 Talk we gon' have fun, we be on fire, we be league hustle, big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy E-C-E-O and I'm here with the lovely official Mr. Mako, what's going on? None of my damn. Man, I'm here a man, hey we got a special guest man, we down here in H-Town man, this our first time in H-Town. We been to Vegas, Cali, Atlanta, yeah we be in Dallas, but today we in H-Town where it really go down. I'm a Texas hard head, I love the south nigga and I'm at home because Texas is my home. Check it man, my boy Dougie in the building, what's going on baby? Hey man, we in here man. Same man, in here like, how do you say, we in there like swimwear. Yeah, I'm in here man. I tell you what, the young niggas say it's a whole niggas section. Oh yeah, I'm a whole niggas, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. So how you doing man? I'm cool man, I'm real cool man, like no bullshit. Yeah, I can tell man, you like you just laid back with it man, you know what I'm saying? Is that the Houston vibe thing going? You know, we screwed up. Ooh, we screwed up. Say so, so check it man. Are you originally born and raised here? Yeah. Oh, okay. You from the age? Yeah. What part of town? Most cities southwest, you know what I'm saying? Oh, you all over the thing really? Yeah, right, went to uh, Yeah, tell us how was it growing up in H-town? And why did you have to move around so much? Oh, shit man, you know, life, mama, daddy, they relationship, you know what I'm saying? Like, they was growing, I was a kid. I got to go with mama though. You got to go with mama though. Were they together? Oh, for a little while then they split up and shit, you know, daddy went and did his thing. Yeah. So, so the thing I have to ask you is man, like, so with daddy doing this thing, you know, mama doing her thing, what was you doing? You know what I'm saying? Oh, shit. Like, like, was you bad man? No, no, no. Was you getting your school grades and stuff? I was an unrolled kid and shit. For show? Yeah, I was an unrolled kid, man. He sounds surprised. No, no, no, we be hard heads. You know, we be in the street. I ain't fucking around really man until like when I was 12 when mama possibly lived up, that's when I started fucking around. Being rebellious. Now I want to be in rebellion. See, I was starting to get money. God damn it. Cause she had mom or pops left. Mom was struggling and nigga, we got a home. I'm seeing the vixen knows mom crying. I could read. I know what this shit mean. Yeah. My homeboy put me on the game. And so she from there. Were you the oldest child? Huh? Are you the oldest child? Yeah. Okay. How many siblings do you have? I got my, my sister Shamira and then like I said. What's her name? Shamira. Okay. My daughter's name is Shamari. Yeah. Our daughter's name is Shamari. It's kind of close. Then I got my sister Channing, Stiles, Kogan, uh, my brother Chris. Wow. My pops be slanging their dick. Wow. Pops slanging their dick. They ain't trying to get it. There's a lot of girls though. I don't know. I don't know. That's pops. Yeah. So pops. Duggy. The name, it doesn't show up in songs and everything else man. So ripping through the city like you do. What, what would make people put their eye on Duggy man? What made, what made people tell him home in the Duggy? Man, really cool. Like this shit started way back with me zero and Tray doing gorilla mob. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Okay. And Taz. Yeah. We started doing it then, but like before that shit, we was at Willow Ridge High School getting it in. Like a bunch of the homies man. Killer Klan, faculty, a lot of, a lot of the homies from Bridegate. It was like neighborhood then, Queer Run, Ridge munchers. A lot of the homies from most city man. Like most city. Yeah. They used to be at the Reeds until I spin that rap shit man. Like rear rap. Yeah. And then, you know, it just growled up and started fucking around with record companies and shit. How did y'all put that group together though? Like, how did y'all come together? Gorilla mob was really some shit. We started at Willow Ridge. Okay. Zero started that shit at Willow Ridge. There was a couple of other homies that was in it originally. The homeboy Tray. Yeah. And Tray Tramaine. I was at Tray. You talking about Tray? No, no, no. Tray the truth. I know he was in it, but yeah. You can't have Gorilla Mob without Tray. Okay. Yeah. But what I was, and we not said Tray. You can't have Gorilla Mob. But now it was one of the other homies. Tramaine, he ended up going to jail and shit when we was in high school. Okay. Okay. Then when that shit had started. But it didn't become like a rap group until like me Tray and Zero and Taz put that shit out. Yeah. Without our first album. How old were you when all of that went down? Like 1918 and 1918. Young kids. Yeah. Tray the youngest. Tray was the youngest. Oh, really? Yeah. The impact. How did you get that? I mean, when you first, when you, how did you first know, man, we got some like when you, from the people, you know, taking notice? Man, honestly, when everybody was just, we was just doing shows. Every guy down. Well, cause really, like man, we was just niggas who could rap. We didn't, we didn't know the business and none of that shit, man. It was just niggas who could rap. Like most niggas be. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And we put that shit out. We had, we had our home in Rock His Jacobs. Shout out to Rock Man. Love that nigga man. He the one who helped us develop it to who we was. You know what I mean? Yeah. As an artist. Like he the one who had us singing and doing all this. I was already saying cause he, that was he do. But he had us finding, finding our, our sounds and shit that we good with and using that shit in our music. So that's why we able to do that shit now. So once again, shout out to Rock His Jacobs and he was making all the beats for us and shit. Zero was making beats and shit too though. Zero make them beats? Yeah. He fuck with them beats. And he good with it. Like come out there with a hit. Yeah. I think he fuck with it. He, y'all done heard a lot of shit he done made already. And then making beats like since we was young in the room making beats we rapping punching holes in a while. What was you at when they made this song? I don't need no help my nigga. I can do bad on my own. In the streets? Yeah. In the streets doing my shit. In the streets doing my shit. They was doing some, they was doing the ABN shit. Yeah. And I was out in the streets just doing my own thing. That was, that was before, that was after y'all had formed. Yeah. That was after the Gorilla Marv shit. Oh hard. The Gorilla Marv, Slowloin and Bangin' and then the ABN shit. Okay. Got it. How hard was it to keep a group together? Cause you know groups don't never last. Nah shit they shit then last. I mean you know, cause I mean you know everybody man you know everybody had their own thought perceptions about shit and about what they need to be done and what need to be done. Well at the end of the day nobody, nobody really just knew the business and shit man. It's fucked up. So do you feel like if someone knew the business or all of y'all you think you still be together? Probably so. Probably so. But at the end of the day I mean I know for a long time we didn't talk with each other for a while and shit. Wow. But me and Trey, me and Trey, it's like through all the bullshit like I had man I'm gonna hustle all the way through whatever the fuck I was doing. I had a job. I'm gonna hustle. I'm gonna rap. I'm just not gonna rob and steal. That's not my own fuck around like that. I just didn't do none of that. So like through all the whole shit like me and Trey I think I'll come up to my motherfucking job and we'll be outside running it. Cause every job I had I think I was cool with the boss or the owner. So I pretty much did the fuck. I wanted to do it with every job I had. You know what I'm saying? So how did you and Trey still talk now? Right now. Cause that Trey Day thing is real big down here man. You know that's what, but when we was in Atlanta they were having Trey Day and Cheetan Ass My Room flew down. He did an interview with us when he got back to Atlanta. And it's just a big thing. All the artists were either coming here or either going to that rolling loud. It happened at the same time. That same weekend. The last Trey Day just passed. Yeah. I don't stage perform one of my new songs that I got with Bomb B cause it's so hard. You know what I'm saying? I performed that shit in Trey. So hard. Y'all got visuals to it yet? Me and Bomb. Me and Bomb are my broke kid, James. Y'all got visuals? Yeah, yeah. It's been out on World Star, Street Flavor everywhere man. That's something that's out there. Own them. Yeah man. We just working man. How is the creative, how's the creative just the process of going in there with Bomb and creating some real dope? Well actually man, like I been wanting to get something done with Bomb and I hit my Kenfolk Trey. I was like man look, run this up by Bomb for me. And shit, he sent me Bomb number. I ran it with Bomb on the phone like man I been trying to fuck with you for a long time OG. And I sent him the beat with the hook and shit to it. And you know I think he was sick and shit for a little minute. Like he went down with a little flu or some shit. Okay. But he shook back from that bitch and he hit me back. It was like I'm on the way to the lab right now, nigga. And this whole heart and sent me back to Verge and shit. I was like man that's what's up and hit him about the video. He was like no problem shit. He sent me the attic. Sent him the attic and he pulled it up and we rocked the fuck out. That's good. Rocked the fuck out. And on that same joint I got a Trey. He plugged me in with Big Crit. Big Crit gonna be on the rip. He actually on the remix. It's just not out yet. So we just working man. It's PUD shit man. We working man. That's what I'm talking about. So you basically what is the process for you when you go in there to create music? Do you punch in? You freestyle it? No. No. I write my shit. You write? Okay. I'm still old school. Old school with it. I just write in my phone now. You know what I'm saying? I don't use paper and pen no more. I write in the phone. They bought me an iPhone. Told me you gotta catch up. So you know shit. That's what I asked what it is. I made the right out of my songs in my iPhone. So whenever nigga gotta print them out for the copyrights and all that old shit. Everything be straight. How hard was it for you to adjust to the new technology? The way how things are compared to the way how things used to be in the music industry? I don't like it. I still don't like it. I still got a college nigga. Man how you do this? How you do that? On my son? I have my son do that shit. I'm like I don't know. How old is your son? He's gonna be 16. That boy just like you. They're that age. They know it all. You know it everything. He a football star man. Are you good with it? Boy you running down the track. You running down to feel yourself. How many kids you got? I got a daughter and a son. That's it though. You weren't like daddy? Nah. I know my wife since I was... Man I'm losing count. You can't forget that. I was about to say you can't forget that. You can't forget that. She gonna hear this. She know I'd be forgetting shit. She know what kind of hood she's got. About 13 years. About 13, 14 some shit like that. Dope man. Y'all what y'all meeting? High school? Nah. Diggas like that. So when you dealing with how is the creative process with the chemistry? How was it with you, Zero and Tray? It was easy man because we was family. Like we family. That shit was easy. We was niggas who was broke struggling and Rakesh was in this bitch cranking up fire's beats and we was just in that hotel and I were paying that story from the streets on these beats. on these beats, and that was the easy part. Making the music was easy, you know what I mean? It was us not knowing the business so we could get the motherfucking money. That was the problem. What about the show money and stuff? It didn't ever come through? No, we got show money, I mean, like I said, on all the other interviews that I did, I never set up no shows. I never knew how much we was getting paid and none of that shit. All I know is when my niggas said, hey, Dougie, we got a show here, nigga, bolt up, nigga, that's what I did. I bolt up and then when the money got broke, nigga, I just put my hand up and they put it in my hand and I put it in my pocket and on to the next. Yeah, that's, but you trust it. That's why, these my niggas, I don't, I'm gonna go back to the house, go to work, sell something because I'm a hustler. You're right. I'm gonna have me some hustles, man. That's what I'm gonna do. But even if they're your friends and stuff like that, you're supposed to always still... These was more than friends. These niggas I, I, I, I, we broke bread with, somebody split chimichains with, and you just slept in my house, slept with your house, like... But you still supposed to just know, right? Know what's going on. These were my niggas, man, but... So, okay, so if you're advising a kid back then, okay, 19, a kid out there, you see them going down the same road that you went down. Yeah. What would you add? They're in a group. Know your business, man. I don't give a damn. That's good, that's good. I don't give a damn. I don't give a damn. Who you it? I don't give a fuck if it's your brothers or whoever the fuck. Know your business. So that way, at least, you can tell them, say, bro, look here, we really supposed to be getting a lot of bread. Like niggas, we need to copyright this shit. We need to motherfucking get our publishing. We need to make sure we own the masters and shit. We need to know the business, bro, so we can get the money and keep the money. So everybody want to be in the videos holding up the money and the stats and shit. That's cool. Cash and shit, that's cool, but you got to keep that shit. Because these folks see y'all out getting that money and then they start hitting y'all out with these weird ass charges and cases and niggas be trying to get at your dick and shit. You out here spending your money on lawyers and born and dumb ass shit. Buying more guns and drugs and shit, man. Like that shit be crazy. I think that's why a lot more artists are going independent because they have that knowledge to know about the business. You win like that, though. You win like that. And the majors don't like that shit too, though. And I think that's why a lot of niggas begin to take down a lot of successful independent niggas. They be trying to take them down because niggas is thinking outside the box and getting their own money. And then motherfuckers, like at first, they probably went to the majors on some, bitch, give me a deal. And the majors were like, nah. And then they was like, fuck you then. Bitch, I'm finna go out here and turn up. And when it turned up and now they're getting all this independent money and them folks looking like, wait a minute, bitch, you getting too much money. We won't end. And then they're like, hell nah, bitch, I'm good with what I'm doing. What's the highest paid artist that you know of that's independent? I don't know, cause I don't watch other niggas pocket. Hey, I knew that was coming, nigga. Yeah, I knew that was coming. I don't know, I don't watch other niggas pocket. Yeah, that's a real one right there. And I'm gonna tell you something. I like that, because that's the answer. No, because I was just wondering, being independent, how far can you get in this industry? See, I know you'd be a young boy independent. And he going in. And he in. And I'm in the end. And take none, take none too. Take nine in Kansas, you ever heard of that? Yeah, I heard of that. Niggas independent, 80 million, 60 million. So he far as eating. Niggas going independent and winning, man. Yeah, so that, so hard. How was it doing that with Bun B and versus working back in the days? Cause we talking years and years apart. Yeah, now niggas more polished with his craft, man. Like I said, this rap shit easy. And then you got niggas like Kid James saying it on that whole the way he sang it. Like you can't do nothing but turn up, man, and go in. You can't do nothing but do it. Yeah, cause we just working with a bunch of creative geniuses, man. I ain't too shabby in my mother fucking stuff. You got to be special though. The reason you special is because I ain't seen Bun just getting on there with nobody here lately like that. That's a big deal. Yeah, yeah, that's the OG, man. But that's still the respect you got in the Houston area for him to step up and do that for you like that. That's dope, bro. It's a big homie, man, for real. How often do you write? Shit, whenever I got a beat to write too, I'm not one of them niggas that got a thousand songs all over the place. I'm not one of them niggas like that. Everything I do is fresh. Fresh. Everything I do is fresh. So you got to come into the studio and be like, okay, play a beat, find a beat. Or man, see me a beat. Bows ass, he be like, I got some beats for you and I bang my email look and I run through them hoes and all right, I'm fucking with this, this, that or that. And shit, I go on my zone and I go write my shit. How long it take you to write? It depends on the beat. Like if that bitch just grabbed me and I ain't got to like do no hook to, or like if that bitch grab me and I can start just thinking of the hook like right there on the spot. But I even having to write that hoe, it ain't gonna take me too long. Probably a couple of hours or two, maybe two, three hours to finish the whole song. Yeah, I'm gonna go in, yeah. But like last night shit, I had to knock out a verse or wrote that hoe in an hour. Like my young niggas, they real fast, man. I just, I be like really thinking when I be doing my shit, I be thinking. I be thinking, but I'll try not to overthink that shit though. You know what I mean? Cause I don't want to take too long. Cause I can't carry it. Yeah. I'm trying to take too long. So do you think that, do you think that So do you think that, do you, do you like what a music is now the digital world we in? Yeah man. I mean, see, cause you can be everywhere without being there. You can be in everybody house by just a click of a button. That's the, and that's the dope part of it. I can be on your screen. I can be in your ears with just a click of a button. How is the social media looking? Do you work it? I mean, I've been on that. I'll be. You go live? No. I'll be doing a bunch of shit. I'll be on my fitness shit. I'll be in the gym working out. They love to see that. I'll be putting up videos up and shit. Now I got my own little fitness company. Me and some of my healthy gang try. That's dope man. To be in the gym working out and getting it in man. I have to change my life from an unhealthy lifestyle man. I'm trying to live man. You got some of your road. If I put a beat on you can go in right quick. Man. I'm trying to get in. I'm trying to get in. I'm trying to get in but I ain't got a lot of time. You gotta be a dope beat. It gotta be something that grabs him like that. But I ain't getting in the wild but I probably can't still man. You know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna lie. I'll be just trying to figure things out man. You gotta push. Yeah. I want to show. I know already you got some. You been doing it too long. Yeah man. You know. It's too slow. That's all I want. All right. We be taking pictures. Can't hear them right. You already know that. Yeah I know. I love them niggas man. Niggas. Come on with it. Let's go. This is bottle top one on one. Big style. One time for your motherfucking mind. It's the nigga duggies. Bitch I'm on the grind. Yeah. And you know we all decide to drift up and drape back. You know what I'm talking about. It's the shitty motherfucking D. Bitch I'm a G. I walk in nigga T. Lee up on the dice game. And you know I'm gon' swing. Yeah. Bitch I do my damn thing. I'm from the side. Bitch I come by. Bitch I'm going dying. Yeah. Bitch I make your boogie dying. Mr. Duggie. You can't hear but love me. On the south side grinding hard and getting money. Buying slight money. Let the fifth dine. Rolling on false look bitches. H-time. Dripping on the candy. Sipping on branded. I don't drink alcohol. Bitch I ride candy. Riding on candy. Dripped up. You know we are on the south side. Bitch they show me love. Yeah. This is how we do it. Flow like fluid nigga. Getting straight to it. I do it. Man, that's my boy Duggie man. Say it man. Duggie man. I like to see him in the game. You can't have a horse that don't ride it nigga. You can't have a nigga that can rap and don't work with it. You know. We just come off the down. That's how I need it. Man, H-town. That's how I feel. That's how I feel when I think about H-town. You just put me there bro. You just put me there. That's how we had to do man. That's how we had to do it. So who was the first person you heard come with that style like that man? Man I see it. Cause it's the whole Houston movement of course. Key and Pad and all them boys man. You know what I'm saying? Them boys was the first to do it. Them boys. And they can't do it. They can't do it. They can't do tries. Did you ever see like Key or any of them boys just go in like in there? I didn't ever get to be there to see them. You never were there. I never get to be there to see them. You like them niggas going in. But I was at the house like with screwing them and shouting back and molding them and all that old shit when he was at the house in the moat. Yeah, yeah. I used to be over there at that motherfucker with Tray and Rowan. Yeah, yeah. I ain't gonna lie screw love the shit out of rope. I bet he did. He love the rope. He did. He did. How was those times? Give me a little bit of just, give me something on them because I wasn't there and I never could be there now but give me something on those times. The music industry, man. It was great because screw brought everybody together, man. Even like that screw shit brought niggas like as it continued to go they started fucking with niggas from the north and shit, man. Oh, really? They just started getting money, bro. Like niggas was like screw started some shit. Then, you know, they led on to Michael Washington doing they thing. And it just really started a whole eight-time movement where niggas, it was just love now. Yeah. Niggas wanted killing each other from over the north and the south. And like that shit stopped. So the music penetrated all that. Yeah, bro, like DJ screwed and, you know, that shit was the reason why that shit slowed up, bro. Like the north and south bullshit to me that's what I believe, bro. Because niggas started interacting with each other. At first, niggas, it was bad. At first it was bad. But after a while, like they start fucking around, yeah. You can hear them niggas on the screws right there from the fold. Yeah. You hear them boys saying shit, like they connecting. Let me ask you, I was from the outside looking in. When I look at like the younger dudes, like the sauce walkers versus the old. Yeah, just, yeah, versus, I love what they doing, but versus the old school, you know, type style of rap, which he does. He, to me, I can, I know he's, he used to know all in him. Yeah. Sauce, sauce, man. They got their own line, bro. Cause like on some real shit. Buddy Houston is hell. I'm going to be the first. I think nobody else said to me, that nigga is the reason why everybody dripping and splashing now. For sure. For sure, I know you. I don't, I don't give a fuck. This camera watching. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. On boss talk one on one. On boss talk one on one. I'm saying it. I believe right now, sauce Walker and the whole sauce tribe is the reason why niggas is sourcing and splashing and dripping right now. Wow. That's why if you, if you saying you sourcing and splashing and dripping in your songs, thanks to sauce Walker. Thanks to sauce Walker. Straight up. You know, it's always funny how like even when, when, when, when my boy UGK, they were saying trio and it was like, damn, like nigga was trying to steal what they had created. Same thing with sauce. A lot of stuff, not just, that's why I said it early in the other interview when I was on there with, with, with big pub, you know, man, people come down here to get different things and they take it back and try to make it their own in their own city. And they been doing that for years. It ain't just started. Texas got a thing, man. And they always come in trying to get it. The side man, I think we just like me personally, don't get it fucked up. New York and them, they don't want to start this rap shit, this hip hop shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? It made it big. Like, but in the side road, we got a, we got a style and a swag that everybody, everybody, everybody get a taste of. And they take that shit back and a lot of people don't really just pay homage though. They don't. They don't pay homage though. Like, I don't see sauce kid, get at them niggas about stealing it, certain things. He ain't even talking shit. He gon' get at them niggas. He ain't gon' let them niggas just get it. That's why it, it, it, it, it, it remind me like a PmC or somebody. Like, he ain't just feel to do nothing to him and he ain't gon' say something back. I been trying to interview that nigga, man. I like that dude, man. That little nigga there is smart as fuck. Oh, you know how to keep that attention? That nigga there get, man, that nigga there, it's molding that. It's molding that with that nigga. By me being the age that I am and understand business and understand and just, just marketing and, and, and, and, and going to give money. Now that I'm learning all the shit that I've learned now, he, he been around some motherfuckers and lunch and shit already. Wow. So I, like, I know like that nigga there, I watched this nigga on the, he was giving information about a new only fans thing since only fans shut down and some shit this nigga here and got a whole new motherfucking sight for motherfuckers who still want to give money on that shit. Like the nigga a young genius, man. Don't. And he gon, he gon' always give money. And he, and his team, he keep his team on too. So that's what, that's what I like about that shit. And I gotta ask you about the guy that we had on the show, DJ Chos. Yeah. What do you, how do you feel about his production and the way his, his whole brand? I mean, she a nigga working, bro. He doing this thing. He, he in the side. Man, I mean, I applaud any nigga from the side or any nigga who, who grinding and getting it in and trying to be successful with, with, with your God giving talent and putting in the hours for, for, for yourself and your business. Know what I'm saying? I applaud any nigga who's doing it because that shit hard, dawg. That shit hard as fuck, man. It's, it's easy for you to go punch a clock for, for another motherfucker dream and vision and just go there and do what they tell you to do for a certain amount of hours and get a guarantee whatever the fuck 25, 17 hour, 32, 19 hour, 17, 15, 50 hour whatever the fuck they use, they pay you an hour. It's easy for you to go ahead and do that. All you gotta do is get your ass to work on time, follow instructions and be a good worker and get the fuck home as when, when it's time to punch out. When you running your own shit, you gotta do everything. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta manage your own money for your company, for your motherfucking house, you got babies, you got every fucking thing, man. You gotta maintain. Let me ask you this, man. The way, the, the back in the day when I used to come up here, cause I've been coming up here a long time, I'm old. I used to go down, I remember at 14, 15, we'd get in a, in a, we had a thunderbird and we'll go down through about Doosan Park, my nigga. We used to go to this park and then we'd just come through, nigga, playing music, nigga. Y'all niggas poppin' trunk and everything else down here. Now that was even before that era, to be honest, because I'm old enough to remember that. And when I seen the boys, y'all flowed with that poppin' trunk, when was the first time you seen nigga pop trunk and do all that and ride elbows and vole? Man, shit, when they started doing that shit out here, I don't even just remember when it was doing it. It's been doing it ever since you can remember. Yeah, man, that's what they do out here. I mean, I ain't gonna say like in the 80s I would see it and that shit, but like in the 90s, When you started, when you started, when you started seeing swangers and candy paint, that's when you started seeing the pop trunk. Ain't nobody, with the banging and all that. I was a nigga showing the bang and the license shit. That's when you started seeing it. How do you feel like, about like, big creating them guys, man, loving the style and just captivating it in Mississippi and all these other places? Man, in the south, too. Because of, because of, because of Houston. They in the south, too. I agree with that. I mean, it's like, man, it's like good ass dope or some, a famous ass food that tastes so goddamn good that when people taste that, bitches just start spreading, just like dope. Like, that's how the style is, man. Once you grab that shit, that shit is just gonna naturally, organically migrate because people are gonna grab that shit. Like, somebody in the world is gonna like what you do. Check it, man. Top three artists of all time, dead or alive, any genre, top three. Only one three, number one. God damn, man, I don't, man. Any genre. Any genre. It can be anybody from, it could be anybody from- And this is your top three. Luther Van Dros to Pimp C. It could be anybody. It ain't gonna even be right. No, no, everybody do this. It's this tradition of the channel. Yeah, that's messed up. Number one. That's messed up. Number one. Of all time. Man, I'm going out. The goat. Damn, man. Give it up. See, that ain't right. Uh-uh, give it up. So you know what I'm gonna do? No, you gotta give it up. No, no, no, no, man. I'm gonna take, I'm gonna be wise. Me, me, me. No, you can't do that, you can't do that. No, give it, just give it. You know, it can change, man. Just tell us who you think the number one artist of all time is. Number one. Man, like I said, I love UGK, man. Okay, that's your number one? They, they, they, they. They hit me, man. Me and you, we ain't, I'm gonna have to call you every time I gotta get your personal number. When I come to town, man, you rocking out, nigga, you heard what they niggas say. They ain't listen, nigga. We riding, nigga. Me too, that's what I'm telling you. We can hang out, nigga, like. I love NJG, I love NJG, man. Okay, that's your number two? Man, I'm just, I'm just, Give me a number three. You know, fuck with Poc, man. Yeah, Poc. Okay, all right, all right. That's your three, you gotta stop rising. Say, yeah, cause I be putting this up, man. So UGK, eight ball, NJG, and two Pog, man. That's a dope top three, man. And it can change, it can change. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, depends on your mood. Yeah, yeah. So what's your favorite UGK song? A little murder, man. Them boys. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, man, come on, man. Fuck me up with that murder when I was a young man, man. That boy Pimp and Bomb went stupid on that bitch. Man, so if you would go back and talk to the younger you, man, when you was about 16, 17, you did? Oh, I can't even get him like that. Man, you, I can't stand you. You asked the questions early. Yeah, so what do I need to do while I'm in H-town, man? Where can I go give me some good food at? Man. I'm talking about a, I don't want to stand no line alone. I ain't done like you. I'm gonna say go over to OST, man, to Sunshine's, the vegan spot, man. Okay, you're vegan. Are you vegan? Nah, I just, he just be over there. I love this nigga, man. I eat chicken, turkey, fish, I don't eat fries, shit like that. Nah, it's all right. I try to eat clean and healthy, man, cause I was 275 pounds, man. I beat diabetes and high blood pressure. Wow. How long ago did you do that? In 2017, that's when I started. I quit smoking cigarettes and I started doing that shit, started working out. So now I'm 204. And you did that all on your own or somebody actually helped you to do it? No, his health was in your health. I know, but then sometimes, even when your health is at risk, it's hard to just break that habit. No, what happened was my mama died in my arms in 2013 and she used to smoke cigarettes and shit too. And I still smoke cigarettes four years after she died, but I always hear her voice telling me, like, you seen what them cigarettes did to me? Don't, don't, don't, don't be like that on your family. You know what I'm saying? All right. And then the fucking commercials will always pop on. Like, obviously now smoking a cigarette then one of them commercials will come on. Do you have COPD? Feel like a ill if you're sitting on your chest. I was like, man. Or that woman that talking? Yeah, yeah, that shit. You know, I'm like, damn, man. I think my mama be talking to me. So I went to the doctor and that nigga was like, say, man, you're 275 pounds. 275 almost hit the 300. Yep. And he say, you, you, you are pre hypertension and your blood sugar is one point away from having diabetes. Then I think it was like, you know, those two conditions can affect your penis getting hard. That's what it took. I said, what? He said, but we got medication for that. I said, hold on. So you trying to tell me I'm gonna have to take medicine for high blood pressure, diabetes, and it get my thing hard. He was like, yeah. I was like, hell no. He was like, well, you need to start smoking cigarettes. You need to start exercising and change the way you eat. I said, right now, today, I left the doctor and went to the motherfucking track and I walk around, run around, walk around. I did that shit. The first day? Yeah. Can you know how it takes time to build up to the room? The first day. I fucked that. I went and started doing that shit. The first two weeks or a month of me doing that shit, like I was black out, I wake up. You blacked out? Yeah, I used to. Where? At home or in the track? In my car. When I finished working out, I'd go sit down because I hadn't been doing that shit. Hell, I was borderline. I'm pretty sure my blood pressure was down. After a month? Yeah, like my first month and me starting to work out and shit. You think that your body would be used to it by that time? Yeah, no. Because I'm out there in the goddamn sun at 12 o'clock. Oh, you're the crazy one doing it at 12 o'clock. That was my boy right there. Real, real stop down. I went to go do it. So I did that shit and I lost 20 pounds doing that. And then I said, all right, I'm going to go to the fucking gym. I started going to my partner. He was a train at the gym, but I used to have to go to work. So he was like, fuck it, just come to the house. He had a gym in the garage. I go over there and work out by the hour and a half and go do the shit that he be doing. And I started losing my weight then. I went back to the doctor and he was like, no high blood pressure, no diabetes, nigga, you is good. I went on some shit. And you just kept losing it after that. How long did it take you to take the weight off? Like that. How much did you lose total? I got down to 198. So I lost all two 75, like, shit. How long? Like almost 100 pounds. And how long did it take you? About six months. Yeah, about a year. About a year? About a year. It took me about a year, about a year and a year and a half to get down to like 198. Man, big enough to see you, man. That's a healthy weight loss. That wasn't too quick. That's dope, bro. That matters. I don't take shit. I don't fuck with nothing. At the most I'll take is like a pre-workout. So you eat all, okay. So you said fish, chicken. Turkey. Turkey. Chicken, fish, turkey. No fried food. No, no, no, no. Do you do a lot of carbs or no carbs? I love rice, but sometimes I try to be like, now you can't have brown rice. Yeah, I like jasmine rice. That rice be good, don't it? I be putting butter in it. I ain't gonna lie to you, it's my own butter. I should like saute some of my wife or saute some spinach and I like put that shit on top of the rice. To make it healthy. You know what I'm saying? I gotta ask you a question back on the music. Did you ever, like with Rappelot being there, did you ever sign a Rappelot? Did you ever do anything with J Prince? No, we had them. I remember having a meeting with them before Meezy on the tray. We sat up at the compound and it was discussing something about doing a couple of guerrilla maravans with us. But we never did it. Never did it. How important do you think J Prince legacy is here in Houston, Texas? That shit, that's the OG, man. That's the OG. That's the OG in that time, man. He been, like I said, he been doing books and all kind of stuff. He even came out more on social media than I thought he would have ever done being that I've followed him ever since I was young. OG is a real powerful dude, man. I just hear him say. You know what I'm saying? Like he a real powerful dude, man. Like it'd be a lot of, motherfuckers wanna see him down because he do a lot of good shit. You know what I'm saying? I never felt that way. No, no, it's not. The people here? No, no, not people here. I'm talking about the old people up. I see where you going now. You know what I'm saying? They don't get in the bubble. Okay, yeah, political power and stuff. I just hate to see a powerful black man like that go through shit like that, man. I agree. And it is not even just him. It's a lot of them, bro. And every time you powerful and black and you take a stand and like, motherfuckers say they wanna come and get you. Do you see any younger person here in Houston who is striving to be almost, you know, in that show? Right. That nigga is pop. That nigga is really, really popular. That nigga, that nigga, I mean, you know. To be like a J-Prince? Oh, he dope, man. Like, I mean, I don't say like a J-Prince. He in his own lane, man. Doing his own thing. He more like on the humanitarian side, like. When that flood came through, he did a lot of work, boy. More than that shit. That nigga be every goddamn disaster that happened. They motherfuckers gonna pull up. They be pulling up. They pulled up on the Haiti people just to, when they pulled up, they was gone. Wow. They was gone. They moved all them people fast as fuck. That's dope. Fast as fuck. Straighten them up. They went to even look. They took them people to Mexico, I believe. Wow. That's crazy. So, man, we love you, brother. We appreciate you for coming, spending time on Boss Talk 101, man. I appreciate you having me now. Next time you decide to do a Bumbie, whatever, video and all, call your boy. Man, no doubt. I'm gonna pull up. Pop, pop, gonna make sure everybody who need to pull up. Right here, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get me there. Y'all get me there. I'm gonna pull up. Oh, man, I'm with the shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm with the shit. I enjoyed, man. I met him a few times, man, and just been a dope standup guy every time I met him. It was at different places. Vegas, wherever we was at, man. But just to be able to sit down with you, man, it's been an honor and a pleasure, man, because like I said, we are, I'm from East Texas. I live in Dallas, but I've been to. Yeah, my people got some shit out there. In here or something? In here or something? I be down there? Yeah. Seeing them music store. Oh, yeah? In the funeral homes and shit out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You be going home sometime? Going down there to see them? Well, that's not my home. Going down there to see them. Your people. Yo, when we used to be on the road, the shit we used to go out there and fuck around with them and shit. Yeah. You know, I used to go to them in the funeral home sometime. Oh, really? How you, you can deal with that funeral home, man? I can deal with it. I don't like the babies and shit. I don't like, I don't like shit. Yeah, that's bad, man. God. I can't look at her dead body. I can't talk to her. Not at all? Wow. Well, shit, I can't ace her. Yeah. You learn to look at them. You going to fuck around and see them? Depending on the way you're at. Okay, okay, put it this way. Freshly, freshly, freshly, you know, I can look at that. Yeah. But someone who's been sitting on ice for a while, I can't do that. Don't sit on no damn ice. They sit on that table. Oh. On that goddamn silver steel table. Yeah, getting that drain. That's right. Blood out, fluid in. Wow. We, hey, hey, that's on that, on that note. Boss talking 101 is a thing. Y'all, I'm nervous, nigga. It's Halloween month. Yeah. Hey, man, you ain't got nothing to worry about, man. Just keep doing what you're doing, man. You having positive energy, man. Put positive energy out, man. And just stay focused on what you got going on, man. Duggan, man, thank you so much, man. You the dopest dude, man. I love the fact that you came on Boss Talk 101, man. Say, man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, man. I don't want to tell y'all. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button. 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