 Um, it is my understanding that this is not being live streamed, is that correct? That is correct, Jeanine. It is not being live streamed recording and we will upload to YouTube and Longmont Public Media. Alrighty. Um, as far as a roll call, um, I, I will run through who I have here. Please, if you will say I or here, uh, to confirm that, Sarah, Harry, uh, Susan, Allen, Michelle, pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Um, myself, Jeanine, Karen, I'm here, Jack, here, and, um, Art, Lee, Hannah, here, uh, Michelle, Wade. He's here. He's here. I, and, uh, Marsha Martin, you know, uh, do we have any guests that I'm, I didn't record? I don't think so. Okay. Um, Justin, review a protocol, uh, for any voting. Um, we'll do that by raise of hands, uh, you know, to notify us if you are leaving and re-entering the meeting. Um, alrighty. Public is invited to be heard, but we have no public this morning. Uh, has everyone had the opportunity to review, uh, minutes from last meeting? And if so, are there any corrections? It looks good to me. Okay. Do I hear a motion to accept the meeting? Okay. Um, I did, I did. You did. Sarah. No, no. I moved to accept them. Thank you. Jack seconded. Jack seconded. Thank you. Uh, old business, uh, report for staff regarding accesses, accessing city services, Michelle. Yes. So thank you. Hi everybody. Good morning. Um, so we have put together trainings for the city. The city has a training program called clue, which stands for city of Longmont University. And Brandy in particular has put together a couple of different trainings that we have put through the clue program. Um, most specifically on dementia. And it was part of a county wide effort around being dementia friendly. And so she's had really, I think pretty good response about doing that. Um, we also opened up our Medicare basics classes and our advanced directive classes to city employees and they could get clue credits for those programs. So we have an opportunity to do a customer service sort of approach. And possibly do that maybe in conjunction with our youth services staff that looks at a broader customer service piece to address some of the concerns that I think Susan and others have raised around serving people with who may not be able to hear who may not be so technologically savvy, et cetera. So we're pursuing that as you might guess, some of our training programs right now with the city with the closures and the restrictions. We're not going gangbusters, but we are doing some things. So Brandy and I have talked about that and we're moving that forward. I did add an item under new business that I think might give us some more information. And I'm curious to have that discussion before Brandy and I move this any further. So one of the questions we have is, is this an appropriate training provided that we can get it through the clue approval process that any of you would also like to be a part of as a trainer, like co-train with Brandy. So that's kind of the question to the board about how we move forward with this. And Michelle, would you explain what the clue approval is? The clue. So there is actually a board of regents of made up of city employees and you can propose a training class and that board decides whether or not it's appropriate or not. So there is an approval process. And it's made up of city employees. Thank you. You bet. Michelle, what does that volunteering for TAIL actually? You know, Jeanine, it's a great question. I think Brandy has a pretty good handle on the format for a class, but I think it would be co-presenting and being available for questions and any follow-up that attendees may want to ask about. I think it helps to have an older adult be a part of a training and serving older adults. That's sort of my thinking on that. So if it's co-posting and being available for questions and feedback, I would be interested. Okay. Great. Thank you. Susan, I'm going to have Brandy catch up with you, okay? Is that all right? It would depend on schedules and electronic stuff, but I mean, like, that's a big interest of mine. Right. I think it's got some great potential. Sounds good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, great. Any other thoughts? When we get to the item under new business, I think it will have some fun with this. Okay. Next on the agenda is comments regarding sustainability. First of all, did everybody get the handouts, the packet? I did. It was quite lengthy. Jack, I don't know if you want to do a kind of a summary opening or what you need from the board with regard to that. And Marsha, I know you've also been very involved in the sustainability and some of the climate action work. But if there is some specific feedback that would be helpful from the board, now's your time. Well, most of the meetings, can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Most of the meetings are pretty lengthy. You know, cock full of information, but maybe I'll try to summarize what's important. And maybe we give you one page. Is that fair? Works for me. I think what's what's most important is if there's something coming, something the board needs to know about some input from the board regarding sustainability and the cities work in this area. This is a great opportunity to use the board for some feedback. Okay. Try to do that for next meeting. Okay. Marsha, do you have any, you know, updates at least from your perspective and your involvement? Well, you know, I, I am not able to go to the sustainability board meetings, even though I would just as a member of the public, because I have a conflict with the board meeting that I really am the liaison to. So I don't get to know what they are thinking. I'm thinking that I'm going to play hooky at the next LDDA board meeting and and go to the sustainability board. Just because I was puzzled by some of their responses to the action task force recommendations, they seem to be the most conservative of all the review boards in terms of what they thought could be done, which I found surprising. I, I understand the necessity for maintaining social equity as we go through big changes like this. But it wouldn't be an emergency if we didn't, if we allowed the social equity requirements to stop things from happening, they need to change the way they are implemented, but they shouldn't be a barrier. And I feel like we maybe could have some input into that, you know, in terms of, let's look at this in terms of enabling communities with special needs, rather than assuming that special needs are a roadblock. So that's that's my general feeling about it, but I don't have any specific examples. All right, any feedback from what you read of the materials that were sent to you that you want to offer to Jack right now. Anybody else. I mean to be honest that one that was a huge packet of information, and I did not review it before the meeting today so I don't have input for that reason I whenever they produce things they do produce it in large volumes and so sometimes for me getting through it and completely understanding it can sometimes be a challenge so I'm just being honest about that. I understand it's a challenge for me also. We're really glad you're going to those meetings Jack. But good news. This past meeting. We had some difficulties and I did not go to the meeting. And I have not received the, the notes, but the, there was another meeting that took place for the state and it has to do with greenhouse gases pollution reduction road map. There's only a few notes so when my time comes I could discuss what was taking place. But the state does pre and local thing so I think it's important to think about what the state has to say about sustainability, because that's where the money comes from. And that's where the political cloud comes from. So that's something to consider. Thank you. Anyone have any other comments regarding that. Moving on to on old business to other does anyone else have any other old business. Sarah. I'm not sure this fits in this point in the agenda. Tell me, I had a few things I wanted to mention about the current state of the census. Do that now. Sure. Okay. As of the end of August. Colorado return. Status is that 68.3% of households have responded. So we are at least 10% percentage points ahead of Wyoming and Montana, which are the other two states in our region. So we're doing pretty well. I wanted to encourage you, if there is anybody among your acquaintance who you feel has not responded or might not have responded, please urge them to do so. The collection of data for the general census will end on the on September 30. There's just this month left. The Census Bureau's outreach people, they call mobile assistance. Are going around to locations like groceries, library. district that might be open for in person and then so forth. There's also available to 501 C three organizations. 1000 $1,000 grants. This month the applications must be submitted by September 15. Specifically, do outreach in rural areas. I don't think that we count. Anybody from long not would be likely to apply now for one of those Instagrams to do outreach but if you know of somebody that might please ask for further information about that or recommend to them that they apply. And there's one other thing that I wanted to mention, according to the Census Bureau's update. In person visits or at homes, where they've had no response are going on now. It is possible that you will get an in person visit. Even though you've already responded online or by phone or mail, otherwise. And they don't want people to be upset about that possibility if somebody comes knocking on your door. Well, this had not occurred to me that the most frequent reason for those visits would be that there was some discrepancy in the address that what you reported. When you responded to the questionnaire was a different address than what they had on their records from post post office. Local government authorities and so forth and all of the sources that they use before the count, though which places they should be counting, and they have to resolve that discrepancy so I guess the word is, please be nice to the person who might knock on your door and understand why they might need to ask you a few more questions. Yeah, they do quality assurance check. I don't know what percentage of the home visits are for that purpose. For those two reasons you might, you know, somebody calling at your door and in my case, right in the doorbell, I would be so shocked because it hasn't been wrong. We're once or twice since March so anyway, any questions about that. Sarah, do you think that we should put something in one of our regular emails that's coming out and and both the Spanish and the English emails and should we emphasize that the the doorknock piece or should we emphasize you can still call in what do you think the emphasis should be I guess is really my question. I think it would be great to do that. And I think the major emphasis is do it this month do it as of September 30. The time is up. Okay. And you might just say that there are some special. Well, I don't know how to. We might just say if you have already responded. There might be some question that the Census Bureau has about your address. And that might cause them to send a person to your door to try to clarify that problem. So in addition to getting folks who haven't completed the census, somebody might knock on your door with follow up questions. Yeah, something like that. But it would not be very common, but don't be. I worry about opening the door there for scammers, you know, yeah. It might be better just to encourage people to respond. And I can check with Carmen and Aaron to see if they've got something ready to go about that. But really what you want to emphasize is the September 30th deadline. Okay. Okay. All right. I can do that. Sarah question I have is, I mean, I know good and well, we'd love to have 100% on this, but is 86% a fairly good number compared to the past or wherever you add on that. Actually, it's 68. Oh, I thought I heard 86. I'm sorry. I was really excited. I don't know the specific numbers, but my impression is that given the difficulties with the lockdown and so forth, that 68 is pretty good, especially compared to other states in our region. Okay. Well, I was like I said, I thought I heard 86. I said, wow, that's great. Well, not quite that great. All right. Thank you. That was all but I think it's an excellent idea to put a reminder in this letter. Thank you very much, Sarah. Janine did something change your voice is very garbled. I didn't change anything. I'm going to need you and then back on. Is that any better? No. Maybe she should leave the meeting and come back in. Janine, why don't you try maybe leaving the meeting and coming back in or alternatively if you have a pair of headphones maybe that you could plug in. Very strange that it was working and then not working all of a sudden. Yeah. All right. I will leave the meeting then. Come back. Yeah, you have a little Darth Vader going on there, Janine. Well. Okay, bye. We'll see you in a minute. Isn't technology fun? No. It is not fun. I should have written on this top. I had an old laptop at home that I was it says it was a city laptop that I was using, but it had no microphone or camera capabilities and it could not. All of the meetings I was participating in from home. I had to use the chat function to give any input. And I know that some of my colleagues really appreciated that because it muted me to some degree. But, but Robin got me a new camera and now now I don't have that anymore so I get to fully participate. Janine, you're back. Am I back? Can you hear me now? Yes. No more Darth Vader. Well, I'll tell you what my cat walked by. I don't know. Maybe she has some bad karma this morning. All righty. I'm doing this. We can't see you Janine. Huh? Your camera's not hooked up. Oh, well. I want to see you. You want to see me? Yay. Okay. Um, October agenda item proposal. So this has my name on it, but Sarah, you might be able to lend some input here. Carrie Middleton works for Boulder County area, area agency on aging. And I understand she did a session with the county aging advisory committee on ageism, changing the narrative. And she is available. If that is something this board would like her to come and present and participate. It is about an hour and a half. Uh, commitment. So it would be the majority of your October or other board meeting. Should you decide to do that? Um, so Sarah, why don't you jump in and talk about your experience and what you think. Okay. Um, I think it might be very good. Um, we're in the middle of a three part. Uh, discussion of this issue at the area aging council. Um, Friday is our next meeting and this will be stage two of the discussion. And there were some things that, um, the earlier discussion and the, um, the preview of the meeting on Friday that I was going to share on my report. But, um, that I would like to read which might give you some food for thought about whether it would be a good idea to do this. And she sent out, um, as part of a packet for our Friday meeting, uh, about four or five different without comment, things that she wanted us to take a look at and, um, hope they might trigger some thoughts. So, um, most of those were greeting cards that are offensive to older people. And actually the ones that she sent were not nearly as bad as many of the ones that you see at the supermarket. But anyway, this is just a brief statement. And I'd like to just read it and then get response. See what you think about this. I don't know anything about it other than this brief statement. Would you know, Colorado state budget pays for essential services like education, public safety, and our transportation system that define our daily quality of life. Unfortunately, our aging population and a series of amendments, which we've made to our constitution over the last several decades have created a fiscal conflict within our state budget. That's eroding our ability to sustain that quality of life. Unquote. Any comments? I have a comment. I think right now, um, our state, uh, our communities, uh, all of us are experiencing so many challenges in so many ways that, um, you know, diving into this kind of endeavor at this particular point in time, um, is probably something that I wouldn't do. I would really put it on the back burner because, you know, I'm thinking about day to day living challenges. Um, and that's just my opinion. For me, it's not a priority right, right this minute right now. Well, let me tell you what I took from this little statement. What I think the point was, um, the second sentence says, unfortunately, our aging population and then constitutional amendments have created a fiscal conflict. And it sounds to me like whoever, um, said this and I'd be willing to bet a lot of money. Um, that was the legislator, um, is saying that, you know, blame it on our aging population. The fact that they're making it hard. We are making it hard for maintenance of a good quality of life. So I think the point was that. It's not necessarily the annoying, ostensible things like offensive greeting cards and, um, other things that indicate disrespect to older people. Um, but a lot of our assumptions about what government should be doing or not doing, um, include an assumption that America, that in our society right now, older people are getting, um, more than their share or that they are causing problems rather than contributing to the overall good. So I think that although the first installment of our, um, discussion at the triple or AC was somewhat superficial. The second one coming up, I think it's going to dive into more of these subtle ways that aging population is not included as a positive part of our society. I'm sorry that, you know, that this has come up during the middle of our discussion because I might be able to worry about that. My phone is ringing. Ignore it. Um, I might be able after Friday to give you more information about what she would present. So I think, you know, go ahead, Marcia. No, go ahead, Michelle. You do you first. I think to Janine's point, you know, as we look at things like racism, racism in the moment versus systemic racism, um, I think that, that ageism, um, is also that, um, it is also in the moment when I hear somebody talk about that darn senior, which is a phrase I just can't abide. Um, and then the policies and the things that become more systemic that are ageist, it's both and, and I, I am curious that carries approach to changing the narrative around racism. And what is that? And arena round is ageism. Um, and what does that mean? Um, and I heard it had good response at the AAC. I don't know where it goes other than I feel like it needed a beginning. Um, and it may influence what we do in terms of our customer service approach and some of the things, how we present the Longmont Senior Center. One of the things that, um, now clearly after seven months is, um, we're going to have to reposition the Longmont Senior Center. We're going to have to reposition us, um, and what we do. And is there an opportunity in this sort of, uh, a rebirth or a reopening or, uh, repositioning that this information might help us really look at and do something better. Um, and different. So, uh, I, I appreciate there's a lot going on in the world right now. Um, and we're all sort of being asked to look inward and outward in terms of our relationship to what's going on in the world. Um, so I, I appreciate Sarah, your, your example of the cards versus policy. Um, because it is, it is both and in lots in between, uh, for sure. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um that we should not be pumping people together as old people or as specific religious or racial or ethnic group or any other group, subgroup within our society, as being the important distinction about that person. And so, you know, it could be we should have a broader discussion that would include ageism, but other things, that's what I wanted to comment. I think that's true. The thing that I wanted to say was it's important not to first throw the baby out with the bath water because the statement about the fiscal constraints we're under is true and what the last legislature did to try to mitigate it was put a Gallagher amendment repeal on the ballot, which would allow the state to more realistically balance the value of the different assets that the state has in terms of private property because right now, you know, the real value of our residential property has exceeded the real value of our or has proportionately increased in respect with respect to the real value of our industrial property and that has distorted our tax base in a way that's very difficult for makes it difficult for government to operate. But the other part of it is that that as a legislature would tend to do focuses on the liability of the aged in terms of there is a segment like in any other segment that is in demographic segment that's needy and there's a segment that has special needs, which is true of every demographic segment, but they're ignoring the asset and you know what but we have found in Longmont since older adults have been less visible in the community than before because of quarantining themselves or self-isolation is that we can't get along without us. You know, I mean, we're big volunteers, we're big donors because we've most of us have achieved financial security and are in a phase of life where we're considering giving back. And I think it is important to emphasize that in any messaging about this demographic. I think that that is one major point of what Kerry is trying to do in her reframing exercise is try to emphasize the positive role of older people in our society and also to make it clear that might not be an older person today, but if you're lucky, you will be for all future and that we're all in this together is one of the important points to remember. It might be that October and I guess I'm thinking about right before the election might not be the most fruitful time to take on a philosophical discussion like that. I think that it's one that in the future we should have. Jack, you were going to say something? Yes, I was. There's an overriding factor to everything we're saying. COVID has put a lot of people out of work, several million. So that means monies from taxes are not flowing into the central budget of the federal government. And those monies are distributed down through states, counties and cities. And unfortunately, those monies are becoming less and less as COVID gets worse and worse. And there is a political aspect to some of this, but I don't want to discuss the political part. And I think we have to think about the future traveling in the service all over. I think we have a great senior center. I'm not saying that because you're present. It happens to be a fact. And we're fortunate as a senior reaching my 80th birthday. I always thought I was really young, but that's not true anymore. But the point is that's going to be an overriding factor with what we can do. Because your budget at the senior center is going to depend upon monies coming down through the city via the state, via the county. And unfortunately, some of those monies might be less and less as time goes on, unless we find a vaccine to do away with COVID. And I just feel this is always an overriding factor for the near future bothers me, but there's not much I can do about it. I have something I think is important to share at this point. I had an appointment actually with my physician and was discussing COVID vaccine and how that's going to be dispensed and priority and so forth. He shared with me and he is very active with public health organizations that seniors should probably be aware of the fact that although they are at highest risk, that they may not necessarily be the priority group to receive vaccine first. And I was kind of shocked and taken aback by that. But I do think that that is an older adult issue that is really very acute right now. And probably gets my focus, you know, maybe more than parts. So, you know, perhaps that's something everyone can be thinking about and looking at is there anything that we need to do ahead of time or any statements we need to be making or, you know, do we pursue anything in and around that particular issue. That's it. May I make one more reference to Terry's material. And this is part of the PowerPoint that was sent out to us in advance of Friday's meeting. This is the slide called reframing vulnerability. And instead of talking about seniors as needy or victims of whatever policy you're talking about that. Reframing would be emphasizing interconnectedness and our responsibilities to each other regardless of age or specific situation that the individual has. And you suggest that we avoid labels that suggest weakness or separation from society and the first example in the PowerPoint is reframing language about COVID-19. Instead of talking about, you know, the society is a whole sacrificing for people who really need it. That is older people or people in nursing homes of some other assumed to be weak part of the population that we explain how we can prepare for everyone's health situation and talk about the reality of the virus for everybody. And while we all stay home today, we see fewer new cases tomorrow. By keeping our physical distance, we slow the spread. This protects those who are most at risk and the availability of the life saving health care we all depend on. In other words, not by pointing out that those old folks in nursing homes that we're responsible to take care of and sacrifice for. Anyway, my temperature read on this subject is that it does generate a lot of conversation and difference of thought, which is wonderful, but perhaps not October. So for not October, is that if you would nod your head yes or a thumbs up, not October. Okay. Do you want this presentation and this conversation sometime in the future? Yes, but not October. Okay. All right. So Sarah, maybe you and I can talk offline. I can talk to Carrie and we'll see what what makes sense. But I make one more comment about my my thought that we should try to integrate this discussion about ageism into a broader topic of how to treat everybody in our society more fairly and with and give everybody more dignity. I got questionnaire survey from my political party and use me Jack is going to mention politics. And I'll not mention the party but I think everybody knows where I am. And they wanted me to list. You know, there were seven or so six or seven different concerns about, you know, what should be done to make our country better. And this was sent about it yesterday. Yeah, Monday, I think racism was not in that list. I have been. Well, first I was angry and I was astounded and I, you know, how can a major political party in my, my very own which I love, you know, be thinking about gee what do we need to do to make our country better. On the first of September and not even include that in the list of choices about your concern. So, I think it is essential for us to be talking as a anytime we can get together with a group of our fellow persons. Taking into account, you know what's happening to the society in terms of how we treat other people and how other people treat us. And whatever subgroup may belong to. That's, that's why I think the discussion is really important. Thank you. Thank you for letting me rant. It's been quite interesting for me because I turned 60 last year. And I don't have much gray hair, but I certainly have acquired quite a bit in the last five months, let me tell you, but how many people seem surprised at my age and I am quite, I'm really, really okay with saying I'm, I'm an older adult now I'm 60 and I'm kind of excited about that, you know. And how many people are like, Oh, no, no, you can't be and it is, it is offensive in a different way. Like, I don't know. I can't explain it ages. I agree. I'll be 70 in a year. And people say, Oh my gosh, you don't look 70. It's like ageism comes in lots of different ways. And, and so like, I see gray hair, white hair, I'm ready for it, you know, I see my mom her and, but anyways, it's interesting. It's interesting how it plays out. I will talk to Carrie, I will put this further out. And I appreciate the conversation today. And I think this is a conversation that's going to keep happening and now at a national level, certainly the isms are going to continue to get addressed. Hopefully, that'd be my wish, all of them. Okay. Does anyone have anything else that they would like to share on this subject. Moving on, we need to discuss reopening, identifying concerns restrictions. Um, so here's kind of where we're at public health is now you have in addition to doing a proposal to our city manager and and my boss Karen. We also have to do a proposal to Boulder County Public Health, and they will do a walkthrough of the senior center. Generally speaking, this is where I'm headed, which is a possible November 2nd opening possible with registered activities only. So we might do, for example, a drop in shuffleboard. But there would only be four people who could come and play and they would have to sign up ahead of time. So they would have to register for a drop in activity. Or it could be a film that the staff have planned and you still have to register and the chairs would be six feet apart, that kind of thing. So we're looking at opening from nine to three as a possibility or nine to four something along those lines. We can only be using the gym and rooms, D and E for activities. We are continuing to do the one on one with staff and customers for basic needs. This would be wellness recreational educational kinds of activities. The wheels on wheels is going to continue to do home delivered only at least through the end of the year. And so the dining room would be off limits. We would restrict access to the dining room and the commercial kitchen for sure. If we if we opened in November, we would have health checks, we would have people come in through the front door. We would have a direct temperature check, direct people to the room they're registered for, and we would have everyone exit out the East entrance. We would not serve coffee or refreshments for anything, but people would certainly be allowed to bring their own water bottles. And then a snack, which is especially important if you have something like diabetes or, or another health issue that you really, you really do need to have some food sustenance. Quick question, are our water fountains down like they are every other place. Yes. Okay. We could fill a water bottle in the little kitchen, but the water fountains will be out of commission. So that's kind of a general approach we're taking in our proposal, which we have not submitted yet, but it does include regular sanitizing of before and after every activity. So we have to make sure that we have staff and custodial staff available to do that. We are not looking at opening up Lashley Street Station. This is really about the senior center reopening the senior center for some activities. The go the fall go is getting ready. We're in the last edits now. And all of the programs are going to be virtual. We're going to do some hybrid activities in November. We will do that part virtual and part in person. So this is the beginning. We are still safer at home because the majority of the folks who come here are over 65 public health may say, yeah, no, you're not opening November 2. Do you know of any senior centers in Colorado that have opened? Yes. Yes. And in Boulder County, Lafayette senior center is doing some activities, some activities, pardon me. But Boulder is not open yet. Lewisville is not open yet, though they are also writing some reopening plans. Brighton is not open. I just got their newsletter today. They are not opening at all. Michelle, I've been thinking contemplating, you know, about what I can, what I can do to help. And I'm wondering if volunteering to help with sanitizing or greeting people or taking temperatures if extra staff is needed that I am certainly available to volunteer. And to help in that area. And I'm wondering if volunteerism at the senior center would even be considered. Yeah, and that's a great point and something I could weave in and at least, you know, have a conversation with public health and with the city leadership about that. Thank you for saying that. Jack, did you have something? Yes. Michelle or the sports like shuffleboard and the films are each person going to have like a number of things going to be staggered so everyone gets an equal shot at playing shuffleboard or coming to see a film. So Robin has worked out within our current registration system and it would be at this point first come first serve but we could do that. So I have a couple of questions. One is, what is the, do you look at it from like the maximum number of people who would be in the building and then that's kind of how you're coordinating. Or, yeah, anyway, that's one and then the other is prioritizing like I think with all the isolation that people have been enduring, you know, what are the highest return kind of activities that, you know, you guys could initiate or open up early on that would maximize, you know, the minimal number of activities that would maximize, you know, the kind of getting people back on track. Great, great, great point. So one of the things is we would not do activities like cards, which are about sharing the face cards. We would try to pick activities that there was no sharing. We have talked about picking a mix of activities. So a shuffleboard versus a film versus exercise so we have some variety of things, but probably we are doing two things in the morning and two things in the afternoon and that's it. That's what I was curious about. Yeah, we have to really use the bigger spaces, the gym and the and rooms Danny. Lafayette is doing one activity in the morning and one activity in the afternoon. And the cleaning is a part of the disinfecting and cleaning is a part of that. We think we could do to because in rooms Danny you can come in the D door and exit out the E door you don't even have to go in the lobby. So it does have either staff or to Janine's point of volunteer who has to be willing to take charge. So right now we are softball players are playing softball, but the league get canceled. So they are responsible for managing themselves in a socially distant and and risk minimizing way, but we are doing golf at the golf courses, Megan and Larry or Carrie are there. One of them every Friday, they're checking people out there making sure folks are socially distancing. I mean it's all of that it's it's fairly staff intensive. And we probably can't do a lot of activities because of that. And the fact that meals on wheels were going to have to really restrict that if if meals on wheels were to open right now. We would have to commit to cleaning the restrooms every 30 minutes, which means we would keep a custodian in the bathroom all day. I mean, it takes 30 minutes to clean and then you'd be doing it again and then you'd be doing it again. It'd be very, very challenging to do anything else. So with those two, I mean just given the physical space constraints, is it like 15 people in the building is it 30 people at a given time in the morning in the afternoon between two activities or So we are still under as employees as an organization at 50%. Our city manager wants us organizationally to be 50% or teleworking 50% here. That doesn't mean that I can only have 50% of my staff here. That's an organizational wide figure, but we're trying to keep to about 50% in the building of staff. The other challenge with the number of people in the building, Michelle is that now employees who have children are needing to be home with their kids. And so we're trying to work around some of those employees schedule conflicts as well. So there is a space calculator that the governor's office put out. It is fluctuates between six feet of social distance to 12 feet, almost, and you have to allow for people to walk in and take a seat, get up and go to the bathroom or get up and leave, and not be more than six feet with somebody. So really and truly the gym or D&E are really our only two spaces that we could even do that with. And you really have to tell people when you come in go to the farthest chair, unless you're a regular bathroom user, then you need to sit by this chair so you can get up and go and come back. It's going to be managing all of that. Yeah. Michelle does the gym and those two rooms, meeting rooms have, you know, access to outside ventilation. Do they have windows or doors that can be open so that people aren't in a closed space. So the rooms, the gym and D&E both have an outside door. D&E has windows that can open, but the entire building has a fresh air system that pulls air in. I was on a phone call earlier this week and they are very much discouraging fans inside long term care facilities. So we would not be doing that, but we do have fresh air that comes into the building. Okay. So, yeah, Sarah. In terms of planning the programs after opening, whatever, is there a consideration being given to the content to dealing with or helping people deal with the mental health problems of isolation? I would have this visual while you were talking earlier about would our reopening without talking about how you can safely interact with other people and how you should still avoid it. Are we encouraging anyway our clientele to act like college kids and go bananas? No. Opportunity to socialize. I just think that on the one hand, isolation does create a very serious emotional problems and the longer we go, I think they're getting worse. And we should help people figure out how to deal with that without encouraging them to take unsafe risks. Exactly. So there would be a health check at the door. There would be those rules around wearing a mask, staying six feet, hand washing. We have a hand washing station in the lobby and we have hand sanitizer in three different locations, automatic hand sanitizers. So I think that it would not be the college frat party. It would definitely be mindfulness and we would be limiting things, the numbers of people. It's a dilemma, for sure. Jack. Yeah, is massing going to be mandatory? Yes. And asking? Yes. Another question I want to present to you is that there's been a study in northern Italy where this COVID by right can attach to air particles and travel long distances and thinking about our fires. I would kind of keep those windows to a minimum as far as opening them. Just a consideration. Since you do have an air intake system. Right. We do have an air intake system, which not all buildings do, but we do. Right. Other thoughts? Do you want to tell me don't reopen? Don't even think about it till January? I mean, I'm curious if what your thoughts are about this. Susan. I want you to reopen as planned, gradually, mass distance, you know, showing people where to sit, doing the health checks, but at least that would give us some experience and hopefully give people like a hope that life will return to normal. And some contact to see people and interact, even though we have restrictions, it's better than sitting in a Zoom meeting, for instance. So, along with Janine, I would be willing to help out staff escort people in or direct them or whatever you decide you need for an hour or two here or there and, you know, count me in. I would also be happy to volunteer in a capacity like that. I do need to share, Michelle, that I am very torn. I have mixed feelings. And it isn't a whole lot different than, you know, the conversation about opening up schools that we've never experienced this before. And so, you know, whatever we do we have to do cautiously with the understanding that we may need to backtrack. Right. You know, I guess that causes me to have a little bit of, you know, concern about opening versus not opening. And for some people, certainly the emotional aspects of being isolated have been far more challenging than others. But I can't say that we have to do that. You know, one of the concerns and factors for me about using November is, you know, I don't know, I don't know if it's going to be a good idea to do that, but I think it's going to be a good idea to do that. You know, one of the concerns and factors for me about using November is, you know, I don't know where you all live, but certainly here in Old Town, Thompson Park is packed in that as people enjoy the shade. And people are social distancing and people are wearing masks and being very mindful. Roosevelt Park, people are using to set out. I think come November, those options, you know, get frozen out. And so watching people being mindful would be, I think that we can do this in a way that we can continue to practice what we've learned and what we're told works, which is masks and social distancing and regular hand washing. And if we can promote that, then the folks who have been finding ways to take advantage of the outdoors and the fresh air and whatnot, that we could safely provide some options for people. Not for everyone, clearly, but we will continue to do the virtual programs, but hopefully we can throw in some mix of things. Art, you've been very quiet today. Do you have any thoughts? Are we about this? Well, just want to let you know, I had some prostate cancer last week, so I'm still under the weather just a little bit, but I'm doing well, doing very well. But, you know, I'm one of these individuals that is extremely cautious, and maybe it was the surgery, I don't know, that got me to that point. But, you know, I know for a fact that there are so many people and that are just lonely, especially if they live alone. It's really difficult for them to get out and they have family members that are continuing to come in maybe to say hello and stuff like this without. How do I want to put it? I don't know that some of the younger people are quite as cautious as we are on doing these things. So, again, I think as long as we follow the format that you're talking about being very careful, the one thing that I would sure like is that I understand the first come, first serve. And I think Jack might have looked through this a little bit, but, you know, if a person's come in this week already and you have a list, obviously, I'm sure you'll be looking at giving everybody that opportunity, rather than one person hogging that kind of a situation, but I mean, I'm not in a hurry to open, but by the same token, I have a wife here at home who I can communicate with and there's things like this, but I also have a sister-in-law in Denver who actually had the COVID and was quarantined for 14 days and she was going crazy. I mean, she used to call my sister on my wife crying because she couldn't stand the idea of being alone. So that's just a thing I'm saying is that we try, you know, we try to first of all encourage those who are extremely lonely that are living alone to get involved and again make sure that we provide opportunities for they can get in here. Well, I don't know, once a week at least if they're wanting to do that is what I'm looking at. Thank you and thanks for just kind of reconfirming Jack's point about how and who gets to participate. I appreciate that and the best to you as you heal, sir. Thank you. But I don't know, thank you. How about Susan, then Jack, then Sarah. How's that? Okay, Susan. So if it's first come, first serve, I would like to somehow incorporate putting people at the bottom of the list who signed up and then never show up. I mean, that's been a problem right along. You know, you have waiting lists, people don't say, well, I can't make it so that others can, you know, avail themself of services. That's like a constant problem highlighted by this where restrictions are greater. Yeah, great point. Thanks. Jack. Yeah, the Boulder County Aging Office has a program where you could call the elderly if you apply for this program. It works out well and I think Jewish Family Services down in Boulder has the same program and I know I'm starting it soon. And I think that is helpful. It's nice to call people. But you know, I think all of this is dependent upon what the virus does in late October. Right. Absolutely. Yeah, Sarah. I'd just like to add my vote for having a system to be sure that everybody gets a fair chance at accessing some of the on-bite programs. And if that means that individuals are limited to one shot a week or whatever, whatever, whatever is a fair distribution of access. And I also, I'm assuming that we have a contact tracing system set up or that will be part of the program, but we haven't mentioned that. And I think we really need a state of the art way that should, you know, in spite of all the protections and restrictions, as soon as we find out there's been some exposure, what do we do about contacting people? Yes. Thank you. The registration system would serve for that purpose, but I didn't call it out that way and I will do that. Thanks. Thank you all for your input. You know, it is still an if, if, if, if. So that's kind of where we're headed. So thank you. I would like to move on to reports. Marsha, any, any reports from City Council? I think that we should probably acknowledge last night anybody not watched Council last night probably everybody didn't watch Council last night. Youngmont Housing Authority, as I think you all know, has fallen on hard times and the city is in the process of rescuing it and, and Michelle, our own Michelle late is one of the rescuers. And I was actually almost surprised to see you here at this meeting, Michelle, because it sounds like a massive undertaking that's, that's going on, but we're doing very important work of keeping what 600 800 seniors off the streets. How many is it Michelle? Well, there, there are seven, six senior buildings and they're at about 100 each. So you're pretty close, plus the other buildings also have older adults. Yes. Okay, so a lot of people who don't have a lot of resources deeply impacted by this. Michelle, a long presentation last night about the progress of the reorganization. And it all looks plausible to me. The new sharing of resources looks like a lot of money will be saved in the process. There were many inefficiencies in the, you know, 1960s HUD mandated old organization. I'm very encouraged by that. And I think that the Longmont, the city of Longmont is very privileged to have people on its staff like Michelle, like Harold Dominguez, like Karen and Kathy, who have the skill set to do this because, because running a housing authority is is a very specialized skill. I think everybody needs a homework assignment, which is to tell all your friends that that the city's rescue operation is is being done by local heroes and that is a wonderful thing. Because I'm getting a lot of stupid emails that say, Well, why don't you just hire a property manager, we don't want to pay for Harold Dominguez to be working on it to be running the housing authority, he's supposed to be running the city. And, you know, that's just so wrong. I don't even know how to charge them in terms of their lifetime mistakes accounts, you know, because, because it is a very specialized thing. And Michelle, you're ducking your head. Are you are you hating to be praised? I tell you what, I am, I am learning a lot. And the, you know, the LHA staff that are still here are teaching me a lot. There are some amazing folks who are completely committed to affordable housing, it's a good partnership. And, and I'm not sure I'm so so skilled in the whole housing authority rules and rags, but I feel like I know people and I know good folks and we have that right now and I think it's a good, it's a good place. And, and really, Michelle, that's your role, isn't it into making is making sure that the, that the people who live there and aren't sure what's going to happen to them are okay and keeping the communities intact and so on. That's, that's definitely a part of it. And the other is to really support the existing community managers who have not had the tools and the resources and the support I think to do all that they want to do. So it's a good partnership. And I really, I applaud the city council for, for making this move at the end of May and giving Harold the permission and direction to do this. I think it's a good, it's a really good partnership. Yeah. Yeah. So I would, as a personal answer of emails to council. I would really appreciate everybody talking to their friends and saying what an appropriate and special endeavor this is, and that it isn't something to complain about it's really people stepping up when there's a need. Um, yeah, that's all I have to say about it. Would be, would it be appropriate. I thought it was muted. Would it be appropriate for us as a board to pass a resolution saying that we feel that this is a good development and a proper use of city staff. I think so. What do you think Michelle and Michelle and Jeanine like the idea of supporting what you're doing and making a statement about that, both, you know, to the city council itself and maybe even, you know, to the newspaper. Yeah, do a press release. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm comfortable with contacting the press, you know, maybe having something like that, maybe having an article about what you're doing and why you've done it and the successes might take away some of that question mark for people in the community. So I would rather not be the focus of that. I think if you as a board want to support city councils direction with Longmont Housing Authority, especially in recognition of the number of properties that they own that are geared for older adults. Sure. But I don't, I think it's really important not to single out any one staff person or any one thing. This is something that council agreed to do and Harold is leading in terms of the city staff and then the LHA staff are also a very much a key part of this so I would not, I would not want to be singled out in any way shape or form. I'd never do that. Okay. All right, do we need to make a motion for that. I think we do. And I would welcome suggestions about how to word, that's a resolution so somebody put some thought into that and I just like to point out that in terms of the staffs, both staffs, it's a ripple effect, you know, that when, when the leadership steps up, then the people who work for the leadership steps up and, you know, there's probably very few people that are not touched in some way, whether it's, you know, just I mean people outdoor working have to take the initiative more because their bosses is supporting somebody else and so it is really the entire city that's making an effort and the, you know, and the LHA staff and the two boards, everybody has, has, is contributing something extra in this, in this effort so I, I just want to make sure that that's in there. Does anyone have any suggestions for Sarah in terms of wording? I'm not good at that, frankly, for I give my input Sarah. Well, I've gotten some ideas from the last two folks who commented there, but it's hard to do this on a fly can, can, can we do emails or is that a sunshine law violation? Somebody write a draft. I think you can't, you can't vote through emails. Right. But I think it can be simple. If what you're saying Sarah is that you support the direction City Council has laid out with the relationship between the City of Longmont and Longmont Housing Authority, it can be as simple as that, that you support this direction and recognize that it's, that it has some positive support for the older adults who live in those communities. It can be very simple. And apparently cost saving. Apparently what? Cost saving. And end with thank you. Well, can I make a motion that the senior advisory board acknowledge the community and council for work that they have done with Longmont Housing Authority? I think that's fine. And then the board can choose to second and vote and see where that goes. Okay. Do I hear a second? I second that. All those in favor signify by raising their hand please. Any opposed? And Sarah, can we have you put that together for us? Yes. And before we submit it to the council, I'll be sure that everybody gets a copy of the wording and then say, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, you can't vote, but there's, but there's no harm in seeing it in advance. Okay. I'd like to move on to any reports, Sarah, any further reporting from the AAC. Clearly the reframing project is taking quite a bit of our time and energy. But also this Friday's meeting will include a panel discussion on housing issues with representatives from Longmont from Boulder County. And I think, although I don't have that right before me. There are several other government entities that are involved with senior population and housing issues. So Sarah, who's going to do that from Longmont? Just out of curiosity? Well, I will have to go out of Zoom and look at the email to give you that name. I can't tell you right off hand. I'm curious about that. If you can send me that. Thank you. Also, the last meeting was devoted in part to report on the budget situation because the area aging council has a technical review committee that does all the nuts and bolts work on reviewing applications for funding. Making recommendations to commissioners about what things should be funded and also monitoring clients without grantees. Well, that's an important thing. The fiscal year for triple A has been amended. They're extended for two months. So the new, the upcoming fiscal year, which is being funded by the current review will be shortened. And the only other significant thing about that is that the recommendation is that the nutrition or support for access to adequate food that that line item will be increased for obvious reasons. I think that's it. And I'll get you that name, Michelle. Okay. Thank you. Susan report on friends. Yes, what they met last week. And they're in the process of accounting for all checks written so that all monies will be at its great Western now. It's been several months trying to transfer all of their assets there because Jean Cox, the co-treasurer of the fed friends as the investment advisor for the friends. They're also working on redoing their board manuals. Many new members and they just lost one. So there's an opening on that board for another member. And they're also working on their annual campaign and best way to approach it in light of the whole COVID situation. The great thing that I didn't realize how it worked, they've got an investment portfolio of over $2 million. They have helped to fund many of the continuing education programs and they've reassigned some monies as needed, directing it to COVID needs. And they're tracking that so not spending as much for the senior center but money is there should we need it to start up again or whatever they're there. Michelle, any report from TRG? No, ma'am. There's nothing I think our next scheduled meeting might have gotten pushed out to November, but I'm not, I'm not sure, but nothing between last time and this time. All right. And are anything from Boulder County Latino Coalition? Longmont Economic Development Partnership is currently quarterly, I believe the next meeting is next month. And Jack, any additional things for sustainability? Yeah, let me mention something that took place at the state meeting at the energy office. They spoke about natural and human greenhouse gases increasing, which is going to affect what's happening around our globe, unfortunately, which communities are affected a roadmap to 100% renewable energy by 2040 with bold climate action, hopefully, and a call to action to decrease pollutants and what the state will be doing is redoing their vehicle pool by increasing electric vehicles, sedans, trucks, heavy equipment, changing some of the building codes and trying to use things that have extreme efficiency when it comes to appliances. They discuss House Bill 1261, which has an impact on increasing impacts on uses of HFCs and their rules, which is hydrofluorocarbons, which decreases the emissions that are harmful to our environment. They talked about 2030 goals, clean electricity, energy efficiency, building and industrial electrification. They talked about advanced biofuels, oil and gas. And part of this House Bill, I think it might be House Orson, I thought it was the House, which increases inspectors for fracking sites. And I don't know if folks know there are 50,000 fracking sites just in the county of Weld. Unfortunately, that helps to increase what I call the crescent of ozone that comes from Weld and goes all the way up to the Boulder Reservoir. And unfortunately it impacts the elderly as well as some children with asthma and other health infirmities. So it's important that we do something about what's going on all over the globe, especially here in Colorado. They're talking about having increased inspectors. And an important part of this is oil and gas has to be more aware of what they do incorrectly because they've made large increases in fines with non-compliance at fracking sites. They're talking about agriculture, coal usage and waste management. And that was about it. Jack, I have a question. You may or may not know this. What, you know, what supersedes the state? Like I know Weld County kind of has their own rules and regulations and given that they're the county that happens to also have the largest number of fracked wells. Do their rules and regulations supersede those of the state? There's a hierarchy. Unfortunately, the feds haven't done very much when it comes to fracking. And as we all know, it all boils down to big corporations making big money out of this stuff. And the sad part is most of that fracking gas and oil is exported because they make more money. As far as I know, the state Supreme Court overruled some of the fracking rules which said that there would not be any fracking within certain counties or the state. So that put a kibosh on certain things. And here in Longmont, you know, we had on the ballot a couple of years ago to keep fracking out of the city limits. But unfortunately with the ruling from the state Supreme Court, they said that they could frack. But the point is they could be fracking at the city limits, but they go horizontally. Right. We're not sure if we can check all the casings that go onto the city. And we have some right outside. We live two miles. We're at 17th and pace. And we live two miles from a fracking site. And unfortunately people are unaware of health impacts because they've listened to some pediatricians. And they talk about certain children having asthma and nosebleeds and increased problems from all the shall I say pollutants that come out of a fracking site and some of which are carcinogenic benzene ethylene and things such as that. And there's also flaring because of the excess methane that's exposed into the environment. You know, and as we all know global warming is a serious problem from anything from coral reefs disappearing in Australia, Key West and so many other places. And the other problem is look at all the serious problems we've had with hurricanes and just look at the category four that we just had hit Louisiana and Texas. And unfortunately the federal level isn't doing as much as they could be doing to decrease global warming and increasing natural ways of producing power like wind energy and solar energy. Because the old excuse they use they couldn't store up at the new storing capacities of very much increased over the last year or two. So that that basically means we can make recommendations as the state can make recommendations but at this particular point in time cannot mandate. No oil and gas has a lot of clout in our state unfortunately. And I think Governor Polis has done a better job than most in the past as far as keeping oil gas within rain. But you know it's big money and unfortunately oil gas is a big oil maker for the state because we get tax monies from them. And it's a problem but I think health should be more important than making profits unfortunately. But you know it's like the old tobacco industry physicians and their scientists said that smoking was an injurious to your health. But we all know the results of that and states receive billions of dollars from tobacco industry but people are still smoking. But oil and gas and fracking is a problem for this state and it's injurious to one's health. I think Janine Marcia wanted to weigh in on. Yeah. Thanks. I just wanted to say that that there is local there's local control as of the legislature. But one the last legislature but one did pass a resolution that changed the mission of the COGCC to include safeguarding health and and gave that primacy over fostering the oil and gas industry and also gave the right to make local regulations as long as they are more strict not less strict than the state regulations. Weld County is upset about that because they wanted to unregulate. They wanted they wanted to repeal the new state regulations and let the oil and gas industry what keep doing what they're doing. And given that there's not a lot of enforcement mechanisms in place they're essentially doing that essentially just by looking the other way. The other thing is that the you know with legislation it changes what the regulatory agencies have the right and mandate to do. But then the regulatory agencies have to do what's called rulemaking to put actionable guidelines in place and they have been really dragging their feet on that. So despite having new members who are not part of the oil and gas industry the COGCC and the air quality organization have have just not stepped up to the plate yet in terms of of really making changes that can be acted upon to clean up the oil and gas industry. The other thing that's that's probably relevant to this is that our long month and what's the other organization is it. Jack you might know this is it Colorado Rising. That's one of them. Yeah, there they are suing the city of Longmont to establish a precedent that cities may in fact ban fracking so that there's they're also suing the COGCC who needs and and to to reinstate long months fracking ban as law and I mean Longmont doesn't really the way things are now have anything in the enforcement action that it could do it would have to sue. Somebody outside the city limits and it's then there'd be a whole new thing about whether Longmont has stat has standing to sue. But anyway, those environmental organizations are trying to sue Longmont and if they win their suit it would establish precedent that fracking bands are part of what is now allowed by law that, you know, it would essentially over if they won the suit, then it would go to the Supreme Court again but the Supreme Court would have the chance to reinstate Longmont fracking down. Do we think that's going to happen. No I don't. And I also hope it doesn't because I don't think it's you know the people of Longmont paid a lot. In terms of expended tax money to do all the things we've done to fight fracking. And although there is some drilling underneath Union reservoir now, the points of entry are the 225 hundred feet outside the Longmont city limits which is supposedly the radius of worst harm in terms of you know stillborn babies and things like that. So I, I, I hope that Longmont does not have to pay again for that. I think that somebody who has a current problem like Broomfield or or Erie ought to be bearing the burden. I also my the legal consultants that I have turned to don't think that it has a very good chance of prevailing that lawsuit. Now it's interesting you know the country of fans and Bulgaria ban fracking in their countries. So did the state of New York I don't think it's any, I don't think there's any question that it's a terrible practice that shouldn't be done. It's just, you know, you can drill a well without, you know, horizontal, you know, fracking as well. Plus the other problem is each fracking site uses three to five million gallons of water and we can't afford that water. Just look at what's happening to the Colorado River. This biome is going down precipitously, unfortunately. And with global warming we can't depend on the mountains, you know, for the spring melt off for our great water supply that we have in Longmont. It's one of the best. It is and fortunately it's one of the best partly because a lot of it comes from the Eastern slope basins. So yeah, of all the cities in the front range, I think that we're the best fixed for water. And you know where I spend my efforts as an activist is try to destroy the market for fossil fuels. Absolutely. But the other thing March is that that the legislative bill 1261 increase inspectors and really raise the fines for, you know, not doing what they're supposed to be doing with their fracking sites. Well, that's the deal, you know, it has to be. It has to be the rule makings and money appropriations that have to do that so 1261 right now as it stands doesn't have enough teeth. And that's actually why we are Longmont is retaining Dr. Helmig, because we hope someday to be able to use his measurements to sue somebody, right, World County, knowing this stuff, the COGCC for not having teeth, all that. So we're, we're trying our best. And we're already spending a lot more money to do it. But it's a problem for your health. That's this, that's the important part. Mm hmm. Sorry. Sarah, do you have any additional things to add about the census committee? Sarah said no. No, okay. All right. Janine, I do have a couple of things I'd like to share if I could real quick. Yep, you can. So it is my understanding that Longmont United Hospital has closed their center for health and integrative medicine, Jim. And I don't know what that means for us that has been our primary contact with Longmont United Hospital with the presence here at the senior center pre COVID anyways. But we've had their massage therapist their acupuncturist their nurses and other great staff who have been here at the senior center. I just found this out yesterday and I don't have a lot of update what that means in our relationship between the Longmont senior center and Longmont United Hospital that I will be finding that out in the days ahead. Susan, did you have a comment about that? Some of us have outstanding gift cards with quite a bit of money on them. I mean, are they going to announce it or are they going to send checks? What are they doing? Yeah, I haven't heard that yet, but that is one of the things on my list. Thank you. Jack. Yeah, the person that did the acupuncture has left the area, I think. Right, right. She was terrific. The other announcement that I wanted to make is that I applied for funding through Boulder County area agency on aging. We have had a long term partnership with them to deliver some specific programs in Longmont, the short term assistance program, the respite assistance program choices at home program, etc. So I will be meeting with them later this afternoon. We will are hoping rather than doing individual memorandums of understanding between the city of Longmont senior services in Boulder County area agency on aging. We can do one larger memorandum of understanding. And at this point I've asked for the funds, which is about $27,000 to go to the friends of the senior center, rather to the city, because I get a quicker turnaround time in writing checks. But anyways, I'll be, I'll be working on that and I'm very excited to move this to that, to that place. So I did want to share those two things real quick. Thank you. We have no public invited to be heard. Does anyone else have anything Sarah. I had a question from Michelle regarding when you mentioned the health services that have been provided by integrative health. Has there been any more action about the foot care. Yeah, we have put all of that on hold though I understand Boulder County Public Health did let Lafayette open up their foot care. So anyways, those have all sort of been put on hold until we figure out when we're reopening. Yeah. Thank you. Anyone else have other business. I'd like to hear a motion to adjourn our meeting. I'll make that motion. Seconded by Susan. Okay. Thank you all very much for your participation today and it's really wonderful to see you and to be with you even if it is on a screen. And look forward to seeing you all next month. Thank you. Hi everybody. Bye.