 when it comes to contracts that are of very high value, so contracts that you could be actually worried about, for example, we would like to buy an apartment, right? And it costs a lot of money and you don't want to have the risk of someone uploading a deep fake, right? So in these cases, the best verification is human verification and we are going to have lawyers on board who are going to go through this and they are gonna verify it themselves to make sure that no one gets harmed by using our services. Hi, this is your host, Sopran Parthian. Welcome to Let's Talk About AI. And today we have with us, Simon Redick, lead blockchain developer at Voigt. Simon, it's great to have you on the show. Yeah, thank you for having me. Tell us a bit about the company Voigt. So, Voigt is basically pioneering when it comes to combining legal services with the blockchain technology as well as the ZK Snarks technology. So essentially we are merging AI blockchain and ZK Snarks into one, allowing users to essentially interact with legal services in a more seamless way. So our artificial intelligence algorithms allow for legal document creation by just having a conversation with the assistant, which is our own AI algorithm. After the conversation is over, we are able to create the legal document and support the user in any way possible. Of course, we are going to discuss how is Voigt going to integrate ZK Snark technology in its solutions, but before that, tell us a bit about what is ZK Zero Knowledge Snarks. Essentially, a ZK Snark proof in general ZK Snarks technology is a technology that allows you to prove something without showing it to the third party. So, usually projects use the ZK Snarks technology in order to provide anonymity in transactions and sometimes for proving that the blocks of the blockchain have been verified. But whereas Voigt took a bit of a different approach with ZK Snarks, Voigt has integrated the ZK Snarks technology into our solutions, not only to help with the transactions anonymity, but to actually enhance user privacy and security in their legal contracts. So what this means is if a user creates a contract through our platform, let's say this is a contract that proves that you're working at some sort of a company and you're earning, let's say $1,000 a month. Later on, you can generate a ZK Snark proof that proves that you actually earn $1,000 a month and you earn that much money at company X. But you don't have to show all of the other information of the contract. So for example, you want to lease a car. In order to lease a car, you have to prove your financial eligibility, right? So you come to our platform, you upload your contract, you can generate the ZK Snark proof for your income and for the company that you're working at. And then you don't have to sell out your information to the bank or the other information or to the car dealership, which makes this solution more robust, more secure and generally protects your personal details. Can you talk about what kind of market or industry you are catching to? We are honestly tackling a very big audience, you could say, because we would like to revolutionize the legal sector of, well, at the beginning, one country, but then we'll move on to other countries and in general just revolutionize the legal sector of the whole world. We would like to be a hub where we handle the legal transactions, the legal agreements of all the countries in the world and make it so that no matter where you live, you can still use our platform and help yourself with the legal obligations, right? So if you would like to go to a lawyer, maybe just visit our platform, it's gonna be not only cheaper, but most cases probably more reliable. What kind of adoption of blockchain technologies are you seeing today? So right now this is an infancy stage where most projects do not actually have a real world use case and usually the solutions that the blockchain projects provide, these solutions are usually only for the web-free community, right? So for people that are actually knowledgeable on how to set up your wallet and how to pay for transactions, how to look up your contract, this is all complicated stuff. We at Viatar are taking a little bit of a different approach. We actually would like to not only address people of the web-free industry, but in general, every single human that is out there that has access to a phone that can download the application from the app store and just run our application and there you go, you have your own legal consultant in your pocket, which makes it seamless and you don't have to know a whole lot about blockchain because we handle that stuff on our end. I want to talk about one of the hottest technologies or topics these days, which is generative AI, chat, GPT has made it very, very popular these days. What kind of scope do you see for generative AI in this blockchain space? Well, generative AI is interesting, but it's actually very dangerous as well. So when you are having a legal contract with another party, in a lot of the cases, you are going to have to identify yourself, at least in the basic manner, so we know who you are and who you are signing the contract with, right? So when you have a full, I wouldn't say the centralized platform, like completely the centralized platform, but full online platform, you have to upload your pictures, for example, for the verification now with the generative AI, as we all know, it's actually quite simple to create deepfakes, which in return could cause some trouble, especially in the legal aspect, right? So Viad is investing a lot of money into R&D to stop the deepfakes, but we are also considering other strategic partnerships which could allow us to not be able to, for people not to not be able to actually upload the deepfakes to our platform. So the only way to combat the generative AI is to actually have a better AI and detecting the deepfakes, right? Are you always seeing any abuse or misuse of generative AI for creating fake legal documents? Essentially, when it comes to contracts that are of very high value, so contracts that you could be actually worried about, for example, we would like to buy an apartment, right? And it costs a lot of money and you don't want to have the risk of someone uploading a deepfake, right? So in these cases, the best verification is human verification and we are going to have lawyers on board who are going to go through this and they are gonna verify it themselves to make sure that no one gets harmed by using our services. Of course, it may not be possible for you to share some name, but if you can share what kind of companies, industries or kind of use cases that are leveraging your solutions. Like I said before, our product is focused not only on the crypto native people, but people in general. A good example that some of my co-workers came up with is that sometimes you're getting letters for you to go to court and to handle something or for example, didn't pay enough tax, et cetera. Now, this is very stressful and problematic, especially when you realize that lawyers are extremely expensive. So our way of handling this is, all you have to do is download our Viad application, have a chat with the assistant, explain the situation, upload the scan of the letter that you got and you are going to be handed a solution straight away. If the algorithm itself is not able to provide you with a solution and step by step guide on what to do, then in that case, in the extreme case, we are going to be connecting you with a real time lawyer that's going to explain everything step by step and this way, you are sure that you're not gonna be left behind and that you're not gonna be able to do something, right? You know what you're gonna have to do and it's not gonna be as stressful as it is today. And what do these solutions look like? I would say this is a mix of all. There's going to be a plan, like the legal sector is huge. Everyone realizes that it's not only, by answering questions, you cannot really solve a lot of problems in the legal sector. So we have to be ready to deliver all kinds of services that will fill the holes and create the whole legal sector ecosystem that we are dreaming of. So there is the legal document creation, creating proofs of the documents, very high standard verification of your identity, et cetera, et cetera. There's so many layers to it that it's easy to get lost, but for a user that just comes on our platform for his everyday needs, the platform is extremely easy to use because you just open the app and straight away you have the dialogue and you can go ahead and ask him any question. Since we were talking about AI and I want to go back to that question again, what kind of AI are you using internally? Essentially what we are using is a combination of machine learning and deep learning algorithms. Machine learning algorithms usually solve the easier problems, right? The easier problems, whereas the deep learning algorithms or creating the neuro model, these models usually handle the big stuff, right? So for example, for example, as a company that handles legal stuff, we have to be able to access all of the law that is currently in place at a certain country. So in a lifetime, we do have web sockets open that are scraping the data for all of the newest laws that appear in every country. And thanks to our proprietary algorithms, many deep learning algorithms, we are able to filter out all of the text and actually find out what you can do in a certain country, what you cannot do and what you have to do in the case of X, right? But we do also have algorithms other than ours, right? ChargeGPT for example, right now we are talking about, talking with another company about algorithms allowing us to resolve disputes between people. So the scope is huge and it's at the core, it is our proprietary algorithms, but they are boosted by all sorts of different algorithms that in combination they just essentially create via it. Are you serving only the local European market or you're looking beyond Europe as well? We are gonna be tackling one country right now at the beginning. I'm not gonna be able to say which country yet but it's going to be released very soon, where we are going to be in talks with the government to essentially add our services to the everyday administrative life. But in the future we do aim for our platform to work essentially everywhere in the world. Simon, thank you so much for taking time out today and talk about the company and I would love to chat with you again soon, thank you. Thank you very much, thank you for having me.