 How we doing? Oh, good pretty good coach good And who you talking about He's doing he's done a lot of things while he's doing playing well playing Been playing to run well learning the system. He's been playing well Over and over again throughout the course of their career. Why does that change things for you as a coordinator? Well, it's just the information that they give me that maybe they know about the guy You know whether to exploit anymore stay away from him in one way or the other doesn't always mean something that you're gonna try to Go good against me. You may go the other way You may say this is not a good guy to try to do a pass-rush game on and he's not gonna He's smart. He's stout or whatever. I mean, it's whatever information they can give you on a guy You just try to use it within the scheme that you have you don't try to go crazy on it, but You know, it's just like Defensive backs should have a book on all receivers that they go against and it's just guy What's he doing press? What's he doing off? What's he doing his breaks? Does he have top-end speed? They should know that and accordingly if they know something about a guy particularly They should always just like us. We share information with the players players share information with us Why would I tell you what I'm trying to do Michael No, I'll tell you we played it Yeah Hey, the more you can do if we can get a guy on the field and he can contribute in some way Then and I feel like he can give us something Different on defense then and we'll try to get it fit him in and we'll try to make the system fit him and use him Why why have a guy sitting on the bench that can play, you know, if If a guy can play then try to figure out what is there something that we can do though Get him on the field without taking really somebody else off or is he's going to be useful That's all you do. You just try to put guys in positions where they can help you Not necessarily could be both could be both What do you get out of that? Like what I'm just trying to understand what you like what that Something obviously Yeah, I wouldn't put it out there. I didn't think we'd get something out of it I wouldn't know it. Why would I ever tell you anything about scheme? Whatever you think Well, first of all, they got a heck of an offensive line. It's all worked together. They're a veteran group. They're very very talented I think it's probably the best if not At least one of the best offensive lines in the league their tandem of backs, I mean either one of them could be starters on every team and probably in the league, I mean chub and hunt. They're both I mean 24 goes out and 27 comes in they're a whole lot of drop-off. So they're just two great great talent backs It's the best tandem two backs, you know, I think I've ever been around, you know combined together You know, I'm not saying that that's not taking anything away from any one guy I thought that back from Seattle was a you know, Perry's really really good back And but can you imagine having him and the same guy right behind him and and you know I mean they had a good group of backs, but these two guys are special Said been able to use the other weapons Amari Cooper and David and the Jocu Well, the thing of it is is that everybody's really, you know, you got a geek up to play the run game I mean, you can't just sit there and just play you're you know the now a defense all the time and and what happens is that That's an asset anytime you get the running game going It's always gonna be an asset to the passing game because guys are gonna you're gonna pull linebackers up to play the run You're gonna get secondary guys to bite on the run Anytime the running game is strong Usually the passing games got a chance then too and they do a good job with You know the play action the boots the quick game all that stuff, you know And if you look at them, they don't get into a lot of third and longs that very third manageable It's not like you're sitting back there Tien off as a pass rusher because it's third down an eight or third and ten There ain't a lot of those it's third and three so now what do you do as a pass rusher? If I rush if they do pass it both coming out quick and I got to be afraid that they're gonna run it I third and three means nothing to them third and four and I just you know I see it around the league trend more and more the air and I was watching just caught a piece of the Monday night game and one Time New York blitzed I think on third down and eight and they Dallas ran the ball for 20 You know you're you're always susceptible to the run when you start pressuring and running zone pressures and doing all these fancy Things and doing all the that stuff simulated pressures and all that stuff They run it You know you got it back so come all I gotta do is break one tackle on there They're in pretty good shape And what do you remember for how rugged the AFC North games were? You know the Falcons haven't done pretty well against the FC North last Eight last couple cycles. Well, I hope that continues and just but that is a it's a tough. It's a tough division I mean it's haven't been a Baltimore for eight years I mean going against the Steelers was was always rough and Cleveland's always been a physical team Cincinnati too, I mean it's a tough division, but you know what they're all tough I mean if you start thinking about the NFC North to and you look back at Green Bay and the old days of Green Bay and Chicago and Detroit Those were physical black and blue games Hey, our games in this division are black and blue, too And then I just think about us even when I was at Tennessee and we play Indy those were bad Everybody's everybody's leagues Physical, I mean there's some teams that maybe aren't as much a little more finesse But they're always there's always teams in every division and they're very physical and Cleveland certainly one of them You face a quarterback Who has the advantage as that goes down the line, you know And on the third on the third go around do you feel like you're in better shape or he's in better shape because of the way You know each other. Yeah, it probably depends on if they're at the same team So if you're playing the same quarterback at the same team He probably now kind of has an idea how we approach him So he may have a little bit of advantage in some ways if there is one You got to be careful as a coordinator not to be keep repeating the same stuff you've run against him before It's always hard because if he had success If you go away from it and you don't have success then you say well, why did I change did they fix it? But if you stay with the same thing and then they beat you everybody's gonna say well Yeah, you stayed with the same thing. He's gonna beat you. So you're you know, it's catch 22, but it's it's I'd say if it's the same guy and the same system The quarterback does but if he changes system What you did to him at the other place may not be anything that you do with him at this place because it could be a whole different system like if If Jacobi was in a system where they threw the ball 50 times a game That's one way of playing him right and then you go to Cleveland and we don't throw it 50 times a game We run it 40 times a game. Well, it's a different system. So the stuff that we're gonna do there isn't To me, I don't know that there's any advantage in his case necessarily other than he has seen some of our stuff But are we gonna run that same stuff because it's a totally different system That's what he's it's gonna be whatever. It's whatever the coordinator up there thinks the head coach in this case and coordinator Personally enjoy one over the other By that I mean facing a guy who's brand new or a guy that you have some experience against and so you're kind of playing this cat Mouse game. I don't know that I really Look at it in either case is that much? It's kind of fun Sometimes when you play the same guy all the time and kind of the same system just because it's a cat and mouse thing a Little bit, but same time as you're hoping that when you play somebody that's in a different system That doesn't know what you're going to do that you can get them So, you know, it's all about hey, whatever the advantage is to winning. That's what I'm all about I don't really care about the rest of it We're just talking Josh so you get only watch two teams in my house and that was Cleveland Browns in Ohio State If somebody else was on it back then when they had blackouts and stuff like that We watched a movie. We didn't even watch another game. We didn't even watch another game I like I remember one day I went to watch Green Bay and they're not we're watching a movie Me it was his Cleveland or Ohio State or nobody that was what it was It didn't it didn't matter it just is that from the point was I might as well go outside and play in the yard And get a football game going up because there's I wasn't gonna be watching Browns if they Were blacked out or not in town. So yeah, it's big-time Browns fan Bob gain All those guys can name a lot of old players you guys wouldn't even know Troy Anderson I can't help but think that he may be one of those players that you were thinking about The I think he was in that two-five for formation Can you just talk about his general progression over these first few games because he's certainly playing Well, he's he's You know, we obviously we grafted and thought he's a heck of an athlete smart kid guys played a lot of different positions very unselfish player Just feel like he's got some physical attributes that we would like to exploit and use and Try to put him in situations that aren't going to be overwhelming as a rookie So rather than him knowing all the system and everything else kind of okay Here's maybe your spot to maybe play and learn it real well and last week We use 55 Nate on a couple of occasions. I just we saw some things in practice We've been watching them. We there's some things that we thought okay Maybe this guy could help us in this situation. So we found a few plays to sprinkle him in too I don't know five or six or whatever it was, but That's all you're ever doing when you watch guy out there practicing all the time and he's playing hard You know that guys guys got some some things about him. How can I use that? Then you just try to plug it in where you can it it's it's not only for our benefit It's really kind of for those guys benefit too. I mean it keeps everybody Very engaged in the game the more guys you can get involved in the game plan the more they're in tune to the whole game plan I'll use it as an example one time and I always thought this was One of the better things over the years that it kind of did was in 1986 Really dating myself on on some of this stuff, but in 1986. I'm defense coordinator at Miami of Ohio And we go down play LSU second game of the season and they had just beaten Texas A&M by 30 or something like that and they're talking about You know, what's the most most points ever scored on somebody at LSU? I mean this is a night night game Saturday night LSU here We are a little Miami of Ohio going down there and we our school colors are red and white so we had a red team a white team and a black team and So if you were starting outside back on a red team the other starting backer was on white team And so everybody we had whoever went we said got on the bus was gonna play So like if you're starting corner one team you were the the other starting corner was on the other team And then the black team was the actual starters So you had three deals and we'd play them by series we beat them 21 to 6 But I remember everybody George Warren and and we scored We got six picks in that game and but everybody played but it everybody was so engaged You know like it wasn't like a backup sitting over there saying well, I'm never gonna get in No, you're gonna get in you don't play and I really always kind of took that To try to involve as many guys as I can because more guys are involved in it the more engaged They are in the game plan, and it's always it's worked out fairly well over the years 21 to 6 Interchangeable Yeah, a little bit and part of that is because we've got you know, you got Richie back you got a hawk back You got Eric Harris back who you know, sometimes he played he played a lot against you know La but not in other games But the thing of it is like I told you guys that one day him and and Dean Marlowe are so engaged in this thing that they're They're talking to those guys. They're like coaches outside of the coaching room and they just they're Addition or their benefit to this team is so great in the back end back there because it's just you know There's other guys are young hawks young Richie's young AJ's young You know Casey's a good one. He's kind of like when we had Fabian last year You know you have that other experienced guy. Yeah, they may have not been in the system for a long time But that's why we've been able to do some more things than we did a year ago Is those guys all get carry-over and then you know last year it was like everybody was hearing it for the first time Some of these guys are hearing it for the second time But they are in a position that they can talk to the other guys that are here in the first time last year They were all in the first time so they couldn't tell Eric Harris couldn't say well Yeah, this is what he means when we leave the room, you know, and they're off by themselves and they're talking You know, it's it's different that way and so, you know Roshan Evans has been with us Michael Walker had been with those guys They're all greedy There's there's a lot everybody talks about what there's all these changes and personal and defense But there's guys that have integrated that defense that were here last year that can now talk to the other players We're sitting there in the cafeteria and they're asking a question Grady can answer it Walker can answer it Roshan can answer it those guys can answer it before last year They're probably going I don't know we'll get back in a room. We'll ask coach, you know, so Now they can answer it and it's and it you know what it's always different It always means more coming from another player than it does a coach, you know, we're we're the coach It's it's you know, if I get after somebody on the field It's one thing if another player gets after another player on the field Total different attitude about it, you know, it's just it means a whole lot more coming from those guys And it does us But that's what I'm saying you can only do that when you understand the defense If you only understand is your position You can't really get be interchangeable because you don't really know what the other guys really supposed to do Okay, if you're you're a safety and you know that guy's a cloud corner But you don't know what cloud corner really means. Well, you can't ever go play cloud corner So, you know, yeah, I know I can tell you what he does he is but I don't really know how he does it Well, if you really understand what that guy does and what his responsibility is I could put Eric Harris Probably in a linebacker now he'd be, you know, too little and stuff do that But he would know where to go where to line up what he's supposed to do So that makes those guys interchangeable I did that a Baltimore lot I mean, we you know, we had DB's playing linebacker a lot of times on third down because they understood What the guy does and the more you stay in the same system and the more you have continuity The better that becomes because that's also the guys that you draft like the Richie Grants and you draft guys like like Anderson And those guys who you know can understand all this stuff and do stuff So, you know We're just talking about that. You really look around the league and look at continuity Think of successful teams like New England Pittsburgh Steelers Baltimore Ravens now Cleveland I don't know how many years now Kevin's been there, but it's starting to look like old Cleveland again You know when you had Paul Brown there forever and Blanton Collier forever. They're pretty damn good So I'm just saying continuity as a coaching staff a continuity as a system makes a big difference, too Yeah, as a kid. Yeah, I was the 80s Browns fan as a kid growing up with all those teams and all those heartaches bumble drive That's amazing how those Players from that era still held in such high regard. It's amazing What do you remember about this? Yeah, how old you were like seven? No, not true school right going through it all But I mean I'm Monday morning depending on how the Browns did it affected your your life Either you're going on the playground happy or you like wanted to stay inside for recess But no, it was it's such a huge especially not the kid a huge Browns town that You know and that was before Really free agency and everything else. So like when you were a kid growing up like you knew the backups of the backups You could you know You fell in love with the roster because you knew everybody who they were and some lived in your neighborhood because you know obviously the money was slightly different than it is today, but Yeah, there's the fabric of that town, right? My whole family still lives there. So the fabric of that town is still Browns through and through And so, you know, you can obviously see why the You know why the fan base is what it is and they keep supporting and but it was definitely it had a direct effect then Your life if the Browns won or lost that game as a kid No, no, I hope not yeah, pull some people over there, but No, I've been I've been gone there from Cleveland for so long But all my like I said my siblings. I'm the youngest by 10 years the civil all my siblings are still there their spouses my My nieces and nephews. I'm sure it's still Browns fans, but hopefully not in Sunday What will be some of the challenges, you know the Miles Garrett situation is up in the air, but What are their defense present? Yeah First, you know when you put the film on I haven't played this defense in a few years Against some of this personnel and what the first thing that strikes you is the speed the competitiveness and the aggression in which They play up front and with their backers. They got really good cover guys But the way that they can attack the edges With their personality interior doesn't give enough credit. I know obviously you have the stars outside But the inside guys cause a lot of problems And so for us, it's a it's a great challenge because each week in the NFL you're presented different schemes to go against defensively Each one has advantages that the offense obviously has to take in account for and for this one It's their ability to penetrate play aggressive Change the line of scrimmage and obviously if they get you into passing situations They can rush the passer and I know it's not just the guys that everybody thinks about They do a great job of pushing the pocket. They get to a great job of taking the air out of the coverage This is a really good unit overall and it's something where our guys, you know the more film we watch as a as a Staff and with the players the respect is growing and it's at a really high level right now Yeah, what they've had right and I think it's a little bit like what we do In terms of the next man comes in if you have a helmet on that day There's an expectation in a standard and you can see it throughout their whole defense regardless of who's been in and who's been out They did it done a great job of preparing their guys Week in week out to to fulfill their task and obligations and like I said before this is going to be a great challenge for us offensively Just naturally feel more comfortable with play action when you get them in your system Do you know I think that's that's a good question? I think there's certain quarterbacks that I've been around That are some don't like to turn their back some rather see it all And so again, right? There's there's always that feeling out process With quarterbacks specifically when they come from college to the NFL the younger they are Typically they haven't worked some of those actions that we asked them to do and so therefore there's a little bit of a learning curve When you obviously lose vision and then have to snap your eyes and find it again And some guys just have natural feel and play pass With their ability to get their eyes around see areas see space And throw balls into either tight windows or lead offensive players into the windows in which they want them to happen And so overall there is a there's a feeling out process for sure about the quarterback I would say there's some that are innately really good at it some train to be good at it And some just you know it never happens for him Yeah, I think Marcus obviously has been he's been exposed to so many different things offensively, you know You go through is you know, we've got a lot of lineage together He grew up in the run-and-shoot so did I you know in Hawaii June Jones was the guy there in Hawaii and every high school Ran the run-and-shoot so that's what he grew up in right and he obviously goes to Oregon I worked with his OC and head coach at one point coach Elfridge I know what they ran with the RPO and the spread offense in the tempo And so obviously he got to Tennessee and he experienced with different coordinators and other Multiple offenses and then obviously last year in Las Vegas on the year prior So Marcus has a really good pedigree in terms of what he's been asked to do He's been exposed to a lot of things so therefore whatever we throw at him He's probably had some familiarity with We appreciate the fact that he's very coachable and what we ask him to do He he takes it to heart and he tries to do the best he possibly can I was told this being recruited I'll never forget this I went to a camp And the guy goes you have a division one arm with division three feet And I said well, what does that mean sir? He's like I'm not sure your feet are good enough So I've always held that with me right there With Marcus the fact what headed coming in by action the fact he is mobile does that Make it easier for him in some ways is that offer a different type of wrinkle Versus a guy like maybe a Tom Brady or a Kirk cousins that don't have that same type of mobility Well, I mean I can speak to Kirk. I mean I was with Kirk and Kirk is is His numbers have been unbelievable, but he's more mobile than people think and he's obviously durable And I've got a ton of respect for Kirk, but in terms of Marcus. It's one of those things where Sure, I mean again your ability to escape is always I would say an advantage to a certain degree. I think what? Quarterbacks that have that ability the one thing is the fine line is Staying in there right to make that throw or hey, no, I could probably leave I have that ability and leave in too early and I think Marcus has done a great job of balancing that And I was equated to like the eighth grader who can dunk right? He's probably not working on his mid-range jump shot It's probably dunking on people right in the quarterback that can run, right? Probably is not going to hang in there just for the last second when he knows he can take off and go And I think through the course of development, especially in NFL What mark has done a great job of is finding that balancing act of knowing when to run and more importantly They're picking the right time to do it and I think he's done that For me it's it's simple You know Marcus is one of 11. That's how I look at it I get he's the quarterback spot and I get that gets a lot of attention and it goes a stat line right in the bottom The TV and there's a lot of things that get involved with it The reality is is he's part of a group that we're trying to score points So if he's if he's involved in that or where he's helping advance the football regardless of how that's done Like we don't get caught up in passing numbers running numbers. We're trying to advance the ball We're trying to score points. So if Marcus is part of that equation. That's helping us Obviously that shows that we're moving the ball and we're doing some good things. Does it mean it's perfect? No so from my evaluation, right, it's not about You know getting down to his numbers and things of that nature It's about is he helping the offense score points Is he putting us in good positions? Not just in the past came he's getting into the right run checks So for me, it's an easy evaluation. You constantly see. Hey, how do we do an offense, right? Was Marcus a part of that was the other ten guys a part of that? How do we advance it? Right, and then we obviously coach it up from there, but overall, right? We're there's things that we definitely need to improve on Going back to the fundamentals is always a big thing for all of us coaches included And that's obviously a stress point going against this defense this week because if you're not fundamentally sound They have the ability to take advantage of you Where was the mistake like where was the communication mistake error there? You've been looking at that I won't go in the scheme right and that's just something again It goes back to the fact that going back to the fundamentals for all of us, right coaches included What we're teaching what we're coaching and how guys are executing it and again That's one. There's other things that we did well. There's other things we need to improve on and that's what the practice is for When you say you all want to play, what do you mean? I think for us Sure, I think when you watch us, right? Well, the most important thing that we're trying to do offensively Like I said before is move the football if that is First play the game like last week moving the pocket to take the shot if it's starting the game with a run If it's starting with something else Our goal is an as offensive coaches and what we're trying to preach the players is we're trying to put them in the Best position so whatever the defense is offering us how we play. That's really our style Right now, obviously we want to come off the ball a certain way. That's just not the offensive line That's everybody and again the way we play hopefully with our tempo and our style and everything else Right is to our advantage and if it's not right, that's what our adjustments it for so again It's more about what we need to do that week to win the football game on offense So with the fun ball handling issue, you know, that does not scheme the later Sure It's all scheme related man. It's all fundamental relays everything else. Do you let no Bernie cozy our collections come on come with me with something else Were you really no Bernie But you're not a Bernie guy does Bernie know that Okay, all right, just making sure Okay Yeah, it's part of my childhood to there do you like just like yours See Eastside look if you represent the east side there D-Led See that's that's good see I've been around different quarterbacks though, right some do it here Right, I've been a part of a guy who did like this and clamped it and then you're going for the old Gator look. Yeah, no Get you out there for QB Center All right No, we're good man. Get you out there experience. It's a full experience for it That's right. Oh, come on D-Led. How long you know me for we're good There's a CP there we go see where were you with the CP I would have gone right down that one Again, I think it's been Obviously, I know what's happened over the last couple weeks. Obviously last year he had You know games in which you saw and then I've been with him in previous spots So and you saw what he did before I was even with him in other spots Again, none of it's a surprise to me or any of us on the staff. We've obviously studied him. We know him coach pre-choose on a great job with him and It's one of those things where again, it goes back to I always say this when it comes to run or pass game I get where the stats go But it does take Everybody involved for it to be Obviously a successful play just like it takes everybody involved when it's not and coaching included and what I think CP has done a really good job of is He understands that he understands the scheme and I think the guys around CP understand his running style And again, I give CP credit to the fact that the way he plays, right? He doesn't take shortcuts. He plays physical you appreciate it about him But we have other players that are doing the exact same thing, right? And that's what we're trying to build here offensively Obviously, we want to we want to play a certain brand of football that helps score points, right? That's the goal Well Mike pre-free's been doing it for a long time believe 21st season in NFL He's done a great job of coaching special teams. His guys are going to be ready. They play fast They're physical they do a great job in the return game getting on blocks staying on blocks getting vertical with the football And then their punter Bureaucras. He does a good job directional punting has a strong leg He could flip the field with with one punt and he did it, you know, obviously a couple years ago He did it with Buffalo led to league and net and gross punting I believe his last year in Buffalo and then KD York strong leg kicker rookie out LSU hit a game winner week one So it's a great test and a great challenge for our guys this week I know y'all look at the kickers anyway, but you said at that spot, but what what are Joe? What was the book on K York coming out of college? I mean, he was consistent strong leg kicker Has good size We'd like this mindset coming out of college Returners from Felton and maybe going back to him. How do y'all prepare for for their return game? Just like every other week led is the NFL Every team has guys that could go to distance with the football. They have dynamic speed Wherever they put back there where there's Felton shorts You know Ford they put Ross Chester Rogers back there. Whoever they put back there We have to do a great job getting off blocks running with speed and making sure that we finish on the football and finish with You know a tackle. That's the key So no miss tackles keep leverage on the football and making sure that our kick and our coverage complement each other We have one 27 yards is is that Win for you if they're gonna boot it and give you the ball there It's chopped that up as a win. Is it frustrating that you don't get any opportunities? It's not frustrating You know, you know Aaron judges hit it was 61st home run last night And you got to make sure that you're swinging at the right pitches when it comes to kickoff return and punt return So the biggest part for us as our return unit is decision-making making sure that we're not just trying to field every single punt Filled every single return because our our blocks and our return unit and the kick has to all complement and Mesh well together So it's not frustrating because at the end of the day The number one goal for our return unit is that our offense has the ball the very next play So we don't want to make sure that we're giving them an extra possession Because a lot of these games in NFL as we could watch weekend a week out or one possession ball games So we don't want to give them an extra possession when it comes to that So it's not frustrating our guys are being patient and it still allows us to get better each and every week with our basic fundamentals Myself and coach Smith It's all based on and based on what type of team we're going against based what type of kicks we're getting So when it comes to that, we're just making sure we're making the right decision for our our offense and for our team I don't necessarily say it was his philosophy is whatever team he's with I mean he started off with coach pre for in Minnesota And then he's worked with various coordinators prior It's all based on the situation based on each game based on the coverage units We're going against based on what type of return that we have in that week For example, you know, he's been various places if a team like you're trying to run a Big field return to the right. Okay, you have a setup to where if they kick it all the way to the left We want to go field return to the right. Well, if they kick it to the right It's kind of hard to set up that field return. So now you're like, okay, that's not the right pitch to swing it That's not the right ball to return. So it's all based on the return. It's based on the situation within the game You could watch the Rams Cardinals games this past weekend. There's two seconds left end of half. They cardinals kick the ball deep It's two seconds left the end of half So Brandon Powell took the ball out eight or nine deep from the end zone because it's probably gonna be the last Play of the half, you know, they have a better chance trying to get a big return And it being a touch back and just nil in the bar trying to do a hell marry something crazy like that So it's all based on the game. I wouldn't say to answer your questions. Not Cordell's Philosophy it's more so his ability and what he brings to the table for our return units and based on our philosophy as a team And as a return unit No, I did not unfortunately I never got a chance to watch any of his ball games No, my brothers were able to go to a couple games, but I wasn't able to Oh, no, I did not send him a text I was unfortunate situation happened But it's a great learning lesson for you know various teams and special teams units throughout the league Just making sure that we're not beating ourselves and you know doing things to put points on the board for the opponent So it's a great situational play to learn from and you know, fortunately those guys came out with the wind It will be shown in our room and before I can even show it the guys were already bringing it up to me before the game and You know as the week was going on, so When you have a back-to-up punt situation, you know usually most punters are lined up about 14 to 15 yards away from the snap So, you know, you put the ball in the 15 yard line They're gonna be you know heels on the goal line But once you start to get into that five yard line area now the punt okay, so going back 15 yards So the pump block the where the balls could be blocked that is about nine to ten yards That's the block point. Well, when you back up and you get that ball inside the five yard line It shortens the block point that makes sense job So shows up the block point so now that ball's on the one yard line So now the block point is even shorter So he has to get the ball off of one step He can't take his normal approach because now there's what 11 yards So he has to do one step get the ball try to keep the block point at nine yards as a pump protein You can't get as much depth when it comes to protection because they're that much closer to the football So when you talk to your your interior front line on pump pro They got to shorten up their sets the personal protector Proving like the example for Sheffield the personal protector whether it's our team or any other team They want to shorten up their blocks They can't back up in normal punt or especially in backed up punt and that situation the PP backs up and Ends up going off of him and being a safety. So that's a great learnable lesson It's a great situational awareness for us to learn from so that doesn't happen to us