 What is your message to those women beginning they climb up the career ladder? I don't really like the term climb up the career ladder I prefer to use the term what is your pathway and what is your ambition and that's a really important question for you to answer and be really secure in yourself that what you want is what you want not what you're told to do if you like. Once you've decided that then the really important thing is to find a senior advocate for you who agrees with your pathway to push you forward and the other thing is resilience you've really got to work out how you make yourself resilient how you look after your well-being because if you don't you're not going to get anywhere that's that would be my advice to someone starting out in their career.