 of Grace Family Baptist Church made his first appearance in court today. Bratton approached the judge and his bond conditions were set. He is not allowed to go places where there will be children, like parks, schools and daycares. His internet usage will also be restricted and monitored. He's only allowed to go online to look for work. Bratton was excommunicated from the church and a police report was filed. Bratton was excommunicated from the church and a police report was filed after a shocking confession to two pastors. The Harris County Sheriff's Office says on May 16th Bratton confessed he sexually abused the same female victim for the last five years beginning when she was just 13 years old. Here's what the prosecution had to say today. So the minimum range of punishment if convicted at trial is 25 years in prison and up to life. This is still an ongoing investigation and so it's going to take some time but we will make sure that justice is sought in this case. 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Sufficient Grace, good to see you as well. All right, and those who may be joining in later on, welcome to the BCV channel. Thank you so much for joining. Bob Paulson, a CEO over there in Facebook. Y'all go and get these likes up. Of course, the haters will be coming. I already got a thumbs down already. 39 in the chat. 39 watching as well. Let's get these likes up, ladies and gentlemen, keep this algorithm constantly going and keeping it steady. I do appreciate that. That clip that you saw was from Vody Baccham's former church, Grace Family Baptist Church. It was in scandal involving a former pastor who had been accused and convicted as you saw for the charges there for his mistreatment. I'm just using the word mistreatment, but y'all know what they actually said as well toward a child. And the reason why I put it up, it was because of how the church responded once they were made aware and abreast to what actually occurred. So that is very telling that Vody Baccham's church, former church, how they handled that situation and that scandal involving a child and a pastor considered to be an adult and his ungodly relationship toward a minor for years. So it begs the question, if Vody's church did that and how they handled that type of scandal and abuse, why would he link arms and connect himself with an individual who covers up so-called abuse? So I got a lot of information I want to cover and want to get right into it. So we're going to begin with a foundational text. Well, actually there's going to be two of them. But the first text is going to be in Ephesians chapter 5 in verse 11. Ephesians chapter 5 verse 11, the Bible says, I do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness but instead even expose them. Now that is very important. That is very key. The reason why that is important, the reason why that is very key is because my goal tonight is to just present evidence. That's it. Just to present evidence, to present evidence of John MacArthur versus himself. John MacArthur of 1987 versus John MacArthur of 2023. 36 years ago. 36 years ago. And what I, my goal is, and I put up in the, I put up made up a poll question, if you will, to ask a simple question. After tonight, does John MacArthur need to be under church discipline? If you know anything about Grace Community Church, if you know anything about John MacArthur, they are staunch advocates of church discipline. Well, I am too when it is applied biblically. When it is applied biblically. I made the statement and I don't recall anyone making this statement before on any other podcast that I believe that John MacArthur should be on church discipline. I believe he needs to be under church discipline. I believe he needs to step down. I believe he is not qualified any longer to be pastor because of the pattern of abuse and mistreatment of fellow image bearers and those that were under his, under his care. I believe that because of the evidence. But after tonight, hopefully by God's grace, you will objectively conclude as well based on the evidence and the evidence only that John MacArthur should be under church discipline, should be under church discipline. Black atheist gamer, good to see you. Good to see you. And hopefully by God's grace, your positions will change if you continue to come here. But I definitely appreciate to thank you for joining tonight. So I want to get right into it. I want to get right into this, into the, into the, to these receipts and into the subject at hand because I believe it is very important for us to, to us to do so here tonight. There is actually a blog that John MacArthur had put out. And this one here, and I'm going to share it with you in just a moment, just making sure everything on the other end is going okay. There was a blog that was, that was put out and it is titled When Silence is Sinful. And it's dated February 20th of 2014. February 20th of 2014. Very interesting, isn't it? Because nine years ago, he put this information out. And actually eight years ago, I think eight years ago, eight, nine years ago. But anyway, this, this article, and you can find it on our website, on our website, this article, and you can find it here under the website. And I'll put these links up later. I'll put these links up later. But I wanted to just read something to you because I believe it is very, is very important to note. So this is John MacArthur and his blog titled, When Silence is Sinful. Ignore it and it will go away. There seems to be the tactic of the charismatic movement. Notice he said this is the tactic of the charismatic movement. Not, not the tactic of the church, but the tactic of the charismatic movement has adopted when it comes to false prophets, heretical theology, and phony miracles. Many charismatic simply turn a blind eye to the corruption in their midst. Assuming that it is not happening in their church, then it is not their problem. But that's not the biblical pattern for dealing with sin in the church. In fact, it directly contradicts the apostle Paul's instructions for dealing with false converts and professing believers whose sin is corrupting the church. To the church that FACC wrote, do not participate in non-fruits with deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them. Our Christian responsibility goes beyond abstaining from the deeds of darkness. We are also called to expose them. To ignore evil is to encourage it. And to keep quiet about it is to help promote it. The verb translated as exposed is a glenco, which can carry the idea of reproof, correction, punishment, or discipline. We are to confront sin with intolerance. Sometimes such exposure and reproof will be direct and at other times indirect. But it should be always immediate. When we are living in obedience to God, the fact in itself would be a testimony against wrong. When those around us see us helping those in need rather than exploiting them, hear us talking with purity instead of profanity and observe us speaking truthfully rather than deceitfully, our example would be a rebuke against selfishness, unwholesome talk, and lies. Often the course open rebuke is necessary. Silent testimony would only go so far. Failure to speak out against and oppose evil is a failure to obey God. Believers are to expose the works of darkness with whatever legitimate biblical means necessary. Love does not only openly expose and oppose sin, it is not biblical love. Love not only does not act unbecomingly, but it does not rejoice on unrighteousness wherever it might be found. Unfortunately, many Christians are barely able to keep their own spiritual and moral houses in order that they do not have the discernment, inclination, or power to confront evil in the church or in society at large. We should be so mature in biblical truth, obedience, holiness, and love that the natural course of our life is to expose, rebuke, and offer the remedy for every kind of evil. Sadly, many Christians do not confront evil because they do not take it seriously. They laugh and joke about unadulterated wickedness, things that are immoral and ungodly in the extreme. They recognize the sinfulness of those who would likely never participate in them, but they enjoy them vicariously and so doing. They don't only fail to be an influence against evil, but are instead influenced by it, contaminated to the extent that they think and talk about it without exposing and rebuking it. Whether the sin is isolated to one small group or congregation, or it thrives on a global scale like the corruption in the charismatic movement. He's only talking about the charismatic movement. I hope y'all are following along here with that. God's people need to be faithful to expose and deal with it biblically, and there's a signature at the bottom, and you find this adapted from his New Testament commentary in Ephesians. The New Testament commentary in Ephesians. Now whether he wrote it, that's another subject for another time. The reason why I wanted to highlight is because he titles this when silence is sinful. And interestingly and unfortunately, there was an issue involving Kosti Hen. Kosti Hen is the nephew of the infamous Benny Hen. And if you want more information about this, I would encourage you to go to Dean Lentini. Dean Lentini, L-E-N-T-I-N-I I believe it is his name, and also pray for him, and his family, and their son who is in the hospital I believe. Not faring well as far as his health is concerned, but please lift up the Lentini family in your prayers. But you can go to his channel and you can pull up his YouTube link there regarding the Kosti Hen and G3 situation, or scandal if you want to use that term, or just to say but nonetheless, Kosti Hen went on Twitter and he basically was getting tired based on his observation of the fanboyism in the Good Old Boys Club. Thank you, brother for the super chat. Appreciate it, brother. Thank you so much. But he was getting tired of what he had noticed in the amongst the reform community and their attitude of people basically covering for sin and covering for you know, for all kinds of wrongdoing and so he spoke out about it and in doing so of course he garnered some unfavorable responses and I'm not reading this in its entirety either, but I wanted to just highlight a few portions here because one of the issues I believe was there was an, I think the guy was an atheist. I forgot the guy's name those of you who may have watched this you probably know what I'm talking about but again, you can follow along on Dean Latini's channel or you can read this article here from Julie Royce there are some links here that have been removed because Kosti Hen took some of the comments down but it says Kosti Hen, nephew of Beni Hen has been called a progressive to mark and avoid for more than two years by Michael O'Fanlon founder of the Christian Nationalist group Sovereign Nations and a board member with G3 Ministries. Now if you go there now I believe Michael O'Fanlon's name is no longer on there let me go back again let's see here I believe his name is no longer on the on that list but maybe another one so forgive me on that but it says he's an author Hen is an author pastor and critic of prosperity preachers and has denied the allegations time and time again last Thursday at the date of writing Hen said publicly that he had asked G3 a reformed theology ministry headed by Josh Boyce to hold O'Fanlon accountable for slander and alliances with false teachers it was far from the first time Hen has publicly criticized another Christian leader but on Friday Hen walked back his comments at the same time he deleted his public criticism of Doug Wilson a controversial Idaho pastor who had been linked to multiple sex abuse scandals and claims that empathy is sin and so again he got pushed back on that took his post down most people who read the post most people who read his tweets and even heard his four part podcast I believe in his response to the things that he had noticed those things have been removed and so people were responding and encouraging him to take a stand and to keep standing and not be manipulated and so it said now fellow pastors and critics of Doug Wilson are asking if Hen was manipulated into withdrawing his criticism through misapplication of Matthew 18 and you see comments like the one here Hen began a four part podcast series last week at the time of this writing to address the hypocrisy within our camp tell about the reform camp within our camp as culture war as the culture war continues in quote according to the podcast summary Hen indicated much of it was going to be about Wilson in a now in a now deleted tweet Hen said some of his church members had formerly been a part of Wilson's church and so at the bottom you see here Costie is responding to to a tweet and he says sounds good thanks for being willing I'll do a few so that there are decent amounts of material to respond to and not just an abuse story for hearsay and again this is taken down on the podcast he caught out O'Fallon for the alleged slander about Hen's political leanings he also criticized O'Fallon's alliances with two preachers Hen said were heretics Paula White a thrice married prosperity preacher and Rodney Howard Brown a controversial Florida pastor who was criminally charged for defying local COVID-19 restrictions a family of knowledge in 2021 that he has had profound theological disagreements with white and brown which is like I have profound theological disagreements with James Lindsay and so forth and so on Hen was also said he had urged G3's leadership to kick out O'Fallon off of his board but they declined so at the time of this writing I think this is the link here so now O'Fallon is no longer here on the G3 board at the time he was but now at the time of the writing he was not as costy's issue that he took with the G3 staff I was told by G3 to work it out with Michael and that it is not their concern even though I told them it's their job to confront a man who's on their board and being platformed across evangelicalism now Hen said on the now deleted podcast and yet he actively slanders behind the scenes and he partners with the enemies of God who are false teachers and their statements public jointly on Friday Hen and G3 called Hen's comments sinful slanderous gossip as this is beneath the dignity of a gospel minister in quote G3's statement read in part G3 ministries has always stood firm on the truth of scripture calling out false teachers and exercising careful diligence in who we platform and partner with in gospel ministry end quote the rush report reached out to G3 asking what part of Hen's statements was slanderous but did not immediately receive a reply Hen said that he had apologized to G3 and his president, Josh Boyce quote for the sin of presumption and the sin of false accusation in addition Hen said that he was quote wrong to involve G3 ministries in accusations and inflammatory statements that center on a personal conflict in quote he added he should have followed the biblical pattern end quote quote unquote without failing and pledged to quote to pursue private course of action should further conflict arise end quote this is him quoting I was blinded by personal frustrations in conflict and thus pursue justice rather than following the biblical pattern given to preserve unity which is sinful end quote Hen wrote in his apology the rush report asked Hen why he described his interaction with O'Fallon as a private grievance given O'Fallon's leadership position and their public interactions we also asked whether he believed justice and unity were incompatible as the statement implied Hen did not comment and so forth and so on another Baptist pastor Ben Marsh skeptically called on G3's Boyce to hold another Christian leader to the same standard he held Hen to and also we reportedly met with Wilson in a video called on Monday and so forth and so on so basically the issue that are in the reason why I'm reading this and sharing this with you all is because there seems to be some inconsistency here and also misapplication of the scripture Matthew 18 does not apply to public issues because Matthew 18 applies to local church context and you can draw principles from it but you can't use that as a pre-script and a pre-scription to deal with public sin of public issues like embracing false teachers Rebecca Davis author of the book series on twisting scriptures exposed how Bible passages have been misused to abuse has noted that the Bible shows preachers like Peter and Paul confronting each other publicly, not privately The Accounting Galatians 2 in which Paul described confronting Peter about his hypocrisy shows us that the Matthew 18 process is not a hard and fast rule for dealing with all sin in the church and on and on it goes so I wanted to share that because I believe this is very key in dealing with being silent and not being silent when there is sin, when there is scandal, when there is public sin in the church abroad that affects the body of Christ I believe that there is a time and a place to deal with that and I believe these two articles here pretty much explain that and also shows the inconsistencies between the two so and the reason why this is again is important because it builds up to what I wanted to present to you all on tonight because in this in this case and in the situation involving John McGrath, John McGrath is in underpinson I can't stress that enough not only is he an unrepentant sin but he incriminates and indicts his own words against himself against himself 1 Timothy chapter 5 in verse 21 I want to read that and that's the second foundational text that we are going to look at and spending most of our time tonight spending most of our time tonight on 1 Timothy chapter 5 verse 20 and 21 1 Timothy chapter 5 verse 20 and 21 those who continue in sin in the context is dealing with elders how elders are supposed to be respected you find that in verses 17 through through 18 those who are in sin are to be rebuked verses 19 through 21 the accusation proves to be true verse 19 do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of 2 or 3 witnesses that's how they are to be protected verse 20 says those who continue in sin rebuke in the presence of all so that the rest will also be fearful of sinning again look at verse 20 those who continue in sin okay now the question we have to ask ourselves is this is MacArthur in unrepentant sin is MacArthur in sin to where we can say that this verse applies to John MacArthur well again if we have been following and if we have been reading articles and reports and stories and things of that nature we can honestly say that just based on the evidence based on the receipts based on information verse 21 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels to maintain these principles with our bias doing nothing in the spirit of partiality favoritism all of those things that the bible condemns and tells us not to do we're not to do that right so we're not to do that and then we find brothers and sisters in the body of Christ caping and covering and defending people who are in sin and we know the names I've even tagged some on my channel some known some not as known but their statements can still cause people to be swayed and again like I told you doesn't matter if you have 1 million subscribers or 1 we're held accountable and responsible for the things that we communicate regarding the word of God so those who continue in sin rebuke in the presence of all now this is in a local context Paul is writing to Timothy he's a pastor and the church of Ephesus but we're drawing principles and guidelines on how we are to deal with sin once it has been made public we're not to cover for anyone's sin whether you like them or not we already know if you don't like somebody you're not going to cover for them but if you love them and like them and like their materials and their books and things of that nature you're going to have a hard time doing what does say of the Lord but we're going to do it nonetheless verse 21 says I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels to maintain these without bias doing nothing impartiality in the spirit of partiality and again rather than sisters ladies and gentlemen this is very important this is very important why is it important because God's word is the standard and we are to obey Him we are to take what His word says and these links I will put in the description link below I will put these links in the description below this particular one here Restoring Biblical Eldership verse 75 19 to 21 John MacArthur preached that sermon where I am getting this information from January 18th 1987 36 years ago pretty sure Phil Johnson whoever was responsible for uploading it and all I'm doing is taking these statements that John MacArthur preached and said at face value according to what he says according to what he preached now the question again we have to ask ourselves is this if this were any other pastor if this were any other minister any other teacher would we expect for them to step down to stand down Mark Driscoll stepped down he was put down not in the physical sense as a dog but he was removed because of his abuse of the flock bullying of the flock not sure if you read but if you listen to the podcast regarding Mars Hill very very disturbing very very disturbing incidents and instances that occurred at that place under Mark Driscoll the same Mark Driscoll that John MacArthur would say that he was not qualified to pastor because of his treatment of God's people same ones same one and now we find and discover John MacArthur's intimidation bullying fear mongering and then having people to do his bidding as well people being abused people being slandered put out of the church as communicated assaulted not physical assault like punching but you know the kind of assault that we're talking about and for the sake of YouTube I'm trying to reserve my words so it doesn't get too much of a issue as far as going through the algorithm but nonetheless this sermon here that was preached just over 36 years ago is the information that I'll be using tonight and by John MacArthur's own words you the viewer you the audience, you the body of Christ are going to have to make a decision based on the scriptures does John MacArthur still qualify to be pastor of Grace Community Church age does not matter 33 does not matter the qualifications do not change and in case you forgot again this link will be in the description below based on the testimony and information of Elder Han Cho former Elder Han Cho who was asked to conduct an investigation in March of last year quote Cho's testimony confirms the Roy's reports investigation last March which detailed how MacArthur and GCC excommunicated and shamed Eileen Gray for refusing to take back her CA husband David Gray in 2002 and why? What was the investigation? What did it conclude? Han Cho a lawyer and former elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church accused the influential California mega church of quote awful patterns do you see this? this ladies and gentlemen is serious, it's not just one time awful patterns of citing with abusers and endangering victims not just patterns this brother put the adjective on this joint awful patterns of citing with abusers plural sometimes we can read things and just overlook it patterns, that means it's more than one abusers means that it's more than one instance more than one time Cho told Christianity today that after the Roy's reports initial story published GCC's elders tapped him, he didn't go to them they came to Cho tapped Cho tapped him to review the decades old case when he did, he became convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that David Gray was guilty and GCC had committed a terrible injustice ok? Cho told CT, he expected MacArthur and the elders to right the wrong the church and MacArthur here's the charge not only awful patterns listen not only awful patterns of abuse of citing with abusers and endangering victims not only that but they committed a terrible injustice Cho told CT he expected MacArthur and the elders to right the wrong to this day the church and MacArthur not admitted any error or issued any apologies concerning the case Cho said many Grace Community Church leaders refused to even read the Roy's report article and MacArthur refused to reconsider Eileen's discipline citing claims of her bizarre behavior GCC elder board chair Chris Hamilton told Cho he would need to walk back his findings if he wanted to remain on the board sounds like bullying and manipulation doesn't it to me Cho told CT instead Cho and his wife resided the next day decided with an abuser who turned out to be a CM over a mother desperately trying to protect her three innocent young children just wanted you to remember why I am saying that John MacArthur is guilty and by the evidence you the viewer brothers and sisters in Christ will be able to say the same thing too without bias without bias I pray but again this article I'll post this as well in the link below the description but to this day John MacArthur has yet to repent refuses to repent to this very day now their answer in responding to this Grace Church elders do not discuss details publicly arising from counseling and discipline cases on social media nor do we litigate disputes about such matters on online forums Grace Church deals with accusations personally and privately in accordance with biblical principles my thing is okay well then deal with it why Eileen Gray has not received an apology privately our church's history we do not respond to attacks lies misrepresentation and anonymous accusations our church's history and congregation are the testimony myriad of Grace Church members who have sought counsel at our church will testify that the counselor they receive is biblical charitable supportive and liberating well that's debatable but nonetheless just wanted to give you the foundation before we get into the the statements here okay so again the question we have to ask ourselves is this is John MacArthur based on the information so far to this very day is he in unrepentant sin if this were you or myself and we were guilty of these things we put out of the church and rightly so biblically so we would so the question is why haven't and why aren't people like John MacArthur not also met with the same with the same treatment I think we know why I want to read to you the MacArthur commentary first Timothy 5 20 and 21 it is not long it is very short I want to read it to you and that way you can get the gist on what MacArthur himself says in his own writings this is from the MacArthur commentary first Timothy 5 20 to 21 quote elders ought to be protected from false accusations but are not to receive immunity from true ones those elders who continue in sin must bear the consequences Paul does not mention here any specific kinds of sin any sin that cause an elder to violate the qualifications listed in chapter 3 verses 2 through 7 would be grounds for rebuke in the presence of all there are no elaborate steps of discipline to be followed an accusation is made and confirmed then investigated if found true the elder is likely rebuke elenco which means to rebuke means to expose to bring to open conviction to correct or to there are no exegetical grounds for limiting all to the other elders it means everyone elders and congregation a sinning elder has nowhere to hide the sins of a man in leadership role in a leadership role are more serious and are to be punished more severely James 3 1 whether or not he repents is not the issue since his credibility is forfeited he is disqualified from the ministry in either case he must be publicly rebuke so the people understand why he is no longer in leadership attempts to hush things up and allow a sinning elder to leave quietly often create the chaos of misunderstanding understanding in a congregation the ministry is thus a two edge sword those who serve faithfully are to be honored and protected but those who sin are to be removed and publicly rebuke one of the purposes for that public rebuke is so that the rest also may be fearful of sinning loypoi the rest refers to the others in the same class the class in view here is that of elders when one elder is publicly disgraced because of sin that puts a healthy fear into the hearts of the others it also puts that same fear into the hearts of the congregation fear along with love is a proper motive for avoiding sin and obeying God if churches everywhere maintain that high standard for elders unqualified men would be barred from the pastorate as the standard is being lowered in our day it is too often true that when a sinning pastor is disgraced in one church he finds a position of honor in another the church needs to decide whether to protect men's reputations or gods to allow sinning elders to presume ministry before they erase all vestiges of this honor and distrust not always possible sexual sin is a reproach that never goes away according to Proverbs 633 this is MacArthur writing defies scripture and implies that God tolerates sin men are to be forgiven and accepted by the congregation that does not mean however they are to automatically be restored to ministry depending on the severity of the sin they may be permanently disqualified to publicly rebuke to publicly rebuke a sinning elder takes great courage lest he be tempted to shrink excuse me lest he be tempted to shirk their responsibility to command Timothy in verse 21 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels to maintain these things or these principles excuse me without bias doing nothing in the spirit of partiality Paul reminds Timothy that God the Father Christ Jesus and the chosen angels are watching they are the ones to fear not the reactions of men all heaven is concerned with the purity of the church the church that tolerates sinning elders protect its reputation on earth will lose its reputation in heaven the church must maintain these principles regarding sinning elders without bias doing nothing in the spirit of partiality no one is to receive preferential treatment the rebuke of sinning elders must be done with accuracy and integrity there must be no effort to protect those who are famous especially gifted or popular nor to expose those who are not the attitude of those involved must be one of sorrow not self-righteousness to rebuke sinning leaders is not easy yet God requires it because holiness in the church must be upheld the question facing any church is whether it is more concerned about its reputation or God's holiness and so brothers and sisters I present to you the case of John MacArthur versus John MacArthur what about the man who sins what about the pastor elder who sins and the accusation is not false it is true it is in the mouth of two or three witnesses and when investigated found to be true what about that? that takes us to point three rebuking elders and again this is a very strong word an exceedingly strong word what it basically says is there is absolutely no immunity for sin protection up to a point and the point is sin when it gets to the point of sin there is no protection and he also says this notice verse 20 them that sin and them refers to the elder in verse 19 the elders the pastors the ones that sin and it's a present participle the sinning ones and let me say that the sins are not categorized here we could say that the most devastating public sin is sin of immorality and there are myriad illustrations of that but it could be a myriad of other sins as well in fact if you want to know the category of sins all you have to do is go back to first Timothy chapter 3 and reverse everything you could start out in verse 2 by saying he's not a one woman man he doesn't exercise self control a lack of self control is a sin he's not moderate he's not good in his behavior he's not committed to the love of strangers he drinks too much he's impatient he's a fighter he's covetous he doesn't handle his home well it could be any of these things what a man does with his children what he does with his wife what he does with his home what he does with his money how his reputation exists in every dimension of life is at stake in this matter any kind of sin and I want to make that clear because there's just no way that you could be partial for one sin is over against another any kind of sin he says anything that is a sin which that man continues to practice and continue to do is reason for him to be included in them that sin now what do we do with them that sin here's the two-edged sword rebuke before all would you please notice here that we don't have a lot of steps of discipline it just says rebuke before all when an accusation has been made it's been confirmed in the mouth of two or three witnesses and investigated if it indeed is proven to be true he is to be publicly rebuke the word rebuke a lingo means to expose to bring to open conviction to correct to reprove and the idea is public before all there's no exegetical base for limiting the all to just the elders the other elders there's no contextual base for limiting it to just the elders if it says all it means all it means it to be kept from the congregation it would have said be sure the congregation doesn't find out but when it says rebuke before all it means exactly that and there is no either exegetical or contextual reason to limit the all in any way it simply means one who is found to be sinning is to be exposed before everyone there's nowhere to hide once a pastor elders guilt is established he is to be publicly exposed his own testimony ladies and gentlemen I'm just playing the receipts the sin of one in that position is more serious and to be punished more severely because it's implications are greater if you're the model of spiritual life if you're the model of godliness if you're supposed to be the example and you do not live the example that pleases God then the culpability is very severe once the sin is determined to be true then a public exposure takes place that's a very very strong thing if I were to entertain sin in my life on a continual basis and to be judged to be truly sinning in whatever area of sin then what should happen to me is that I should be publicly exposed for that sin it should be a public rebuke before everyone I would lose my right to serve as a pastor elder and be removed from that service and say well what if the man repents that's not the issue at this particular point nothing is saved because the credibility is forfeited so if he's in sin and we see that he's in sin then what's the reason why the elders at grace community church have not made him step down that's the question that people are still wanting to know and to have answered if the man has been found to be in a pattern of sin then he is disqualified by first Timothy chapter 3 he's no longer blameless so he's out of the ministry anyway and he is to be publicly rebuke for his sin because there has to be some explanation about why he's out understood and when that isn't done let me tell you confusion reign supreme when you try to sneak some pastor or elder out the back door and not explain to the people why he's leaving all you're going to do is create problem upon problem upon problem I mean and that's why I read to you all the commentary because he's saying everything that I read basically almost word for word but again the question is why hasn't grace community church why haven't the elders why haven't field johnson and the rest of them have held this man responsible and accountable for the sin of abuse and mistreatment of God's flock of lording over God's people how is this how is this not unbiblical is the question that we need to ask these people to answer but we know they won't answer because they don't have to answer to anybody on social media let alone anyone else and the two-edged sword of ministry is if you're faithful and you serve well and you give great effort and you do your best in the preaching and teaching you're to be honored and protected and the other side of the sword is if you get into sin you are to be taken out of ministry and publicly exposed yeah publicly exposed publicly exposed and people have tried to do that but unfortunately it doesn't apply to MacArthur you do this in order that others also may fear other elders other elders for that matter other people in the congregation who could be also disciplined for their sin but the other here is really directly tied to the elders when an elder is publicly disgraced for his sin a pastor is publicly disgraced for his sin that's going to put a healthy fear in the heart of others and you have to understand people that no one is perfect not an elder not a pastor no matter how capable they are is absolutely perfect and totally able to control every dimension of his life in absolute and utter godliness independent of any other restraint that's not so we need the insulation of a high level of accountability and there needs to be a healthy fear of God and if the church would ever get back to a biblical eldership where it honored men who were worthy of honor and protected men who were worthy of protection and rebuke men who were worthy of rebuke it would begin to insulate the ministry from people who filter into it and hide in the ministry with all their sins so the question that we are asking brothers and sisters I want to make sure you all are hearing what this man is saying I'm not making it up I'm not I haven't doctored anything I will put this link also in the description of this video as well too because I want you to hear the entire sermon in its context in relation to this situation here because Eileen Gray is not the only person that has been mistreated have been abused or been unjustly treated by John MacArthur there are others she's just one of them somewhere along the line we have to decide whether we're going to protect the man or protect the God the man says he serves which one do you think Grace Community Church has decided to do do you think that they have decided to protect the holiness and the integrity of God by doing what is right or do you believe or do you think that they are protecting John MacArthur at all costs you be the judge when there's a man that's disqualified if the church of Jesus Christ was really protecting the way the Lord would have it behave when he went out one door he couldn't find another door to go in you say I mean there's no restoration I'm not talking about restoration I'm talking about ministry as a pastor elder he ought to be loved hopefully he could stay in the same congregation be loved, nurtured, restored to a place of usefulness to the Lord but it's doubtful that he could ever be a pastor and an elder again depending of course on the nature of the sin and its extent acknowledgement that the two hedged sword of ministry is yes you have honor and yes you have remuneration and respect and protection but when you fall into sin there is also the demand made that you be publicly exposed. Again I'm curious to know how you all are taking this information now I'm really curious to know this is sad to say the least yes it is, yes it is but you know what's even sadder is that you have people defending him and his sin and MacArthur wouldn't do it for them he wouldn't do it for them ladies and gentlemen the man put a woman who was abused and her children out of the church do you understand how serious that is how heartless that is and then to destroy it away and say well after 20 some odd years is because of her bizarre behavior bizarre behavior bizarre behavior and then you have people defending John MacArthur like K.Dubb True like Berean Babes like John Harris like Bible Thumping Wingnut April Chapman Dear World Christian The Mob all of them defend this man either defend them by their podcasts and their words or defend them like John MacArthur said in his blog by their silence, Virgil Walker Daryl Bernard Harrison Tom Buck, Justin Peters Vody Bacchum Conradon Bayway Shall I go on? By their silence they're caping and covering for this man I mean he said it in his own blog he said it in his own blog I didn't say it, he said it Boy if the church did this what a purification this would be I mean the world is so suspect of us anyway aren't they sometimes we do it to ourselves you know when you see some guys out there who name the name of Christ and call themselves ministers of Christ you know what they do is it any wonder the world is suspicious is it any wonder they want to falsely accuse the ones who don't deserve being accused because so many do deserve being accused So you have to ask yourself the question notice he always talks about you know Charismatics and Catholics it's like the reform Calvinist community are insulated and are exempt from these kinds of these kinds of sins this is one of the reasons why God is allowing it to happen I really do believe that and he's allowing it to happen to one of the premier preachers of our time John MacArthur to show people and to show the world that yeah there are some churches that are no different than y'all because look at how they respond look at how they deal with sin when it's within their camp see again like I said before it's easy to swing at the low hanging fruit it's so easy but when you see rotten fruit hanging high and you still let it stay there and don't take it down because it may affect and infect the rest of the fruit on the tree then you know you know different than the rotten fruit itself you know different than those who are actually doing the sin committing the offense, committing the crime you're caping for them, you're defending them you're making excuses for them and then bringing up their age their age being 83 years old is an excuse for why they shouldn't step down there's even more of a reason why they should step down she said you know our pastor left I said oh I'm shocked to hear that he's a good friend why? well they found out that he had a relationship with a woman oh I said I can't believe it when was this oh it ended five years ago and she said you know it was five years ago they shouldn't have put him out it's been five years you see that's a typical attitude I don't care if it was five years ago an ongoing relationship that just because it isn't found out once you find it out doesn't mean oh well boy you're past the statute of limitations I'm going to play that one again she said you know our pastor left I said oh I'm shocked to hear that he's a good friend why? well they found out that he had a relationship with a woman oh I said I can't believe it when was this oh it ended five years ago and she said you know it was five years ago I shouldn't have put him out it's been five years you see that's a typical attitude I don't care if it was five years ago an ongoing relationship that just because it isn't found out once you find it out doesn't mean oh well boy you're past the statute of limitations I told y'all I'm just playing the receipts so how do we apply this to Eileen Gray how do we apply this to Whitney Gray how do we apply this to Karen Caldwell how do we apply this to Elder Hahn how do we apply this how do we apply it the man said it doesn't matter how long ago it happened whether it was a sexual relationship that was sinful he said any sin that is committed and elders are responsible and they don't do anything about it they ought to be held accountable so John you put a woman out of the church you had a woman a young girl that was being s assaulted by one of your own inside the church this girl had to jump out of a car for her life to get away from her abuser the church knew about it and did nothing about it and this is the reason why I played the clip from Vody's old church because when they found out about what their quote-unquote pastor did they contacted the police they contacted police they reported that pastor now that pastor is in jail for assault for molestation for endangerment to a child to a minor that he was doing this to for several years Vody's church knew what to do about it my question is Vody why are you not why aren't you sounding the alarm why is it because this is not a fault lines issue is this because it's not in your wheelhouse because it's not your daughter again like I said it's so easy not to say ouch when it's not your toothache but the man said it out of his own mouth there are no statutes of limitations for unrepentant sin well it's time for John McArthur to look at the man in the mirror now this takes courageous action to do this you say this is boy I mean I don't want to get into this and boy what about the poor guy he's such a nice guy and he's served the Lord and he's been in the church and what about his poor wife and what about his poor kids and oh we want to be sympathetic and we don't want to create a problem oh we might get sued I hear that one all the time and this is pretty common stuff in the church and we don't want to create any problems people might leave lots of folks that like them and they'd be offended if we did that so we do nothing so just in case you're tempted to do nothing verse 21 comes like a thunderbolt I charge you he says to Timothy knowing that Timothy is somewhat timid and a little bit intimidated since he is the lone ranger in the midst of the whole bunch of false leaders he says I charge you is what that means I solemnly earnestly declare to you before God who is the judge of all the earth and Christ Jesus to whom all judgment is given and the elect angels who are the instruments and agents of judgment boy this is a heavy duty group here I admonish you before God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels that you observe to keep it means to keep these things without watch this without preference and without partiality he says I'm telling you to do this and I'm telling you to do it because God is watching Christ Jesus is watching and the holy angels are watching and I call you to do this in front of God the eternal judge of the earth to whom all judgment is given in front of the elect angels that is the holy angels the unfallen angels who are both spectators of the church and agents in judgment and I call you before the holiest of the holies of heaven to do this why? God is concerned with the purity of the church Christ is concerned with the purity of the church the holy angels are concerned with the purity of the church the elect angels are chosen to eternal glory and holiness along with serving God are waiting to see your obedience that's the issue they're waiting to see your obedience now who are you going to please you're going to worry about the community you're going to worry about God yeah that's the question you may want to ask your own people I mean y'all talk about the fear of God y'all talk about honoring God those things who are Grace Community church going to they're going to follow your lead they're going to follow their leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit you said it out your own mouth John not me the church still tolerates false teaching it tolerates sin and one of the grossest sins is false teaching and another one that very few people talk about is money problems in the church the church can tolerate all this so save its reputation among men and lose its reputation in heaven so who is it about Grace church reputation we've been seeing and been noticing how they've been caping and covering for John with his illness all of those things all of those things not even being honest with their own people so they're not even honest with their own people inside of Grace Community Church y'all honestly think they're going to be honest amongst the body of Christ at large I think we already have our answers to that it's to be done without prejudice pros crimitas without preferential treatment in other words you shouldn't say well you know it's a nice guy everybody likes him on the other hand it shouldn't be done with partiality that means I can't stand the guy let's really dump it on him it's done without trying to protect someone you prefer and without trying to expose someone you don't prefer it's to be done with accuracy and integrity on prejudice and impartial but it's to be done and it's to be done because all of heaven is watching that it be done that's pretty strong I don't I don't know any way to say any stronger than the way Paul said it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that when you find a pastor who sins all of the holy beings of heaven demand that you do a public exposure that's hard ladies and gentlemen those are just excerpts from the sermon that he preached six years ago and titled biblical eldership these are sermons that he himself preached restoring biblical eldership is the title of the sermon and again I put the link up in the description below this video so now at the beginning of this live I asked you all the question I asked a simple question based on the information and based on the evidence John MacArthur versus John MacArthur of 1987 versus John MacArthur of 2023 if you were to have to deliberate into your jury room and had to render a verdict how would you render your verdict have you reached a verdict have you reached a verdict and if so what is the verdict what is the verdict who do you say again I totally agree with what J. Mac said the defendant has incriminated himself so again all I did was present the evidence that he himself submitted he submitted his own evidence on his own on his own website didn't have to look hard didn't have to look hard for it at all didn't have to look hard for it at all I may want to try to resurrect Johnny Cochran maybe he can help him but the question is based on the evidence how do you what is your verdict what say you what say you beyond a reasonable doubt man yeah the glove fits he came to quit is the woman still alive today she's doing well by the grace of God and that's all I have ladies and gentlemen just wanted to present the evidence just wanted to present the evidence if this were a game John MacArthur would get a technical file and get sent and ejected technical file he'd be gone he'd be gone flagrant file so again I put up a I put up a poll let me look at the poll and see if if the numbers if the poll had changed and it is the question was should John MacArthur be under church discipline for refusing to repent to Eileen Gray 87% say yes 13% says no 13% said no I would love to talk to the 13% you would think that this would be this would be unanimous unanimous decision unanimous decision he should be ejected he should not be in any more games just turn it in man just turn it in hand it over we're done I just wanted to make sure everything is good on this 87% said yes 13% said no you can still do the poll if you all still want to before the live is over but but I am done my wife said he's definitely guilty I really don't want no desire this man to leave here without making this right because this has tarnished the whole ministry AT said a flagrant too he's definitely gone absolutely this was no accident this was a pattern this is why I read the article from Julie Royce of a pattern a pattern ladies and gentlemen according to the evidence he's guilty flag on the field all of that exactly proverbs if this were a case you had to investigate did I present enough evidence or at least enough evidence to indict if this were a case would this be enough evidence to indict this man and charge him and convict the 13% is the 4% people who keeps giving thumbs down thank you thank you in fact I'll end this video real quick if you all would like to do this please you can like, subscribe and share this video please do that I really appreciate it be so kind in doing so also if you want to support the ministry finance you can do that through the link information that is running across the screen you can do that as well or you can go to the link to the website in the description link below and you can also support the ministry as well BCV merchandise you can also go to the link and all this information will be presented at the bottom of the video as well so I do appreciate that thank you all so much for that thank you those who have been supporting and again have been putting in the work we really do appreciate it we really do appreciate it just wanted to say thank you so much for that let me go through these comments and then I'll let you all go let you all go who did you say it open and shut open and shut Will said sadly this isn't the only reason I think he disqualified himself as a pastor but this is one of the clearest facts the defendant confessed your honor guilty and needs to repent be great says oh yeah I'm just trying to be faithful to what God is calling me to do some people think I shouldn't be doing this but I'm not doing it for myself I'm doing it for the body I'm doing it for people at grace I'm even doing it for the people that's giving me the thumbs down then hopefully God will open their eyes and help them to see their idolatry put that up too fast and took it down too fast put them nice nice fitting braces on them praise God man thank you thank you be great and thank you as well Jesus loves you thank you man appreciate it but anyway black atheist gamer you said although it's not logical to blame God when abuse is taking place in the church can you see why some atheists can question God if his people are so fake like the John like in the John black atheist listen and I say this with respect and I say this in sincerity it's individuals like yourself that makes the reason why I do this the reason why I do this you're one of the reasons why I do this dude you're one of the reasons you're one of the reason and I'm not saying that negatively but this is the reason why and he mentioned it you remember John McArthur said that that we wonder why the world mocks and laughs at us because of sin that's not being dealt with in the church so I'm glad you made that statement black atheist I appreciate that man thank you yeah no comment just thumb down this thumbs down to give me bro that's all so far I got I got four you said don't throw the baby up at the bathroom no actually actually I have his commentary I have his commentaries behind me I just took him down I have his commentaries I have not thrown his commentaries away I use his commentaries now for research no I haven't thrown them away no no no why would I do that nope nope nope nope haven't thrown them away at all yeah yeah exactly apostasy some of us do get it some of us do get it you said people people will be replaying this video when the evidence is confirmed we will see it come to pass brother may the will of the law be done man may guys will be done with that I really do believe that a man a man walking through the scripture and listen y'all go over to my brother Joe Pajota's channel under the same name walking through the scriptures with Joseph Pajota you need to go over there and check it out he did a recent video critique of John McArthur matter of fact and the entire shepherd's conference you know situation and the idolatry and the hypocrisy and things of that nature go over there if you have not liked his channel or his video go over there subscribe to the channel go over there and watch that video you would not be disappointed at all but go check out my brother Joseph Pajota's channel and check out his work but anyway I am done I'm done I just wanted to present my information I rest my case I rest my case I rest my case and I don't know if I'll be doing a live tomorrow it all depends see how things go but I do plan to do two things there's two there's two lives I want to do or two panel discussions I want to do one and I mentioned it I mentioned it about a week or so ago I want to have a panel discussion with those of you who are Christians that may have been in a fraternity or sorority or either have formally been in a fraternity or sorority the formally or currently I would love to have a panel discussion with you I already have one brother that that says that he's a he's a cappa and so he wants to be part of the discussion he's currently supposedly pledged to one and I'm trying to get some other brothers and sisters who formally pledged to a fraternity or sorority so we can have a panel discussion regarding Christians and fraternities and sororities that's one panel discussion I want to have the other panel discussion I want to have is with the role of women in the church and in society biblical patriarchyitarianism, sexism and egalitarianism I want to have a conversation about that I already got my brother Joseph he says he would be down and have a a conversation and have a discussion a panel discussion about that so I'm in the process of doing it if you are, if you fall into any one of those topics and you would like to be a guest on this channel please email me at sicklewoodsatyahoo.com email me at sicklewoodsatyahoo.com let me know how I can contact you give me your information regarding what position you hold and why and then we can try to set up a time and a date to have a discussion to have a conversation I think these things would be important I think it would be helpful to the body of Christ so, but yes so let's see if we can get that thing going together but anyway I just wanted to go through the comments I think we are all done let's pray for each other, keep each other in your prayers let's support each other's ministries as much as we can by sharing it, subscribing to it supporting merchandise, supporting them financially to be able to do so I'm pretty sure they would appreciate it and so would we but anyway that's my time I thank you all so much for your as you all have a blessed Lord's Day, blessed weekend and y'all know the drill, whatever you do do all to the glory and honor of God, God bless thank you for sharing this night God bless you, good night