 Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Look, we're late today a few minutes. I apologize everyone. This isn't Tom's fault Tom was actually perfectly on time We just got to talking about a D&D game that we're going to be playing and so that we were just talking about characters Like I'm not gonna lie to you. It was just a chance for us to talk about fun stuff We're both participating in and D&D is fun. So there you go. That's that's literally all it was At any rate, I hope everyone I mean there were there were some tech problems. There were some tech issues Yeah, that's true. I was working on that at the same time But also not mine. So hello friends So Today we're gonna talk about a book that came out and then like everybody forgot about it just nobody's talked about this book I've seen like no discussion of this And I want to know why so we're gonna talk about dawn bringers book one where I talk about the Harbingers I'm excited spooky We're gonna talk about the story. We're gonna talk about the new rules stuff like that But of course first as always the news Tom, what do we got not much but some things worth discussing? Rumor engine we do have a rumor engine So here's the question Yes, I'm ready. I know what I want this to be okay, but I also know what it looks like So I want this to be something night, honey Okay, I'm pretty sure it's something scabiny. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely something's gave me Because this is basically the arch to the screaming belt I mean, there's a lot of different this arch shows up a lot I mean, it could be a ghost too like it could be a dead thing realistically looking at this not through my biased eyes of believing this cave and re-sculpt is coming This this is sort of the base arch they could easily use on a lot of dead things or like anything in death or Skaven or a couple other armies as well would fit into this sort of space where they they use these kinds of They use this these sorts of these signifiers, but You're not wrong. These kinds of things do show up on Skaven pretty often the mix of the roots and the yes The arch is a very common visual signifier they use on Skaven. So Conclusion Skaven re-sculpt coming I was right. We're there we go Done Yeah, the and the reason why I brought up night on is as Romion said the branches do look very They're very similar to night on stuff. Yeah, I don't history and that's why like taking off my Hopium goggles it could easily be you know, it could easily be a ghost thing or something like that I mean one assumes we're going to get new figures with basically all of the Dawn bringer books over the course of you know them coming out. So I mean it could be any army. That's the trick Yeah, it's true. It's true. Yeah, I guess what I just have to wait and see This is a room like it's clear right you know what it is It's clearly a base to a thing and it's you can interestingly speculate on what they're gonna use. So yeah These are the most exciting of rumor engine. Yeah, I hate when it's just like a Unplaceable grenades grenades are the worst to me grenades grenades or wet or like guns are the worst to me I'm just like, okay 40k thing done, right? Yeah But more importantly, let's talk about the city unit range announcement sure, okay, let's say Yes, yes, so yes, but before we actually look at what's staying and what's going can I just take a minute and celebrate the existence of this Like this is such a fascinating Change of direction from where they well how they've been historically approached stuff like this sure that like I I Like I want to celebrate this like in my day. I Certainly was critical of GW at times, right? But I don't remember something like It's been so long but with something like this I I Can't celebrate this enough if I'm being honest sure like this level of transparency of just letting people know Hey, this is happening. Yeah, right like we're all excited of for the new book But rather than like waiting for leaks rather than waiting for rumors rather than waiting on all that stuff They got ahead of it and they said just so you know, let's celebrate this thing's coming But just understand there's transition coming and this is what that looks Okay, like I simply could not ask for anything more. Oh, well, no, I take that back GW paint the rims of your bases black Sure, but that's just life Like that Huracana man like I was so excited about looking at that Huracana paint job And then I saw that brown rim base and I was like Hard pass hard. I happen to have the picture of the Huracan. I'm here safe. That's actually what I've flipped you now The yeah, so what's confirmed is staying is like the Both versions of the the wagon here as it were as well as some other things that they mentioned. There'll still be Elves in Jordan right in the forest. Yeah, you see iron drakes in the picture Well, the elves are all the the dark elves to be clear. Yeah. Yeah yep, that's right and Which we suspected from the time that they said like oh the dark elves aren't participating or whatever and in the old world I was like, okay Yeah, and So that's saying but what more important is what's going which is this stuff here I have on the screen right now. I have their list So this is the free guild general and foot The crossbowmen and handgunners the guard the hellblaster volley gun the pistolaires and outriders the great swords demigrifes the finae and the associated guard of said finae Wildwood Rangers sisters of the thorn the nomad prince and shadow warriors and the sisters of Avalon so There you go. That's that's what's going Sickness Maximus says GW bring back the world or couldn't agree more I would love to see a re-sculpt and what a modern version of the world or would look like I think it would be incredible I think it would be incredibly fitting to the dawn bringer crusades. Let me just say that we're gonna talk about the story time later on of like what happens in this book and Yeah, I would fit a lot So I like come on. How are we not? How are we not? I don't get it So, yeah, the stank is staying around. Let's hope for good rules this time. Maybe actually make it a tank. I Don't know like I know some people don't like the sculpts. I love the sculpts on the stank It's fine. It's perfectly fine. I have no issue with it. It just it could be even cooler, but it's fine. I Do have to laugh good. No, I just say I mean I'm dude when I first when I bought my first steam tanks they were the Tiny metal ones that are like the size of a cavalry horse. So like yeah, I Certainly an upgrade No indeed. I have to laugh that we're killing the hippogriffs, which is The demigress, which is like decidedly like the most AOS model in the old range. Sure And we're adding back-end horses. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like what we've gotten new horses Demigress, yeah, we've gone like we're all the way back. We're all the way back now I mean, there's still they're still probably unreleased models. We haven't seen so who knows what's coming. Don't worry You might still get your weird cavalry No, it's true. It's true. So let me ask this Are there any Models in the range that's been cut that makes you sad Yes, I killed them and I'm glad they're dead. No, I mean no As they said the article by the way, these will all just migrate their way back to the old road Like they'll still be the old of course. Of course. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, and I understand that. I Shadow warriors Shadow warriors and sisters of Avalon Like I really really liked those sculpts and I like like I like the sculpts. I like what what those units were I just thought they were always like whenever I saw them on the battlefield They were always like they grabbed my attention and so to see those those go makes me sad So like okay, I love I was lying There is one the nomad prince because he was secretly like the cheatiest best general you could use in a in a Like a tempest eye army He was man He was so hard Yeah, it's you know and obviously like my entire high elf force was was Phoenix theme Yeah, like and even even like my luminous, you know cities combination stuff was all Phoenix theme So I'm sad to see all my Phoenix guard and and the Phoenix's go but be nice. Yeah, so I Mean ultimately I wouldn't say those though like to be clear I wouldn't say like the sculpts weren't anything to write home about and that's what I'm saying Like all these units that makes me sad that those units are going from a mechanic standpoint from a sculpts It's only the shadow warriors and sisters that I really sure You know like as cool as the Phoenix were and stuff like that I mean all that stuff is so monopos and tired and old like the Phoenix is a neat fig But it's so like okay. It's this big flat sailing bird, right? It doesn't have any movement no dynamism no life the Phoenix guard are all just like this stock Monopos thing like I'm not sad to see any of these things go and I am glad they announce us in advance You know, there were still people who were were talking about this or whatever and I'm like It was gonna happen. You knew this was coming like this has been building for a long time So no to me. I'm not like bring on the new like I've thought these things have way outlived their their Their their What I want to say their utility within the mortal realms how about that they put in a good eight years When they probably should have put in a good year and a half tops If we really had this if we were really doing this right, but you know, here we are So yeah, I mean thank you for announcing it. I agree It's good. Let people know and adjust now show us the rest of the range Like what else is coming to replace this because this is basically 13 scrolls being cut. What else do we expect? Yeah, um the Keith Rogers did mention something that I do want to highlight and that's that The article mentioned that like it was very open about saying like hey Use these for other equivalent approximate units in the army. Sure. So if you have these models Like you can still use them and that's I think one of the first times that like we've seen them like Openly support proxying in that sense. Yeah of using some gj You might like old gw models for new newer units Like having that come in an article like that again like that is a different direction than where we've been Yeah, well, and it's what we should see because it's exactly correct, right like of course No, I agree with that There's no reason like you have to throw your greatswords in the trash Like if you like your greatswords and that you're here for them or your guard or whatever Great, then just keep using them as the new steel helm guys, right and whatever there you are like okay me You know like nobody's coming to arrest you for using these models, so like they're Just because they're leaving the range in no way means they're not still perfectly valid in your particular army, so yeah I mean my I've built two cities armies as you know over time and You know, I have a bunch of pistol ears and slash out writers and my yeah, my role wins edge army And like but those are all dudes on motorbikes with guns, so like they're already proxies They're ready to be whatever the new thing is, so I'm good with it. Yep. Yeah, yeah Use your I'm excited elf executioners statements that will get you banned from Wolf lawn. Yeah, that's probably true Well, no notice those haven't been cut Vince the Phoenix guard He's saying use your Phoenix guard as executioners Phoenix start have been cut. No, I'm saying your motorbike motorcycle Yeah, they're both on here. They're both on the cut page. Oh Never mind there. I must mess up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I see it now. I see it. Yeah But I agree like yeah, the suddenly the Phoenix guard have gotten dark Okay, cool. No, I think that's basically all the news is quite weak It was mostly a 40k focused week obviously, so that's fine. Hey as we're going into pick of the week Why not hit like why not hit subscribe if you're excited about Potential new figures or proxying things or if you're excited the GW announces in advance or just because you like the show Hey, hit that button. It's so easy Alright Let's uh, let's talk some pick of the week Tom what do you want to share with everybody? Um Did I I guess you probably didn't do this one if you haven't seen it yet friend of the show. Hey woe plus Did a he rates ugly old Warhammer models last week, and it's a wonderful It's it's such a I watched the original and I came back and watch again on on hey woe plus I couldn't I couldn't get enough Check it out folks. It's so good like man. It's so good Almost as good as his sushi tier list, but it I mean it's good sure I looking at some of those models. It's amazing to me that people ever played Warhammer It's my answer Like yeah, none of those models are rations at I think maybe like two of those I own at some point in time I never liked them like most of us was just like I always thought those those were the most those things he's rating were ugly Period then for all time. Yes Yes, I have no nostalgia for that stuff So yeah, it's great. It's great. It's really good I'm gonna give a quick shout out to a OS coach because we're gonna be talking about FEC tonight because of some there's some big changes in Dawnbringers for flesh-eater courts, but we're not gonna do the whole show on it So if you do want to see a whole show Deep diving into flesh-eater courts and the big changes to the flesh-eater courts army as a result of these new Scrolls and harbingers. Hey, hey, you can find the link for our good friend a OS coach down below who does a wonderful show and retrospective With a cool king guest who certainly knows his way around the Icarian tribes. Okay So with that Check out those links, they're all they'll be down in the description Let's uh Let's talk about some hobby time man. You back to paint anything yet Tom you painted anything where we've literally flipped to Tyler is the one who always has something to talk about with painting and you've been letting me down. So you got anything? No Like I I have a D&D model. Does that count? I have an arrow a little. Did you paint it? Nope, it's on my desk though. Oh No, it does not it absolutely does not okay It's uh I'm getting close What we're close? I events are events are approaching so Like not Yeah, as Anthony is quick to point out not Nash Khan, but I But the holy events are are coming and I'll definitely be going to them and I'll need painted models for that Time to get painting Tom Yes, I will be at Nash Khan very much looking forward to it Yes, both of my co-hosts have have skated out like losers, but that's fine I look forward to seeing everybody hanging out. I'm gonna gonna have a have a good old time playing there It'd be a long cry from last year It was great year Tom. All three of us were there Looking down the tables, you know, it was like the yet that at the end of that in round four We were all like in the top ten or whatever just like boom boom boom. That wasn't last year. Was it last year? No, that I guess it was last year. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah Yeah, me you and Tyler on What two three and four at the end. Yeah, it's a good time Maybe I'm now that you're none of you are there pressures off I don't even have to win three games because I can I drove myself Yeah, you don't worry about walking home. Yeah, there's no three wins Homeroll wait now when you're the driver so I can just take it easy phone this one in just have a good time Looking forward to it. Oh, there is Yeah, I I Would love to be there. I have a friend's getting married and so I want I need to be there for him absolutely you Also Have something to celebrate since the last time you're on the show You want to say that? Sure Did you did you consciously on the same hand? I I'm the same. I bet I'm the same co-host I've ever been indeed nothing has changed I've always been the same coast. Yes, Tom got married. So everybody congratulate Tom. I've always been married I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, sure Tom. All right. Yes, Tom got married. I'm Everybody congratulate Tom. Congratulations. You're Your your new wife is a Very very cool lady. So I'm very happy for you Tom. I'm gonna say that publicly right here. Well, thank you I appreciate that Vince and And Vince just wants me to be able to go to events which the reality is is that she has no problem with that One yes, but like that is to say that to the last part your sentence to I've clearly proven over the years I'm willing to go to events without you Tom. So that's fine. I'd prefer to have you there, but you're not a requirement That's indeed indeed. That's true indeed. That's true There you go For my hobby time, it's it's it's been it's been busy. That's all I'm saying. It's been a full summer Yeah, sure you you moved house got married. Yes, you've done a lot I have been quite busy with my hobby time So I finished up this speaking of wives. I finished up this girl, which is a gift for my wife so she's all done there and And very happy with how she came out. So that'll go up to to Kathy so she can have that and it's Fun stuff there. Yeah. Yeah, she came out real nice I got a few more towel assembled and They're back there. You can kind of see them sitting in this general area They're they're waiting to get painted But there is something else that has hit my desk recently that I'm very excited about To be shared in the future and in a video. So you'll have to wait on that one So it's been a bit very busy hobby time for for myself. So Yeah, thank you to Anthony who? Crazy horses in the chat Anthony's the one who actually provided me with this figure To paint as soon as I unboxed it my wife saw this one and was like, oh, I like that one You should paint that one. I like the owls. She by the way Anthony didn't know this but my wife has a like she likes owls. It's like what her thing, you know So she has a bunch of owl related things in her office. So a druid with two owls was like Boom right up her alley Why didn't why didn't you go snow owls for the contrast? I liked the more sort of Barney owls as there White I felt would have been too overpowering to the thing because that her hair is already so so Like that red hair is really really stark, right? Like it's really attention grabbing And there's some distribution of other red around the figure. You can't really see as much in this little image, but But I felt that like yeah bright white owls would have been too much The face of this one owl. He the front of him is pretty white if you can see that there you go that guy He's got like a little, you know, yeah Little a little white. Yeah up front Right up her alley Boom boom nailed it All right, uh, well hit like for all of that stuff for having good partners. Uh, okay, cool Tom Shall we uh, shall we move on? And uh, I'm so ready harbingers Okay, yes Let's talk harbingers or dawn bringers book one Uh, okay So dawn bringers book one Overall, I thought this book was really cool Um, I like it. I like books like this. I wish they would do more books like this is my simple answer um There's sort of an interesting amount of detail and texture on the mortal realms Uh, you get like you get introduced to several interesting personalities that I kind of wish we had more time with It's also supplying really fun options for path to glory some new match play stuff It's an excuse for new figures all that's good. It's a cool way to help multiple armies at once My biggest problem with this book tom Honestly, okay So Yeah, my biggest problem with this book Was there wasn't enough Like yeah, there this I I read through it and The story is pretty simple like we'll talk about it and exactly what's in there They spend a decent amount of time introducing sort of the new Harbingers because that's the whole point like the the main four figures and stuff like that There's a named version of each of them in the in the story, but My issue with it is I really wish they would have gone in deeper In some places like we meet some really interesting characters throughout this But we don't really spend enough time with them I would have liked to see them actually like dig in a little deeper on some of these side characters Um that I thought were like had a lot of potential and seemed pretty cool Um, they they give like some passing mention to the rest of the realms and what's going on there But they again that was something I would have liked to see more of I would have liked to see more support for like playing these cool narrative scenarios that they describe in the story Um, there's a really really cool fight that the fire slayers and the get's take place in And I'm like man, that would be an amazing narrative scenario to play. Okay, like it is super cool. Um, and Even like the the nergal FEC showdown would have been would have been really neat But so like I just would have liked to see some support like that Where like hey, here's some cool. You want to play these scenarios? Here's here's the rules to play in that Scenario and you don't have to bring a fire slayer army. You don't have to bring that just like I mean a couple pages It's all I'm asking for here, right? Like it well they they used to do that Right, they used to do that And I think a lot of people were critical of it And so they betched And then we they are not doing it. They didn't do it this time Yeah, so I It felt like a missed opportunity To really dive into some of the narrative here and and give some orange in color Uh, I'll say art wise. There's some really nice art in here. Some of it's reused Um, but but it does cool pieces nonetheless Um, there's some good new art of like the harbingers and stuff. I really like Um, there's a couple good new maps that are really cool That'll be really useful like for soulbound games and stuff like that Especially depending on where you are in the realms But yeah, I just would have liked to see the ability to actually like participate in This stuff Right, and I think that was the missed opportunity Yeah, and you know the path to glory does open the door to that sum So I don't want to I don't want to be like there's zero of it in here But it's it's like I don't play path to glory. Okay. I just don't I play normal 2000 point games But I'm happy to play a sort of cool different scenario Right that has a more narrative flavor So that's what I really would have liked to see where I was just like open army agnostic But here's like battle at the glass factory. That'll make sense in a minute. Don't worry Um It just would have been cool So I feel like that's the missed opportunity here I don't disagree Yeah, I don't disagree Let's see Yeah, sickness maxima says the problem is in the past They'd say you have to play these two armies with these units in those scenarios. Yeah, exactly. That's wrong And that's always I've always lamented that and complained and railed against that I think that's just the incorrect way to go about those things The scenario is the scenario just we can all imagine two different forces took place in it in our imaginary world of our table Right. Yeah, I don't I'm not trying to recreate the exact Historical thing. I'm not a historical wargamer. Okay. I just want to take place in and play in like an unusual scenario Like there it's armies fighting in weird places is cool, right? Or so with weird things going on in the background They're they're looped in So And then somebody had asked, uh, yeah ram ramium said, uh, I still have no idea what kind of book it is Is it mostly a lore book additional rules for casual games only how about match play? Yeah, it is a bit of a sort of my honest answer is it's a bit of a It's got a bit of a civil problem in that regard, uh in that So to to break it down. It's not that thick of a book Um, no, I mean most of these narrative books aren't and by the way it'll it it shows up as narrative plays As an aside sure, um on the website and so it really feels like it is a miss From that standpoint because if it's not actually providing narrative scenarios like what's it doing, right? So there are about 21 pages of lore Yes, so it's about that much of the book Okay Then there's some cool like army shots and things like that just neat stuff But you know, it's kind of a cool cool spreads of the of the new figs Yeah, and paint jobs and just you know lots of showing of them in battle Then there's quite a big path to glory section like I will say if you are a path to glory player, which I am not My guess is this is very worth it because there's 20 pages of path to glory rules in here Which is new battle plans and new Stuff For them a new veteran abilities and quests and things like that all stuff that means nothing to me But uh, I imagine means something to to people who enjoy that rule set and then the book ends with about 16 pages ish of match play rules Uh, which is the the new regiments of renown Okay, so there's your breakdown of what's in the book Um as far as like how it's actually spread out cool You know one of the things I mentioned here on this slide tom is It's I talk about you know helping multiple armies It's a cool way to introduce new match play rules and you know introduce new figures It makes me wish we weren't on a three-year cycle Because on the three-year cycle what it means is that they have to put out 24 books in two years right, right every every They get two years of just constantly making battle tomes and then they have one year to actually like tell some real story To to do something in the world and then they're back on the two years of treadmill again Right. Yeah Yeah, and so on and I'm like geez wouldn't it be neater if we just moved the story forward through This kind of stuff more and had like a five-year cycle. I don't I don't know man. It just Three years feels how about that we still keep cranking through additions How about a four-year cycle? where you have two years And you have a narrative event in the middle of that two years Like two years in sure So kind of a because mirror of each other Well, because if you realize it like yes, we have three years with it with an off year And then in this off year it leads into the new edition And so like you basically end up getting like four narrative books and then a launch box and the launch box has the the new story development Yep, like so Uh Stormcasts are fighting a bunch of blood, you know bloodbound whatever and then suddenly like oh, negash is the big bad Right, you know like malign portents. I'm not a negash like malign malign portents led into the negash Launch box right and so in general that's how they've done it Which is like narrative book narrative book narrative book narrative book release And it would be neat if we had like like launch with narrative Two years Narrative campaign right and then in two more years. That's when you launch Yeah, sure, right. So at the end of that year, that's the lead in that's the lead in into Um the new edition and then you stretch it out a little bit from an in addition standpoint And you also like you ease that like tension so that you can tell stories in between addition change sure Uh gobb said do you think that with the old world coming out? They'll go to a four-year cycle like you presumably the old world comes out Next year or something who knows who really knows? Um, and my answer is no definitely not In fact, it would be exactly the opposite job. It would only encourage them more to put out a new edition of aos Those are two separate studios. Those are two competitive studios Uh, so like they've got sales numbers to hit and they don't and they want to beat the other studio So You know one studio doing something influences basically zero what the other studio does It's completely separate teams up and down the line There who writes the books who makes the figs who paints the stuff? It's all completely different So, okay. I have another pitch. I'm right. I have a different I have a different idea. Okay. Let's go to four years still. All right You have your narrative launch And then rather than like two years of insane books And then a year of narrative books that have updates to all the battle tomes Right, yeah Imagine a world I'm ready My imagination where I've got my imagination hat on tom You have a launch in the summer You go one year and next summer a narrative book launches Okay, and so rather than those narrative books being The updates during that dead year to the to the armies The updates that would be there are just then The battle tomes that release on the next year that are tied to that narrative book Sure, you could you have less and then the next summer story. That's the issue No, but what I'm saying is is that the main arc of the story Is in the summer book the narrative book with scenarios and stuff like that But then all the battle tomes that launched that year tie into that narrative In some way and so that like the narrative developments are going to be present and and push through that Through the actual battle tone updates in that year. Sure. And then the next time you get another summer You have another narrative development With all the battle tone updates. So rather than having one narrative year every three years You have narrative driving the launches for the next year And it gives an idea of what the launches are going to be because whoever the major players were in that narrative Are in the in that narrative book. Sure Uh Master shake that is not the case the three or he said the three year cycle is based on having three core games 40k aos and horrors heresy the old world or another game would have to be elevated to being a fourth core game To get a four-year cycle. Um, those aren't the three core games of gw Horrors heresy is again owned by a different studio. It's over here. No, it doesn't care. It doesn't matter It's your it's your skirmish games. Yeah, it's certainly not one of their core games Um, that like financially I don't see sales numbers or anything, but it's certainly not on the level No, it's 40k aos and skirmish. Correct. And so like and even those are on off years But like by skirmish, they mean kill team or cry the associated entry products that they use It's not on a three-year cycle because of anything like that. It's on a three-year cycle because that's what they're That's what the business people demand for revenue because new editions are very large money making periods And like that's it somebody sat down and crunched the numbers of what's the fastest we can possibly push the market to To drive towards those high revenue sales periods Nothing more complicated than that and somebody was like well two years is too too fast and four years is too slow So there it was they they they regressed some business plans and had an internal discussion and came to three years That's That's it Okay Um, Anthony Erlinson says I'm realizing I don't understand these competing studios. We're talking about sure There are two separate studios in games workshop Effectively what we would think of is like forage world or specialist game studio and then the then the main studio These have different artists designers different development teams painters Rules writers development teams, etc. They are completely separate verticals within the company they report up through different people and so on and so forth and As a result of that They are naturally competitive because that's what happens when you have two groups within the same company making the same effective product right and So like you're certainly not going to be shown up If you're the main game studio by whatever the specialist studio is doing and if you're the specialist studio You're going to be scrappy and you're going to try to do whatever you can to break through and beat the other The bigger thing because you're the the david to the goliath as it were so That's what's happening. I'm by the way, it's not as though these people don't get along I don't want to say that there's any animosity there. It's nothing like that I'm talking from like a business perspective only As far as I know all of those people are actually incredibly good friends and Get along well and are one big happy corporate family And you know that kind of thing So they have bottom lines and then yeah, yeah, yeah exactly like you know at the same time It's like rah rah go our team, you know that kind of thing Yeah, I don't want I don't want to I don't want to in any way be thought to be spreading some kind of rumor that like there's internal strife within gw That's not the case People all know each other and get along very well so to use A parallel in the industry likely It would be something like, you know, we haven't mentioned magic yet. It'd be the difference between your magic like card game Oh, sure. The digital team. Yeah, sure the digital team magic arena, right? Like they're both selling magic They're selling very different products with very different reporting structures Like and that that are functionally their own teams that are that are both contributing to the bottom line But they're functionally competing Sure, sure. Yeah. Okay. Cool back to harbinger and away from gw corporate structure or whatever Yeah, I mean like, you know, it's uh You know, they're they're they are what they are. I'm I'm glad we have I I think aos Is been growing to such a good place because we have such a good Main game aos studio right now. Like I really think that designers the writers the people they have in there in those positions Uh, are just the the best they've ever had. I really do think that's the case But I also think the community is a big part Like I honestly believe this like they start listening a lot more like to what's going on So that's that's a positive sign The aos community is just different than the 40k Right It just is And and I think that that and that also has a like but that that also has something to do with with the success of the game Like it is gw, but I also think that it's the community No, I think that's fair All right, cool Let's uh, let's jump into some some harbingers then Uh, here we go Storytime storytime everybody who's ready for storytime Uh, storytime Okay So, uh, I am gonna Talk about spoilers here in as much as that's possible. This is a relatively short story Okay Spoilers if you care about the narrative. Yeah, so like if you if there's there's not this is this I'll say this That's like saying I'm gonna spoil a trailer Okay because You have two minutes of story. Well, this book's narrative is clearly a it's mostly set up For things to come Okay, so there's not a lot of resolution in the in this story It's really more of like here are a bunch of things that are going on here sort of the initial movement of the players and Here's where we're gonna go, right? Yeah, but it doesn't actually resolve much Um for for reasons that we'll get to Okay so The story opens with like an aside from callus and toll Which they're wise to do Um, obviously callus and toll are very popular um Very popular characters and probably their most successful book Um, so they show up in here. They don't really appear in the story in any major way They're just kind of like hey, hey, we're here and we're gonna Open this up. They're they more or less sort of bookend the the the thing as to what's going on Because most of our story is going to be set in and around hammer hall Um, the the twin cities of hammer hall, right? So hammer hall guy ran and hammer hall oxy And so they just kind of say like oh some things are weird We're called back to oxy some stuff's going sideways blah blah blah blah blah, you know Or it's a there's harbingers of dark things to come. Okay. Yeah, got it. Cool. Cool. Um And then we get into the like story popper proper so effectively what happens is um Nurgle has unleashed like a real nasty plague On guy ran, okay So and it is called A shutter pox or something like that I'm trying to think of remembering what they what they name it. It has some really silly name like that I think it's shutter pox. I'm bad at those kinds of names Uh, shutter blight. I'm sorry shutter blight And it makes you all lethargic and stuff like that like there was some really neat descriptions of what it does Uh, so for example like people just grew into their chairs Just kind of like literally belted into their chairs because they would just never get up And I was like, man, I've seen some I've seen some computer gamers and painters in my time in the same place Um, yeah, so he unleashes this thing this disease the shutter blight. Sorry And it sort of spreads across the cross guy ran and it's causing a problem because it's a really virulent Uh disease and it's sort of slowing and shutting things down And so Allorial who is like not um Not really in this story, but just very much acting like whatever a deucex mocking is when you show up at the beginning of the story Not at the end I guess Like she doesn't have any direct role. She's just like a setup Yeah, she's just like the godly setup to sort of what's happening, right? and uh She's like, oh, you're gonna spread disease in my realm Uh-uh, and so she takes the purified waters of Guy ran and like pulls them throws them all up into the clouds. And so then everywhere it rains it becomes Purify yourself in the waters of lake minnetonka. Okay, like everything is purified and the disease goes away so This becomes the battle, right the nurgle is trying to spread the disease. The laurel is trying to spread Her reins and she's washing it away and then they're reinfecting and so on and so forth and It talks about how like it's not all nice because when like nurgles deluge when it's rotten deluge would meet the Allorials thing it would cause like a torrential storm that would just flood everything and wash all of the civilization away Which you know, neither of the two sides that were in this battle really cared about sort of a when the elephants fight. It's the uh, it's the grass that suffers or whatever, right? And uh into the middle of this comes like one of the actual characters that we didn't get to really spend enough time with But that I really liked who is this woman named lady nadian greensper So she's the governor of hammerhall Guy ran Okay Like she's she's in charge on the guy ran side on the life side And basically as this sort of disease is happening and all these different things are going on She's like, all right. The only thing we can do we need to like guy ran is gonna is being attacked is being assaulted We've got to call back troops Okay So she calls people back from the all the dawn bringer who say it's like she calls back all the guards Not all of them, but most of them Meaning that they're all gonna die. Everybody who's out there is just gonna die and she knows she's sentencing them to death okay So the storm cast step up and they're like no no we'll trade because it only takes like five of us to replicate your entire army In the narrative, that's true Right Sure, like in the in the narrative five storm cast are worth like, you know a standing army, right? And So they if try to call Yeah, indeed They try to rush out protect some of these settlements. They save some but a lot die Yeah and She reads every report. She feels very guilty about this But she's like she's doing her job as the governor to protect hammer hall because that can't fool, right? Yep, and The weird thing that happens is sometimes when the storm cast go out they find like the city's Buried in rot and dead bodies, right where nurgles sweep back in and taken over Yeah, sometimes where the storm cast show up the city's just empty No one's there. It's just abandoned okay and scrolled All over the walls are like Sergerian saved us Or like all hail Sergerian or stuff like this, but there's no one there Okay, everybody's gone And so rumors start spreading about this great hero named Sergerian That's going around and saving people and leading them on a new crusade Okay And all the like there's like little quotes from people who are like, I don't know this Sergerian guy seems like a good dude You know like He's not like those other people those other Rulers this guy, you know, he's he's involved. He gets down and in the mix, right? Sure Okay, fine The other people concerned about these empty cities Is Nurgle Okay So like this is all being directed by the baron guard, by the way, who are also just like around for no reason They don't actually take part much, but they're the ones who are like in charge ostensibly They're boss the they're bossing around all the Nurgle people Okay, I'm not sure how they got involved or why just like Archeon was like, look, I don't have time for this crap. You guys go handle this. Okay So the reason that the Nurgle people don't like Empty cities is because then they run out of people to catch their disease Right, you can't spread the spread the disease that way Exactly, exactly And so like they're they're all worried about the vectors of their diseases And that's where you meet, uh, Fulgoth Uh, what's his name? Fulgoth Shutter or something? What's his what's his full name? His first name is Fulgoth, which is like These names. Yeah I don't know just Fulgoth. That's fine. It's Fulgoth's shutter hood is what the name of his his unit is called He's a harbinger. He's the he's the dude on the horse that cool model that you like that always frustrated me He's that guy, right? Right. Yeah Uh, so he's like, all right. Well, this can't stand And it was they actually gave the the harbingers a really interesting character. I will say he's he's kind of fun He's you know, Nurgle's all happy And like bouncy and and fun Right Yep But like the harbinger looks like a really dour Sad model Yeah Well, the way they paint that in the story is that the harbingers are just all Dour they're just they're they're this weird exception From the normal thing. They're very like serious and they don't they're they're like sardonic. They don't take anything Uh, they don't get too emotional in any way. Okay Uh Rocky Suzoh says I heard Sergerian was giving out watermelons by the walmart. You heard correct Let's all hail Sergerian. Okay. He's he's gonna save us all And so he heads up to this place called further field Which like okay, all of the town names in this are terrible they're all like They're they're fine and terrible at the same time. They feel like the fantasy map you made when you were like In high school, you know, yep So further field is the name of this town. You mean like like like traders end. Hey, exactly Exactly Thank you. I appreciate that I appreciate you calling me to the carpet on that Uh, so that's that's that was a a deep cut almost 30 years in the making Yeah, sure. I mean, that's when that's when I wrote that world and created traders end for the first time was 30 years ago Okay, you're not wrong Um, at any rate he he gets up there to further field and he's like, okay first Well, oh one of the fun things they talk about is that the harbingers can't just spread disease This is like a worthwhile interesting thing. You'll enjoy tom. They can't just spread disease That would be way too easy. Okay Instead they got to show up and then like And then like do their sacred rituals And those take seven days Where in they have to have eight? Oh, of course So it's like the the or seven omens. Sorry The the seven omens of nergal have to happen one per each day and then on the on the seventh day they unleash the disease, right? And so So they show up outside the city and just start doing their nonsense their little rituals Like which is just very funny to me and then everybody's like, what are they doing? I don't know. They just showed up They've been out there in that field Which field the further one? No, that's us. No the other one Yeah, they're just marching around Oh, no, our cows are sick. Um, yeah, that's basically what happens. So they sit there for like seven days and do that And uh Then they kill everybody in the city, right? Okay, great. This is a lot of work for For that for like some small village of however many people And they set up and they wait like they they kind of like Basically, they they kill everyone Uh, they kind of like burn some of the bodies and stuff to to whatever but they as one does They spread out the the urgent Sent of death and they wait they wait for this noble sergerian to come forth to face them, right? And and he does He comes forth with his with his serfs and his noble knights And his his mighty force of of of noble troops. And of course then I just say yeah I love how they've leaned into it. They're like, oh no, this is Bretonia Like there's no question about this. This is Bretonia Tuckin. Oh, even the Nurgle people are fooled for a little while They're like, what is this weird army that we don't know about that has all these noble knights writing forth like and all this, right? And and then they like get close enough that they can actually make out the the Nurgle not known for their eyesight Um, but they get close enough that they can see them and they're like, oh wait, these are all ghouls. Oh my god. Okay. I Oh, okay, we get it now And they're immune to our disease. No, yeah So then they have a big punch up a big battle the battle of further field and in this punch up long story short is that sergerian almost gets rocked by the uh, Nurgle harbinger by whatever his name is Fluff as one does And as at the last moment he like cracks some sacred relic and unleashes the madness Uh, which I hope this is a uh, I hope this is a harbinger for their new rules by the by Okay, sure he like cracks some relic And unleashes the madness of his delusion on them and like all of a sudden a bunch of the Blight kings are like, yes, we're noble knights, too Let's do this and they turn around and start killing their friends, right? Like they're all going ham. Like everybody just goes nuts And the madness is so powerful. The delusion is so insanely strong Like the fire the rage of it is so strong. Yep. It burns the disease out of everybody like either just like they can't Uh, like they even there's even the shutter blight as strong as it is won't affect them And it just like cracks the heck out of flascus or whatever out of the harbinger And he's like, well, nope, none of that and he turns and runs. He calls a retreats. He gets out Yeah, okay, so gerryon wins Wins the day he wins further field You know takes over he holds the city okay Is the relic real or just imaginary I mean, I don't know he talked it's just like something he like they they describe it very obtusely in the story as to What exactly he grabs it's some kind of little sacred relic but When he activates it, it's certainly real whether that's because he believes it enough to make it happen Like if his madness is so Powerful that it manifests it or what? But it's real on its effect on all the nergal people. I'll say that Yep Um So that's what happens there We then do a little like journey around the realms Which is just like also there are harbingers in other places and you get like a paragraph in each one, right? So it's like, hey, there's some weird stuff over here. Hey, here's here's what's going on in shumon And here's what's going on in hi-e-sh and stuff like that, right? Just little things, right? Uh Jonathan straw says isn't there a segment where some ghouls break out of their delusion or like what are we? There's a few they mention a few ghouls that happens to when the shutter blight hits them Because the lethargy like the point of it is the lethargy remember shutter blight makes you lethargic Right. Yeah, and it's so calming And and makes you like it just dulls all the emotions right out of you That it can like suppress their madness enough for them to see what they've become for a few of the ghouls who take it like Right in the face The sort of main disease spray as it were Yes, poochie went back to his own planet Oh, so good okay So at any rate that's we get this little journey around the realms. It's not really full of anything interesting It's just kind of like don't worry if you don't want to play in you know, these two realms Other stuff is happening too, and I'm like, okay, that's fine Whatever um So then we come to the oxy side right because remember hammer hulls twin city, right? So we start and guy ran, but then we go to the oxy side so From life to fire right Now remember the two cities the single city that's really two cities is connected by that giant portal In the middle hammer hull. Yeah. Yeah, and so like There's a giant portal that you can just walk through man. That thing is huge in the art, right? I mean it's massive. They move like you could just you move armies Yeah, you can move armies through it, right like you could like ko ironclads could just be doing doys in the middle of that thing, right? Right, right So You know, they try their best to contain the plague to guy ran But of course like people come back and forth between the two sides every day Right as one doesn't have pandemic Sure. Sure So Obviously it then spreads into hammer hull oxy So hammer hull oxy doesn't have the magical rains falling to cure everything Yeah And like some people smuggle in small amounts of water, but then they're like no no no no no The stormcasts stop them from doing that because they're like nope can't do that Elorial will get pissed if you start exporting her magic water to you know the fire realm or whatever, right? So the people of oxy being industrious Come up with a new solution Can you imagine tom what the people of the realm of fire come up with as a solution? Burn it out. You got it, buddy. You got it That is correct. Let's just start burning it out That seems like the very natural solution So they just aren't lighting everything on fire like animals people Uh business rivals As one does spurn ex-lovers entire sections of the city that might or may not have infection in them Let's just go nuts Right, okay. Sure So so hammer hull is in the middle of this like pyre burning nonsense Yep Which has some like other significance. They don't it doesn't they don't really super go into it There's like a little thing where they talk about how like the nature of the fires has some kind of other significance There might be a subtler plan, but it's not It doesn't really get explored, but there might be a thing there Then comes uh into the story I'm going to call him jury or fury. I don't know probably fury fj or i Fiori, do you think fiori fiori? Fiori, so he's This grim hold exile the basic premises He's like a fire slayer who's the last survivor of his magma hold and he keeps the like He keeps the the magma flame the the sacred flame of his thing on himself Which you know that sacred flame is pretty boating sure, uh, he is portrayed as a This dude only becomes more their works real hard Over the course of the story to make this dude like a badass a sympathetic but bad bad. Let me just say that He shows up he has a bunch of fire slayers with him. He started gathered And he shows up and he's like hey I need to talk to the council because the hammer hull oxy side is ruled by like a this sort of council of leadership And they keep putting him off and putting him off Okay, and they don't want to talk to him and they they like put the dwarves in quarantine for a couple weeks since they came through from the other side and You know all this stuff And the rest of the fire slayers are all like this is crap. We're angry blah blah blah. We're fire slayers and fiori's like No, no, we're We've got it. We've got an oath With these people. I need to warn them about this thing. We're gonna be cool Everybody be cool Be cool. Be cool. Let's be cool. Okay Cool like a cucumber. It's a pretty relaxed dude Uh So he's chilling. He's just chilling meanwhile At the same time Vince I think your retelling of this is longer than what it would actually have taken to read the narrative possibly But I want to give people the full story meanwhile A bunch of the don't bring your crusades in oxhi decide that the right answer This is this is my favorite part of the story. This is so stupid Okay, decide that the right answer for founding their crusades Is to go underground Okay, they're like Look guys where we went wrong was trying to build on the surface. It's too hot up here Let's go underground where it's perfectly safe Okay Given everything I know about the mortal realms. This cannot be the right choice Like it just can't Okay Who wants some scaven these guys want some scaven right like all the gits live under there all the trolls All the scaven everybody lots of bad things live down there Okay So they go underground to start finding their cities and what do they do? Well, they stir up all the gits Of course, of course And so then the gits Very angry at this incursion into their home and I mean like for once I think I'm probably on their side like Like they didn't ask to be founded a city upon right like no no The whole deal here was we get underground and you take above ground and then we kind of have some scraps, right? Like what is this crap? No, this is racially based home invasion They're just like get the goblins and you're like what this is our home right and we live alone Yeah, we're not coming to your house Like I understand if people are angry at the goblins because they come to your house when the goblins invade cool You gotta have a punch up, right? But this is just like you marching straight into their caves and being like we're gonna build a city here And the goblins gotta be looking around like are you out of your mind? What's the matter with you? We live here, right? Yeah, it's like yeah, if somebody dug into this through this wall behind me, I'd be like, hey man, not cool Right So Okay, so needless to say that this does not make the goblins pleased And that that introduces the rabble rousers and which is their like special hero specifically one rabble rouser named braggat And braggat's whole claim to fame is that he saw the largest troll in the world or in the realms. That's it. That's the story Okay, it breaks out And yeah, so He basically like Goes around and starts attacking things and starts rabble rousing up And he attacks this small settlement outside of hammer hall And he finds a bunch of bottles and he loves bottles bottles are like his favorite thing Okay And he figures out that the all the bottles are in this town because there's an underground tunnel that connects this town to Yes, he is also very loud. That is a good point. Yes He's he's sort of patron actually loud because he drinks squig juice in his bottles that make his voice very loud Okay um So he figures out there's as one does as one does he likes squig juice and that's why he wants bottles So he can keep a squig juice in bottles This is this motivation. I don't know what to tell you. He's a goblin, right? And so he's got to go find more bottles. So he traces this tunnel Backwards sneakily and comes up in hammer hall Okay, like he's found the tunnel directly into the the heart of hammer hall, but not just any Part of hammer hall tom He comes up Where they make the d Okay He is at the heart of the d. He is may he is attacking the d All right, that is a soulbound joke if you play soulbound, you know that in soulbound the Drops of aqua guy ran us which are the currency of oxy Are just shortened to d which is the funniest abbreviation for a currency ever Yeah, um, because you're always trying to get the d. You're always trying to get that d. Yes So he comes up in basically the factory that that makes aqua guy ran us right the end to end process and all the like And he's like I guess we can live here now because I came into this place right so he's like well, let's just set up shop So they start going nuts. They're attacking everything. They spill out. They're causing they're destroying everything right and they start wrecking all the arcane machinery That makes this aqua guy ran us which ironically is very prone to catching on fire You wouldn't have thought a machine that makes water Would uh would catch fire so easily you'd be wrong. Okay, so the entire factory goes up in flames So that means none of the humans can go in there to stop the goblins right before they destroy all the machines And like this is very sacred technology if this gets completely destroyed Then all of the aqua guy ran us goes away and hammer hauls economy crashes overnight. Okay He's attacking the money factory As well as the healing factory because remember you can drink money which heals you too. So This is a really important factory. Yes. Yes. It's a po like you're literally drinking money healing yes so uh So of course the fire is too hot for them to turn it to for them to send in any Humans so who do they call? Well, you might remember our old friend fury who's here and he they're like, okay fury. Here's the deal You go solve this problem for us. We'll talk to you He's like, all right deal because he also hates uh green skins because they destroyed his his magma holder, whatever Because of reasons. Yeah, sure That's fine. I get it um I'm trying to picture in my head the dnd party that wouldn't take immediate affront to this You know, like you the the the governor won't talk to you and then the governor sends just like a message along It's like i'll talk to you if you go run into a fire and kill all these monsters and like then then all these talk to you Uh, most PCs are a little more entitled, but this guy's again He's cool, right Well, I mean most PCs would just set more fires in the city. Sure so He heads over to the factory and he and his fire slayers being you know highly resistant to fire because they're fire slayers they just march on in and they start crushing goblin heads and doing some battle, you know, they're they're There's not a lot of them fire slayery things. Yeah, they're doing fire slayery things There's not a lot of them and there are a lot of goblins right um But it's a it's a back and forth fight until basically braggit and Uh, a bunch of the goblins get him Basically on his knees like they just they just keep sending stuff at him until he gets beat down like he You read the story of how he fights and he's like obviously a very impressive fighter again narratively this dude is An unstoppable juggernaut, right? Like he is plowing. I mean His war scroll would suggest similarly Sure, uh, like the way the story depicts him. He is just a death machine. Okay And oh jack summer said wait, how are the goblins immune to the fire? Ah jack. I'm so glad you asked this question The goblins the great question. Why aren't they emulating? Well, because they're too hopped up on like sort of juice and battle to notice that they're on fire Okay, we're so glad you asked Yes, so they're on fire and dying. They just don't care Is the short answer to it? It is the most throwaway explanation given. I'm like sure man. Let's just go along with this Okay, they're fireproof now because they're like hopped up on them on the moon juice with it okay um And so basically he gets knocked down like his Uh his one of his hammers gets knocked and his uh He like loses two fingers off one of his hands And then his eye gets ripped out of his head Uh, like he is getting rocked right and he's like down on his knees and then he's like, all right time to go Yep, time to go supernova. He unleashes the fire or the magma hold and just like whoosh All the goblins die and then he falls unconscious, right? And so Basically in this fight, it's so brag it almost wins and then fiori pulls it back and fiori wins Fiori makes this case now what fiori is talking about this is I thought tom. I wanted to end on this because this is actually pretty cool Yeah, fiori shows up with a story Talking about his hold and a bunch of other holds have been destroyed by unusual trolls clad in grassy rubble Led by a giant beast with a portal on its back Okay I I want to see that army and it specifically said trolls clad in in grassy rubble So not like made of or something like that, right? Yeah yeah, and Uh did his fire put out the other fire? Yeah, basically once he killed all the goblins and then the fire just burns out Yeah, because the really hot magma hold fire took all the oxygen out of the place. Yeah And so like when I heard grassy Rubble clad trolls I was like, okay. Well, that could be rock trolls. I guess but like that's it feels like they would have just said rock trolls, right And the beast with the portal on his back The first thing that came to my mind was a mutolith vortex beast, right? Because he's got the big right portal And I was like, are we getting is this a is this a harbors trolls to yeah to chaos trolls Right and like something cool like that. I don't know maybe um I thought that was just like a really neat Elements that he shows up with so he pitches this thing and this guy named val petrus Who's on the council? He's like some geomancer on the council is like no no no this dude's exactly right I've been tracking some other Thing and these geomantic nexuses are just like winking out of existence And I think the two things are related So but that's again, they don't explain what that means. They just say like those two things are intertwined in some way so these sort of grassy rubble clad trolls and their portal warping beast um That they can all move through is somehow related to like the destruction of these these nexus magic points In the realms which is very zingy right nexus magic points. Yep. Absolutely. And so you have a bunch of uh Yeah Yeah, like sure The the other earlier mentioned that the fires might have been lit not by accidents, but in a particular Pattern, but they couldn't nail it down Also sort of obviously hints at like a weird zinge plot plot There's a plan Yeah, yeah And so my guess is maybe we get zinge in the next book and maybe we'll get like some cool chaos trolls Um, so that'd be neat. That'd be cool. I mean up until this Up until this point, we've only gotten these warbands, right? We've only gotten these like mercenary warbands Um, that would that would be our new release if they were to do something like yeah I mean, I think we're gonna get model releases with probably all these books So maybe that's what they're setting up there is like a new chaos troll release, which I thought could be pretty cool Right, which would be which like there is some uh tradition of it in like beast of chaos, right? Not beast of chaos I'm sorry in the uh slaves darkness like having some beastie like characters And so you could have a unit of trolls and or a meadow meadow of vortex beasts. Yeah in that space So that's basically the story it ends with them But both deciding to still continue the dawn bringer crusades and like the on the guy ran side They're gonna march up the veritas peninsula, which is where further field is like they're going straight toward toward gerion basically and The fire people are like We're gonna show them we'll take it to them, right? It's standard oxy and behavior So So yeah, there you go. So that happens Yeah, there you go. That's story time everybody. Now, you know what happened again. It's really just setting stuff up Like it's not it didn't really resolve much you get some neat showdowns between all the main harbingers So if you're keeping track that means fec wins over nergal in the semi finals and fire slayers beat out gets so now apparently we've got to have a fire slayers fec showdown to see who's the true champion in the finals So I look forward to that that bracket match there That makes sense Yeah All right, cool. You ready to talk about some match play rules Let's do it. Okay Uh, all right, let's talk matched play rules All right, because there are new stuff for this Oh, by the way, um One last thing fiori since we're on fiori's flame bearers here He did get his eye ripped out and has an eye patch in the last part of the story And I'm like, well, there you go. He's an eye patch badass now. There he is. Just manufacture him straight out He does live Perhaps unsurprisingly, okay. Yeah, all of the dame heralds lived and their encounters in the story Okay Uh, so fiori's flame bearers Uh, the organization is a grim old exile the new guy, which we'll look at in a minute An orc earthguard unit with five models a berserker unit with five models and one vulcair berserker's unit with 10 Okay, cool, and that's 540 points for that collection their abilities are toe to toe Enemy monsters within three inches of any units in this regiment cannot contest objectives And the defiance of grim near units in this regiment of renown cannot be picked when Uh, carrying out a monstrous rampage So they're monster hunters Which is funny because they went after a bunch of tiny gits in the story and had nothing to do with fighting monsters As one does, um Yep And they can they can be taken by any order army that is not fireslayers if you do so you cannot take any other allies Yeah, I mean, so what I would say is this I mean, it's fine enough as a as a thing Like as a war band Right I don't hate it As I mean, it's a nice chunk of your army, but it does something against some armies. It does everything I mean turning off monster objective contesting is pretty strong Yeah, it is and and they're and being immune to monster tram hate at the same time. Right the natural Um, you have a lot of wounds there amongst those three units like you're talking about 40 wounds Um, a lot of it's a five Five or whatever when you figure in the the hero Yeah, I wasn't figuring it because you're like what you're trying to do is you're trying to negate So, I mean, it's it's fine. I think it's it's more flavor than actual function Like I don't think that it's going to be worth a quarter of your army Although I will say this man. I love that new grim hold Exile wash bowl. Well, I would say I would say the model But let's not get ourselves. It's literally the same model that they always really Um Ever like it's always The same thing. All right before we jump to the scroll. Let me ask this question. Who in order needs this? Like who does this make sense to take in order? Like you go down the list and I'm like, well lumeneth could use an anvil-y type thing But there's only five berserkers and that's really the only anvil-y type thing there And they want to collect all their magic people. So they're off the table Maybe ko take this if they want a strong. Yeah, I was I was about to I don't hate ko I don't hate ko is an option Because it does create an anchor. That's not terrible Right, like it's can push on to a primary point that you like as a good like pairing or match up against a Um monster and actually like you could do like the thing like you wouldn't have to put this whole Cluster on the same unit, right? Like you could deploy like this in two different wings on a battlefield There's nothing there's nothing keeping. No, you don't have to set them up together. No, no, yeah So like you could to the 10 volkites on one side and five or six and five earth guard with the hero on the other And shut down monsters on multiple points and then they would have to choose between killing your guys and killing your gun Which is not a which is not a terrible like a decision to fork people Sure Yeah, that was the only one that came to my mind when I looked across the order I obviously not knowing what cities is like, but they have a like old city like old cities I could see this in old cities Just because you could have enough meat, right that it would really like It monsters would really have to push in Sure, I just Obviously be completely changed in like it's gonna be changed no time So it doesn't it's not to me like it's cities. Just is non exist. They're in this liminal state of non existence right now, right? um, yeah so yeah, like I guess the only other one that kind of worked for me was maybe in uh doc Like in daughters because everything in doc dives to a single hit and at least some of these things would yeah Um, so it actually be yeah, but almost everything in this is five up almost everything here is five up armor and you don't have like your extra You don't have like a lot of your extra stuff, but you still have some of it Like your little berserkers could be an interesting thing to try to even though it's not a big unit Can still be something to take a little bit of a punch. So you counter punch, right? I don't know. Yeah It has a better chance of surviving than most of your doc units because they're all made No, that's your paper. That's true. That's true. That's certainly true. Yep Okay, let's look at some scrolls. Uh, so the groom hold eggs out. This is the guy you mentioned I'm sorry. He's six. I thought he was five, but he's six ones. We're the four up save Um, this is probably the most cool-looking fireslayer model they've made Um, he's got little little anklets on which I enjoy um I had to laugh because all all of my all of my fireslayer heroes are on rocks Like all of them sure like I bought resin like resin Like rubble for all of them to stand on so I can find them in my army And so I love that he's already on his he brings his own piece of rock And so I was like sweet. I don't have to model him separately Like I he's literally like exactly like all the rest of my fireslayer Sure done Uh, all right, let's talk about this guy and and what he can do Um, by the way, a fun thing you get in the book in the book on the last page. There is like this little envelope Okay, and in the envelope There are little war scroll cards How about that? That's such a great idea That's such a great idea all the little harbingers you get your war scroll cards for them in the book Which I thought was cool Um, so the groom hold eggs out He has last of the lodge once for battle when you pick this unit to fight Instead of piling in and attacking with it You can say that it will unleash the last of the lodge fire if you do so Pick one enemy unit within one inch of this unit and roll a number of dice equal to the wounds characteristic of that enemy unit For each four plus that enemy unit suffers a mortal wound. So clearly what he did in the story And not quite as powerful here as it was portrayed in the story, but okay cool um I mean fun if you've got a real high wounds characteristic unit sitting around right that's That's a nice garganty you have there. Sure. Sure, of course Always that we're going to example But it doesn't have 20 models. Sure. I mean it doesn't have to be pick any monster I mean these guys are good monster fighters, you know this dude against any monster That's a pretty worthwhile thing if you've got like a 14 16 wound monster getting um, you know Seven or eight more wounds on average is pretty great. Uh, it's probably better than you would have done I mean this guy's attack profile. He's not a slouch because he's five tax threes threes neg two rend two I mean what else is this him in a fireside army is really interesting to me because he actually like He has good damage. He's also going to take buffs really well Sure, which the army has like the striking the runes are going to go really well for him. Yep Um, and then uh, and then talk about the rest of the abilities that you were about to talk Yep, so the rest of his abilities are honored to the grim honored to grim near. Sorry Uh, once for a battle on your hero phase this unit can raise this battle cry If it does so friendly fireslayers units that do not have a mount and are wholly within six inches of this unit when it raises This battle cry are inspired until the end of the turn inspired units can run and still charge And then he also has living legacy While this unit is within three inches of another friendly unit that has three or more models This unit has a war to four up. So basically he has like a really fantastic lookouts, sir Right. Uh, it's just a great like here. Have a four up ward. Yes, please. So he's he's gonna always On a six wound on a six wound hero, which means that he's also going to eat Like he'll also pick up lookouts or two. So he's made one to be hit from shooting and Can't be targeted outside of 12 benches. Anyways, and then inside he's still that and he stood for a board And that that four board is obviously still going to apply in combat as well. Um, Yeah, but granting them run in charge super good Like this guy's cool. He's 140 points. You you can't take the big but, um Regiment of renown battalion in fireslayers, but you certainly can take this guy and just this is just a fireslayers hero You can you can absolutely yeah him and your army. I love him as a fireslayer hero in the army Giving that strategic once per game Like a we run in charge Like that is that is what that army need. Yeah So it's it's just gold like every ability on this war scroll is fantastic On a chassis That is everything that I would want to see in a war scroll. Yeah, like throw a magical item on him You know increase wound or rend and damage by one or whatever like yelp Sure. Yeah, honestly I think this guy's pretty great 140 points. He's a like melee foot assassins are generally the weakest type of hero Um, but they gave this guy that's not the only thing he's doing correct They gave this guy some good utility So he's he wants to be in the mix and near his troops and mixing it up He can survive doing that when when he is fighting that way Um, they gave him a good base stat profile that'll get as you said very nicely buffed when it comes to The rest of the fire slayer abilities. I mean overall, I think this dude's a winner I think 140 points is like is reasonable I could I could see fielding two of these guys sure sure like Because you want him near other units like that are going to need these things And it gives you a reliable run in charge that doesn't require Right, right So, um, man. Yeah, he's he's gas Yep I I like them. I like this dude. I thought he was really good. Actually, I agree. You like a good good addition to the army I also put in the earth guard and berserker scrolls just to have them nothing changed with them. They remain the same At least I read over them. I didn't notice any change. So I think as far as I can see they're still the exact same scrolls Um, so yeah same with the berserkers Okay, fool goth that's his name fool goth's shutter hood Let's talk about the nergal regiment of renown Um, I'm glad these dudes are out there making money working for other chaos factions. Just, you know, just getting around Uh, it's just great Let me tell you who I'm not hiring nergal Find another cast unit. No, no, no, no, no, no Let me get some of them corn people or them slanash people I'm gonna get some of those as mercenaries I don't want anything to do. The siege people are just going to annoy me so like I I do not want nergal forces in my army. Thank you. You can stay out of here at any rate Harbinger of decay five future blikings two pluscoyle blightlords. So two big fly two five fat boys and the harbinger Uh This is 590 points for the package here Uh, their abilities are fog of despair Which is minus one from hit rolls for attacks made with missile weapons that target a unit in this regiment of renown renown And then they bring in their Disgustingly resilient and their self healing Basically, they bring in their nergal rules. Um, they get the like they get all the good new nergal rules And just bring them with them Um, it's funny when your special abilities are just your army allegiance abilities you're bringing with you Right They can be taken by any chaos army. That's not magickin of nergal. No other allies if you do so so Uh, leet wizard said would you rather have nergal or scaven as your allies? Scaven at least I know they're just gonna stab me in the back, but until then they'll be perfectly fine Uh, you just gotta wait for the turn. It's like watching an m night shamanan movie like oh, it's a twist Uh, the scaven turned on me. Oh no Her curse your sudden but inevitable Exactly exactly exactly. All right. Cool. Um Here's my question for you tom Who's taking this in chaos? Who wants this particular package? In chaos like what other army? Where does this make sense? Is this like the beast of chaos I don't think they need to help And this stuff can't English or null deploy if they need to No, but this is like like this is all hard stuff Sure Sure, right like this is all stuff that's going to be difficult to remove. It's going to be low Ward save healing And you know hard to shoot off the table and so Armies made of paper are the ones that are going to appreciate them Yeah, like I almost think this could be interesting in a zinge force, but at 600 points man That is a lot of not zinge spell cast these stuff. You're putting into this It's true. It's true. Like the problem is I look at this and you think like, okay Well, exactly what leet wizard just said right where scaven don't have any proper anvils And I'm like, yeah, sure Uh, but at the same time for 600 points I can get a hundred is going to serve better rats That's what I was saying. Is this going to serve better than 120 rich? Yeah, like 120 clan rats is so many clan rats right Yeah, um, so it's just like that's a lot of wounds to chew through that It also regenerates by the way to some degree because they put back a d3 models every Turn so yeah, I mean what I'll say is this like that harbinger does have the ability to shut off command abilities sure and And not not issue or receive commands nearby So that has definite utility Sure, right like But is it 600 points worth of utility and that's the question Yeah, to me. This is just so few models because you're only getting eight models here, right? Yep, and everybody and that's And that's why I said beast of chaos right because that is a paper army that has body But it doesn't have anything that can take hit And this army can at least take hit I guess I don't know man like sure And it has decent mobility like three of your Like almost half of your force, right more than half of your wounds Is that right math? Yeah about more than half of your wounds Will have a mobility of eight As opposed to like so it can actually like get across and engage the the blight kings are going to be slower, of course sure Yeah, I agree. It's tough because there's just not a lot of armies that are really going to make use of this Right to me. This was the hardest sell I mean, maybe somebody in the in the comments or in the chat will Will have a good idea of how to use this but to me. I was just like So that hero is a priest He is can we talk about that for a little bit? Sure. Let's let's let's go to him. Let's jump over to him and just take a look Okay Yeah, like because a lot of your utility is coming through them Yep, let's look at the harbinger of decay. So eight inch move seven wounds three up save a bravery Um, it's the new awesome model on the horse. Obviously this guy is an incredibly cool model He has either the scythe Uh Or the dune bell so you don't get both and if you don't give him the scythe then he just has the sword and the little bite and Yeah, I think my honest answer when we talk about this is I I think the the scythe is Potentially worth it, but I do think the bell is powerful. I don't know. I'm really torn. Okay. Here we go So first of all, he has his like shutter blight The the disease comes out of his Yeah, out of him At the start of the combat phase or battle shock phase pick one enemy unit within three inches This unit roll a dice on three up that unit cannot issue or receive commands in that phase because they're lethargic Okay That is very powerful Like and to your point earlier, right? like That is a wildly strong ability this dude has, you know super roar Right Yeah, yeah in two phases Okay, yeah, because he's doing it in combat and battle shock Yeah, now if you take the bell Then once per battle in your hero phase he can ring the bell If it does so enemy units within 14 inches of this unit when it tolls the dune bell Can I just say I love how much they're getting more precise with the timing? In this wording. Yeah within 14 inches when it tolls the bell. It's putting an effect on you Right, no more question of like, but what if I move out of 14 inches or something like that, right? Like you just Thank you very good clean rules right in here Uh are filled with despair until your next hero phase the following effects apply to a unit filled with despair minus one move minus one run minus one charge okay so Once per game that's junk well I'm torn on it. So let me get this right once per game You can reduce their charge by one because of the three. That's the one that often really matters Correct. That's absolutely how I'm reading it too. Yes. I agree. Okay Once per game minus one to charge if you were If you were able to stack this with having charge rate Then it then it I think it would be power But a lot of those abilities have all been from the game Yeah, I mean is this why I'm torn on this. Okay Because 14 inches is not a huge radius to apply this effect. It's also not a small radius to apply this effect. No So it's kind of just like in this Middle-ish ground Okay, so let's Let's say that you are You have him out in front of your force. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, okay So he has he he is maximizing the range. Yes Let's say that he hits a unit that has a movement of Six Which is an average foot movement Well, it's I don't know. I I have no idea what the mathematical average movement is in the game But sure that's a very common foot soldier movement, right? Like a foot troop. Well, a lot of foot troops move five But sure then you have monster stuff that moves six or seven Then you have cavalry that moves 10 to 14 and all those are going to destroy it very differently in this example But continue. Yes. Let's say six inches Ignore calf like ignore calf, right If it's a foot troop Then we're just doing like a foot troop right now Let's say that it moves up and it's a it's a normal ish. So five or six. Let's say six That means that they move eight inches off of his base. He'll be no clothes. It was five inches Five inches off his nine inches off his base. Yes Nine inches off his base and then they have a charge then they have a 10 inch charge. That's great If you can engineer that one situation, sure, that's great If they have more than like a six inch move Right, that's problematic. Yep, right Anybody that has more than that kind of move like let's say they have a 10 inch move Not the best in the game, but a solid mount move Then they're gonna move five inches off of his base and have a six inch charge. That's right. That's right Exactly, that's not That good This is why I'm so torn on this ability, Tom. You've summarized it perfectly I ran those same two math experiments in my head, right? And it's like boy that ability is either quite good because it's going to actually Like neg one and neg one don't seem that big, but it's actually quite a huge mathematical hindrance To the unit like moving six and charging eight and moving five and charging ten Is like Boy are those different Right, like yeah really really different Uh, but again if you've got sort of fast movement and stuff like that Technically he can redeploy In response. Sure. He could he gives redeploy back. So actually he could just redeploy back away And then in that case he has a pretty good shot of even against the calf of avoiding the calf true Okay, that's not terrible Right, um, and especially if you can time it so that you use this ability going in double Where they double you exactly it gives it a it gives it a little bit more longevity But again going exactly to where it was the problem is if they double you they're gonna get up on you in that space They're gonna get up on you, right? And like there's really like you'd have to roll double six is in order to really have a shot at Redeploying yourself Is there no other of your units around that they're gonna charge or whatever, right? Yeah, you you've just summarized it Or really this is exactly how I feel now. Here's what I'll say I honestly think I would take the bell over the plague site Any day of the week because the because it's only two attacks because it's only two attacks. Yep Um, I'll call out shoe here who in his video is like the bell is stupid never use the bell always use the site The site is awesome. I'm like The site is nothing It's two attacks. Yes, it's three threes neg two three damage the expected damage out of that is like less than one Okay Neat Like it isn't I mean all let me is there still plus one to wound on the bed on the We Uh, yeah, there's still plus one on the wheel. There's also neg one to charge on the wheel, too Um, so if you happen to be in that turn like so like that's power Yeah, that's power because minus two to charge. I mean, what I'll say is this I don't hate the side because you could pretty easily Move to twos and twos and nergal if you line it up with the wheel Like you would know what you're timing in Okay I know I know but you don't have It's not But you you don't have a lot of ren you don't have a lot of ren And so you're actually like he's bringing some ren to the fire Again, it's not terrible But he's better than any of the other like fly like, you know, like other than the the bell, right? Like the thompson, you know wheeling bell or whatever like so I I don't disagree with shoo. Like I really like the side and uh Yes, I don't know that I bring it and then move away, which is true. He can't ring it and then which is true We were just doing the math assuming you're sitting there as the forefront of the army Just to walk it through but go ahead. Sure. Sure. Well, and this by the way raises like an entirely other interesting question You're ringing it in your hero face. And so what has to happen? You have to write the term before they have to have moved in range No, they have to have moved in range. So they've chosen to move up within 14 inch Well, it depends if you approach the castle or whatever, right? Like there could be a different situation No, like like or like you'd have to double them, right in order to really make use of them Yeah, yeah Do you either have to double them or they have to range which is too very like Those are both hard things to set up I agree because you can't control their movement and you can't uh force a double Yep, like in general. So like I just I don't disagree with shoe. I think I would probably take the side Every time just because of how corner case the bella Yeah, I think I'm taking the bella just because I'm a fan of playing to the outs and it's nice to have the option Even if I don't ring it and I don't think the site is actually worth anything Bottom line. Sure. I hear that. I hear that Okay, but as you mentioned we've talked about this guy a lot for is this told I think it's worth worthwhile conversation The student is a priest Like hello priest keyword And he has a prayer omens of decay is a prayer that has an answer value of three in a range of 14 inches I've answered pick one enemy unit within range Subtract the current battle round number from that unit's bravery characteristic until your next hero phase cool Cool cool prayer bro. Yeah. Um, I think I'm still taking the mortal one Yeah, like so so this guy takes curse then or something but that's not gonna stack because you already do I guess you can just upgrade instead of causing disease points if they're already maxed You can just cause the mortals instead Right If you're attacking and you're mad the unit that's maxed on disease points, you could just choose to activate Well, you six is you would all you would you would always choose that because those are automatic mortals versus the possibility of doing I mean, there are things that reward you for having a bunch of disease on people But sure sure like in general like the conversions like yes a mortal wound Six to hit is better than 50 of a mortal on a six to hit. Yes, right, right, right like so Ah I don't know late game. It could be it could see some use Like but you'd need to be like he'd need to be in the mix to shut down battle shock immunity And then he uses his prayer to have a high chance of them running Okay, and then he hits with the scythe and does like one average damage Yeah In triggers battle shot. I don't know my my general feeling is Yes, there is a combo there between omens and shutter blight But boy are you working too hard for too little effect? Like if you if you hit their unit and start causing mortal wounds and doing all that stuff Whether it's through decay or curse or whatever No, I agree. We're gonna run. No, I agree. It's it's a mess like I It's he's not a 190 point model. No, this man is probably a 150 point That I know that's really That seems really aggressive for shutter blight, but here's the deal. He is still only an eight inch move no flaw sure And he has to get close And his ability to shut off that stuff is on a three up only in the combat only in battle Yeah, like that's that's those are very different than like the auto Yeah, he's got to be in there. So it's still a roar. It's still a roar, right? Yes And so I I mean I I think low work I would like I would price him aggressively at 150 and I think he would get taken potentially at 150 I don't think he would ever be taken at 190 at 170. Maybe or maybe not take her away He's not doing damage. Let's like even with the size. He's not doing that. That's not what this guy does sure I mean, I don't know. I he's an interesting piece. I don't have a call on him I don't know nergal armies well enough right now honestly because one of the few armies I don't really play To to have a good read on like yeah Exactly how much this guy's fitting into your overall strategy Shutter blight is a very Powerful ability like roar is very strong. We all know it having a foot model That can roar and roar again effectively in the battle shock vase is strong. Like that's a simple fact Priests are good. This is another fact right like being able to be a priest is a good thing He is very limited on the prayers. He will have Because he has to pull from the generic Prayer scrolls, but you know curse is good Heal is fine He can smite enemy priests. Don't forget about smite. You gotta love smite 48 inch range on that bad boy on a two up You gotta love it So like Okay You know, I I don't think he's bad. I do agree with you that he's slightly overpriced I don't I think 150 is too too low But like if you told me this guy was 180 or 170 I could I could get on board with that Uh, then we had blight kings and blight lords. They're in here, but again, no change. It's that it's the same You know relentless attackers and rack and ruin and all that kind of stuff Yeah, so yeah Okay Then we come to the noble sergerian savior Of the mortal realms Uh a noble leader Rising up from the the ranks of serfs blessed with a holy purpose to uh to to to Bring salvation To those whom the the god king of thunder has abandoned Uh, so jarian's delegation is the maristral herald 20 crypt ghouls three crypt horrors three crypt flares Uh Okay Urgent missive units in this regiment of renown can run and still charge later in the turn Okay, okay, pretty great. It's fine. Good and they have a ward of six up They too brought there they too brought their word save with them. Congratulations They can be taken to other death armies. Yeah, they can be taken by any death army that is not fec No other allies if you do 460 points Uh now Before we talk about where we think they could go I want to pause that discussion tom Because it is worth looking at the fact that all these guys have new scrolls all these guys These are completely new scrolls top to bottom. Okay, and I think that's a huge deal I assume these are like What what will eventually get in the fec book or something like that? I would think Um Or or something that will be very close to that Okay, so first the marrow scroll scroll hair this guy Yeah, the the bone side guy bone side guy. Yes Um, he's got a five wounds and a five up save He has the kings in treaty At the end of the charge phase you can pick one enemy unit within three inches of this unit and say that this unit will offer it an infected bone If you do so your opponent must choose whether that enemy unit accepts or refuses the bone so To clarify and I am not doing this they wrote this When this guy at the end of the charge phase this guy gives people a bone And then they're and then there is an important phase of not scent of whether or not you want the bone Not just the bone It's an infected. It's an infected bone Okay, do you want the infected bone? Yes If they refuse the bone Then the strike first effect applies to friendly flesh eater quartz units within three inches of this unit until the end of the following combat phase So he himself plus anybody near him will all get strike first That's if you refuse the bone Yes But who's going to refuse the bone? But if you accept the bone That enemy unit becomes infected for the rest of the battle roll 2d6 before an infected unit issues or receives a command Attempts to cast a spell or chant or chance a prayer Make the roll before the action is carried out. So again Issue or receive a command Cast chant All right, so for your normal just like i'm a melee troop unit the most impactful thing here is obviously the command stuff all right, yeah If that roll is greater than that unit's bravery characteristic that unit cannot perform that action in that phase Okay, i'm normally quite against things that are 2d6 against bravery because I just don't think they do Enough and like it's really hard and there's half the game that's basically immune to this because they're bravery 10 Yeah, which I still hate to this day, but but this isn't impactful enough That like he is like if this dude gets next to teclas and he's like here have a bone Then for the rest of the game Here teclas accepts that bone If teclas accepts the bone you're rolling 2d6 every time he casts And it just auto fails on a 11 or 12 correct So What's fascinating to me about this is that it is something that just happens It's like a status effect that gets placed on them for the rest of the game and they're continually rolling at this Right. Yes. So of course they're gonna say no, I don't want your bone And then the feces are are gonna be like awesome. Well, we're all in combat with the we're gonna eat Right, you don't you don't want our bone. So we are going to eat Exactly. I mean, I hate Yet again, which there's no which there's no consent there either. Sure. Sure. They just eat them Yet again tom How many times What what is this mechanic tom? What is this mechanic? In magic terms, what is this mechanic? Uh, I don't know where I give you the choice and you always choose the thing that's worse for me What is this like a not like a nonvo? This is a browbeat mechanic. Oh browbeat. Yeah. Oh, yes. This is this smothering tithe. Do you play do you Like no, no, no, no UK with a risk study Sure. Yeah, because like you're gonna keep asking it Sure, and most of like some people are just gonna be like, no leave me alone and it's somewhere between sure It's not let's not let's not blow this up with risk study or smothering tithe. It's not that good Um, because it doesn't happen automatically. You still roll the dice Um But yes, it's somewhere between the two I generally am opposed to sort of browbeat mechanics Right because the the the opponent is going to sort of choose the thing they feel to be the least risky at any given time But I will say if they do make the choice to not give you strike first I am happy that it sits there and rides on them for the rest of the game So it does become a thing they can't deal with right? It's just like there's no removing it. It just is Okay. Yeah, I mean they what they end up having to having to decide is am I gonna die if I strike first Before I do anything. Yeah, if I'm going to die Then I have to Um Then I have to accept the vote Yeah So there's coercion And accepting the vote Let's talk about and then when we get to the rest of the scrolls, I will say there's so I get a slight browbeat mechanic Yeah, I don't love it, but I like that it rides the whole time I like that it provides strike first This is what's gonna happen most of the time and the fact that you now have a bunch of running and charging strike first dudes That's pretty good It's pretty good Um Yeah, but this guy has to give it which is the catch So that's gotta get in the mix but he and all his boys are striking first then So there's a lot less risk back to him for going into melee, right? Unless they accept the bone Okay And then he also has don't shoot the messenger This unit is not visible to enemy models while it's wholly within six inches of five or more other friendly Flesh eater quartz models. So I mean like that's great The fact that he lowers the the I can't be seen from 12 inches to six inches Um, and it's actually like not visible Because the normal lookout sir is just shooting. This is true not visible Yeah, which what that means is that he can't be targeted by spells Correct or or or or or or or yes Um, which is fantastic. By the way, this does come up in the story because um, whatever his name was The the the nergal guy is like moving his way around the field over and over and he can't find this dude He's trying to fight like he saw sir gerryon marching up and then he loses him in the mix And he can't find him for for the first half of the battle. So I thought that was fun Okay Uh, does this also protect him in melee? No, because your enemy would be would be uh would Not visible to enemy models while it's wholly within six. Oh, no, uh, because melee doesn't require a line of sight That's why sorry had to Think that through. Um, no, you can always fight melee. You can technically fight through walls and ground. That's hilarious Um, but this dude's 115 points Okay, I'm honestly not angry at that for what he does I like about 115. Yeah, he's got a standard hero profile, you know, five three three one two It's fine The standard storm cast he very storm cast. Yep. He has an appropriate file up save same same This weirdo with a bone sight This malnourished ghoul has the same hitting power as a lord celestant. I see no issues Totally, this is why this is this is why it's Or Is it lord gerian was lord gerian, right or sir gerian. Yes, sir. This is why he's a knight, right? Yes, he is sure he's been knighted. He's good All right, but now we got to talk about the rest of the fec boys. Okay Crip ghouls Still one one six up save Uh, still a hilariously bad model Uh, you still get a gassed. It's fine two attacks each fours fours no random one damage but If the unmodified hit roll for an attack made by this unit is six that attack automatically wounds Do not make a wound roll if this unit has 20 or more models unmodified hit rolls of five or six automatically wound to the target F off I'm sorry. What I think thank you for stealing knight haunt's thing Uh-huh and doing it through you and doing it better like come on man Really? Like is knight haunt the ogre of death now? Just taking all their mechanics Uh, there's a very strong ability on these guys. Obviously, it doesn't punch through automatically. It's just a wound No, but But short-cutting that second four up roll is incredible Especially on a unit that can get so many attacks. It has a good number base and can go even more wild And is on a 25 mil base Yeah, and has In when when near uh quarter years or after Yep Because royal approval improved the rend characteristic of this unit's melee weapons by one while it's wholly within nine inches of any friendly courtiers or 18 inches of any friendly aberrants Wow, by the way, this unit is still like 80 points tom I know I love it. I love it so much. My son's gonna be so happy It's gonna suck to fight this these guys are terrifying like seriously like Like we think about how much meat that they can throw around. Yeah. Yeah Oh, I understand like These shouldn't be 80 points anymore There's no way that's the appropriate pointing for this role. There's no way Well, I mean they are sixes and sixes like so they have terrible defenses You will just lift entire you but by looking at I get it. I get it, but this ain't an 80 point unit It's really good And it's like a lot of them You can just flood the board with these idiots and they can make a wrap ton of attacks But notice that like you can only reinforce four units that you know, like you're still stuck with reinforcement problems Like you can't have a bunch of 20 or 30 man units of these guys I can have four 40 man units of these And that's 640 points tom Because these are 20 per per unit or Or no, sorry. I apologize. No, they're there. It's 10 for 80. I'm sorry. Yeah Yeah, so yeah, so you get four 20 man units. So if you lose any wounds any of them, it shuts off the ability The right way is you have two 30 man units. I apologize two 30 man units. That's the correct way I'm sorry for the way for the man, but even then like man those sensors are somewhere below Those those those 30s are just gonna explode I'm sure okay Tom remember what you said about zombies Yeah, I do I do. Sorry. I I know everybody. They're only 10. I countered the wrong number. Yes. It's it's 80 points for 10 I still think that's incorrect. You know, these are easily like 100 point unit easily Especially with all those energies they can get in their existing book right now What I'll say is this I think that book's gonna stick around for a little while as we know I'm sorry. Go ahead. I think they're strong at 80 I don't think it's over the top or overpowered, but I strong at eight Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But I think they need to be like when when was the last time that we feared ghouls Not fac fec, but ghouls I understand what you're saying My answer is now right now. It doesn't matter when now And yes, they can still summon a bunch of these guys remember. These are summonable and Refillable well those those war scrolls may be changing as well I understand but they're not yet right now I'm talking about like we still got months with this book This book ain't anytime soon I don't know like I could see an fec book this fall, right? It's coming out. It's already on the roadmap. We saw it It's like winter or whatever. It's like it's the end the end of your book Right, okay, right. So I mean like so we probably have we have probably have six months on these Yeah, let's say four to six months. Yes easy. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean they could certainly take a uh You could cheese out a like a qualifier I'll tell you what man these guys seem pretty good to me because yes, you can summon units of them You can refill them with your your courtiers and stuff or whoever the people you can Yeah, the key is is your aberrants could put put blocks of 20 down And your courtiers can like restore what every two up is one back in the unit you roll six Each each aberrant could could drop a block of 20 So It's pretty good. It's all I'm saying and and you know, there are a lot of ghoul synergies um And assumingly like Cygnus maximus said that book is already printed though. So if this the scroll in the book, it'll be the scroll for a long time Yes, but they could have different points in the book. They could have different synergies in the book They the refilling models could work differently like With all the other stuff around them changes ad could be fine Right, like the key is is that this is really strong given the other elements Those elements change Then that you're mad your numbers change. You're not correct. I'm not saying the scroll in a vacuum is insane for 80 points I'm saying the scroll in its current book with the current support. It has is insane for 80 points. That's what I'm saying Like I think these guys are gonna be a powerhouse. Yeah, so you could for example Have uh two blocks of 30 and four screens of 10 Sure just for some numbers, right? So that's a total of six 10 units of these guys. That's 800 points That's not like an insane amount of your army Nope, because that like you're you have a lot of other stuff that you could fit in but more importantly you could easily fit into aberrant uh ghoul kings um For and another you know for something Yeah, you're gonna make a vargulf quartier in there to do his quartier nonsense and He can but you could do two of the you could do Kings that are going to drop another 40 of these guys two blocks two more blocks of She'd have two blocks of 30 two blocks of 20 and then four tenors of screen Like that's that's a lot of meat and that's a lot of damage. Yep. Yeah Uh, I will say I'm glad I've got 60 of these guys painted up and or maybe more I have a lot of these guys painted up and ready to go. I think maybe 60 or 80. I don't know. I have a lot Yeah, and they're and they're easy paint jobs my uh, my son has like a idiom based and uh I think we had them like underpaid Sure All right. Crip players these guys also changed so 12 inch move obviously because they can fly Uh five up save four wounds Uh, you know, there are knights So had a champion Their death scream is now 10 range four attacks force threes neg two rend one damage. Nice to see that neg two rend on there and 12 attacks Yep, 12 attacks out of the units at force threes neg two one And then the talons are making four attacks at force threes neg one one. Okay Uh Okay, so How do these scroll updates work? Do you use these new scrolls with the old alliance artifact command etc? Nope, you use these updated scrolls. Yep, exactly. Okay, as as yeah, so many uh, mogwai directed him correctly. Yep So there are new scream add one to wound rolls for attacks made with a death scream If the target unit has a bravery characteristic of six or less. So then you're on uh, fours and twos effectively. Yep, and then if you like and if you I Boost your shooting attack you again threes and twos. That's pretty good. I think two rend Yep, a little all out Quite a nice quite a nice shot there. We do have our coherency update So I could see some argument for maybe these guys having a pack of six and still being functional Um, because now they they don't have to play by the bad coherency rules Uh, you know 10 inches is a strange sort of distance, but it's not bad. It's 22 inch threat range. Are these guys pretty good? Um, so that's cool. Um, it should be noted that the original If you're in the original battalion like if you happen to be in something That's not fec and you're taking this the full battalion. It's run in charge not run and shoot. So You know do pay attention to that Uh, and then they have the escort courtier when you pick this unit to move in the movement phase You can pick one friendly flesh eater quartz hero That is a wound's characteristic of seven or less that cannot fly That is wholly within three inch of this unit If you do so remove that hero from the battlefield after this unit has finished moving Set up that hero wholly within three inches of this unit and more than three inches from all enemy units Ready to build over that that little harbinger You know, we call this a lot of things The slingshot effect. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um, because what what clause does this not having? Uh, that the hero can't move Right. Yeah, and so this guy moves so that the hero gets all of these guys as An additional three inch setup and then his full move if you want Yep, that that will probably be an FAQ if I were to I would certainly imagine so because right now. Yes, they can like You could have like your ghoul king just as an example You have your guys you have the ghoul king behind him. Well, the aberrant ghoul king has a fly so that won't work for Oh, you're right. He does. Um, I forgot he flung. Uh, yeah Who doesn't know what the marrow dude would just pick the little marrow dude. Easy enough You got the three of them. We got him behind All right, a little man would do he's three inches back They move forward 12. He sets up three in advance of them. So he has now moved 18 inches To right from his original position. Then he moves his five. He goes up 23 Right. Yeah So is he six? Sorry, he's six 24. I apologize So, uh And then he could charge in like with a short with a short charge And then they would have a You know, depending on their distance. I I will be honest. Dustin E. I hadn't caught that but you're exactly right Dustin E says the football passed it in a train between units He's right that technically it also doesn't prohibit this from happening more than once per face So technically if you happen to have another three that they were flying to they could then pick him up and keep him moving just like They could just slingshot the hero all the way down the board. That's fun It's a weird setup. You'd have to really know you were going to do that, but it is funny that you can do it So, uh, yeah, these guys are pretty cool. Um, I'm not sure they're, uh, what are these guys? These guys are like 180 190 points. I think did you did you talk about the bundles at all when the bundles got announced? Did you do an analysis on the economics of? I don't remember. Maybe maybe not. Okay. We can we can talk about that at the end Of the worst post that's fine Uh, I'm trying to find the points on these guys real quick because I do not remember. I apologize everyone Uh, where are these idiots at? Crypt players there they are Yeah 180 points still a lot, but okay I like them. I like them at 180. Oh, there you go. Uh, the ghoul king doesn't fly. It's the arch region that flies Yeah, but nobody takes just the bull king. It's the uh No, you don't It's a perfectly good backup spellcaster. Yes, he's good and cheap Um, and also gives no, hold on No, like there's two difference like there's the The ghoul king on foot. There's the arch region and then there's the ghoul king on terror guys the the kumquat Correct. I take all of those Sure Okay, so yeah, it's not like by taking the one on foot. You can't take the kumquat I understand. I understand. All right, and then crypt horrors move seven inches four wounds five up save Still got a champion four attacks four threes no run two damage Improve the rend characteristic of this unit's melee weapons by one while they're within blah blah blah courtiers and ablurans Uh, they heal three wounds And if the unmodified wound roll for an attack made with a club in septic talons is six That weapon has a damage characteristic of three instead of two for that attack A thing I truly hate The worst way you can write a rule. I thought we stopped doing this So now I'm gonna have two different piles of wounds Okay, I've got these numbers you need to save against over here and these you need to save against separately Because these are three damage and these are two damage terrible slows everything down stop writing this stop it Okay, just make like it just just have the six do a mortal wound or something in addition like I would rather Okay, ridiculous All right At any rate, um, yeah, that's quite an upgrade there too. Um, because of the the rend function of the rend that was obviously always a problem and Hey You know, be that their weakness is obviously still the same. They're on force to hit That's a limitation Okay, like yeah straight up Um being on force to hit not great but These guys are 110 points for three Which is not bad Yep, that healing ability can take a walk, but uh, I like everything else there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Like the enhanced damage good, um, you know, obviously in the old world they used to heal one wound now the heal d3 Okay They used to re-roll hit rolls But that was always going away because re-roll shouldn't exist still right right And they still had the the warrior elites just a reprint But the the rend is a wholly new ability and it's really good Because again, this unit's big problem was the complete lack of rend And they're aggressively costed to I mean 110 is aggressive for an elite Oh, I should say they also did get a bonus attack over their old scroll They used to be three attacks each another four attacks each So again, this is it's not a minor upgrade. No, it's an aggressive like it's aggressively costed scroll. Yeah So like this unit's making 13 attacks on, you know, quite easily Let's just call it a base numbers, but four threes neg one two damage quite easily three threes with just a symbol all out, right? Um, and again, there are lots of ways to boost the knights in the existing book And also to refill these guys like crazy like these guys are pretty easy to drop back in units as well from your your various folks So and also there was a coherency change that makes six of these functional Now because they don't have to pay attention to stupid coherency and and Uh, their range used to be one inch their range is now two inches So they can still fight over the top So good so many upgrades to this unit. I mean for 110 points. I think the crypt horrors and the crypt ghouls Huge glow-ups that probably mean they're too cheap now by far Uh, so big changes for fec congratulations on your new scrolls I look forward to your 57 win rate coming soon to a tournament near you um That would be a fun turn of events. I'll take my horribly painted Flesh eater quartz army to nash con instead and just go go go pure for the throat Um, okay Last one tom Braggots bottle snatches. You see what I'm saying? He loves them dog. He loves them He's all about them bottles Uh, okay You get the rabble rousa You get the gob of palooza You get a squig herd with 12 models and you get a squig hopper unit with 10 models If the unit in this regiment or now receives the redeploy command any other friendly units in this regiment or now Within six inches of that unit can immediately make a d6 can can redeploy as well Like that's what all that text is amounting to Yeah, okay So the whole thing just redeploys around Uh, why isn't this escape an ability by the way like just nonsense just nonsense And then secret tunnels they can ambush But it has to be at the start of the first hero phase and they have to come in within six inches of the edge of the battlefield Can be taken by any destruction army that does not gloom spike gets no other allies five hundo on the points Uh, so I guess sons of badmout if you want to replace one of your giants with a bunch of goblins You can actually do it now You can have spellcaster and deep strike. Yep. Yeah, you have gob of palooza so you can get spellcasters You have some kind of ambush deep strike capability um So that's kind of cool um Maybe if you like it gives you a run it gives you a uh No, no maybe if you want some little little um Some little things to be in the way for your iron jaws, you know, yeah You can see it. Um, maybe ogres it gives over ogres a mobility deep striking that they could only get through like hunters If this is no good alternative to hump hunters and cats Maybe they've already got really high mobility from all their monster trucks and they have you know Cats and hunters and all sorts of idiots that can set up at range and stuff like that and and ambush around So feels like it feels like a downgrade for them So Yeah, okay. Let's look at braggit. Let's look at the rabble rousa He's got five wounds in a four up save He he again has Like I love that this guy still gets the d3 damage like just give him the storm cast eager treatment It's still on average the same thing. He just has a more random storm cast profile. It's it's more destruction. Sure Can't destruction always has to be weird and random for like no reason. Yes Once for battle in your shooting phase, you can say this unit will deploy its bat twigs Uh, if you do so pick three different enemy units within 12 inches of this unit each of those enemy units suffers d3 mortal wounds Man, that's a great ability Love it Fantastic a plus He's like that one that one and that one go get them boys Yeah, I mean uh speaking of ogres. They have the blood vulture, which is just a long range You know once per round in your shooting phase do a single mortal thing on two up and it's like That's always the choice. So sure. I'll take this Yeah He is quite resistant to shooting because of his squig skull armor He has a ward of four up while he's more more than six inches from enemy units Love it. That's cool And so very resilient to like shooting and or spells frankly. Yeah, uh, so that's cool And then get going you get well any friendly units with this ability are on the battlefield When you pick a friendly monster to move in the movement phase, you can say that it is goaded until the end of that turn Which we see all as we all know means it must attack and it can't attack you While a friendly monster is goaded Uh, it can run and still charge later in the turn. However a goaded unit must finish any kind of move except Pylon moves closer to a unit with this ability than it was at the start of the phase Uh Okay, in addition each time a goaded unit finishes a move Each friendly unit with this ability within three inches of that unit suffers d6 mortal wounds like Good lord. This is a complicated ability. Okay This Should not like Unwrite this Do better What is going on here? If I have to read an ability three times to understand what in the holy heck is happening right Then it's just too complicated here. I'll tell you I'll tell you what this is I'm ready. Break it down Tom. If if there's a monster if this guy's in the battlefield and there's a monster on the battle You can say you get to run in charge, but if you're near allies, they take damage Yes, that's what it does that you are correct That is a well not just that. Um You Yes Correct. Okay, but you get to run in charge Uh And you have to move closer. Yeah, you have to move closer to Uh To the unit that goaded it To this unit. He's got to get closer to the rabble rouser so like, okay You're here the rabble rousers here The your friendly monster you're doing this to is here because it doesn't have a range Right, so you could be like this is the battlefield. Yeah the my my rectangle Okay So I say this model is good So this model can now run in charge However, it has to finish all of those moves except pylon closer to this unit. So it has to go like this Right, it can't go like this Right, right you with me. Yeah, yes as long as I'm on this diagonal. It's fine But if I'm here and the monster's here this ability does nothing Correct, right because the monster can't go forward The key is is that you need to have your hero near one thing that He's you're going to be charging or moving towards ideas. Yes. Yeah, that is true. I'm assuming Brawny mate said to any rabble rouser. Yeah, that is true to any it have to move closer to a model with this ability Yes, so like if you had Another rabble rouser up here it could walk up to that one or something, right? Yeah, sure Correct. Sure. Yes. Like I'm in this case. I'm assuming you've got like one of each you're doing this too, right? Sure But it's battlefield wide And as long as they're moving along Single access closer. It doesn't matter like so for example Let's say they're on two different poles on a battlefield Right like monster here guy here as long as you're net never going this way And you're always in moving at one millimeter closer this way. Sure And you have to stay within the same arch. Yep, right? You have to you have to maintain that distance And never let the monster end within three inches of this guy, which is like, okay Right, right like Why isn't this just Pick a monster within 12 inches and they can run and charge that turn Because of flavor But like look you you you no, I no, I get it. You came upon a fork in the road Right and my version has like most of the same effect Yeah And It's very simple and takes two sentences This version takes two paragraphs and is nearly incomprehensible Yep We've we've made the wrong choice Okay Like there's no way this would survive development if I sent the rule like this to you Yeah, I it'd be like go back go Go back sit down and think about what you did. Correct. Like well, I would never write a rule like this number one Sure, but number two, this would never survive development with you. This is insane Okay Yeah, if you sent this to me, I'd be like Why is this not just run and charge right? Just make this run and charge Right once per game a monster can run and charge and you Yeah, cool or every round within range of this guy I I hear you bruna, but but branu, but I just I don't I don't agree Like if you're gonna hand out run and charge to a monster You're gonna hand out run and charge to a monster. All you're doing is inconveniencing people and making them play a really annoying mini game Where now and having them having them they're still going to accomplish their goals Have to like even if you understand how this works You have to reread it and you have to explain it to the other person To explain why you're moving the way that you are right. It's just not worth it Like make it a limited range run and charge or something if you want it to be destructiony be like they're goaded You do this on a two up a bad thing happens Or you know like on a roll a dice on a two up this happen one up some bad thing happens Cool on a larger meta question. Is this what goaded means? Is this a new keyword that's been added to the game because now they said This is what they're goaded and this is what goaded means. It's certainly not must attack and can't attack you I'll tell you that much for sure. Um I mean, it's must attack and will attack you if you're in here. Exactly. Yeah, okay at any rate. I just I hate this ability He's a hundred points. It's fine It's fine. I like this scroll is like literally a decreasing Things I like as you read the abilities that the mushroom filled bats quakes incredible Squakes armor four four at a distance fine boring, but fine get going awful Just like straight straight curve into the toilet. Like that's just terrible Okay And then you've got gob of beluza who's still gob of beluza Uh, you've got a squig herd and you've got swig coppers who are still those things they didn't change And that's it. There you go Them is the harbingers. That's the book Uh Overall like I said, I like the book. I like the story. It's a nice little setup for some hopefully some good payoffs later to come I'm very fascinated by these Mystery trolls and this portal beast and stuff. I want to see what that's going to amount to I hope we get some cool chaos trolls in the future. That would be pretty awesome Uh, yeah, what I would say is this, um, the value of these boxes work was pretty nice For mostly across the board like when I went and looked at and did kind of like an economic evaluation Um, I was largely happy with basically everything I saw. Uh, the fec was the weakest Sure, um, which doesn't surprise me. Um, but man, like is it actually the most payoff, but sure No, but like you compare it to the old like getting started, I know right with a getting started box was A, um, terror guys and a foot hero A unit of three and then the, um And then the, uh Uh, the one guy sure. Um, but what I'll say is this, um, I I love The squig box Like that squig box is like gas. It's like around a 40% discount, but the squig box and the um I think the fire slayer box or around a 40% discount, which is about the best you can get on bundles from gw Sure, like on all the stuff that's as good as it gets and then if you can get it from like another Discounter at another decreased rate. I mean that's gas for building art. I agree. Um Yeah, that's a good deal. Yep Uh Brentwood and Keith roger had asked any battle plans. No That's one of the problems I had. I listed that at the beginning. There are path to glory specific battle. This is a narrative book with no battle Yeah, no just standard match play battle plans. There are Three path to glory battle plans. I think but again, I don't play path to glory. So those aren't worth anything to me Right, uh, how many is there? Sorry, I'm just looking real quick for you here One two three Four i'm wrong five six six path to glory battle plans. So if you play path to glory Quite a lot of new battle plans for you, but nothing. That's just a standard battle plan. It's all path to glory stuff No unfortunate um Eventually they'll put these heroes out of singles. Uh, yes Eventually they always do release these for now. They're just normally six to nine months Yeah, something like that it it varies, but yeah, they will eventually put them out like that Uh, all right cool very good. Well, what do you think of dawn bringers? Are you excited to see where it goes what we get for new models in the future? Hey drop your guesses Down in the comments. Do you think we're gonna get sweet? cool zinch chaos trolls Uh, that kind of thing Uh, I want to know what do you think so what what will the future dawn bringers? What will book to? herald for the mortal realms Can I can ask a question that's sure? Sure What if regiments of renown were allowed for anybody? in any grand ally I wouldn't like them as much. I don't like I've I've I just don't like any available things Because then they have to be if even one of these was slightly busted Then suddenly it would just show up in every army. It'd become an incarnate situation No, I hear that I do but in general like these are such a deep investment from its army That it's not like it's way too big of a commitment um So probably but I'd rather they be limited. Yeah. Yeah Okay Like because I remember like fec being able to be ally Everybody, you know, like there was a season where that was a thing um and same thing with fire slayers and so I don't know just look at this. It's like that type of fun weird flexibility is something that interests me and Um, narratively it makes sense. So okay. Sure. I just curious Yeah, I think you just have to make everything so forcibly weak at that point that it just it's then it's useless to everybody So because that's the only choice you can't make it good Right Uh, all right. Cool. 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