 Are Christians science deniers? Is the Bible at odds with science? A lot of modern day scientists seem to think so, but I would beg to disagree. Today we're responding to a new Jubilee video, religious leaders versus scientists. This gets really interesting quick, so stay tuned. Hey guys, what's up? My name is Isaac David and this is The Daily Disciple where I help you follow Jesus daily. Thank you to all my patrons on Patreon. It's because of your guys' support that I can continue to do this. Now let's get into the video. My name is Matt, I'm 41 years old. I'm a pastor. I'm Gioche, I'm 40 years old. I'm a minister of Buddhist church. I'm Andrew, I'm 42 and I'm a chemist. I'm Jess, I'm 36 and I'm a volcanologist. I'm Don, I'm 64. I'm a paleontologist and geologist. I'm Amy, I'm 53 and I'm a rabbi. These videos are always interesting to me because especially when they only have one Christian you're hoping that they're gonna stand true to like actual Christianity. I know there's lots of other like, okay, there's a rabbi here and there's a Buddhist guy. It's interesting to just see, okay, does the representative of this specific group actually represent them in a good way, in an accurate way? That's always kind of a little hiccup in this whole experiment, but we'll see. I believe this is where it was created. Okay, predictions, I'm thinking the pastor's gonna go and the rabbi is gonna say yes. This is literally my greatest fear that I'd be all alone in the circle. I believe that this world was created. I have placed my faith in a God that is infinitely creative in what he's made. He then deserves my worship and my affection. Yo, what happened to the rabbi? Like what? Like, okay, according to Judaism God actually did create the heavens of the earth. Like they hold to Genesis. Like that happened. So I'm not exactly sure what kind of Jewish religion she holds to if there's some sort of adaptation that she's taken on. Like I know it's a big thing for there to be some like, you know, atheist Jewish people. So I don't know, maybe she is, but she's a rabbi. So it's like, why doesn't she believe in God? It doesn't surprise me that the scientists said, no, God didn't create the universe because I bet their worldview is something like we, you know, came out of primordial ooze and over millions of years, you know, evolved into the creatures that we are today and it began at the big bang or whatever else. Not very surprising. Seriously, last night I was talking to my wife, I was like, what if there's a question that I'm only one of the degrees to? She's like, just stay where you are. I was like, I don't know. The big problem is that at the end of the start, talking to a creator and I have battle creation is in most of my entire career as an evolutionary biologist and paleontologist. It brings in a whole category of things that violate my rules as a scientist as well. And when I step back from that, especially when I step back from where I started as a religious person when I was younger, I look at this and I say, if anything, what we see now about the universe shows how poorly designed it is and how sloppy it is and how painful it is and all these things which don't speak to a very benevolent creator because if anything, it makes him look bad. In all of his years of debating creationists and going toe to toe as he said that he's done for the majority of his career, I'm surprised that he's never come across somebody that's informed him about the fall of man, the fact that we were all created in the image of God. Everything was perfect, everything was good until Adam and Eve rebelled against God and sent the whole world into this kind of twisted way where we're getting glimpses of the goodness that God initially put in. But yet there's sickness, there's death, there's destruction, there's this disorder. I mean, that's not really a very compelling argument because it's pretty obvious, like, hey guys, we recognize the world is not perfect here. There is death, there's destruction, but that's because of our own sin. I don't believe in a supernatural God. I'm a reconstructionist Jew. For me, I don't rely on a supernatural creator in order to remain astounded at the beauty of this world that's sloppy. It's the world, right? It's the world. We're sloppy, the world is sloppy, but it's also incredibly magical and worthy of awe and respect and that it's here is amazing, that we're here is amazing and I wanna live in relationship to that amazement. Okay, interesting. So she's part of this thing called reconstructionist Judaism. That was a tough thing for me to say there. Apparently reconstructionist Judaism is a modern Jewish movement that views Judaism as a progressively evolving civilization. So I would assume that encapsulates a lot more of like the cultural aspects of Judaism as opposed to the religious views of Judaism. It kind of like the fact that she's like, I don't even know, like there's not a God or the God didn't create the world or anything like that. That's pretty unusual. I don't know why she's a rabbi though. Like what would she be teaching people? It just goes to show that even though, like especially when you're talking to people from other religions, it's really important to ask questions about what they actually believe. I've encountered this numerous times where somebody might say, oh, I'm a Muslim or I'm a Jewish person or whatever. And you kind of, you wanna ask some questions just to make sure what they believe lines up with what you've heard. Like even Mormons, right? Like a lot of people from different religions pick and choose what they believe and what they don't believe. So getting that understanding of what they actually believe from the religion that they identify with will help you in understanding them and then leading them towards the gospel. Like if I just came up to this lady and she was like, I'm a Jewish person then I'm like trying to go off the Old Testament and I'm coming here and then she's like, I don't believe any of that. I'm like, what? It's just good to know. Good to ask questions. This is a really powerful admission on all of their parts. Like according to the Christian, this makes perfect sense, right? Obviously science cannot answer moral questions because morality comes from the scripture, it comes from God. But for any of the other people, the fact that they are saying science cannot answer moral questions, they're one foundation. The thing that they've clung onto their whole lives that they've seen everything through these lenses, they can't answer this question. They've just acknowledged that science cannot answer this fundamental aspect of the human existence, morality, what is right, what is wrong. So you're gonna see them kind of like, okay, they've acknowledged they can't know what is right and wrong based on science but yet they're gonna kind of refer back to what is right and wrong even though they have no foundation. It's really interesting. I never look to science to go like, is murder right or wrong? I look to science to say, how many murders were committed last week? That's what I want to know. And then say, is there a trend? What is the cause of these murders, blah, blah, blah. And then we use different tools, I guess that's the best way of putting it to assess whether or not we should be murdering people. Where do those morals come from then? I think they're innate in humans. All societies have had certain things they'd agree on and regardless of religious background and so on, we don't require a deity or any kind of religion to give us those things. And we come with them as part of our species. She's right, you can identify how many murders, right? Science can use as an analytical tool of saying how many murders happen but just the fact that there is like, science is just kind of an observing, right? The scientific method, you're just observing and then you're seeing reoccurrences and how those things work and understanding systems of the world and how all those things operate. But that doesn't mean you can declare whether those things are good morally or not. And so that's really interesting, okay? So she says, okay, yeah, you can't know, you don't know. But then the older guy comes in, right? Oh, the Christian guy, he's like, oh yeah, you know, how do you know though? What's your standard for truth? Cause if you, you're the biggest thing that you claim to cling on to science, that's my Lord and savior science, right? If all of a sudden that has left you with no right or wrong, how do you know? And the older guy is just like, well, we don't need to know. Civilizations, they've found this out over centuries and we just know it innately within us. Hmm, interesting, that might come up later. There are things that my beliefs cannot explain. Notice how she's laughing here and yet all those people, all the scientists, they should be hustling down to the chairs because you know what, they've just acknowledged that their beliefs in science cannot explain morality or truth. They can't explain those things. So the fact that they're staying back and they're saying, no, no, you know, all my beliefs, they can all be explained. That's not true, they've just acknowledged that they cannot explain where morality comes from. It's just there, really interesting. And I mean, from a Christian worldview, we have an explanation for morality. We go to the scriptures, we see God as the foundation, his character, his nature, for all things that are good and right and holy and righteous and that is the standard that we all look to. He has ingrained that within us. He's written the law on our hearts. We can explain that, but from a secular evolutionary worldview, there's no explanation for that. So, you know, they got some missing pieces or there's some holes here. I've got serious gaps in my faith that require a supernatural answer. I mean, I can't understand and fathom the complexities of the universe all on my own. I'm a Christian, at a church service, someone had a hurt shoulder and they said, my shoulder really hurts so you pray for my shoulder to get better. I'll be honest with you, I have about 5% faith that that's gonna work out. But I prayed for him, I put my hand on his shoulder and I said, you know, I want this shoulder to get healed in Jesus' name. And I walked away thinking, oh, no, another disappointed person who didn't get healed today. Well, the next morning that person called me and said, you wouldn't believe it, my shoulder feels 100% better. I still don't have a good answer to that, but I just know every time I get an answer or an opportunity to exercise my faith in a supernatural way, I wanna take that opportunity because I just don't know what the answer might be. It could be something terrific. I got a little nervous when he said, oh, there's major gaps in my beliefs. I'm like, whoa bro, like sit down here. I hope you're not one of those people that just like is all wishy-washy can't be certain of anything. But no, he's right. Honestly, like there are a lot of gaps that are filled with the supernatural, right? Cause the bottle is filled with the supernatural. Of course, like it's not just this like, you know, whatever, like everything's normal, like whatever, no, but it's like this crazy, like crazy stuff happens it. And I think that's epic for us to, it's epic. It's epic for us to acknowledge that. It's important for us to acknowledge that. And we shouldn't shy away from that. We shouldn't be like in this mindset of like, I have a scientific explanation for everything and how the burning bush, you see the carbon dioxide within the leaves and it was probably springtime in the Middle East. So then the wind, it's like, no dude, you don't need any of that because we can say God is power. If God was powerful enough to create us all, right? Create everything, like man, like everything so intricately like made and it's beautiful and that's wonderful, right? Then he's powerful enough to do the supernatural things, including healing, including miracles in the Bible, including miracles today, like all that is within the span of God's power. And so we shouldn't shy away from that. We shouldn't be ashamed of that and we should embrace that. Science is all about understanding what we can understand and in science you're pretty much not allowed to even consider the supernatural because it's beyond testable hypothesis. It's beyond anything that you can evaluate in any what we might call an objective manner. We are comfortable with the idea that we do not know something and we say we do not know something and that someday we might find the answer or we may not. Okay, he's saying, you know, if we don't know something, we're honest. At least we're honest in the scientific community. Christians just like to insert Jesus there. It's like, they don't know something. Insert Jesus, now it works in the scientific community. Oh, here, we admit when we don't know, but the fact is they don't. The fact is when people hold to a secular materialistic worldview, they continue to acknowledge things like love. What is love? Love is not material and yet we all acknowledge its existence, right? What is love? What is morality? What is good, right and wrong? What is true or false? These things aren't material. We can't grab like a pound of logic or a pound of love and carry it around with us. These things are all out of the material space and yet we all acknowledge that they're here, that they're real. So even though there seems to be a nice acknowledgement that, hey, if we don't know something, we'll let you know because we're people of science. They live life as if they actually do hold to those things that are immaterial that cannot be proven. Like right and wrong and love. There's a lot out there that we can't explain that has absolutely nothing to do with my beliefs. I was raised Catholic and I'm just as confused now as I was then. Oh man. Oh man. We continue on with this idolization of apathy, almost an idolization of uncertainty where somebody that says, I don't know. Like I just don't know. Like it's beautiful and it's terrifying and who can really know anything about the universe or anything like that? That is idolized. Those people are seen as humble. Those people are seen as ideally enlightened people. But when we actually realize God has revealed himself to us in the scripture, right? And he has given us everything we need to know him and it's we don't need to live in uncertainty. And I think a lot of people when they really cling onto the religion of science, because what is science guys? Like science is just the exploration of God's creation. The exploration of nature, of all that he has done. And it's simply trying to analyze that and find out why things work this way, right? But when people cling on to that as if it's their savior, right? Like they start from the beginning and they say, well, I'm just gonna explore as if I know nothing from like a, you know, close mind, whatever. But it's like, no, we should begin at the point where we say, God has already showed us in our heart, right? We all know that God exists. That's where we begin science from. We all know God exists, but we simply suppress that truth and unrighteousness. That's what Romans one says. That's where we begin the scientific exploration. It's not like a, we're going there like, I'm trying to prove that God exists or God doesn't exist. It's like, no, we come with the presupposition that God does exist because he has already revealed himself to us. I believe in life after death. Well, I'm so glad you're with me because I didn't want to figure out about myself. When I was a kid, I asked my dad if our pets would be waiting for us in heaven when we died and my dad said, no. And I was shocked and I was like, why would there not be pets in heaven? And my dad's like, well, there are animals. And I'm like, why not my animals? And he's like, well, they're just like a generic cat and a generic dog. And I went, wait, what? And so at that point, that's when I started to question like, wait a minute, what happens next? And yeah, I'm kind of with a lot of you guys here just saying that look, wouldn't it be great if we could go on and on and on? But I think because we don't see any evidence for it, I have to be in the camp of, well, we get this one shot, make the most of it, do the best you can. And then when it's done, don't have any regrets. Live with doing as much as you could that is good so that you will live on in the memories of those who stay behind. She's clinging onto this idea of good, right? She has this thing within her that says, yeah, I want to do something good. Even though I'm denying that truth about God, I know I want something to be good, do a lot of good before I die, right? And she continues to pull from the Christian standard because according to, according to man scientists and they've already acknowledged it, they don't really have any standard for morality except that they know, that's all they're saying, they know, and I believe that's from God. We know what is right, what is wrong. But unfortunately a lot of people deny the truth about God because they love their sin because they would rather feel prideful of like their own discoveries, their own lives as opposed to submitting themselves to God. Don't listen to the wisdom of the world. They're gonna tell you that if you believe the scripture, you are a science denier, that you don't believe in actual truth. But when we look in the scriptures, that is the foundation for how we know what is truth. And from there we derive what is right, what is wrong, how we ought to live our life. Science can give us none of that. And it is a terrible savior. It will do us no good in the long term. Yes, do science, but acknowledge the foundation for how we do science, how we know truth, why we even explore because we know the creator has given us this as a gift. Thank you so much for watching guys and I will see you next time. God bless.