 Dun dun dun dun dun I want to pet that dog. I'm gonna leave it on screen. We're gonna start with Jack B and Jack I guess You fiep notifications, so that's that's the twist to you long Welcome to part two people who may be hearing this right now or not because Streams take a second to Good I can see comments. Hello. Hello everyone So uh jack said people that genuinely believe thinking you misrepresented their opinions about films Is on the same level as calling someone less than human should generally be avoided all costs So people that genuinely believe thinking you misrepresented their opinions about films Is that what wolf and rags position was do you guys remember? Did he quote tweet me on that? I Don't think oh, yeah, it's above it. You've been quote tweeted. I think yes. I'm famous Um So We had take uh, we said it was mischaracterization Which affects our integrity as content creators and can actually deal damage to what is essentially our careers Very simple. It's not You said my opinion on a movie was lame A little bit more complicated than that and we've pretty much shown it in the in part one, so Nice try jack And I like how we had to sandwich it at the end with like you were responsible for As but like that's such a oh, yeah So shock this is the crowd that led the mass harassment of the star wars crew members It's like just got to double down on the idea that you're this objectively terrible piece of shit Yeah, I'm I'm the worst Criticisms and uh, then that's that's a criticism you can let me to pretty much everyone who's been critical of star wars in public You know Then we go. Yes, you see sometimes it is frustrating when someone is disingenuous about the points you make For instance, most of the points made towards me in this stream as an adult I am able to be frustrated without mindlessly yelling slayers at them um Wait, he's he's he's very much in the position that slayers are just worse Or insults are worse um I'd have to know which ones were slayers that they've made. I'm pretty I don't think anyone's Called jack a slayer. They've said he's so I heard was uh, yeah All I heard was wolf calling him a pussy, which he is so Yeah, I mean that's unfair I mean, it's a whole this is the the part that I find really interesting is um Oh, he said the room is not objectively bad by the way Whatever jack um the so the the the take that like Um, how do we define just how really bad an insult is versus a mischaracterization or something like that? That's pretty much a conversation of ethics at that point Instead of it because right now all we're dealing with is you did a thing that was bad And then we go your thing was worse and they go no your thing was worse. It's like Okay, this is gonna end well That's pretty good summary actually Yeah, um, that's just about the insult stuff. Obviously with the content criticism He's basically just said this is what your content is and I'm gonna disagree with it And I'm like, but that's not my content and he goes. Yeah, it doesn't matter But I suppose you'd accuse the same of me It's just that people can watch the streams and come to their conclusion I suppose like what else can I do other than provide context and arguments? um as a By the way jack, um, if you're still watching um Because if you are being an asshole and then saying then saying Yeah, but they're being an asshole as well. Doesn't mean that you're less of an asshole Yeah, just take the high ground honestly You will look so good if we are here sort of nitpicking you and teasing you and you just Very calmly just explain. No, that's wrong. Here's what I really think But instead you're just doubling down and looking like more and more of a cunt every time using me Like it's perpetuating star wars crew abuse. It's like, yeah Essentially like you've been caught on your shoulders Imagine you've been caught literally murdering someone and then the police are like And you go that go over there kill two people Then imagine you think magically you're not going to get arrested anymore Well, again, um The cop goes welfare is fair. That freak murdered two people Did you just call me a freak? Well, in that analogy he'd be like, yeah, well murdering three people is worse than two people So I'm right I didn't do anything But yeah, uh, is everyone ready to continue with this masterpiece If you really want to take the high ground by going yeah, we all suck but they suck more If you can do that if he wants I'm fine if that's the position you want to take Yeah, so for context of anyone watching this in the future, this is a second part You probably would have seen efap 22 at this point, which is the longest efap in existence in a singular video Um, and we had to cut it off in case we hit the cap and now we're back for as long as this will take So we're assuming it should take about an hour to finish the video And we're going to do super chats and we're going to look at some comments from his channel because There's some fun comments And then you're all we're all going to have a laugh with with that and then that should be it So that is the on what's on the docket. We are 40 48 into the video is everybody comfy Yes, let's do it as comfy as I can be Jay didn't say anything. I'll assume he's uncomfortable He was drowned out. He was marginalized Hey, Jay pinks this bad this good this bad hell if you do it enough, it's just like a real analysis It's like youtube media critic self-help guidance Many have shared that they want a safe version of my video for their children to understand and learn from Which I am more than happy to provide in this instance me wolf and rags and A talent a gift whatever to be able to discern media down to its Composing parts where someone sees a scene we might see A script instead feel like oh look at the components moving and along the way those two clips even I will tell you what he's heard in those clips versus what they are. Okay, so what he's heard is me say I'm amazing at everything that I do and I'm so skilled and so talented as a you wolf As long as you agree with everything I say and so we are the best ever Also, I make my videos for kids Like that's what he's here hearing I think and he considers that a contradiction From me to be like I'm I'm such a skilled and talented person and then I make critical analysis of media for for kids You know, so he's taking your your facetia statements out of context again. Um, well, I don't know if So the context of one of them is This is a series intended for adults essentially But if you want children to be able to watch it as a lot of people requested I was like, okay I won't swear That should be enough And I obviously that I will mainly only be showing anything from the stars movies themselves So as long as the kids can see those they can see my analysis, I'm Trying to think of if I've ever put any kind of violent I don't think I've ever used nudity in the stars critique, so it should be okay But yeah, well, you can't have nudity on youtube. So and the other Discussion is me and wolf talking about why it is that um our work would be valued And I was like like I would say that we have a skill and this this applies to all the people in this this call I I would Happily admit myself um that we have There's there's something in media that we're able to do that a lot of people find harder or don't have any interest in and thus They prefer we do it for them and create bite-size entertainment that they can essentially do it Really quickly in the form of a video with research or whatever and you can call it a skill or a talent Whatever you want, um, but it's a thing that is valued by other humans Because they lack it or they don't have interest in it Despite interest in what it can create That makes sense So he's put those two statements together and he's not explained the contradiction. He's just let us assume the Something from it and which is precisely what he accused of being bad in my videos. So yeah And he's trying to define what criticism is and then what real criticism is which Yes, and what in depth criticism is and what deep criticism is and what nitty gritty criticism is I don't remember all these words Vision of my video for their children to understand he described Fallout 76 as being benefited by a tactile experience and then rags was like what does tactile mean? Then he said the feel of the game that rags is like, what does that mean? Keeps going You know the game feel floaty all those other meaningless words Don't make sense if you think of an end and learn from when you touch and you feel the game This is the experience you get when you just Fondle the game just pick it up feel the tits in the hentai game. It's real Just pick up the case and lick the case if it's a That's a tactile When my character gets shot in the face, I feel it Flip back at your chair. Do you like it? Immersion Happy to provide in this In study where one is a grave wolf and rags and many many other people have What you could call a talent a gift whatever to be able to discern media down to its Composing parts. Well, where someone sees a scene. We might see A script instead feel like oh look at the components moving and along the way you've forgotten that perspectives are Perspectives even if they're based on the same objective thing It's the kind of mindset that leads you to ignoring that Some people might just think visuals are an important part of a star wars movie implying that I think visuals are not important Did you forget that perspectives were perspectives? This is the most bad faith arguments on the planet I know it's like Will the the commenter at one point in part one that was like, oh come on jack come on Give us give us a bit more slack Why don't you let people have their opinions? Jesus christ you fucking elitist longman longman bad Yep I just think visuals are an important part of a star wars movie and That's no less credible than you not liking it when luke drinks the milk Why the kind of mindset that leads you to blindly say that's objectively a five or a six Without really thinking about what that even means What makes you think that I don't think all that means You didn't think hard enough I guess So so when I say something if if you catch me saying it's a subjective five out of six of five or six out of ten Does that mean I don't know what that means to me? I'm confused by his point here. He's he's like I should be considering what that means Like what makes you think you don't Move these objective scores out of ten like do you ever say I mean I suppose you reach Judgments about their quality, but you never really go. This is not typically no this good and this bad I could guesstimate a sort of thing like I did with infinity war where I was like the character Super strong, but the will building the story suffer in different ways Um, and so like like I said an objective robot might I said might reach a five or six vaguely that's somewhere I probably put it And you'd be like, I don't know You like what are you basing that on just like uh, literally a guess of where it would probably sit if you were to do an objective assessment Which I haven't done It wouldn't mind doing but just I've got other things that I want to I want to look into and um It's a complicated thing to get So, uh, it's much easier to sort of reach the conclusion of are the major payoffs in the movie the entire purpose of the progression of the story They all fucked and based on contradictions in the world the story on the characters like if yes The movie's bad or the story's bad. Anyway, it's in terms of the craft. It's just fucked Um, and then if the opposite is true more than likely going to be good But then you get it's tough when you get to stuff like the character's grave or the story is awful and you're like, hmm Then you have to start thinking about how the payoffs mesh with the um progression At the point where you go, oh, this is great. This is all playing objective criteria You're uh, you're cutting out good At the point where uh, where like something is really good and something else To reach any kind of objective conclusion about the quality of a movie in terms of like a rating out of 10 or whatever You would have to apply subjective criteria, even if the measurements you've made are still objective Uh, it's it's just that that's that's a that's a great conversation that one right We don't even get to that point with this because they they've not even Like addressed what the arguments i'm actually making Uh, the thing out of 10 is is uh, is confusing a lot of the time because it's just like um, You can only get a bit like you couldn't go further It's like something point something something something something something out of 10 to get an exact thing It's like, yeah, I don't think that's really possible for me But um, you can absolutely safely tell if a story is entirely built on on contradicting information then it's failed to uh Completed its purpose as a story by definition Wait, did I miss the third uh, eric segment? No, it's coming And that's no less credible than you not liking it when luke drinks the milk Why the kind of mindset that leads you to blindly say That's subjectively a five or a six without really thinking about what that even means didn't I explain All of that and like what makes me love infinity war or that's what the point of the end of the summary is All of the characters I sum up in terms of their arcs like that would be what i'm thinking about when I talk about why subjectively a doler movie Yeah, but he seems to cite uh, you know special effects is like You know got you there. You don't like special effects and you don't think they matter. It's like Well, no, I didn't say that I just said it doesn't matter on the grand scheme of things when you know time starts to pass I'm not here or someone who's never really going to be remembered literally just for its special effect Especially in this day and age when basically everything has amazing special effects It's to be a five or a six the effects in last year. I don't make it stand out They just make it I guess for today's audience. They just make it palatable Well, there's another whole interesting and complicated discussion how much the visuals tie in To what you address as quality. How do we judge visuals? It's complicated, but it's not something where you just immediately go You know what it's all subjectively me alone I know we should give it a shot. We should think about how it affects other movies Why people do certain things when they when creating these things in craft what lighting is for composition is for how you edit And and frame in movies there's loads of little aspects that are all really important and have purpose It's just like ignoring all of these things from the um The craft You just talk to the people who do these things and if you tell them Like hey, I pick up a camera and just point it randomly and spin it around. It's like i'm a director Just like you they'd be like Yeah Give me back my camera Six without really thinking about what that even means I'm not here as someone who's never done any of the things. I think more was doing In fact, my two most popular videos on sky high analysis wonderland are both super rambly with way too much summary fluff And little distinction between a personal nitpick and a legit argument He doesn't personally distinct the words he uses Well, he's just like you if you better. Oh you can identify with him. Is he implying that he wasn't objective enough? That's actually it wasn't He wasn't something enough. I'm not 100% sure super rambly with weight super rambly I don't know if that's provable Because he doesn't believe the whole objective thing. So I this is the thing Where your standards coming from you telling me that by your definition of what rambly is I am that and you are not that But sometimes you are that and it's based on how you feel of what rambly is. It's just like oh god, so painful That was the thing if that was his entire criticism you wouldn't necessarily have to disagree with it I mean that is your opinion Well, yeah in his worldview. I can shake all this. He says that at the end. He says all this is just my opinion and I'm like I honestly think he said that as bait because surely if he's watched all your content, he knows Yeah, he's seen the tfa stuff. So he knows Too much summary fluff and little distinction between a personal nitpick and a legit argument But these are issues I want to recognize and grow from and seeing a most recent review fall into the exact same holes Well, I hadn't seen this video before then jack. So how could I have learned from it yet? Come on. Give me some of those problems. You see, he's above you. He's he's looking at you. Oh, look at look at Mahler make all those mistakes. I used to make oh It's kind of weird. He's implying he's learning while I'm not it's really funny because uh When uh, you know, I've just kind of been like passively tweeting while this has been going on And uh, he was like talking to somebody and then he said well, we're in talks on You know doing a one-on-one conversation right now and and and I just said because I've been a little bit hostile before I just said I'd be perfectly happy with that like totally sincerely and he just replied dot-to-dot Who are you? And then I just replied I'm the guy who's on e-fap right now. You'll hear me later It's like how fucking smug and rude can you be someone who's genuinely being nice to you? I don't think they can tell the difference between sincerity and attacks. I don't think so Like how they define all this shit is hilarious. They'll just be like you said because It's already it's all it's all in part one. It's all the shit that uh, that we've been through mental gymnastics. Yeah Still find that interesting All right Now I still find that interesting that he says like oh, I didn't have enough legitimate arguments like wait What do you can you define what you mean by legitimate arguments? Are you meaning like? Well, unfortunately He's only done this to set up his point that I don't learn while he does That's the only reason he's put this in here He's evolved as a critic. Oh, yes And bro, sorry really quickly Oh someone in chat a show goth 88 said sincerity is implied I really like that meme. Okay, go on the most recent review fall into the exact same holes I felt a need to point out these methodological problems to you and the fans Many of whom still confuse your oh, sorry He so his argument is I he's saying that I have now presented them to you when I was about to Intrinsically be like, okay, so present them because you haven't yet and then I'm like, oh fuck. He thinks he already has sorry Yeah, this is implies. He actually knows your methodological techniques, which He doesn't believe in you fall into the exact same holes I felt a need to point this video bad because a lot of it is just summary of your content So yeah, he's not making a lot of points. He's just sort of doing a play by play of my content Yeah, clearly he's not really saying anything of value and also I think he's probably a racist and he's probably instigated a lot of attacks across Europe I don't know. I'm just saying What do I have to prove? Also, I think he's probably responsible for literally every person that's harassed you. Yep That's probably just intrinsically trick. Didn't god say that in the bible at some point? I'm pretty sure that was a thing That's how these methodological problems to you and the fans Many of whom still confuse your cinema sins format for deeper critique Oh Okay You haven't proved that shit jack. We can just do it right back at you people confuse Your snipes and your lack of context and your straw men for arguments Yeah, how are we supposed to know that that's what his content of you suggested that we skip four hours of the critique anyway Fucking big brain time boys. Yeah. What else can you say right? What else by the way? I've actually used the cinema sins format a little bit actually Can you can do good stuff with it? I hope otherwise I've wasted a lot of fucking time I've gone on record saying that cinema sins have made good points in their time Yeah, sure three every video Like a whole three guys come on That's being generous something deeper here something not truly explored and it ties together all these things talked about so far But hey, what maybe it'll all become clear very very soon. Oh Anybody's talking about. Yeah, let's let's go ahead and go at it again I I'm not sure what you're saying there. It's out these methodological problems to you and the fans Many of whom still confuse your cinema sins format for deeper critique There is something deeper here something not truly explored and it ties together all these things talked about so far But hey, maybe it'll all become is he saying that every point he's made in this video is now present as a flaw in my new video Is that is the point? Apparently your technique of doing long form is not deeper But there is a deeper way of doing things and he doesn't know it and we don't know it either and what? Shut up. That's your opinion. What is his what is his point that I don't There's a mysterious deeper meaning behind things. I don't know what it is. It's like, okay Real deep critique has never tried before. So we've semantic dragon city is talking about how long it takes some mollusk release videos I don't think so. I don't really get that impression. That's not what I'm getting Maybe clear very very soon So moller is oh my oh god What also if we can just just for a second if we can ignore the trauma we all just visually experienced Jack I appreciate your use of the coin sound effect from ape escape to I got that reference I love that game. We may be friends yet. I am placing in a shield We'll see just put your fucking shirt back on. No, his hair exactly. Look the chat will not be victimized. Okay, we will pink But uh, let's let's have a look Is frequently accused of believing his opinions are objective and this isn't actually quite that's that's not an insult It's just I don't understand how I walked. Sorry. That is a scarily smooth chest. Oh, wow Eric Jay is interested just saying Call me back. Maybe it'll all become clear very very soon So moller is frequently accused of believing his opinions are objective and This isn't actually quite true. He actually released a video recently that puts a lot of it to rest So that statement alone when I first heard that I was like, Eric, thank you Thank you But it's uh, it's just an hour is he's he's fucking with us. Unfortunately So the problem is that his his his real opinions are equally bullshit In the word opinion is thrown around far more than references to the topic being discussed The purpose behind it in this case is to champion the idea that there is no such thing as good or bad Content that everyone is simply sharing their perspective You know the mentality that everyone gets a medal no matter what Participation is now enough to celebrate quality everybody who was in the race now gets a first place medal see Oh my goodness. He changed positions I'll do it. So apparently your your observations are sorry your Whatever comments are objective or bullshit. There's no in between. Yeah, and uh, so the point I was addressing in that video was that um A lot of people will Fail to have strong references and then when criticized they say hey man, it's just my opinion everyone's got one It's like I know that's your opinion so That doesn't really to change anything from what I said, but okay Um, and so it's used as a shield that is my point in that section among other things But he's he's sort of referenced it here to explain what I mean between the difference between objective and subjective. I don't know It's not really the right clip. I would say that's all Moller simply creates a distinction between two types of statements that you can make about a piece of art There's a subjective and objective a subjective statement would be that you thought it looked really cool It had nice themes. It made you feel feelings, etc While an objective statement is provable It is based off the stuff that you're looking at uh indisputable facts It had dozens of plot holes The character writing was inconsistent all that jazz the problem here is that supporting your assessments of quality with examples from the work itself Doesn't actually make it objective. It just makes it well founded What so the question becomes What is the difference between an objective argument and a well founded argument? I find that this becomes incredibly easy to debunk when he When he wants sorry what he brings up as example to try and prove this you can like immediately just say no But I mean there is definitely a distinction there like Yeah, I'm curious of how they because it almost implies almost implies that it's possible To have an objective argument So i'm curious what he would define an objective argument as if it's possible if he thinks it's not possible. I don't know Well, the thing is why why do you even need an objective argument? Like what once you have objective proof or evidence, it's like listen, it's right there. You you just see it It's you don't have to argue it. It's right in front of your face Your argument is created from objective evidence This is very semantic levels of like how exactly you this is the kind of thing you need to be in a one-to-one conversation with To be able to figure it out. Uh, we don't necessarily understand exactly what he's trying to say Itself doesn't actually make it objective. It just makes it well-founded. Let's say that you point out that this knife Disappears mid swipe. Where did it go? And You're right. You're you're you're absolutely right that knife is it's gone. It was there and now it's gone. Well done You're very absurd I don't understand if I don't understand what the fucking there better be a point to the Maybe that's the deeper theme he was going for just things are vanishing and it's not always maybe it's a that better be the point In which point probably I guess but please the joke's over now I just desperately hope we don't find out if he's wearing clothes from the way he's dead Oh, no, stay tuned using the word correctly Um, it's gonna be a correct statement would be that the knife is missing You haven't actually said whether the film is good or bad or well made or poorly made Until you can say why this knife trick made the film worse So So the first problem here is that uh, I'm not sure that I've ever explained why the knife disappearing is uh made the movie worse but um I never would have expected that I'd have to explain to somebody that a weapon Disappearing into thin air Makes the movie worse. Should we do it anyway? No Some people need it I just really like the the condescending good for you mauler. You fucking notice that you want a cookie It's like, are you just okay with things vanishing? Is that not something I should take note of? Is that a good is that an addition? Yeah, yeah, is it better? This is you know, the first time we responded to this was it was called delving into the mind of Eric tax on this like yeah, it does feel like You're entering a world where it's just like what is what? so um, how how I I leave this open to the floor does anyone want to give a shot at and I know it sounds so condescending and I'm sorry about this How is a movie or story made worse when Enemy weapons disappear into thin air at random I'll give it a shot. Um It is you would be incredibly hard pressed to argue that it was done intentionally and you legitimately believe the last jet I was supposed to be bad Like it was a parody Now the fact that it's unintentional doesn't inherently bad but It is it is what you would consider a mistake and seeing something that you can immediately identify as a mistake Is that then the movie is going to potentially pull you out of it? And I doubt there's going to be anyone who has a positive reaction to that and that that increases their enjoyment of the film Unless they're literally watching it because they think it's bad and every bad thing they happen Every bad thing that happens. They think, you know, they think it's funny or whatever That is my take um, I was just going to say the I think there's more to be said to it to identify why it's is specifically bad for a story versus, um How it couldn't be interpreted as a positive experience beyond parody. I still think that's a fair argument Yeah, if you take it out of the movie context, let's say the writer just forgets that you know some Other guy was wielding a second knife and you're like, wait a second He just described it previously in a scene where His one hand had one knife and his one hand had the other knife and they were fighting And then all of a sudden he only describing one arm with one knife He's like, what happened to that second knife? It maybe didn't literally disappear from the universe, but it's no longer described So you're thinking, okay Why would the writer even bother showing me this in the first place? So it's it's if the the writer is forgetful in this case, obviously it's a technical control of CGI and the thing out. Yeah Yeah, so the effect is the same where it's just removed for the sake Of keeping the storyline going like a day-to-sex mocking device only it's a literal CGI machine coming in and taking it away. It's the same literary effect It takes away the agency of the main character the actual threat they're they're in um, the writing consistency, of course because all of a sudden things aren't They're anymore for for whatever reason It it's just bad. I would it's bad on several levels I would choose the argument of Like progression and stakes. It's one of the most fundamentally understandable things, right? Like the reason we get a to b to c to d to d to the end of the alphabet where the explosive payoff happens Is uh, the easy Translation would be that we get shown what luke is capable of throughout the ot and then he faces Darth Vader when we know What he's capable of too So now the stakes are set in terms of what can be lost for both of them What can be gained and what their strengths and weaknesses are So we're all on board with that. We've been given that information We can watch this unfold now knowing all those rules and then You know luke's lightsaber disappears and we're like, whoa When was that and the next shot like his weapon's just gone and luke goes no and then vader's like what And the emperor goes he is another one. I don't know what the fuck it's going on there We're like, okay, and then it has it back. We're like fine. We're back to normal Then vader disappears and he's like, oh, fuck and then luke kills him. We're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa There's so much happening. That's just um, and so you might be like that's just feelings you're describing I'm just like so what I'm talking about is understanding what uh The the rules and limits are on both sides in order to generate stakes. That's what stakes are You can't have stakes if there are no rules Because you just be like couldn't luke just fly away at any moment. You're like, no, he can't fly and go Okay, and look just just use the force on vader's like well It's established that you can't just arbitrarily use the force on a force user because they'll just counter it and you're like, hmm Okay, so I guess this really is down to this sword skill and potential force use and you're like pretty much. Yeah Uh, unless weapons disappear and you're like, wait, what? Weapons can just disappear and it's like that changes the fight completely How can I be invested in what's going to happen if someone's weapon can randomly disappear? Am I just waiting for that to happen or not happen and that's when you realize very quickly Oh, the the plot armor kept her alive to the point where she can make weapons disappear Wow That's amazing I'm going to bring up the I don't know if anyone either in the on the stream or in the chat can confirm this But i'm pretty sure there is a scene in return of the jedi where Darth Vader for literally no reason is holding luke's lightsaber in between cuts Uh, possibly Because of a deleted scene where like luke dropped his lightsaber or something and vader picked it up That is my understanding of it. I don't know if anyone can confirm that for me in the chat If that's actually I haven't seen the movie in a long time I am of the opinion That Return of the jedi is a much better film than the last jedi both on, you know, a subjective personal level and an objective quality You know standards of writing level Um, but is that still a flaw fucking? Yeah, I wouldn't say it's as big of a flaw because it's I I think harder to notice Oh, I wouldn't I wouldn't argue it in that way You could be like isn't the rules set by him holding it that it can arbitrarily teleport and I would be like, um Arguably yes, but it never it didn't take place Uh in a moment that Undid the stake because basically if if you're keeping track of what's happening with ray She's about to be killed. Then she's not You know, it doesn't impact the plot at all. Yeah, I did that saved her life in that very moment while vader Holding luke's lightsaber. They're not having it a second later. It's just like Oh Yeah, did that did that mistake just affect what had happened to the movie overall like You know to a character interaction or a scene or anything like that I know it didn't just know that it's like It's there, but it's not a huge damage It didn't affect the the outcome of the story, but it would be very difficult to argue the Thing it's other than a flaw. Even if it's just an incredibly tiny flaw that yeah almost Anyone watching it will notice. It's so like technically like if the guy with the two knives the film again I'll do it if the guy with the two knives did his flippy flippies and Made his stance when ray was like three meters away from him Then his knife disappeared and then it showed ray charged him and then his knife reappeared when she came at him I would be like that was a weird editing error It doesn't necessarily affect the stakes because nothing would have changed in the time that is is Sword knife thing disappeared and reappeared. It's the fact that it disappears the second It connects with her as if she has a literal plot armor around her But if weapons hit it they disintegrate into thin air. It's like wow Um, so yeah, uh, but there these are really interesting conversations that get to the the the nitty gritty as I would probably refer to it as of um progression in stories and why we don't allow this to happen lack of continuity So these are all standards of like storytelling So you'd be like the movie is worse because I changed that to the storytelling Becomes inconsistent as a result of it which are negative qualities for a story to have when the whole point is to have Consistent progression to generate stakes to get you to the point where all that stuff you just heard Is all in favor of this fun finale where you go. Oh, that's how the story ends or story is I'd like to point out how long it took to describe just a knife disappearing And I would like to point out that that is why these are very long And it's not just because it's just a bunch of plot synopsis Because that's not what we've been doing For the past 10 minutes You get it now. I mean this thing there's people out there who like these kinds of conversations because it feels like they Approach the relevant things in the conversation versus The knife is missing that doesn't mean the movie's made worse for it moving on next point. It's like whoa, whoa, whoa Define all those terms and explain your point and it's like no, that'll be my video long Oh, what's your mail steal raise? What's JJ introduce weapon disintegration as a force power episode nine? I mean, why not right? It's towels is dead at this point. Anyway, nothing makes any fucking sense anymore. So go for it Which is subjective this conflation leads to moller routinely implying that if you disagree with his qualitative assessment of a film Then you are denying the facts that he used to come to his conclusions Well, you would have to be by definition, which is something you can do You just have to have actual counters instead of just I don't feel that they're accurate And I would say it would depend if you account if you were denying the facts or not If I'm like fact one two three four and five Force the conclusion of a if you disagree with the conclusion of a Then that means you're denying fact one two three four or five now that doesn't mean that those things are Impossible to deny there are things that have been considered facts that are not facts And then go back to being facts in life itself such as pluto being a particular thing and then not a bit It can happen Um, I thought with all the information we had available that c3po's arm was changed between movies But then I was given more information. I was like that was incorrect Interestingly, it was still an objective assessment because I have no emotional investment in whether or not his arm is read It was just the information I had at the time Which is incomplete information. That's always been what my argument about this is as Approach doesn't mean I make an objective statement. That means it's definitively true Um, it can be it also could not be it depends on the references and how incomplete the information is Also a really quick comment. Um, ba charles in the chat said and this may be giggle. He said investigate knife 11 knife 11 That was pretty good Which could not be further from the truth In fact, like uh, two people can Like completely agree on what's in a film and what's shown and disagree on its quality My argument would just be that I agree with that and I'd call it the subjective Aspect where how much it bothers you is what we talk about Well, we're talking about the term quality. That's extremely extremely nebulous term compared to my other terms Qualification of the word quality in this scenario would be the degree to which a standard was achieved And that could be the standard of the craft in question or by how much you were satisfied They would be the objective versus subjective Um, I wanted to ask so eric taxon Uh, are they how do they identify male female? I don't know intersex. Do we know okay? I I'm gonna go with they because I don't want them to Prop me up and use me as an excuse that we're a bunch of alt-right, uh, bigots But uh, is have we figured out why eric took off their shirt? No Is that just like random I've seen the video so eric taxon now. He's eric tax off I'm sorry about that Ha ha I'm genuinely sorry But most said eric's facts wrong It could be an argument technique to distract us for uh, not listening to what the hell he's talking about He's like i'm hypnotized You're gonna meet all the tricks you can get man Just what makes you feel worse is that I thought of that joke three hours ago and I've been waiting since then to make it It's primed in the canon Sure, uh, your standards for objective assessment are not separate from your subjective opinions. They're um, I wish I could agree with you eric but like When I really when I say I'm not bothered by a thing to my friends when they've raised an objective issue They'll be like but you accept it exists, right? I'd be like, yeah, but I don't know. It just doesn't bother me really Yeah, and you know what it is. It's it's like so there's a bit of cognitive dissonance, right? It's like, yeah It kind of is Kind of is sometimes you're like, why do I like that when I've just identified it's bad? It's like well, you can explore Why you may feel something more than the average person? Exactly some some plot holes are bigger than others and some of them don't have much weight So you can see that and that's when you start arguing things like well The the positives that way the negatives and that's true. Some movies are like that. They are not perfect But they don't detract from the overall experience But you don't just suddenly put these these holes into a little box and say they don't matter anymore They of course they matter and depends on how many there are and how big they are You can't deny that they didn't happen if they did, you know Yeah, just more opinions. So no moller doesn't think his opinions are objective he just If Eric identifies as female does that mean That we have to censor their nipples. I've censored it anyway. So we're all good Yeah, sorry. Also someone in chat made a really good point. This music is very eerie with this footage It kind of oh my god. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought it's it's it's like some silence of the lamb's shit right now I could actually totally see that evolving into a horror scene Please don't give me ideas molla tomorrow. You're gonna wake up in a room. You're gonna hear that. No Doing that Like completely agree on what's in a film and what's shown and disagree on its quality In short, uh, your standards for objective assessment are not separate from your subjective opinions They're just more opinions. So no moller doesn't think his opinions are objective he just Thinks his opinions are objective. Bye moller. I hope you have a good day. What the fuck I mean, that was nice of him to say at the end though, right? Yeah, why is movie bob on here? It's it would have been a clip in my video and he's just playing my video randomly in the background. I think Oh I think that's no, there's there's watermarks all over that mother because movie bob's like hideously ugly Bye moller. I hope you have a good day. What the fuck this new force awakens video as it goes has By the way, Eric, if you are watching this, I want to make it clear But I actually think I actually quite like you. I think you're nice I think he's nice. Yes, I disagree with you, but I think you're a nice guy And I didn't mean any offense to you if I have like made a joke about you I hope that I I just want you to feel that I do not have anything against you and I want to make that clear Awesome Now please just don't like jack. That's really the only person I don't like here But not like a deep hatred just like a god. You're so annoying and you think you're so right. But yeah, Eric Eric seems pretty civil And I mean, I mean they're they're wrong about nearly everything that they're saying and their Arguments are completely simplistic and just sort of like they don't really come up with any sort of real counter argument Like any real solution to it. They just look at you and go, you know long man bath But essentially saying that objectivity does not exist You're like, oh, I feel like just every fucking video responding to Mueller at this point is just ad nauseum the same shit over and over It's like, oh, yeah, you think you're right and you think you're objective. You're not it's like Great fucking conversation. We've really opened a lot of eyes here. Hi. I hear you Jack, I just want to say if you're watching this and you took offense at anything I said grow up That's fair What's that about Jay, why'd you People but jack you've kind of annoyed me. I'm sorry. I only have so much at will Yeah, like honestly jack if you just took the arguments that Mueller made and said I don't agree with this I don't think this is correct. You would have been much better off Instead of just fucking. Oh, yeah It must not like women like that into your argument substantially and it made you just look like a cunt And I would advise next time if you don't do that I think people will be a lot more fair on you, but also you're not funny I should just pepper that in like it's not it doesn't the zooms don't make you funny objective, okay I don't I don't think he's funny. He's just condescending and uptight and Humorless and smug. I would just go with the standards. Um, I'd probably find his jokes and delivery a bit funnier if they were more accurate Um A lot of comedy relies on zoom every time to carry the weight of the joke because the zoom it's like I I do that in my videos when I'm too lazy to edit something funny on screen. I just zoom in a little bit and then most people go Same Yeah, no, it's it's something that a lot of creators do I I would uh, yeah, no, it's it's a lazy solution That's like it's a lazy solution to keep like It's a lazy solution to keep the um people from like getting You know tunnel vision Also, you know making the footage spin or making it like rotate and hue really quickly. I like both of those as well Yeah, there's no actual jokes in my videos. There's just things there to make you think there are jokes I've literally never made a joke I was looking at my my mentions on on Discord there's one left and I just found it it says thanks for the stream and the unbelievable stamina to endure the bollocks It's true The bollocks are subjective you're like a horse implied All right, let's draw it back a little bit And we can do it policies we have spoken about here and more Despite the fact that the man has now spoken for an accumulated 30 plus hours about how much he did long man bad This likes the new song. Oh, you hate things for his podcast Yeah, and this is weird as well like I've we've addressed this before but nobody seems to give a shit when they make this argument Um when i'm talking about star wars If you just frame it that way, it's like wow, you're obsessed with star wars I'll be like oh, so when we're talking about like the ideas of a consistent narrative and how it can affect stakes You couldn't label that as talking about star wars And it's like i'm kind of talking about writing really and they're like no you're talking about star wars though like, okay also, uh bouncy ball studio said jack is on his twitter right now trying to quote unquote parody moller He's basically pulling off a quintin I mean quintin really want to see it didn't go well for quintin so Good luck my friend. We'll see how that turns out which I mean the first hour is just moller talking about twitter arguments he had I simply don't see what I mean like have you guys seen the video? Yeah, so the first hour is twitter arguments like jack. You know this is disingenuous Yeah, you went over like twitter. I would say for like maybe five minutes So like I feel so condescending once again So so so jack the hour is skippable Because the hour is is addressing What my issues are with with critics of the current day? Uh, or at least selects amounts and how I'm finding a pattern in how they they've achieved They do a thing and they make some errors and all of these errors can actually be sort of shoved into the same category The idea is is a setup in the first hour where I Display them all separately and then I think it's 20 minutes near the finale where I imply how all of them are falling into the trap of Generating subjective references based on whatever bias they hold And I know that you could be like that's what you're doing And I'm like okay, but you've got to prove it You can't just take me out of context and then say i'm Long man bad. It's like it's not enough um so like Inserting politics into your position Taking a position you don't actually hold that'll get you views because other people have been saying it Like that this is it wouldn't be objective because you've just got nothing to support. It's just a statement That was that's down with thrust. There's a whole bunch of them. And so the twitter argument Is hbomber guy saying that yes, I've proven that there are Bad hitboxes in Dark Souls 2 as in the hitbox does not match the model and then he goes on to say that that's not an objective flaw And so it's just like what Huh How does it and also the the irony of him talking about how you would you put twitter Criticisms and arguments in your video like that's inherently pathetic and then him refusing to directly debate you Whether or not you have a certain number of people he doesn't like and then just bitching for like eight fucking hours on twitter And basically just I wouldn't call it sub tweeting because obviously everyone knows who he's talking about But it's just it's like dude You can't act like you have better shit to do you're being just as much of a man child as you're accusing moller of being She was one she was one of them So the twitter thing could only be applied to the hbomber guy section And he likes hbomber guys is probably why he picked on it and that section I think you can see tweets on the screen for probably three minutes in total in the first hour maybe I'm trying to be over overestimate, but you know who knows maybe it's more, but it's uh the whole hour jack really the whole hour Okay three hour long critique which I mean the first hour is just more we're talking about twitter arguments he had I simply don't agree with your approach to video game criticism. It's a little immature to write So such a good impression by the way to explain this to you like if I was to make a scripted video and then I go I don't need to respond to jack's long critique is not deep critique because the entire 53 minutes Is just him talking about how I use twitter and then I show this small 10 second clip Yep, so I gotta do and then I've done it and that's what you've done to me and you Lack like the most basic self-awareness to understand that It's if you've achieved objectivity and I'm out to make you look crazy for it And I'd recommend like chilling out seeing it come out just two days after Racer vix mass effect andromeda overview a full rundown of the games development cycle These are not the same thing jack What I was doing let's see how he equivalents this It's just going to be a long fall breakdown of content that's detailed and in in depth versus mine Which let's change the subject and pretend it's connected. It's a little immature to write If you've achieved objectivity and I'm out to make you look crazy for it And I'd recommend like chilling out seeing it come out just two days after Racer vix mass effect andromeda overview a full rundown of the games development cycle As well as provide key insights into aspects of the game Which may have contributed to it being so unpalatable to many players and why in just under an hour It's certainly unfortunate contrast. What do you think my videos are if not? An argument from objectivity where I can as best I can Or why people find the last Jedi and the Force Awakens so unpalatable I find it interesting his choice of using clips like he says that your entire hour is like It's a twitter rant. So and then in this other video He shows like a quick time lapse like a sped up clip of what he's referring to now If that were true about you having like just an hour of twitter arguments Why didn't he speed up Like lengthy examples of your twitter arguments and do that he just choose Yeah And that makes you think Yeah, but actually listen to what he's saying. He's he's comparing apples to oranges It's like so what this movie came out two days after this other guy's video This movie It's funny that people were afraid of my work because movies that I was like, it's not wrong. It's funny uh, but The yeah the the idea that me and racovic are gonna have completely different approaches and completely different goals And so to just be like he's got a video and I prefer it. It's better sure, man Any players and why in just under an hour? It's certainly unfortunate contrast when you get out So my opening hour is not about why the force awakens is unpalatable So comparing it to racovics makes no sense Yeah Four and a half into this critique and almost nothing has actually been said about star was the force awakens You know, there might be a problem jack again. Sorry about this, but it's just it's like your biggest blind spot I put a skip function at the beginning and I explain what's going to be in the intro before the intro happens For people like you who don't want to listen to it What else do you want me to do outside of separate it which I ended up doing shorter videos you fuck Longman bad Don't worry though. This is only the intro. So it doesn't matter that we spend a whopping hour with moorla just kind of well If the entire project is is 15 16 hours And one hour is the introduction that means it would be 7% of the project was introduction as reasonable, isn't it? In terms of a ratio No, fuck you. It's long You're describing like so many more things than you know, yeah, I know it's it's complicated to refer to it as an introduction Which is what I do. Uh, doesn't exactly encompass exactly what's in there, but I mean Why am I even trying to explain this to jack at this point? Rancing about disagreements he had about Yeah, there's nothing to do with me trying to discern how reviewers and critics are using a conflation of objective argumentation and subjective argumentation to Prove points and then hide away from criticism of them. That wasn't the focus of it at all And it wasn't intrinsically designed to spike all of these different ways. They do it and then conclude on that Whatever People thinking he's too pushy with his personal opinions on movies Regardless of how they feel regardless of how mark feels regardless of how the world feels I feel like it was a terrible decision from a man who had a fan story to tell And no one could convince him of anything different because he had the final word on the script I'm incidentally going to we're dealing again with another clip where he's played it and we're supposed to interpret what he's trying to say I think that clip kind of relates it to the thing he was saying Provement good job. Well done. He's getting better my I thought that he was trying to imply that my criticism of ryan johnson is ironically able to be reflected upon me The idea that i'm claiming ryan johnson went ahead with his ideas despite How awful they were sort of and almost as if that's what I did with my videos I couldn't see how awful they were, you know, is that direction could be it? I would say that's probably what he's going. I think I would say there's definitely an argument for that being what he's going for but he doesn't really Yeah, so um, and if that's the case like jack you've Good for you, man. I'll reflect the argument on you too Wait so now he's he's reflecting he's saying that your arguments can be reflected on him While all of his reflect arguments No, he's saying that your arguments can be reflected back on you while all of his arguments can be reflected back on him Which means you can reflect that argument back on him, which is like three layers of irony inflexception, I think is the word you're looking for inflex You nailed it Different because he had the final word on the script I'm incidentally going to ignore the argument that I can't make these points because it's only part one of us Why not you've ignored literally every other every other fucking argument No, he's trying he's trying now to be fair fucking 46 minutes in I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. I realize now. I've not been fair whatsoever. So Maybe you know, I can change that. By the way, can I just say? I wouldn't be surprised if some of this stems from the fact that moller has a really great voice And this guy's just kind of whiny and doesn't know how to properly like rig a microphone That's a nitpick Jack if you need help with your microphone with like soundproofing And you know getting like a good mixer setup. Let me know because it just sounds like you're talking into a camcorder I think we can make some decided improvements Now get the fuck out of my face with that I've just replaced it. You're now hearing me through I don't know if that's how you pronounce it It's not the thing you drive on. It's a mic. I might hit you up on that later. It's the same mic sargon uses Frog frog said moller's voice speaks for itself I guess it does Because it's only part one of a series Moeller himself argues that doing so is like sending back the whole meal because you don't like the potatoes Uh, so okay, so we're gonna address the the thing on screen first Um, so so he's saying like most position is and you did this at the beginning if you don't look at the entire project You cannot criticize project Um, not a position. I've ever held. It's always been that you criticize you you've accounted for what is relevant Uh, which he's fucking adept at not doing it's almost like he's baited this e-fap because you just put that on here Like yeah, moller. I know you're gonna do an e-fap. So just keep that in mind. I've outplayed you I've predicted what you're gonna do it just comes off really defensive He's got clarification. So he's clarifying my position now when earlier in the video. He left it blatant So again, just mischaracterization. He's actually comfortable with it in this scenario Moeller is actually fine with critiquing part one as long as you've seen the whole thing Not just only some of it keep that in mind e-fap fans That's not even my position. You can critique part one if you've seen half of it It just depends on what you're doing exactly Um, so if you said like all of part one is terrible because of this thing in part one halfway through And then I'd be like, why does that make the entire thing terrible? It's like, I don't know. It's just it's really bad um Why do I and I'm just like, couldn't you reference a few more things and then it's like, well, I just I haven't seen all of it yet. So I don't know. There's probably bad things in there I should be like, that's that's not good enough man. Like what do you want to do with that? Um, I don't know man. I skipped the potatoes. What do you want? Yeah, and so he references an analogy and I'll have to give context again It's becoming the strongest pattern ever on e-fap for this particular video. Um So Someone complains that they watched 10 minutes of part one of my series on h barma guy And they said that they can determine the entire thing is awful And then I was like, that's retarded makes no sense. Good luck with that And then h barma guy stepped in and said, um, so if you begin tasting a meal and it's Terrible, you're not allowed to say I don't want to finish the meal And then I was like if you taste a potato And then you say excuse me chef everything you've cooked is terrible And then you'll be like you haven't even tried anything beyond the potato It's like you just wouldn't be valid and that's what's happening with these And so he's about to correct the uh, the analogy. So that's the context of it And this is his take on it Wolf argues that doing so is like sending back the whole meal because you don't like the potatoes And this is abs only in that looking at the way the cook serves up one portion is a good indicator of how they'll serve the rest Will I turn away the uh, so his counter would be that by tasting the potato You now realize how the cook may or may not have cooked the rest of the meal And you can make a judgment based on that and I would be like, yeah, but that would be an assumption Not anything substantive. You just said I assume by this that you do this Yeah, that's not enough If I was literally just talking about food say You could tell probably that the meal is going to be shit if they to Okay now, I don't understand what the hell you're saying No, that was satire. I I was only casting satirical reasons Yeah, when you ask and then when you ask, okay, what's wrong with the potatoes? I'd like to fix this and I was like, well, I don't I don't know who cares It's bad. It's not potato. That's why and you're like, but it's a literal potato. It's not potato Okay, thanks, man. I'm never coming back here Your view of this food is subjective moller. Oh, your potatoes are too long So that's a baguette Probably not. I like to give things chances. That's why aside from finishing the dark souls to critique I've made my way through most of what moeller has made Only skipping breakdowns here where I feel like This potato is moldy. Yeah, but can you explain why that makes the potato bad? Objectively It's objective. You just don't like molly. So the guy says, ah, well your name shall be han Solo you so he thinks the point I'm making when han solo gets provided his name So arbitrarily and clinkly is that uh, it's unnecessary exposition Like that's the only issue Uh, you could have unnecessary exposition for how han got his name and you what you do is you have his parents With holding him as a baby and then they go his name will be Han solo that makes complete sense. But man, that would be unnecessary. We just be like, okay We we get that that's not the only issue with this scene Did anyone here love how han got his name? I thought it was okay I So, uh, I realized that after hearing your comments that I'm probably gonna have a lower opinion What what are your uh, what are your what are your people? I don't have any people Oh Han solo it is What the fuck? Um, I don't think the exposition the problem is being unnecessary I think the exposition is is a poor attempt at giving him a name And it's silly enough to even have this scene in the first place Okay, your name is uh, han, uh, loner han individual It's not as catchy sure On nomades heard it right folks Han's name comes from some random officer deciding it sounded neat We didn't even need an origin scene for his fucking name Also, I find it amusing that you're an origin film But you couldn't be fucked to explain how han solo can speak wookie in the first place so, um The second comment is more addressing the fact that this is supposed to be where han started And he starts as a good pilot. He starts being able to speak wookie. He starts Being great with a pistol. It's like what the hell what is the point of this if you're just going to skip all the things that Make him individually special Like fine, I guess Um, but um, yeah, I just find it amusing that he can just speak wookie. It's like why though If if we'd never seen the ot and you watch solo you might be like, can he just speak Can everyone speak all alien languages is that a thing and then you watch the ot like no one else can speak wookie Yeah, and they don't even have to really exposit it. I mean while where he's working. There's maybe there's like wookies there I don't know. Yeah, that would be perfect pretty much just That's all that it has to maybe have a couple wookies passing by and then at that point we could just gleam Yeah, he must have learned how to communicate with these Yeah, like I wouldn't just have the one because we probably be like, oh, that's funny Like he says hey frank. I just wookie goes oof and we're like, oh, that's to serve that he could speak wookie Okay, what is it? I mean, that's still more consistent than what they did Yeah, uh, but yeah, so and jack has taken those two clips as me saying Unnecessary exposition is bad and no exposition is bad which aren't even conflicting statements no But he thinks they are and it's like desperate for contradictions at this point. It looks like He's he's like I have to tie this together somehow He's created a straw man and he was defeated by his own straw man in this case Like that's really embarrassing fucking name Also, I find it amusing that you're an origin film, but you couldn't be fucked to explain Now han solo can speak wookie. I guess he's defined them both as unnecessary Exposition but that wasn't my points in the clips he's showing so nice try In the first place was standing the whole like his counter-argument against the storm and he created his Inefficient lace having done so I'm remarkably unsurprised them all are still doesn't get why some people disagree with his methodology I will say the exact same thing back to him Again, what is your methodology that he's aware of? Long man bad long. Is that it? It's just yeah because his quantity is large Have you heard like in the time that you've been listening to this like he keeps coming back to it What is that's a fair question ask jack. What is more this methodology? And you'd be like well, it's a length nitpicking It's like that's not that's not what the methodology is this means you take your time and you explain things But he doesn't like the explanation because it's not It doesn't have any depth to it doesn't mean meaning to it. You're like, okay What which one which point Does not have that depth or meaning because the whole point of criticism is depth or meaning to find meaning in work so If you can't see it like what is he listening to? Place having done so I'm remarkably unsurprised them all are still doesn't get why some people disagree with his methodology in particular Trying to spot contradictions in other people speaking authoritatively about the objective quality. I think I did that though That's fucking phoenix, right music Possibly what is phoenix, right music when like sad shit is happening. That's the sad theme from phoenix, right one Well, he's trying to imply sad that mula can't tell how wrong he is I mean like hey good on you, man. I fucking love phoenix, right? But couldn't you play like the investigation theme? Or like the fucking courtroom theme like since you're going for kind of an objection turn about gotcha sort of moment like As a phoenix right fan i'm appalled by your choices here Yeah, you might as well just bring back the scary violin He should get shirtless as eric points out mula confuses a well-founded argument for an objective one You guys haven't explained what an objective argument is and what a well-founded argument is from your perspective though Well, uh, eric eric did at some point like you know understood, you know, what objective meant, but then You know fell on her face and just said That term really pissed me off. I'm like, what are you trying to do if you're not defining terms of giving proper examples? It's just They have these words in their minds and they expect us to understand their heads And they don't give proper explanations and they misconstrue mollusks points or don't even use them at all They make they don't even use them We'll use what we can make for you Yeah When his critics put out videos saying subjectivity is implied They're Well saying that the subjectivity of their views are implied as if we didn't address this In that podcast Jack why it's such a weird moment of just like Subjectivity is implied. We know this because subjectivity is implied It's like thanks, man You nailed it It's the circuit logic that's present in a lot of other things that don't really get far in terms of argumentation They still make room for disagreements where mollusk will dedicate hours every week to mocking those who disagree with him That's all I do right guys mock everyone who disagrees with me That's all your content is right. You just you're just a big mean boy Have we ever like correct me if i'm wrong, but we've never promoted a channel on e-fap We've never celebrated fan creations on e-fap. We've never covered someone and said they've made good points on e-fap We've never covered someone on e-fap and said their video as a whole was actually pretty good These things have never happened. Okay. Nope. Yeah, never. It's not really for the format Yeah, no, because what we do is mock people who disagree. That's it Also, it's impossible to learn from what you say I'm just gonna go with that as a statement I didn't buy overload based on uh, major lee's review. Nah, he's a poop face He is a poop face every week to mocking those who disagree with him and Front-loading his frankenstein monster of a critique overview. What is this if not picking a fight? It's different because he's virtuous. Okay. He's virtuous. Yeah. Yeah, he's right. I genuinely think his, um His argument for that would be it's different. I'm right Oh, yeah But he's accusing me of being that blind. That's the funny part It's like whether or not I am jacked. You're doing the same thing Bring back Eric. He was so lovely. Eric was lovely. This man's mean I way prefer Eric in this video than the wolf one because the wolf one felt much more like on the offensive Well, this one felt more like he was like, this is just how I feel about it. Okay He's kind of circling the wagon a bit for some reason it seems like Eric actually did watch these videos and then This guy digs like at all. I don't know what this guy did. Or he watched it once and just was like, oh, yeah It just took notes like I don't like that and I agree with that Yeah, and then just kind of took Eric's word for the rest of it. Well, you just referred to my work as a Frankenstein monster I'm just like, what do you think that means jack? Don't get it. What a Frankenstein monster of a critique overview picking fights with people But don't worry. This is only part. Didn't I say I'm open to discuss anything with any of them? And I didn't throw any insults in the tfa video. I just I presented contradictions. That was it Yeah, they're the one dictating terms to make this happen And then fucking digging their heels and on twitter for like nine hours or some shit at this point That's one of this six part 15 hour film review says that as if it's intrinsically bad Oh my god, it's what moller. Did you know that this is fucking long? Why is it long stop being long long man? Fuck you Long long bad. Jesus christ. Well, let's keep even draw from this. He thinks it's intrinsically bad It's self-evident that when you make long content. I don't like it. So stop you cunt He's given examples of other people who make good long only bad when moller makes long content It's because you're on a different political spectrum from him. I feel like that's where a lot of beef is coming from Is he thinks you're nazi? Oh Take this motherfucker down. He wouldn't be the first person who's made attempts at legitimate arguments at how I'm trying to hide My political perspective in these videos And you know when you accuse er of it, there's a discussion that a lot of people have but when you accuse me of it I'm like, can you even point Something in my videos that's political. They'll be like, it's just the fact that you you say logic trumps feelings Like uh, you're using facts and logic and benjapiro said it. Therefore, you're all right. Yeah. Oh Get cocked libtards What are stories but mystery boxes right? Oh, yeah, we're gonna tackle that but not for about 12 hours And again, so that line was put in in a redraft because I thought it would be really funny Yep I was like I think I explained this before but it was like I wouldn't have known it was 12 hours until I'd completed several Drafts because I can actually give an estimate on what the timing will be I put it in because I was like It's such a bizarre statement to hear right to be like, we're gonna return to this in 12 hours You'd be like what it's like. Well, that's how long this is legitimately How how do mallard? It's like you have no idea how long yours are gonna be because I'll just write out a long script My video right now is at 18 pages on like uh, why the new seasons of fully coolly the anime are really really bad And I have no it could be anywhere from like 25 minutes to like an hour and a half Like do you have any way of just my ratio is 5,000 words equals half an hour with the rate I speak Oh, okay. I'll the right to speak. Yeah I should have some sort of algorithm like that and you probably base it off password too. So it's like, yeah It's it's fairly accurate I currently only made one part of um about 10% of the way through the script and it's about half an hour long so far So it's gonna be fucking immense. I'm sorry for ripping you off molla. I made a long you will be long man bad Hmm. No, but what other people did is good Again, none of this gives any greater depth to molla's arguments. You haven't argued that He'll go on a tangent about the terminator films as an example of how law contradictions can lead to a franchise falling apart Ignoring the fact that the apparently contradictory terminator two is what most people prefered anyway What? I don't Citation fucking needed. What does so for clarification for anybody doesn't know, right? Uh big fan of the terminator series specifically one and two obviously, um You get Two introduces a lot of interesting ideas for how this is all going down because it was the idea of desperation And the first one the machine sent one robot back in time You're like, oh and the humans could only send one human back in time. You're just like, that's the rules Okay, fine. And the second one was like, uh, actually they could also send a robot and the good guys could also send a robot too And you're like, what? Okay That's strange and that's outside of the few other more more flaws Intimidated but then like that's just that it's like, okay. That's that's something then everything goes insane Intimidate a three four five, especially Genesis and now he's saying like you're ignoring the fact that this is something people like It's like I don't the whole point of my discussion is not about whether or not you like it It's providing contradictions and breaking the world which he actually said He was like more let's try and explain why the world inconsistencies or logical instances can can break the world building But he ignores the fact that some people can like it. I'm like that would be subjective. I'm not talking about that Yeah, and I don't think you're actually says that by the way Who says that they love the continuity breaks specifically That's the part of the terminator they love. I'd be like, okay I can almost guarantee a lot of people just completely glossed over it or didn't even really think about it at that point Nobody ever talks about that, you know Well, uh, when I watched this with glib for the first time I was like does this do you get the impression at this point in the video where he's just running on fumes? He's like he talks about terminator Says bad people like it though. She's wrong Just think about it if you just did a video that were like 10 minutes long just pointing out every flaw Would that make any difference this man's opinion? Oh, it's it's not at all He's really stuck in his way Like it does not matter what you say at this point We've already covered the fact that you've been critical of h-bomber guy and he apparently Is a lied so to speak with h-bomber guy like, you know He's listening to everything that you're saying and then on twitter He's just making an immense amount of bad faith arguments misrepresenting you and he doesn't think he's misrepresenting you But he just is cherry picking and nitpicking every single thing you say and responding to it In the just the most cynical way possible. I don't think there's a single way to change this man's mind This is another argument as well that you could literally make straight back at him Because it's like Oh, what's he's what's he saying for? Uh, he's saying that oh, yeah, well he points out problems in it He uh, well also in this same video trying to point out problems with wall's content And then that's really saying that the people who like it have confused it for good content So you you can do that, but other people can't so you mean yeah the He's saying that i'm accusing terminator being bad despite people liking it And it's like aren't you accusing my content of being bad despite people liking it? And he's like, yes, but they're fooled into it while the people who like terminator are just legit Oh Their opinions are wrong, but these people's opinions are He's just falling into his own trappings. Most people preferred anyway Ignoring the fact that the later entries had myriad aspects people disliked which had nothing to do with breaking canon Um, I didn't argue against that. I never said that the only thing people didn't like about terminator genesis was breaking canon So your point doesn't contradict anything I said Yeah, you didn't even really go that much into genesis because you were going to make a separate video anyway So yeah that movie is a fucking nightmare like I watched it too I I just saw it and I was like this doesn't look good as a Huge terminator one two fan It's like watching someone die in the cinema. They literally erased terminator one two three and four in that movie I'm excited to hear your uh thoughts on it. It'll be a fun video when I get around to it It's all just in the mix and each individual point is lost in this murk of Well, apparently you picked up a lot of the individual points Fucking air quotes Uses them a lot. Why do stormtroopers have laser versions of medieval weaponry available? I don't know how more will take Yeah, that's that's a thing. Yes. You fucking do. You're just being a bitch Oh, sorry, I didn't hear that bit troopers have laser versions of I genuinely don't believe that he Does know I genuinely believe that You keep cutting out. Why are you cutting out? Yeah, you should use a push to talk. I think maybe the uh sensor is it might be Maybe my microphone knows better Discord's been glitching out of my microphone lately as well. It's my face Yeah, do that or push to talk. I think you're just get up real close to it. Jay. Get up real close Oh, hello No, no make that point baby. Do it. Tell us your thoughts my friend I will fully believe that he actually didn't know how you're gonna take this I I believe that's something he didn't well one of the problems for me is that he thinks I haven't heard all this before Mm-hmm Um at one point he says something I think Eric says that more has heard this argument before So they're aware that I've heard some of this, but I don't know why jack thought that this was such a hot take on my content when so much of it relies on Not seeing my content It's just like inherently contradictory, but then again contradictions on a thing for these guys. I don't know It's entirely possible if I wanted to take the jack approach and just be really cynical. I could just say that he did this for views Uh, or maybe to you know quote-unquote as the term goes virtue signal to his friends that you have apparently blasphemed Apparently there is a view market in criticizing me or wolf or regs, which is Really sad if that's true because I think it's true At one point I wanted to make the argument against him on twitter like oh, yeah I mean why make your own positive videos praising stuff when you could just like Take down other people or other ideas and then I remember it I was like, oh fuck molly does that that argument does not hold water at all. I mean, yeah, I would argue it's that But it's you know the the the amendment I would make is that he's doing it dishonestly But obviously he would probably accuse me of the same thing It's just that his arguments wouldn't hold any water while mine would extremely dishonestly. Yes And it's it is it sounds so great when you say it out loud It's like well, what do you think the last seven hours was like this literally us Lining it all up for him. This couldn't be any more straightforward. He was like it was too long though. It's like, okay If your script was better, if that wouldn't need to exist There you go. This was a lesson for you jack I don't know how you take this video whether it might spark introspection as to whether he feels He's most effectively putting his points across with this increasingly bloated format Or if you'll double down insist. I'm trying to police him by offering my own perspective Like that implies doubling down like like I I just ignore him and just keep going. It's like if you don't really address anything of mine yet I can't double down because it's nothing He'll either agree with me and make positive changes to his content or he won't and he'll be a stubborn fuck He'll agree. I'm right on everything or he'll be an asshole. Okay. Yeah Okay, first of all jack when you say when you frame it like that that implies that Anything you said had validity to it or anything could be used to positively impact him all our script It did not it was just you taking little snips here and there. Yeah, and we're about to hit a rapid fire Uh hits against my character That is possibly the worst part of his video But we'll have to take it nice and slowly because I know that he thinks that he's just being honest But there's so much context to each of these that we'll happily go through Oh give me a sec By offering my own perspective Mueller has not had a great history with those he disagrees with Even going back to his early work picking fights with mark brown for criticizing dead space We got that one. Now. That's my vivisection on Guidance, which was a series. I was gonna do it was like the topic that spans across video games or movies or media or whatever Um, I have a lot of issues with mark brown channel in general. I just think that he finds a way to say nothing in 10 minutes Usually a buddy got a bunch of things wrong with the games he was referencing And his ideas on how to build a tutorial for me were just they were way too simplistic And they don't apply to what all games would encompass It's like a it's like a guide on game tutorials and I was like this doesn't apply to all games even slightly Um, oh molly, you were picking a fight with him. Just stop doubling down, dude Jesus christ. Disagreeing with somebody is picking a fight. Therefore jack is picking a fight. Therefore his criticism of me here Is just hypocritical even if it's true So it's just like whatever jack moving on to the next claim He's called opposing critics massive faggots. So, um In my soma series I'm disagreeing dramatically with joseph anderson And um, I start ending our counter arguments with insults because I thought it was funny back then I didn't realize so many people would take it so seriously as as like a definitive character judgment on me as um potential homophobe or just An asshole. Um, so I dropped insults and you can see that rags and wolves still keep them because as far as they're concerned It's just ridiculous to take it the way that these people do And I'll defend their right to use them But I deliberately don't to try and avoid giving them bullets But as you've seen they immediately use them the second they get it It doesn't matter what the context is in in in context of the video you were basically calling him like an annoying You were just In context it was funny. You were just jabbing him like I'll grow up. That's how it came off And so, um, I mean this is this is just gonna follow me forever But it's fine with me because I absolutely stand for this like you could call it a policy I guess or a political belief or a value I have but um It doesn't matter what the insult is it matters the context it was delivered. Um, and so yeah, I call him a massive faggot Which by the way There is no context I've ever heard someone seriously referred to somebody as a derogatory manner to be like an aggressive homophobe You're a massive faggot that to me just like it's just like you kidding me It's called having a sense of humor on the internet, which is already very edgy insincere like that's that's the point And so next up from that then um, I also referred to Joseph Anderson as a cabbage soon after or before that And I show a picture of a cabbage on screen because it's just so dumb as an insult But it's kind of funny because of how dumb it is And so turbo button spoke to me about this specifically He considers Joseph Anderson a close friend and he said he didn't appreciate me using a homophobic slayer against his friend And I went over this conversation extensively with him and the conclusion was He agrees that I have a principle At how insults function and how you should offer somebody the benefit of the doubt in understanding their intention With the word they used and he said he disagrees with it and as far as he's concerned It's more based on how it makes someone feel And I said to him that that is exactly why I said to Joseph I'm apologizing for that making you feel the way it did But I don't apologize for the action because the action is absolutely justified in Essentially what my worldview is which is I can call you an idiot. I can call you an asshole The second I call you a word you don't like I've crossed a line that was imaginary for me But it was something for you and so you can't have a consistent principle on that and one of the examples I gave turbo button was If the will decided tomorrow that the word toilet is offensive Everybody you know and love Gives you an awful look and goes silent whenever you say the word toilet. How long does it take before you stop using that word? legitimate question I'm curious what you guys think as soon as I've realized that they're not joking It's not all some elaborate prank And so you realize that it's just based entirely on how offensive someone takes it and since that differs from person to person I'm not interested in that as a principle is retarded. So I'm going to go with Intention I think it's much stronger as a principle and it'll define What a person Is intending to do and so when I said Joseph, you're a massive faggot um He hasn't seen the video the context and he tweeted at me saying someone once told me you called me a massive faggot So I'm good. I'm not going to speak to you I was just like It would have been interesting if he just came into your your um podcast and just said So is that true? Just like ask you himself and said was good. Well, I was told this so that's how a lot of people like These days seem to think it's like well, I was told you're a racist. So sorry. I don't want to be associated with that Don't got a look any further than that. Yeah. Well, that's that's good enough for me I'm an adult And yeah, and um, and so I I said I'm sorry that it made you feel that way and Joseph came back Anson came back with I'm glad you have apologized for those actions because they're like inappropriate I was like, no, no, I don't apologize for the actions I'm apologizing for how you feel and so Joseph innocence likes you're not actually apologizing at all and that's the same position turbo button took And um, I explained it to turbo button with a simple analogy and and he took it well I can't say for definite if he still maintains that it's a valid analogy, but we'll see I'm pretty sure he accepted it. So the idea is um Health insurance person a big big old fat dude at 60 comes in. He's like, I need it I need health insurance because I got surgery for thinking that they're like, I'm sorry. So you're like, you know You breach all of our Requirements to take on health insurance Your insurance would be through the roof if you actually want to buy it and even if That would the case, but we're not going to allow it. We're going to deny you Then he's like, I'm literally going to die. I can't afford the surgery if you do this and then they will say I'm sorry, but you know I have to this is going to have to be done. And so they don't regret the action They're sorry for how the person feels as a result the circumstances. Yeah, and once I said that to turbo He was like, okay. I I get it and it's like, yeah And he's like, I don't agree with it in that context and he said because the word Bagot changes the context as far as I'm concerned. I'm just like that's arbitrary I could I could just say that back to you with any word that I decide is offensive So, you know, it's just there's this sort of trend I'm noticing like I've had I've had conversations with people in the past where the topic will be the n word and I'll I'll talk about like, you know Or you know, we'll all be talking about like the origins of it or how it came to be that but then there's just people there In that conversation that here you say that word and it just immediately triggers something in them and they're just like You're not supposed to say that and it just immediately I feel like that's what faggot has become It doesn't matter what context you use it in as long as they hear it. You're a bad person There's a bit of a push back and forth with it, right? Because one of the intrinsic arguments for it is that um It's offensive to gay people, but then when you get large amounts of gay people saying it's not It's like fuck. They're ruining our argument I gotta I got a number of gay friends who say the word faggot like they don't care They say it's a funny word. The awkward thing is that Wolfen rags use it way more than I do on this podcast and they're both bisexual so I was I was on that podcast with um, your movie sucks where we talked about the the death note movie And he and I were both just saying faggot and like I kind of had the faggot card because he's gay He didn't really mind Like a turbo button at one point said something like, um You know, it's offensive to the group and then I said you can't speak for the whole group And then he said you can't speak for the whole group either and I'm like that's true So we're at an impasse You can't say that it's definitively offensive. I'm gonna go ahead and keep saying it and you can you have the right to be offended And me not to care and yeah, so that's that's all of that and that's my take on it It takes a long time to go through these things. These are complicated But when you make shitty short videos judging somebody immediately, this this is what the take you're gonna get with it Picking fights with mark brown for criticizing dead space He's called opposing critics massive fagots then taken back his apology when it doesn't come with full forgiveness So his take on it is that I took back my apology because joseph anison didn't give me full forgiveness It's an interesting narrative. I'm not sure how he generated it though Yeah, I don't know how he generated most of this um Even eric has had a full hour of a live stream dedicated to mocking his physical appearance and Calling him an autistic retard for disagreeing with one of his friends. So Right, so one I'm sorry Like this is this is what I mean. It's like, oh my god, man autistic retard. It's such a dumb fine You find an offensive fine. So number one, uh, the I think it's an hour and 10 minutes We we look into why he hides likes because it's something a lot of people are gonna be curious about when looking into his video on wolf And so this is his argument. We we responded to the argument We exposed a lot of contradictions in the argument and there were several comments about his appearance. Absolutely the Narrative here is that we spent one hour marking his appearance and we laughed as we called him an autistic retard um Someone I talked to said they decided to check this out after seeing this in the video And they couldn't find the direct quote from rags or wolf and not me Uh calling him an autistic retard and I was like really And it was funny because wolf was already prepared to defend the fact that he'd used that word as as he already had in the Previous part and then he was like, I might not have said it And it's just yeah, um It's uh, it's a playground insult. It's silly. It's just added for flavor usually for entertainment Or because I don't know you're in the heat of the thing It's it's um something that can be pulled back and yeah, we can apologize if you're offended But we would advise that you really shouldn't because it's really not that relevant um But the way that this is running right now these are all strikes against my character like one after the other I pick fights because I can't understand criticism I um, I encourage the berating and mocking of someone solely for their appearance for hours on end while referring to them as autistic retards I Only apologize to people if they're going to give me what I want, but if they don't I pull them back I hate this part of the video It's very disingenuous And he's not even giving examples of like the name calling that he mentioned at least he hasn't yet And like I told you how long does it take for me to explain the scenarios for each of these and how completely fucking different They are from his little passive aggressive conclusions Yeah No, it's cool. I was just going to say really briefly Uh for someone to take that and say his chats Called him this and they were doing that first of all You should never take twitch or youtube chat seriously on streams because There's something called kind of like the bystander effect it doesn't really like tightly apply to this but Generally what it means is when you're surrounded by numbers you kind of feel anonymous And that's kind of why everyone gets so ridiculous is because if you make a well argued reasonable point in a stream chat It's going to be drowned out by everyone going oh long man bad Like it's just the nature of the internet being so ridiculous and hyperbolic and energetic People and I think um, I think I was watching a video by the amazing atheist or something Like a really old video recently where he basically talked about yeah people in my comment section Say all these offensive things because they know you're going to see it and get really upset about it And that's funny to them like they're trolling you if you really think all the people who are saying this Shit a hundred percent stand by it then you're really naive like a lot of it's just for gags Yeah, like the fine line between going too far quote-unquote and going far enough that you're shocking and funny Yeah, a lot of people are just trying to get a list of a funny reaction online It's nothing to take personal umbrage with like I get Plenty of shit all the time I people calling me a racist and a pedophile and all this other stuff just because other people have said it enough And I just you know you have to ignore it because if you Say hey guys look at all these mean bigots online. They're being really mean to me You're just gonna make it worse because they're going oh cool. I got a reaction. I got them Got them just what I wanted just to fucking just ignore them They will go away and they're such a small number too like why do you care all the people on twitter that hate me have like two followers It's like okay, I can I can sleep just fine Here's the thing I wouldn't I'd say that he's wrong to find Can that's loud I'm not a huge fan of like people useless. I'm like Although my opinions generally go as strong as I kind of wish you wouldn't do that Like that that's as far as I'll take it Yeah, I mean for the record. I'm people don't like them I'm against people taking potshots at you know, eric's uh sexuality or appearance or whatever I think they they seem pretty lovely aside from some of the misinformed points they made but You know, it's it's just People like they're gonna be people in the real world Who think these things and they're really nice to your face and then they get online where it's anonymous And then they get to joke around because they know that's like a taboo subject. They can't touch normally So not all of it is necessarily full of hate and vitriol. It's just because it's like I can say it no one can stop me Yeah, and uh, they're they're always It's all very subjective in that if Jay was like, can you not use the word Peanuts around me if he's friendly enough with me. I'll just be like sure man Like I don't need to use it. So I'll avoid using it Um, but if you tell me I cannot use the word peanuts because it is wrong I'll be like you're gonna have to argue that one Yeah, you're gonna have to tell me why and if you can't then You're gonna have a problem. So like again, I got used the word peanuts in front of him And he says like that's really hurt me because of some life experience I'd be like, I'm sorry that hurt you and then you'd be like, so you you regret using the word peanuts now I'd be like I mean It's Specifically not necessarily like because it was useful to describe the thing I was holding But I mean I understand that it made you feel a certain way. So I'm apologizing for that Peanuts are violence, man Um, but yes, let's continue Six massive faggots then taking back his apology when it doesn't come with full forgiveness Even eric has had a full hour of a Oh, and so after this as well, he says for its worth. Molo was the least toxic in this conversation merely reading out abusive messages from chat and laughing as his friends mocked eric's appearance sexuality and mentality maybe mental mental state, yeah Um, so again about the whole principle thing I would deliver them myself because I consider them funny and I would expect them in kind But I know that people use them as bullets. I cannot control Laughter And you'd be like, wait, so you find it funny to insult people's appearances and be like, well, if the joke is good typically Yeah, I find it shocking. Yeah If we're being honest and like I've laughed at my people making jokes about me like I Make jokes about white people straight people things that I'm in some jokes are just funny because they're so audacious And you don't expect people to say it out loud and you say it out loud You're like, holy shit like the whole lucy k-bit about like the parkland shooting was Undeniably shocking and terrible and like clearly from a place of ignorance and just like so Incompletely spoken and that's why it was funny because you can either laugh at like, uh, ha ha Yeah, fuck those parkland kids or you can go. Oh my god. Did he really just say that he's gonna get so much shit Like there's shock to it Humor is very multifaceted. It's not you don't just laugh if you endorse something You can laugh for a lot of different reasons Or you endorse wolf and rags making those comments and I'd be like, well, my moral code would say that they They've responded kindly compared to what's been done to them Same for me as far as I'm concerned with this stream the amount of shit that's been said about me and I'm just like You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're inconsistent and you're an asshole and I said, fuck you I think that's probably my biggest collection of insults and you could be like that's Worse than me taking you out of context and selling you to be something You're not I'd be like it's not really but I mean we can have that conversation if you want live stream dedicated to mocking his physical appearance and Like we said a live stream dedicated to like as if we we really were like, okay guys We're gonna make a stream where we only say he's ugly over and over again Hey guys in chat everyone. Let's bully this eric guy like yeah, that's totally what the stream was called If anybody is watching this video and constantly thinking like what liars All these people are an efeb go and watch the stream recovery Eric taxon and have a little timer and start it and stop it every time we make insults and then look at the timer at the end See how much you believe it or not a bunch of bigots. We're just really open and honest with the things Okay, well, I don't speak for you Okay, you just see him that about me. Wow. I actually don't like minorities and they're all subhuman Take that sound for disagreeing with one of his friends. So Who knows More than likely he'll shrug this off because I didn't provide the full context of his work as he did with eric's last Desperately, so we provided all the context necessary for eric's arguments And you've not provided like even a sliver of context for what my arguments are And calling out that that's gonna be my conclusion does not invalidate my conclusion jack He's gonna be upset because I took him straight out of context and that's so dumb of him It's like hey police you're gonna arrest me just because I killed that guy, aren't you and then they're like Yes, actually Gotcha there. Wow figures. I put the cuffs away. They're like you got me. Fuck Mulla if uh, if I say to you one plus one equals three, you're probably gonna say it's actually two Which means you're wrong But it's four Oh, shit. Yeah, that sounds exactly No by that logic as long as I've made a criticism of jack that wasn't the one you predicted that means it's valid That's how this works, right? There was a second there where I just thought hang on fucking is it? How many ones are in four two that's how that's how exhausted I've been by this stream Really trying to ignore that the first hour of his new video is a highlight reel of the exact tactics He calls disingenuous in others. Yeah, I do call them disingenuous This video is a testament to that being valid as a criticism, I think Up to and including attacking people's content without playing one piece of audio from said content I'm not sure who he's referring to there Yeah, I thought the first time audio was a twitter stuff that he was it I don't play audio from joseph anderson, but I do show comments from joseph anderson Plus you've already covered all of this stuff at length Any fap so I mean you could argue that's not efficient enough to justify it But I mean it's a it's not intrinsically a wrong thing to do anyway, but I don't even think that's accurate Promise you did play audio though. I don't I don't really know we're going with that one jack But I can say that throughout the whole video again. So whatever. Maybe I'm wrong Maybe I guess my aim is more on those who might be led to look at the popularity of mollusk content and say, huh Well, I guess that means I don't even need to consider how I'm discussing a work I can just vomit out my 20 hour long space jam review and then be shot to the Dude go for it. If someone out there wants to make a 20 hour review of space jam Just fucking redraft a couple times try and avoid repetition focus on what you're actually gunning for in terms of the details You can go for it make videos on what you're passionate about it doesn't matter how long they are Just get out what you want to get out But redraft to try and focus down and rip things out Don't listen to people like this Who tell you that like no one can make a video longer than two hours without becoming aimless His evidence for it is all whole shit Like yeah, just don't let him limit you He's the villain in this story My guess is that if anyone has made it this far in the stream, they're all That's true Although if someone is listening and they disagree with us and have disagreed with us this whole time You're despite Leave a comment below Yeah, actually by the end of the part two parts. I want someone to comment if they survive both streams Super quick super quick interjections. Someone in chat named oof oof said lal jay is actually funny this stream They get depressed jaja picture i'm thinking of Discover people often miss large swathes of what i'm saying when i'm told i'm contradicting myself when critics misunderstand what i'm getting at I am what even sorry. What was that? in reference to Do that again How i'm discussing a work I can just vomit out my 20 hour long space jam review and then be shocked to discover people Often miss large swathes of what i'm saying when i'm told i'm okay jack The i the fact that people don't like my work does not automatically mean that my work is bad It's like inevitable The fact that i'm making my work to try and oppose these status quo shorter videos that are Made stylish to try and convince you that they've said something when they've said fucking nothing Um means intrinsically that my content is going to be disliked by the people who like that content so like The fact that someone dislikes the thing you made does not make it automatically that the creator doesn't recognize flaws in it There's more to it than that yeah I guess that means i don't even need to consider how i'm discussing a work I can just vomit out my 20 hour long space jam review and then be shocked to discover people Often miss large swathes of what i'm saying when i'm told i'm contradicting myself when critics misunderstand what i'm getting at I implore you to reconsider This isn't a demand you can do as you wish but a few people engage with material in this way And it isn't just because they haven't thought about it. I don't serve Yeah, I wouldn't accuse that everybody who dislikes my work hasn't thought about it I would accuse you of that you've not only not thought about it, but you've like Yeah, it's it's like he uh, he said oh my goodness this video abolished way too long I'm not only cherry pick the things I like i'm gonna misconstru them Because I don't have a time and energy to go through every single comment or fact that he came up with And then when I attack his methodology, whatever the heck that is It make them on top of that At the end he's going to imply that all you do is vomit out So sorry vomit out long content. Like you don't really put a lot of time and meticulous thought into your work Yeah, it's just it's inherently insulting not here when he said I phoned it in Yeah, seven redress is like vomiting Yeah, well, that's a count for them Does it count if I vomit swallow it vomit back up swallow it vomit it back up swallow it seven times would that still be vomit though? Yeah, he's right. Ultimately jack is right By the way, yeah, by the way jack you are gonna miss something if you keep skipping which you keep telling people to do I mean, yeah, they both encouraged people to just skip parts of my videos. Those are like, thanks, man Yeah, your pizza the size at least they've recommended my videos in that way To the dinner table and then insult you for not appreciating. Oh, sorry. This is such a wonderful analogy that makes no fucking sense at all Why i'm getting at it. I implore you to reconsider This isn't a demand you can do as you wish But few people engage with material in this way and it isn't just because they haven't thought about it So his argument there is like Few people engage with media this way and it's not because they haven't thought about it and i'm just sitting there like that's fine What does that have to do with anything? Like the fact I can understand the sheer length of the video analogy time Yeah, he's gonna do that now But um, I can understand that people being like the sheer length of your video is why I won't watch it I could believe that there could be stuff that's good in there, but i'm not doing it and I'd be like, okay That's fine. I don't need to to understand further than that Anyway, but if someone watches it like you jack and like there's so many issues with this and you present it in this video And i'm like this isn't even me you're responding to To reconsider This isn't a demand you can do as you wish But few people engage with material in this way and it isn't just because they haven't thought about it I don't serve you pizza the size of a dinner table and then insult you for not appreciating the 19th slice Did I order the pizza in this analogy? Did I order a table sized pizza? The idea that i'm forcing videos on people and then complaining where they don't finish them I don't if if you're if your videos are food then I just have a couple slices and put it in the fridge for later Because they're better though. You don't eat it all in one fucking sitting Exactly in many instances you have said you can come back to it. There are plate. There are timestamps so you can watch it in chunks What an awful analogy And I don't throw out the benefits of clarity and concision in making a point Yes, you do jack does every video need to be 10 minutes long Absolutely not and that's why I front-loaded this video with creators who do produce insightful long content That I highly recommend checking out Honestly, it's up to you and maybe you'll be the first person to do a day-long review of a fantasy family film Without sacrificing the depth or clarity of your arguments So this is the thing he thinks no one is capable of it So at least I would at least we have that like it's possible He's like he's saying that I could be the first one to do it But the fact he said no one can do it. It's like okay He seems to really speak for a lot of people like uh, you know about people that don't like terminator one as much as two And apparently like few people he mentioned his arguments are bulletproof It's just like citation needed fucking plastered all over this video To see family film without sacrificing the depth or clarity of your arguments I don't believe mauler and those who emulate him do I think instead what we're seeing is a group of people that just generally agree about movies I wish rags and wolf was still here me and those two disagree on a lot of Takes on movies and we have to talk it out and figure out what we consider to be inconsistent what things we're disliking or liking Um, do you forget about the Thor Ragnarok thing? Yeah, me and wolf really disagree on Thor Ragnarok Wolf said the interstellar was one of his favorite films and when I told him it's one of my most hated films We had a big conversation about it. He watched it again. He said his mind is very much changed on the subject Uh, this is the process that I think is really valuable valuable about media Where you sort of watch it with the old brain turned off sort of thing and then you come away like, yeah, that's kind of fun And someone goes, you know, I thought it was awful And then it's your choice to engage in that conversation and you can be like, I really don't care to argue I wasn't really passionate about it. I have said this I said this to yms when I had a conversation with them There was a movie that I don't like that he does And he was like tell me what you don't like about it And I was like, honestly, I need to watch it again. I'm not too passionate about it. So I can't really give you any like strong arguments, so I'd rather just Tell you that I don't like it and that um It's uh, I can't remember why it's specifically until I watch it again And that's absolutely fine. But if I was passionate with political discussions people ask me something about what do you think of the Benghazi thing or whatever and I'll just go, uh, yeah, I don't really know I'll have to look more into it I'll have to look more into it because I don't know off this stuff off the top of my head And that's like a fairer thing to say it just means you're reasonable and you don't want to talk out of your ass And what happens hopefully is that uh, I come home from the cinema and I go, oh my god The movie gloompas was really good. And then wolf is like, what about the part where the protagonist gloompas, uh tries to shoot somebody and the bullet goes right through them And they just go, oh it didn't work and it's because he had a wallet in his pocket Like how would that stop a bullet and I go that doesn't matter because it didn't bother me Wolf would be like, what the hell I mean, it doesn't bother you and I'm like, it doesn't bother me like that doesn't happen Because we've agreed on standards Well, I guess I guess I'd need to go into more depth than that Um, we understand the standards Um, maybe we don't agree on every one of them and that's the part where discussion comes in But it's just like we hold each other accountable to these things We don't let each other get away with fallacious arguments. It's part of what I think makes the conversations much more, um I don't know fruitful than jack and understand of them And I know that's a pretty cruel statement, but I mean, I'm pretty sure I've got the room to say some things about him Just one or two things, right? Yeah, it's all of them. It's on your on your uh willing suspension of disbelief again And in the case of the last Jedi are the people who like these kinds of videos or We praise the show. Yeah, their brains are pretty much turned off. They're enjoying the popcorn and they're liking the Special effects and the music and that's about it. There's it's great. It's a great time Great show. We enjoyed it. Everyone had a good time. It's lots of exciting things blowing up That sort of experience is what they're going for. So We actually say hey, what what was this uh light speed ramming thing? What the hell? Why didn't they do that before? I mean, it doesn't bother me Well, it doesn't bother me Oh, but I do want to clarify the film is great, but that part doesn't bother me though So I can't really quickly. Sorry. Can I pull chat really quickly smud boy here with the, uh Uh Fuckin what's I forget what the name of the main character commander shepherd. Jesus christ Uh smud boy here with a commander shepherd avatar. Doesn't he have such a great voice? Can you just listen to that shipper? Little bit during yeah during the break it's like oh we're already subscribed to his channel Go check out his video. He responded. He responded to patrick williams You're gonna uh, you're gonna go see glupus together and have the uh bottom cut out of your popcorn bowl Oh you spent 10 hours with this ginger taking our souls, please stop Get an 100 yes rating from chat. So there you go I think we're actually very close to the end because he has the patreon outro, I think Have the same nitpicks and fruit enough circle jerking have essentially decided. Yeah, we don't discuss stuff We just circle jerk and I would actually agree that there is circle jerking But there isn't a friendship group that doesn't have circle jerking. I don't think it's possible Yeah That they are interpreting that completely literally. Yes your club where only they know what makes things objectively Plenty of people know jack plenty of people i've never met before like wolf did before I met him Fuck off good or bad. Who can ignore the fundamental flimsy subjectivity of the documentation We don't ignore subjectivity. We use it in our videos. It's very important to us what media means to us We just like separated out when we talk about what's actually there and what's provable This is what we felt about the things that were there How many times I've explained this because Well, they agree with each other and that gives them the right to push their evaluation of a work as a notch above the rest For example, wolf was talking about the gray earlier Um subjectively that movie is through the roof for him because he associates with a lot of what the messages are in that film I would probably agree with him I'll probably agree with him on the objective level But subjectivity for me is going to be so much lower than his and I should be like Yeah, it doesn't surprise me though because I I don't connect to it the way he does while I will connect with something that he won't And that's called being humans, I guess Yeah, it's it's kind of it kind of reminds me of that. Uh, what's that game? Um night in the woods, um A lot of people agree that it's really good But like a lot of them say that it's a great game because they identify with the characters more than others And so other people who don't identify with the characters have had less a good time with that one So it's that one's, you know difficult to measure because you do have to feel like you identify with the characters Which a lot of people don't in that regard. So So in fact seek out those who disagree with that to so he shows eric tack someone He says we seek out people to disagree with eric made a video on wolf first We were responding to it I don't think that's valid either, but Like don't you guys think it's pretty amazing how many of his statements are invalid? Like I'm impressed You'd think there'd be a ratio of like for every three bad ones. There's one good one It's like no, it's pretty much all of them I'm I'm just depressed. He keeps doubling down on like look look at this Remember that stream I told you about where moller and his friends like dedicated the entire stream allegedly To harassing eric just a reminder that moller's a bad person Here's the stream again if you didn't catch that moller's bad by the way, like it just it's so juvenile Yes, I keep falling back on that of a work as a notch above the rest to in fact seek out those who disagree with that to Act like basic middle school bullies because they've decided they're right The length of the critique doesn't wind up deepening any understanding of the text Okay, only to obfuscate the lack there are sure But hey So that's his theory. I make my videos long to try and hide the fact that I have nothing to say about the thing It sounds like he's being uh, he's really disincentivizing people to make long videos and prove Prove you they can do better than you How stupid does he think I ab if that is what he truly thinks like I'm like Man, I have nothing to say about this film. Well, I'm just gonna make my video the bullshit that long I mean, that's that's I know it does It's like I want to make my videos so many hours long that people won't even notice. I'm not saying anything It's like if you're a friend you give up that you be like, what is this plan? This is retarded We can all agree that this long critique is not a deep critique in the slightest. Yes That's just my opinion and you're free to agree or disagree We knew that already, but thank you for the permission dad in the comments below Pick more fitting music. Fuck you We didn't go sad. That's the end of this video. It's been done We gradually did this point That would be what is that seven? I think it was seven hours 20 minutes plus nearly two hours That was awful Try harder jack you can fucking not like moller and fairly represent his points. It is not hard Yeah, don't skip next time I'm gonna stream before where after I feel like I'm definitely gonna need to have a lie down Yeah, I know I'm probably gonna go straight to sleep. I'm actually hungry, but I'm just ignoring it I'm gonna have nightmares about jack sub tweeting me on twitter There's still some some stuff. We've got to get done. So let's move right on into the this is the I've sent Click that link everybody in the thing and then uh, it'll show what I'm showing on screen So, um, well, I don't know why we won't just take it in turns. I suppose if you'd like so, um, if uh, Jay, do you want to read the first one? This is um I mean you guys you guys take it. I'm horrible at reading. Okay, uh Should we just call it between? I'm a boy. I'm a voice actor. I was gonna say we we can all do it But I want to give everybody one. So we'll start we'll go from the left to the right and uh, keep going like that So that's bullshit. You want to go first? This is jack's Qualification for why he was judging my rages with the standards. I commit to in the critiques Certainly the unbridled videos are identical in their argumentation to the real critiques one second. Let me uh, let me scoot this Still over to the other window here. All right It is literally on record numerous times that moller has tried to be as objective as possible With the unbridled videos, which are very clearly are not and he should probably stop saying that if that is not the case I continue to be shocked that fans of moller are now arguing Actually the series that makes up the overwhelming majority of moller's output is supposed to be tedious summary filled with mistakes and poorly argued points so, um entertainment value being Lola's fucking super moving on to the next thing like he takes them and he's like that's not objective and I'd be like you're right So what are we talking about and he's like, well you You said you try to be as objective as possible and there's like with the objective points. Sure I could already see the air quotes and him fluttering away with So yeah, the fucking takes off like a propeller What he didn't what he didn't grasp from my comment about tried to be objective as possible is that that applies to when I'm being Objective versus subjective. It's it's just I know it's confusing, but it's like I don't need to When I say I couldn't see what was going on in the beginning of black panther I don't need to explain that to you in any further element like So it was dark and I couldn't make out where black panther was standing and what he was doing versus Where everyone else was and I couldn't tell who was winning the fight or losing And then you'd be like, yeah, but you can if you was like, I'm telling you I couldn't for fuck's sake So, um, yeah, uh, it's pretty much an admittance that he just conflates the two and All he ran on was a small quote from a stream that I had with wolf where I was just talking about how Better to be as objective as possible and making objective statements Simple as that and even if you'd be like you didn't say that explicitly. I'd be like, okay. Well, that's what I meant So does that clear this up and then he's like And then And then we said it's supposed to be filled with tedious summary and mistakes and poorly argued points It's like, no, they're saying it's supposed to have An entertainment value points as in I rage out and I say this is dumb and I do all these things It's it's entertaining because it's supposed to appeal to how you Guys may have felt watching certain movies like terminator genesis a lot of people very fucking unhappy without movie And they would have rented to their friends and so when they watch me do a video like that they can empathize That is what they are for the critiques. I am very calm I'm trying to provide all of the evidence It's they're totally different But if you ignore that you should be able to find more arguments of inconsistency. So congratulations jack. I see why you did it And jay, are you gonna say something? Oh, yeah, I was but I've completely forgotten it now Well, it's 6 a.m. Almost. That's true. Um Uh, so boy, do you want to tackle the next comment? This is from the comment section now So this is what people are how people feel about jack's video on on me Oh, sure. Okay The effects will age the shoots will age Every choice will age writing and storytelling is timeless Talk about no appreciation for film like holy shit Symmetography is a big part of making a film like it's a visual art To throw that out and say that it's not very important is really head scratching to me Also effects take a lot of work to pull off. It's to help immerse the audience into a film story in world um So this is in context where i'm saying that uh Writing these things don't matter to writing when i'm judging writing and they've extrapolated that I think that um I have no appreciation for visuals or cinematography even though I have a whole section addressing Uh errors in editing and I talk about how the film's got really great shots and there's a lot of things I like about it so Unfortunately, you don't get that impression when watching jack's video because he's obviously not going to address those things Yeah, because he only quoted you saying like, you know Graphics and stuff don't matter in the grand scheme of things and he took away from that that you know Effects don't matter at all and which is not what you said That's what he seemed to gleam from it Oh, that's good and we've got memes. Oh, yeah Oh man I'm gonna like and retweet that uh It's so funny how instead of showing up on the podcast. He just spent the entirety of the of he just spent the entirety of it just Taking shots. It's like dude. We could have had a really great conversation He could have clarified his points You could have maybe moller if there were actual points somewhere in that mess for you to take from it and like learn from He could have taught that to you but instead he's just being a bitch Yeah, it's like I would have loved to hear you guys talk and hopefully you still do even if it's one on one I'd love that Snapping because maybe maybe he'd have interesting shit to say But he's just took long man bad. He's like I win. I'm right Uh chase do you want to read the next one? Uh me? Yeah, it's your next in line. I'm afraid Oh, sure. You didn't post in chat though. Did you? Yes, everyone has this up. Do they not? Let's say a little imager file Uh the wow okay one or yep. Yep Wow, okay. I absolutely kind of had my brain break when hearing this moller guy say that nothing but the writing matters It's a visual storytelling format. The premiere visual. Oh, you fucked it up for a second The premiere visual storytelling format not a single element of the acting the set design the lighting the prop work The camera work visual effects sound effects musical score and editing matter Holy shit, that's a nuclear take. How can someone be so reductive about so many aspects of cinema and claim to be just that and claim to Just be the deepest thing out there I think I got the emotion right you skip third line, but uh, yeah, you skip the line Oh, yeah, but the thing of it at least it was a new sentence Yeah, the thing of it is though. It's the same point that the the guy in number two made. It's frustrating Oh, um, it's an important line though Also the idea that while all of those may age writing doesn't there's nothing about the style or manner of delivery movies that hasn't changed and aged ever So that would be the delivery. That's not the story The delivery of the story. So if you have like a guy going, hello there, jane We are going out for shopping. You'll be like, oof. That's That's some bad acting Yeah, that was acting for its time You know, I think you so uh the story itself if writing has aged the arguments usually come in with like are they using words that aren't accepted anymore? It's like, okay, but that wouldn't change the quality of the story And you'd be like, okay, what about when they talk about things you wouldn't be aware of now? Like they refer to a piece of technology that's been out of date for 300 years I'd be like again that doesn't take away from the story Because it would then be a period piece. I suppose you could argue It was like we don't say this about movies that are based on medieval times They don't work because we don't know what these things are anymore. It's like that's ridiculous. So A strong story doesn't age Like that's the same like try and uh attack that in any way you want It's um, I would be open to it, but I'm pretty sure that's just definitive at this point Because any reasons you come up with a story aging are usually not because it's the story's fault It's usually something else like how language changes or how time changes or how someone acted the line badly It's like that's not the story's fault Yeah Um, and yeah the uh the whole Nothing but writing matters like I never said that but thank you jack for These people think I did um, so the next one is if internal consistency is the pinnacle of storytelling Telling a great story is the easiest thing in the world One day Willi used the last two slices of bread to make a sandwich The next day he went to the store to buy bread because he had previously used up the last two slices There I achieved greatness So um, yeah that this story is relatively consistent from what's in it Um, but being being objectively consistent, uh I don't know why you think that I think that means you've achieved greatness I don't know where you're coming from with this and um Let's just say the stories go There's a lot of ways to break that down that would show its flaws beyond whether or not it's consistent about how much Bread you have in those two sentences Yeah, it's just ridicule and the thing of it is so like it's not greatness every single time consistency is made It's just it's nice when so much consistency is made over a long duration And it's like we we should come to expect that And the fact that it doesn't happen as often we see a lot of ins we see a lot of inconsistencies To keep the plot moving So often that it's just kind of it's nice. It's just really nice when lots of consistency happens And that means we're moving on to the next one. So back to you Hold on. Hold on really quickly. Um, I've been starving for about three hours But I uh, I've been sustaining myself off of the attention from your viewers and you my beautiful Okay friends people I'm gonna go to bed because I gotta wake up in nine hours And I like to get my sleepy sleeps But uh, thanks for having me on and uh, I doubt I'll really contribute anything meaning this part. So Um, I don't sell yourself to a short son. Yeah, I like you. I like it when you come on here chase. It's beautiful I'll thank you a little my bubby. I'll talk to you boys later. Make sure to eat you Do you want to quickly say why people subscribe to you? Uh, you should subscribe to me because I'm turning into the anime equivalent of I hate everything In the video game equivalent as well. Uh, I don't give fucking anything a pass for the most part And uh, my microphone was $600. That's all folks. Hey, I'm really picky about anime and I haven't watched a lot And maybe I'll tune into your channel. That's because it's it's all fucking bad these days subscribe to my patreon Sorry that we fucked up. We're not supposed to promote other channels on here, right? That breaks the narrative Um, sorry, can I also uh, I'm not saying I'm gonna leave for good But I am going to go and have a lie down Well, do you want to do you want to do you want to pimp your channel now? So that in case you're not around when um, sure I started out two years ago by ripping off cinemasins, then I ripped off harris bomber guy for a while And now I'm making an in-depth critique. That's a ripoff of mohler if you like Um, fucking garbage that's been ripped off from other people subscribe to me Uh, if you don't then leave Hey, sounds good There we go. How do I do? I'm I'm sure people will get a good impression from that. I'm terrible I don't know like why would anyone subscribe to j. Let's be honest, too It's like morbid curiosity. That's true. So it's like, you know, when you see like a train crashing. It's hard to look away Can we define your uh the genre of your channel as a malls like? Sure, I just be since like then bomber like and now more like it's a bystander effect like Hey All right I'm off for now. I may show back up if I start feeling a little bit less friend in the head. Okay. Okay, dude Thanks for the last thing as long as you did Thanks Never been a booze. Let's be sure Dust bullshit you want to jump onto the one with begins with six hours Certainly. All right Kodak century says six hours 38 minutes and 52 seconds into my 2001 a space odyssey analysis And then we just randomly cut to these colorful seizure inducing hallways is how making these is dave just tripping on the drugs The movie never says because there is no explanation It just wants a nice pointless visual that now looks dated because stanley kubrick only cared about style over substance So, uh, that's me if you guys don't get it Um, it's a really great representation of how I would tackle 2001 a space odyssey um Joel It's like I don't even know. It's like, yeah, there's nothing to draw from that sequence because um, when you see something That doesn't necessarily make sense visually in a in a realistic manner That has no concept of why it might do that Maybe you can ask a question But I mean the context the movie would account for for many interpretations of what is happening in that sequence This is much like a lot of what people consider to be artsy movies being unexplainable objectively And it's like no as long as there's indications and interpretations that are based on references You're fine, but obviously It's more fun to make fun of me. So Whatever but that next time you're gonna make fun of somebody you might want to take a page from jack's book and use some quotes Yeah Do it I was I was a little confused on what he was going with that until you brought it up that he was making funny He's like, okay now it makes a bit of a sense here So uh, to be fair stanley kubrick is one of those especially 2001 is one of those movies So it's based off whether or not you appreciate cinematography or visuals. So um Some of these comments could be true to some people so I was gonna say yeah, who knows if they could argue it uh efficiently Maybe that is the take but it's just like I'd have to see it presented and I need to see the movie again But whatever like it's just fun to make fun. Um You're you're up next smud boy and this one's you might want to take it slowly because it's a bit tis me This is actually rather ironic because this is the the same quote that I was replying to all all day today And I believe you also replied to it as well But uh, yeah, this was an interesting person to talk to I don't understand how this lazy anti-intellectual nonsense of theming doesn't matter can somehow pretend like they Have the rational logic high ground Like have you ever been in any literature and media class past middle school? Like how grammar rules and story structure are often thrown out the window in the service for conveying a beautiful idea Like it is art It is supposed to give you feelings And it picking the literal words of the text doesn't even scratch a molecule Of the edge of all the meaning contained within With you trying to go for like a valley girl sort of thing. I don't understand I don't know and it's like it's Immediately cut off by the fact that it's like your premise is broken. I think themes totally matter Where are you coming from with this? It's like well the video said you didn't it's like oh Well The one that really irks me is the how grammar and rules and story structure are thrown out the window in the service for conveying a beautiful idea um Who did this who has ever done that? I thought that was a good idea. Yeah It's it's bizarre like a beautiful what is a beautiful idea at the expense of grammar How how can you understand or see the beautiful idea? Well, this is the thing right every movie submits to some form of logic They all have to they all do we all know this is a thing that every fucking filmmaker has to do so Use no point trying to argue they don't because progression you don't have a story without progression So they do adhere to it to a degree But it's like there's so many reasons why they'll just stop and it's like for example Oh, fuck that guy had two knives in the scene with ray. We just a brush one of them out Yeah, just do it. Fuck whatever people won't notice Um So the next one is also more not understanding the difference between objective and subjective Is the funniest part about him and his buddies parading around youtube as some enlightened objective thinker Uh mohler goes on several minutes about how beauty cannot be objectively explained yet insist the quality of a movie can um Beauty is inherently subjective by its definition To be satisfied by some things beauty is like If you want to try and Achieve a standard for it like symmetricality would be one So people are like why is someone so attractive? It's like well, they're very symmetrical and the reverse is usually true. Why are they unattractive? Their face is unsymmetrical Like things are falling off in different directions. Um Someone might be like their eyes are too close together or too far apart Because it's like, uh, you can try and give some form of standards, but beauty itself to say something is beautiful It's pretty difficult to to say that that could be objective I don't know. It's it's like a feeling you're experiencing But then the quality of a movie I keep making my standards available But it's just like no, it's just it's just don't do that because the movie's feelings only question mark subjective only I don't And it says, um, of course, he doesn't even acknowledge this discrepancy. It's not a discrepancy And he doesn't explain exactly how pointing out logical consistency proves the quality of a movie objectively It's literally just contradicting itself ruining its stakes and progression like I pretty much said that like four times now I really want him to watch those three movies along with others like inland empire raw and killing of a sacred deer His style of criticism barely works on hollywood blockbusters Okay, and it completely falls flat against those that don't follow blockbuster format I'm not sure what they think that means The guy is a joke of a critic and is completely blind to his flaws outside of getting things wrong about a movie While having the nerve to accuse people of the same shit. He's doing Interesting touch Yeah that's to say you don't Look at hollywood blockbusters. I mean that's the majority of what you've been looking at is the popular titles on your channel So yeah, the idea is that um, I can talk about writing through things like ip's the people have already accepted But they're only going to be ones that I care about personally as well But there are things I want to talk about that I don't think are in much of the public eye Like I don't think the haunting of hillhouse has been watched by many people Many people are not aware of it So I kind of want to cover it to give it more exposure and talk about why I think it's so well written Um So, you know the time will come with these things that are less known than I want to cover I just need more time because it takes a long time to make my stuff. Um but anyway Next comment. Best bullshit. You ready? Yes So this one's uh, this one's spicy here. So Moller is one of the most annoying people on youtube, especially in the comments of other people's better videos I'm glad someone is finally taking a proper swing at him and his style of quote criticism I'd hate to be someone like him His contemporaries or one of his fans who consumes media like this Without any thought or artistic purpose or meaning behind a text Even in a blockbuster film as though people making films don't have thoughts or ideas or opinions They want to express and are just shoving the characters from points to point point a to point b along the plot No wonder they don't like anything if all movies were made this way They would be they would be boring Imagine not having the emotional self-awareness to analyze why you personally like or dislike something So you have to resort to pedantic nitpicking to unpack media you dislike and somehow claim Objectivity in analyzing art Also, it's hilarious to see him fumble over his ideas that somehow the visuals in a visual medium don't matter this again Great. I'm absolutely not saying you need a film degree to analyze film In fact, I'm glad that the internet allows for more diverse perspectives on film My advice to mauler would be to maybe pick up a book sometime In now I I recommend picking up some context sometime Uh, yeah, so once once again, uh visuals do matter I'd never never fucking say they do not matter in general. It's when I'm talking about writing that they're not relevant It's strange that they they say that visuals matter, but they tell you to pick up a book like, okay, that's Logical that's the book might have pictures. How dare you? Yeah We actually covered the why is mon mothma wearing a bowl gown and why is admiral holder doing it? So we could skip that one Sure. So uh Next one ready smud boy All right. If mauler said something negative about either the original star wars trilogy Lord of the rings or terminator his channel would be would die right there and then Should we should stop there? All right. So and you guys are welcome to to go for this too Let's start with the star wars trilogy. Is there anything wrong with a new hope? Um I'd have to rewatch it to Figure out the details, but um, I need to come up with a singular Negative thing about the movie in terms of writing. So if we can just get one um We talked we talked before on other streams about how it's Really strange that there's just this squid creature inside the the trash compactor And that it's mainly just there to generate a moment of thinking luke might have drowned But then he hasn't then it's gone a bit of a Something that probably could have been a bit a bit more explained And it's they're simply to provide like a dramatic moment as if to sort of pad it out because there's nothing else to do This probably is a criticism in there somewhere Not that significant, but it's something Maybe I mean that's Minor detail. No, that's the thing though, right? They all they said is I need to say something negative about it No, it doesn't matter how major or minor it is and then I will literally destroy my channel. So next up empire strikes back Uh, it's retarded that the a-wings. I think I can't remember if they're a-wings They're probably not a-wings the ships in in hoth. It's retarded that they don't Go out of their hangars and then cycle all the way around to the back of the 80 80s instead of flying right at them Because 80 80s takes so long to tune And uh, if they did that would actually be beneficial to the the rebels So their plan of attack is very inefficient compared to how good it could be that is true I remember seeing how they blew one up. They just shot it as as after the fact they started spinning around them with the wire Yeah, okay Yeah, that's another one. So that's two out of the three return of the jedi There are so many things that don't make sense about return of the jedi in uh, the ot I would literally just cite the entire plan at the beginning Yeah, let's say the first half It's so much of it makes no sense at all. Um, I still love the movie by the way, but yeah lord of the rings Um It's bad because I haven't seen it The uh I was speaking to wolf about what he considers to be flaws in the lord of rings one of the ones he said So I'll I'll just parrot it here and see what people think um The the elves turning up in the two towers is not in the books Uh to tell him's deep. I mean and you can tell By there's elements to it that are very clunky in in in the movies one being that the elves are basically Erased from existence once that scene is over apparently every one of them died You're just like okay to that um Our characters were expecting The orcs to have arrived at that point and it's the elves implying that like the elves could easily have just Cross paths with the orcs at that point. So you're just like did they not did they see them? Did that that seems a bit awkward, but okay fine Then there's um, how did the they know the Rohan was in trouble and that they were at helms deep um, these are all things that wolf has said by the way you'd have to uh confirm With him because I wouldn't be able to reference enough But he said that that could be considered. Um A flaw in in at least the two towers. I don't know if we need to go through all the law the rings films. Um Terminator, uh What's a flaw in terminator one? Oh, geez. Why are they only sending one robot back? Why are they only sending one robot back easy to Why does the robot have an accent? Why does you know all these things? Why is it a standardized model instead when as soon as you've released one? Uh the cover's blown Arnold mash several buttons on that payphone. How did he even get through to anyone? The fact that they can transport human flesh, but not seems pretty contrived. So, um, according to this commenter, I've not killed my channel Sorry folks Zero viewers and you guys just leave and discussed so Yeah, continue continue with the quote. We did it. We satisfied this guy's this guy's if and if then statement All right, these kind of youtubers live in breath by validation gangs They do or say anything that their audience doesn't like it usually implodes in their face really. Oh, I don't know Look for example when an animation youtuber named jello apocalypse who mocked the toxicity of tumblr disguised As inclusion to the video begging his subscribers to vote democrat in the midterms Or when the the fine bros try to trademark reaction videos. Okay, that's a bit stretching it Validation gangs usually see youtubers with some degree of success or clout as either their leader or even a messiah because he she Has influence and something. Oh, I guess I didn't extend that one. That's my bad. But um, yeah, I just This was pretty off the rails interesting take Uh People see me as a messiah or a leader. Okay I'm gonna nail you to a cross now Make sure you come back It would be really awkward if you didn't so I'm I'm gonna read this one. They find it amusing Can't wait to see molla's 10 hour long response edit molla I know that you're a slut for attention And I want you to know that nothing you have said is in any way insightful and meaningful chrisitum chrisitum And that's an edited comment. It's an energy at a good point Nothing you've said it's like he wanted to take this moment because he figured I'd see the comment to really get to me So he's like, you don't say anything insightful or meaningful. It's like nailed it The I'm referring to your chrisitum. Fuck. You're an awful chrisit moller I don't appreciate your chrisitum Sounds like It's just funny chrisitum that's going in I think part of that is chrisitum, but other than that, I do like the fact that we are literally about 10 hours Yeah, almost on the dark. I think we've almost made it. We might actually make it once we go through the super chats God, definitely. So the next one's um Wait, who's the last it was All right, so is this dust bullshit now or am I mixing the all it will do I believe you're next moller. Oh, I just read the one out there Yep, all right. So it's me Moller is no spock. He's the critic's stupid people even moller doesn't stop stop. He's the critic's stupid people What is that? I was reading but like um, thank you for stopping me because like wow Made me think about that in my brain blue. I love comments like this. They make me smile. He's the critic's stupid people Moller, did you pick these out as like your favorite dumb? Uh, so this is a selection of main arguments that be made top comments and then ones that make me laugh And some of them are hearted by jack himself too. So They have his blessing So moller is no spock. He is the critic's stupid people Even moller doesn't know his null bullcrap hasn't doctrineated his dumb masses And now And now I saw a true fan here Defending him poorly you You only know about his shtick because moller thinks he is the kanye west of critics And quote becoming cool like you want to be but you can't be like him You are too dumb to be like him. You will fail him just as his fans do without knowing You will fail him. What does that mean? Can we see Darth Sidious performing this comment? What does that mean? He's the critic's stupid people The Death Star will be fully operational when you're So, uh, next up will be spot boy Okay That one clip of him getting upset about how the movie cuts away After luke asks where is han kind of shows you the type of critic he is There is no need to vomit that information back at the audience and add nothing to the story The edit save time and he gets upset over it Oh, um, they're saying that watching luke grieve for han would be vomiting information and adding nothing to the story Oh my god What a take uh, sure, bad. Yeah, it would add nothing. Does the deleted scene still exist? The deletion. Yeah, it's still there. It's still visible. Is it any good? It is good. I think it should have been the film Have you guys seen it? No, I haven't actually. Oh, well, which film? It's the last Jedi The last Jedi The deleted clip Oh, that little clip. Yeah, I did see that. Oh, you have seen that. Okay. You haven't seen it though. Um, I have not I have not no Okay, well, it's literally 16 seconds So all you need to do is literally just click this give us give us all 20 seconds chat I'll even put it in the chat. Everyone check this out and tell me that this should not have been in the film I'm gonna rewatch it Oh, wow It's like really good Mark markeville is really good. Mark is really good. I know like It's all those little subtle facial expressions. He's got going there. Why would they why would they cut that? Why would they cut that same time seen as beautiful? It's only 20 seconds of All the things to cut like what? Uh, so I guess I'm next uh The dude shitting on lupita's character hitting a guy with a shoe is so funny to me because I just today watched a video Where a guy who worked on the movie talks about the entire fight scene how some of the stuff was done And the symbolic significance of stuff like clothes the characters are wearing Here hitting the dude with a shoe is supposed to symbolize weaponized femininity Oh Themes boys there were less silly ways to to symbolize that What do they think they mean the femininity and shoes are intrinsically connected Was the spear too much like was it too long shafts of Weaponized femininity to to a telling was the shoe Proper way to do it. I don't Beers are awfully masculine. You could you could use the same argument to defend it if she literally Choked a guy to death with her vagina Symbolizes weaponized femininity That means it's good Oh, and since these are sentence ones, I'll just get um, uh done So man, I remember when I critiqued things like muller did glad I don't anymore. That's got 67 So this this is something that's been used before just right used it and um A few of the people do they'll be like Mother's basement said this to me This line where they go. I remember when I used to think like you but then I grew up And you're just sitting there like thanks dad. I don't What you want me to do with that? I read a book They think it's a valid point because they believe it right But it's just like it doesn't matter if you believe it It could mean that you've regressed or that I haven't yet progressed either of those could be true Or you know, you've just changed without it being intrinsically bad or good sure Uh, I hope cinema since dial criticism is bashed by enough people to die off at least a little You might like my channel It's very true. Check out Yeah, check out my channel. I'm curious by the way chat Um Since we've now been going for like in excess of 10 hours that anyone who's been watching literally since we started Me I asked that and immediately I see people spamming shoe milk and to fair that's a better response than what I was expecting Weaponized shoe milk Um, I was going to say by the way, it's not that we won't trust these people saying that they have But what I will say is that a lot of people will likely say it whether or not they have because it'd just be like Yeah, I don't know Um, but don't worry. I believe you chat. I believe you this has been insane But it's been fun. Um So molar is an obnoxious long-winded pedant who's obsessed with quintan reviews. Plus he's a reactionary chud That's got a hundred and forty two. I just like what what is this like People have said I'm obsessed with tlj obsessed with my critics obsessed with quintan reviews obsessed with like longness Just like so anything that I do becomes the thing i'm obsessed with it's like cool What's what's wrong with being obsessed with your critics? That means you're listening and you want to know what they mean Oh, they would say i'm obsessed without listening Okay Yeah, I can hear him saying that unfortunately rags wolf aren't here But this one says rags wolf and molar just come across as egotistical pretentious pricks and we probably be like Yeah, that's fine Can't really argue uh get ready for his 13 hour e-fap in response to this We're nearly getting their double noun. Give us a bit more time Anyway, glad that there's people point out how poor molar's content is I wrote a response to this one in his recent videos One uh without being one of my main points. I plan on turning it into a video sometimes So it gets noticed far more than the handful of people who know about it now And so this sort of gives me a small impression of what chase was talking about earlier It's like oof. Are you doing this just to try to give views? I don't know. Okay I wish people's motivation was some form of like they actually wanted to address the points and talk about them But hey, and I think this is the best comment in the entire selection. Shout out to Eric taxons cat who has excellent comedic timing Hey, finally something we can agree on. Yeah, I think that was a fair comment. I agree It's got lots of our folks, you know This we've found a place where both both fanbases can agree And that's that's it We did it Uh the rest now we'll be reading out superchats and of course um, I'm gonna go right from the beginning which This is gonna take a while It's been like 10 hours. Um Jesus christ, I'm actually having to like load pages here. So yeah, it starts with january 20 I'm gonna have to scroll on e-fap 22 until it turns into 21. There we go. Okay Watch till you scroll up and it's like yesterday like oh shit It literally is so it passed over I started at 8 p.m. And it's 6 a.m. Now So, well, we just started after yeah, and jay's been here the whole time too. So, you know I've taken breaks to literally just lie down Cover so we're gonna try and read these as fast as we can and address the ones as best we can Unfortunately, wolf and rags are not here. So they can't answer the questions that are addressed to them And I'm sorry about that. I really am it's just this is sort of the structure We try and do this with that works in his most efficient. So Uh, you couldn't wait two hours for me to be off work I'm sorry jake at wolf. I showed my friend lord the rings the first time in his reaction After return was how could they do my boy Frodo like that? Also, will you ever check out high top reviews? Um, hey homecoming vid kisses. I have not and um I actually kind of wonder what wolf would say about the whole how could they do my boy Frodo like that I'm not sure. Do you mean that he dies? I feel bad because this person made this comment 10 hours ago I don't know Jay let it be known your crimes against cinnamon toast are on public record. We will see you in court Oh, fuck Um, as a fat i'm offended. We did read that one. Why did you do this? I just wanted to watch star wars Um, any thoughts on h pomega is transgender live stream all I know is he did a live stream on donkey kong to raise Money for charity, I believe so good for him. Yeah, that's that's fine with me and concept. I don't know anything else about it Um, I think I like he got a couple of uh celebs there too. So I guess that was pretty exciting But yeah, I also like the shots he took in his announcement Oh, yeah, that was funny. What's it you I imagine you've seen father ted right? Yes, uh, but I haven't seen it in ages I generally just like for me, it's like a christmas tradition that uh, like, you know, generally when I am home with my family At some point watch father ted It's not the tradition is really as much just an inevitability as we all The right is a big big cunty boy Who spends basically his entire time now on twitter just Raving about how much he doesn't like that people are trans and I'm like, that's not very nice Or if you think you're not very nice j. Well, he probably does All right then, um, don't quote me on this from bilbo baggins, which That you know, wonderful. Uh jack saint video t too long didn't watch subjectivity man good objectivity man bad Gotta put long man bad in there What lewis said about the parkland kids was perfect. They were victims and suddenly they Paraded around like their experts in gun violence. What the fuck they've been used as pawns to pull emotional strings how Sure that you knew everything you were at Were you sorry? How sure That you knew everything were you at 17? Um, yeah, I haven't heard enough to comment on um, what that scenario is But I think that might have been a reaction to what chase said about it Being that it's better to have the information on the topic before you talk about it sort of thing Which I guess I just said so that they were the um The stream labs once I'm back on the actual uh, uh, super chest now, so Jared is jello, right? He's sleeping in a fish tank. I don't know if that's a part of the law I'd have to check it. It's all aquaman. I know he needs to go yo Yeah I saw aquaman This weekend wolf garbage and ridden with plot holes as expected I lost my ass off at the submarine scene at the beginning though. Well, you'll enjoy the coming video from wolf Charks are mostly cartilage with only bones being the jaws teeth and spine and look how well they swim Oh, that's still addressing the initial comments about a jelly man flying through space Or it's the sky. This is still far back. Um, as in long And arguably apparently in deep movie critics. What are your thoughts on the three flavors cornetto trilogy? I love all three of those films. Um, and I think they're really well written Uh one being a horror comedy one being like a drama comedy and then the third being a thriller comedy, I suppose They're all they're interesting as their approach and I I just think they're awesome films in a lot of ways Thanks for getting me on the witcher books wolf. I'm sure you would say he's glad to Get anyone to do that. Um, I didn't know until recently the rags was friends with the quartering and by extension review tech usa Quite possibly. Yes, I'm not sure But anyway guys here's some money to buy some rhino cream rhino cream. Yeah, that's a sheave bag It's creepy. She's good old creepy. She's thank god. You're back. Missed you. We well This should tie people over for a while. We're probably not going to do an efap now until like next week Late next week. I don't even know how ironic to be seeing a former critic of moeller joining the efap On a video critiquing moeller. Good to see you spino rhino milkman Oh, that's I can't I'm sorry. Can I just hear that again? I need I need to be Reminded of those brilliant words. Good to see you spider slash rhino slash milkman Thank you. I I'm happy. I'm impressed honestly that I managed to go the entire like It'll almost 11 hours now of this stream Without seeing something Questionable enough to become its own meme again He's we It's been efficient somehow. I'm not even sort of certain of how jj's big book flight. What's that? I'm assuming by the way, um Jack is still on twitter taking snipes at the stream That's um and Wonderful for him He said 30 like odd minutes ago He said uh lola check back after finishing the movie. They're still whining that I don't want to Wait So I muted my mic for a while. I went back to see what it was. You're actually talking about At that point of the stream and it wasn't that So he's essentially just gone Surprisingly, he said something You're cutting out Uh, how much of that did you understand? Uh, all the part we missed was you says well I think what you said is he's claiming x in the part of the video he would be in is y He's taken he's saying something is happening when it's not happening, which is a huge shock He's saying that we're still uh, or I think it would have been you at that point I think that's when I was having a nap He was saying that you were Still whining about him not one Bate when that's just not really what you were talking about. You know, I mean, what have we said on that basically just that um We're not letting rags get booted And that was a while back those when rags was here. Um I don't you know, I I don't have a huge desire to bait jack To debate jack. Sorry. Uh, it's the video is very, uh Disingenuously made. I don't know like it's it's it's complicated. Um Essentially if you were to debate him at this point that would be doing something for him You don't have that at all. There's no obligation there Yeah, and I think a lot of people would like to see it So it just depends on how he is in pms But like with the amount like the sheer amount of sniping he's doing I'm just like, I don't know man like I don't believe you're doing this because you want to figure things out Again, he's he's his arguments could be applied straight back to him just oh my god They're still whining. He says as he continues to whine Well speaking speaking of that, uh, Jenna just said I'm surprised. There's no new memes says jj banks All right, that's not something stupid I said to be fair It's fair enough. It's fair enough. How did that start? Did I just he said we'll see that in the chat Yeah, uh, I think someone said jay's like jar jar banks in that at first. Oh, yeah Something like annoying, but it makes sense for him to be here. I don't know like that and then someone said jj banks. He was done Um Aren't all blaster weapons miniaturized death star tech aren't all people miniaturized jarred beings That is definitively true. Long critique is not deep makes a 50 plus critique counted f amola I mean, that's the thing. He's already counted me before I even made my response. He's playing 5d chess I saw this train wreck and I'm working on my own response video to it The disingenuous nature of it is infuriating. Have fun tearing this apart Well, if you are still making the video feel free to use the references that I put in here Yeah, I gave up. Hi I don't blame you Uh, mola gay people come out faster than your vids to his tfa part two question mark So my what I've said is the expected release date for tfa part two will be the end of february I still haven't finished the video, but it's another hulking task. The editing is taking ages on it and uh, Obviously, I've been Not solely doing it. There's this efap prep and there's this other appearances We did like the the monkey on whatever else, but I am working on it and I keep updating the patreon to give people A source on what's what's being covered in it. But yeah End of february is what I'm hoping for and the reason for that is that I'm doing a lot of different, um things for the channel in prep for april It's it's at this point. I need to make sure those videos are good because of how much everybody keeps saying they're looking forward to the april fool's video It's like, oh shit. It's better actually make a good april fool's video So um, what is the april fool's day joke is that you literally don't They would be fooled Well, I'm assuming you said that if what if I didn't release a video, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I'm sorry. I'm still cutting out like fuck. It's it's weird. It cuts you out on seriously important words Like if it only cut you out on a different word, I'd probably be five with the sentence. But yeah, uh But I got what you said though. It's okay. And yes, that would that would subvert their expectations Um smaller as cars playing as harry stewart from deadly premonition I don't know who that is. Oh my I do Bezos is listening j I'm sorry. Bezos is listening Oh, it's that hang on. I will recognize them by their peripheral picture. That's that's how I remember people Is I think I know who you are, but I remember pictures not names. Sorry I feel the person who speaks to me on twitter all the time. Then I know it's you Okay Uh, so Patrick said I'm new be gentle ever seen full metal jacket. Uh, yes. I like it a lot All right, then skull on wheels man long calling it now. Oh, wow that person called it early Well, Nick Jay is right. The only way to provide truly objective film critique is to have never seen the film at all That's That would be truly objective because you wouldn't have any emotional stake in it if you've never seen it, right? That is true. That is true Rags isn't just a guest. No, he's just a guest Completely he's only been on like one or two e-fabs. So he's gone now. So um Rags is required by law to show up at least once for every e-fab mauler and the gang got some kind of Deer on him and they're using it to blackmail Catching an e-fap live won't be able to stay for the full eight hour stream eight hours What an underestimation, but I'll listen to your work tomorrow. Anyway guys rub one out for Jared Is it gay that if you bone a man, but I imagine it's a woman rags. Tell me the secrets of the big gay I would have to get his opinion on that. Um, I'm afraid I can't speak for him Watching on delay, but woof. I like your book Can't wait for the third read when I'll never be bored mula tfa part two when rag fallout video is great And j happy e-fap and you put rhino milk Yay, thank you. I I enjoy random milk. Um, people I've seen people think that I would get tired of it Um, I enjoy it more every time I see it. That's not even me being facetious I genuinely still enjoy that meme. I'm surprised. It doesn't died yet. It's going strong and it keeps getting revived by new milk sources Yeah, today we had shoe milk. That's that's probably the peak of milk in the stream shoe milk Um, I think last stream we had earth milk and xenomorph milk It's not a real stream until rags is intoxicated. Well, I don't think we got there, but we did in spirit. Holy crap. That was the beginning Um, I know smaller. I'm writing if you go by the scroll I'm doing we are now a fifth of the way through according to this, but I don't necessarily trust it I'm writing a book and would genuinely be interested in paying you to read it and critique the plot writing a story Would you be interested? And if so, how could I contact you? I generally say no to those requests And it's just a general rule. I try to keep to make sure I remain fair, but um Like I really appreciate that you would think that I would be good to do that for your work So, um, I'd be happy to for no money. That's fine There you go try to get smud boy on twitter slash's channel and he'd happily give it a read if that would be something You'd be interested in Uh rag hoota beer on stream depending tlj is like defending satan Surprise early eFap nice and it's eric taxa. No sweet looks like revenge of the nudes is getting taken down in this one Uh, I genuinely think it's easier to defend satan than tlj. That's that's just because I think satan's not Yeah, satan's a fallen angel. So he's got a bit of a character arc, you know It's like he's good ones. He was rebelling against the Turinical guy who was like everyone must worship me and do everything I say satan was like can we like not I think he's all right. Yeah, I think I think you've made a really strong defense I I'm actually pro satan at this point Oh, the bible has too many plot holes They did so true The only people who are going to be offended by you saying that uh fanatical christians and I doubt you have many You would want to like I'm sure they'd be able to take that joke even if they were fanatical christians, right? If the whole stream has been about how people are taking jokes too seriously with the whole insult thing But maybe um satan has better themes Do you think we all deserve a frame picture of mawler wink wink? Oh, that is far back in this stream Are you guys excited for heat blue f14 tomcat in dcs world? I have no fucking clue what the hell that's referencing That was just a lot of words in an order to me. I'm gonna say yes. I am excited for that Rhino milk spent last week watching all e-fabs. My body is ready. Well, you've got another like weeks with already um Also, will please I need your vids like quintin needs soy. It's on the way Have you guys ever heard of the accusers? Go ahead. Soy milk is good for you I I I mean I just I you know what fact You jay's admitting that he drinks only soy milk guys. I literally do only drink soy milk rather than cow milk Um, and that's not a joke So that's why I believe all the things I believe Uh, that explains why you don't watch movies Yeah Have you guys ever heard of the accuser series? They just ported most of them to pc recently accuser zero alone Is one of the best games I've ever played? I've not played it. That's amazing I don't know if any of you guys want to talk a bit more about it because I I got no reference It's pretty wild. It's fun. Exciting. It's silly. It's over the top Well, yeah, we're great. I fear there wouldn't be a real e-fap even though there was a G-fap. Thanks for the mountain of entertainment. You mad lads. Oh, I guess if the gaming ones don't quite count Then we've got this one. Don't you know doom's brutality is bad and it's a power fantasy But moral combat is okay because it gives you a feeling of pride and accomplishment Yes, Lindsay Alice crowdfunded hundreds of dollars for a forum for her shez apocalypse website that never materialized to give you an idea I don't know anything about that specifically. Um, but You just citing some of her video essays are relatively strong and I've liked some of her video essays Some of them are insane though. Like it's it's complicated Um Depends on the references is probably what I would say a bit late to the show But level your individual channels and content And faff on goods is also started or in the blind forest last night and good lord What an amazing opening. I do love that game and it's one of wolf's favorite games of all time I just want to make it clear to everyone's putting satan milk in the chat that I I think that's a fine addition to the milk collection It just doesn't end because it makes you think like oh, it's satan milk There's a finite number of emojis. They can use for this eventually they will get there Yeah, they'll just they'll stay clever and they'll keep it up Eventually it's just going to be like the the different kinds of people milk So it's going to be like white woman milk white woman with brown hair milk black hair milk That that's my prediction for eFap beautiful molars videos are thick Uh, did I miss anything and they posted rino spider milk? Sign of a woman you get to look at shades What is the top at spiny face? There's a lot of a lot of memes in there Forget aids grill X. That's aids Ed Sheeran Enough the reason why criticism may be long is due to the expansion of points If I would say devil may cry encourages player expression, we would then need to explain why which can take a lot of time That is honestly a fundamental take on why things can take longer than some things It's how much you want to explain and how much you want to qualify But you can keep going forever typically speaking because every single word could be defined and explained And it's all arguably relative, but it's just like the standard you'd want to keep is just Make sure they understand the terms you're using And then you use logical steps to use the things you've defined to reach conclusions conclusions that are defined to I'm slowly starting to slay because My brain clock is running out You guys seeing the chat at the moment. It's devolved so far. It's just pictures of milk Is Now they've got me picturing that satan has otters god damn it yet. Is that bride milk? My favorite one is milk milk milk That's when it's become a full circle meme Um, I hate tax and so much. I hope he goes to mcdonald's and orders a big mac with no pickles But then still puts pickles on it Okay Damn that's savage right there. I like my youtube reviews like my weeners long and aimless I was watching rags all the videos before this stream. So here's five dollars Fair enough. Thank you very much. Uh, we found the british. Tommy. Why so guys? I encourage length mohler baggins. This is true. Did someone draw mohler as mon mon mothra moth ma moth ma What is her actual name? No, it's made me forget it. I want to say mon moth ma. It is mon moth ma, right? He said mon mothra That's that's quite an artistic thing to draw as well That's what I want to see Mothra crossed with mon mothra I'm on mothra, but it's also mohler. Mothra's face. Mothra's fucking body, but with a style of moh- moh- moh- moth This is a giant dress Uh You're a lot you're like a less gross plinket mohler. Why thank you the age old quota pictures worth a thousand words And then he complains that you may go over in a word count and beyond if it can't be worth more Wait, you're pointing out how Uh Jack is inconsistent. That's ridiculous as long as jarred genesis support you we too Yes, wait, what the fuck did he just say? No, I'm not sure what that's referencing specifically I'm only here to spend my dad's money. Take that dad How did how much money was that that was Five dollars. No, wow that's gonna be furious. How did Eric try and emulate weird al Game theory is eric tax on jarred genesis is autistic cousin. That is offensive And now this is a bullying stream. Thanks to that super chat Yep, so well done person Gosh, uh, draw me jack like you're transsexual girls beautiful Uh, oh god, pito jesus has retired. See this is what I mean. It's like the kind of thing you read it You just go You're automatically a monster if you laughed Keep making great content guys been interesting listening during my film school work with dealing with all the no objectivity in film and my subjectivity I'm glad we can provide an outlet at least for the people who feel like there's not enough of it I suppose citation needed literally all of your critics points nearly all of the time. I mean Jay make a video that's harsh on me, but that's fair just so that we can finally say that one exists. Okay Sure Okay, fine. I'll do it Is it possible that eric managed to be worse than before? He generally seems to think he's right and will do anything to slander people Disagree with him. I think he's better here. I think he's better here than the wolf video the wolf video. He's like Running away with an idea that came from nowhere while here He's he's like so close to getting to what I actually believe and projects. He just misses a few bits While jack is just in the universe You're objective, but not really it's like what? It's like, oh But why though wait eric wait No, he's gone So please tell me you're gonna bring up the sniper quinton his comments in the video are so full of it a question What reality is from um, so I put out a tweet. It's on my profile I'm not sure how late it is But it's one with the A comment from a quote from quinton and he basically says that rags is obsessed with him and that quinn Didn't really do anything other than address an argument in a different like scene that was still valid It's just demonstrably wrong. It's not what quinton did and um To finish the quote was saying rags is pretty much obsessed with him and quinton says that if rags continues He's probably gonna snap Like Quinton believes rags constantly thinks about him Quinton that's not what's happening. I'm sorry We got it. We got invited to cup old state of the youtube and we were like Do you want to do you want us to speak about like what happened with quinton and you know address the quinton podcast? They had previously with him when we did and that was that and so it's like, ah, you're obsessed. It's like No, no, no, it was a topic, but okay Um, but yeah, he's good old quinton, you know I've been trying to write stories with a diverse cast Least I attempt to focus on motives interests and even try to make a race and gender matter It is an insult to me when people hire based on race and gender alone I think it should be insulting. It's uh, it's counter to the To the point of normalization. You're basically saying to them that because they're gay. They are special It's like that should be normal not special Well, we we don't really care about like, you know what you have to bring to the table. Are you are you gay? Are you black? That's really all we care about. Mm-hmm. It's like, yeah, that's that that would be tremendously insulting No, stop thinking more. I made a video that was big number long It's okay Someone in the chat is saying Jay, what have you done like really dramatically and I'm really curious. What have I done? It must be the milk. Um Please elaborate There's loads of milk in chat. Do they blame you for this? No, milk has not stopped Um Look at that pressure that they just created this looks I think a spider with the with the crystal ball This is Jay. I could read the future That was one of my favorites That is a strong set of emotion it was to try and depict a spider the milk must flow Man, isn't there a dude remake coming out soon still I think so. Yeah We shall see Why is wolf generic sporting that generic face as an avatar? I know the wolf character been retired and that makes me sad but the wolf medallion worked It's a reference to tonal bloke go to e-fap 21 to understand the context no Yeah, e-fap 21 because e-fap gaming is a different thing Ripley was a character and became an icon right on the other hand was designed to be an icon But wasn't given the character to back it up agreed You know what? Here's my money Fuck jack and eric and everyone liked them instead of coming on and actually talking like rational humans They'll snipe and lie on the side or on twitter. Fuck them I mean they seem to There's this there's a weird thing there like it seems like they would have come on if it's just me and wolf So to say that they're not willing at all wouldn't be quite accurate, but I mean they I don't know what their dealio is with rags I would say that there's nothing wrong with wanting not wanting to debate something like that. Yeah, that's uh But I think the way they're doing it is the problem Well, uh, they've taken an action and I have committed to the opposite reaction because I'm encountering the things and now we're completed So now it's up to them if they want to debate me on my points or if I want to debate them on their points further I'm not that interested just because of Really exploring this and it's it's weird when I explored this Personally to get the references. I wasn't as concerned outside of like I said, I hated that ending But watching the rest of it and establishing where they've taken stuff out of context and seeing people react and How people feel about it. I'm just like, yeah, this is way worse than I felt about it Just because I was just like, oh, he's mistaken, but it's like come on um And so yeah, I feel a little bit worse about it now than I did before and so it's just It's just complicated about what I even want to do going forward because you know Everyone always accuses me of being like the guy who demands debates and in this scenario. I'm like, I don't really care to debate Um And if they're telling me well, only come on if you do these things. I'm like, I don't know that I care to actually Commodate you I would say drop both pretenses of criteria for doing a debate Have a third party and do that if they if you really want to do it It's just a little weird It's like that it's not like they have like you have requested to have more people on your team during this debate It's like the show has always been you three, you know, unless they can't make it But so it's like why are you making them change their format to accommodate you? Well, that's what I mean like you should not be one way or the other It should be a third party who's the moderator and Whoever they want and wherever you want go ahead and do it if that's what's the big issue And talk about it out. They don't worry about Who are you know reading? We're watching these movies or whatever or not. Just Sit down and talk If you really think your points are that strong, it's like why would it matter how many are there exactly? I went to watch their video first so I could form my own opinion But 13 minutes in and they've been so dishonest. I dropped out. Let's have a laugh Absolutely I I'd like to think that the EVE apps are entertaining As well as breaking down these insane videos a bit off topic from the current video Sorry, go ahead If you can make it through that is that's true They weren't entertaining people wouldn't fucking spend 10 hours watching them. That's true. No, they're all wrong people remember They're all wrong They're all long man bad A bit off topic from the current video, but any Are any of you more excited for the king of the monsters than end game? Probably not but still curious. Yeah, not for me personally, but i'm still interested in king of the monsters Anyone else? No, I do. Oh, so king of the monsters is the godzilla movie that's coming out The only reason I really like that is how excited i've seen other people about get about it Which could make me assume that there is something to be excited I thought the trailer was neat. Um, I just care more about end game obviously, uh But i'm interested in seeing the new godzilla. Yes. Yes, I am. Um What's wrong with his face? Hashtag save the cat. Here's some dollar for rhino milk always enjoyed all y'all's long videos You are the epita Epitombo wait, that's a reference to another podcast of objective content I'm not sure what that reference is. I'm afraid but fair enough. Is that uh The right opinion No, it couldn't be I don't think he does a podcast is he? Oh, no, I'm not sure about that Uh, the old pacing subverts your expectations, so it's good. If anything they're using rags as an excuse not to come on Uh, I don't know that for sure, but I mean it just like we've already said what we feel on that one It's literally your podcast if anything it should be by your rules Not theirs. You're the three hosts and that's it. They can't ask to can't they ask could bring on a third Yeah, if they want to that'd be fine Um the biggest plot hole in the whole current harry potter movies is that the american wizards have not found a way to Combine magic and guns yet again the english underestimate us Oh, the american wizards wouldn't have made Guns and magic a combo. I get it I mean it'd be interesting to see how that would be possible to wilfam aller Eric taxon is like your guys's vision of manatee individual needs some fan art of photoshop of man attacks and Thing is I wouldn't want to paint him too much of the villainous character in this one because like I said It's much more jack than it is eric Yeah Now the next defab gaming should be y'all playing one of the old EA nascar games would be really funny to see you guys crash as you try to get control There's lots of potential for refab gaming. I'm not sure what we're going to do with it, but um It seemed like people really enjoyed it. So we'll definitely try and think of what other potentials we have A high coup. I don't say sorry. Um, I want to It's now What 10 to 7 in our at least in our time zone I'm started at 8 There are gonna be people who were watching us yesterday Uh fell asleep and have woken up now and have noticed that we're still fucking going Well people have said like am I going to do a 24 hour e-fap for uh the 100th episode and I was like Fuck we might do it before the 100th Oops, oh it looks like someone in chess said they actually did that If you keep rotating the part of the the past the cast Uh, it wouldn't be that hard. I well, it would be hard, but it would be manageable I think yeah, I think it's possible and I would happily try and make the full 24 I mean I have to because I'm streaming it. It'd be pretty awkward if I just gave up Um, you know, I I wonder if you literally just used like basically Everyone who is willing to come on as part of it How long you could make a stream go on for with people like dropping in and out I think it'd be possible and I think we might try and do it for the 100th episode. It'd be cool That'd be pretty sweet and definitely fap Yeah, we'll have to like keep find the whole selection of videos to respond to we'd have to throw Down with thrust in there. It would probably be like a A cavalcade of the classics. We'd have one from everybody we've covered previously that's short or something Although our break's allowed Absolutely, it would be a it would probably be seven and a half hours Half hour break seven half hours half hour break Just because we have to split the streams up anyway Sleep is for the week Would that count as a 24 hour stream at that point? I don't know too complicated But yes fair enough a haiku objectivity better than cold rhino milk running down wolf's chin Oh Can someone explain to me what exactly eric taxon is? Um He's a human being who has an issue with me and how I address media That would be the explanation. I think what kind of role do you hope captain marvel will won't play an end game? I Depends on what her movie's about. I do not want her to be the sole reason everything is okay an end game That'll ruin it for me. I don't particularly like the idea of her saving iron man But I think that's probably gonna happen at the beginning I really want him to build his way out of that situation as a Big circle around from how he starts. It'd be awesome, but I don't think they're gonna do that. I think she'll save him And if she ends up beating Thanos Oh, that's gonna be tough to watch can can compared to seeing the original avengers beat him, you know Um, so that's she's done. Well, it could be good Like you could you could still have that be the plot and find out actually it was executed fine Well, if someone said what about both what if the avengers working with you after marvel? I'd be like Oh, yeah. Yeah, I could work that could work And I mean, she's clearly gonna help in the fight. She's gonna be an important part of it no matter what I mean, yeah, she's like super OP. She's the most OP person who's on the hero side, right? She's more OP than Thor what I heard Yeah, I mean that seems to be the impression we're getting from like the trailers and stuff So, yeah, we'll have to see with that one greetings gentlemen EFAP has been very helpful to me while I work at the shop where we cut quartz glass parts for silicon chip etching machines Always provide me at least half 12 hour shifts of works with the relaxing content. That is awesome That's really cool Yeah, I'm glad we can entertain you honestly Uh, jay, have you watched return of revenge of the sith? If not, you live in a sin, son I've seen all the star wars films. Don't worry. It's okay Except the holiday special I subbed to eric after his paul jofs with watson video. I also saw his music and I like Supporting new creators after this I'm done lying is my limit I I know rags and wolf would encourage people to not be subscribed I'm not sure where I stand on the whole thing because I'm subscribed to plenty of people I'm subscribed to quintin like I like to keep up to date with what the arguments have been presented on what I consider to be The opposite end of the aisle Yeah, I know right Uh, I'm subscribed to a lot of people I regularly disagree with so it's just and if you like you have a principle of You'll never support a creator and by that it means watching their content if you consider them a liar then that is absolutely um You know, I wouldn't Knock anybody for that perspective. I think that's fair I enjoy you as well So I genuinely don't think he's lying. I think I don't think he's lying. I think he's just wrong I yeah, I think he's just misunderstood what I think or at least he thinks that I don't understand What I think and he's trying to explain it to me while jack is a whole different story I mean, I believed everything I said in my um Black Panther video it's it's it's not hard to be wrong I'm I'm wrong many times Sorry, that's weird Um I enjoy your work. Keep it up jack. You made something so shitty that 12 hours are required to expose its flaws We we've had a lot of breaks and a lot of random discussions Um, but it will be said that we spent 12 hours talking about a 50-minute video and that is embarrassing. We should be ashamed of ourselves Literally half the original cost including the context that they kept leaving out I know it took a while to show all of it and then to re-show what they take on it was I don't care if it takes long. I just don't care Literally half the original cast at this point has um, essentially just dropped off. Mm-hmm I'm surprised me and jay is still here like it does surprise me The stream has a 50 survival rate. Also, we are halfway through super chat now So well, I actually Also, I scrolled all the way down loaded all the way down until the oldest one So now i'm scrolling up to them. So any of them that have come since I spoke about them They'll all be ones I'll have to refresh for So it's only yeah, so I'd say we're safely halfway through from what I can see Uh, Aliens Clone Marines is greater than soma great themes. I agree. I feel that nitpicks I feel that nitpicks can show clear evidence that someone has been delving deep into the content and notices minor things They wouldn't have if they hadn't been so thorough in their work The conversation on nitpicks is really interesting Uh, and I think that it's just casually used to throw a critic off. They're just like now you've nitpicked you're out and it's like And the interesting thing rags highlighted was that He considers the hyperdrive thing in tlj to be one of the most like damning law breaking film ruining things and there are people out there They happen on the drunken peasants podcast when we brought up Those things to a lot of people in the audience were like that's a nitpick. It's like Wow, yeah, you know, it's like, what do you consider to be things that aren't nitpicks? confused Hey guys, if you're looking for some humor for late night look up terence pop dude is hilarious ps. I love you guys fair enough Rags watch just fall out 76 video first you vids. I've seen was very impressed mas canata smelt have spin-off film before solos Poor numbers. I'm sure rags would appreciate that. Thank you G I'm sure there's a good meme in mauler abridged Mauler episode two now It's on the way this vid's comment section reminds me of toro so much hate even though he's just trash talking You know I keep seeing but my themes all over the place. It's a great meme for this channel But my themes but a lot of people take it as we really don't care about themes. It's like it's not that Themes are used as a defense for a movie this bad Like all the time. It's like what about the thieves don't make sense. Yeah, but there's themes. It's like, oh Started streaming three hours ago only 13 minutes into the video. I love this podcast so much There you go We're only three hours into the superchats apparently but like I said the it's it's definitely halfway So I think they they evened out a bit. I'm all how much longer will you make us wait for your next episode seven video? I'm better better be at least five hours long or I'm not clicking the fucking notification bell. Damn it Okay I'm afraid it'll be two hours 20 minutes from how it looks right now, but it's on the way Jesus sin sins. Okay fine. So what is your favorite movie then? What is your favorite movie jay? Fuck don't make me choose that there are a lot of movies. I like for a long time. It was district nine just because Entirely subjective reasons. That was a movie that I essentially Completely fell into the stakes of it. I Genuinely didn't know how it was going to win really really what the Essentially the protagonists to win But I fully believed that the film might not go that way and it is one of the best experiences I've had watching a film well, that's I there are a lot of films I like though and that is not I wouldn't say that's definitively my favorite Uh by any means really your favorite scene in that too many to choose from um I don't know. Uh, I like the ending a lot Fair enough, um Titus said uh, this can double as a counter to Eric's criticism of your editing with your tfa critique You stepped up your game in a way that matched the exponential growth of your channel every bit of the months of effort You poured into it showed bravo. So thank you very much. It's very kind of you Um, he probably gets this a lot, but jack looks like a ginger scrollax. There's a couple people have said that Yeah, um as a brown-eyed ginger. I'm sorry if you'd have to suffer through this pure blood disgrace Okay, I ain't the sharpest tool of the shed This poor little tards don't like long videos probably because they don't have the attention span to enjoy anything longer than a two minute Gillette infamish Topical the Canto bite people might even be subcontracting maintenance work on basis So Finn's rampaging between insurance and subcontracting may have made a lot of money for them It's why it gets funnier and funnier the more you think about it Video, please It's like a donation to keep playing the video. It's like We eventually did I think uh, this is for sin sins If any of the efap cast could satisfy your rhino milking fantasy and yes four players required How would you go about having your needs met? Don't lie to me Um, hang on. There are like several layers to that question. So Uh, clearly I'm milking rhino with hang on Am I milking a rhino with one of the cast or is this like they are dressing as a rhino? Satisfy your rhino milking fantasy. I don't know how to interpret that Is this a follow-up to the time when you were asked to milk one for sustenance and the other for fun I remember that question too. Yeah I wonder if that's a follow-up. I'm not sure I genuinely couldn't answer that. I I would happily You know what whoever consents That's my wholesome answer I've seen all three bubby films. Yes out of boy j That's a super chat Uh, eric taxon more like eric taxing my sanity. Oh Oh, oh, got him. Then you go Eric stewart has posted this three super chats of ocean man lyrics of spud bob song beautiful Absolutely agree with you wolf words can only hurt you if you let them being able to handle mean words as a part of life Take it on the chin and grow up jack you wet cowardly dollop of monkeys. Wow. That's just Interesting one beautiful. But yeah, um The whole it only hurts you if you let them like it's just you just You're never gonna get anywhere on the internet if insults where you draw the line on someone's character It's like the second you do that you're out. It's like, oh Careful, you better delete your twitter history because it's probably something in this someone could use if that's your principle I hope in your tpm critique You'll talk for at least an hour about how why jar jar is actually a good character in his existence is justified by the story I don't know if I go as far as saying he's a good character, but he's not an inconsistent character Um, really annoying. I suppose it's kind of silly. They make him a senator or at least he has he has the power to Suggest that palpatine gets emergency powers I'd have to really watch the film again to sort of figure that out But it's strange that he's in that position. I always felt because he's a dumb ass, but Yeah, I'd really love it if the sf debris was in Invited onto efap your unbridled praise Reprise reminded me of sf debris's video on the jlu episode divided before does that for jlu here couldn't link Uh, yeah, there's a lot of people we want to get a guesting on here. I've not heard of sf debris or it's vaguely familiar But um, oh, he's very good. Well, I mean if he was interested, sure It's like we were literally okay. Okay with any guests coming on, uh obviously The whole debate things is another section. It's very complicated, but um, yeah, we like guest you The easiest question is to is to ask out who we wouldn't have on here Rags your mum gay and that comes from creamy sheave Palpatine The best name ever Uh Jack you don't get to complain about molly using the wrong clips when you don't provide them not to mention you maliciously take him out of context Agreed. Hey molla, and I'm wolf. I love you. Full out 76 video. Here's oh, yeah We did read that one out from your boy creamy sheave I'm sick of jack and eric. Let's watch ballers videos Maybe instead of sniping on twitter jack should have put the evidence to back up his claims in the video Yeah, that would have been preferable Yes, of course. I'm watching from the shower peak future Not sure what that means. How can you do that? How how have you got a device in the shower? Teach me your secrets. Are they saying they have a spider in the shower? Uh, there are actually some I remember going to a hotel once there was a tv in the mirror So maybe that's how I've heard that's a thing in japan. Yeah Maybe I I'd believe it Uh, hey wolf did the lovecraft reference at the beginning of aquaman pissed you off as much as it did for me Is it the beginning of aquaman because the sucky rides like a giant cthulhu monster in that movie, but um That would be an interesting question. I'm sorry. Wolf's not here to answer it Um And if you guys play monster underworld on steam if you or anyone's listening to the superchats once a hunting buddy add me Um, his name is mark the cyborg all one word and mark is m r a r c m a r c We do play Occasionally we did for a we did a while ago. Yeah, we did once right? Yeah, it was fun. I like monster underworld. I just haven't had time to play it. Um, yeah same Jack can't remember his own videos. He just assumes he is always right So he doesn't check his own content for inaccuracies clarity lost six minutes Yeah, it's interesting that um Jack said it was a collection of six minutes and he refers to it as the last six minutes Like hmm seems like you might be trying to move the goalpost a little bit there Uh rags I picked up on the theme of your Fallout 76 video. It's a broken train wreck hashtag themes Yes, and that's why the video is undeniably good Uh, because he has a theme in it. That's how that works right guys. I'm doing this correctly Uh, I just want to see who'd win in a straw man contest between quinton major league Joseph Anderson h bomb a guy and jack and eric. I honestly think jack destroys all of them Oh, yeah, I don't think it's when we go between that because he while he has done straw mans He's he doesn't do them consistently. Yeah, I say that and I've only seen one I'd say the same for joseph anson joseph anson is possibly the best one out of that selection It's just that his own terms are really complicated. I don't think he sees any contradictions within them. Um Yeah, jack's easily the worst out of that selection. Oh, yeah, it's numerous examples too And they're strong bad strong bad Jack and erics terrible show great job had my first day of spring semester today was awful because the lab equipment broke Thank you for making slightly less suicidal rags streams so I can give you the monies I think he is planning to stream uh very soon because he wanted to release the video first and he wants to do one Talking about fallout in general from what I've heard so it is on the way I consider this video welsh on english racism. It's true But commented on jack's video about him taking you out of context And he's asking for examples of him taking you out of context when someone asks for proof even though his twitter shows He knows He what we've shown isn't enough for jack, which means nothing is enough for jack So I'm not sure I can't recommend anything at that point again. Want to reiterate leave jack alone I actually don't even think it's worth even sending him messages that are even friendly at this point Like just leave him alone Yeah, um, you'll use it against you. It's all he does jack the strawman slayer theme theme is the gas structure the engine need both Sure I'm always get I always get confused with analogies like parts of a car that match to storytelling is um Probably things I would change around but I I understand the point There's an anime movie called your name. That is visually stunning with decent writing Fair enough Woof I would forward all star superman for a greatly written comic for western comics Fair enough and then goku shows up and fights luke A good indicator that themes are nebulous and are hard to argue for or against is that most english professors I've asked for the strength of a theme Hmm argue for or against is that most english professors I had asked for the strength of a theme I feel like that was going somewhere and I think it's cut off or something. I'm not sure Uh more or is the potential response to nostalgia critics van helsing review still a thing? Yes, it is We did promise the colonial marines thing and people were like that's never gonna happen Is it and it did eventually happen these things are planned. We're getting there. It's just like Things trip us up along the way, but it's definitely still planned Sorry to bother you as the only one I haven't seen I will watch it on their recommendation to prove how close minded and toxic the efap fandom is excellent I recommend to eric the nazi nutcracker movie nutcracker 3d There you go people giving suggestions eric watch alpha and omega and discuss with wolf Fair enough. Oh god. This one got deleted. I don't know if that's by a model themselves, but I can't see it Mola weren't there supposed to be other parts to that force awakens commentary. What happened? No rush or anything Just curious. Oh, it's on the way six parts. It'll be total part two is coming next Hey, Mola, you're gonna discuss what's up between you and table button I thought it was weird him and b-mass disliking you considering their content B-mass is refusing to speak to me. He really hates me But table button did talk to me for about three hours and I as far as I can tell I'm on good terms with him Unlike we were talking about earlier table button agrees that I've got a principled approach when it comes to ethics While his is based on how much it'll hurt someone's feelings and As much as I think I said something along the lines of like I understand your perspective But it's too inconsistent and it'll cause issues. He said that um, you know as far as he's concerned It's a matter of You can be reasonable and take each situation as as it is and react to how much someone is being hurt by what you're saying and stuff like that So it was an interesting conversation and to be honest, it would have been cool to have it live But I think I'm on good terms with him from what I know Not b-mass though b-mass still hates me. What is a movie a miserable little pile of visuals? Also, did he would see brawley? Uh, no and that is a reference to castlevania. Is it? Supreme of the night. Yeah Bragg's a good dog. Stop being such an asshole, Eric. I'd totally pay to be evap Okay What but what is the red car law oleg and t hish? Yeah, that's from the april fool's video I need some Advil this video is the epitome of it's easy to throw a pebble at someone It takes conviction to shake their hand. Why is it so standard now for people to come out of the gate swinging? I I guess it's a commentary almost on the state of uh discourse In a way I don't know if it's a mic is youtube a microcosm of the state of discourse. Thanks to the internet and the The sheer amount of misinformation and information all at the same time Maybe that's too deep for how long we've been doing this stream If there's two movies without contrivances of equal length, how can we measure quality of both which is better and which is worse So there's two movies without contrivances of equal length. Um What exactly do you mean by equal length or what is the length of a contrivance? Because like you know the contrivance that uh Rose and Finn end up in a prison with the one guy that can help them Uh defeats the first order in them in the manner that they want while also getting them out of the prison Is insane. That's like one of the biggest conveniences you can get or contrivances Um, there's people who will argue that phasma placed him there specifically for that reason And it just highlights the level of like Fandom or or or like worship they'll give the film that they've invented a whole plot line that has no reference and could never even take place How could phasma know That they would be in that particular cell for parking their ship wrong And if she was aware of all this then why wouldn't they have captured them on the ship beforehand when they got so close to the Try all of it's just like oh my god, stop writing stop writing. You're ruining it Like you're making it even worse um A complicated question I can't really give a stronger answer than that, but it's uh, it's complicated to sort of figure out a contrivance of equal length I don't know At least for an hour or more guests appear amazing. See we're getting through it guys All these guests episode 23 is the infinite war Infinity war of e-fab. Are you sure you can't sue for slander? I'll help you pay for the lawyer Uh The I believe the laws with slander are literally you have to prove they knew they were lying which is like Extremely hard to do and uh, I I don't want to sue somebody because of something they said in a video about my videos It feels like I'm trying to ruin their life as opposed to prove a point Yeah, and could you imagine the backlash of that? It's like it's just over youtube videos and he's going to sue I think it would be kind of deserved I think that people should call me out if I sued somebody over something like this as opposed to presenting how they're wrong and moving on Yeah, how the fuck is your format like cinema sins? I don't know. I don't know why they whatever This was a choice The tranq bit jake is make a scenario where he thinks you can be proved a hypocrite in his mind If you criticize tranq girl screwing up and rabing a mary sue. You're a sexist hypocrite So what the difference between never failing and then shooting yourself in the foot? I've By deeming both of them stupid. There's no middle ground Like a character can't be absolutely retarded, but they also can't be a godlike creature Um, that means more than thinks that there's no possible fucking female character even have. It's like, okay There's no middle ground Holy shit, I worked a whole shift cleaned the house cooked in and played with my daughter and you guys are still going Uh, you see the film is good or you get the hose again Oh, now I know that we're getting closer to the actual Finish line here. Here's a few bucks for my favorite long boy. Mola. Why thank you I mean, you could always piece your 15 hour saga in 10 minute shorts. Watch this is homework to prepare for your response I'm glad it was so punctual Um Yeah, I always wonder how they'd react if I made 10 minute pieces for everything I do I think they'd like go insane or do you think that would be something they would be More okay with I don't even know I think it might damage the structure a bit if you were oh, I wouldn't do it personally because I think it does damage it But I'm assuming how they'd react if they if that's the way I did it I see So if you split them in a way that means that they're 10 minute stories every time or 10 minute Assessments that have a start middle finish. I don't know how I would even do that, but I wonder if they'd still hate it. Of course. Um, yeah I'll take your bloated content full of context and throw analysis over this vapid mischaracterization and reduction is straw manning always Well, I appreciate that Because I consider it the superior content to what we've saw today All I wanted to say is that the long man bad video has broken my mind and that death bullshit is here What the fuck man go make an idiot box I read it takes so long and I gotta go back onto an editor after I've just been done editing all day Um, I survived both streams, baby. I'll survive more. Thanks for the laughs today guys Also smug get on efap more love your content and appearances here I always feel this feel bad because it's like I wish I could have everybody every episode I wish I have a hundred guys. I was like, yeah Yeah, there's so many people we still need to bring on for their first episode while also bringing people back for You know additional episodes and then changing up maybe potential combos and having the right content to cover for them It's all very um trying to get things right sort of thing Um, but yeah, you know, I'm glad people enjoying the guests. That's good I think you guys add stuff. So, uh, you know high five We spent 10 10 plus hours with the uh, oh wait, I did read that one out interstellar commentary. When oh, that's gonna come But it's not gonna be a commentary. That's gonna be a full on critique. I have so much to say about that movie So I just had someone tell me that the enlightenment gave us sjw's and communists Therefore we should go back to medieval feudalism and yet this man was more intelligent than jack here Well Can happen She is to all who survived this ordeal. I disagree with that god-awful hair Finally, dude, I just saw y'all go live about eight hours ago at lunch and y'all just finished my ass off when we haven't finished yet Oh, they thought we finished when uh, you reached the stream limit. Oh Well, not quite. Uh, so where do I pick up my I survived metal? metal, sorry Survived the whole eight nine hours beats saber workout. Oh, there you go The comments are the worst so many of them boil down to its art You can't judge it with such vigorous autism taxon makes me sad to be gay. Oh Holy shit, can somebody Can somebody actually do that like go play beat saber with uh fucking evap and I'm pretty sure yeah It'll just be any audio source. They can convert it into a beat saber. Oh, oh, I don't doubt that it could work But can somebody survive? That's a good point 10 hours playing beat saber. Holy shit. Yeah, I don't know if they could survive I really want to try that Mola says objectivity is the degree to which a standard is met How is this not subjective as well as being that art has no rules and different people have different criteria for what is well crafted So there are certain things that you can't get out of with storytelling because Storytelling is a craft whether or not someone else says I disagree with that You'd be like who created this craft You'd be like you can't um, so how do I put this like you're trying to make I think we said this in the last evap Like I'm gonna make a curry and you get a bowl and then you start pouring in milk and they're like Oh, okay, and then you put in some apples and you're like this is a curry and you're like, yes This is a curry and you drop some pears in there And you and you're just like this this seems like a cheerios You're like you're making a cereal and then they start pouring like liquid hot magma and then you're like, okay Now I'm just confused and it's like my curry and you're like that's not a curry though And they're like we'll buy your subjective standard. Sure, but my subjective standard. This is a curry and you'll be like Right Yeah, it's a science as well as an art Yeah, uh, there are standards that have been created and are in line and um at the very least even if you thought that everything was subjective If you present your standards and remain consistent to them that is still more useful than saying there's no rules and everything is anything That's way better than what we've been given at least in this video Yeah, and uh, but again, one of the most fundamental Aspects of telling a story progression The reason we see the things at the beginning of a movie is usually because we need them to get to the middle of a movie And that's usually because we need those to get to the end of the movie If I showed you the last scene of Return of the Jedi And that was it Or if I said to you guys, here's my story Luke Skywalker defeats Darth Vader, but he doesn't kill him because he sees the good in him That is my story you're like Who are these people I'm like What do you don't understand? That's the payoff. That's the emotional. That's all I need, right? Do you think about the themes? You're like, I don't know who what the fuck you even talking about So yeah, the and and I understand the temptation to be like it's all subjective really though and it's like just Just got to take it really slowly and talk about all these things through because there's loads of loads and loads of But storytelling is huge as a fucking craft Loads of things to explore and that's that's kind of what EFAP in a way has been trying to explore casually when Um, I'm still making my videos to explore it in a more coherent straightforward manner Even though I know Loads of people would be like that's coherence and straightforward. I'm like, oh, you know I know it's long man bad, but still um Is it possible for you to get fat man falling on stream wall at both of you make similar content But somehow also vastly disagree on what its objective I don't know what's Really wait, you're not aware of this. He really doesn't like me If both of you have different perspectives on what's objective, that's pretty strange Wait, so the charges that he actually agrees that objective exists, but he has a different take on it That would be interesting That that is yeah, I'd be curious Um, yeah, I mean if he's in if he's interested we could set something up A chase face if you caved into peer pressure and like milk off more than six pack like a bro Would you prefer chocolate strawberry or whole milk express yourself? I think you pick all three personally um He's either eating or asleep now, but definitely all three To prevent beings like you was that director that face face The guy who's here before he left To prevent beings like jack and eric is the reason why some animals eat their own young. That's an interesting theory, but that's not objective Just your opinion e-fap trilogy movie when Maybe we should do that e-fap one two and three and we can call them the um Fellowship of the fap the two faps and the return of the fact I thought das bullshit was dead. No, he's alive and well right here Yeah, man typical mohler just because your nation has shakespeare with stories retold for centuries means you're better than everyone talk about white power What I mean, how do you know shakespeare identified as white? Ah shit i'm pretty late. I'll have to catch up later. How's everyone doing love y'all moley? Your voice is offensively welsh a sleepy englishman Thank you and uh What do you want to do guys he said how is everybody so I demand you guys answer that question Ah, we're awake All right That's that then I I was impressed by those answers. I guess I should answer it too. I am doing well. I am very tired And I will be going to sleep after this. Uh, we we get to the end of the I'm supposed to say the e-faps the super chats Brain running on fumes. Thanks for great stream fab mohler's no spark. Well, you're no joe dirt Got him But yeah, it sucks because I always talk about how I'm basically spark And I never use emotions and and yet people say I'm no spark. It's so offensive because like that's the only thing I ever try to be This is a serious question for smud boy if mohler caught you staring at his supple welsh man butt, but card let But card let him know your true feeling and have to play it off. What would you say? I think you have me confused with someone else That's a that's a simultaneously meta comment and it would actually work as an answer to So um, I think that was a very clever response, but Uh, aren't they the proponents for emotional storytelling? How can they how can that guy actually say that? Cutting away from luke was a benefit His argument was that we do it already We knew he was sad. So there's no point I don't um, I don't yeah, I don't follow it mohler negative comments on the stars and orderings show that you have no idea What you're talking about unsubscribed objectively. Yeah, it killed my channel to do that You madman 10 hours e-fap loved every minute though Oh, I'm glad e-faps are like real-time strategy survival game full out 76 eat your heart out I mean if you can survive Oh my god, we're getting right next to like the last ones. Ironic you could save others from long videos, but not himself Go a full go for a 24 hour stream and get it under your belt um Adam garner posted a bunch of milk and said because I can Sub to jarrod not quentin tarantino I think he means quintan Day is right. I feel asleep and woke up again Fell asleep and woke up again and you are still streaming. Mm-hmm fell asleep halfway. Had an e-fap dream. Don't ask Rhinomilk Taking a cue cue from mohler. I sat down and took notes on my most hated film man of steel I have 10 pages worth of notes mostly bad and I'm honestly tempted to turn it into a video wish me luck go for it Just fucking do it man. I wish more people would talk about the subjects. They are really passionately invested in I feel like that's when we create our best work Um instead of being like I don't know hey mohler. I like to take on tlj Can you now do this movie that uh, I would like you to do and then I'm like, I've never even heard of it and they're like Yeah, but you know Then I'm like, if you see it then you could be passionate about it I'm not saying it's bad for them to do that I think it's completely reasonable for them to ask the end of the story was basically going to be that If I have no investment in it and I don't even know anything about it And even if I watched it and it was the same result of no passion It's just like I could make a video but it's just not going to be anywhere near as good because I won't care as much if you know what I mean Yeah, it's like uh, someone recommending a book and you're like, well that doesn't interest me at all with it Oh, it gets better it gets better and maybe it will and you'll keep reading it But in most cases you'll just be like, uh, the first chapter didn't really Attract me. I'm gonna stop So You have to have some sort of interest and passion to go through the whole thing Yeah, it's like my friends recommend to me like game of thrones. I'm like, well, I'm it's not really for me It's not my thing it's like but it gets good at season four and like I tried seasons one through three and I didn't like it Dude, I've tried so hard If you didn't like seasons one through three, then I'd say yeah, you better stop because it's much worse. Uh, but okay Um If you had to explain efab to a normal person or someone new that stumbled into the middle of it How would you describe it? Um a wholesome podcast where Typically four people uh watch a video and share what they think are the pros and cons of it And then allow them to experience the memes without any context just because it'd be funny Efab has improved my life. Thanks efab crew Kind um the streamed had lost it through my night's sleep It's near its end the last super chat says Thanks for giving me something to listen to at work guys. Do you mind starting around the same time tomorrow? I have another boring shift Let's do it. There's a good chance There will be an efab now for the rest of this week and until the end of next week. So Before a while, um, and then erics do it with spank me welsh man spank me until I'm Beautiful And there we go folks. It is completed. That is our coverage of eric taxon and jack sainz complete annihilation of my uh my video um, I think the video speaks for itself for his quality Filled with strawmans and taking out of context, which was kind of the point of this stream to show Uh, how we put things back into context and then it damages their arguments and it makes you wonder then Where were these things when they created it and you'd be like, well, I guess they just didn't They just ignored it or they accidentally missed it Whatever interpretation you want That's another long man. Do you feel annihilated? Sorry, what was that? Do you feel annihilated? Yes, I'm tired They got me Moloch, can I draw you a fessona, please? You're welcome to do whatever you want, but I mean I don't expect a certain reaction. I don't know what it might turn out to be You whatever you want silvia silva silva. Look at what your fessona be Uh Well, the the only animal we've got is the molrus right now Oh, yeah, that's 100% what it used to be Um, but whatever whatever their imagination would like to use it for So yes, thank you for anybody who who watched this far. It's insane of you to do so and obviously thanks to rags wolf j smud boy chaseface and desperate for all Arriving to do it. Um, I guess I should say that Do you want to do you want to talk about your channels again because this is the end of this part now? Why not? You know, I feel like it makes sense um, we'll go Jay first because this is the actual ending now. Jay. This is the one we've got to really sell the channel You know, I feel like I've overdone the joke of Of saying that it's garbage of it. You're gonna never say it's good It's garbage. Um, I I think that uh, one of my videos is okay. Um, and that needs to be appreciated Go and find that one guys Yeah, that's honest of you. That's good. If you're interested in long not long I don't know. I I'm I've been up for I know I don't feel right now jay if you're interested in fucking, uh essentially shorter form responses to uh critics on youtube who are Uh, either saying some bullshit or saying something that I poke into Then that's what I do. Uh, I'll let you decide if I do it well or not. Uh, spoiler. I don't I'm garbage Uh, smug boy go ahead Oh, uh, I've stolen my cotour plot analysis and I've been taking a cue from moller and Do my own smudstream on saturday at 2 p.m. EST and some people have been calling it, uh Uh S frame of pause or some frames of pause? I don't know why some frames Also, I sorry, I fucked up the the copy paste. That's his channel. I've attached s bullshits channel to it now as well any other ones that um The second post. Yeah, he um, I like I I think I said it the last time you're here But you know an intro from if you like my stuff to jump over to a small boys channel Will be to check out his video on patrick williams I would imagine because you can get a um another take on that And then from there be like, you know what? I'll try out anything that he's made because it's uh It's like a primer from stuff. Maybe if you enjoy for me um And yeah, and then that's the podcast so Uh, finally that despo shit if you want to do Whatever you'd like to do, uh, do you want do you want to do you like to say potentially pimp or just say Hello Hello, um, my channel isn't really for discussion or anything I've dabbled in a couple of reviews on games I was particularly passionate about but the fast majority of my channel is animation based Like gary's mod animation. I still plan to do that. I don't really think of I'll Go into source filmmaker for much But I haven't uploaded anything in a few years now So don't sub until I've stopped being a fucking pussy and uploaded something. So, uh But if you want to check it out if you haven't if you think gmod animation is funny to you, uh Give it a look, but you're not going to find a whole lot of discussion there. So it's But it is what it is. I will eventually upload when I stop being a pansy. All right And I think that's everything I hesitate to say it like There are some memes in the chat that I believe we haven't looked at Memes go through all the memes right now all the videos. Let's do it. You mean memes and twitter Oh, there is something on twitter. There is this long man bad, of course I put some memes in the discord chat The discord Oh, right. Okay. I can grab some of these. All right, everyone Talk about something random. So it makes it look like I'm not wasting I'm trying to collect these things Well, I think there was a gentleman who wanted to ask moller to Edit one of his stories. I'd be happy to do that if anyone has any stories They're Interesting getting published or curious about how to do so on amazon I'd be happy to help out. I'd be happy to edit get you going with that Get you an editor I've been helping some people out in my channel as well with that so it's going okay for them So, yeah, anyone who has any scripts or manuscripts, uh, like me, I'd look at I'd be happy to I have one of those Oh, really? Well, I say have um, I have a plot over here at this point Oh, well, I'd be happy to look at it if you got it That would be absolutely lovely. Okay. Someone just give a super chat for moller and ask me about cotor 2 Um, I do agree cotor 2 is better than 1 Um better actual better themes believe it or not But uh, but crea is actually one of the best characters in video gaming. I would say and she's female So it uh, it works out if you're left leaning or right leaning. I don't really care But it is really that good. It's made by the creators of Fallout so chris avalon or the original fallout chris avalon was one of the storytellers for there And he's an excellent job and pretty much Um, that is the definitive star wars game In terms of storytelling in terms of lore of star wars. So if you love Anything in the star wars lore or the star wars movies You should directly head over to playing the original biore game and then the obsidian game So cotor 1 and 2 Uh, so there's a couple of of these I guess we got the first one. Um Am I missing context for this one? What's with the rhino who's like a blob of green? That was right at the beginning of the stream when we were talking about how I had my butt and then we talked for the boneless rhino Ah, I remember now I like that there's an erect hand flaccid version of this That's funny. That's good. Yeah and we've got Drawing the if this was drawed up quickly. I mean, I say quickly over 12 however hours Uh of jj banks decent gonna be very messy. Me. No watching by I think that says trooper tk on discord. Um Yeah, I appreciate your work You'll join Then the the adorable artists who's made a few of these before but so Moeller face mon mothma clothing and mothra as a back Adorable I was from that's from flawless Niko that's that's pretty it really is they they make a lot of very cute little uh There's like one meme per stream from what I can tell so far As well, I mean all of these all the people making these memes Uh, but they they feel like memes a lot of them this one, uh, the More mothma one actually seems like something that you would see made just for artistic purposes. Yeah. Yeah They're really high quality. Some of these is amazing. Um The some of the some of the efab meme videos like Surprise us. We're just like wow. You must have taken a long time to pick this and it's all for the sake of memes Um, which is wonderful. Yeah The uh, the long man bad it says critique moeller is just this tentacle monster and it's it's I think it's jack sleeping It's like having nightmares about the long man You see this is a physical notebook it's in so I really like the idea that Uh, this notebook is gonna get like just put away somewhere and it's gonna stay there for 10 20 years Later someone's gonna find it and look at this and go What the fuck archaeologists will dig it up one day This will be the only surviving artifact of our culture after the apocalypse Study this to Will become god Um, and yeah, I'm happy to say that is the complete Double efab is we we nearly reached on the second part a length that would be considered a full efab It's just 20 minutes away. So uh And that puts us We're half an hour away from the full 12 hours or at least we didn't start exactly day. So it's not necessarily but I think we reached 11 hours. I think that's probably safe to say Longest efab in history you out. You did beat the eight hour one from rags and wolf jay So me and you are the longest efappers. How about that? I survived Um, but yes, I literally had to stop twice to have a lie down one of which was on the floor because I was feeling He's the one who made the uh He's it's I think he said his video is star of the last Jedi like is the One of the biggest cinematic failures in history or something like that I've seen that it's a very amusing video. It's like 20 minutes of just rapid fire arguments about how awful the film is It's the kind of thing I'd recommend if you wanted the quick version of like My five hours. Basically. It's like go for it because it's like delivered quite fun. But hello, veto. Um, we've been The whole thing about guests. We've just been talking about uh, you're you're you're definitely in consideration to be coming on here I don't know if you're interested or not. I but but We're getting around to it. I like your video. It's very amusing Um, but this is literally the end of the stream. We've been going for a just over 11 hours. I believe Nice to see you, but yes, uh, I suppose it's time to say goodbye folks Uh, thank you very much for all of the generous donations and the very kind Comments of support as well as just me being along with us. It's very entertaining for us as well as, um Creating content for um for the channel and stuff. So, um again If anybody would still be listening at this point who really hates the channel. I just be like The idea for these streams was to try and expose what uh, we were talking about let me say we're taking out a context We did it for wolf free fap in general and for my videos like three different times I don't know what else I can do at that point. Uh, so the people who are concerned about me responding to criticism through e-fap It's like, yeah, well, we're not going to do it all the time. But um, it should be down for a while now I wouldn't be surprised if jack made a follow-up video or something of the kind and it fits the kind of shit where it's like, um You don't understand anything that I meant and all of these things We're taking out a context because blah blah blah. It's just be like we'll probably just not respond As we said at the beginning 11 hours ago There are a couple of videos that have been made that we've checked out and been like this is too bad to explore There's nothing to work with here. So again, hopefully that's reassurance. Um The next e-fap. I don't know what it's going to be about. I don't know who's guessing and there's more e-fap gaming on the way so, um Fun ahead, I suppose fun times But yeah, let's do the arrival debate literally now We can that could be the next e-fap Can we do that jay becomes like practically a fucking tertiary member of e-fap at that point. It's like i'm five But yeah, we do want to do that eventually too. You have to set up your podcast before we can do that, right? Sure. Yeah, so we don't want to rush that. We've got to get that going first. Um But yeah, uh, thank you all for for coming and for all the guests and I have to say special thanks to jay for being able to make it for this long. It's kind of ridiculous I should have done that And That's I I can't I don't know how long I should say goodbye before I just end stream So i'm gonna i'm gonna do it now guys. It's been fun and I will see you around Goodbye Goodbye everyone