 Hello and welcome to another official AFC Bournemouth podcast coming to you from Vitality Stadium. We're here to bring you closer to some of the personalities connected to the Cherries past and present. Now, for those of you who haven't tuned in before, my name's Zoe Rundle and I'm part of the media team here at AFC Bournemouth. As ever, I'm joined by my colleague and Cherries encyclopedia, Neil Perrett, who has been covering the club for over 30 years. Neil, it's great to be back. Two podcasts in a month. How lucky are we? Very, very lucky, Zoe. And they use the word legend in football far too free and easily, but I'm delighted today that we can definitely say today's guest is an absolute club legend here. Absolutely. To have two podcasts in a month means we have to have a very special guest joining us. And this man is none other than a club legend, as you say, Neil. 144 goals and 223 games for AFC Bournemouth and the club's second highest goal scorer of all time. He was part of the side that secured the club's first ever football league promotion 50 years ago. And of course, it's famous for those nine goals against Margate in the FA Cup. Now, you've probably guessed exactly who we're talking about. So without further ado, it's an honour to introduce Ted McDougal onto the AFC Bournemouth podcast. When you were saying, we're waiting for this legend to come, I was waiting for somebody to come in. You know, I thought, who are they talking about? So it's great to be here. And we brought some nice weather with us from Florida. So it's fantastic. Well, Ted, it's great to see you. Thank you for joining us. It's going to be a really great podcast. Now, before we start, it is a very busy day at Vitality Stadium today. So apologies if you hear the odd refrigeration unit or the odd bump in the ceiling, but we'll do our best to deliver another interesting and insightful AFC Bournemouth podcast. Anyway, we are going to get straight into it. And of course, Ted, there is just one place to start. On the 20th of November, 1971, Slade were number one with Because I Love You. A pint would cost you 16 pence. And social media was when people actually spoke to each other. On that day, you also set an FA Cup individual goal-scoring record by netting nine times in an 11-nil win against Southern League side Margate. What are your memories of that day? I just remember the weather been raining and miserable. And the fact that I didn't realise, nobody realised it was a record or anything like that. I went up to London. We had the sports shops. And they were looking for me in this hall. And I'm going, what's going on? And we went and had something to eat and went down Fleet Street for a paper. And I thought, see if there's a little bit in there. And it was, my goodness, it was all over the paper. So then I kind of realised that this seems like a big deal. How often do people talk to you about it? How often are you reminded of the date? Because, you know, it is a record, as you say, and it's such a famous day in AFC Bournemouth history. Well, living in the States, no. But I try to remember, let them remember and make sure that they know. And for you, it must be so nice coming back. When you come back to Bournemouth, does it bring back those memories of, you know, I mean, I mean, I saw a lot of people the other night when I went to the game. And I think I'm banned now. Maybe I might not get back in. But certainly, the same people are wonderful. And it's just, it's just so, so great to see them. And everybody's, you know, healthy and happy and good. Ted, the perfectionist that you are, you only got the nine goals out there and you said you should have got the 11. What went wrong? Well, well, I remember the goal that Mel got. I don't know what the hell he was doing up there. I mean, it was a corner kick, I remember. And I was just going to head it in. And he got in front of me and he scored. And I said, we're not supposed to be up here. And then Mickey, I can't remember Mickey Caves goal, but, you know, I was disappointed. I didn't get the 11. So I know it's a long time ago. I'm not asking you to analyse all the nine goals. One was a penalty, I seem to remember. Can you remember anything about any of the nine or the eight? I remember, I think I got maybe a couple of diving headers, I think, because I was better in near than I ever was with my feet. I had a lot more control in the air. And so no, I actually don't remember a lot of the goals. There was a crowd of about 12,000 there for the visit of a Southern League team as well. Those were the crowds in those days, though. Yeah, it was astonishing how Bournemouth, you know, were attracting so much attention. And it was just great to be part of it. You know, John Bond was getting everybody going and, you know, he was bigger than life. And it was just the start of a journey. It was a relatively routine cut tie, regarding the early rounds of the FA Cup. And there weren't very many press here. And your feet went relatively unnoticed on that Saturday and Sunday. And I think it was only when the national papers really got hold of it on Monday that everybody realized what an amazing story it was. Well, there was a story behind that. When I got back from London from where I was mentioning, with the sports shops thing, there was an event on. And John, John Bond got a call from Jeff Hearst. And Jeff Hearst had his testimonial going at West Ham on the Wednesday. And he had a world 11, a world 11. And all the great players at that time were playing it. And he invited me to play in it. And that was the first time I encountered Tommy Docherty. So it was all downhill from that point on. But it was, you know, they were all, they were so unbelievable to be part of that. So when you say it was a world 11, Ted, I mean, I've seen that your savior was in it. Who are and Jeff Hearst and Jimmy Greaves? Yeah, they were, they were, everybody was there. There were a lot of kind of German internationals, a lot of kind of Portuguese internationals. Jimmy Johnson, players that I just kind of just as a third division player, I'm like, you know, in this dressing room, looking at these guys and, and I scored. And of course, he hooked me half time. So which was unusual for Tom really, but there you go. Were you nervous at all? I was excited. I was because I think what John Bond and Danny built, it built us out to be, we were very confident we felt part of it, even though we were third division players, he didn't feel that way. Would it be fair to say that you almost turned into an overnight celebrity, you know, you're out on this pitch with all these world class players, and you've just scored nine goals in the FA Cup. It doesn't get too much better, does it? Yeah, I mean, I mean, we were starting to get headlines. And people were focusing on a lot of stuff that was going on in Bournemouth. And if you never lived it, it's hard to explain from where we were to what it had become. The season before, we played Oxford City. We're like a non league. And we drew, I think, one one or something like that at Oxford, and we got them back in the FA Cup here. And we ended up winning. And I got six that that game. So it was kind of getting warmed up for bigger things, maybe. So Ted, immediately after the game, what, what was happening on the pitch after the game? Was it everybody mobbing you? Or what, you know, just tell us? No, we all rushed off to get our, our, our, our pint of beer, because obviously that's what you did. Everybody walked off and just got a quick rub down with a with a mandoramakasin or a, or a drink. And everybody was kind of laughing about it because it was such an unusual kind of event, I guess. I think I don't know what it was like four goals in the first half and five in the second or vice versa. I can't quite remember. But it was something unusual for sure. A couple of funny anecdotes that came out of the Margate changing room or from the Margate side of things was the goalkeeper that day was Chick Brody. Now, he was, he was quoted as saying afterwards that he was probably the unluckiest goalkeeper in history. Now, some stories about a hand grenade, a Jack Russell, and a broken crossbar. Can you expand on those? Yes. Well, he wrote an article that said he's the most unlucky as goalkeeper in, in, in the, in that there's ever been. And he mentioned these things because he used to wear the, the hat, you know, the flat cap for the sand. And somebody had put a kind of toyed hand grenade in it. And then another time, he's in the middle of the, the goals and the ball or something hit the crossbar. This is Brentford. And the crossbar fell in his head. And the other one, which I remember, this Jack Russell run on the pitch over things on his like Friday night or something was on the television. And this Jack Russell was on the, on the pitch. And he tried to stop it. And it flew him and just accidentally hit him on the kneecap and kind of put him out for weeks. And then the fourth one was, you know, the, the 11-nothing. And it did, he kind of made it a bit easier because he said Ted didn't get all them goals. You know, there were a couple of old cheese. So it made him feel better. And then, you know, but that was his story. Yeah. Yeah. Was he want to shake your hand at the end of the game or not? Well, they give him the ball, but he dropped it. So there's another story from the Margate manager that day, Les Rigg. Now, he tried to blame the referee for the result. He was saying that the referee, because of the weather, as you alluded to earlier, was so bad. He told Chick Brody to change his shorts after five minutes. And this is what Rigg was quoted as saying, it's affected the game because we were doing reasonably well up until that point. And then this lunatic made us do that. Do you remember that bit? No. Is he making this stuff up or whatever? I wasn't really that bothered about Margate, to be honest, because I was, I was more kind of involved with Bournemouth. I mean, at that time, we never really worked a lot of stuff on the other side of the, of the game. It was all about what we did and trying to win and score goals. So it stood for 50 years, Ted. Is it ever going to be broken? I mean, I've been asked that question, obviously, a number of times and I always believe that, you know, records are there to be broken. But I think as the game has developed and got more professional and so on and so forth, I think it's, it'd be very difficult for a player to get, you know, a team to get nine goals, never mind one player to get nine. I think that's going to be difficult. Well, it's certainly a fantastic record and from our perspective, we certainly hope it's not ever going to be broken. We are going to take you right back to the very start of your IFC Bournemouth career. Freddie Cox signed you from York City for £10,000 in the summer of 1969. Was that money well spent? Well, not after we got relegated. It was like... When I left Liverpool, I went to York for £5,500 it was and then I went there and I scored, I think, 40 goals in two seasons, but we had to apply for re-election to stay in the football league the two years I was there and then I get into the third division with Bournemouth and then there were favourites to go up and then I ended up, I think I got 20-yard goals that season and we got relegated. I thought, this is great, you know, so I was like the kiss of death, you know, so my god, there's nobody going to be wanting me, you know, so yeah, that was disappointing, but it turned out it changed my life. You know, you did, you got 21 goals that season and despite the fact the club got relegated, that's still an amazing achievement, you know, in the first season to play for one club and you're scoring 21 goals, that's some going. No, I mean, there was lots of changes and, you know, there was a lot of, Freddy Cox was a lovely man, you know, I liked Freddy Cox, he was, he epitomised what I thought, like Bournemouth, because he was sunburned and he had the MGB, GT and he had the mohair suits on and stuff, I thought, he's great, you know, and he had that swagger about him and I loved him and he, because he had a news agency, I think, and he was just a, I thought he was a nice man. Well, Freddy Cox parted company with the club and John Bond came in as manager next, is it true he wanted to ship you out because he wasn't too sure about you? Well, yeah, well, you know, that time he wanted me to be a right winger and to make diagonal runs. Well, with all due respect, I didn't know what a diagonal run was. I mean, it wasn't something that was coached, you know, in my lifetime. I can't imagine Bill Shankly saying, hey son, get on your bike and get on a diagonal run. I mean, it didn't happen and I didn't know what it was, so I would, I said, look, I just want to get in the boxes and score goals, you know, that's what I do, that's all I do. And he, he, so I was kind of fighting him a little bit on it and, you know, and a little bit mouthy anyway, I suppose, so at the end of the day, you know, we went, I remember the first game we were at Newport or something, Newport County, anybody that's ever been there, it's not the greatest. He said, but close your eyes and think it's Wembley. I said, crazy, if we close our eyes, there'll be three goals down. And we, and then I started to make runs to the near post and Tony Scott, bless him, he just passed a few weeks ago, he would play this ball in to the near post and I would kind of flick it in and get in it. I got two or something like that and I thought, well, we're on our way here, you know, and I started to believe in it. Ted, we're going to try and focus on your time at AFC Bournemouth, but you mentioned Bill Shankly there. Now you think that he invented psychology when it comes to footballers, don't you? Just give us an example of why you thought... He was a character, I mean, I don't know if you're allowed to swear on this podcast, but I mean, you can't say things and just, it's got a little bit more depth with it. Don't swear, but please do the accent for us. So we used to change in the reserve team dressing room at Anfield and then get the bus to go to Millwood and it was all about the fibre sides and stuff like that and every about twice a season we all played Everton, the A team, B team, C team, reserve team, obviously the first team and his house overlooked Bellefield, which was the Everton training facilities and he would be in the big bath and he'd be sitting in there and he'd be going, Jesus Christ, son, he said, I've just watched them training. They're not fit, son. They're not fit. The arses are all, all their arses in their pants are all ripped. They can't play, son. They can't play and we're going, bring it on. This is like, psychology wasn't even a word, you know, and it was like, because we didn't realise he was giving us this psychology, you know, and it was like, and you know, the other story was that the the fibre sides in the training, training at Millwood was everything and they used to have like Ruben Bennett and Joe Fagan and Bob Paisley and Bill would all play in one team with two or three younger players and the other team would, you know, would be some of the first team and Chris Lawler, who was a very, very quiet person, never said anything and this goal went in that they thought they scored and he asked Chris, he said, Chris, was that a goal, son? And Chris said, no, no boss it wasn't. He said, Jesus Christ, first time you yoke me your mouth is a f***ing lie. So Bill Shankly ahead of his time, was John Bond ahead of his time? All very much so, but for different reasons, Shank's was psychology and walked around with a strut and people went, wow, and John was all about coaching and I'd never been involved with any coaching, all the managers I'd had to that point and when he started to do the angles and the movement and the kind of the third man runs and the movement you have to do especially inside the box, I'll give you a story about with Chicharito who did really well when he went to Manchester United and if you notice he scored a lot of goals at the beginning primarily because he'd make one run then he would come out of it make another run and then what happened which was typical Manchester United they wouldn't play the ball in when he made the run so he stopped making the second and the third run I'm not talking about long runs maybe five yards but little angles to lose the defender and what happened at that point then is that he he stopped making the runs and he stopped scoring the goals and you see it every week at any level players today make one run in the box they don't make another run, Aguero makes more than one run, if you see it you'll see them make little runs it's not big runs it's inside the box but you have to you have to move the defenders about you have to get them on their on their heels you put the mentally you go into their shoes and think what what can I do to make him feel uncomfortable what does he not want me to do and that's what I do. Now around Christmas 1970 Bournemouth signed Phil Boyer now apparently it was on your recommendation just tell us about your partnership with him. Yeah well I mean he came to York first for about three three and a half thousand pound Brian Cliff sold him to York and then so he was with me at York and then I recommended to John you know you need to sign this lot and then he followed me everywhere I went like four clubs and you know and he did all the running and all the work and I took all the credit so it was it was perfect you know I just just feel get on your bike you know okay then he's like the long long distance runner and I'm like oh you know so it's good. Tell us I know that when I was in in the media he was a very very difficult man to get old of you see very little from him do you keep in touch with him at all? No he's he's like how would you use my dog I mean he still lives in he lives in Nottingham Bridgeford area I believe and you know he's just a recluse I think I told the story about when he had the when he had the budgie and I was at the end of my career I was going away in the summer and I was basically kind of I was because it took me forever to get fit it'd be October by the time pre-season wore off and I said oh I'm going to go away so I went to America I went to Canada another year I went to South Africa another year and he said gee I really would love to do that I said I wish I could I said well he did not you don't have any family you could go he said I can't I said the wife's got a budgie and I'm like thinking he's taking you know what I've got a budgie he said well you see you won't leave the budgie so a few weeks later this is a true story I'm like it's a joke but it's like so I said you'll never guess he said the budgie's dead so I felt sorry for the budgie but I didn't you know I didn't make a big fuss of it I said well now you can go anywhere I wasn't being heartless and then he said I can't I said what do you mean you can't he said she went and bought another one so that was it so I guess you needed that anchor so 70 71 ever present 42 lead goals seven in the FA Cup the cherries were promoted for the first time in the club's history just give us your memories of that I think the the biggest thing that stands out for me is is the amount of players that we had that went on to play in the the now Premier League which was the first division with Norwich I mean half the Norwich team were all Bournemouth players you know David Jones, John Benson, Melmachin, Tony Powell you know Phil myself and so on and so forth it was a lot so we had Bementin and these last were good players I mean they were knowledgeable they were I mean we would go home back on the coach and we'd be getting the bottles out a bit like you saw with the West Ham Academy you know and we would move the move things around and systems and how you play and and where people should be and how you get balls in consistently talking about the game and and it was always forward staff it never really worked on anything any defense and I remember John saying to the players look we've got we've got probably the best striker in the country let's get him in so it was all about getting me in I mean I I didn't do I didn't show I didn't link the play I didn't go down the channels I didn't do anything I just kind of I was always making my way away from the ball into the box and then I like I said I was decent in the area even though I'm you know I wasn't very tall but I could I could jump and I wasn't frightening when the ball was in there that was my probably my best best ability I suppose and I just asked about when we saw the pitch out there and wouldn't you like to play down that I said not really because I wouldn't have anything to blame at least I could blame the pitch I could say well I my control is not good because the pitch is but I didn't have to I wouldn't have anything to blame so would it been problems well Ted it was certainly paying off because when Margate came to town the cherries were five points clear at the top of the third division and after the Margate routes you had 28 goals in the first 20 games in all competitions were any of those from outside the box I shouldn't think so I shouldn't think so I didn't go outside the box I mean I remember defenders saying you coming back for a corner why I remember I remember doing them I remember doing the Hong Kong sevens years and years ago when I finished I was about 40 odd and I loved it because you had there you only had to get back to the certain line you know it was only a small pitch and then when I went to America and they had the 30 yard line and to open up the midfield so you had these two 30 yard lines so outside the 18-yard box you were 30 yards I only had to run back to that I loved it was great I didn't have to you know fantastic so I remember one guy at Norwich who went on to write books and he said he went to a game when he was when he was with his dad he was he 10 or 11 and he said I fell in love with Ted with what he said to my dad so he then relayed the story saying that he he said he uh he was walking back with his hands on his hips mcdougal you know and my dad from the halfway line shot get back and defend mcdougal you lazy lazy b***h and Ted in his innumerable style turned around and said f*** off and he said I loved him since that day well you certainly were a fan's favorite and we can't talk about that 71-72 season without mentioning that classic diving header against Aston Villa in front of a then-record third division crowd a 48,110 I think a lot of AFC Bournemouth fans remember that one we've had some fan questions coming on that one and you know it it must have you know really stuck in their memory what are your memories of that goal? because it's shown on youtube in different stuff I've seen I've seen that goal a lot and then that was a typical typical goal that was was done on the training pitch and I'll explain it to you if you ever anybody ever watches it starts off with Tony Powerley comes across gives the ball to me and I knock it out to Tony Scott I span and went into the box and what happened then is that Phil Boyer, which you don't really see on shot he takes the defender what you call underneath the ball so he takes him to the near post leaving the space behind the defender which I then went away and came into the space that Phil Boyer created and then Tony Scott he wasn't looking to me he was playing that ball into the space and then I kind of felt that's where it was going to go so that was a that was a typical boomer thing that we'd we'd actually kind of worked on not that particular finish and obviously that type of movement because it was done because of the other striker taking it making the space for me well despite another 47 goals that season 71-72 ended in disappointment because we just missed out on on a promotion there there was a lot of speculation surrounding your future what was that like for you hard it was I mean we were getting lots of press at this point as you can probably imagine and I was getting a lot and I I went through a period where I just couldn't handle it I just signed a five-year contract I think and I mean I was on I was on good money I think Premier League players at that time were on average 60 pound a week and I was on 150 pound a week so I went to Manchester United for 10 pound a week rise and same amount of money that George Best was on and Bobby Charlton and Dennis Law and they could only give me 10 pound a week rise and it's just that I couldn't handle it I remember after one particular game we played about six or seven games I think the next season and I ended up going into John's office John Bond and I started crying and stuff I said I can't handle this I don't I didn't want to go I didn't want to leave but I was mentally you know we were talking about it today would have been if it had been a psychological component to football at that time I think it would have been ideal for me because it was it was stressful and I really couldn't handle it and I and I went to Manchester and Manchester United were fourth off bottom or something like this it wasn't a great thing there were a lot of the players coming to the end and stuff and they they weren't going to when I make my runs they weren't going to give me the ball because everybody wants to be the star because George had gone AWOL and you know and Bob Bobby Charlton was finishing and Dennis was finishing and they were in flux just keeping on the same theme you went there for 220 thousands which was a no no no 200 200 you got the other 20 did you no I had to go I had to go as a star witness at Winchester High Court for Manchester United to take Manchester United to court bone with it because there was a there was a clause in the contract and belonging to me that said he had to have sufficient time to score 20 goals or something that was gone within 16 games or something and they fought the case saying that they and they had all these barristers and that's enough and I'm in the I'm in the court with these barristers now I'm I'm the witness now let's cut it a little bit kind of you know daunting and they have this picture of my house in in Manchester with a big for sale sign outside and their whole case was on well there you go your honor it was obviously going to leave because he had the for sale sign and I I started laughing I said actually I wasn't in the house long enough to take the sign down so born with one and got the 220,000 was it a bittersweet moment for you leaving here obviously then you didn't know how it was going to go at Manchester United but on the day or the week that you building up to leaving exciting Manchester United our Manchester United Manchester United are like you know if you're in if you're in the play and you're in the provinces you're in Birmingham or Nottingham or something and then you suddenly get this play suddenly goes to the West End that's what Manchester United is like but it's like I mean obviously it's 10 times 100 times more now but even then it was like I mean I mean George George Vessels who I loved and George George kind of chained next to me the whole six months it was there when he was there because he was going down to London and he was going A-Wall and stuff and he's probably the the best player I ever played with he I mean there wasn't anything that George couldn't do I mean he could run he could dribble he could he was brave he could tackle with header ball to score goals he was he was phenomenal Bournemouth fans were absolutely distraught when you left Ted tell us about your relationship with Harold Walker who was the chairman at the time I think he fought tooth and nail to keep you Harold well Mr Walker I another person I loved he was he was a quintessential English gentleman and I just thought I just had so much time for him because he was a gentleman and he was he was a nice person did you have any dialogue with him after the move not really I mean you know you know everything moves on and then the money they got they got you know some players in and but I always followed Bournemouth and you know to this day you know and that's why when Eddie was here I blamed Eddie I said you've made from a support you may be into a fan Eddie so thanks very much I can't even watch the games in my bag of nerves you know so I've become a fan I just want to ask you about your shops because as a kid I patronised your shops but it was more than just sports shops wasn't it well you had a little some arcade going if you like arcade you were in the wrong shop sports done sports direct on it yeah yeah yeah yeah no we we had like with we had about four or five sports shops and then we had a cup price drug store and you can't say that it's like you're selling drugs no it was just pharmacy and toothpaste and stuff like that and then there a toy shop and stuff and and then you know it became a little bit more difficult when I I went away and especially when I went to Norwich because it was you know Norwich is fantastic but it's a long way from anywhere after playing for Manchester United you did have spells with West Ham Southampton and Norwich as you said there there's one burning question from your time at Norwich in the 75-76 season you won the golden boot now for our younger listeners players like Harry Kane Cristiano Ronaldo since won that golden boot where do you keep it I've never seen it you've never seen it no I've never seen it so you never got given a golden boot I think somebody melted it down in me into something like a ring or something so just for the record you've won this golden boot on paper but you never received it I never received it no never I remember somebody saying you won the gold I said where the hell is it then I never got it wow well we'd like to think that at some point someone might pick up on that and might reward you with that golden boot yeah right right throwing that at me or something well anyway moving on six years after departing from AFC Bournemouth you returned it was November 1978 tell us about how that move came about um I was at Southampton two just over two years at Southampton it was probably the funniest two years I had they like and I mean that in the dressing room was fantastic we had Shannon Hossgood Bollie I mean Jim Steele I mean all sorts of characters and Laurie Big Laurie McMenny me handled them everybody with his inimitable style and he was fantastic and he had all he just kept kept everybody smiling he was more of a manager than he was ever a coach it's funny how managers want to be coaches and coaches want to be managers but it's just what you are and he was phenomenal but I found that I don't think I think it was another mental thing where I thought it was a yard slower than what I what we're playing in the in the first division then I just felt but I think it was a mental thing and I said I think I'm done and then Laurie said what he said I said I don't want you to go and then I said I think I think so John Benson was the manager and so I came back here thinking I'm going to be with you know somebody who understands my game and you know maybe and like I'm coming back home for you how excited were you to come back home because obviously you've just spoken about how difficult it was to leave so to be returning to a place where you know you've had such a successful time and your career must have been really exciting and I wouldn't say exciting was the word I would say it was because we weren't the same and you know they say don't leave it maybe you should never go back and I don't think I should have gone back because I'm imagining what it was in my mind but it was nowhere near what it like that the whole club was not like that Ted John Benson as you said signed you but he was quickly replaced by Alex Stock now what was Alex Stock like to work under oh sorry I'm another nice man at my age then after I'd gone through all this stuff like I didn't need this I didn't need this I mean I mean I remember his first talk something where he said it was my right chips he said we're Bournemouth and we're gonna get Jollywell stuck in and we're gonna go Jollywell up this league and I'm going no no and I and he'd done well you know he followed him and he had you know he had I think he had Marcy there didn't he and he had I think he had George George Best was there and everything and Bobby Moore and he no no he was all it was all that was not good I think Benji that's here he tells a story about we were they were waiting for they were doing a team talk and I don't remember this he said I think he's making this up to be honest and he says we were waiting for me I wasn't in the it wasn't in the change room he's given a team talk and he said in walks Ted and he's got a gas mask on a full gas mask on I don't I don't remember that but that's maybe what I was like you know I think it was very difficult to handle that's got to be one of the shortest stories Brian Benjafield has ever told well he kind of like you know it gets a bit longer as you know as I keep meeting him can you put your finger on why things didn't work out for you in the second spell players and I I I didn't have the ability to beat people run at people so on and so on my my ability was making runs and if you don't see it I might as well sit I might as well sit in the stand because I'll make the runs and if you don't see it and usually it's wrong to say but poorer players don't see see the runs they're just wanting to get the ball and do the right thing with the ball and pass the ball so they don't give it away they're not looking to go play the ball in and so they're not they don't see my runs and it was very very it was very very difficult and it wasn't a good thing wasn't in any shape or form it wasn't a great thing it wasn't good for the club it wasn't good for me it wasn't good it's disappointing and then just tell us about how it ended in that second spell well I went to Alan Ball this time who was the dear friend of mine got the job at Blackpool as the manager and he was still finishing off his his contract in Seattle so he was committed to go up there and and he made me first team coach so I've gone from here to first team coach and I remember they had two or three very experienced players and one of them was Peter Noble and Peter Noble played for Burnley he was a kind of bully-headed lad and he was he was they were all good pros been around a long time so I remember one of my first sessions and we were having a little keep ball and stuff and I gave a wrong decision inadvertently and he kicked the ball away and now everybody's watching this me with this and there's no Alan Ball I mean I'm taking this session and and he said Jordy he's like yeah you're legal and everything this is legal and he's going on and on and on and everybody call him Nobby for your noble and I said Peter Peter and it gave me enough time to kind of just regroup my thoughts and what I was going to say so eventually he stopped and I said because there was no dialogue between the two so I said Peter you're under pressure I'm under pressure we're all under pressure now go and get the and he did and they were fantastic they were really good and we managed to stay up that year and then things happened in my private life and then then that was it I just just quit everything I'll tell you it was a a very decorated career but in terms of AFC born with your incredible association with pub was marked in 2013 when a stand here at Vitality Stadium was named after you how did that make you feel well I remember I think Neil feature phone me and he said well we were I think we're playing Real Madrid and Ronaldo was playing out because I came to the game and they said oh they want you to they want you to open the stand I said what stand he said well they got us they got us stand named after you they want you to open it very proud you know like wow this is you know because Fletcher tells me I'll attend his stand it's bigger than mine so you know so it's okay and I don't think the stand had any toilets at one time you know I think they call it Ted shed you know and it was and I came and I it was like well this is it's wonderful and it was it was a it was a it was just great I felt very very proud it must have been a a very proud moment speaking of the here and now we believe you have links with Garry O'Neill from your time as Portsmouth Reserves he might have gone and he's gone to Christy who's from Inverness just like yourself yeah well Ryan Christy I yeah Ryan Christy I want to kind of meet and because I I found out that he was from Inverness and stuff and there's not been many players that have kind of come through from Inverness and even though my dad's team my team was the Inverness Clach and Cuddon they and they're still in the Highland League and of course his I think his dad is a coach at Inverness Kelly Fissel which was always the bigger club anyway we didn't like to admit that and so he I want to speak to him about that and you know where he's brought up and stuff and then and Garry I just just seen the first time since since he was 16 and it was a game it was a reserve team game Tottenay or something but we were playing Portsmouth were playing Southampton so you can imagine even the reserves it was a kicking match and this and that and the other and Garry was 16 he was on he was one of the subs who didn't have many I think we only have one or two subs I can't remember and I got him on with minutes to go and so I just said to him I said I think you owe me some money I said you because you had a hell of a career with that I said I never got paid for that so so I'm waiting to see if it'll it'll be a check in the mail maybe you can you can learn yourself that you were the one that gave Garry a name for I wouldn't say it's all but there you go yeah his first chance at senior football anyway moving on speaking of yourself just tell us a little bit about you know where you're living now whether you're still involved in football what what you're up to these days well we've caught I was coaching for a while Bobby Howe was one of the big coaches in in Chicago and he said you need to do coaching license and I did the coaching badges the B license then I did the A license then and then I met a character called Gavin O. and Thomas who who probably got the biggest well has got the biggest company for soccer in in the country called Gotts Sport and Gotts Soccer and Gavin O. and Thomas I said good job your name you know wasn't God you know be like Davies he was Gavin O. and Davies you know you know so he's he's become very dear friend and he's really helped me I've been doing it for nine years and people say like Neil Neil said what do you do? I said I don't know I don't know what I do but I don't know you know I just walk around and stuff and because everybody else is like IT literate and they're all great these kids and I'm the only person that works with a pen and a piece of paper and the pigeon gets in the way you know so but I enjoy it we I mean it's big company and we've got brand new offices and it's exciting time we've now called Got Sport and so we're the biggest in the country and hundreds of thousands of kids are registered through our system and do a lot of the analytics we run about 50 60 countries so we do the the French National League with PSG we do all the fixture scheduling for all the the soccer in in in the Premier League in Scotland we do the MLS Conquer Ball South American Brazil do all their leagues the Chinese basketball league the cricket in Australia so we do all the analytics and stuff we've got kind of loads of people who work all over the world not just out of out of Florida and we've got four mathematicians master mathematicians I don't know what the difference is between the mathematician the master mathematician so like so like wow that sounds good and so I just hear about those things you know from Gavin and stuff but you know it's it's been great it's probably next to football it's probably the best thing that that's ever come into my life it's been brilliant still involved indirectly with football and enjoy it Ted it's unfortunate people can't see you because you look as fit now as you did when you were playing so you're obviously looking after yourself off the pitch as well so apart from your work your your sort of home life just tell as much as you want so if you like they I you know I I never did a lot of running and work when I was playing but now I believe in it a lot and I just I think as you get older you can't stop and I I just believe in you know that you have to kind of work you have to kind of do so every day I either run I run I do into what they call interval running and then and then other days I'll do a bike ride other days I'll do weights you kind of lighter weights and stuff so every day and I really enjoy it and stretching and stuff and you know my weight now is about one probably about 160 66 167 well I played it 173 174 and then you know I things happened a year ago and I was diagnosed with you know like a cancer and I I went in and got got rid of that and I'm good I'm clean and everything's good and I go every three months to get checked and I just have to put the weight back and build up my strength and but I'm really kind of very happy and you know I've got a great great wife and you know I love what I do I live near the beach I live in Florida it's not the worst and as I said I don't want anybody to kind of feel sorry or anything but I mean I have a great life and I'm very positive I just believe you know I just believe in positivity and anybody that's negative you might as well stay away from me because I don't want you anywhere near me you just suck my life out I mean I don't need my life being sucked out with negativity that news about your cancer Ted comes on the back of David Brooks here obviously being diagnosed with with a cancer as well so if I could ask you sort of a message to him if he listens absolutely I you know the first two months you read you hear about that I have to tell you the story when I when it was diagnosed it was so that I went for my annual checkup and I had a kind of lump on my it was um tonsil cancer and it was all around the tonsil and it was like a bump but it wasn't hard or anything it was just soft and squidgy and then I went to get my annual he said you need to get that check so went to the ear, throat and nose guy that you put me in and this guy he had the he was a doctor in the in the navy for 30 years so you can imagine what his bedside manner was like he was like like that of a slug you know it's like so he goes and he feels it and he puts the camera down he's like yeah you've got cancer and I'm like wow I'm dead you know because that's that's the worst that's the you know it's the connotation with that and it's not great you know it's like you you just got this thing that wow didn't see that coming and then he says you're not gonna die with this I said okay okay sure look so so what I gotta do so he said well you gotta have chemo you got a radiology and then my wife gave me this the phone in the Mayo Clinic which is like a five-star hotel it's like unbelievable unbelievable like valley parking and all this kind of stuff and they do what this what's called it's a da Vinci machine and what it is it's robotic surgery and the guy's like six eight yards away a feet away looking in the screen and they've got this all going in my mouth with these fiber kind of tentacles that does the operation and he's doing it from over there and then of course I had lymph nodes removed that's why I've got this I've got a lot of street credibility I've got a scar it doesn't you don't see it because of all the kind of creases I've got with the age so you know so they um he had they took 22 lymph nodes out as well or something and um and then I'm in the I'm in this Mayo Clinic and it's like it's like a five-star hotel it was $17,000 for one night and then I'm up to $350,000 which Medicare you know I pay for the extra stuff and I'm not costing anything like that but it's and you know for for for Brooks you to go through it's you know you just you have to kind of be positive which I'm sure he is he's going to be surrounded by great people it's not it's not like you know it's yeah in some cases obviously it is it's um it's not what you want to hear but in most cases it's it's manageable and if it's treated early enough and if it's you've got great people doing it which um which you will you'll get over it and the thing that you'll now he's having chemo I never had chemo I had radiology which is they put you in the mask they make a plastic mask and you you're like Hannibal relector you know then silence of the lamp you know and and they screw you to this table like a gurney and this this thing comes over you and on my clavicle here on the side they kind of burn it looks like bad sunburn it kind of hurt so I went for six weeks and uh five days a week seven seven or eight minutes or two and then that kind of cleared up so the only problem I had was you know I'm still kind of feeling feeling my my um my neck and my saliva is not back to what it should be and then I missed and then I kind of missed the the um taste I couldn't taste food or anything which was really really sad and then my wife like she knows I hate Brussels sprouts I hate Brussels sprouts and so she makes this meal and she sees she said how was the food I said give me Brussels sprouts she's how I said I said I said I'm not blind I said it's my it's my it's my it's my taste buds that have gone not my bloody eyes I can see the Brussels sprouts you see what they taste I still I said it's still tasted like so you know it was um so I've gone through all that and now I'm I've got to go next month for my next one and then I've got another year of that then I do two years of six months six months but it's it was it was clear and everything so everything's good Ted I know that you're you've taken in games when you're over here are the cherries going up this season well being a fan I hope so I think there are I think the squads is deep probably as as it's been for a while um I think you know you don't want to hear and fans are you know when you get beat but you you know you can't go through this league without having some sort of kind of things happen bad things happen but you find more in that than you ever do with success and it's how players react how do they interact what's the next thing I'm sure Scott will be looking now say okay because he doesn't know he hasn't seen this how how are they going to be well will they roll their sleeves and say right we're going to have some of this are they going to go oh no the bubble burst I mean you don't know that he doesn't know he's never seen these players in any adverse situations absolutely well Ted it's been brilliant chatting with you but we always as ever end with a few questions from fans they've submitted some questions on social media so we've got a few quick fire questions first of all Steve on Twitter you've touched on this earlier on but with the higher quality playing surfaces around now do you think you just scored more goals now I know you said that the pitches before gave you an excuse for your touch but how about now if you were playing out there on the Vitality Stadium pitch do you think you just scored more goals I think the game well the game is different I think the three substitutes five substitutes potentially what what will come in or may come in it makes it into more of a game for coaches as opposed to just managers so they can change things and change the you know I don't know whether I would have liked to you played for your shirt you know if you were the number eight or you were the number nine that's your shirt and you wanted to play I mean you Neil you mentioned one season it's like I played every game well how many times is that going to happen you know and I just find there's too many games and nothing to look forward to because there's a game every day you know and I'm not talking about Bowman generally another question that's been submitted from our German fan group what was your first thought after the final whistle against Marguerite it sounds like it was get me to the pub for a beer well that wasn't your first thought I mean the first thought was get to the dressing room for a beer but no I didn't apart from enjoying it but obviously everybody did I mean I didn't really think it was such a big deal as I mentioned you know I went to see if there was anything going to be in the newspaper Fleet Street 11 o'clock midnight to see the papers were out and it was everywhere and then that's when I realized heck this is this is quite a big deal one from Paul on Twitter he's asking about your your shop in the Dolphin Center I think previously it was the Arndell Center do you remember that one yeah we had we had we had no hardly any stock when we opened it was a big shop so we all had empty boxes you know like Adidas boxes or Puba boxes that were there was nothing in them and um and it was yeah it was good it was good being with the fans I remember the one I had here in Boscom I'd go there before the game so there's like few fans would come in there like knowing that I'd maybe be in there you know and stuff and that was that was kind of neat because you were very close to the fans you know and you John invited you to go have a beer with the fans and I think that's was a lot of that is missing now for obvious reason with social media and you can be in compromising positions with cameras and different stuff so it's not you know it's not good Ted you probably answered two thirds of this question already Stephen Clarke on Facebook is asking when you left Bournemouth in 72 you must have had a wide choice of clubs to go to why did you choose Man United and how did the move come about we've answered the last two so did you have a wide choice of clubs to go to if I did I was never told that um I John John Bond was very friendly with Franco Farrell they were both you know West Ham people and then nobody's going to turn down Manchester United I mean you know where do you go after Manchester United you know so it was a massive big move for me it was you know it was big and it was exciting and and then I I managed to get a goal and we won one nothing on my debut and scored scored a header and stuff and that was like a dream you know it's great and then I remember one game you got I've got to tell you this one where we played Liverpool it was much much of the day and I I scored one and and kind of made another one for wind Davies and then the best of that was I had the best seat in the in the in the in the ground because I was on the pitch watching George best play against Liverpool and and just running rings around me and I'm like in all looking at this this is great you know David Cordell on Facebook one of the reasons you're here is for the 771 reunion apart from that Ted do you keep in touch with any of the team from that era? no no I I haven't seen some of these lads that I'll see tonight I haven't seen them for 50 years you know it's you know players it's you know like if you play in amateur you're playing with your friends or people in the pub and people that you liaise with and stuff but when you're when you're a pro a manager brings you together some you get on with some you don't get on with and and sometimes you kind of meet them directly and directly when I come back to Bowman they always talk to you know to see the same lads here and which is nice so I kind of like that Harry and Kevin Bond Harry Redknapp Kevin Bond yeah well Kevin I'm known since he was 1213 and Harry I mean Harry I've known for dunk these years and you know I love him both and you know Kevin comes from a good family and Harry is Harry's just a great a great character and just an absolute wonderful wonderful character and he's good I saw him the other night and I think he's coming maybe tonight and so he's that's nice you know I he doesn't change last question Simon Ashley on Facebook it's an interesting good question here because we forgot to say that your classic diving header at Aston Villa was actually on match of the day what was the press attention like after you scored that famous diving header was there still a lot of pressure tension then compared to what sort of press it would have got nowadays well nothing like what you get today for sure and you'd get it from every angle and you'd get it from you know whatever and it was it was just you know like we were saying there was 48,000 there I think it got broke and just a few years ago with Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday broke that record I think and it was it was just intense and and it stopped the momentum a little bit when we got beat and then we got them down here I think there was 20 odd thousand here and we ended up beating beating them down here and stuff and yeah it was not getting promotion stopped the momentum well Ted it's been an absolute pleasure to have you here on our AFC Bournemouth podcast thank you so much for joining us and we're so grateful to have had your time and you know to have you back over here at Vitality Stadium it's one thing to the fans I mean you know this is a long season and don't get down and I mean we'll be there at the end and just you just keep believing and keep supporting and keep you know to keep the faith because you will lose games you've got no divine right to win games there's another team that play in each game so move on with it now then if you've enjoyed listening to our podcast we would absolutely love it if you could like and subscribe on whatever platform you're listening on we'd also be very grateful for any shares on social media so that other fans be at AFC Bournemouth related or the general football fan can enjoy it too our thanks again to Ted McDougal and from Neil Perrett and myself Zoe Rundle thank you for tuning in to the official AFC Bournemouth podcast