 Oh, we're going live. Mm hmm. I cannot believe you're going to let people listen to me. That's crazy. They got to listen to me, too. I have no plan to survive. Yeah, if they make it to this, we need to figure out a way to make the beginnings of the. I guess more interesting, because last week was very much a yawn fest quite literally. That's like the first thing I did was yawn. Is that I wanted to the podcast anymore because I'm tired. Hey, I mean, it's it's a lot better than starting a gym to install and being like, yeah, I have no patience for this. That I was like, OK, yeah, we're watching this. This is going to be golden. Hey, you know, I made it through there. You did. You did. And I was very surprised. I have I have stories about Gen 2. We'll talk about that once on live stream today. Yes, technically, today is our Thursday stream. It's Friday, but it's our Thursday stream every Thursday. But it's Friday. Yeah, somebody, myself. What's busy? Well, I mean, it was either sort of take a day a week off. And honestly, I would have been pretty fine with that answer as well. Great. That was OK. We're doing stuff. We're doing it. We're going to do a podcast. We got a topic you've probably seen the thumbnail. Those of you who are watching live, if speaking of that, if you can say yay or nay, if the audio is good or bad. Yes, we'd be. And while we're getting people saying yay or nay, give me one second. I got to make sure because I can't see buddy nowhere. Not going to make sure he is not going to tear up the house or anything. But he would never do such a thing. All right, yep, we're going to do a podcast. It's going to probably go on for about an hour and a half or so. Usually does. So we'll just do the normal BS and like we normally do. If you're watching this after the fact, we're going to work on the intros. I know that our intros that are on YouTube afterwards aren't all that great. But we'll see how it goes. The last week's was particularly bad. So it got better once I woke up, but that took about half an hour in me to actually wake up and stop yawning because I was man, I was on like crazy last week. And now I'm going to keep saying the word yawn and I'm going to start yawning again. It happens. It happens, you know, OK. At least, at least audio is good on my end. I'm very, very surprised. Seems like every week it's a hit or miss. Honestly, with me being on a completely different distro, I thought something would go completely wrong. But so far it seems to be working just fine. So you probably should find some wood too. Well, I'm just super excited to hear about your daily driver. And distro wise and see if that has changed. It has changed. Yes, I suspect it as much. And I hope to hear glorious revelations with your experience and how the future is going to be for yourself. See a lot of weight in your future. No, no, no. All right, let's go get started, because I'm I'm I'm going to go ahead and. I want to talk about that. All right, you ready to go? I want to hear it. Yes, sir. All right. I'm going to record in audacity. I'm going to hit record in OBS. And you can do the claps whenever you like. All right. Three, two, one. We weren't even close. On my end, that sounded pretty close. Though the latency looks really bad. Let's try again. All right. Three, two, one. That was better. Maybe it was worse. I don't know. Literally, both of them on my end sound super close. The thing is, every time we start like right now, you're perfectly in sync. Like, but the minute you started counting, you started going Japanese movie. It'll be OK. This course is so bad. Oh, man. Like, why is 720p even an option? What is this? Nineteen ninety eight. I mean, seriously, one day we'll get the privilege of 1080p one day. No, no, we'll never do that. OK, so here's the funny thing is that they brought they've started rolling out the ability for people in the Discord service to actually support you like monetary, like something like Patreon. And it was. Exclusive to like higher end servers, but now a lot of people can do it. My server's still not there. So can't do it. You have 500 members and it was had some really weird like restrictions on it. But like, why would you do that through Discord? I mean, at least it's better than nitro, because at least then you're supporting the creator. But I don't know. Which one even then it would it would worry me because I don't know how much Discord is taking percentage wise and I don't trust them to take a less or the same amount that Patreon is taking. Like, I just I don't see Discord being the nice guys. You know, no, no, I really don't feel kind of shady every once in a while. I don't know. All right. Let's go ahead and get started. I think I'm all ready to go. I'm all ready to go. I got the news up. I got the notes up. So let's go. All right. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Linuxcast. I'm your host, Matt and I'm Tyler. So yes, this is the Linuxcast. We talk about Linuxy things usually. And as I say, every week, this is the week we're not going to have any tangents whatsoever. OK, all right. I'm sure somebody believes us. All right. You know, nobody believes us. If you vote, I mean, there's probably that one guy like, oh, well, that's nice, no, tangents, the guy, they're just going to stay right on topic. Yeah. No. No. Somebody I'm watching in 360p, like. All right. Anyways. So anyways, the Linuxcast, we got to do the podcast, Matt, time to get your head in the games. Tyler, what have you done in the false world this week? Well, if I'm being completely honest, this week has been kind of crazy for me because I've been out of town the 28th. I left like on a flight to Colorado and helped one of my discord members, Arch Center. Some people will probably know him or have heard of him. But I went over to his house and helped him move and drove back down. So I just got back like last night. And so I haven't really been doing much at all with a computer, YouTube, I didn't really post anything because I mean, it's just moving and then driving. It's like there's nothing really exciting there to like document other than like, oh, hey, we're driving through Kansas. Look, there's nothing here. That's pretty much. We just went through Iowa. Hey, look, there's some corn. Exactly. Yeah. So but now that I'm back, I'm so I'm using Windows right now just because I needed to mess around with Unreal Engine and get something done really quick. And if you know anything about Unreal Engine and Epic, they're not really great at, you know, like supporting Linux. But you can actually build Unreal Engine from source on Linux. You just can't get it like for a download like binary straight from the launcher, obviously. Two, I just went ahead and installed Windows because I needed to get working on it. And that because that would be much easier than downloading all of the source code for Unreal Engine 5 and then compiling it because if anybody here has no idea, Unreal Engine is massive in size and it definitely takes about as long, if not much longer than Firefox to compile. It's pretty gnarly. So but I am going to go ahead and put Linux back on here as my host machine and then just do a KVM setup and pass my graphics card through to a VM and just do that for Windows if I need to do anything in Windows from now on because I don't really like having it as my host like at all like main host system. It's OK to do stuff in like, you know, like when you need to use Windows, it's it's OK. But like, there's just a lot of stuff that I would prefer to have kind of like put down in a VM like kind of containerized and kind of do the Moodahar approach. But I have no idea what I'm going to pick for my host machine. I was really liking Debian, but I feel like I should like. Try something else, just spruce it up. Should definitely be gen two. So it is too bad that you have that many toy motherboard thing that doesn't have an appropriate number of, you know, PCIe slots because if you had a regular size motherboard, they have these Nvidia graphics cards that have no ports on them whatsoever. And you can get them on eBay for like twenty five thirty dollars. And you can just use that as your VM. You GPU because it doesn't need a port and stuff. The way that like a virtual machine, like doing the KVM pass through and stuff typically works out is you can't really use the like splice like the built in like VM display thing that they give you because it like you can actually get 60 FPS from it. I mean, it actually like it's really hard to get it above one Hertz craft computing was showing how to do it. So I'm not sure there was some work around. He had to get it to work, but it looked really cool. I'm not sure what his end performance was, but it sounded like to look at that because as far as I've ever done is like you just pass through the graphics card and then you just switch your monitor to that output and then you have like your Windows VM on the monitor and you'll get full display like resolve will not just obviously resolution, but also like refresh rate, but I haven't tried it out. So I need to I need to do that. But hopefully as soon as like because now I've got time, I've I've I got a lot farther in the project that I that I need to get done in Unreal. So I kind of have time to compile it. So I'm hoping that I really don't need to use the Windows VM like ever, but because it really Unreal Engine is the only reason I'm using it now. I have a feeling I know the answer to this, but how does Unreal Engine work with wine? So could you just use wine to do it? No, just try. No, what about bottles? Wait, what? What about bottles? There's a bottles. There's a app called bottles that helps you run Windows applications on Linux. Highly doubt it. Like just because Unreal Engine is a massively complex program. Very GPU dependent, probably, right? Yes, very GPU dependent, but also if it varies, I mean, it's it's both the GPU and CPU dependent. It's a gorgeous engine. It's absolutely gorgeous. And yeah, it's really nice, but that's pretty much what I've been up to. All right, well, let's get to you. I'm interested to hear what you've been up to. Let me take you through a story, shall we? So Sunday night. So OK, so actually started late later last week. I tweeted out that if the Warriors won their series that in the Western Conference finals that I would install Gentoo and they won. So I on Sunday night, I paid that bet and streamed me installing Gentoo. And despite somehow messing up the Kaboom to live environment right at the beginning of the stream, it went perfectly fine. Got it installed. And I was going to use that. Originally, my plan was to install that on my main hard drive, like my NVMe one terabyte drive and use Gentoo as my actual daily driver like Arco was going away because I wanted Arco to go away because they've been changing so much stuff. And I don't really care for the direction that they're going anymore. So I was going to finding a new thing and Gentoo was going to be it and it installed fine. And the next day with a little bit help from Ben out and Josh, I was able to get everything up and running just fine. And it was actually working better this time than it did the last time. I got installed like everything. There's no screen tearing. I was able to get I three up and running poly bar up and running all my configs, all my applications. There are even like Crusader and, you know, a couple of other like really big apps all compiled and everything was working. And then I was prodded into installing SDDM. And I did that and it worked fine installed fine. I did the I rebooted got into SDDM the display manager and the keyboard in the mouse will not work. So I I sat there and waited for like five minutes and eventually the key this mouse started working and I was able to put the cursor or the the I beam in the text box to type my password in got the password working and the keyboard start working then. So like we'll screw this. I'll just go back to the way it was before and just use start X. So I uninstalled SDDM removed it from open RC and changed the appropriate file back to the way it was so that it knew I was using start X instead of using SDDM and rebooted the computer got into it. It loaded fine into the TTY with the keyboard wouldn't work like the keyboard wouldn't work at all in the TTY. So I was like, well, you know, maybe there's, you know, something going wrong with the USB port something like that. So I switched to a different USB port like I know that the keyboard is fine because the keyboard is brand fucking new and like the keyboard is fine. Plus it was working fine before the whole SDDM thing. Right. So whenever what I did did if I could not get the keyboard to work and even unplugging and plugging it back in like once the keyboard would turn on so like it has like a RGB underglow. Right. And so when the PC turns on that light comes on when I get and they would stay on into the TTY but if I unplugged it and the keyboard and plugged it back in it would not turn back on like the RGB would just stay completely blank. So that Gen 2 install was completely bored and well I left it on there for a little while and Ben helped me a little bit and I got on R slash Gen 2 on Reddit and asked the question the only help that I got on R slash Gen 2 was well obviously your keyboard is broken like I'm an idiot. I'm not that much of an idiot. Plus it was working just fine on Arco which I still had installed right. So I was like well you know my NVMe is getting pretty full like I only had like 20% free space on my NVMe. So I got on Amazon ordered myself a two terabyte Saber drive and the NVMe and got that here. And I was like you know I'm going to put this in my computer. I'm going to install Gen 2 on it but this time I'm going to be bold. I'm going to do all by myself. I like it. That did not go well. It went fine up until I got to Gen kernel and then I did the Gen kernel dash dash all thing that said it says in the handbook apparently somewhere along the line in the kernel section I skipped a step and I don't know which one it was because the help that I got online wasn't all that helpful but anyways it said that a certain file and slash user something something Linux was not found like it just would not go through. Not sure why and I you know I copied the error. You might have skipped sim linking the kernel like at the begin at the beginning. It's possible the the the error help that I found online when I searched the error they said that I missed it. I don't remember the part that I said I missed but anyways I did the part that they said I missed and it still didn't work so I gave up like I was just done with it. So I download the arch ISO and put arch on here on that new drive and it is working fantastically like it's been working so good. I'm honestly quite surprised because usually I have a huge problem with vanilla arch usually. I spent like two or three weeks like oh my God I forgot to install that I forgot to install that so there's always these dependencies and stuff like that that I'm missing for it like takes me like two weeks to get the computer back to where I need it to be this time I said fuck it I'm writing an install script so I wrote an install script for all my applications I all my sin links and stuff like that I did a script for that so that was really good. Yeah so I'm back on arch I have not given up the dream of Gentoo but Ben has talked been talking me into something called Redcore. So I'm going to try Redcore it's apparently a Gentoo based distribution. Never heard of it and neither have I I got heard of the other two a calculator and Sabion or whatever it's called. But yeah Redcore is apparently the manjaro of Gentoo. So I'm going to give that a try not on this drive don't know that that's a selling point for me. I don't know manjaro back in the day was a good alternative to Arch before Arch had a whole bunch of Arch based distributions manjaro was the thing that you want to use. So maybe that's the that's the thing so I don't know. Yeah so my experiences last week with Linux has been an interesting one. I will install Gentoo again someday but I've learned that I can't do it by myself like one of the one of the comments on my stream from Sunday was like yeah this was really interesting but it seems like your friend mostly did most of it for you for you. Like yes that's true but I did learn stuff like I was you know reading the guidebook and stuff like that it was the important part it took me like five to six installs before I could do it on my own like and have it be successful and like fully functioning and not miss anything like Gentoo takes time like it's it's a little bit more convoluted than an Arch install. Just is doesn't mean it's impossible but it's definitely more convoluted. I even went to see I did I went both easier and harder this time on my own because I didn't do the butterfests thing even though I really like butterfests having my main system so I was like fine I'll just stick with the X-T4 but because all the instructions are assuming that you have UEFI I decided I would just do a UEFI install and I've never done a UEFI install any Linux distribution so until but I take that back now this Arch install is UEFI so so I cannot no longer say that. Um. So zero Linux sent you some messages. Oh, I don't check mail very often now I'm really back that yes I'm the worst thing you sent me like a voice message on anchor but I don't even how to listen to it so email probably would be the best way to get into contact me anyways alright so that anyways that's what we've been doing in FOS this this week it's been fantastic fantastic and that I've done a lot of stuff and learn some stuff but other than that you know anyway so moving on to the contact information if you'd like to get in contact with us you can do so in any number of ways you can email us at what is it email at thelinuxcast.org I think it is actually don't have that here in here why do I not have the email thing that's like the one thing that I should mention but anyways all of our contact information you can find at the linuxcast.org slash contact speaking of the linuxcast.org that is the website it is amazing and well updated slash sarcasm it's it's not well updated but it is there it does exist if you want to get find all of our past episodes you can find all of the few blog posts that I've created those things are there and you can support some page on page on dot com slash linuxcast you can follow Zany Zany Tyler goes by Zany online I always mix that up it's like Willy Wonka all over again Tyler goes by Zany online you can follow him on youtube youtube.com slash Zany OG discord he has all that stuff so all that those links will also be at youtube.com or youtube.com the linuxcast.org slash contact so also make sure you subscribe to the linuxcast youtube.com slash the linuxcast you'll find there a whole bunch of content like I'm pretty sure I just went over 500 videos which is just I mean seriously never done 500 of anything my entire life the fact that I've done 500 videos is is nuts especially in like a year and a half like that's pretty sauce anyways so youtube.com slash the linuxcast if you haven't subscribed already I do appreciate it anyways so Tyler every week you and I we scour the interwebs for the most latest breaking exclusive news we call our sources and tell ask them what's going on in the world of of boss and they get back to us with these amazing things so Tyler what is your news of the week mine is about duck duck go and it you know acting funky for the past little bit this is an article that's it's from like a couple weeks ago but I'm pretty sure we've all heard stuff about duck go very recently and there's a lot of debates over whether or not they're really protecting your privacy because not too long ago there was the whole duck duck go kind of got caught like because of their agreement they have an agreement with Microsoft so they can't really block all of Microsoft's trackers and stuff like that there's in this article here they're talking about their they were not purging you to deal or the pirate bay from their search results but you can go down here and they actually have on this is the verge which I'm not a massive fan of the verge at all but if you need a great PC build video that's so terrible it can make you just dry your eyes out please go watch that poor guy who did that like he was an idiot but he did not deserve the hate that he he's he's an internet he's an internet he has internet fame forever yes yes it's it's fantastic it's a great laugh if you're feeling down just go watch the verges PC build trust me you'll have a good laugh no don't do that watch the reaction videos on YouTube to the views because some of them are absolutely hilarious like they're better than the best way to watch the original video is with someone commentating on it who builds computers professionally usually I can't stand reaction videos like I can't it's just lazy as kind like I do lazy content like I I think we all know I do lazy content I do to very happy with some lazy content but reaction videos they're just so lazy like seriously all you're doing is watching a video and occasionally commenting on it and usually when you're commenting on it you're being an asshole to the person you're reacting to and that just doesn't sit well with me but but those you those verge ones I don't care be asshole those those are hilarious those are great like the people's reaction like because they're like you can tell some people like actually physically recoil at some of the things that he does it's great it's fantastic it's like those those videos you see every once in a while somebody building a PC instead of putting the the paste on top of the CPU they get they squeeze out the entire tube right onto the pins. Like don't do that. That's not how it's supposed to work. But with doctor go they have a little animation thing that you can see where they actually show that they they were actually like it wasn't being found and then it is being found like a week later after they got essentially called out on it. So it it it's up for debate whether or not it was just the pirate Bay was down or whatever you know like there's a whole bunch of controversy with duck.go right now and I kind of just wanted to talk about it. Are you still using duck.go and by still using I know you never were like a massive fan of it because you'd constantly have to like just use the Google Shebang. But are are you using duck.go now. Like what's your opinion on it as of late. Well I mean obviously they've duck.go feels like they've been purchased by Mozilla. Like they've transitioned from being a privacy focused search engine company to being a company that is more interested in figuring out how they're going to make their next dollar. And everything they do feels like they're trying to push forward into making more and more money which is fine. You got to support yourself and you got to pay for the developers. So like the thing I vote like it honestly they're they're interested in making more money to support their development work would be fine if they actually had development work like they don't have their own search results like they use beings. They're basically a front end for being for the most part right. The most well I mean I think they're it's debatable but I think for the most part that's pretty accurate. That's where they get their search results and then they do some something to make them worse than being just like whatever development work they're doing basically they take being and make it somehow worse which I'm not actually sure how you accomplish that but they did in fact do it but to answer your question. No I don't actually use duck to go. I don't think that's surprising but what will surprise people is that for the last two months I've been using Sirks as my main drop main search engine and it is really good like I mean it is fantastically good if you get yourself an instance whether you someone else's or your own and you get the settings set up just right so that you can get search results from like a whole bunch of different search engines Google duck duck go being like all of them like they're all there and you can get it set up just so that they're ranked in the appropriate way. It's really good now there's still there still are times when I find myself going to Google but maybe twice a week. Usually it has to do with image search because the image search isn't all that great on Sirks but other than that I use Sirks all time like it's even on even on my phone I use a Sirks instance so it's that good yeah. Yeah I'm going to do my own search engine instance one of these days. I've been told both that it's really hard and really easy so I don't know what it is. Yeah that's my article and I think I think most people are moving away like I've kind of I didn't even know that they had a deal with Microsoft so like I was like wait what like I think I think their big problem is is that they're trying like said they're trying to be Mozilla in some ways and like Mozilla has this big deal with Google right that's where Mozilla gets all their money from and I think that duck duck go and I don't know the truth behind this or not but it feels like they're trying to do the same thing but with Microsoft so that Microsoft kind of supports them especially in their browser space like they want to create this browser right. And in order to do that they need to have some money because there's a big difference between taking Bing search results and doing minimal stuff to it and then presenting as your own search engine and actually creating like a web browser like that is good and people want to use like there's a big difference between that because wait hold on are you sure because like pretty much everyone I know is just taking chromium and they've been like we got our own custom extensions. Yeah, they're not doing that though dude. They're not using chromium at all. So they're building from the ground up. No, they're not doing that either. Oh my. No, no, this is why their browser is so fucking confusing cuz so what they're doing what they're doing at least when they first announces what they're doing. I don't know where they're at now but their announced intentions were that they were going to use the system specific browser engine on whatever OS they're using. So if they're using like iOS, they'd use Safari. If they were using if they were using Windows, they'd use Edge, which I guess would be chromium. If they're using Mac, they'd use Safari again. If they're using Linux who the fuck knows what they're going to do because Linux does not have a default browser base. Maybe they'd use Firefox on that's why it was so confused like when we talked about this on the show when they announced this like because it doesn't make any sense that they're not going to have like one base browser that they're going to be something we just assumed that it'd be chromium but it's not actually chromium all the way across the board. It was really weird. If we talked about this, I've totally forgotten about it. This is so weird. It's been about six. It's been about six months or so. I don't know how well it's working for them because it's only available right now on Mac. I don't know. I don't know why they'd come up with this idea. Right? Because it just sounds like so much extra work. Well, not only that, but by basing yourself on the platform's default browser, you're giving that platform power over your browser. So we're just what happens if the platform changes its default browser that or when things are like Edge and Safari are not the same browser so they don't render the internet in the same way just like the same Firefox and chromium not the same browser. They use different engines. So that means that you could use DuckDuckGo on Windows and have your websites render in one way. Use your DuckDuckGo browser on the Mac and have them render in a completely different way like you'd be using the same browser, but it'd be using a different engine. It was it's just so weird. Teach their own, you know, like go for it. I hope it I hope it works out for them. Doesn't sound like the brightest plan I've ever heard. But then again, I'm just an idiot on the internet. So like what do I know? Maybe it'll work out great for when they first and not so everybody was so excited like we're going to have a third like a third. You know, like a browser base. Maybe like they were that create their own engine, right? That was that was the dream like finally someone else is coming around around. Maybe they'll do for Mozilla what Mozilla was hoping to do with Firefox and has failed, you know, but no, that's not what they seem to be doing. So yeah, all right. So moving on to we could I said it just a few minutes ago that DuckDuckGo feels like the new Mozilla like Mozilla is dead. We don't have to talk about them anymore. Like yeah, people still use their Firefox and I still use it, but Mozilla is dead. We don't need to talk about them anymore. Now we can bitch about DuckDuckGo being open source company or not even open source company. They're more a private quote unquote privacy respecting company that is not so interested in your privacy. I don't know. All right. So I just I just like the irony in a privacy focused company being like, yeah, we're not allowed to block Microsoft trackers like what? That's awesome. It's like the irony is just palpable. It's great. We're a privacy focused we're a privacy focused company except when there are exceptions. If you have enough money, you can send us that money and you'll be one of the exceptions. Yeah, like it's just like, you know, our mission statement. It changes with how much money is in front of us. You know, as a poor bastard, I don't blame him. If Microsoft wanted to send me, you know, millions of dollars, you'd all be fucking tracked, man. My ass is going to the Bahamas. Good Lord. All right. Moving on to my news of the week. So mine's a little bit less controversial. At least I think it'd be. But Arch has a new menu based installer. It does not come. So they have had for probably about a year now. Like an installer that comes with the actual ISO. It's actually on the ISO. It's called Arch install. It would run you through a series of prompts in order to install Arch and it started off pretty bad, but got better over time. This one here does not come installed on ISO. You would have to install it. It's called Arch install as well. So you just do pseudo dash capital S Arch install and it'll replace the one that's on there. But this one here is a menu based system. So I like to say that I've seen this kind of thing before. It does kind of look familiar. It's not really end curses, but it's similar along those lines where you choose each option you want for your install through a menu system and it just will install on Arch Linux. It's supposedly really good. Brody did a review on it. It looked really fantastic then. And the one thing that I wanted to talk about here is what do we think about Arch actually having an installer of its own? Because the whole idea of Arch Linux, at least if you ask the ArchBros is that you have to install it yourself. The the journey of installing of an all Arch Linux is the reason why you install Arch Linux because if you didn't, that's the reason why every time someone says, well, I use I use Arch, but you're using Arco. You're not using Arch. How dare you use an Arch based distro and call it Arch. You're obviously a faker. You know, I kind of like this move though. Like I don't know about you, but this kind of makes it really hard to be the Arch like douche bag. Like where you're like, like the reason I use Arch is because it's really hard, like it's really hard to install and like people, not everybody can do it. Like the Arch team has been making a massive push towards making Arch just easier for anybody to install like regardless of what the argument is. It's just objectively more easy to install. Kind of makes it kind of makes the Arch community need to have a shift towards like you've got a problem. How can we make it easy to solve? Not just be like, read the manual and follow the 17 steps. You'll be fine. Like I don't think our arch isn't really that way, but like sometimes for a new new user, they think it's going to be that complicated. And when you just get told like go solve it yourself, like there's got like there's there's the man page or like read the documentation. Read the F manual, right? Yeah, like when you go to a lot like see like here's the thing like with a big program like that's got a lot of different stuff like, you know, like the XORG page, there's a lot of different shit on that page even though installing XORG is like right there. It's a super easy part when someone's unfamiliar and they see that table of contents like they might be like, holy shit, like it's I don't know. There's there's always the great people who will just like link you to that section in the documentation. And like those are the really great people that like in pretty much every Linux community where like instead of just telling you to go read the documentation, they tell you to go read the documentation, but they link to the specific part that's relevant for you. Like I think I think that's just like if you're going to be helping someone and you're going to tell them that they're probably like their question or their problem is already answered. It's very simple and it's in the documentation. Instead of just saying that like link to that specific section, especially with stuff like Arch where they have they have those links that can take you to a specific section of the documentation. That's really how you should provide help. And I don't know things like this make kind of just make it easier to get into Arch like just mainline Arch compared to other distributions that are spinoffs. I like it. I think it's a good thing. As a long time Arch based destroy users like Arco for the longest time was my thing. I don't have a lot of room to stand and say that this is a bad thing. Right. I think that in some ways this is probably the best thing that ever happened to Arch Linux in that Arch like Gentoo in many ways is very like you were saying it's very intimidating. Sometimes when you when you go to that install page in the Arch Wiki, you know, it can be very, very intimidating. Like there's a lot of stuff there like for the longest like for the longest time when I first tried I was going to do do my first Arch install on a laptop without an ethernet cable. And this was before this was back when they were before they redid the the Wi-Fi menu stuff. So this was when it was much harder to actually connect to the internet through Wi-Fi. And I never not once got past that point and that was always the point where I just give up like it this is too hard to connect to the internet. Like it should be just why is this not just easy to connect to the internet like it wasn't right. I mean it is now like now is not hard at all and but the documentation then even for connecting to the internet was all over the place like they said if they gave you instructions on how to do it if you were connected to ethernet which is fine and just you know just move past this but if you wanted to connect via Wi-Fi you had to click on this and you had to find the drivers that you were supposed to be using you had to find the the name of your your your network card and it was all this stuff like it was a pain the ass and I never got past like I was a complete new but Linux anyways trying to do that just was completely over my head. So I can see something like this this menu where it's just way easier like it's basically an ArchBase distro now but it's not because it's actually been a large you're just you you're basically using an Arch install script is basically what you're doing right and I think that that's I think that's a good thing. I think once they get this menu system perfected that they should come installed on the ISO like this should they should take over for the Arch install it is on there once they get it perfected right I think that'd be great. And then I mean there will always be that like I don't know like I think some people like are afraid that if they do something like this you won't be able to install Arch like the old manual way and I don't think that's ever going to change like you'll still be able to leave the installer and like just do it manually if that's something like you know you enjoy or like that's a part that like you are a masochist and would like to go through the pain of installing it the traditional way. I mean it's not actually that painful but I mean it could come across as that painful if it can I mean it's not as easy like I mean there's there's obviously a reason they're working on this because it would make it easier and quicker but you know if I mean if you want to make if you want to do it the old way you want to make sure everything's done your way proud like how you see fit and I don't think Arch is ever going to be like that's not an option anymore like that's not what Arch is. So I don't know like it can't really be a bad thing that Arch is getting easier to install for more people like that's can't be a bad thing. Now Gentoo you need to do something similar. Now you need to be easier to install Gentoo it's going to be good. All right before we move on a couple of things I need to take care of I didn't thank zero Linux for the five dollar super chat I do appreciate that I should have I just read it I should have said thank you but so thank you also Ms. Love thanks for the super sticker I think that's what that's called a super sticker super moji something I don't know what that that's actually called but thank you for that as well. Somebody asked me if I've done a an Arch install like live in it for a month I'm actually using Arch right now as I said at the beginning like it's basically like living in Arco by the way because because I like everybody had this has the saying right like your Arch based sister that's not Arch I'm sorry yes it is okay yes it is just because I did not install Arco the same way you install Arch doesn't mean that it's not Arch it is Arch and now you can make the argument that Manjaro is not Arch you can make that argument because they don't pull from the Arch repos Arco does Arco's Arco I think I think of the better statement is not every like spin-off distro is the same as the parent but some definitely are like a bun like Linux Mint is not Ubuntu but at the same time like something like pop OS you could say is definitely like it's definitely Ubuntu it's just better like it's improved but again not better with every distro it's like improvements for some people like a portion of people like not everyone's going to benefit from the improvements that pop OS makes on Ubuntu some people are going to be fine with Ubuntu and prefer it's fine but it's the same thing with Arco like Arco is Arch like someone someone in the comments said that it's it's bloated and comes with a whole bunch of stuff that is true it's Arch with a whole bunch of stuff on top of it that's that's true my judgment on whether or not an Arch based distro is basically Arch is whether or not it pulls from the same repositories as Arch does Arco does therefore it is an Arch it's Arch right yes it has other repositories out on top like it has Arco has its own repositories but also has Arch's repositories so it's it is Arch Manjaro like on the other side it doesn't pull from the Arch repositories it pulls from its own own repositories first and only therefore not Arch it's an Arch based distro it's a stupid argument I understand but it always like one of the things you'll if you've ever used an Arch based distro and you're using an Arch based distro that is not well supported like it doesn't like it doesn't have a lot very big community made it's really small or something so you're like well I'm using Arch based distro it's basically Arch I'm going to go to the Arch forums and try to get help if you try to get help and tell them you're using Arch based distro see their reaction it's it's like you jumped into a pool of piranhas and they're all going to rip you to little bitty pieces they're very not interested in the people using Arch based distros and Arch they want you to go get your support from the discriminator which I can understand like in a way I feel like they don't want to support other people's work but they could be a bit more friendly about it anyways that's enter the news that's it for the news so that means it's time to move on to the main topic which we are 43 minutes in not a record not a record we're getting there we're not a record anyway so the main topic this week so one of the things that has kind of come up over the last six months or so as Linux has gotten more popular like or at least maybe not know more popular like as in more people using it but more in the mainstream media like since Linus did his thing and this thing that came out and stuff like that so you know it since that time Linux has gotten at least you know someone popular and some you know meaning of the word there's been a lot of discussion about from the very entrenched people in the Linux community of whether or not we are happy that it's getting more popular because there is a thought in the Linux community that Linux is better off as a small very niche thing where yes it grows you know a little bit but for the most part it's just the thing that has always been very much a us also you know want to be Windows and what somebody somebody described as a want to be Windows the other day in one of my comments but you know whatever you describe as always their argument is that it's better off to say small so Tyler what do you think of this do you think that we even want when the Linux to win but I quote when they totally understand the argument from a security standpoint like it's better that it stay small for security just because like and and like I don't know like security and privacy because really the reason security and privacy is like under attack is just for money and if we're a small community or even a more large community but we're still a community that agrees that like we don't really spend the money unless it's a donate to something that like we use often or very much enjoy it even and even then let's be honest about this the best majority much nah maybe one or two dollars but mostly well and it's because you're not really forced into like well I either like you've got the option of well I've got forty dollars to give so I'll spread it around all these different projects and help out all of them a little bit and like companies would prefer like no like give us all that 40 like you choose one of us and hopefully we're the one Adobe is like give us nine hundred dollars a month and we will give you a piece of software that was developed in the 1990s and I I understand that like a business like it's not like I'm clueless or don't understand that's how business works I understand that but at the same time it makes us less of a target when we're known as not being like very open to spending a lot of money. I mean if you think about it like it's kind of like you know if you were going to rob someone like if you were really bad off and you were going to rob someone you probably wouldn't rob the like closest homeless dude to you like you know like you probably rob someone who's like well off like those guys out in California who are are are they're camping out at like fancy restaurants and then following the people in the really expensive cars home to rob them. You don't follow the guy in a 1997 Chevrolet Beretta. Okay. That's he has really nice spinners on it in which case maybe you do. I mean you just you just don't I mean you don't follow the guy with a beater up you know like it's just I understand that argument for Linux dang small but I I I think the fact that Linux is getting more popular is not like something that has to be a dress like it's a however you want to say it like a byproduct a symptom of just Linux getting better like and I and I think that's kind of obvious like Linux is not only supported more software but it's it's just gotten more reliable. It's gotten better to use. He's got all yeah. Yeah like it's across the board. Linux has gotten just much better especially especially over the last five years. Even more so if you take into account ten years and you go ten years back like the improvement is unbelievable on Linux ten years ago try to play a Windows game on Linux. Yeah I mean would probably rather run in front of a bus saying you have a better time. Your your luck was real low real low but I mean it's got just across the board in every area Linux has gotten better. Maybe you can make the argument that in security it's gotten not as better just because there's more people using it. There's more there's more projects springing up. There's more opportunity for vulnerabilities to be implemented or exploited but I think for the large part like that is just a symptom of everything else in Linux getting better and more people not just wanting to use it but also develop for it. And of course if you have a large group of people that now want to develop for something there's going to be small few little douche bags who are like I'm going to make malware. It's just it's going to happen but yeah I think I think that's something that we can deal with and we're obviously like as boss or we're more set up to deal with it there's a lot more people who would who would like and feel kind of good by giving some time to like audit FOSS code like you know like Microsoft or any other big company has to pay someone to audit their code. Nobody's really doing it or wants to do it in their free time but we have a community of people that there's a small portion of that really do enjoy auditing code and that's a good thing and so I don't know I think we can handle it. Okay, so I'm like you I think that there's a part of me that understands the argument and even agrees with it like in some small part of my brain thinks that I don't want Linux to ever be more than you know three or four percent of the market and maybe it never even will get there and the reason why is because one of the things that I enjoy most about the Linux community is that it is small and it feels you know it feels like I mean yes we have our assholes we have many assholes in the Linux community any community over the size of three has the you know an asshole if you have a community of three people one of them is an asshole. It's like it's a Newton it's like the fourth Newton law or something but the you know but for the most part the Linux community because it's so small and insular you know is very friendly and it's very nice to interact I mean you and I have but we are friends because of the Linux community right yes and you know you and Scott friends because of you know the Linux community right you meant through meant through discord you know and you and I both have many different stories of meeting actual people that are now friends you know because of this thing called Linux and it's amazing and I worry that if Linux was way more popular like Windows more popular like that size it wouldn't be as easy to have you know that kind of intimate experience between you know a small group of people and there is probably some truth that but I also think that if Linux were to get to that point like where they're like 50% of the market Linux would just continue to do what it always does and it would fragment into smaller community so like you'd have the arch community you'd have the gen two community right and those would then remain small enough where you'd still have that camaraderie amongst people who use the same stuff you you do and so I think that my fear of it becoming less community based at least since in the sense of the way it is now is kind of it just wouldn't happen that way and you I really don't know because I feel like if I mean if you if we all think about it for a second like the majority of people who use Windows aren't the people you see on Windows support forums and like Windows communities like a lot a lot of the people that use Windows are just your average Joe Smoh who just uses it to do business shit on and it cares nothing for what he runs. They either run chrome all day long and never go into a different application or they open an Excel or something. Yeah, yeah. So you talked a lot about security and that's really the biggest like argument people have against Linux getting big right and in Glosec in the in the chat said security by obscurity is what he's talking about right and there is some thing to that but the thing is like Linux is not obscure like that's the thing is like Linux is the most used operating system on the planet whether you like it or not and that's absolutely the truth like we think it's Windows but it's actually Linux because if you count mobile and servers it blows windows out of the water. Okay, like that's the thing and so there is a ton of Linux malware and spyware and viruses and stuff out there but they're not targeting a random Ubuntu user they're targeting the server space that's where all the bad stuff happens and that's because that's where they can make their money and it's like you're going to make a lot more money blackmailing you know Amazon than you would buy blackmailing Tyler you know it's just the law of economics you know it's just just the way it works you know so the argument that the only way Linux can remain secure is by staying small is doesn't really work for me because it's already so big now you could argue that if the desktop Linux got bigger that there would be more chances for you know spyware and stuff like that and that's probably true but the one thing that I've learned in five years of using Linux all time is that Linux is not perfect there's always flaws like at least there's tons of zero days and you know random root access things that like there was one on Ubuntu not so long ago that if you you type the letter A over and over and over again it would give you access to the system you know immediately right maybe it wasn't the letter A but it was something like that right they discovered that one day it was patched the next day right that's the thing about Linux that you don't really get on Linux like when Windows has a problem they have to wait until the next Tuesday to patch it because they have a day for that you know Windows we have no patch days if they find something they will patch it now there's an argument that like there's a lot of people using like really old kernels that no longer get updates or whatever but that's a problem for everybody like there's people still using Windows XP you know that's not a problem that's unique to Linux for the most part if you're using Linux you're probably using something that's still maintained and that means that one even if it's old too like I do have to make that pretty clear like a lot of people are like well I mean there's plenty of people using older versions of Ubuntu it's like yep those are LTS's like they're still getting support canonical still supporting like 14 like 1404 or whatever it is like that was that's eight years ago they're still supporting that thing I'm granted the people who are using that are having to pay for that support but whatever you know but the my point was is that when we find these thing not only do more people who look able to look at the cold because that's the thing about open sources you can look at the code and that means people are finding the flaws much easier than they can with a small group of people at Microsoft because those are the only people looking at the code there you know you have an entire community looking at the code finding flaws and when they're found when they find the flaws because they're going to find them because no software is perfect it's almost immediately fixed if it's a huge security vulnerability like almost immediately now it doesn't mean that like there are some KDE bugs that you know have been fixed in 15 years okay they just you know they've been there forever but you know that's just so bugs are going to be there that's true with everything but yeah everything has old shit that just needs to be fixed and they haven't gone back and done it that's true with as far as I know it's it's the same with Windows Linux and even Apple software like just there's shit that needs to be addressed that like everyone agrees need needs to be addressed but just well we haven't gotten around to we just we ain't got time we got too much shit going on which is Katie's problem was like we got other new features to add man exactly they've got 15 every week I mean it's hard to go back and fix shit okay they've got priorities honestly it's just the bottom line I'm happy that Linux is getting more popular I'm still pretty pessimistic on the idea of them ever of Linux actually being like hugely popular in the desktop space like I think like I think 5% of the desktop market is probably the peak and we're not even close like we're not there yet ever and maybe never we'll get there so I'm very I just think that's realistic though I don't think that's very pessimistic that's just realistic alright we would need a massive like Microsoft would have to turn into Linux and then it would become massively popular yeah I'm not going to point out any Linux YouTubers but you'll know who I'm talking about when the Steam Deck was announced there were all there were several Linux YouTubers that just got on there like this is the year of the Linux desktop this is you know this thing is going to make Linux Linux is all of a sudden going to become the most popular operating system and then they proceeded to do a Steam Deck video every day for the last six months I like the Steam Deck I still have mine on order it will get here eventually but I've got mine reserved as well I'm very excited okay but not as excited because you can't hold your breath that long it'll get here eventually hopefully by Christmas it'll be here I'm pretty sure I'm going to get mine around my birthday like and that's few months from now mine originally said mine originally said quarter two mine now says quarter three same yeah so eventually that's eventually like I'm okay with that but my point was it is that it doesn't like valve could sell 30 million steam decks and that'd be considered an amazing success you know they could sell a hundred million steam decks and it would be an amazing success but even then that is not going to budge the needle on the number of Linux installs because well I mean like I think a lot of people have this idea that like people are going to get their Steam Deck and be like the like and think that like the average consumer which I'm not saying the average consumer is like stupid like please no one take that is what I'm saying I'm like what I'm trying to say is the average consumer is not interested in their OS so no average consumer is going to get their Steam Deck go the thing that is on this is so amazing I'm going to install it on my desktop yeah like now they're just going to be like the steam decks awesome and then they're going to play with the Steam Deck their Windows desktop is most likely not going to change as long especially if they don't care about it like they could just go to their Windows desktop and use Chrome just like they always have you know that that's the way most people use their computers and it's depressing because they're they were in the Linux community all of us nerds we take pleasure and installing Gen 2 and breaking Gen 2 you know those types of things like we take pleasure in that right all the nerdy testing we like installing Arch Linux we like even if you are just using Linux because you want to use Linux and you don't care about tweaking and customizing stuff you still have some drive to at least understand how Linux works and you know how your desktop works and stuff like that you know no one's ever used Linux and not known they use Linux you know I mean and this is somebody else installed it for you and then they tricked you into it you know if you that's like the only way you can stumble into using Linux the vast majority like 99% of people install links themselves so they know they're using links if you're regular Joe smell you probably don't know what you're running like my mom doesn't know the difference between Windows 7 Windows 10 she knows she knows she's running Windows but that's only because I've hopped on her trying to get her to switch the Linux so many times that she even knows that there's a difference right so yeah like most people just they they don't know like like we always generalize a little bit too much on like well yes the old people they don't know but no like there's a ton of young people who don't give a rat's ass what operating system they use well and it's kind of obvious to like I mean the guy who like he just wants to watch football like probably doesn't care like if you're just like if you're a massive super like like super mega football fan it's all you care about you love sports and like hunting on the weekends like the idea that like oh you do you not also install gen 2 in your free time like no like I don't I don't expect that guy to and I don't know like the gen 2 exactly exactly like I don't imagine that guy getting a steam deck and being like this is great so like my kids can play games on the road or like whatever and being like I wonder what's on this because I bet it would go great on my computer. That's why I laugh at the Linux YouTubers who actually have a steam deck right now who made videos about how it works so well when you plug it into a monitor and Katie comes up like for those for your for the Linux YouTuber audience that probably is a really good video and really good content right but the average person who bought the steam deck is never plugging that thing into a monitor maybe they'll plug it into a TV. Maybe but here's the cool part the first time a rate like just somebody who like doesn't doesn't know shit about computers or like anything takes their steam deck and it's like a lot as far as I know I can dock it and play games on like the big screen and like plugs it up and it just you get a seemingly regular desktop like and it's just a computer that one is that one is going to be very cool for a lot of people like I can see a lot of people going what the hell is this like this is really cool. Well, I mean there's going to be some people who are going to say well yeah this is really cool but they're going to be the other noobs that are going to plug it in and expect it to be like the switch where when you plug the switch in it just looks like a switch. They have the same interface and stuff like that right and you know it just starts like you plug it in and you never had a switch I want to agree with you but I know for a fact that their desktop does or I want to say I know for a fact but as far as I've been told from someone who has a steam deck like it's pretty obvious how to bring up big picture mode when you hit the desktop. So like if you are like you know like the steam deck version of big picture you know like you get the overlay and everything just like you would have on the steam deck so you can easily go from the desktop back there. But I don't I don't know I can I can definitely see some people being like no what is this I just want my console from the from the video I saw it's like it's not hard like it's there's just there's a everybody knows icons on the desktop probably so just clicking on steam on the desktop you know works just fine. But there's the there's that integration that this this the switch has when you put like you can be playing your game on the switch plug it into its dock and the game comes up on the TV. Yes I don't think that the steam deck is there yet and I think that in my opinion I don't know I think a lot of people would be blown away because like I don't know that I call that integration I just call that like what the switch is like you're not going to dock the switch and have it do anything other than bring up a game or something like you can barely do shit on a switch like as far as I know like it wasn't until recently where you could watch TV on the damn thing. I understand I understand that they're different things right now I understand that they're different things and you understand that they're different things but regular Joel small off the Internet may not understand that they're different things because they're similar. See I disagree with that just because all of the marketing for the steam deck sells it as it's just a computer. Yeah you might be right but I think I don't know maybe I'm maybe I have less faith in the average intelligence of people than you do. I see the terrible says I think I think most people who are going to spend like more than a couple hundred dollars are going to also like do some research into what the product is. I I know there will be that handful of people out there who are like I just I just bought it. I didn't know anything and look it look cool and then we're upset like that it's not just a switch but I don't know I feel like most people are going to be like I'm spending over a couple hundred dollars should probably see what this thing is. Yeah. Anyways I see the terrible says there needs to be better integration with monetary incentive like cryptocurrency bug bounties integrated with the OS and stuff. Man I don't I don't know. I I don't know about cryptocurrency but I do think that the bug bounties work and that's definitely something that the open source community doesn't do well but that's just because there's not I mean like I'm sure canonical and like Red Hat they probably have bug bounty programs but you know like arch links there's no way that they could do that you know regular open source projects not going to be able to do that because they don't there's just not I mean there's not money for that right because there's no big corporate backers those are the only two that we got and well and I mean also like especially when the valve when valve comes in I don't think any crypto currency so you brought it just put out some bad bug bounties and then just give like people like five bucks in their steam account like you know like yeah you go. At least in my opinion I think that would go a lot like I'd look for bugs like I'd be like five ten bucks my steam account like they get like you can buy you you can vampire survivors which is a fantastic game on steam I'm definitely gonna be playing it here before too long just like live streaming it three bucks on steam fantastic. So my the thing is is is if you made the bug bounty too low to the point where anybody thought that they could do it people would be reporting bugs that weren't actually bugs so that would make triaging those bugs you know like because if you made just like it's so like like regular Joe Schmoak could report a bug like and they can but if they thought that they had an incentive to do this often that they thought that they could make some money off from it they'd report things that they just it's them doing something wrong. I mean no it's not it's not gonna be huge thing but it's gonna happen. I agree with you somewhat there but I know for a fact that no matter what you're gonna get false bug reports and quite a few of them whether the bounties five dollars or three hundred and fifty thousand the thing is though is when you've made that when you've made that incentive to report bugs like you and you've made it to the point where it's you know like yeah it's only five bucks but you know it's still going to incentivize more people to look for bugs than would otherwise and I think that that's a good thing but when you incentivize people to report bugs in that way you're also incentivizing the bad stuff too so you're not only when you incentivize that kind of thing you're not going to just get the good bugs you're also going to have to deal with the false reports and the things that aren't actually bugs and people who are just thinking even if you didn't put a dollar amount to it there though people still do with the thing is that without the dollar amount people aren't gonna report bugs because we know that like right now people don't report bugs at all because they have very little incentive to do so exactly so well I mean like if you put it if you put a monetary incentive on it no matter what that monetary incentive is you're going to have influx of bug reports which is like I said a good thing but the good always comes with the bad so there's going to be some kind of like like that's still better than getting no bug reports and I think I agree with that I'm just saying that because the open source community is so small and the developers usually these develop these projects are developed by one or two people right so the more bugs you have come in the more you have to go through. Oh well but that's the thing small we're talking about valve like small projects can't afford to do this. Yeah I was like I was thinking more of the you know overall lost community thing. I don't know um anyways I mean some probably could like I mean you know like bigger projects could definitely afford to do it. Well I mean with your because it's not like you're going to pay out for every bug report with true with your five dollar thing like if somebody had like somebody could raised like $10,000 something that and put like $2,000 of that towards bug bounties there are like five bucks each you know I don't I don't I don't know five bucks is ever going to spawn a lot of stuff so probably wouldn't be a big problem. Anyways Martin says I'm using mine steam deck as a work computer via VPN instead of the horrible Nova crap they give us. That's pretty freaking cool. Thanks for the super chat Martin like Martin you're the exactly the type of person who would use that kind of thing right and I would be the type of person who would use the steam decks at his computer and Tyler would be I'm just not sure that regular Joe Schmoe is that type of person. I think it's more like Tyler is going to be like they're going to stumble into it they're going to connect it to a TV and all of a sudden have Katie blown up into onto an 80 inch screen and realize the first they're going to have to deal with scaling issues because things are going to be really big but also you know they're going to like wait a minute I plug this thing in now I need a mouse and keyboard because it's looks like it's looks like a it looks like Windows for the most part but you know so they're going to assume then that they need a mouse and keyboard because it looks like an operating system even though you could still use the you know the buttons on the deck. I know I think I think and they have a touchpad so like I mean I feel like for the people who stumble into it and realize that they can use as a computer but they're like I just I just want to play a fucking steam game on my TV like yeah just use the touchpad load up steam and then you're like oh okay I'm right back here and then just go on about your day. I don't know I think it might be drawing for some but I don't think the drawing aspect will be enough to where they go I dislike this product. Oh no I don't I I think that once they realize what it is they'll think it's cool but then the initial confusion could cause some I mean it will cause confusion right. No yeah and I guess you're right you like that you never really I don't think when you're giving someone a first impression of anything like and a first impression can go for like any part of a product experience like not just opening the box starting to play with it but docking it if that confuses the shit out of some somebody that's not a good thing that and people are lazy I mean like astonishingly lazy and when they come up against the barrier of any time no matter how easy it is to solve the barrier because in this case we're talking about literally moving the mouse up and clicking on the fucking icon that's all that we are all examples of that we are all this person but everybody is right and people are inherently lazy and that means that when they hit that roadblock at least some percentage of the people who wanted to use their steamback on the TV are just gonna nope right out of it they're gonna go back they're gonna unplug it and they're gonna you know well and even the person who might want to do it if you're in a type of mood where you're just like I'm just kind of done right now I just I just want to do this one thing I'm you're just not in the mood for something and just you hit that confusion point even somebody who would typically go yeah like I'm down to learn about this or figure this out or whatever like see what's going on here might go all right I'm just I'm just done I can't take this like yeah I just wanted to relax like that I definitely understand that like I don't know the steam decks one of those ones where like I think a lot of people had a little bit too much faith and how much it was gonna make Linux popular just because like when you're a fan of Linux like you kind of hope that other people will be like I want to be a fan of Linux too now but when it comes to the steam deck like at the end of the day it's a handheld console and that's what people care about like that's the cool part yeah lint like the fact that it runs Linux is neat for some people like for like for us it's like oh that's fucking cool finally somebody is like using Linux in a big product in a massive product but also like most people are going to be like sounds neat like cool well then there will be some people who have not a lot of knowledge of Linux but maybe they have or maybe they don't have current knowledge of Linux still there maybe they tried Linux back in the 90s and they hear that this thing runs Linux they haven't tried Linux since the 90s they're like oh I don't know man gaming on Linux isn't all that great you know or they go I'm gonna have to check this out cuz like there's no way that they make they're making a gaming console like I used like yeah I've used wine back in the 90s like I did this it didn't work good yeah it's a the steam deck is very it gives hope for a lot of things but also I don't know it makes me very cynical about a lot of people right all right I just think it the steam deck highlights that one day like not only will other manufacturers start using Linux mainly just because of the licensing aspect of it like with pretty much everything else like every other option on the market you're gonna have to do some sort of licensing agreement do well I know I don't even bought the license I mean licensing is part of it but most of its money right well I mean that's that's what I'm talking about licensing costs money right so that um there's one that was just released not too long ago it was like two hundred ninety nine dollars it has windows on it like you know that that company is not making any money off from that whatsoever because Microsoft charges a hundred and ten dollars for a freaking license you know I mean so that means you know it can depend though I know that they get discount by I'm just I'm just saying that they know I'm not even talking about discounts cuz like here's the thing it's kind of just like you know like the Amazon tablets like they can make deals where like essentially like Microsoft won't charge them because they let them add in a whole bunch of extra bits for like their brand partners I guess you know like Candy Crush like all that stuff like if if you allow Microsoft to just load up all of their like sponsorships and like all their band like just promote all of their partners with your install you might not even have to pay for it like there can be a whole bunch of like loopholes in the way that they do business to like make it more feasible but it I don't know at the end of the day you're yeah as a manufacturer you may not have to spend any money on like the licensing aspect of it but your end user is going to get a worse experience like there's there's nothing better than like I think we can all agree on this there's there's nothing better than the experience of loading up a Windows install and seeing TikTok Candy Crush Spotify like Chimp Champ whatever other brand partner that they have that just thrown on like their system like we the thing is that was heavy sarcasm we did that like you can still go out and buy a $200 Windows laptop but you should not do so because there's a really like that company's gonna make their money anyways Swayam I apologize if I mess up your name there says unless desktop distros make money I don't think they will become mainstream mainstream OSes require polish and they should just work and no one is gonna work on the aspect for free that's 100% true also thanks thanks thanks for the super chat and then not the engineer asked if I was talking about the Aeonio error I don't know what it was called I just know it was like $2.99 or something like that and it was really small it looked cool but I was hoping it was run Linux but it didn't it was a Windows thing anyways yeah so I think that we've beat this topic has taken us through many different things so that was really good so moving on to the last section that we do every week so other podcasts have things called like picks of the week or tips of tricks of the week destination Linux has tips tricks and and software picks I think is what they call it cuz they're they're they're rhyming geniuses us not so much we call our thing the thingy of the week so Tyler what is your thingy of the week mine is law cat I most people I would assume have heard of this but if you haven't fantastic if you use terminals a lot play around with law cat pipe shit into law cat it's fun colorizes stuff and I'm just I didn't have a good like idea for what I would want to throw in for the thingy of the week and I just was playing around with law cat I was like well you know what I can I can just throw this in here so if you haven't heard of law cat it colorizes your terminal output kind of gives it like a rainbow effect it's not very functional but definitely fun to play around with so you haven't checked it out it's fun I'm surprised there's not somebody in chat saying bloat bloat bloat of course it is it's not again it's not functional it's fun games or bloat okay but it doesn't mean they aren't fun sometimes okay I agree I just I just thought I thought for sure there'd be something out there now this is bloat why would I ever want to use that all right so my thingy of the week is an app if my thingy of the week is called flat seal and it is a flat pack it's the only way you could get it and the only reason you'd really want it but if you use flat packs one of the coolest features of them is that you can download this thing called flat seal and control the permissions of the flat packs that you have on your system so if you download something like discord and you don't want to have it have access to your home directory for no parent reason you could turn off access to the home directory using flat seal for discord if you've installed discord through flat pack same thing if you don't want to have access to like the camera or the microphone or whatever if you want to try to make discord a little bit more privacy focused you could do so using fast seal but it's just not discord it's also things and literally anything that comes through flat pack you can do this with and it just gives you a really long list of permissions that are for the most part off by default because flat packs are supposed to be sandbox but if for whatever reason you get into an application that doesn't have access to the home directory but you need it to you can use flat seal to give access to the home directory so you can get access to your like your pictures folder or whatever whatever you need to do and like I said flat seal give that permission to that really easy in a gooey interface so it's not hard to you know use or anything it's like it's not like a command line interface or anything like that so it's really good and I install all the time because permissions on flat packs by default are kind of all over the damn place that's mine alright so that is it for this week we are coming up next week I don't know what we're you know honestly I have no 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