 So I'll call the order. The meeting of the airport commission is at 4.05 p.m. The first item on the agenda is the agenda. Get your motion to approve the agenda. So moved. Moved by Helen. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Jeff. Any discussion or amendments to the agenda? Hearing none, all those in favor of adopting the agenda as proposed, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Second. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Item three is public forum. What do you think of that? Okay. And I don't see any members of the public in public forum. So we will close out public forum. Move on to item four, which is the consent agenda. Do we hear a motion to approve the contents of the consent agenda? Seven. Moved by Helen. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by Jeff. Any discussion or anything you want to highlight? Yes, still projecting or tracking employment numbers closer and closer and closer to 2019. Of course, you can see we're over last year. Pretty significantly over from last year. I will kind of highlight the last page there, the garage utilization by the month. So we're a couple months behind on updating you, but 76, 77, a little bit low in July, August, September, October are going to be high. I can tell you right now, Shelby just advised me that the parking garage so far this month is around 90 to 93%. You'll hear too in Murray's report that the revenues are still very high in the parking garage, which is fantastic. So I'm curious, why would the utilization be so high if you haven't yet fully recovered on the number of? We do not know. Honestly, we don't. And obviously there's a shift of the demographic and the business versus leisure traveler that's happened over the last few years. So we're kind of thinking that there's longer transactions. Potentially there's a shift in multiple transactions happening at the same time in just a larger shift in more people, even though the numbers were higher for prior, more people actually parked in the garage for those similar quantity of funds. Yeah, but those are interesting. My opinion versus actual. Yeah, because I would have thought like families, there'd be like families would travel together, right? Less cars. So the less cars, yeah, but it's actually more. I really think it's the family that typically or rather the business traveler that typically didn't park in the garage is now being parked in the garage by a family draft. So we never saw that rather before. Now we're actually seeing. Oh, do you know if that's true at other airports? Is that so? That's a conclusion-wide phenomenon or just us? That's a great question. And Shelby's going to be a great respondent to that, maybe not tonight, but I think she's got a really great working group with other ground transportation units across the country rail. So I think she'll be able to kind of hopefully pin points and that's really interesting. One of them is related to Uber too. I know once or twice we had come on Uber and they weren't coming to the airport late at night. So I wonder if that's another option. So I won't try it again. We either get dropped off or parked in the garage. I'm trying not to intend to be gone a long time, but yeah, but I just wonder if it's related to that level. I don't know if that's still the case. I don't want to be here at night and find out if they're not running. Right, yeah. We do have a lot of taxi. You got taxis, so that's okay. Yeah, which are by the number of Uber's, especially over the last couple of years, very, very low. Although the numbers are kind of speaking out, you can back up again on a revenue basis because we still do receive that $2 transaction. The people who use Uber now, they just cry themselves. Yeah, we can certainly dive into that a little bit more, especially compared to other places. You used to look at like Canadian license plates and stuff like that. Are you still doing that and is there a change in the mix in that or stuff? I don't know off hand. I'm not sure if he knows those numbers, but we do have a tracking spreadsheet for that. We'll have to offer that for today. We're in the same, I know it's awesome. What's on that next meeting? Awesome. All right, any other discussion on the consent agenda? All right, hearing done, all those who prefer adopting the consent agenda is presented to be signified by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? We move on to item five action items. So action item 5.01. Doing your motion to recommend to the Board of Finance and City Council to enter into a proper lease with the AeroDime on Valley Road. As some of us. For the second? Second. I move by Helen, second by Robin. Discussion? Nick. So this is one of our tenants as the memo states down in the Valley West, April, excuse me, Valley, April. This is close to Vermont Flight Academy and some of there's a few other tenants from our flight academy and condos. This is in our, what we refer to as the alert hangers, some of the oldest hangers really at the entire airfield airport. We've been working with Jim Richards, the owner of AeroDime for quite some time now. Scheduling conflicts, but we're able to negotiate this particular deal, a three year lease agreement with two one year options. This was also part of that commitment to the some of those, all of those tenants down in the Valley regarding our commitment to continue leasing of that. So this is really besides a tenant that we're going to be talking about in the executive session. This is the final tenant that we now have full extensions down in the Valley with every single one of them. What does AeroDime do? So they build aircraft parts specifically to a commander at Piper Rockwell. Rockwell, that's right. Dave knows all about it, I don't know too much. Yeah, it starts at a small place, probably. Yeah, I used to actually find that in the airport. And being, oh, 14 people, yeah. And they reverse engineer because they know a lot of manufacturing that works for the aircraft. So they had to reverse engineer parts for the aircraft. Here's a huge demand for it. Okay, because we need them around. He's got, he's got a, he's very busy, very, very, very busy, makes the parts right there. Very precision manufacturing too. And then he's one of the, one of very few part manufacturers of this particular part of the country. So he gets a lot of clients flying in and they do maintenance right there, thanks as well. Yep. Okay, thank you. Quick question, Nick. Do you know if they have, if they had requested the three year, I thought it was normally like a five year for them? No, it depends, over the years, they actually were on a month to month lease for about 10 years. Okay. So this is really a brand new lease for them and this is what we negotiated, that three year with two one year extensions. So that you have a technically a five year, five years. Yeah. And are they going to be, you know, their condo hanger is also, sorry, the condo hanger is that, their hanger is also kind of wedged in there with the others that are a little bit overdue for maintenance. Was there any discussion in that for their lease? Right now it is status quo. So there's two hangers that they're actually occupying as part of this lease. Of course there's going to be maintenance pertaining to making sure there's no leaks in the roof or any other safety or fire safety concerns. These hangers are scheduled to be removed in future years at the airport, completely demolished. And that's one of the reasons that we decided with a three year extension, followed by two one year options. Of course there is language in there too though that we would help him relocate if the time comes for that. We're nowhere near scheduling those, those particular hangers for removal, but certainly something that we've had a lot of conversations with him about. Okay. Thanks. Can I just ask in terms of that issue to rebuild hangers this costly? Is that something that the FAA would fund because they see it important to us, airport the size? Yeah, no. Yeah, generally anything that really is exclusive use or in most cases revenue producing is not going to be eligible. For example, when we started building and designing our apron for beta and for other tenants, we're not allowed to build a certain portion of it because only one entity uses it. So when the hangers are proposed that way, it is not eligible for federal. No different than that. So that's a big difference as well. But the ground and there's alternatives to promoting and encouraging new hangers at the airport, which this airport definitely needs new hangers because the demand is certainly there. Who would typically finance them? Private, yeah, a lot of private. Yeah, and private, but then there were condo efforts is when you start getting into the larger hangers, it would certainly be private funding, especially like a heritage, for example, if you start building hangers outside, so beta technology, yeah, yeah, two hangers right now. Okay, thank you. Ready commissioners, any other discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All right, any? Oh, you're both on mute. So we can hear you or a hand or something. Hi. There we go, that makes three. All right, so that carries. Item 5.02, do we hear a motion to recommend to the Board of Finances City Council to enter into an agreement with Casero for the study of snow removal equipment siting? So moved. Moved by Helen. Do I hear a second or proceed back? There's a second there by Jeff, discussion Larry. All right, I think everybody's aware we have received part of the bipartisan structure legislation bill approximately over four million a year for five years. As Nick's previously said, a large portion of that is going to go towards the new construction of a snow removal and equipment building and maintenance because our outgrown and we do not have the space to meet the requirements of the FAA for storage of the equipment. We are allotted by the FAA. So this is the very first step where we're already we're looking at the siting, programming, programming meeting, how much are we approved for? How much space do we need? How much will they pay for on the roof based on the rules and how much do we have to fund ourselves that doesn't qualify under the snow removal and equipment building? So this is the first phase just siting and programming of that building. So we can then in turn, another good point is the FAA has also committed, once we get this that we're going to apply for design only grant for this project, which is huge for us. That we are putting into the applied for yet but we've never seen FAA, but that we will be a part of that. This is the first step to see where we're going to put it and what we conduct. We have had a couple of conversations with some city counselors in Burlington as well as subcommittees of the Burlington City Council associated with our previous request of rezoning with the city of South Burlington. Of course that process has completed. We're actually navigating this slightly different very different I would say than what that process went down move forward and in the first place be designing a landscaping master plan. This winter we're going to be working with some of the neighborhoods and bringing in ideas. Can we build community gardens? Can we build additional multi-use bike paths to connect to the South Burlington existing paths that are already out there in the woods on the of course land side of the fence. When we talk about this snow removal equipment building originally part of that rezoning process had that snow building just about right on our fence line into residential zoned areas. We have now shifted that very, very far to the north very close to the sewage receiving plant up there off of the fashion route or airport. Yeah, still a work program already next to industrial and other zones outside. So this is where the scope of work is is going to be started. And we don't need more finance approval because it's less than 100,000. OK. Any questions? Do we have to make them up please? Yeah, you made a motion, right? Yeah, well, yeah. I haven't had a conversation yet. Any other discussions? All right, hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you, Robert. That carries. And the last action item is 5.03 for her motion to recommend to the Board of Finance and City Council to enter into agreement with Free and Front Freeman for the design and bidding of the TSA office relocation. So moved. So by Helen, is there a second? OK, we'll second that by Jeff and Larry, you're up again. OK, I think it's everybody can remember when they used to walk down to the administrator, bought this from Mack, when they're going down, there used to be a full corridor of TSA personnel management. They're no longer there because of the tip project. Except for the bomb guy, he's in our specs right now. The what? The bomb guy, yeah. So he needs to go to so long. So we are reconfiguring the old administrative office that was used over seven or eight, six or seven years ago, or for them down there in the security on the secure side. And we have to go because it's TSA, we go through the government services or general services of the government. So it's quite a process. So again, this is this is the redesign that from an architectural mechanical electrical and all that type of stuff. So this does all that. It meets their GSA requirements to get it done. And it's only board of finance. It's less than that. Well, there is actually one. That was going to mention that there is no downer outstated in the back. So I was just curious. I didn't. Okay, I, from my memory, it was $58,500 with a contingency of 10%. So that's a product. I apologize for that. That's all right. So I was waiting for the number one. I initially. So. Yeah. I'm glad we formed it later. I know that's not correct. So it does say it in the amendment. So if you read on the second page, the original contract value was 41,000, four, 15, just about in the middle of the page. And then the revised, which is a sentence underneath to 58,995. And then I put a 10% on that because. It's in the contract. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. It's page two. It's page two. Oh, okay. I see it now. Cause. I suppose. 98. Great. It says mine says 5,880 dollars. So if you go down to paragraphs, I guess you can. Oh, I see. Okay. Oh, so this was an addition. It's an amendment. We were under 50. So you've never seen this country. Okay. All right. Now you do. Cause it's. Yeah. So. Basically it's for those personnel. That we do get paid for. So. Which is, which is great. Take in space that is now a revenue producing. Space. Any further discussion from. Commissioners. Gary, then all those in favor signify by saying. Hi. Hi. Any posts. I have six construction update. All right. I really had. Not much to report. What was in the report. So. If they were, we were wrapping up and closing out a lot of projects. Where you said they're bad out. Get the FAA to reimburse us and we're quickly trying to respond to them to fulfill the close up documents to get that money back. And then. We're working on the future projects. So. Anybody would like me to go through or have any questions? I just have a question on the, and maybe I've missed this. It's the cargo. Cargo Adrian project. New. Correct. So maybe just talk a little bit about them. Sure. There's a. There's a company. Similar to the current one FedEx. That would like to come in with a similar size of bigger plane. Okay. There aren't too many companies. I can do that. And they've approached it. About that. So we. Have talked to the FAA. And we were in. When the design. Then get a grant for. Billion. And here again, the FAA has been nice to us. Hey, you can get a design only. That's a reply for a design on the grant. In the past. They didn't do this. That kind of stuff. So they're happy with the way we get things done. So. We will do a design. Of a cargo apron. Near the existing cargo apron. For. Now, going back to the conversation we had earlier, if it seems like it's devoted to the use of one. Business. How does that work? So this would, this would shift our cargo operations. Right now we do have multiple cargo carriers flying in and out of the airport with FedEx. We have. Wiggins Airways who contracts with both FedEx and UPS. Smaller. Turbo prop aircraft. Whenever you have, you can build a apron. If it's not, if it's used for more than one entity. Right. So this would be a change in use and a change of common use. Cargo. Cargo. So that all of these companies. Can use this. Okay. I've got it. Yeah. But you just need to design a different one. Because it's a larger plane. This is a larger plane and. And multiple planes. Of that size. Side by side. We're going to need more space. And we really want to bring these small. Although we don't know if they'll. They'll remain or not. This is. Years down the road, but we want to make sure that all cargo is operated out of this one. Facility. The apron in this case. So with the. So right now we've got the seven. We're talking about bigger than a 757. Correct. And right now. FedEx barely fits where it is. And they're. And they're just bringing in trucks. They offload and off they go. So they have their own K-loaders and their own sort of project there. So would this be like. Hangar space or really they just need a space to have different K-loaders and different access to that one gate. I was at the same gate. That's right. Yeah. No FedEx has. A substantial amount of space. In fact, it's got space to part two 757. One behind the other over there, but it's it's not necessarily the most efficient use of the space. So this would shift. Where these parking positions are in it. And it wouldn't be a dedicated parking position. It would be. Here's the cargo pad. And. So, but then right now FedEx also has all of their equipment that supports that. Kind of. Up against the fence, right? They rent and lease a building of ours to. Yeah. They have some, some of their ground support equipment outside, but many of their equipment is also inside as well. Okay. So when really impact that piece of their operation, it's just going to add on to saying, okay, we're going to, we're going to make this space more efficient so that we can add more cargo. Services. For this. That's, that's correct. And it really is extending the existing cargo. Apron. From the existing location. Towards our new taxiway. Keylo. And we have forwarded air space evaluation to the FAA for you. For the car. Right. Cool. And yeah, I mean, I think it would be great to have more cargo operations. The Wiggins planes have kind of moved all around the airport. You know, they were in the valley for a long time. And then they, you know, they were in the valley for a long time. And then they moved over to near. The beacon ramp, right near a hobby stuff. And, and then they've sometimes they come into heritage. They were a menace down in the valley. Because the UPS trucks would come careening around the corner in between the airplanes where the students were about to start up and move. And you have brand new students like trying to manage UPS trucks zipping in and out because they're always in a hurry. And then if they were late, that was, that was another issue. So. So it advocates strongly not moving the smaller cargo carriers back to the valley. Because it was nothing short of hazardous. Yeah, no, that is not happening. All right. All right. So that's my only question. Any further discussion from Krishna. All right. Thank you, Larry. Thank you. Next up is Marie with the financial update. Hello. And good evening, everyone. So we have a question. Finance package this week, this week for, because the meeting, it made it more difficult to get. The most accurate financial information and revenues. So I thought it would probably make the most sense. To not include an updated profit and loss that had estimated numbers, but to give you the actual. Numbers and do that. At our next meeting, which will be in January. The cat. I am able to report the cash balance statements that we have. And the AIP report. So those are in there. Our cash was holding very strong as the end of November. We had over $6 million in the airport checking account. We did not own any money. And the other significant item to report is that the airport did pay off a $2.5 million on the grant anticipation note that we had. We paid that off in November. The, this is an AIP. We are still waiting for the money from. The FAA, but they are very close to finalizing that close out. And we. Expect that probably within the next few weeks. To renew a $10 million grant anticipation note or line of credit for us that is going to start hopefully this December and we'll continue on for one year. And then the AIP, what we are owed from the FAA is about four point almost five. I mean, almost 5.5 million dollars of which. Half of that is due from that one AIP that we anticipating very soon. So those are the highlights. I know that Nick mentioned how well our parking garage is doing. And I don't reflect that here, but I can tell you. We are year to date. So July through November. We are at 102% of our revenues and what they were. And that's what we're doing. And then we're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. In November, we are at 102% of our revenues and what they were. When we, if we go back and look back to pre COVID. The same time period of fiscal year 2020. So that would have been July through November of 2019. So we are very happy that we're seeing that I do agree with Nick. And you know, we think that there's probably people parking longer. In the airport. Okay. Very long. We got you back. Yeah. Maybe just turn the video off. I think sometimes the streaming from my location gets caught up. So apologize on that, but I did. Where did I lose you? Just, just seconds ago. Okay. Most of it was just interrupted. Sorry about that. I was hoping that wouldn't happen. No, that is that is sort of the highlights. You know, our revenues continue to be strong. So I'll be happy to report that in our next meeting. Does anybody have any questions for me though? I hear none, Marie. So you are all set. Thank you for your presentation. The next step is item eight noise feedback from Hannah. So we, we had seven additional comments. Since we reported on this month. And just one thing I wanted to highlight that's new this month. Is the heat map that we've added. If you are on board docs right now, if you want to just refresh, we added the other length because it's helped complain count by address. Because the first one wasn't loading correctly. Yeah. Yeah. That was mindful. For some reason I dragged a dot. No. Yeah. But I started to add the new link. So if you're on board docs with us, if you. Want to check it out, it helps have a visual aid for what we're. The numbers that we're reporting in terms of the individual address. Commenters where, where are those locations are located. So it's. By the size and the color, but the red is it has a little map below. Detailing it helps to give a better understanding. Of what is coming. I'm almost surprised that there are so many. So this cluster that red dot, is that. Let's see, is it kind of weather related or seasonal in terms of the planes have to come in over that area to. Come into land or is that where they take off more often. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it would be. As you say that I kind of sparked, it would be nice to add the airport. To the map. So you could see the direction of the. Even though I think we all know, but just see the direction of the arrivals of departures. And then maybe add the. Track information of where aircraft go. Yeah. Is it they'll typically take off and then take that left hand turn or continue over Chester, Mounts Bay area. These, and just to clarify, these are, these dots are the. Like if a red dot is there, it's not more people. That's one person. That's one household. So that's one household that has filed. That's one house made. That's correct. That's correct. Whereas the light green small ones. So these are all individual. Reports. Just so you notice there's someone who has joined us. I don't see anyone. Helen, the number one thing that. Decides which way an airplane lands is where the wind is. So we always land into the wind. But the second most thing that decides which way we land. Is if the wind is calm. We have a preferred runway of the south runway, which is one five for large airplanes. And that's so that they don't have to come in over the mountains for the approach. So you're always going to get more traffic. If the wind is out of the south. And if the wind is calm over that area. The other little traffic that goes on the other runway, which is a more almost dead north and south is all general aviation small planes. And despite the fact that we sound like a herd of mosquitoes, we don't make any kind of noise compared to the jet aircraft. Thank you. Any other comments from commissioners on this section. Thank you. Next is director's report. Mine is very, very quick tonight. So I can spend most of the time in an executive session. I really just some staff updates. We had a. Holiday party that Hannah and Julian weight, who was actually on tonight as well. Well, planet. We had all of the airlines, all the staff from around the terminal joined us for hot cocoa and pastries and goodies up in the mezzanine area to help decorate with holiday decorations all over the airport. So of course, if you are a crew, you can start seeing more and more of that. We'll have a holiday event in about two weeks with all of our staff will bite the commissioners to that too. It's going to be turned the day of course, but over at our maintenance shop and it's, it's still a very, very busy time of year, but trying to. Secretary trying to alleviate some of the pressures of so many things happening. I want some new projects. Speaking of new projects, it is in Larry's report, but our North concourse renovate renovation project. Has kicked off and we're going to start putting up temperate walls up in the North. Of course, and start taking out all of that class. And start building and removing the escalators, building the floor, expanding our gate areas over on the north. Of course, starting next week, it'll take a couple of months, which also includes a new ramp over there, as well as two new automatic exit lanes, one on the north and one in the south, which literally, means no personalities to stand at an exit door any longer. It's an automatic security exit door that Dave and his team are going to be managing. And I didn't receive contact. So. Excellent. And that's, that's automated through commissioning. Yeah. City council. Yeah. So. Yeah. Greg, are you if you're with us, can you just briefly unmute? I am with you. Sorry for the delay. No problem, Greg. Glad you could make it. Nick, thank you for your directors report. Thanks for that. That's automated through commissioning. Yeah. City council. Yeah. All right. Great. Greg, are you if you're with us, can you just briefly unmute? I am with you. Sorry for the delay. Thank you for your directors report. Item 10 is commissioner items. Commissioners, is there anything that. You wish to bring up. Okay, move on to item 11 to follow up items. This one was like, this is me. So the airport commission rules and procedures. So just an update on this. I'm not at the last commission meeting. We got an update on suggested guidance on how to handle. Public meeting law and all that good stuff. So I have taken the draft rules and thank you for everyone who's contributed to that. And I've added a lot of the things that we learned in that session. And I'm just about ready to send that off to, to the city wheel team to review and get their feedback. And assuming that they give it the thumbs up, we'll be back to the commission in January to review. And we'll have one last chance to go through it and give some thoughts and we will move to approve it in February. So that's perfect. That's the plan of action with that. Thank you for doing it. Thank you for everyone who's without me. Good update too. Cause acting city attorney, Kim Stuberman is on right now. Fantastic. Excellent. She'll join us for executive session. Got it. Well, thank you, Kim, for your help with this document or someone on your team. So that is item 11. So item 12 is executive session. And we're moving into exactly session to discuss some litigation. Do I hear a motion to enter into executive session? So there's two recommended motions. Okay. So I guess I can read it. I'm not sure if everyone has it up. So the recommended motion is to move. It's executive session pursuant to one BSA 3313. Subsection A one. After making a specific finding that premature. General premature general public knowledge. Appending civil litigation clearly places city at a substantial disadvantage. Based upon the finding moving into executive session to discuss such a matter. Is there a motion to that effect? So. And how it moves. Is there a second? Second. Second by ramen. So we will now move into exact session. When we come back to adjourn or. Yes. Because we might have an action. There's there is no proposed action after this executive session. So we could adjourn. That's a great. I defer to someone that's stronger. I mean, that's what we often do at city council. There's no action that we're going to report. You end the meeting. Yes. But we do have a public person on. So we have to go out. Right. Well, Kim is on. If you want to put her over, she might be able to. Yeah. It's a good question. We. In a different board. I'm on. We always go to executive session. Then come out of the executive session. Then. Right. Because there could be. An action that is not thought, not planned to come out of the executive session. That unexpectedly does. Right. We would have to have the attention of having an action. Right. And another, and another. I don't. I can't. She's like, stop talking. You're good. I mean, you can basically just say that you don't anticipate that there's going to be an action. And so. You will. When you come out, you're just going to adjourn. I mean, typically do come out and adjourn, but as far as. People from the public that are watching, I guess they should be aware that you're not. Planning on any action. So there'll be like actually nothing except for an adjournment afterwards. Okay. So to clarify, can we adjourn now? Or should we adjourn after. The executive session. I'm sure adjourn after the executive session. Because it's still part of the meeting. Okay. Thank you. All right. So if we are ready to move into. You can work your technology magic and then. So we will be muted and then we will join on the second of session, then adjourn. Let me return. So. That now. Is great. Technically needs to say he's present. I'm present. Thank you. All right. So. Move adjournment. So. Before you adjourn, but I just want to clarify the date of the next meeting. So I see the suggestion to cancel. The regularly scheduled meeting for. December 21st. And the question then would be for January. Do we want to have the regular meeting on January 18th, or do we want to have a special meeting on January 4th, or some other. Alternative. So Nick, I don't know if you have an, have an opinion on that based on what might be coming. For our review. Typically, I would say let's keep the first. When. My new request is the first Wednesday of the month. The first Wednesday of January is going to be very difficult, especially trying to get the commission item. It's available to you that week prior. So I would say either, either cancel January or. Or keep it down to the. Okay. I think we'll keep it on the 18th. Okay. So we will plan on. January 18th. Or an excursion meeting. But now I will entertain a motion to a year. So. Thank you. Helen. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. All in favor. All right. All right. We are adjourned. Thank you, everyone. Okay. See it.