 Cool looks like we should be live. Thanks everyone for joining another episode of the Excuse me OpenJS Foundation's cross-project council meeting Today's the second day of the third month Yeah, thanks everybody for joining How about we get started with some announcements Oh We have lots of them today So first off tomorrow is the JS trends panel that we're doing This is gonna go out on YouTube like our AMAs Really excited about this. It's a continuation of that panel that we've been doing last couple years at OpenJS world and Alex Williams and Liz Parity and Chris Andacek and Nick Misi are all gonna Just get together and talk and we had sort of like a preview chat yesterday that was super fun So if you're available to You know tune in for that live would love to have you But also just be on the lookout and help us promote that because it's gonna be super it'll be a fun combo So that's that's tomorrow at like 11 or noon Eastern One Eastern I'm trying to get all my time together. I think it's 10 Pacific noon central one Eastern Dylan's not on this call Dylan's on Pacific for this. Oh, that's right Not to mention every other time zone in the world, but go on Okay, so so the next things are the standards working group is Meeting next week and we've got lots of Comments and so far on our different strategic directions. We've talked to several projects. We still want to talk to more projects So if you are at all interested in informing how the standards working group can impact You know web standards or also provide value to your projects Please let us know in the hash standards channel and slack workspace so we can set up time to talk We also use freshly this morning have two proposals that we want to develop for further review So if you're interested in getting involved, please Please chime in and let us know It also happens that next week we conflict with the CPC working group meeting, which is next Tuesday as well so we're gonna have to just Do do a little switch up and watch the issues for an update on the standards working group time Change so that we can make that happen and then books club. That's another thing. That's happening We're gonna make a thing if you're interested in talking about naughty egg balls latest book Working in public. We're tentatively scheduling that for March 24th And so that's going to go on the public calendar Or if you just want to share books or papers or things you've been reading the hashtag Book club channel in slack is quite fun. We're having a good time So join us for a book club meeting. We'll talk about that. You can have tea or wine whatever your time zone and then Open JS world Well, I want to say thank you to everybody who submitted We're in the act of reviewing CFPs right now and thank you to those who are taking time to do that And the programming committee is meeting again on Thursday We meet every Thursday and we'd love to have you Just again, these are events that are on the public open JS calendar So you can add that to your calendar and get the notification in your local time and that's what I have for an outfit today Yeah, and not only, you know We have the meeting coming up, but also we're looking for folks to help review CFPs, right? So if anybody wants to help, please let us know and You know the more the merrier there for sure Cool Anything board related? We had the board meeting last week. I don't remember anything specific. Sarah. Do you remember anything? No, nothing decided that I'm still new to this but nothing decided that I That I think is new to this to this group Congratulations on your first meeting Sarah. Thank you. Thank you. I learned a lot great great great great I'm cool So I Will jump into the agenda then And the first thing on the list here is criteria to move to emeritus Or however people say that I think some people say it differently, and I never know what's right in the world So this is an issue I'm trying to catch my brain up here Did we have a PR that references this to yeah, there's a couple things here Toby created an off-boarding checklist which was Merged and then we have the emily created a two-thirds vote for emeritus require consent rather than two-thirds vote There's Some comment wasn't that blocking on board approval. Yeah, that reminds me we did have the vote on that And that's something we should have brought that so yes that that was approved the the question that actually came up was With or without the comments because there's some comments making suggestions So the net was the board approved this with or without the comments so we should either Accept the two comments that are there and land or not accept the two comments and land And it would be good for us to decide which and then you know if we want to change it after that we would potentially need to go back for another vote Um, and so another vote would be you know, it could be done over email or something. So yeah, we can do it over email if we want to You know that we've hopefully maximized the chances here of You know if there's consensus to you know, Toby had made a couple of suggestions, right? You know, it's basically in cases where there's lack of project ownership a two-third vote from this piece required in cases A slightly bigger change was what was being suggested Yeah, Toby do you want to comment here? Yeah, I was trying to find the issue. Sorry. Um Yeah, I think essentially what I'm what I was suggesting was um to Be more clear about the fact that if the project maintainers didn't respond the cpc could just make a decision by itself Um, and then both and you know, just simplified in all cases um The it was consensus driven and didn't necessarily require a two-third of the voices in one case and the other because I just didn't really see Why one case would need more of an agreement than the other? I think I wanted to weigh in just to share um contextually That this has occurred twice so far in our foundations um history where our project has wanted to move into emeritus in one case the project maintainers were interested in in moving on and we're either going to transition the project to emeritus or Or if they weren't able to find Um maintainers to take over the project We were able to do that and so we transitioned that to new leadership and the project just still going strong as an out large And then the second case is this more recent case with pet where we've actually I should say I've actually been working with Patrick lock and some of the folks in the jQuery side for several months preparing for these final kind of Things and just didn't do a very good job surfacing that that was That this was going to happen Um, so, you know, I think we've had two different examples of sort of like the next the project moving to a different thing, uh, and that we can kind of learn from So the um Should we make a decision on these comments or um, I think that would be good like if we can agree and and just land because We either have like delay if we don't agree with one of the two which is like with or without the comments um And I don't know if we need to delay Unless people are like have strong feelings kind of thing one way or the other I mean, this is not a big issue, right? No, like I literally like you can Yep, you know personally I just added a comment because I thought I wouldn't it made more sense this other way But like I literally like don't care Yeah, and that's where I'm like if people just look at it and say yes Let's just add them and land it if people don't immediately say you see Yes, let's land it as is and you know, we could handle is the follow on if we think it's important I think if it brings more clarity then we should just accept that and move forward Yeah, I'm a plus one for just adding those comments All right, well, we got a couple plus ones. Um, cool. Well, let's just do that then Okay, so I will add a comment saying, you know, we agreed to We agreed to add in the cpc meeting There was And based on the board further To a follow on Well, I maybe drop that in the notes too. Um I will uh move on Yep, the next issue is 7 11 um This is rename master branches Uh, we've got a uh checklist here So this is an issue. Um, and we've got a checklist here that has a few things left over Toby you've got Michael did a whole bunch of work. So thank you for that and and then there's a later on checklist That's um We've only got a couple of checked off as well Yeah, I I've been following that so I can speak a little bit to it Sendil's been doing a lot of work in terms of submitting prs. So thank you very much for that. Thank you I'm I'm what I wanted to request here was sort of a mass fast track Um, you know, it seems to me this is this falls into the we're not really changing anything category um, and so how can we like Not have to chase people to get you know approvals and all that like maybe we can sort of Hear doing approval to land all of these What do people think with that or is it like it's perfectly fair to say no no no Let's just follow their standard process too. I'm just thinking of like, how do we How do we efficiently handle things which really aren't changing anything in terms of, you know actual content? So I'm happy to do mass fast track here I just think the question is getting like the right eyeballs to check that we're not making mistakes Um, and I also don't think it's a common enough issue to actually like add some process to do this Let's just do it for this time and be done with it Exactly. It's a one-timer And if we actually break something well, there'll be a broken link somewhere, right? Like I don't think it's a huge impact either. So I'm the web a broken link Exactly. It'll be the first one, right Yeah Let's go ahead. I was going to say these these are all like a lot of just, you know, mastered ahead changes and I'm all for just kind of moving forward on those so maybe what I was suggesting is I can open an issue which is like One issue which is like fast track approval for these set of links And if a few people can just sort of go through and plus plus one not You know, we'll we'll assume that like two or three TSC member You're sorry CPC members doing that is enough and then we can go land them all that makes sense Yeah, and um The links would be links to the prs that are making the changes and the Assumption would be anybody who kind of gave the fast track approval also went through and just looked at them and and you know kind of verify that that's There's nothing beyond those those kind of uh search and replace sort of things Yeah, basically have done enough to say yeah comfortable these lands, right? Yeah, okay Yeah, if you could just make that clear in the comments. Um, I'd be happy to help there So if you have anything, you know tag me or whatever and I'll jump in sure Yeah, I'll basically create an issue copy that we've got right now eight prs So I'll just copy the links which are in this issue in the fast fast track request I'll ccu and cpc in general and you know, hopefully we'll get two or three people and then go ahead and land Sounds good. That's good. Okay And then um, does that wrap up this issue would that wrap up this issue as well? There's still a couple like there's open gs user feedback that somebody needs to take a look at Okay, and test easy cla. So if you look at that list, there's two Two which are private. So I think actually the private ones are probably Okay, since they're not public anyway um So the the last two public ones I think we really want to look at are these the cla and the user feedback So once we we look at those and have a pr then you can close them out. Okay, cool. That makes sense um I can try to look at those soon and then we can maybe include it in that fast track Sounds good All right, great um excellence uh, this issue i'm surprised to see is um 707 this is the primary cpc director election which is closed and I closed it a few minutes ago Thank you Improving diversity and inclusion at the uh open j.s foundation We've kind of worked on this in a couple of working sessions so if sarah or toby or anyone else wants to um Give any sort of you know Bit of an update. Uh, that'd be great Are you want to go ahead Yeah, either of us is great. I think so uh last we met we talked about Opening the survey past just the cpc as it's such a small group that it would be easy to identify Who we are it's not very anonymous um our Goal so our next step is next steps. I understand them. Toby correct me if i'm wrong are to Find someone that could work with us um on the data science level to make sure that any That we're being thoughtful about Uh survey data In general as well as to have things reviewed by the legal team when they are ready Um, I do not believe we have a final version of the survey. Toby. Am I? And we got so So now that we so that may be next steps Um, we can spend next week working on it or we can actually maybe take a stab sometime over the next few days Getting at least a first version together. Um, so that we can spend next week discussing it. I think Uh, yeah That's as as much as I view of next steps Yeah, I think that that makes sense. I I frankly felt a bit overwhelmed by The complexity of actually running a survey like this following our conversation last week What's interesting, however, is I was in the in w3c's equivalent of This discussion this afternoon and they're exactly look, you know, exactly at the same place as we are Uh, thinking I would be really useful to do a survey to understand our membership better and see, you know What's up and who's doing what and and ask essentially asking the same questions. So it feels like there was some Interesting opportunities in the future to to have discussions with them. They suggested joining our call Um next week if we're open to that. So I don't know if that's actually possible. I imagine it is Um, but I think, you know, that might be like an interesting way forward to actually Create some assets that could be and and process that could be used by multiple organizations Not just ours and also maybe share the workload a bit more Yeah, I think that's fantastic that they join. Uh, We did. Uh, Jory and I talked to our legal counsel about that. We do have gdpr data retention issues Uh, to consider Best practices on right anonymization Aggregation and then how do you dump that data? How do you handle it? And we actually will be doing have more resources inside the linux foundation on research They're initially recommending our legal counsel that we look at a third party who does that who can handle it safely So lots of things to consider But yeah, I think we should probably reconvene next week. I don't know if you would have an urgency to create that Testing tool just yet until we solve the data privacy issue That sounds like a good plan. So maybe as next steps, uh, just have a conversation next week again Sounds good Wonderful Great And thank you for checking into all of that. That's great. It's great to have clarity because I felt that we were Like missing a lot of clarity there. So that that's a great, um outcome. Thank you Yeah, so I yeah, I think it's pretty clear that we're As we are today, I don't think we're equipped to to collect and you know manage that data So we have some work to do Awesome. Thank you. So if I could repeat that so if I could repeat that back to you So I think that makes a lot of sense. Um, and I think being thoughtful about the stuff is great. Um, would you say probably the In the meantime, do you think our best next course of action is I know you put together a list of resources that are super valuable I can imagine that those resources might be helpful to share if people were looking for help in their particular project, I suppose Uh a question for people in this group who are involved in projects is is this something people are looking for? Is this something that would be received? Well, um, is this something that it seems like people are interested in? Um, you know, we've been focusing on maybe proving a need to people before providing them With the resources. I wonder if we uh, if it makes sense to skip that part Or you know while we're learning about it in the meantime Provide resources So that's oh, sorry go ahead I was just gonna ask so the is this the like Let's move ahead without waiting for the survey type data or is it something different than that? Um, I just wondering if it would if that would make sense Yes, if if we feel like the survey data If we feel like these things need to happen in a specific order Or if with the survey data once we have the sort, you know, like if the survey data will influence the resources that we share Or if you know, we can identify the problem we can identify if there is a problem kind of async If that's if that's beneficial, right? Okay. So I want to clarify like the thought I had since the last meeting was That the I don't think we need data to Agree that there's something we should address, right? Like I think everybody's you know We're not we're not trying to figure out if there's something to address or not The the value of the data in my mind at least is Being able to show going forward that what we've done has actually made a difference So in that context, I'm like totally on the we should define what we want to do It shouldn't wait on getting data or anything like that The data should just be something that says like a year from now we can we can say that These five things which we did actually change the numbers Um, so I think that's a long way of saying, you know, I agree with the idea of just moving forward without blocking anything on that So I agree with you, Michael and Jay I'd like to point out that the other part of the conversation that we had at w3c today Was precisely about this question, right? So how what do we share? Why is it useful to a constituency? Do we do they care about it? How can they help? How much do we share? Do we do that now, etc? right, so um, uh, I think uh, you know that really brings me to think that a conversation If we can bring some of w3c's people over it would be great to so try to solve these You know have their input to that too And to be clear one of the questions that was brought up is How much do we share like how much is it good to share? Is it good to share like A lot of information at the risk of sort of like overwhelming people was like things that they're supposed to do Do you just share like, you know, tiny amounts to really help sort of like guide people through like, you know Succeeding steps like how do you do that? That was also questions that were asked Yeah, I think that's that's a key a key point Like I think, you know The simpler the better in my mind is the I know I know with your face with like, hey go read this hundred things and get on top of the whole issue That's some much bigger ass than here are three things you can do to help, right? Makes sense Yeah, I mean, I think yeah, I think I Yes, I also think that like I think the question is is that valuable or is that noise? I know I got it's I think it's hard to Establish that figure out what the answer to that is There's a symbolic dimension to having an organization like ours actually, um, you know publicly put out resources though Um, both in terms of what that says and also in terms of like vetting some resources at the expense of others That's also something to consider Yeah Robin, do you know anyone at chaos by any chance or do you have any, um Yeah, I know george at chaos Do you think they would be interested in partnering? Is that a crazy idea? No, I think we would be a great sort of real world use case. I do encourage you all to read Their content because they have some pretty good documentation. It's pretty concise So we're not starting at zero, but yeah, I'm sure they would partner with us So I'll invite him or one of his folks to our next planning session. That sounds amazing. That would be really helpful I think as uh, I don't want to speak for all of us, but I've definitely heard from everyone individually that um We're a little bit out of our depth, but really well intentioned Sometimes that is very dangerous Yeah Yeah, yeah, this I'm glad we're having like a frank discussion about this topic today because I I felt uh You know the same concern Jory you dropped something in the chat I did um, so this is adjacent to this conversation But um, there's a community on this sustain oss discord That's been meeting around, you know diversity equity and inclusion um You know the topic did your um and one of the things that um, they're kind of trying to build out which is related to And what we've been discussing is sort of like a checklist of things that projects can do And to signal that they are Uh a welcoming community and so this is just a hack and deal with some of that initial pivot things so to speak and so if you were interested in Helping to fill that out. I'm sure this could possibly be useful But again adjacent to what we're doing not the not the same Um, if anybody could drop maybe just a couple of bullet points into the dock for uh, this issue That might be helpful um And otherwise well, we'll we'll we'll we'll talk about next week's working session in a few minutes once we get through our agenda um So in the interim I'll I'll move on unless we want to talk about this any further Cool Great, so uh, moving on the um next item is google summer of code 2021 The the deadline is passed. So I don't know if we should just close this issue Um Does anybody have any objections to that I'm not sure, you know, brian's not here. I'm not sure if we've had Any interest So I will close it. Yeah, I would say just close it. Cool. Um, next up is, uh, the Provide implementation guides for dco and cl a Toby would I would I refer to you on this or is brian working on this? Yeah, no, like, um, I I did my part like we're just waiting on brian to do it's been so long I I I don't remember what it is. But like I know like I don't have anything to do with it anymore Yeah, yeah And I don't mean this by the way just to be clear it's like this on on brian not having done the thing Like there's a whole bunch of reasons why it's like it's been taking time I just I it's I don't remember what it is about anymore. Like he had to do something And I don't know what it is. So just there was an upstream PR series of prs that he was making into the pro bot dco bot Which is a fun thing to say pro bot dco bot and those were being reviewed and Incorporated so that we could then have a dco bot tool that we recommended out that was the that was the thing that we were blocked on Do you have so much more context than I do? I'm just glad you provided that. Thank you Yeah, I've been having good conversations with the maintainer on that so oh great and and you know recently or or Okay, great. So it's it's still a hot tata um maybe Jory if or someone could just pop a little note in this issue that would be great even though I know, you know Brian has more context something might be helpful Cool, um, and then last on the agenda is the sunsetting checklist Uh, moving over to the project status Repository and cleaning up some templates. We've got some approvals here and it's I'm at the time limit. So it could land but folks want to take a look at it. They're they're welcome to It's really feeling me straight forward, right? It's the other thing that we agreed to just brought to that repository as it should be So there's there's like nothing new in there So it sounds like Toby if you want to go ahead and land and You know if there's no more comments by tomorrow or something you should feel free to do that Okay, I'll lend it the next time I look at it perfect uh So that is it for our agenda um We maybe had jory remembered the half thing that's uh, she was going to mention Um, and then we can talk about next week's working session, which is perhaps related Uh, yes. So I we did want to report that we had one issue from a code of conduct issue surface from a project that was delegated to the reports group And we are taking a moderation action um for on behalf of the grant project And but we also agreed in our conversation that is part of our like transparency a process that we should probably start reporting to the cpc When these groups meet and take an action. So just uh transparently reporting that that's that's happened or happening Great Thank you. Um I uh, so it seems like there's d and i work that we could do for um next week And I there was mention of maybe working on moderation Uh In some working session, but maybe uh, we just save that For a future working session Sorry what moderation Um, the the the the coc report recently and just kind of you know making sure that's um Our processes in place, uh, and that we handle things properly and that we we have you know, maybe even document some more about Reporting to the cpc and whatnot just kind of making sure that we're doing our due diligence And we kind of did some work and then we let it sit and then now something happened and I I want to make sure that we're doing things right and uh that that were Things were properly documented and such That's great. I'm actually yeah, that's that's great that we're thinking about it I don't know if I miss a meeting or if this is another context. Um, I'm not aware of that situation, but I think that seems if if if the focus is d and i support and um Uh, that seems like I don't want to to be I'd love to hear your thoughts and I don't mean to hijack But if focus is d and i support, um, the that seems like a uh Really good Not to crack as well. Um, I wonder if we could do both or I wonder if we could uh I I just I just pasted two links in which is our current like we do have a documented process Yeah, yeah, yeah links in I think you know the joe mentioned We might need to we discussed some updates that I don't think we just closed on them. So Yeah, I think with a lot of our processes they were developed when the foundation was formed And this is the first time that we've applied a real world Scenarios you just learn and so you again you may have to do some more documentation Or just clarification. So yeah, and I I I this um I don't know how to say this but um, I think if if like so for example, sarah If you have an interest in this sort of work, I I know, you know If you wanted to be on that email list and a part of the group that's Response to these sorts of things or anyone on the call. I think it's fair to say, you know, just let us know and we'll include you Yeah, please. I do that. Um It's kind of my job My day job. So that sounds great great If the questions sarah that you asked earlier was shouldn't we work on this next week because there's an emergency Instead of on something else and also these two things are related i.e. a broken code of conduct is not really A conducive to an inclusive environment, I think that's a very good point Right, and I I don't think um, I mean, you know, it's probably actually more effective to um organize The calls that we want to do was uh, george from chaos and and the w3c And like it was a longer time span than a week anyway Um, you know, so maybe we can, you know, do all of these things in parallel and focus on this next week Jory yeah, I just want to clarify and Our process actually Has worked really well. It's just it's highlighted and some gaps that we want to fill so We're the group and the reporter are very pleased with our sla on this so far. So, uh, this has actually been Good, but it's highlighted some things that we can improve on and I just want to just say that Out loud. There's no this was not a broken process this time sorry Yeah, and there is a lesser sense of urgency to as a result, I assume Yeah, I wouldn't consider it urgent. I just thought since it's topical since it's fresh, you know Maybe it makes sense to just clarify some things review discuss It does seem like it's a good like, you know, when when it's fresh in the minds This is a good time. Yeah, and it seemed to me Correct me if I'm wrong, but with with the other initiative It wouldn't be bad to wait a week, you know, like toby said plan to meet with somebody some folks and and You know come regrouped Yeah, and uh, you know as it was, um, I think it's important to Like this is actually something that has concrete impact on how people feel in the community Yeah Which is kind of different than running a survey Yeah in terms of impact And I think immediately kind of, you know, for lack of a better term Retrospecting um, and and taking it very seriously also is good great, so then, um, the plan will be to, uh, Work on that next week and, um Tentatively plan for more d and i work Of the following working session If you can share upfront the timings of both of those so that I don't screw it up when I actually reach out to people to try to get them involved That would be wonderful. I was gonna just say the same thing or tell me maybe you and I coordinate Sure offline. I mean, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, okay And to be clear the working sessions now are in the calendar, uh, the open js calendar Um, and it's essentially the working session is always at the same time In the following week of the most recent meeting so like this time Next week And then, you know, when we do the earlier meeting the immediately following working session is at that same time If that makes sense I feel like I make it more confusing when I actually say it out loud Uh, but that's part of the reason why I put in the calendar so Um, and then I think if we get to a point where we don't have anything for next week's working session I would just go and delete that calendar invite so that it's not on people's calendar Cool, um Maybe jory, uh, you and I can offline async, uh, just you know, uh, some sort of agenda for next week and Great. Is there anything else that we want to or need to talk about? I can't think of anything Well, there's like a ton but like for today in the next 15 minutes probably not If we're being honest, yeah Um cool, well then I'll let everybody go unless anybody wants to hang out and chat um I'd love to hang out and chat for a few But yeah, but only people want to I'm a thousand percent sure this observation has been made but joe. It seems like a real Oversight to have not painted that wall green green. Yeah. Yeah Well, you can chroma key on on any color So, okay, great. Yeah, good. Yeah. Yeah This was my son's like hangout playroom and then I we switched and so now I have it But I do like the blue wall it confuses my camera a lot I always have to go in and adjust its settings to like try and make me not be like really bright red But um, but yeah, it is a nice wall. I like it. It's great Um, I like it too Here's a topic of business. Um Jordan just reminded me That next week is the tc 39 meeting Um, and so if you would like to you know weigh in on anything feel free to harass your local tc 39 rep Um on the proposals you care. I'm just kidding. Obviously. That's a joke But but it's worth going and taking a look at the At the agenda for those interested and and uh, yeah The deadline for adding things for advancement was last saturday morning. So Theoretically all the important stuff that's there that's going to be there is on that theoretically So I'll ask a selfish question. Do the do our reps ever come back and kind of say like here's what happened at the meetings Do they ever come back? They're like I meant like it's sort of like here's what you needed to know if you know When you weren't there kind of thing or what's important to the open jess foundation or because I I'd be really curious But I admit i'm not going to spend Yeah time to go figure that out on my own. That's a great question I mean they we do in the standards working group sort of discuss if there's something that seems particularly But one of the things that that we're trying to kind of systematize is how to make that and More useful like a more useful potential broadcast out to projects like here's a proposal That's interesting maybe to you and how it will impact in that kind of thing So that's that's one of the sort of sub projects that we're trying to carve out and make some progress on So Come on up to the next working group meeting and help us figure that out there Michael Dawson All the next one is conflicts with the working session so And the and the meeting itself so it looks like probably the simplest thing Will be for us to postpone our standards working group meeting that I was so excited about earlier on the call But if most of our group is going to be you know either on the working group call or at the meeting Um All right, cool One last thing just to shout out if any of you all Project people are shipping anything Please flag to rachel Even just ballparking if it's coming in a week a day a month two months Just so she can get it on our editorial calendar and we can make a big splash Um, I'm reminded um in slack The no j s social team, which is just tyranny and me Has a Group handle, you know, you can do at no j s social team and he and I will both get alerted Um, I wonder I mean everybody knows that rachel's the person to mention but uh, if we had a shorthand open j s social or open j s pr That might be easier for everybody to remember and Tag, I don't know. We don't have a lot going on. So maybe it doesn't matter Jory got a keyboard Yeah, so my these just came in the mail and they're gorgeous and I'm so excited Nice piece. I just have to share since we're at that stage of the meeting We'll hear you clanking in future meetings I got um a refurbished apple magic keyboard and I think it's um, you know, it's Uh Is it from china? I don't I'm I'm I'm not familiar enough to know but I've got extra characters and stuff Cool. Yeah I like looking at that That is cool joe I also got a motorcycle recently. Um, you know, what else can we talk about careful? It's actually my second I got to sell the old one, but yeah, it's exciting Anybody else getting into dangerous hobbies that you want to share like keyboards and motorcycles dangerous hobbies Yesterday, I talked to my partner out of battle boats And then we're talking about that being a fun idea that doesn't sound like a fun idea Isn't that what happened at a trump parade or something sorry, I mean I'd watch that tv show I'd watch that tv show too We're still alive, you know that yeah, we're still