will be able to point out to you how that religion tried to curb hypergamy Well, you know people have known this forever. Okay, so now we get into a situation where we even have I mean Just this question right here. What you know What would she do what you know, why do women give up on on sex? Why do they give up on cooking all those value added aspects? Why do they do that because they can because they can do that now because we've allowed we've allowed it to the point where That women don't need men as much I still think they do need them quite a bit but as much as far as the resource transfer and their their long-term security I always look at it in this in this way There's alpha fucks and beta bucks the beta buck side of hypergamy is already taken care of it's done for them Whether it's through an ex-husband, whether it's through alimony, whether it's through the state Whether it's through special dispensations going to college Getting grants and loans and everything. I mean you think about all of the Many many ways that we advantage women in society to to make sure that they are taken care of and they can be strong independent women, right? So we've got that side of the hypergamous Equation taken care of what's left. Well, the only thing that's left is alpha sex And so yeah a woman can do that. She knows that if she gets out of the relationship even in a divorce She's probably going to come out on top. She's probably going to get the kids. She's probably going to You know all of her friends are you know her her emotional base of support is going to be there And he's going to look like an asshole even if she cheats on him. It's still his fault Well, let's take it instead of dread just self-respect like i'll tie carl's point to andrew's point here to your thing here It's going to be fucking clever. You're going to love this so let's say Tate there gets a girl she loves them and then she starts pulling this shit where she stops becoming useful And she knows he won't leave because he's going to lose one of his lambos I can picture you you're going to be calling my stepdad father that way where you would rather burn it to the ground Then give it to her and start fresh. Is that a fair assessment? Well, let me tell you a few things here. Firstly, we live in the way world of cryptocurrency So I don't know why anyone ain't just putting a whole ton of money in bitcoin It's on the principle of it Dangerous and telling and going to court and saying i'm broke because that's the first thing i do I'll pull up in my lambo. Say i have nothing i put in my brother's name. That's the first thing I ain't giving him nothing That's the first thing Second thing is i like what you said ryan The reason she stopped doing what she's doing is because she doesn't have to anymore People will only work as hard as they need to work. It's not just my relationship about anything in the world If you could be a world champion boxer without training, who would train? You don't bother you do what you need to do to be successful if she retains your loyalty with zero work Why is she gonna work? She's not going to and that's a standard you have set and absolutely What you just said about burning it to the ground is important because I am not going to live in a relationship Where i'm not respected. I'm not going to be living in a relationship. We're not respected I don't care what I fucking lose and the great oh my god here, man I'm with you and but the great thing is the woman will know that about me She'll know well, you know what if I fuck with this guy it doesn't matter It doesn't matter if we go to court. It doesn't matter. He doesn't give a shit He's gonna make sure you know and the greatest thing about oh, I like what rollo was saying earlier about how when she leaves the relationship She's gonna uh, she's gonna have the kids. She's gonna have the house She's gonna have things there's also something else. She's definitely gonna have she's never gonna be lonely She can go to any bar any day and fuck and if you're a dude And I don't know who this guy is who asked the question what I think this situation really comes down to is You put yourself in a situation Maybe you're out of shape Maybe whatever whatever but your sexual market value is so low that she knows you're gonna be lonely for a long time She knows I ain't gotta do shit because if he fucks with me too tough I'll go to the bar and get a new him and he's gonna be sitting there jacking his dick for fucking eight months And that's the difference when a woman knows you can replace When a woman knows you can go in at least fuck something she ain't even gotta be pretty She's just gotta be something she ain't gonna be fucking with you too much There's not a wife in the world who's gonna be like, you know, well, I'm never gonna give him sex But I know he can fuck any girl on this bar. It ain't gonna happen There's gonna be one I have to give him sex because no one will give him sex And that's what it's gonna be. Remember women never experience loneliness That's their number one card, especially in later years whoever this woman is whoever this dude is She knows she can bail and replace him and he cannot bail and replace her because if she understood that he could She wouldn't be playing these games She wouldn't be playing these games. She'd be trying her best to keep you happy and that's the absolute truth Moving on to the next question. This actually is a text one that someone sent in over the phone This one's directly for rollo Uh question question for the chat I'd like to know about the dynamic with rollo's marriage and how his wife responds to his red pill knowledge Also is rollo's wife 100 with him Well, I I should actually put that out to you and ryan and all the people who met my wife at the 21 What do you think? I mean you guys you guys I can go here and give you a detailed rundown of my dynamic in my marriage I always tell guys. Hey, look, you know, don't use my marriage as a template for your future success I do however relate that my the success of my marriage is almost almost 100 to my being red pill aware So is my wife aware of what I do? Yeah, of course. How could she not be you know? Um, you know, we've been married for well in july it'll be 22 years. She knows what I do for a living She knows that I you know that I'm I'm around beautiful women all the time She knows that you know just as part of my my past, you know me being a semi pro musician back in the day and Doing uh, you know just being me and doing what I've done in the past. Um, you know, she understands that and we You know, I would like to think for you know, she she looks up to me I mean you guys saw you know whenever we're around. She's you know, it's one of those things where it's like, you know, and When uh, when we're talking about how when guys take pictures Uh with her with her woman how the woman is like looking out and looking away or he's leaning in or or you know You look at these these beta tells I I looked at that. I thought I thought about that I'm like, I wonder if I've ever done that and I went back through my through my pictures with my wife And I'm like she's looking up at me and damn near all of these pictures And so I was like well that right there should show you that there's there's an outward sign as to you know, what the what the dynamic is in my in my My marriage right now When I when I read the question I already knew the answer I just figured it would be appropriate for you to answer yourself. What was the what was the second part of that? Uh, it's also as Rolo's wife 100 with him And I can say it positively that not only from my perspective and observation if she's 100 with you She's 100 proud of your work. Yes. Yeah, definitely. And she's and I think she even mentioned that too when we were at the She told me that straight to my face when I asked her about it What do you horse? You understand what yeah, exactly. She she understands what she's got with me And we've got a really good relationship and we've got you know, we've got a great kid and You know, we we've done real I've done really well for myself and I've done really well for us as well So but I I do that and I I think probably if I want to add one more thing to this I'm realistic about things Guys constantly say well, how can you be married? And and talk about the things you do. Don't aren't you worried? Don't you know, you know, I've got mig tabs all the time Don't you know she can take you for everything you have at a moment's notice like yeah, dude I know that you know, I'm I wrote the book on for, you know, three books on this And so it's like yeah, of course, of course the relationship But it's like I understand that women can go feral and I also understand that if I am Assault is solid in my frame if I you know, I've been zeroed out at least a couple times since I've been married You know financially, but I've sprung back from that and I've built myself even better than I was before even as bad as that situation was and You know, if I had to let myself go, oh I good so you know, I got it went into depression and started drinking and you know killing myself, you know Socially and mentally. Yeah, of course I would expect not just my wife, but any woman to have the same reaction I mean they want a guy that they they want women want a guy that other women want to fuck and other men want to be And I think that I'm in a position right now You know at 50 years old that I can I can honestly say that I'm in a really good state With with my marriage right now, but hand that I'll fall apart at a moment's notice Yes, if I let myself turn into a big bad ship back sure. Yeah. Yeah I think I can be here. Oh A lot of the reason a lot of the time they ask this particular question because I think people who ask this question If you're a bait or you're a soybear or whatever your wife is constantly displeased with you People say like I can't believe your wife is happy with you knowing you do this And the reason they say because their wife is unhappy with them for breathing If you ever look at the relationship with where the woman's in charge She's unhappy with the dude. He can he can wake up and just blink So you're always fucking blink in you're not gonna just treat some like absolute garbage We say men are abusive women in power are abusive over their man. Absolutely abusive So when people ask this question, they're like there's how can someone How can rollo or how can Ryan or whatever? How can take go on there and say what he says and not just rip him to shreds Because they're happy with us and they're happy with who we are as individuals and they're happy with our dynamic And that's so they struggle to understand that because they never had it And then what and then right and then right after that, what did they say they say? Oh, she must be defeated. She must you must really have her under your thumb She must really be insecure to be with the guy like and then they change that around because anything that does not fit Into what they've invested their egos into they have to find some way to defend against it. So I can remember I remember one time I was I was at a I was at a I think it was at a lunch or something like that And I was with some of the people I was working with and I think probably about Most of them were women my wife calls me up and she says Can I spend x amount of dollars on makeup or something like that and these bitches listened to this? They heard it through you know through my phone And and I'm like, yeah, that's fine. That's cool. Whatever. You know, we just really brief conversation hung up and these women looked at me like You know, I'm like what they're like she calls you to ask permission to spend money. I'm like, yeah, because she you know She respects me for you know for what we do. Yeah, it's like it's not like she you know, you see she's like, well It's not it doesn't have anything to do with the money itself It's that there's a degree of respect that there's a degree of understanding and acknowledging my frame Well for your trade, if those girls picked up their phone, was there a man they could call or was there none? No, I say I think all of them were divorced or remarried at some Well, at least at least somebody's calling me bitch This also reminds me of Rola's criticism of Jordan Peterson, which this sounds to me like a healthy dominance hierarchy in a family It's normal But you know, these women are seeing it as abnormal and it's unusual for them given the state of the culture Women want a man who a man who's in charge Women want a man who's in charge when you go to meet a girl and you meet on a date Let's go for dinner and she goes where you go. I don't know you choose watch her not turn up Just say I will hear she doesn't give a fuck where she wants to see she wants to see you Leave take you could choose the worst place on earth. Just choose somewhere. Yeah, do you know decisiveness? Decisiveness and competency Decisiveness and competency Decisiveness and competency where the signs that the man you're with is going to keep you alive when a fucking saber tooth turns up Not too long ago. This is evolutionarily programmed. They want a man who's in charge There's nothing wrong with being in charge and there's nothing wrong with her submitting The happiest women in the world are submissive to their men And that doesn't when you say that people imagine you like you're gonna fucking dungeon them and beat the shit out of them No It's little things like you just described that that's a sign of submission and that's a happy relationship dynamic But that scene is completely abnormal now. I don't think Rola's new uh florida house has a basement in it for the dungeon So I think that's interesting. That's that actually is a good a good point there Andrews that it's not it's seen as abnormal right now. It's not the norm It's something that it seems like there's there's sort of an abusive or a dysfunctional aspect if the woman is actually happy In the frame of her husband or is in in you know guys always say and I think And this is actually a probably a good follow-up to that. I I get this a lot too That if you are in a long-term relationship if you've decided to get married and I think maybe they have a point in this day and age But if you decide to get married or if you decide to be in a a monogamous long-term relationship You are automatically blue pill. You're automatically beta because because you have decided to Uh, you know cut off all of your other opportunities just to follow one one chick and I I honestly think that that's I don't think that's fair first of all and then second of all I think that it's sort of short-sighted because You know if you are if you're going to be in a long-term relationship If you're going to be with somebody for you know, if you're going to get in a marriage You're going to pretend that it's going to be for forever The very best that you can do I think is more important to be red pill as you possibly can and to be more aware And to understand how things work what you know with the nature of women and the nature of them because if you don't You're going to end up in you're going to end up a statistic. That's what's going to happen Absolutely, let's move on to the next question. This one came from a little while ago Shit, where was that? There it is. That's Sterling's question man ask is I'm curious. I really want to know We'll get to that. I saw the one we'll get to the next this one was a little while ago From rp mamba do or no rp mamba, excuse me Do you guys believe america will fall the same way europe is or will america's collapse be different? So he's assuming that america's gonna collapse as well Fall in what way fall in the sense that feminist governments are allowing migrants to come in and Probably basically destroy their countries 10 years ago I you know, I I don't like to get into you know, the socio-political stuff too much, but I do when there is An aspect dynamics and I don't think you can possibly ignore the fact that sweden right now Is a feminist Governed country right now and we're looking at look at the look at the results of that Sweden's Yeah, well look at uh, look at germany. We look at germany. We have a feminist run Government look at the uk right now. What do we got? What's her name there? Theresa may you might as well have a feminist run government in france right now Look at the look at the state of those countries right now. There's no There's no Getting around it. You can't ignore the fact that the you know of the the crisis that these Even if you even if you believe in the mass migration, even if you're an open borders guy You still cannot deny that there is a crisis in those countries Well, let's look at this Let's look at this like we were saying earlier about how society has come along and it's going against natural human instincts Since when have females in history ever been responsible for protecting a territory ever They have no territorial instinct. They're not territorial in regards to when a man sees another man You're walking through the forest in caveman days. You see another man the first thing you're ready to do is fight But who the fuck's this guy? This is a natural male instinct. You're you're you're cautious of foreigners as you should be And you're you're very protective of what you have females have never been territorial ever And women are a lot more maternal as well. Oh the poor immigrants the poor syrians We need to help them poor that's a female attitude when you combine these two attitudes and they have influence over the entire government You have unchecked migration and i'm telling you from someone who's left western europe to live in eastern europe And eastern europe are currently being sued by the european union because they're they have zero acceptance They're accepting zero migrants because eastern europe is saying look syria is not our fucking problem So we're not landing in it. It's not our issue. We didn't fuck it up The syrians started their own civil war whatever happened whatever happened, but it's not our problem So there's a big thing going on in europe right now But you look at the western governments where men are bait on the females are in charge They're not territorial They're not they're a lot more maternal and you have this massive influx of migrants and these migrants You know look all people are equal whatever whatever people should be given equal opportunity But when you come from a savage society, you're going to have a certain mindset We're all results of our society so to say you're going to let in millions of people from a certain war torn Fucking dive and expect them to just instantly start waiting in line and taking the bus It's fucking in insanity And it's and it's a female led agenda You're completely right the countries with female leaders are doing this because women have never been territorial over anything And once again it goes back to destroying masculinity destroying the warrior class The reason they don't I don't know if you've ever watched I know a lot about this because I've been living through it You watch the anti-immigrant protests in poland millions of people forget hundreds of thousands because the polish men Whenever something's a terrorist attack in in england or america, they're like we're not putting walls around our christmas markets We're not hiding behind walls. We live in a society. We can do what we fucking want and we're not afraid of nobody And that's because this is poland run by polish people and no one's coming here to fuck with our stuff And the polish won't tolerate it because men are men But in western society where they've destroyed warrior class men are too afraid to if you say anything you're racist Or you get arrested you get arrested for putting on twitter if you say anything that's hate speech So you go you go to jail So they've just destroyed the warrior class to the point where they can do what the fuck they want And and that's why that this once again ties into the mission of just destroying men Destroying them around destroying warriors and just having a completely feminized society and just pretending That letting in all these people rape in sweden has gone up 4,000 percent 4,000 percent And they're gonna let your you're letting your daughters get raped by immigrants and you're sitting there saying oh, but they need help Fucking insane Well part of that too probably is the ever shifting foundation of what rape even is they keep redefining it Like gulp of shifting every time But yeah, you have that too that has some stuff at the same time Anthony if you change the definition of something back and also that can do two things You can drive up the number of incidents you you record But it can also conceal how many are actually real because a lot of us are sitting here now saying that Well, the reason why rape is up by 4,000 percent is because they widened the definition to the point where Looking at a woman the wrong way is right but I think it's at the same time Yeah, but at the same time if you're if you change that definition then everyone is going to make the exact same Chain of reasoning we just did so if you're trying to conceal the fact that you have a lot more Violent rapes that's a brilliant tactic for it But I think how we'll be over say it's not rape rape. It's just rape Well, this is really interesting do you guys know about what happened in hamburg on new year's eve or germany? Yeah Remind me. Oh, sorry. It was all over germany. It was every it was every major german city This is directly tied to immigrants. So they don't want to report it. You can google new google germany new year's eve Sexual just google sexual that's enough There's because of the immigrants. It was the first year the immigrants came in and there was something like 10,000 reports of women literally being molested and grabbed on the street by by men of middle eastern descents They've never seen women before they've never seen chicks with fucking the kids out or dress that way ever You know and that's directly linked to immigrants and they still did nothing about it because the men are cut They've destroyed the warrior class. It's a feminized society women are making all the decisions women don't understand being territorial And they're sitting here destroying europe and the crazy thing about it is this in 200 years from now in japan somewhere There's going to be a japanese professor talking to japanese kids talking about how europe destroyed itself by letting in whoever they Fucking wanted and it's going to be completely japanese run and they're still going to have no crime Well from a sociosexuals perspective, it's like they're just importing alpha males by the millions That's what I was going to say is like It was I wrote this post called the war brides of europe, which was uh, uh, follow on for my very old post called war brides and What I was getting into there is just how the dynamic that's working out With these feminist run countries right now is very reflective of the war brides dynamic and the I mean look at Look at who Look at who these governments are allowing in they're not saying Oh, we want all of these great guys who are going to identify with our very gender neutral Very progressed very evolved sense of you know gender equality. They're not inviting them in then who are they inviting in They're inviting in very super hyper masculine You know toxic masculine guys To come in and be a part of that country hoping that they're going to assimilate But I I will guarantee you that if you look at it and you can you can look at this just statistically I would say that The people that they are allowing into these countries or inviting into these countries Are are the exact opposite or these are the same mindset that they would throw someone in jail For like like like Tate was just saying a minute ago for being masculine or banning them from you know from speaking and then like you see What was it the I think we were talking about the Increase in rape or the new year's eve rape thing that was going on It might maybe it was hamburg or something or there was something similar to that that was going on in the netherlands And she even Thranholme. She's the lady who has done this video. She was saying that Uh, you know look at the rise in this and then look at the response to it. What's what's the response the response is to Make it illegal for men to cat call women on the street And how do the men respond do the men stand up and try you know form You know gangs or brigades or whatever to like defend these women on the street No, you know what they do they go and put on high heel shoes They put on dresses and they walk in solidarity with women to protest This rise in rape. It's like those are the guys who are supposed to be defending you and they are exactly the results of what What uh, andrew was just saying a minute ago. They're killing off the warrior class. They don't they're actually they're breeding it out They're breeding out that that that those guys You know, I wanted to say back to the original question about america collapsing I don't think our features set in stone as a country And I think the election of trump and all the issues surrounding that is a good example of a masculine pushback Or the beginning of it of the new era. Yeah, I'm I'm not of the mind. I'm not of the mind that All hope is lost. I think I know there's guys who are like, you know, well, let's just go have a drink pool side and watch the world Burn I'm I don't think so I think that there is a definite possibility that we can swing the pendulum back You know, and I've seen it happen before and maybe call me optimistic But I I'm not uh, I'm not one of these, you know, sit by America still has hope western europe is absolutely an early finish And uh, I think the largest enemy to america Well, I find it crazy the largest enemy to america people talk about russia people talk about fucking I don't know serious So whatever whatever the largest enemy to america are the liberal morons marching down the street The largest enemy to america are the people inside of america the people who refuse to allow america to be put first And defend its borders and protect itself and instigate any kind of law Those are the people who are going to destroy america. Rome wasn't destroyed from the outside It was destroyed from the inside by a class of people who were too decadent to go to war and defend themselves And they just want to sit around all day drinking wine and just fucking about and that's when when they came down to throw down The barbarians right gate all of a sudden they don't want to have anything to do with it So they thought let's let the barbarians in and let's just be nice to them Maybe they'll be nice back and before you know, it roams over So it's liberal ideals that are going to rot the west from the outside out russia sitting there I think if we don't have to be america to war quite long enough all the dudes be dressed as women So that's that's that's where if the west is going to fall fall from the inside. Absolutely I think the whole concept is one thing no one's mentioned here is high sparrow trudeau up in the northern part of the Lands here because one of the things that one of the reasons why europeans and brexit happened was that They realized that merkle has just let in several hundred thousand crazy motherfuckers And in five years They're going to be able to travel freely within the european union Well, trump is building the wall against mexico, but mexicans are generally masculine and hardworking What's going to happen? He could have built a wall along the northern border too to prevent the migrants to canada from rushing southward and trashing the entire continent like a zerg rush No weird fatigue and that's the problem Do you not know montreal is packed right now? They like ran out of uh, they ran out of homes. They're actually like What's happening here in toronto is i've uh, they're paying 12 months free rent To come up and move to toronto after seeking asylum from the us because they're kicking you out for being whatever And then at the end of the 12 months, they didn't think they think oh, you just come here and they give you money And you live it's great that like month 13. They're like, oh, we actually have to find a job Sorry about that. So you have homeless people in outlet mall clothes begging for change in the suburbs. It's fucking weird Yeah, this is insane. Amen. It's great. Build a canadian wall I think I think andrew's right about that though. I do think that the I do think that the the greatest threat to Well, it's really societal stability in the united states is really this future as female push Look and you see this more. I think it sort of came Became more highlighted once hillary had lost the election. Yeah And I think that Now you're seeing this really super hostile backlash because a man Took away from a woman her Position that she was you know remember it was her turn, right? It was She's the one who gets to be next Everyone was so fucking sure that she was going to be the next president and then they took that away and a man You know, probably the most horrible Toxically masculine guy that could possibly You know, take that away from her and take that away from them He's the guy who's in the office right now and that's why they won't let it go That's why they're trying to find any and every last thing that they can to take him out of office but Let me just right now. I think that that i'm so glad that hillary clinton did not win the presidency And i'm not i'm not i mean i'll say right here now. I mean you you can say what you want to about trump I'm not a big happy, you know trump fan, but I am glad that he is the president right now and that she is not the president right now completely agree i'm a big supporter Great 20 20 Take 20 20 Take 20 20. Yeah, man Imagine imagine the protest then yeah Let's move on to the next very serious question that we had it was uh, ryan. Did you see that one? Where was it at? Basically, rollo the the question was for you rollo. It's why do you have uh thoris oden hammer? Or whatever it is on your on your neck. I'm a big fan of jack donovan. That's why Okay, no, I just it's uh, that's just something that I have it's I You know, I've had my my descendant my my nationality is danish and scandinavian. So I don't know that that's why We saw we had to get to that Yeah, I don't just something I haven't you know, it's funny that jack donovan and his tribe of guys that are up in Oregon have this one tree Where they hang all these necklaces and they all got like necklaces like this like the thoris You know the odin's hammer kind of thing and um, I'm like I'm half Half of mine to give him this necklace so he can take it and put it on the tree when I see him in october Yeah, jack donovan's actually a confirmed speaker again this year for the 21 convention So he'll be there. We need we need to get andrew out. We need andrew to come out to orlando in october Maybe we're running out of spots, but andrew I'd love to have you speak if not this year than 2019 Either america or just have them come out. Just let's just let's just give them Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. You're very much welcome to come out. You're a speech writer andrew Andrew is here in the loop too. I'm actually very much considering strongly considering an event in europe again or fourth one And probably in poland Warsaw Cool, it's not far from me. Yeah, I've thought about romania too, but i'm not sure about the free speech laws I'm a little bit worried about that for mania school man, romania I think that uh I don't know like when I when I speak to romanians and tell them the kind of liberal shit On in the west they don't believe it because over here that's not real Like there are no feminists and all men are men and it's just like it's the way society is So when I try and say oh, yeah in the west this happened. They're like, what the fuck? Well, they really can't believe it's real Well, you know, it's crazy is we used to host the 21 convention in sweden and in london Once in sweden and twice in london and at this point, I don't think it's physically legally possible to do that They wouldn't even let me in the country at this point or any other speakers many of you guys Oh, they pulled a russian band you from britain possibly. Yeah, it's hilarious. They wouldn't heartbeat. I think yeah, totally australian Australia too back in the day. We can't go back there now. Like there's no fucking way They call people cunt as a hello. How could they possibly not like what you're saying Well, I've just I've decided to call feminism the ultimate hate and supremacist movement in the world So I don't think they're gonna like that The correct answer is because they're cunts Exactly cunty cunts Well, there's your monetization gone now Because We don't have the question if you guys want to dig into it. It's not a huge question From gary jones, how common do you think bpd borderline personality disorder is nowadays among mr. Woman? This is a question we'll probably dig into Go ahead I don't think it's more common than it used to be but I think it's more acceptable to act out those behaviors If you look at it like rollo knows and riot to that I love studying fringe groups because I think that's where you get the most interesting extreme levels that you can extrapolate to the center And if you look at something like the health at every slice slash body positivity movements That's one of the more bpd movements that exists and this is coming from a guy who wants to diagnosed feminism as having borderline personality disorder as a system of thought Because what it essentially is is there's no such thing as reality Everything is about me Everyone needs to act the way I want them to act and there was even a woman who made the argument that you know If a woman who is 450 pounds wants to sleep with you You have no choice. You have to sleep with her otherwise. You're perpetuating fat phobia and thin privilege clown Yeah, I think uh Just on the on the bpd point there. I think you're right. I think that the The behaviors are one of the reasons I I didn't really want to believe that the girl like my one of my ex-girlfriends had Had bpd. I just didn't want to believe that well first of all, I didn't know what bpd was and I that's that's half of it right there I think a lot of guys don't understand that the behaviors and the the crazy manic depressive Behaviors that go along with that. We we want we want to forgive women for that We want to say oh, well, you know, she's just jealous because she really really loves me, you know Yeah, she she just does all that she's just crazy like that because uh, you know all women are crazy like that You don't you you want to sweep it under the carpet because you're getting you're usually getting pretty good sex with that bpd Right until yeah until it becomes Something that you you know It's hard because you're you're as a guy You're kind of wrapped up in the sex side of it And you're you're loving every second of it when she's when she's having sex with you But when you're out of bed and she manifests all the jealousy and the possessiveness and the you know borderline violence She isolates you from your family You want to sort of give her the benefit of the doubt because the sex is really really good But you know, that's why it's so hard to really understand that and then societally We think of those that kind of behavior set as just something women do or it's our problem And that's what I did and I think you probably did the same thing to anthony's like when you get into a relationship with the borderline personality disordered woman you tend to associate or Assimilate her problems as being the root of her problems So if it was if you would just be like more like this or if you just behave more like this Then she wouldn't be crazy and then you modify yourself and you change yourself into somebody that you think that she's going to expect you to be But that's it's never satisfied. It never happens There were elements of that that she expressed but i'm extremely stubborn and I tend to not do anything anyone tells me So there's definitely the pull for that and I remember explicitly like conversations like that The way that i wouldn't behave surrounded alpha male is the That that's some pretty good treatment you're getting there, but a borderline is like that times 100 or 1000 Because it's Behaviour is a woman manifests around an alpha or a normal woman if there's such a thing, but it's just It's like doing that plus a lot of cocaine a lot of expensive skin a couple 100 hookers on top of that Yep, well, let's put it this way. It's it's not What happens? Will I find a bipolar? Is there more bipolar? It's that it's not a disease. It's borderline not bipolar Or sorry, yeah, same thing. It's extreme woman So everybody's gonna have it, but it's gonna be at a four and it's not until it gets to an eight That it becomes a clinical diagnosis. It's just what a bunch of doctors decided was at that point You're crazy before that you're not so bad So you're gonna get it and if you have any amount of like approaches dating, let's say it's one out of 100 If you're a decent guy, you're gonna approach at least 100 women if not sleeping with 100 by the time you're You got some uh This experience so you're gonna see it You're gonna see girls at three four five six seven and all the way up to eight and nine And that's the problem because when you find like an eight out of 10 feminine woman You think oh this is great, but then you forget she's also got eight out of 10 of the worst qualities so It's not so much that Yeah, it's not so much that it's uh something you have to be careful of It's just you're gonna get it to some degree. You just got to pick a level that you can I guess handle lack of a better word I got a great article this week because it was in the telegram I think About a guy who there was a case in england I think where the guy was like well, you know She stabbed me with screwdriver and she threw boiling hot water over me But I thought that was just normal relationship behavior And I kind of retweeted that with a comment You know, I know we do a shit job of telling men about Relationships in the west can we at least tell them that scalding hot water and being stabbed is not You know, what a woman normally supposed to do for you in a relationship? Yep Yeah, I wanted to point out I was gonna ask I wanted to ask Andrew a question actually I um this kind of You I don't know if anybody knows this but uh, Andrew is a MMA fighter And uh, what what were you like the world champion of? Kickboxer, so I was like k1 one world champion. Yeah, I was gonna say is do you think that there is Like being around violence is something that women are aroused by when it's like male on male violence Do you think it's something that they get off on? There's never been a ring girl. I'd be fucked ever Yeah Let's start with that. Awesome Absolutely women like the idea of Women like to feel protected Comfortable look, I think twitter actually twitter can deport the view sometimes because sometimes you'll say something like that And there'll be so many females coming on to disputing that if you ask a hundred women on the street Do you like to feel protected 99 are gonna say yes Twitter's retard land you go to the real world women like to feel protected So knowing as a man that you have a physical ability is absolutely appealing to a female On top of that they see you whoop a guy's ass There's a part there's no there's no part of them that doesn't like that They like to see a man do the dude's ass, you know, these are all once again. These are all primal things We're talking everything. I've everything I've tried to say all my proof for it as such people say well How do you know that I say look at fucking forget the new age because the new age is fucked in the new age A man can take pills pretend he's a woman and fucking a three-year-old can be transgender and dumb shit I'm talking about how humans have always been for hundreds of thousands of years So that that's what I base my observations on because this clown world you can't you can't draw very much from it So men women have always liked the man to protect them and they've always women have always as you were saying about war Brides succumbed to a victim. They find that extremely appealing the fact that here's the fact You want to say something in the french women were fucking every nazi impaired These these these were the men who were complicit in the murder of their husbands But they were the winners And you know what you can be angry and you can miss your husband But when you're horny you want a winner and that's the reality. That's the absolute reality of the world So Violence is the purest form of winning lose. It's the oldest Sports the oldest competition that's ever existed. So absolutely and early females respected females love the idea And they feel protected by and they love the idea of a winner And so for this reason surely there's uh, there's big girl all on twitter Who gives a fuck you're a talk steam masculine all this absolute bollocks There's not a female alive who wouldn't want a man who could fight when shit went down Well, that's the one of the reasons I was asking that is because we're constantly getting I've been feeling these questions about these women who like That that kid in florida for instance the shooter. He's getting all these love letters in in uh In jail right now and this is a very common phenomenon for like You know convicted felons and killers that are you know behind bars I had other guys telling me that uh, they They have to take the female Prison guards and keep them isolated from some of the male prisoners because they're afraid that the women will fall in love with These guys and try to break them out of prison And then like this like this one kid like the the boston bomber I can't remember his name sarnev. I think it's what it is But you see all these kids who are these guys who end up going to jail or you get like somebody like chris brown who beats up rihanna and You know women say well, he could beat me up anytime I want on twitter, you know Because they want they just want to get with the guy and I think that that is one of those truths We were talking about before where we hold up this mirror and we say look, you know, here's the proof Here's what i'm talking about and they don't want to have to confront that especially not on twitter where everybody's like watching them But I think you're right. I think violence violence is the ultimate form of social proof We're guys Nothing says alpha like killing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely And this is how you know men have always been like now we live in a society of dialogue But only a thousand years ago someone pissed you off Yeah, it doesn't matter who's right and wrong. It matters who gets who has the bigger fucking Who gives a shit, you know, dude, he's always permissible to shoot somebody for calling you a liar Yeah, exactly, you know Yeah, I was gonna say when when they were dueling with swords You know with rapiers and stuff back in the the what the renaissance times It was like, you know, you had to walk you had to walk around with a sword all the time because you could Basically just kill somebody Even in america renaissance. Yeah, you guys didn't you have uh your vice president kill your secretary of state or something? I believe so. Yeah Yep, well, you know Andrew Jackson got the nickname old hickory because he almost beat a man to death was with this hickory walking cane After he insulted his wife or something Hey guys on the uh on the old borderline question t. I wanted to mention that uh We eventually will do a show dedicated to cluster b disorders And you can visit visit female psychopath.com and sign up for free And eventually be launching the free website dedicated to those issues dangerous personalities and women When it comes to like disorders and this kind of thing, I kind of think like I've had a few people asking that question And I I kind of think I don't know Maybe this is personal, but I'm not really in the business of trying to fix anybody Like oh, yeah You gotta be living your life and you know, if she's a 10 out of 10 and you love the sex But you know that any kind of cohabitation with her Hell you just have to understand that everyone has a purpose and her purpose is to make a File and just keep her on uh, you know keep her on on whatsapp for when you're lonely and drunk or whatever Carl has an excellent saying for this These are the women you sleep with but do not fall asleep with Yeah, captain save a hole. It's never good man Yeah, if you're like, oh, I'm gonna oh, she's crazy But you know that if you're gonna be that guy you just fuck does sign up for that shit just fucking you know have your thing going on and and Everyone's got a use and it is what it is like, you know Find a woman who's who's more who's more grounded and more base You don't want a fee especially in the society especially in the western world if we've discussed earlier You don't want women who switch you don't need some bitch who's gonna decide to try and ruin your life But she'll be a pretty good job So you don't you don't need that shit like I've had guys couldn't be like my girlfriend's doing this this this i'm like mate Just stop me like you're just gonna be man enough to find something else because that just sounds like fucking That's gonna end in one place That's probably new with a fake rape claim or some shit. Fuck that. Fuck that. Yeah, the shitty is your letter v Yeah, it's like a wedding right till the other day and I almost decided to go down to rano on the van Oh my god With that we're gonna have to start let's start winding down it's been about two hours I want to thank each of you guys for joining on the show today. Welcome back, of course in the future anytime like always Yeah, we definitely got to get andrew back on again. I'd love to have you Great I would like to get andrew and how this would be a cool show get andrew christian mcqueen goldman and Like rich or something like that would be good. Yeah. Yeah. Alan roger curry too. Be good. Yeah. Yeah, there's another one Uh, so with that said thanks everybody for tuning in live appreciate the super chats The interaction engagement much appreciated Tune in next saturday on our channel. 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