 Nicole the October 1st 2020 meeting of the City of Santa Cruz Planning Commission to order. Could we have a roll call, please? Commissioner Spellman Here on way Here Dawson Here Maxwell here Nielsen Here Greenberg Fair shifrin here, so we don't have anyone it was notification. Hopefully commissioner green Will appear are there any statements of oral communication? I mean same disqualification Being hearing none. I will move to oral communications. Is there anybody on the line who would like to? Speak to an item that's not on the agenda, but properly before the Commission for up to three minutes I do see somebody has their hand raised Here you're on the line Please give your name, and you have three minutes. Welcome Here you're on the line Are they muted? I just asked them to unmute. I'm gonna skip that one Here you're on the line So for the members of the public Who have their hands raised? This is the time for oral communications If you wish to address the board on an item that is not on the agenda Now would be the time to press star nine to indicate Otherwise, please lower your hand if you're waiting to speak on another item Speaker you're on the line And now we have another speaker you're on the line. Are you here to speak for oral communications? The time to speak for items that are not on the agenda For up to three minutes Chair shifrin could we just remind the public that they might need to unmute both the computer and the phone? That they're using to call in That may help So you may need to unmute two things in order to be able to speak unless there's an objection. I'm going to move on and if member of the public does Ultimately turn out to one have to want to have spoken during Oral communications. I would suggest we come back and give them a Where this is a technical problem or just of where people are here to speak on another item So I'm going to move forward The next item is the approval of the minutes Does do any of the commissioners have any? Anges or revisions to the minutes from September 17th, 2020 Is anybody from the public want to speak to the? September 17th minutes Seeing none with somebody I wanted the commissioners like to move approval of the September 17th minutes Don't move on the approval. We'll say that commissioner Dawson moved and commissioner Nielsen seconded Yeah, is there any discussion? Can we have a roll call, please? commissioner Nielsen I Spellman I Conway Dawson shifrin I Amanimously and we'll move on to public hearings item number two City of Santa Cruz wealth master plan and environmental determination. Could we have a death report, please? Yeah, good evening. This is a big mormick with economic development. I'll bring that in forward Tonight we're just proposing a continuance of this item to a later planning commission date on October 15 Subsequent to scheduling this meeting and notifying the public of it other being held We received a request from the historic commission for an opportunity to chime in on the work master plan and After review with the city attorney and in internal discussions Well, we believe it's not necessarily required staff We feel it's fully appropriate that the historic mission has the opportunity to review the master plan and comment on it particularly Particularly given the historic nature of the work structure itself and as in they will have to Approve any historic alteration permits and in the future related to the work structure with that said You know, we're open to any comments or things you'd like us to to consider as we prepare our staff recommendations with October 15th date Okay, thank you very much. This is a public hearing so It is if anyone wants to comment on the item even though the staff recommendation Just to continue it. It looks like all the members of the public have disappeared. I Submitted before I just before the meeting a letter to Staff that I'd like to have added to the agenda when this item comes Returns on the 15th Is there any problem with that happening? Mr. Butler Good afternoon chair shifrin and commissioners there is not a problem with either a conversation amongst the commission or With presenting the information that you have submitted. I would remind the commission that if There is any discussion or if Information from a commissioner is submitted that to adhere with the Brown Act that the commissioners do not Converse with one another on the issue to avoid any Consensus that could arise from those conversations Outside of the public hearing so once those conversations happen amongst, you know, if one Report is submitted to the entire commission then That can quickly become a violation of the Brown Act if their conversations outside of the public hearing So we're happy to do that And just wanted to make sure that the commission is aware of those implications Okay, thank you very much So that letter will appear on the next agenda and Commissioners majority of the commission can't talk about it among themselves outside of the next meeting So actually no no conversations can occur among commissioners Outside of the meeting because if they're conversations that have happened or if folks start understanding the the Opinions if if everyone's understanding the opinion of one commissioner then that is has the potential to act as like the hub and spokes of a Serial communication whereby, you know the Brown Act a key tenant of that is to avoid any Consensus building outside of a Of a public hearing setting so I would recommend that there not be conversations if If information is submitted or if there's conversations tonight Well, as I say in my letter. I have a different interpretation of the Brown Act The public business should be done in public And that's when a majority that's why it requires that a majority of the of the public body not discuss an item outside of the outside of the public meeting, but I hear what the director plain director said and Commissioners can do what they will so Are there any comments from the commissioners on this item as opposed to just Accepting this death recommendation. Yes, commissioner Dawson Yeah, chair shifrin. I just I'm looking at the It appears that a couple folks have their hands raised And so maybe we could go back and just hear from them if they they have something to say about this item That's all I had to say I Haven't closed the public hearing so it'd be totally appropriate if there I don't see anybody there You you can see more than I can so if there are members of the public who would like to speak on this item understanding that it undoubtedly will be continue to the October 15th meeting just raise your hand and You can be called on This is the clerk there is one member and I'm going to allow them to talk for the other two people on the line If you wish to speak to this item, please press star nine and you'll be called on Public nine nine two one Yes, I see that Okay, you have to unmute yourself and then you have up to three minutes So member the public you may have to unmute both your phone and your computer Member of the public right now that we have online and ready to speak Please press star six to unmute your phone so that we can hear you We've already allowed you to talk repeat the last four of the number test nine nine two one The member of the public whose phone number ends in nine nine two one It appears you have not correctly connected to audio. Please dial back in if you can welcome Commissioner Greenberg You're just in time For us to finish our consideration of item number two if the member of the public nine nine two two one Want to speak to this? Item and is able to unmute themselves Can I ask the clerk if the member of the public has raised their hand to speak on this item? Yes, there are two members of the public with their hands raised the one that has the floor now last four numbers nine nine two one is Not connecting to the audio. I've asked them to unmute But they either need to press star six to unmute their phone or call back in. Oh, here we go Hello. Hello. Oh I've been trying. I'm sorry. I've been trying forever The directions didn't include star six. I've unmuted my phone and I'm sorry I was trying to speak during oral communications that I couldn't figure out the star six It's not in each direction That what you Did you want to speak on this item as well or just the oral communications? Oral communications. I have a lot to say about the war Smash the planet not right now. No, thank you When I will be I encourage you to put on the directions that we see online And I couldn't figure it out at all and heard there were other people maybe they couldn't figure it out It says on the directions just to press star nine and wait to raise your hand if you wish to comment It doesn't say Unmute or star six. So I'll wait when will or communications be allowed? I Unless there is a lot of more discussion on this item. It should be Quite soon. So hanging there. Thank you Maybe that's a good direction to staff to clarify the directions on the agenda So people know it to a new pressing star six We're all struggling with this technology Which is not simple. So is there no chair? This is Sarah clerk number two. I Just want to clarify for the last speaker. Did she want to or not want to speak on the wharf item? He does not want to speak on the walk war fighter. She wants to speak on oral communications Okay, so just to be clear besides star six anyone who has phone called in you can press the mute and unmute button on your Telephone and that will also unmute your phone. It does not have to be star six, but it is also an option Is there another member of the public who has their handrails? Do you want to speak on this item or oral communications if you don't want to speak on this item But on oral communications, you can lower your hand because once we're done with this item We will go back to oral communications So if you want to speak on this item, please unmute your phone start six or unmute and start speaking Okay It's amazing. I'm on the line. Thank you for calling on me I've been trying since office is the start of the meeting to unmute my phone without direction on how to do that I wish to speak on oral communication Well, you know, I don't know how to unraise my hand Because that instruction is not on your wait quietly And I'll call on you when we're done with this item. Okay Whoops, it looks like you muted yourself All right. Is there anybody else out there who wants to speak on this item? We will go back to oral communications when we're done with this item No one else has raised their hand chair Seeing no one would somebody like to make a motion to continue this Item to our October 15th meeting I'll move to continue the item till October 15 There's been a motion by Commissioner Neilson consented by Commissioner Dawson to continue the item Can we have a roll call vote, please? Commissioner Nielsen Hi spellman Hi Conway Hi Greenberg Hi Dawson Hi Maxwell. Hi chair shifrin Hi, okay. Thank you very much a passage unanimously this item will be on our October 15th meeting let us now return to oral communications and our frustrated callers who will now have a chance to Talk to us for up to three minutes on an item that is not on the agenda So you now know the way to do it. So hopefully it won't be a problem clerk will you call one of the Okay member of the public with the last four digits of four three seven oh you're on the line. Please unmute yourself Thank you. There go. I suggest When you tell us to unmute ourselves, please tell us to press star six for future. Thank you Hello, my name is Susan Monhight and I am wanting to comment on the 101 Felix street the proposed development That would require the city council to pass a general plan amendment and then spot rezone that specific parcel To accommodate a developer who wants to put in a lucrative Additional housing of up to 80 units there I think that By passing the public democratic participation process that was entered into To build the general plan that took seven years is I don't even have words for it. Not a good idea Spot rezoning is very bad planning and I urge anyone who has any vote in that to oppose it I would not want to see a coastal commission amendment to a plan in order to comment to accommodate this developer either um, a couple of things and I'll try to be brief When you have 80 percent plus bonus densities that brings up to 90 percent of public Of housing being at prime rate Then it's used the basis on which the affordable housing Uh cost Is calculated and what you end up with is affordable housing for people who make one to 200 thousand dollars a year And it's not really affordable and will not support the working people who serve this community I would also like to say that the cypress point development project just another example of how badly managed it is is that last week There was a there's sewer problems There's sewer leaks all over the parts the property and the contractor who is fixing it Asked everyone in the complex to park on the street So if you think that adding 80 more units won't have parking Rev repercussions to the neighborhood that's really really wrong In this case everybody Left to park on the street and many many of those people got tickets because they don't have parking permits so That contractor did not ask people in one area To park on the street one day and in another area to park on the street another day They they blankedly asked everyone to do it and that's um typical of the way That property is mismanaged on a regular basis so Please please if you have any ability to Stop and discontinue the proposed project at 101 felix street I urge you to do so for the neighborhood for the community For the protection of the environment. Thank you Thank you Can we hear from the next speaker, please? Hello, thank you in a long wait. Okay, so I have three very important questions. My name is kersha drum I have lived on felix street. I want to speak to that 101 felix street as well. I've lived there 17 years I also speak from many of my neighbors Who've lived here 75 years? We didn't move to downtown And it's remarkable just as a teacher to be able to Live in an area share the area with other We if you don't know our area we have the lion's share of density Please come to our street even during cove. There's not one parking space And often I know this neighborhood very well often cypress point as four to six people in their one bedrooms They do this to create affordable housing. So my question is You know, this is a long day. I've been teaching all day And I'm just I don't understand the system. I haven't been Getting getting an answer from ryan bane How does the city council vote to deny with prejudice? And how is it allowed to come back again that it has to be Revoted with people who weren't there for the entire public hearing. Please answer that question My second question is about density I've done the math Ryan veins numbers that took his numbers and he's saying that 20 percent of the 80 that 16 will be affordable But they get this bonus so they could build up to 120 That means on that parcel There would be 16 out of 360. So do the math That's about 4.5 percent affordable And I want to be clear, you know, we have our lion's share of affordability people have lived here longer than I In an apartment nearby that are truly affordable and they could not afford teachers Could not afford the 2400 That management is egregious. They tack on fees. They gouge people. They've had constant I walk that area. They have to had constant leaks and they charge the tenants For their leaks. Um, so I'm just curious if the density With the density bonus you are not giving very much affordable housing and my third question is around The area median income This point. Well, that was brought up already. So I'm just going to say that If you oh the density non-conforming density So the question is should they be able to double their density? Because they're going up 20 dwelling units. They're already at 27 and non-conforming And they're asking to go up to 30 dwelling units per acre. Well in actuality Do the math 16 divided by 360 um The math is we'll actually bring them up with 360 on an 8.8 parcel That is 41 dwelling units per acre So please tell me how are they how are they going from non-conforming and asking to be Doubling their density in an area that is the most dense already This will not be workforce. They claim it's workforce housing. It will not be workforce housing Please answer those questions about how this vote to deny with prejudice is happening again I do not understand the process. It seems very interesting all along. Thank you Thank you Thank you This project is not before the commission. It's not been before the commission It's before the city council. I think the questions are more appropriate to be brought to the city council meeting My understanding is it's the item is scheduled for the next city council meeting So that would be a time to raise your questions if you're dissatisfied with what is being recommended at that time Or even if you're satisfied with it Are there any other members of the public who would like to speak during oral communication? Okay, can you hear me? Okay. Yes, uh, please identify yourself and you have up to three minutes Okay, my name is chris gegers and I am a resident of About 12 years on philips street and I am calling in opposition to um the 101 project 101 philips project just for What the previous ladies had mentioned and also What they haven't as far as one It's an archaeological sensitive site and if you go through the general plan I hope all of you guys have being on the planning commission and you read over it And you look at all the discrepancies of what this project would violate and you are from archaeology So Liquification zone of femur to numb There's only one way of digress in and out of there. So if there's a fire or fluttering thing to get Anybody out of there? Can we just leave it on show? It isn't a fire heavy a fire hazard warning zone Um And these issues alone would just tell me that this is not a good idea to put more housing to put more housing In the spot Can you guys hear me? Okay That's pretty much all I have to say is it's it's not a good place to to develop in Thank you Thank you very much. Is there anyone else who wants to speak to this item? Or on oral communication doesn't have to just be on this item can be on another item if there is the interest Hello. Hi Oh, hi. So, uh, I guess I'm I'm live now. So my name is sondra ivany. I live Right near near lagoon adjacent to cypress point um I have been working with the committee for many years to maintain the lagoon to Obviously i'm not maintaining the lagoon, but it's the citizen's group that's overseeing that and it is a very um sensitive delicate ecosystem with 240 species of birds And the department of public works has a budget of about 300 000 dollars per year To maintain the lagoon to pull the tulis take care of it The site While it's four different buildings the cypress point development is four different buildings And comes very close to the lagoon, but I I don't really want to dwell on that might in my time because that should seem kind of obvious And I realize it's not before the commission right now. So we're kind of chirping in Had a time when it's not even before you But I think that many of us feel extremely passionate about this for a variety of reasons that have been mentioned The city plan that took seven years to develop and had input from 100 hours of citizen communication that the environmental issues with with building there the The social justice issues that was meant to mentioned about the rents and escalating the rents The gentrification the parking the safety. There's many issues And we've been many of us have been writing about them So it's almost redundant to talk about them But the one I wanted to talk about right now in the time left that kind of struck me today is the democratic process because When covet started and the lockdown started we've gathered in the first month month and a half 3,000 signatures that were opposed to this development and While we're fighting on the national level to keep our democracy here I feel like we're also having a fight here in Santa Cruz where you have City government that doesn't seem to be listening to the community's Um wisdom With the library garage and with this one and with many others Uh, growth is really not something that's unlimited. And I think we've discovered that Um, we don't have the resources for unlimited growth in Santa Cruz We don't have the water the roads any of it and um Um When this comes Hopefully this is not going to come before you because we are Wondering why it's going to be voted on a second time when it's already been voted on once And the citizenry has already put in so much energy on this that um I shot Okay, uh, I'm just talking about democratic process Guys and thank you very much Okay, thank you Is there anybody else uh in the public who wants to speak during oral communications? All clear. Okay. Um So i'm going to close oral communications now Move on through the rest of the agenda. Are there any information items from staff or anyone else? Uh, yes, I have one. I'm getting the commissioners Eric marlena assistant director. Um, I just wanted to report that um The nine-unit townhouse development at 9 14 9 16 seabright avenue was approved by the City council on september 22nd um, I'll note that when your commission reviewed that project last june um The developer hadn't had the incomes verified of the three tenants that were occupying the the units on property And so under the demolition authorization permit ordinance the assumption to make that they're either low or moderate income Therefore replacement housing requirements are triggered Between the planning tradition meeting and the council meeting the applicant went ahead and got one of the tenants Incomes verified through the housing authority and it was determined that they were in fact not Uh lower moderate income. So therefore the uh, the replacement housing provisions Were no longer triggered. Um, so that sort of became a move point the other item that was a fairly Significant discussion involving public access between Sumner and seabright The the council concurred with a recommendation and opted not To require that as as conditions of approval. So So that was not included. Um, but that project was approved unanimously by the council Looking at the schedule for the upcoming meetings In addition to the war plan, which you just continue to october 15th. We also have the Inclusionary housing ordinance amendments involving the section 8 vouchers scheduled for that meeting as well And then looking out to the first meeting in november We're targeting that as a potential date for the slope ordinance to return to you Uh, and then there's a possibility that a transitional housing project at 19 coral Schedule for that meeting as well. So that's those are the informational items. Thanks I'm done. Thank you very much. Any questions from commissioners? Okay, the next uh item is subcommittee advisory body oral reports And does any other commissioner have We just sort of got the report from the housing subcommittee is I actually can give you a report of some From the resilient coast technical advisory committee, which I have Representing a commission on as you know Um, the calcium studies funded it in the coastal commission is funded To look at the coast of the beaches Starting at sea bright and then looking at doing a study along west cliff in terms of how to Make the coast quote more resilient and it's getting near the end. So I think it may be worth it for me to Let you know. I'm sure Tiffany wise west will be here When it's ready to go, but I want to give you a little preview of where it seems to be heading the The plan will include a cost-benefit analysis Although Um, it's a very difficult analysis to do given so many of the variables There are going to be four options and looking at the different segments of the coast Business as usual a recreation focused action Protection focused actions and managed retreat Um, so they're going to be different projects for each Zone and it goes from the immediate 10 to 15 years to Longer term with some mid term as well And it's the plan is going to define triggers. It's not so much that those dates are in themselves Set in stone, but there'll be triggers in the plan. So when it makes sense to move from let's say recreational focused actions to one zone to Protect the coastline to you know, the next The next kind of action there's A lot they were dealing with uncertainty around the probability of sea level rise There's economic about evaluation and net present value The recreational values And among it seemed like Between the four different approaches. It had a minima minimus The minimus effect on transportation so the major findings were Recreational focus had the highest positive net present value Manage retreat was similar, but only if it was done recently The protection focus was also positive, but less and business as usual actually also had a positive impact, but A smaller one So there's going to be a a preferred adaptation strategy For each of the seven zones and I'll spare you Going through them. I did take notes if anybody's interested. I'd be happy to share them But just mainly I want to let you know that the I think the expectation is that the plan is going to be completed over the next Few months and in early next year It's going to go through the process which is going to involve recommended local local coastal program amendment So it will be coming to the commission formally for recommendation to the council on the plan Any items to be referred to the next agenda That commissioners would like to bring up Thank you all very much. We did get out of here Somewhat early not as early as I expected, but See you all on the 15th. We are now adjourned