 I'm going to go ahead and hit live Okie dokie Not bad for not being able to see anything. I'm Don't my glasses on Put those on It's much better Excellent. All right, so we should be live if We could get some nays or nays in the audio or in the chat if the audio is fine So that means Tyler you'll have to say some words This is me speaking saying some words saying some good old stuffs Welcome to everybody. We are running a little bit late. We're also but we didn't do one last week So we're probably gonna be a little bit rusty I'm assuming This is going to be a an iffy stream that's for sure because Well, not only am I not in my normal spot, but also like I've got workers over here, so We're gonna see how this goes. Oh, and also dogs that could decide at any moment that it's time to make out with me, so If anyone sees a dog leap into camera view at my face, don't worry Normal. Tyler's a tiny bit louder Hmm Well, I can go a little bit higher in mine I suppose but it'll probably mean that I'll blow it a little bit when I decide to get louder Start shouting to the microphone Probably went too far Interesting. Oh, there we go. Now I hear you. What's cuz you cut out there for a minute. The call ended and then came back Okay Yeah, it was weird. You know, it made the sound like you left the room and then you came back to the room for me Nothing happened other than I just like I've responded to you and I didn't hear anything Maybe if you're using a real operating system, I'm just pointing that That's something to do with it. That's okay. All right, speaking of Linux. Are you ever gonna make any more videos time? Yes, but I'm not making a video on The the next video that I make will be the first like proper dev log on the project that I've been working on but Mainly I haven't made it and he froze Yeah, this is gonna be a really good podcast I can hear you. Yeah, you froze like completely You're back now and now I can't hear you. I don't even know who to blame For all I know it could be my internet This is gonna be sick. Yeah, that's gonna be good. You guys want to see how amateurs do a podcast? This is how you do it All right That's what you get for using Windows, yeah Yeah, I wouldn't even known if you hadn't shown me your screencast earlier Can you hear it? Can you at least hear me now? I'm gonna take that as a no. That's interesting. Okay Tyler hang up and come back. We're gonna fix this. I swear. We're gonna fix this Okay, let's see Hi, there won't appear at all. I can't this is definitely something on his end. Well, this is shit. Yeah I've never claimed to be a radio voice Okay, so like You can still hear me I can hear you I can not see you now. Oh Well, I haven't turned on my video my bad Okay, literally nothing on my end changes Ever it's just I stopped being able to hear you See I left the chat and came or left the call and came back just to make sure that it wasn't mine and Did an internet test worked fine. I closed discord and completely reopened it and then joined the call so Hopefully that reset it and we'll be good That'd be nice Be great Okay Let's go ahead and meet while it's working right now. It's if we can't get a podcast in shall we? All right, you got audacity open Yes, sir. All right. I'm gonna hit record in audacity I'm gonna hit record in OBS and you can do the chat or the chat do the claps whenever you like Three two one And now although it's really hard to clap with a microphone right in front of me. I found that's a new experience All right, especially if you don't want to hit it. That's the problem. Yeah, just bash it across this face Having collar problems today Not get this collars stay in the proper position Everybody want to hear that Matt's having collar problems today. All right Let's go ahead and get started here So just before we do so I don't You know say this while we're recording we record is live usually every Friday around three o'clock p.m. Eastern time So thank you if you're joining us live If you say something in the chat, we will probably ignore you, but we're not doing it on purpose. We're just Involved in our own little world. So just know that we do reach super chat So if you really want to get her and send us money That sounded greedy, but anyways And then also this is gonna save about this. I don't really remember what it was. So we're just gonna get started. So Hey, everybody, welcome back to Linuxcast. I'm your host Matt and I'm Tyler So this is a podcast performed by amateurs about Linux We're noobs also. It's not as if we're not coming up on our 100th episode But we are coming up on our 100th episode and we were still noobs So also forgot to turn off the sound on the on the phone. That's excellent Matt. Excellent. Good job Oh, thank God you said something told totally noob Anyways This is the Linuxcast. We talk about Linux see things. So that's what we're gonna do We're gonna talk about Linux see things. We're gonna get very very nerdy today. Also. We took a week off so We're gonna be a little bit rusty and also at least one of us is having internet problems We haven't figured out who yet. It's it's one of the two of us Also, people still can't see Tyler. So I'm gonna have to fix that which is excellent Um, I appreciate the chat telling me that nobody could see Tyler. Um, you guys are good bros Let me see if I can fix this Here we go. Here we go. Okay, look at that. I probably should have noticed that but you know It's just otherwise just me my fat face on screen the whole time Talking to nobody just a random voice in the ether to nobody knows who you are Let's be honest people don't show up to this podcast for me. So I mean I think we'd have the face that matters for the podcast Sure. I'm sure. I'm sure. Um Because I'm the new mr. Beast Just with no money to hand out to anybody I do like I do like how multiple people have said that like my internet is the problem Right now and it probably is but honestly, I do got to tell you guys Just between me and y'all the internet here is better than at my own house. So That's saying it something until the electrician probably hit, you know cuts an ethernet cable or something Hmm, I didn't even think about that internet mess. I hope while he's here Coincidence, I think not. Yeah. All right. So Tyler, what have you been doing in the floss world over the last couple weeks? Um Really in all honesty mainly working at blender. Uh, that's that's mainly what I've been doing. Um I I haven't been we we were talking about this before We went live and or we started recording and also Kind of got cut off when I was talking about it, but I've been working a lot on doing animations and a whole bunch of different stuff for like game development multiplayer networking stuff like that and Just been learning a lot and doing a lot for the project that I'm working on And I haven't been posting videos or really able to because uh, a few of the different Like tutorials slash courses that I've been taking or they're not like On youtube they're like paid for on you to me. So, um, and then I've got one on a different platform But still I can't really Live stream or show off what I'm doing when I'm pretty much just following a course But yeah, that's what I've been up to just working a lot in blender. It's been nice What about you one day we're gonna get to see this game From the one day. Yeah the from the animation you show me looks like it's gonna be like, I don't know. Um Activision level I'm I'm I'm assuming you're gonna be the next blizzard I I don't think so I think the animations will be just good enough to not piss people off and that's what I'm shooting for That's that's a nice bar to set there It's okay All right, so For me So I have a few a couple things to talk about so the thing that I was going to talk about last week If we'd done a show and I hadn't had it back out twice Was that I finally got samba to work on footwear So I talked about this probably a month ago where I was struggling to get samba working and um, it turns out That the reason why I couldn't get to work Was because I was following the wrong instructions. I mean who the hell knew You know apparently fedora does things differently because it uses sce linux as a security layer on everything, right? And there are some sce linux commands that you have to enable or work around in order to actually get samba to work But I had no clue that those things existed So I was just following the standard samba instructions that you would use on any distro But they obviously wouldn't work on fedora because they were hitting wall So once I actually googled how do you use samba on fedora specifically instead of just on linux like a you know A total noob. I did finally get it to work, which is good I'm still having polka issues because polka is absolutely godawful Um, but eventually I will get that to actually run properly Why I can't just be like a regular binary that you just start in an auto start file Instead of having to have like a random file and slash etsy slash 10 million directories underneath etsy that you have to start It's dumb Also, why we can't just Seriously, why do we need 12 different polka agents? Like can we just not choose one? I mean, I can I'm not that I can get any of them run. So I guess it doesn't really matter Um, so yeah, that's the technical stuff that I've been working on and finally got working But also for those of you who've been watching my videos, you probably noticed that in the background Has changed a little bit. There is now a bigger monitor back there That's because I took one of the 27 inch monitors off my desk and that's not back there the 20 inch hp from 10 years ago, maybe even 15 years ago Finally burned out. It should the can And it needed to be replaced so I got a 32 inch a scepter from amazon and it's now in front of me and It is huge You don't realize there's such a big difference between 27 and 32 when they're sitting right side by side by side And it's like really really weird Also curved monitor took a little bit to get used to Um, it's just I don't know it adds a different dimension to everything. I'm used to it now but this So I don't know what model I have it's sector c s c e p t e r e I would not recommend this monitor everybody. It's fine, but the off axis Viewing angles are just horrible. Like you you look at it from the side and it looks like the blacks look Like gray That's the thing to keep in mind with scepter monitors. They are like they are really good for the money that you give them Like oh, yeah, it was cheap. That's where it's good. Yeah, it was cheap I'm glad it was cheap because if I'd paid more money, I would have been really upset But things I set right in front of it. The colors are actually fine. It's weird Like the blacks aren't great, but it's not like an old letter anything So it's not fantastic, but the 10 year old monitor that the 27 inch monitor has darker blacks Then this brand new one does is really weird. Um, so I i'm still working on getting the colors a little bit more calibrated like the colors on the 32 look really nice It makes the makes everything on the 27 inch which sits right beside it really blue like really blue. I'm not sure why Anyways, I'm still messing around with that. That's what I've been Working on getting my setup kind of where I want it to go. Uh, this is where the setup's gonna stay now for Quite a while because eventually I'm going to get a new desk But I've been planning that for probably about the whole time. I've known you Tyler I've been talking about getting a new desk. That's still not gonna happen until at least next year. So, um I just I have no clue what to do with this one I'm still I still gotta figure out what to do with this one. I don't know what to do with it yet And so I'm you're gonna end up doing What I told you to do the first time we talked about it, which is just chopped that bitch up throw her out like That's what you go ahead You're probably right But in order to do that like I think I've explained this like I'd have to have help The only person to help me do that be my dad and he'd take one look at this like, well, that's perfectly fine Well, is that turn my damage who cares man? You got this just wait till it falls down and breaks all the $4,000 worth of equipment you have sitting on top of it, you know Oh, that's that's not even the main worry is if that thing breaks, it's probably gonna kill or hurt you You come down right on my knees. Yeah, you got your computer Yeah, uh, so yeah, that's good. This is where the only problem I have with my setup right now Is that I had to move the ring light that I use so usually it's back here I'm beside behind my 27 inch monitor which has a little bit more room behind it and Because of that the ring light would go fully above monitor it was Shined all its light, you know down upon me But the problem is and I could set it keep keep sitting there But then it shines in the monitor behind me and actually it's Kind of shining right now Which is really weird because it didn't yesterday. I mean that's got moved But anyways, so it shines like a gigantic halo behind me and it's not does not look good It's still like I said, it's still actually shining right now, which I don't get but So I moved it back here. I'm not and because it's not behind the 32 inch monitor I had to set something under in order for it to even show It only has so much extension on it and um on the on the stand that it has so It still doesn't sit all the way above so I'm the lighting is not as good Plus now I cast way more shadows on the wall It looks like there's somebody behind me all the time It's really weird. So yeah, that's uh That's what I've been messing around with trying to get that The thing is I like how you didn't even mention the new decor behind you like up on the wall Oh, yeah, but that's that's the I mean, it's been there, but that's that's not the point Yeah, you definitely got to talk about that because that is really nice So first of all $15 on amazon really cheap, right? Of course But I had somebody in the comments when I first hang out I was like keep mad one of the things you tell us all the time is that you're not a gamer So you hang gamer type stuff on your wall. Um, you'll notice that everything here It's old style. So you got snes you have, you know, I'm not actually sure what that one is, but it's older Um, you got the game boy. I'm not I think that one there is original xbox But the point is is they're all older. That's when I was a gamer when those all older stuff Most of these are Nintendo. I just don't remember which one that was from Um, but anyways, yeah, you don't you're not going to see anything, you know modern on my wall Except for the except for the random Angry Birds poster behind me I didn't even notice it. Yeah I gotta be honest The entire time that we've known each other I've never once like I've seen the Angry Birds thing like Every time but I've it never once is my brain ever processed. So that's an Angry Birds So there's just there's a story. It's not that I'm like some big Angry Birds fan I played it. It was fine But I needed something for my wall and at the time I worked at Kroger and Kroger randomly has stuff in their aisles on sale and um that for whatever reason they had a whole bunch of posters in frames for like Five bucks like there are clean clearance for like I was like, you know what that frame is worth five bucks It's actually has glass in it, you know, so like I'm gonna get a couple of these and I need something to put on my wall So I have that and I have the Pac-Man one that hangs on the door Uh, I got both of those things for like 10 bucks and hung them on the wall because I need something to Put on the wall is way before youtube. I was like probably 10 years ago. So yeah That's the reason why I have an Angry Birds. It was just those were the two that were there that I can't really remember what else they had but it was Some weird stuff. There was some like hello kitty shit. Like, I don't think that's really gonna fit on my wall So these are the two that I ended up with that's the reason why I have Angry Birds sent me I don't think a week goes by that somebody asked me Matt. Why do you have an Angry Birds poster hanging behind you? I needed something. Okay eventually I'll get replaced with something else but for now I mean you would also assume that Eventually would be like, you know a couple weeks before you replaced it with something else, but At this point it's become a little bit nostalgic for me. Like it's back there. That's the reason why it's there, you know It's gonna it's like it's just you know It's something that appears behind my Behind me for no random reason and people just can ask about it. It's a conversation piece, man Yeah Um, you can still download Angry Birds. There's like a sequel now in Your app store It is still just as boring as it was when it first came out I totally thought you were about to shift into like I'm like, hey, this is not sponsored But like hey everyone you need to go download the new Angry Birds I downloaded it maybe like a year ago or something like that just to say You know because I'm like, hey, what's the second one? Like it's the same thing as the first one so, um you Remember when that first came out that rovio or whatever the developers behind it were like a People gave them like a five billion dollar valuation or something like that. Like they went really crazy This which developers rove. I think it's called rovio our rovio I think that's who I think that's who develops it I I have no idea what you're talking about. Anyways, whoever the developer was They were like a brand new developer that was the first game They went like viral about it because that's what was really really popular So they gave him like a five thousand five billion dollar valuation and then like right after that They realized that you only had one good idea Like it was like it was a one hit wonder like they knock them They came out can you imagine doing like coming up with an idea and someone giving you like evaluating you at five billion dollars now Hopefully they cashed out like hopefully like the the original developers that catch like see you later. I'm buying an island That's what I would do Um, it's like the plant versus zombies guys, right? I think they actually the plant versus zombies guys got actually bought by ea I'm pretty sure Wait, hold on. So you would actually buy an island like that that like like let's say let's just say theoretically Your linux channel explodes youtube Or like some major corporation buys it from you for Hundreds of thousands of dollars two millions of dollars you got by an island. Oh my gosh It's the wolves. Yeah I don't know what it is but don't think she hears something hold on Okay, so to answer your question would I buy an island probably not no i'm not much of a beach guy but I Somebody who shows me a hundred million dollars. I doubt I could keep making videos But you never know Because that's never gonna happen. I'm just I'm just saying I I don't know Uh, probably I probably Now I think about it. Maybe I would just I wouldn't be as driven to do it You know what I mean? Like I'd make a video a weekend and just be just and I Really wouldn't care at that point about views like who cares. I just I'd make the nerdy's videos ever. Wait a minute. I do that Anyways, yeah, I was just thinking about it. I was like, well, I mean if you're gonna buy an island You could also afford to buy the island that has you know, like really good internet So you at least have the option of doing it Well, I'd miss the podcast, you know, like I said probably nothing would change. I don't know Anyways, we have gone so far off topic. I That's true. I don't even know how we got here So that was what I did nothing other than the same stuff really with linux other than The usual stuff. So a bunch of fucking work like seriously work has been an absolute bitch the last two weeks It's been horrendous. I need a vacation That's what I need. All right. Anyways, moving on to the contact information. Finally only we're only 20 minutes in Uh, that's actually not a record by the way Not even close anyways, uh, you can Find all of our contact information at the linuxcast.org slash contact But if you want to know more you can email us at email at the linuxcast.org you can You can support us on patreon at patreon.com slash linuxcast. Tyler is on youtube I mean Technically he has a channel there. It's been a little bit neglected. It's feeling a little bit lonely But eventually he'll come back and be a youtuber again right now. He's he put on his game developer hat. He'll he'll be back Hopefully he'll be running a real man's operating system when he gets there Anyways, you can find all of his stuff at youtube.com slash zanyo I don't even remember youtube.com slash zanyo g right. I really should write that down It's been a week. I forgot who you were. I'm just It's like I you bits you've been gone for a week. I forgot your name and I'm just saying you haven't made a youtube video in like since august It's been a while It's been a while Thank you nest for the potential elgato cart. I appreciate that. I think we're talking about that in discord um, I should definitely get one of those but all right um anyways youtube.com slash zanyo g believe it or not. This is not the worst contact information section we've ever had Anyways, you can also subscribe to the linux cast the linux cast at youtube.com slash the linux cast Just let it be over. Okay. Is what all I'm saying is just shoot me now. I'm done. This is obviously not the career for me This is really bad. All right The linux cast that works less contact for all of the stuff if you didn't really want to get through all that Gibberish that I just mentioned Tyler's links are there. There's a link to the store there a link to the git lab which people seem to want to visit every once in a while Um, somebody asked me where you all my wallpapers all my wallpapers are on my git lab account all like nine gigabytes of them Same it destroys your if you keep your wallpapers in your dot files repo Good lord It gets so gnarly after a while even if you delete them in my defense. It is in its own repository. So They're not connected to my god. I had that defense But yes, definitely Just I wish that when I done that I zipped the damn things like put them in a compressed file that would have been so much better But did I do that? No, I did not do that Hindsight's 20 20 man. So I only update that repo like three times a year Because it takes forever And it only gets worse as time goes on. Well, yeah, because I'm always adding new wallpapers like like I had like Unix porn has a wallpapers channel. So I download like most of those Anyways, well, even if you delete them, they're kind of stored in history too. So it's like it's yeah Yeah, if if you do download that repo just saying do dash dash depth One or equals one or whatever. So you only get the most recent version always You're getting everything and it's way bigger and it only gets bigger So and I did just hit the microphone. So that's good Um Do you get the sense that sometimes the chat just talks about whatever they want to talk about have no cool What we're talking about. Excellent. Yes, there is half the time where I look over and I'm like I don't even know what you guys are talking about but sounds interesting. You guys are having a good conversation Apparently, we're just so boring. It's easy to ignore us No, we're more likely if you guys are just damn on topic. Maybe you guys just actually have some You know time here. Anyway, so moving on to the next section of the of the thing of the podcast of the Thing we're supposed to do the news every week. Well, I mean when we're when we're here We get the latest breaking news and this is the only place you're ever going to find it It's the least bias news that you'll ever see in your life Obviously cnn could take some lessons from us We're much more quick on the spot than cnn or msnbc or Fox news whatever and they should they should I mean we would be the shining Light upon all that is news Now that I've said that let's talk about some news that's at least two weeks old Okay, I'm pretty sure because your your link is from last week too, right? Yep. Yeah. Okay. Good. Excellent. So Tyler, what is your news link this week? Mine is surprise surprise About how fantastic Microsoft products are They're just superb if you don't know this Inside of teams there is this critical feature that microsoft has implemented where And I yes, I did say feature. It is actually a feature. It might not seem like it, but don't worry. You'll realize in time What they do is they take your authentic or your Auth tokens your authorization tokens, whatever you want to call them They take those and they store them in a notepad document And the reason they do this is because you see Life is hard for somebody who has to go out there and steal people's data and information and Do nefarious things with it life is hard for that person and microsoft cares so In an effort to make it easier for hackers and malicious bad actors on the internet to get your information They just said screw it and just put it in notepad documents, which I think is freaking awesome Like that is the best the best part about all this is their response to it Not that they did it, but their response to it was like basically Everything's fine Yeah Again feature we meant to do this. Okay. This was the way it was meant to be also those passwords you gave us Definitely not on one drive. I'm just saying Everything you own on a computer that has microsoft windows on it is on one drive everything I the the best seriously The the biggest competitor for microsoft teams is slack if I was running slack I would be pouncing on this like crazy like yeah We don't store anything in plain text Everything is secure even if it wasn't I would still say it, you know The sad thing is is like this this will affect Nothing for teams like Most likely Nothing will change. No, first of all Hopefully they'll stop doing it. No They've already said they're not going to stop doing it. This is the way they wanted to do Which is dumb, but also you're right people don't care about their security at all I mean even corporations apparently don't care about them. Like this is an enterprise product first and foremost. It would seem The enterprises at least would care Like you'd think so, but nah Fine. I'm sure it's fine I This is just it's so it's so wild What could possibly go wrong, right? Like I to me what what I find endlessly hilarious about this is like this is a company that makes like Multitudes more than most other companies that are making fractions Of what microsoft make Don't do this like it's It's not a thing about money. Like it's not difficult to do It's also common sense like they have they have like they could just like Random intern developer that doesn't even get paid You know it could just hey go fix this for us, you know Like they could just like the intern down the hall that lives in the cupboard that also has toilet paper and the mop in it He could fix this And uh instead they've said that's not a problem. It's feature the way it's supposed to be Yeah, it was it's really weird. Um, but Not I mean it's Microsoft I'm not surprised. It is nice when microsoft does make the memes about them like a reality Like it is it is just really nice Yep It's just microsoft. That's just microsoft being microsoft. They should be put that on a t-shirt All right, so My news item of the week is going to be about the most exciting piece of software You've ever heard about before in your life and that is cups now if you don't know what cups is it's the I think they call it a server but i'm not actually it might be a demon or something It's the thing that runs printing on your on your system now Raise your hand if you've actually printed something in the last week The last month the last year The last five years. Oh that guy raised my hand now Uh, uh, yeah I know there are people out there who still use printers. I know that that's true But i'm just saying i'm making fun of you because this is this is 2022 we should get past the whole killing trees part but anyways, uh cups 3.0 so The the history of cups is actually really interesting because it started out as an independent project. It was It was Aqua hired Aqua How the hell you say acquired? No, no, no, no, no, it's different. They didn't acquire it. They hired the developer who developed it So it became apples for a while The guy who who they call it aqua hire. I think it's I don't know. Um, okay It's it's a weird word But anyways, they hired the guy who developed it and he was at apple for a while and then he left And now it's being developed again. So while while he was at apple it kind of like fell by the wayside And now it's going to be moving on to finally that it's like 2.5 It's going to be down here in like a month and 3.0 is going to be sometime next year But there are some interesting features if I can remember what this article said because it like I said has been two Two weeks since I've actually read this so they Again, this is that fresh breaking news. Yeah, it's going to be they're doing a basically a complete overhaul it's a major architecture overhaul moving away from ppd files And relying on ipp everywhere splitting local printing from network printing support so that they're separate And various other design improvements, which is going to be it supposedly It's going to be removing quite a bit of legacy code and support as well Which will probably piss some people off because every time you remove support for 30 year old printers Somebody's gonna bitch about it. It is it is fucking wild How many people like you wouldn't think that anyone is print is using a printer from 30 years ago But anytime a company does this there's like There's like 50 people who come out and fill up a like this one obscure forum Like complaining about it. Oh my god I mean I know some youtubers that still like to mess around with dot matrix printers But I don't think that that's something that's huge. I mean, that's just a hobby And it's very easy for you just to use the old version of what cups or whatever. So don't complain Anyways, but it's kind of like the people who are who are into that retro stuff being upset When the new stuff like, you know, like you're getting upset that stuff in a common Commodore 64 isn't getting updates today. It's like come on man. Like just at some point In 25 years, I think people can make the argument. You should upgrade probably And the fact that cups is getting better is not a bad thing because I actually do know somebody who has now started using like printing and stuff with their company and so and they use open source and stuff there so But I'm sure it's a good thing for them. Yeah, so let me talk a little bit about my printing experience in the last few years So I'm glad you have one I do this and it's a funny story. So I don't print ever like I'm the guy who like every once in a while you just have to print something but Oh, and I'm sorry to interrupt again, but you are a writer too, right? Yeah, but I don't print anything like why would I do that? Yeah, no, I just I just I just want to declare I email everything they can print if they if they're really I mean it goes to a website So again, there's not a print version of the magazine that I work for that doesn't exist anymore So it's all it's all digital, you know, they shouldn't print it. But anyways, the the the thing is so A few years so when I was in college I printed a lot because you in college you have to turn in actual physical papers, right? So I had a like a laser printer. I spent like, I don't know $400 on the damn thing because it was always It just made more sense to me to spend more money on a printer that would have ink that would last me Basically the entire time I was in college and having to spend $70 on ink every three months because of an inkjet printer, which You know, that's just the way they get you the the printer's cheap Ink is expensive and that's been the way it has been for a long time right and everybody knows this, right? So I have that printer and it finally did run out of ink probably around 2015 ish or so it's still in my closet somewhere So I went without a printer for that entire time and then about two years ago I Needed to print something on a remember was a tax return something. So I pulled that thing out Obviously, ink's not any good anymore and it's out of ink or whatever. So I went and bought a printer for like $20 uh, and printers come with ink, right? So you which is you would assume right But the printers now come with so little ink you can print about two things before you had to buy more ink So I got on I was like I printed the two pages that I could print with that little bit of ink that they give you and got on the line and got on amazon as you do and found out that the official Ink that they give you or that you can buy for this printer is $80 for a set of four And I was like I need to print five pages I'm never going to use this printer again. Okay And I don't want to pay $80 So if you get on amazon and search for printer ink for your printer, you're guaranteed to find some knockoff printer cartridges The thing is they put drm on the fuckers. You can't actually use them. So I bought they're like 20 bucks I was like 20 bucks. I can I can handle 20 bucks. Maybe I'll I'll print some pretty pictures for the wall or something I don't use the rest of the ink Uh, I get it. I get them here. I get them in the printer They won't work because they don't have the right DRM. I was like, oh you gotta be fucking kidding me. I was so mad So I ended up sending back get the actual thing like if I ended up paying $80 to print those like five or ten pages I shit you're not that printer has now sat On the bottom of my standing desk ever since has not been used a single time until like a week ago When I decided I was gonna As I've missed around with that setup. I got that printer out and like, you know, I'm gonna test it See if the damn thing works It won't even work anymore because there's so much dust or something clogged in the spindles so so The $80 worth ink still sitting in there probably just as full as the day I bought it And you know The printer doesn't work Now I need a printer and of course they changed the shape of the printer cartridges So that this ink cartridge probably won't be working the new printer. So yeah Moral story. Can we just be honest? Fuck printer companies just all of them. They're like the biggest crooks outside of like nvidia, you know We'll definitely be talking about nvidia next week. I feel it They're all they're also probably storing all of my passwords in plain text only instead of Instead of like a notepad file. It's probably like an emacs file or something. I'm just assuming It's probably got an org dog probably all my org all the org mode is is there with with all my my printer because all right, so here's another thing I know that this is stupid like we really need to get moving on to the main topic, but This printer required an account to set up So they have my email address now every once in a while. I'll get an email in my junk folder from them Wait, hold on. You had to register the printer. All right. So I don't have any room on my desk Remember that so I had to use the wireless capabilities of in order to set up the wireless capabilities like sign up this Printer required you to register the printer before it would let you get to the wi-fi settings It's yeah, like It's the dumbest thing like fine have my email address just send me a whole bunch of emails I finally got into the junk folder, but they still won't let me unsubscribe from the damn thing Yeah, it's nuts Oh my gosh, this is terrible. I'm so sorry, man Like I'm pretty I'm pretty sure That that printer is was designed by Microsoft. I'm just saying it has to be it has to have been designed by Microsoft. Okay Moving on didn't only 1999 them Yeah, there is actually that hp service where you can subscribe to ink. It's really really dumb Yes You'd have to print an enormous amount of stuff in order for that to ever make sense I've had it. I've had to talk my grandmother out of buying it so many times. I'm like, please don't One of these episodes we're gonna have to talk about subscription services because they're really out of out of bonds in some place like some things like I wrote a blog quest about this Email apps used to be something that you could either get for free or you'd pay for right Not anymore if you want some features out of a mobile email app a lot of times you have to pay for that per month or per year and You know 99 cents a month still stupid But whatever No, no, no, they want like $50 a year For some of these email apps like this is dumb and some of the features they hide behind the paywall. All right. We don't need to get that This is definitely get off to office. We're already off topic We just spent the least 10 minutes talking about printers. I'm just saying If that is not the nerdiest thing ever I told you it was the nerdiest thing ever when I said we're gonna do cups We're gonna talk about cups. I mean it's it's great because like you probably pick this article If they can all will breeze right past this one. Oh, I thought we'd go really fast. Yeah, but no Should have known better. All right moving on to the main topic So the main topic this week is a topic that I have covered in a video a solo video before But I wanted to talk about this on the podcast So it really is twofold one is is the command line still relevant? And relatedly If it is should you spend time should you expend effort to actually learn the command line in linux So tyler, what are your thoughts on this? Um Well, it's kind of Pretty simple. I mean, I think the command line is obviously still relevant. Um just Probably may probably and maybe not for you Most likely it's not relevant for most people like Again, we're talking like most computer users most people using computers or Just doing some web browsing stuff like that. So For if that's you then no the command line is not relevant for you and has never been relevant for you So that's nothing new, but I don't think the command line has really changed at all. Um, the people who Want to do the stuff that she would use a command line for that she would have used it for 10 years ago still need or want to use the command line for the same things and then um, I I guess is is The rel like the relevancy of the command line for The people who do actually want it. I think the command line's gotten Or the ability to use the command line for the things that make sense for a command line have only gotten better Especially in linux. So like if you Don't need to use a command line I think linux has gotten to the point now where you probably don't need to go and learn it for you to use linux like Probably not at all. Um, I mean again, if you're going to be doing other stuff other than like light web browsing then probably Or if you want to do the stuff like theming and Customizing then yeah Which ironically is something that I hear a lot of people complain about with linux Is like they they they really are interested and want to come over and use linux because of how you can customize it and make it look really really cool, but then also Don't like linux because to do that you also need to know the command line which That's a whole other topic in of itself but I think in general no if you if you Don't like if you're not already interested in the command line, but you want to use like linux for Whatever reason like it's just safer or whatever like no you don't got to But for the people who are interested, I think it's only gotten better so That'd be my take Okay, it's that hot of a take but yeah, I mostly agree with you. I think that for most people Learning the command line is mostly optional. I say mostly because I don't think that you can get past it. I don't I don't at least not permanently for Even those people who just install linux to use for web browser Which I don't think those people mostly exist If you install linux yourself, you're not the type of person who just lives in a web browser I'm pretty sure that's true if you install linux for someone else It's possible. They just live in like my dad. He uses a boon to on his laptop He doesn't know he uses a boon to he just does Um, he wanted something that didn't update so we got him off of windows and went to to boon to it's never been updated It's fine. Uh, I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure he's got stuff scores stored in plain text. It's fine um The the point the point is he's never touched the command line in the entire time boon to his balance computer I know that that's true and I know he'd freak out if he ever saw the command line on his computer, right? It would Put it Piss him off Like he just get he'd get mad at random things. He does that all the time But the point is is that you know, he that type but if you you're the type of person who has installed computer on your own If you installed linux on your own computer I don't think that for you learning the command line is actually Optional because somewhere along the line you're going to try to do something That either only has instructions for the command line or is significantly easier on this command line and More I think you're going to come across something that when you google it You're going to find tutorials that tell you how to do something in the command line. So you're just going to do it um most logs that do tutorials for linux tend to put the command line Um steps ahead of any gooey steps that they might have if they even include the gooey way of doing things so I think and this this might send us off on a tangent But I I do just want to ask you don't you think that's kind of a good thing though because like the command line steps are one really easy Like to to write to like as a writer to put down for somebody it's really easy as a step by step thing and then two also it's easy on the end user because Like really you don't have to learn the command line You just have to be able to open it and then copy and paste We should talk about that don't copy and paste random shit off the internet. Okay, just We all we all do it I guarantee everyone in this chat has done it everyone in the this voice call has done it But don't do it do as I say not as we do Or really the main thing would be if you're copying and pasting something it's not that you have to understand everything about it, but at least learn or look Look up the command Enough to know that it's at least doing what you Want it to do or at least like you don't have to know specifically what it's doing but as long as it's like I mean if you're installing discord and The command reads some completely different application or weird thing like you should look it up because One of two things could happen one it could be a completely improper command and you're about to install some random shit Sorry got a drill going Or two it could be the fact that It might actually have a different name like that's Pretty frequent on linux distros where an application will be packaged Like in the package manager under a slightly different name or whatever so As long as you're just looking up stuff when you're copying and pasting and have a general idea of what's going on You should be safe. That's I think like when people who have been doing like Linuxy stuff and copying commands and stuff talk about it. Like that's kind of what we mean when we say like Look stuff up or understand it. So that's exactly what people should do, but I guarantee that's not what they do So Yeah, but before we before we continue on with this and I talk about what I need to talk about next somebody asked in the in the chat What is gentoo? I don't know how they got into the gentoo conversation It doesn't really matter, but then why it says gentoo is the bloat that comes with emacs and portage That's so funny, okay So like I said like I was saying I don't think that you can get past it if you are Someone who's actually installed linux on your computer I think that eventually somewhere along the line you're going into pattern to open up the terminal And put in some kind of command whether you copy and paste it off the internet somewhere or not You're going to have to do that and the reason why I think it's so important that we do At least learn some of the command line is exactly for the reason you were talking about is that in order to Understand what those copy and paste commands are you have to have some knowledge base for the terminal and command line The thing is is that that knowledge base isn't something that most people are exposed to until they come to linux The vast majority of windows users don't even know that windows has a command line You know like it does it has to you know Like it has two of them you can you can open it up in any time you can do many things from the windows command line But people don't And that's really like a super nerd, right? So Most people aren't going to ever have the experience especially younger kids so like when If if you grew up in the early 90s before way before tyler was born even You know You might have had an experience with things like dos or something like that where you have to where you had to You know interact with the command line like I took a computer class In middle school where we did some actual programming from the command line And it had to be saved to these gigantic five and a half inch discs um I think there were five and a half inches really big discs with holes in the center and it sounded like they were like Like it was a dj in there scratching the thing in order to move them But anyways, so if for the newer generation who has who never had that interaction with a computer ever It is going to be very It's going it's going to take some effort for them to actually that's the rule thing thing is that if you're going to If you're going to use linux a lot of times we say this all the time is it takes effort But the command line would be an extra effort that is the question becomes then do you really need to take it? And I think you do But that kind of leads to the question. Can you do you think tyler? actually, I think the To go off what you're saying, I think I think what you mean is is if you're going to use linux I think you do because like for your Like when it comes to like learning the command line and in linux like the reason it's pretty much like really Necessary for most people Is because most of the guides that you're going to read or look up are are going to use command line and What the whether or not you want to debate about whether or not it's faster or easier or whatever like At the end of the day, that's where most that's how you're going to get most of your instructions for doing stuff So if you're going to use linux, you probably need to get familiar with the command line But it's also kind of the same thing with like someone all right like you're a great example You pretty much have almost no exposure to windows like pretty much none Not anymore. Yeah. Well for a very long time if I took you and forced you to use windows You hate it because you can't do a lot of stuff because The the windows is not built for you to load up power shell and do most of the stuff that that you would do in linux through power shell like you just Sure, maybe you can I don't I don't even know if you can but like it's just not made for that And so like it's kind of you'll just have to learn stuff for each os and I I think the The thing with linux is even though linux has gotten to the point now where you don't really have to use the command line You probably do want to Because I highly doubt most people are like Super basic computer users like all I need is firefox and that's it. I'm good Even if you're not super basic So let's just say you play games. So you have steam you Maybe do some writing or something you take notes You maybe you do some file management. You want discord you have Uh, I don't know maybe furtium or something like that. You have like social media and stuff Like you're you're that kind of user you like your apps, right? You you have a whole bunch apps I've asked myself this question before can you be that type of user not someone who's going to do coding or Learn how to bash script or something like that But can you be the type of person who uses like graphical apps and only ever uses the GUI? And I think the answer to that question is yes It didn't used to be yes, like yes, I would completely agree with that. It did not used to be Even like two or three years ago. There were some things online on the on linux where you just had to use the the terminal Nowadays it's not It's really not that way anymore. You can if you want Use a 100% GUI experience on linux. You can uh, you can install via a GUI very easily. You're never going to see a Terminal for the most part even especially if you use like a a debium based distro or fedora They've even now hidden the scrolling lines of text that you would see when you load up into the You know the environment or whatever you used to be able to see like see the scrolling lines of text And it would look like a the freaking matrix, but that even that for the most part is gone Uh, you can boot into the to the system use your graphical software center to download all of your applications And even things like adding different repositories like if you used to be if you wanted to add a ppa On a boon to you'd have to do that via a command line now. You can do that via a GUI interface Adding flat packs or snaps or whatever those things can be enabled via a GUI interface if you want to it's Easier I think to do it in the command line, but you can do it via GUI so When we were talking about earlier how we think that you probably should still use learn the command line I don't think it's as necessary or it's I don't think it's As impossible to not do so as you used to as it used to be which is I think is an advancement I'm not sure that it's going to I I think that it does take something away from the linux experience In that if you learn a little bit of the command line, you'll find that a lot of the stuff that you would traditionally do with a GUI is actually Not only more fun in the terminal if you're a nerd, but also Is more efficient like a lot of times like moving files Renaming files and stuff is more efficient to do in the terminal. It just is And I think that that If you don't learn that stuff, you're kind of missing out That's What I have to say about that so I would agree with you So if you I think it's I think it's hard to make in a like an argument against that It's like really no you'll just save time like Yeah, like it's it's just it's blatantly more efficient, but I think it's kind of like them so Everybody knows I'm big them fan point when you first use them. You're not efficient at all, right? Like you're just you're horrible. You don't know how to exit it. You don't know how to move up and down You're wondering why the hjk and l keys are even used. I mean we have arrow keys for a reason What are we neanderthals, right? You're wondering all this It's to it's to the point where new users You like when you're going into vim as a fresh new user you go I genuinely think every single person that has recommended this program to me is not just insane, but unhinged Yeah, like like they're using the like we have arrow keys Right, and it's like and it's one of the few programs that there's whole form threats filled with people asking Hey, bro, how do I quit? Just want to close this it would have made a lot of people It would have been a lot less confusing for people If it was wsd, right? If if the moving around was wsd It would have caught the gamers, right? Like you would have understood it because like the gamers could have got in there They would have been happy moving around But hjkl doesn't make sense to anybody because it came from typewriters and terminals, right? And you know, there are still people alive who who realize this but I mean for the most part then the newer generation There is a hundred percent a fork of vim out there where the only difference is If I weren't so attached to hjkl now, I consider changing it to wsd because that'd be that'd be um That'd be an interesting experience because you'd be you'd completely change hands I mean you'd go from your right hand, which is most people's dominant hand To your left hand to navigate. I don't But that just means your vim config gives away the fact that you're a gamer to everyone. It would also everyone knows it would also Change so many other vim commands like a and d to delete and stuff and w's used and s Like it would change so many more you didn't that that vim config would be completely It would be completely completely different. Okay, but anyways I was in the middle of a of a Comparing this is something like that. I have no clue how I got an event. Um, so whatever I was talking about there is just gone off by the wayside. So, uh, we were we were talking about, um Um Yeah, okay. Okay, apparently it's gone to me too. I thought I had it but I I don't Yep That's what you get. All right Don't don't remember what we're talking about. That's okay. All right, so Um, let's see if I it's weird we're talking about Oh, that's what I mean the command line and right, all right, so When you learn the command line, it's kind of like those first few days learning vim It seems like it's the least efficient thing you could ever do There's a whole bunch of stuff that you don't know how to do And it feels like it's almost dangerous because there are commands out there that are going to ruin your computer You're gonna delete things that you're not supposed to delete You're gonna move things into places where I'm not supposed to go and you hear all these horror stories about rm-rf Star and all this stuff that's going to kill your computer You know, so you have all this anxiety at those first few days and it doesn't feel like you're actually making any progress towards being productive And you have that same experience in them where like I don't know what I'm doing I don't know how to move around. I don't know how to quit all this stuff Uh, but after you've pushed through those initial few days You would find that the command line becomes more efficient once you know what you're doing a little bit So that's the reason why um That's where I was going with the vim thing. Yeah, I I think if we like if we really do boil it down the the argument for using the command line is kind of a Ridiculous one to even have to make because it's the it's the same argument that you would have for walking Like crawling is reliable and really safe, but walking is a lot faster like You can fall you you you can and it could hurt but Most likely you won't And again walking's kind of better rm-rf is also a good way to install doom. No, it's not No, it's not I I I can't remember when it was but I think it was a few days. No I can't remember maybe like a week or so ago But anyway, it's at some point I was in a discord call with a few people and I was on my linux mint partition messing around doing some stuff and I came This close this close to rm-rfing my entire slash home on accident I Felt so bad. I was like god You really really got to be careful with that rm-rf thing and you don't you don't think That it's something that you could ever do that was is horrible, but I mean It's so easy just to delete stuff that you're not supposed to Yeah Well, the main thing is is like after you've been using linux for so long You get you get into the point where you're like you really don't think that you could ever accidentally rm-rf anything But you can and then it almost happened to me and I was like oh good lord Um, yeah, so that's it's definitely one of those commands It's just kind of kind of hit tension too because you really shouldn't use it hardly ever Like you you should You should if you ever see rm-rf in a tutorial somewhere never use it Okay, because they obviously are trying to do something bad to you You should only ever use that when you absolutely know what you're doing Which is to permanently delete that's the deleting stuff is actually the one place. I think that Yes, it's more efficient on the command line But it's actually safer in a gooey because a lot of gooey's has undo Capability so like if you if you undo something or if you Delete something in crusader or not a list or whatever and you want that thing back You can at least control zing usually get it back And then you've like deleted it permanently because it actually sends stuff to trash now A lot of people will actually remap or alias rm-rf to the trash So if you do do something horrible You can at least get it back although how Things how the trash is in the home directory if you delete the home directory it wouldn't have saved you so But at least if you delete your documents folder or whatever you'd be able to get back. All right So those are our thoughts on the command line Very interesting conversation My last piece of advice is just try it and look up a youtube video on it or something like that Joe Collins has one. I think that's his name That has like two million views or something like that Go look at his stuff Or look at anybody's stuff on this stuff and and just you know, give it a try I think you probably would be happy that you did and if you don't at least if you come across Something in the future that absolutely has to have the command line. You'll have some experience with it. So That is The final word on the command line So well actually I yeah, hold on. I will add on something also if you find out that you don't like the command line And you choose not to use it that's fine and Don't listen to anybody who tries to bully you into using it like it's fine that you don't use it I mean again The argument's there that it's going to be faster and you're going to hear that like that's Going to be a thing But there is plenty of people out there that will annoy somebody for not using the command line And look, it's it's fine. If you don't want to use it. That's fine. If you're more comfortable on the gooey just We always say that just use whatever you're most comfortable with but I mean That's the way it always should be All right Moving on to the thingies of the week. So this is the section where we each find something that is interesting that we'd like to share with everybody else and We couldn't think of anything else to call it. So we decided to call it the thingy of the week So tyler, what is your thingy of the week this week? Mine is you to me. Um, I Haven't really been like Doing courses and stuff from many places Other than you to me here recently. Um, I've tried out like most of the like online classes Websites and you to me. He's been really nice here lately. I found some especially for like game development stuff, um, like I've taken Here recently I took an animation course. Um, I've taken a unity multiplayer Networking course. I also had I also took an unreal. Um, c++ Um C++ and blueprints tutorial or course through them like that one was a year ago or something like that, but They've got a really a lot of really good courses on there and typically they're running like Insane deals. Um So especially if you're not already subscribed or have bought anything from them ever So like if you ever want to learn something or take a course Again, I know you to me sponsor stuff like it's obviously not a sponsor or anything But like they do have some good shit on there if you want to learn so Keep an eye out like if you want to learn anything Go check them out. Normally you can get them on Uh, pretty damn good. So like I've got one of the courses that I've got is like 160 hours Worth of content dies extremely deep in a networking and like some pretty advanced stuff And I think I got it for 20 bucks So well, you can also you can also like subscribe for like 30 bucks a month or something like that to get every access to everything, right? Yeah I think I did that for a little while. I don't think I ever actually took a course because I was much too lazy to actually do it Um, also, I know everything. I didn't know I don't know if you know that this is about I know everything So I don't need you to teach me shit. Um You know, there's gonna be some people like there's gonna be like one or two people In chat that walk like they walk away from this podcast like wow mad is really a narcissist Like he's an arrogant bastard. Um, also that little bit that I said that that's going to get clipped and shared around the internet Like this guy knows everything he even says so It's not true. I don't know anything. I don't know shit But here's the thing is Not knowing shit is actually the same thing as knowing everything Think about that. It's a little deep. All right. So I have Two this week. I should I should say one for next week, but it's great So the first one really easy. I needed something to back up my system on and There aren't a lot of good backup solutions for linux, unfortunately that have the ability to for you to store a lot of stuff Uh, there are some that exist. They're pretty pricey And I'm a cheap bastard. So I wanted to find something that was a little bit cheap So I went with pcloud. It is not open source, unfortunately But it is something that a lot of open source people use It is basically dropbox, but not as shady as dropbox. So Also a hundred dollars a year for two terabytes. So it's not too bad. Um It works just fine. It has a native Linux client. Unfortunately, it is an app image which pissed the Just like I hate amp image. Um, but anyways, that is you know We're gonna have to eventually come back to the app image topic Why you like app images? No, no, no, I'm saying we're gonna have to revisit it as in like I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people that want us to revisit Yeah, because I got I tweeted out my dislike of app images and gotten to this whole thing. I even got Brody even did a video about my tweets What app image so Yeah, we should we should definitely do that. Um, I was but when you said that was like, wait, you you like app images like Friendship over. Well, look, we used to we used to talk about this I use I used to really like am App images and I also used to argue to people that they should not that they would but that they should be the the You know Packaging standard So like the universal standard like flat packs app images and snaps out of the three We will save that conversation for the next time that that's why i'm saying we should eventually do it That would be I know people would like to hear that one. Yeah, all right My other thinking of the week is the keychron q1. It is a keyboard Yes, I bought another keyboard The keychron key that's not the one with the little screen in it, is it? No, it's the one with the knob But okay, okay. Um, it's the keychron version of the I just lost the the name just completely flew out of my head. But anyways, it's it's a very It's very well built The it weighs about 20 pounds. I'm not kidding you It doesn't actually weigh 20 pounds, but I bet you it's at least five Um, it it is astonishingly heavy. It's it's heavier than my kmed 75 Okay, and it is it's a good keyboard. It sounds Imagine it sounds fantastic. It's like 200 bucks. Um But anyways the keycaps on it are horrible Like they are so thin they were just not good So I had to replace the keyboard the keycaps with something that I had already had on hand Um, it will eventually be going back to going to my standing us That's the reason why I bought it was because my standing us needed needed a new keyboard. So, um Needed needed quote unquote needed needed a new keyboard Well, the only other one I had was that vortex race three Okay, and it was a good keyboard, but it has blues in it. Wait, hold on. You only had one other keyboard Hold on. I had others, but that was the only good one There's a keychron there's a keychron over uh somewhere in my pile of keyboards Uh, but anyways, no, no, I'm not gonna show if I showed you it would come unplugged It doesn't have a much much of a lead unfortunately, but yeah, it's it's it's pretty it's pretty good I'm glad you didn't buy the keyboard. I thought you bought the keyboard I thought you were talking about it's like four to five hundred dollars Oh, you're talking about the one with the screen on the back that has like a pixelated screen on the back Yeah, no no no not the pixelated one. It's it's a nice like little slim screen that goes on the back Like on the top side of the keyboard It doesn't fold up Which is the only issue that people have talked about with it, but I thought that was the one that you bought That was like holy crap. No, I have no need for the one with the screen on the back of it Even though I think it's cool. I've seen videos of that. All right So that is it for us this this time uh coming up next week. Why don't we talk about the app image thing? Um, we can talk about app images next week. It'll be fun to bitch about those for a while and do you want to skip the news articles for next week and we'll just do the um, um live chat discussion because We said we were going to do that every other podcast episode and I don't think we've done that one in a while Yeah, sure. We'll take some questions and answers next week too. Um, hopefully you guys have answers because all I have is questions. I'm just I All the viewers are like wait wait. I thought Aren't you supposed to come with those? Okay, if you've ever watched one of my live streams on on a sunday You'll know that half the time the only reason I can install anything is because I get quote in the chat Like they just watched my first gen 2 install. I had no clue what I was doing I was just thought that there's a reason why that gen 2 install fails because I was following six different people's instructions Anyways, uh, that's it for this week. We record this live every friday around 3 p.m. Eastern time Usually we're a little bit late today But normally around 3 o'clock p.m. Eastern time is when we do the whole Record thing you can find that at the linux cast on youtube youtube.com slash linux cast I should probably say I don't know why I've had hard times talking I'm pretty sure I had a stroke or something Anyways, uh, you can find us live there fridays 3 o'clock p.m. Eastern time We should before I go I should thank our patrons or my patrons. I should say thanks everybody who does support me on patron You can support me on patreon patreon.com slash linux cast All these fine people support me and I cannot even begin to say how grateful thankful all that stuff that I am without you The channel just would not be anywhere near where it is right now Which is still a place where I just can't even fathom like I was thinking about this the other day I got 3,000 views on one of my videos and I was so upset because I thought it flopped like 12 months ago if I got 3,000 views on a on a video I would have been dancing in the effing streets Now I get 3,000 views on a video. I'm like god damn. That's 10 out of 10 I don't know what i'm doing with my life. Obviously this youtube channel is not going to work. Um It's it's horrible like when I first started when I got If I got 50 views on a video. I was so freaking happy when I got 50 views on a video Now I get 3,000 and it is 10 out of 10 video like ranked out of the last 10 And I'm like, oh man, this sucks. Where's all the people? Well, and it also makes you go. Well, dang man that video I could have done so much better. Like you're like, I should have done better. Obviously that video sucked Um the 3,000 people watched it It's weird. It's weird getting more viewers. It's just it's just like the more viewers you get the worst It feels when there's not enough viewers. I don't know That's why I always try to be grateful for every view every subscriber that I get So anyways, thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you next time