 with Todd being on the show for 1986, we decided to invite him back for 1987. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. We're happy to have Todd LaTorre, Queen's Reich lead singer here with us again today to explore. What's going on here, Alan? What's going on here? We've got a little promo happening. What's going on here, latest album? Pick it up. There it is. There it is. Pick it up. Thank you. You know, the next time you have somebody else on here for like 1988, I'm going to feel a little cheating on you. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. Hey, you know, 1987, man, you know, I look at our list. I think it's the year of the comebacks. And at the same time, I think the cracks were starting to show. There was some stuff that was just kind of like treading water, nothing too innovative. If it worked the first four times, it should work the fifth time. So we're interested to see the list. There's some reasons why some fantastic albums behind me may not have made the list. And again, many bad, some bads were starting to break up. So the tensions, the touring, the stress like docking, you know, back for the attack was probably their last album for quite some time. And that's just a few examples of we're starting to see, for me, the cracks are starting to show in 87 a little bit. So I agree with you, Alan. It's what we had was hair metal moving in one direction and thrash in the other direction. And then sort of like the guys who've been around a while kind of losing the losing a little focus. Would you agree? Yeah. Yeah, I think I think our list covers all of those items generally. I think big business that we're starting to see dollar signs and they were kind of influencing, you know, signing docking generation five by this point. So so real quick, I have my I have my phone on up here so I can see people commenting and chiming in. So thank you to everyone for doing that. Somebody's asking what I'm eating. I tell you, I'm eating real feta that's imported from Greece. And so last time I was I was going to the refrigerator and I have all my snacks and everything right here. So I don't have to leave and you're right. I only only the most observant viewers are found on the metal voice. So they picked up on that right away. And now we are ready when you are Jim. Okay, so as you guys can see, I've also have the pictures. It's gonna be some PowerPoints here with the album. So let's start with the number 10. You ready? I'm just gonna say this is Alan's pick right off the bat. Okay, four years in the making. Four years in the making. I'm going anybody that's been watching the show Anvil, Strength of Steel. We know we try to get Anvil into every show that we do. But this one's with Samarit here, getting burned by the big boys losing focus and trying to become the next Bond Jovey, Lips redirects the band to back to their classic sound. And I think the guitar solos, the drummies and even the lyrics are some of the strongest they've ever done in their career. That's saying something for a band that's been around since 79, right? So again, for me, it's a strong album and four years in the making. And when it came out, I think I bought it within the first week of it coming out. So that's how important it was for me to pick up that album after four-year hiatus. It's definitely a metal looking classic. It's got that look too, doesn't it? Following the, of course, Strength of Steel, Metal on Metal, Forge of the Fire, their tradition. And they actually got a video. Documentary. Not to rain on the parade, but I didn't know who they were until that documentary came out. A lot of people didn't know who they were until that documentary came out. Okay, but Todd, did you think did you think they were a real band or is like a spinal tap documentary, a mockumentary? No, I thought it was a legit band that just didn't get their fair share. Some guys thought they were actors. No, I thought they were, I mean, the passion, when you watch that thing and they're playing these dives and they still go in with every bit of heart and soul into those performances. It's like, they're obviously doing it for the love of it and the passion of it. And I just thought that was so cool. And then we played festivals and I had seen them at catering and like they were on the same billing or whatever, you know, the big festivals in Europe. And I don't think I ever met them. I think I met the singer once for like a second. But you know, I really learned to appreciate them as people and like their passion to do what they what they love doing, which is playing and writing music. So that that documentary opened me up to a band that I had no idea was on the rise and doing that big stadium show with Metallica and everything else. First time I saw Anvil, they were opening up for Aaron Maiden on the Number of the Beast tour. And it was, you know, back then they were just, you know, that was sort of like, I would call it they're just starting to peak, right? And then people are just grasping onto them. And anyways, this album, Strength of the Steel, it is a surprise for me, Alan, because I kind of like shy away from sort of that mid catalog of Anvil. I love the later stuff and I love the early stuff. Even though this is their fourth album, I love that. I love the hard rock and guitars and the drums. And it's a really cool album, you know, that's why I wanted I wanted to talk to Todd, put on your drumming hat now, you're singing hat, your drumming hat. He's a great drummer. He's an awesome, he's an awesome drummer. I wholeheartedly agree. One of my favorites of all times for sure. Of course, that's the back cover that really threw everybody off with the what appears to be a potbelly here and the puffy, puffy hair. They said, that's not the Anvil. We know. Where's the drummer on there? Rob Reiner. Rob. Oh, there he is. Looking totally so young, man. Yeah. And you know, he's got such a disposition. You know, if you see him crack a smile, it's almost like this nice little treat, because he seems just really serious all the time. But I did, you know, yeah, awesome drummer. All right, let's move on. Yeah. All right. Now, this is so right before the show, I talked to Todd about this. So Alan, you're not a privy to this. This was version 7.2. I go, I want Manowar. But then Todd goes back for the attack is one of my favorite albums. So I go, okay, let's just cheat here a little bit. Number nine is Dawkin back for the attack. I know Alan, you wanted back for the attack on there. Got it right here. I love that. That's my favorite. Todd, you could speak to back to the attack and I'll speak to Manowar. Sure. I mean, I was a little cheating between our show. We can do what we want. I think I mean, that's that's my go to Dawkin record. And I have all the albums. I love Dawkin. One of my all time favorite bands. The other day I was out doing stuff in the garage and I had the whole back for the attack album on before we even had this on the list, by the way, I just always love that record. There's every song on it to me is awesome. And I mean, that record, you know, honorable mention for that record, was it the breakthrough album for them? No, I would say I would say like, you know, under lock and key was a was a big record for them. But that's my favorite Dawkin record. And dream warrior, right? The song dream warrior. Prisoner on there. Dude, I know them all. I can play all those songs on drums. I know I know you can sing every guitar solo with your mouth. I mean, it's just so good that um, yeah, I mean, that's that's that's a it's a very noteworthy album to at least mention since I think it's one of their best selling albums. Alan, I mean, I'm not gonna argue with Todd, because it's my favorite album too. I was I wasn't too I you know, I heard the first Dawkin, then I heard, you know, alone again off of tooth and nail and some good songs, obviously, because I can appreciate them a lot more. But I was going for more of the heavier stuff and not the melodic stuff. So this album took me back to a much more heavier sound and and more more rootsy sound. And it is my favorite from the catalog as well, even though it's it's got deep, deep tracks. There's not that big hit like alone again, or, you know, a few of the other songs from the other albums. It's but every song like Todd said, it stands on its own. And it's it's really great. And again, the, you know, George Lynch's guitar, what more do you want to say? Yeah, it's a killer record. But but just so that your viewers know, yes, you need to explain the criteria, because some people will be like, that's all right. So so here's the criteria. We do what we want. First of all, we would do we want that's criteria number one, we do what we want at the end of the day. But the criteria was a very key factor as to why some of these are the way they are. Exactly. So sales, import, you look at the sales. Well, Jimmy always looks at the sales. I look as it's a mix sales. Is this a genre defining album? Right? Is this the band's go to album or breakthrough album? Right? They're known for this album. And there's also critiques choice because a lot of time there's great albums like let's say Anvil, but maybe the right manager wasn't there to push it to where it needed to go. Right? So there is that factor too. So it is because you could say, you know, the Anvil didn't meet the sales criteria, but maybe that was a breakthrough album for them. And we're going to go through some of these albums where they certainly, even though they're not my favorite from the band, they were that album that really put them up on up there and got them. And I just want to throw out another point, you're talking about criteria. Okay, guys, we're not 2021. We're 1987. So when you say, well, it's not a metal album, that's a hard rock album compared to what? Pig Anus today? Or pig vomit or whatever you want to call it? No, we're comparing it to was at the time, right? And at the time, I'm getting hungry now. Everybody who was getting lumped in together, you know, whereas, you know, KISS, who did a disco album in 79 was all of a sudden released their most metal album in 82, right? Because everybody was jumping on the bandwagon. So that's what we're comparing it to. We're trying to go back to where our headspace was in 87. And also, upon reflection, some of those albums we loved in 87, do not stand to test the time. So we're going back and revisiting some that we might have missed the first go around. So that's very well said Alan, very well said. What is metal today might not necessarily have been metal back then, but vice versa, right? Yeah. So here it is. Now I want everybody to comment. Number nine, it's back for the attack docking or Manowar fighting the world. And I kind of was leaning more towards Manowar. And I'll tell everybody why maybe it didn't sell millions of copies back then. But they did define a genre. They started this sort of, you know, hail to the Lord and all that stuff. And, you know, they, to this day, yes, to this day, they are selling out festivals all around the world. This is like a band to contend with, right? Maybe in the U.S. and Canada, they're not that big, but in the rest of the world, they are massive. And that album fighting the world is their breakthrough album. That's the go to when you think of Manowar, you think of that album. So tell us what you think. Manowar or docking for number nine? I'm going with docking. All right. I'm going with Manowar. I'll be the, I'm splitting it, because you guys, you guys came up with this unbeknownst to me. So I'm, I'm deciding with Todd on this. So what does everybody think Manowar or docking? Well, okay. Based on the criteria and genre defining, I would have to go with Manowar, even though I'm not a Manowar fan. I don't think that was a genre defining album for docking. It just happens to be my favorite. And that's fine too. That's fine. In that context, you know, I think Manowar had a bigger impact within the context of what we're talking about. For that reason, I'll go with, I would go with Manowar, even though to me it's, you know, not to, not to drag this part on, but look at it this way, docking sold maybe like a million copies of their album where Manowar, I don't even know if they hit a million copies today on that, on their album in the US, but I mean, Europe globally, I don't think they hit a million copies on fighting the world, but it's known as the album, right? Over the years. Right. Yeah. The back for the attack record, I don't think is the known album. It's people will go for tooth and nail or under lock and key or something like that. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why we put an earlier dock. I think it was under lock and key onto our top 10 that year because it was much more of a representative of what docking's peak was at that time. So it doesn't matter. I'm glad. I'm glad the back for the attack was on my list and just to make my top 10. I'm glad we slipped it in. Somebody is saying, you gotta agree. You have John Katsudas. Oh yeah, Johnny. Yasu. Yeah, he's saying Yasu guys. Yasu John. It must be late. All right. Okay, here we go. Number eight. Here it is. We'll let Todd do this. It's all yours. It's all yours, Todd. We're gonna sit back. Okay. Number eight. I'm probably gonna catch a lot of shit for this, but I don't care. It's all right. It's all right. Because it's not metal. It was back then. It was hair metal for sure. But one of my favorite records from this era is number eight, White Lion Pride. I love every song. Wait, Todd, wait. Okay, go ahead. I love, I mean, Vito brought his guitar. There was a lot of guys finger tapping and doing all that stuff, but he had a more, I don't know, something about his playing just poked out more. It was all those little tricks, you know, like in between the chords, he would do these cool little, little things. And I just thought it was really fun, you know, fun rock and the songs had hooks and it was melodic. And I don't know, man, it's just one of my favorite records. I still, I still love the Lady of the Valley. I mean, all the songs on that record are so good. So my cousin, and I told you guys this, my cousin was a guitarist, a really great guitarist. And back then he would play this album over and over and over again. It's because it was a guitarist, guitarist album. That's what it was. Guitars love to listen to this stuff. Yeah, you know, it's melodic, it's fun. And you know what? It was a sign of the times that band, that music, that style was reflected what 1987 was about. Totally. And it sold two million copies. So it hits critical critiques choice. It hits the album sales. And I guess, what else? And it's a sign of the times. The worst pairing I've ever seen was White Lion opening for ACDC and blow up your video tour. Wow, that's not fair to White Lion. I don't see the ACDC crowd like. Exactly, exactly. We were all a little bit lost. But you know, we, we appreciated weight and you know, like you said, Lady of the Valley, the songs were playing. But again, that was in 88. So this album came out in 87. So it did take a while. But when it took off, oh boy, did it take off? I think it stayed on the charts for a year actually. So. All right, so I'm going to read some comments here. Okay. Great to see a musician, I guess they're referring to Todd, not me and Alan. Yeah, well. Enjoying a conversation about music like another fan. Cheers Todd. Right on. And thanks. But I'm not the only musician here. Yeah, Alan is. There's another, there's another slap in the base. There's Alan, too. Alan, too. There's another singer on this show right now, too. Alan. Yeah. Jimmy. I have a little singing and I play a little guitar and I play keyboards. Yes. Stamatista. Oh, good, good, good. Good. Very good. Alan. He's saying stop. I mean, Jimmy, Jimmy was in a band called Truant. Well, there you go. Is this on that? He showed me a picture. It was so fucking cool. He has his cool jeans vest on and he's got kind of long hair and he's got the mic and he's doing his thing. So he understands, both these guys understand when we talk about music because, you know, they're not just listeners, but they actually play something. You didn't see Alan singing and play the bass. You never saw that picture. You never saw that picture. We taught him. I gotta show you that one. I gotta see that. Go out on top. One show here. Retire. Put the bass in the corner. That's it. That's it. All right. We're going to number seven. Number seven. Oh, I'll let Todd speak to this. I know he's a big fan. There it is. Savatash. Coming from Florida, right? Yeah. All the Mountain King. And I, yeah, I'm friends with those guys. And I mean, that, that's such a good album. And, you know, that, that title track, you know, when they play live concerts, people like to hear, you know, sirens. When they start out, people just lose their shit. And, and they, you know, it's just such a killer song. They're an amazing band. John Oliva is a great songwriter. And, yeah, I mean, that's like one of the all time great Savatash records. I mean, Streets is great and Edgithorns is great. But boy, that Hollow the Mountain King record, I still listen to it. And like 24 hours ago. Yeah. Great, great opener. Strange, Strange Wings or Strange, what's it called? You know, it's like, that's a classic, that's a classic record. So that has to go in this list for sure. I remember when that came out, it was kind of like, what, what happened? They're not hair metal. They're, they didn't want to classify them back then. They're Prague. No, wait a second. They're heavy metal. Like I think they're just classic heavy metal. Yeah. Just great metal. Yeah. But again, it goes back to what you were saying, Jim, you know, we had like a thrash and hair hair metal kind of competing. And then you had these bands that kind of, hey, whatever, you know, Iron Maiden is still a good band, you know, we should sound like them. And let's carry on that, that pure heavy metal tradition. I think this is a great example of that. And like I said, I miss this the first time around. And I'm glad I was able to revisit it for this list today. So Todd, when you look at the list, oh, sorry, go ahead. No, metallic Phoenix says, Todd, thank you for actually reading comments. Most guests don't do that. And by the way, I'm a huge fan of the metal voice. Yeah. Thank you for the nice words. And you know, I think that people, I'm just a fan, just like everybody else. I'm not, I'm not special. I'm not separated from anybody else. I'm the same as everybody else. It's, I don't see myself as up here and they're done. We're just on the other side of the barricade because I happen to be on stage. But believe me, when I'm not on stage and I, and there's bands playing that I love, I'm right in the front at these festivals. I'll go right up front, right in front of the barricade in the photo pit. And people will be like, they'll see that that's me. And I'm like, singing just right along with them. I'm a fan of this stuff too. So very cool stuff. The next, the next band, we're definitely going to have some, some, some kickback. Some kickback. Hold on a sec. Hold on. Where are we? Okay, here it is. Okay. I gotta set this up. I gotta have to set this up. All right. Tell me when you're ready. Don't show yet. I'm sorry, but this had to major. Okay. So this was, are these guys metal? Do they deserve to be there? Have they sold enough albums? And yet. What? So here we go. Check box check. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I just, oh, it's okay. Was anybody not in favor of this band on the list? Well, I don't know. We got trashed last time because we put, you know, thinking about putting David Lee Roth and Van Halen. You were one of them. They said we got one of those two guys. The kickback's coming from Todd. No guys, listen, I mean, you know, I talked about a comeback album of comeback albums. This is four years in the making as well. But look at side one. Okay. Woman, women, rocket, animal, love bites, pour some sugar on me and I'm gonna get in it. That's, that's the greatest hit album. That's the greatest hit album. Plus you got the Hysteria on side two, right? Hold on. Read side two. Side two is Gods of War. Good song. Don't shoot shotgun. Okay. Run riot, Hysteria, excitable and love and affection. So you have to understand when this came out, this played on the radio 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Like just one song after another. It was huge. You couldn't go anywhere with, that's why I never bought it until 20 years or 30 years later because you didn't need to. It was playing on the radio all the time. Yeah. I mean, look, mutt Lang, I've watched, I think it was a behind the music on that or it was about this record and like the layers of guitars were so ridiculous. But you know what? Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to make a record like that with that many guitars. But you know, one guitar is going gung, gung, gung, gung, gung, gung, gung. Then another one's going gada, gada, gada, gada, gada, gada, gada. Then another one's going doodle doodle doodle doodle. And then one's going bring, bring. So you add all this and you just get this wall of sound that is just like, and those, those vocals, those backing vocals had such, they had that air. Remember back in the 80s, the backing vocals had a very air, like a breathy airy quality to the way they sounded. I mean, they reinvented that. You can hear that on the White Lion album too. You can hear that kind of backing vocal air. But you know what? A lot of people don't know this, that Rick Allen, he didn't play the drums on Pyromenia. He didn't play the drums on Hysteria. He just did a little bit of cymbal stuff. It was all programmed drums. He didn't play on Pyromenia. It was all drum sounds. And was it programmed? Probably it was programmed stuff. And you would do like a little cymbal stuff. And you can look that up. You can look that up. You can look that up. It's just, he was probably there jamming the band, rehearsing with the band. Then he had that big accident, right? Yep. And that's, yeah, he didn't, he didn't. And it's unfortunate though. He did have that accident. He did lay some drum. He probably did the scratch tracks. That's what I would think. And then they sort of like overdid it. Because Montlang had that specific drum sound that he was after. Well, why did it take four years to release that? Well, because they had Jim Steinman as the producer. And then they sort of bought him off and he quit. And then Rick Allen went to an accident. Then they wanted to produce it themselves. And they go, okay, no, we can't produce it ourselves. So then they waited for Montlang. And, you know, I heard that Nigel Green, the engineer did most of the work on this album. Why is this guy, this guy's saying Aaron Alcott is saying, I really hope Todd is looking up his factoid as we speak. I don't know what he's talking about. I guess they're saying, are we looking at the facts to what I'm saying here. That pyromenia. And again, look, if I'm wrong, by all means, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I remember. Hey, Jimmy. You know what they say to that? All right. Again, again, taking Def Leppard at the time, even though Def Leppard never considered them a heavy metal band, they were lumped in with everybody else. And trust me, after this album came out, everybody tried to sound like Def Leppard as well. So it's true. It's true. They had a little bit of a sweet sort of back focus. And I think that's where it came from, from the band sweet. That those big, big, airy back vocals. But the question is to everybody out there, is Def Leppard a metal band? And do they deserve to be on this list of 1987? We say yes, but maybe the fans say no. Yeah, but still, are we saying these are the top metal albums of 87 or the top albums of 1987? I don't know. We should have thought it was a little unclear of the concept. We should have made it more clear at the beginning of the show. They're not, they're not a metal band. But maybe back then they were followed by the metal folks. Guys, they were lumped in back. For sure, if you asked anybody back in 87, if these guys were pop dryers, they were full. If you listen to like, you know, full and back then, you know, that was it. That was, that was it. How about this Todd relating to Queens, right? You had the VP, right, which was metal. You had warning what was metal. And then you had Rage Florida. Was it metal? And I asked you this question before, is it metal? It was coming from a metal band, but it really wasn't a metal album, right? I don't really know. I don't, I don't consider that like, but again, going to what Alan says, in the context, if you hear a song like Screaming in Digital, okay, maybe that would be metal. It was very forward thinking at the time, for sure. So Queens, right? Was opening for Ozzie. They weren't opening for Tiffany. Yeah. Right. Right. So, right. All right. All right. Next. Let's move on. All right. Let's move on. All right. Here we go. Number five. This one, this one. Unless first, I'm going to show you that. I'm right here. You ready? I'm dedicating to my good friend, Steve Rod. There you go. Here he is. Here he is. There you go. There you go. I dug it up. I dug it up. That's like 78. You dedicate that to Steve Rod. Oh, sorry, 87. Oh, I thought it was 78. You're right. Yes. This is what I'm talking about. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that beauty. Look at that. I'm the man. I'm the man. I'm so bad. I'm the man. Anthrax, Among the Living. Among the Living, which of course- Is that the back of the record? This is their EP that they released after. Yeah, I'm the man. Oh, okay. I'm the man EP. Caught in a mosh. Indians live. I am the law, I should say. Yeah. But again, you're talking about genre defining, right? Yeah. You know, you got the skateboard look. You know, this is actually a rap song here. I'm the man's a rap song. They got the hats. They got the shorts. Everybody was moshing. Look at these guys with the shorts. I remember wearing these shorts like- Jams. Jams. For two summers straight. Everybody wanted to look like Scotty. And with the hat flipped up and those shorts- Jams. You know, they were, you know, they wanted to be Metallica clones or Megadeth clones. They started their own niche. You know where I learned the word jams from? From Florida. Being in Florida. Everybody was wearing jams. I haven't heard that term in ages. It was bathing suits when I left Montreal, but when I went to Florida it was jams. Jams. Wow, that's funny. I always thought that that album cover, I remember seeing it on a t-shirt from somebody in school. And it just looked haunting. When you look at the cover, the other characters don't look as, on the t-shirt, they don't look as, I don't know, haunting. But when you look at the t-shirt, it looks more sinister. On the cover it's a little cleaner and not quite as scary, but I remember that guy with the hat on the cover of that record. And I always loved the guitar tone of anthrax. Even to this day, they've got a really, you know, I don't know what kind of amps they use. I don't know what they're using. But I always loved the crunch on it. The mids were kind of scooped out of it. And, you know, I know that was a huge record for anthrax. I'm not a big fan of that. I'm not a massive fan of that album. I like Cry for the Indians. And, you know, but there are other anthrax records that I like better. But I know that that was a monumental album for the band. You know what, and this is a great, Marcy says a great point here. That album cover is from Poltergeist. Yes, that's what you're going to say. Yes. Yes, that's the character in Poltergeist. Poltergeist 2 or 1? In 1. In 1. You said it was 1. I thought it was 2. The priest, the first priest. Wasn't it the first priest? Like those two priests, the older guy and the younger guy? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's the second one. I know it's from Poltergeist. I don't know which one. So we'll ask our viewers out there. But yeah, that's the use of Poltergeist. No, no, I'm screwing up with the exorcist. No, no, Poltergeist. Yes. Oh, it's Poltergeist. Yeah, it's Poltergeist. You said Poltergeist. Get your factoids right. Yeah, you factoids. We're going to start checking the factoids. What the? But again? Rick Allen, what the hell's going on? Rick Allen, it didn't play on the stereo. Hey, it's called getting your post-engagement stats up there. All right, Jim. Number 4 has got you written all over. What is it? I'm going to finish with number 5, Alan. Oh, sorry. I just want to say that when you think of anthrax, this is, and even the band themselves will say, this is their album. This is the album they're known for. This is the album they play, you know, like guys are going to play the whole album from start to finish on tour. Right. This is the album. It's not my favorite album, but amongst the anthrax fans it is. So I think it's a great album, but it's not my favorite. I think my buddy, Stiffrod, I think you wore out the groove from this one. Good old Stiffrod. He wore out the grooves. I mean, that's how much he liked this album. Stiffrod used to help us carry the lights when we went on interviews. Good old Stiffrod. Stiffrod holds my towel. All right, Alan. Go ahead. Number 4. Oh, no. You go ahead. Oh, no. Sorry. Me. It's true. Okay. Number 4. Number 4. This is your favorite album. I'll bring out number 4. Here it is. My favorite album. Number 4. Grease is the word. Keep going back to that well, Jim. Keep going. Never get the word. It always works twice a third time. Keep milking it, Jim. No. Number 4. King Diamond Abigail. Very similar to Iron Thrax. This is the go-to album. They've been playing this song, or actually they've been playing this album on tour from start to finish many, many, many times. They have videos released on this whole album. They even came out with part 2 of Abigail. King Diamond is known for this album. This is probably one of the amongst King Diamond fans and I'm one of them. This is the greatest album. It is. This is the greatest album. It always will be his greatest album. And that's all I got to say. I think I just love it from start to finish. I met King. I met King. You know what I did? As I was talking to King, we're just sitting there chit-chatting. I was talking to him. He said, King's talking to me. And we're standing there. He was waiting. I was backstage with Andy LaRocque. Okay. Because long story. But he invited me backstage. And I was there and we're standing around to go and introduce you to King. And then King's there. He starts talking to me. And he's talking to me. And then his baby comes. His wife brings his baby. His baby's there. King and his baby. And it was bizarre. Great meeting. He sacrificed his baby. I was so touched. I ended up hugging him. And I ended up hugging King. And it's kind of like, whoa, what are you doing? Yeah, I would be a little freak, too, Jimmy. You just go and hug me out of nowhere. Anyways, King was amazing. Very, very down to earth. Again, something very unique. Let's say that for me. It's very unique. It really stands out. Nothing sounded like this as far as I'm concerned. Nothing on this list, at least. Yeah. Any thoughts on King Diamond? My friend Andre Van Show is an awesome singer. And he sings in a King Diamond tribute band. And he does the full makeup. His voice sounds just like him. He knows all that stuff. I don't know a lot of the King Diamond stuff or merciful fate. You know what? I love the music. But something about the really high falsetto that sounded falsetto-y and less powerful, like a Halford high scream. This was more light. Yeah. It never resonated with me. And I know I'm going to catch shit for it because I'm supposed to say, oh, everybody's fucking great. King Manson, get on the King Diamond bandwagon there. It's kind of like me. I'm just, look, I have immense respect for him. As an artist. And I like the mid-range and lower singing that he does. It's the really, really high stuff that I just don't connect with it. I try a million times. But I love the music and the band. It's awesome. I've watched interviews from him. He's very well spoken. He seems like a really nice guy. But for me, I'm just not well versed enough in his material to comment. But I do know that people that love King Diamond love that record. I do know that because I have friends that go bash. That's me. That's one. I'm one of those. Like, I love everything King Diamond. I love his voice. It's kind of like his greatest asset and his greatest liability. I know Alan, I try to, I try to, Alan, listen to this from King Diamond. Alan's like, you just, it's the high fall set of that sort of sometimes drives people away. But to me, it's his biggest asset. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he really takes his time writing albums. He takes his time writing the lyrics. He takes his time designing assets. It's the whole, he's the real deal, man. He puts everything he's got into shows and into his music. We played one of the last shows we played on the, one of our European tours in 2019. We played, oh, what was the festival? I think it was Summer Breeze. And we had a really late bus call. And me and Michael and some of the crew guys, we walked, Casey was with us. We walked out to see it was totally dark. So the set looked amazing. All the lights and this beautiful, I have video of it. I think actually on my, on my YouTube channel, I have some blogging kind of vlogging footage where I'm watching the King Diamond show from, from out front. And, you know, the, the, it's a whole show, right? It's not just like get up and play song. Yes, yes. It's, it's very theatrical. It's very conceptual. And so you're getting a really full experience with his music, which makes it that much better as somebody who just enjoys watching shows. Yeah. You know, but anyway, that's, that's, that's my three cents. All right, are we ready for number three? I think. Talk three now. We're gonna talk three of 87 people are already guessing since we started the show, even before we started the show. Yeah. All right. So somebody, somebody, somebody, hold on, somebody named K-Man Reborn says, learn the story, Todd. Learn the reason why he's singing, what he's singing, and you'll get where he's coming from. I'm not have, I have no contention with the storyline or anything he's doing. I'm not really sure of the sentiment behind text, but my critique or criticism, whatever you want to call it, is I don't like the sound of the really high stuff that he does. That's just my opinion. I'm allowed to say not really. He's got some great deep tones though. When he sings low, he's got some very deep tones. I like the lower stuff. It's just the really high stuff. I just, I just don't care for that tone. And that's it. But everything else, I, you know, I think it's great. Yeah. All right, Alan, you ready? We all agreed on this next one. Pumpkin heads unite. Here it is. Here's number three. Oh, I see. I caught everybody off guard. I caught everybody off guard. Number three. That's to you, Mike. You guys thought it would be Greece. It was. Today's show about to you, Mike. And now brought to you by our sponsors. Number three. Here we go, guys. I got the creeper of the keys, part one. See, I got, I got one and two here. I got one and two here, by the way. The CD here is one and two. Even though I have the album somewhere, I think I have my parents' house or something. I actually prefer number three over, and I'm all the keepers. I prefer three, but that's just my opinion. We're talking 87. So this makes the list of cores with Mr. Michael Kiske. Oh my gosh. Stand back and let the little boy sing. What do you think about his voice, Todd? Now you got to put your singer hat on. Put your singer hat on. You know, I, when I heard growing up, I think I said on the last show where I learned a testament and all this, I learned of Halloween from the show called V32. And Halloween, they had a video for that. You know, down to get down, down to get down. Masquerade, masquerade. Down, down to get down, down to get down. And I thought it was like, and he had a very Jeff Tate, Queen Drake, you know, all those, the crying inflections, you know, that he would do great range. But I love the, I am the one that. You know, it was very dramatic, dramatic. Very dramatic, you know, it's shining on me. That whole, you know, great, great guitars. And I love, I had the record. I still had the CD that I got from way back when it's, it's in my garage where my stereo is. And I, yeah, I mean, that's a, it's a killer. What's the, what's the ballad, the big ballad? Name the big ballad on the record. The time. Alan, what is it? Future world. There's still, I wouldn't say that's a ballad. Somebody comment on what the, what the. Until that wasn't right. Until it wasn't right from K-Man Reborn too. Thank you. Until that wasn't right. Good job. My wife loves that. She plays that in the house. You know, she loves that song. He's great. I mean, it's a killer band. We've played with them a few times. And Andy sings, you know, let's not forget all the great stuff that Andy's done in the band too. Exactly. Now they tour with both singers, which I don't know why, but I guess it's for the whole Pumpkins United tour thing. And that's what they're, if they're still promoting that, I don't know. Yeah, they are. They're coming out with an album. Okay. Yeah. You know, I'm alive or let me look, let me google the track listing. Well, I was there. I was there at their show of the, Derris and Alan didn't make that show. I think you were out of town or something. Right. I was flying to Ireland. The show I anticipate the most I wanted to see. Oh, great show, man. Derris and Kiske and the whole band and you have Kai Hansen. What strikes me about this album? Look, we're talking 87. We're far into the game here. And this is their only, their third album first with Kiske. So that's what strikes me. I mean, I was trying to find Halloween and I didn't have the money, like I said, on the past shows where they just kind of slipped through the cracks for me. Now we visit, I got all their albums like 30 years later. I really appreciate the band. But 87, man, this is far in. And again, another band like Savatage, right? That's keeping the classic metal sound alive. But the rest of everybody else was going in different directions. So there's very few bands that were actually doing what they were doing at this time. And vocally, like I say, he had a very similar approach and tone in many ways to like the early Queensrake stuff. Yeah, you know how I discovered the album? I'm sure it was either a circus or a hip raider in the back. And they're just kind of reviewing the sound. They go, it's kind of like Jeff Tate and Iron Maiden, you know, sort of like between Iron Maiden and Queensrake at a time, right? And I just picked it up because it was a cool cover. And wow, it was just blown away. And to this day, I just love Halloween. Yeah, for me, the first two albums were like Germany's Iron Maiden. That's right. They started getting their own sound, I found. When we listened to it today there, I said, no, they were definitely getting their own sound. There's a little power metal there. There's a little speed metal there. And there's definitely a lot of Prague there. So that's what it comes down to. All right, guys, you ready for this? I'm ready. You know what I want? You're number two, big year, 87. This could almost be 80. This is what I got. Hold on. I want to, let me look at our list. Oh, okay. We're going to have some back and forth between this one and number one. We'll explain why. We'll explain why. On my birthday, July 21st, not 87, but. Okay. So we were talking about comeback albums and, you know, slow cookers like the White Outline Pride. I mean, you want to talk about a slow cooker. Oh, yeah. This is a big. I saw these guys open for Iron Maiden, Seven Sun of the Seven Sun Tour. That says May of 88. And they were just saying our new videos coming out next week. And that was Sweet Child of Mine. So that, that's how long it took for this album to really, really, really take off. But when it took off, I mean, still selling, I would imagine. Okay. This album sold, and I guess, correct me if I'm wrong, about 30 million copies worldwide, considered one of the best overall albums ever sold. No, I'm not saying in the top 10, but let's say in the top 50 at least worldwide. debut album, debut album, especially. I'm going to tell you, this album came out July 21st on my birthday. I probably, I was at a friend's house. He had a copy of it. His brother had a copy of it. I put it on, it was pretty cool. Had never heard of the band. Only to love it. And then tell my friends about it. My friends used to laugh at me. Oh, that's stupid. Oh, that's stupid band. And then there was like something on MTV or much music that where they played like a live show and they were just laughing at me. These guys are losers. And then six, seven, eight months later, they're like one of the biggest bands in the world. And 1988 could have been higher. But Alan's logic is the album only really took off in 1988. But we're not changing the rules, Todd. It was at least in 87. We kept it in 87. We just brought it down a notch. You know, my, one of my dear friends, Froda, he was also our tour manager for Crimson Glory. And he manages a band called Pagan's Mind. I think he still works with Circus Maximus too. But he said, so I guess that puts T and T at number one, right, Todd? He didn't get the memo. Ten thousand lovers. Dude. All right. Look, somebody's like, you know, G&R isn't, isn't metal. Well, that's the big one right here. That's a dresses right now. Okay. But neither, okay. Neither is White Lion and neither is Def Leppard. So that, that ship sailed five albums ago. Yeah. Yeah. But look, this record was fucking massive. And you never, you didn't, you know, the guy's voice, the way that they had great melodies like Rocket Queen. And, you know, I mean, every track on that record is so solid. That record was massive. And even though, okay, it was a late bloomer. So was, so was Operation Mindcrime. Look, Michael and Eddie, they told me they were almost kicked off the hysteria Def Leppard tour. And then Eyes of a Stranger video came out and boom. Mindcrime goes nuts. So actually, even though something came out, you know, didn't get as accepted or, or received or known as well until a little bit later, it was released in that year. That record is insanely good. There's nobody's disputing that. Nobody's arguing that. Look, look at this. This is a perfect example. If they had poor management and a terrible record company behind them, we wouldn't even be talking about them today. We'd say, oh, hidden gem, that album that never really broke. It was because of the people behind them. They're managers that sort of shopped it around. They shopped the video. They pushed a video on MTV. MTV was playing. They got the fan club to sort of call in and request that video. And that's how Welcome to Jungle took off. And that's how we took off so late. This was almost shelved. This was like, ah, it's not really doing that well. The hell with it. This is a perfect example of if you don't have the right people behind you, behind a great product, you just basically collect the dust. Let's address this is not metal. Have you seen the video for Welcome to the Jungle? That's right. Axl's hair. Don't tell me he wasn't influenced by the hair metal of LA in that video, right? Even though the sound is completely different. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. We've got to go back. We're putting on our 1987 hats here. Right, right, right. And we're saying, yeah, trust me, they open for Maiden. Maiden's not a pop band. They open for Aerosmith. You could say they're a hard rock band. That was a good fitting. They're two, two, two are very similar groups. But I mean, they were part of the heavy metal movement. That's why they made the list. Yeah, it was a metal crowd that. And I remember seeing it when I saw them open. I was 19 and all these 16 and 15 year olds are going crazy. They're blocking my view of the stage. They're going crazy. I'm waiting for Maiden. And I get these guys off slash daggers up to them. I'm like, oh, shut up. Oh, jeez, that is a bunch of superstars. Nobody even knows these guys exist. Drop the mic. The next day, I couldn't get Mr. Brownstone out of my head. I was singing it all day long. I just, that song was like drilled into my head. And then you go into the album. You listen to the album. Okay. A few videos come out. And then you see, like Todd said, every song of that album. And years later, like when, you know, after everybody's been listening to you for a year, I remember saying, okay, now that they're all multimillionaires, because this was an angry album. I've never heard so much anger on an album in my life. And not fake anger. This is legitimate anger. These guys were pissed off cats, man. And I said, now that they're all millionaire, I'm anxious to see what the, how much anger is on the next album. And we got stuff like, don't cry. And the, you know, the one with the rain falling that November rain, right? The rain. Fall in your heart. Yeah. So, you know, again, the anger, I mean, money doesn't. And just so you know, Todd, a little bit of history. Makes you a little less angry apparently. And speaking to the anger, just maybe 10 minutes from where we live, that's where they, you know, the riots happen, the guns and roses riots. Oh, really? Yeah. We're, we're Metallica's head went on fire. Oh, that was Michael Jackson. His head was. No, no, James Hetfield. His arm went on fire. His arm went on fire. And Axl Rose sort of like, you know, threw the mic down after six songs and they tore up the streets and overturned the cars. And it was a big one. One of those after Axl made everybody wait for two hours. Yes, that too. That too. So there you go. A little bit of Montreal history there. Todd, any last statement on guns and roses? I just think, I mean, you know, when that stuff came out, I, look, I was a fan of like the Jackson V guitars in the Kellys and like, I saw this guy with this top hat playing a Les Paul. I was like, yeah, I'm not really a blues. I don't really like blues stuff that much. And it was a blues. You can hear blues in the rock, in that record. But man, the guy just his voice. He did really, you know, interesting things. And he had just a unique tone, whether you love it or hate it. The songs were great. And like Alan said, there was, there's this young, you know, F the world kind of thing that was really pure about it. And you can hear that in the writing, in the playing. And I mean, that record today, God, they still play songs off of that. It's who knew that it would be so many years later that it would be hailed as one of the great records of all time. And I think it is. It is definitely. No argument there. And to sort of like say, it's not a metal album. We shouldn't include it. It's kind of like ignoring that white elephant in the room. It's just standing there. You can't ignore it. Well, you know why? Because, because we like had, I had to Google records of, you know, rock metal albums of 1987 to see what's in the list. Like Lizzie Borden. Yes. Where is he bored in? I think that guy's voice is so good. I love his voice. He has a really unique sound and, you know, so their loudness put a record out. But when we go by the criteria, it's like, you know, unfortunately, you got to make some of those cuts. Although TNT tell no tales, wasn't that 87? Okay, that's one of my all time favorite records ever. We'll talk about that in a few moments. How's that? Well, we'll talk about the ones we should have been on. The hidden gems. Okay, before getting to number one, we'll let Todd talk about it. All right, go ahead and say it. Say what you want to say. Say TNT, baby. There you go. His hidden gem is TNT tell no tales. I mean, Ronnie LaTecro's, you know, that machine gun. You know, and Tony Harnell's voice is so good. And I love like, you know, the Knights of New Thunder and, you know, but my favorite is, is tell no tales. That record is just awesome. And, you know, I've become good friends with Tony. And, and we've talked about, you know, how influential that record. And, you know, that record was very influential. And it was one of the, I mean, I could never sing like that. But I, I love, you know, there's so much good melody on there. And any, any fan of TNT, no. He was singing pretty high, man. He was singing pretty high. His voice was, I mean, you listen to tell, I can probably hit that when I was in Crimson Glory. But, you know, it was just, yeah, that, that I'm not going to get into the, the nooks and crannies. Well, where would you put it in number 10? I'd have a top 10 list. Where would you put TNT's album? Of my, of my pro, if we're, if we're doing your own list here, where would you put it? Where would you put it? Of my favorite records among that list? 87, yes. Your friends are watching. I would probably, I would probably, hold on, let me look at, let me look at this list again. I would probably put, I think I would put TNT at number one among all. Wow. I would put, I would put tell no tales above every album on this list. That's right. That's why it's a hidden gem. There you go. There's someone else that just hit us right here. We kind of played one. That and back for the attack for me are my top two favorite albums on this whole list. Okay. CK wants to know, is he from Canada, Alan? And he has a funny accent, I guess, is that you? Alan, you have a funny accent. I have a funny accent. Who would have thought? I wouldn't know. Okay. So you guys ready? Yeah. I'm trying to get back to the comments here. Hold on a second. Okay. Just so, so everybody knows out there, me and Alan, we live 10 minutes from each other, but we actually do this Skype slash Zoom thing. You got a hidden gem you want to throw in here? Oh, I got a lot of hidden gems. Well, go ahead. Throw it in right now. How's this? Todd just did his. You can do yours. Yeah. Give me your hidden gem. I'm trying to find the comment. A band that a lot of people know I'm a huge fan of is Death Angel. Oh, yeah. Death Angel, you know, Ultra Violence. You know, here's a bunch of 17-year-olds, 18-year-olds, skateboarding, second wave of thrash back in 1987. What an album. And what a band today. Also Loudness, as Alan has in the back there, Hurricane Eyes. I love that album. I think it's a great album. It's got a lot of diversity. Udo, Udio. Animal House. Animal House. I think that's another cool album. Does it meet all our criteria? Probably not. Voivode, Montreal Band or Quebec Band. Killing Technology. Good friends. Testament, The Legacy. I think it's a worthwhile mention, even though I don't think it meets all our criteria. I don't think they've kind of developed their style yet. They're not there yet, but it's a good debut album. And Dio, Dream Evil. Yeah. You know, I don't think it's his best, but I think it's his fourth best since his fourth album. And that's it. Those are my hidden gems. Alan? There you go. I didn't know we were loud more than one. Well, go ahead. I don't want it in Jimmy. I'm not a host. I just... You give Jimmy an inch. Look at my shirt. Guys, look at my shirt. What is that? Metal Hall of Fame. Look at that. We said Jimmy just won and he comes up with 12. Well, no, I had a list. Alan goes, we should have some mutant gems. So I started writing it in gems. I'm going to start thinking of things. Well, there you go. I guess I'll go with this one right here behind me. You're rolling out it. Oh, okay. You got it. It's not a metal album. It's not a metal album. That's me. That's me. Aerosmith Permanentification. That was a great comeback. We're talking about comeback. Like I said, year of the comeback. I thought that was a great one. So if I had to... Helix. Where's your Helix? You got Helix back there. Helix. I won't say anything. I won't do like Jimmy and say 14 different great hidden gems or top 10s. But that was a nice comeback from Gary Moore, too, from his attempt at the pop balladry on Run for Cover. So here we go. Now we're at number one. Helix. Helix. And now we'll work from our sponsor. Wait a second. Here we go. Hey, get in there. Ty Luthori. Ty Luthori. I love Luthori. Ty Luthori, have you picked it up? Available on all Amazon platform. So, Alba. iTunes. There you go. They're just bidirect. All right. All right, number one. We'll go with number one. If I open it up, Todd, what happens? Oh, look, you got all the lyrics. I didn't even notice. You got all the lyrics. He's got photos. Oh, look at that. Look at these guys. Angry. Tell us about your buddy there, your writing partner. His name is Craig Blackwell. He's a lifelong friend of mine. Awesome guitarist, songwriter. He and I did the whole record together. And he co-wrote with me. And he played all the guitars and bass and some keyboards on the album. So, yeah. Respect. Respect. There you go. A little bit of a plug for Craig. Oh, yeah. I just want to throw this out because I hit in jam here. Lydia's been writing this for the last half an hour. Good. I think she wants pretty maids. Yes. Future world to be in there. So. All right. And Thor. 87. Did Thor come out with an album? You would love Thor. You would love Thor. All right, guys. Here we go. And I'll explain. Are we both Canadian? Yes, we're both Canadian, except for Todd. He's American. All right, here we go. All right, here we go. Bot this. Oh, that is. You killed the build up. Bot this. The day it came out. The day it came out. And by July, I put it in my closet and then listened to it for three years. It was that massive. Talked about Def Leppard playing everywhere. When Whites, they came out. First of all, I was, you know, this is also an album that took forever to make. Coverdale had vocal problems. John Sykes had 26 tracks of guitar. It was John Collard in there. It was the worst album he ever had to produce. It was just a mess from slide it in all the way to now. But man, the end result speaks for itself. And being a huge John Sykes fan, I mean, you know, this album, again, Crying in the Rain, which was previously released. And he got Bad Boys Still of the Night, which was their Zeppelin tribute, right? Here I go again, which was previously released. But again, nobody followed them when they were over in Europe, right? The biggest band in Europe. And Ozzie's opening for them in Europe. And here, I mean, they're the third on the bill, right? They're all blonde. Suddenly, Rudy Sars has gone blonde there. The ballad, Children of the Night are straight ahead. Rockers straight for the heart. Don't turn away. I thought it was a great, great closer. Give me all your love. They still play to this day. I mean, and this album was instantaneous. When you talk like we said Guns N' Roses, it kind of took its time. Like a fine wine. This, this one hit the radios right away. And of course, the videos with Tony Catan didn't hurt any, didn't hurt any. Flying out of a car. So I mean, it went viral. The videos went viral. And it was like that death leopard. The songs are just being released one after another, right? So, you know, Still of the Night and then Crying in the Rain. And, and then they just, is this Love the Ballad? I think that four or five videos just off of this album. I met John Sykes. I met John Sykes once, too. And he was kind of, he's a really tall guy, right? I'm five, eight. So he's like this really tall guy hovering over me. I go, Hey, you're John Sykes. And I didn't take a picture or anything like that. And that's about it. I met him when I saw Blue Murder play and I got to meet him. I think they opened up for, they opened up for warrant, I think. Oh, wow. So I'm on Wikipedia really quick. And I'm just looking at their studio records. That's the seventh studio album. Yeah, I think so. And I mean, of course, there's remakes, you know, the remake of Here I Go, right? Not Here I Go. Which one is it, Alan? Yeah, it was off of the 1980 album. Yeah. You have two of them on this. You've got Crying in the Rain. And you've got Here I Go again. I mean, think about this. Ten million copies sold worldwide. This was a big Here I Go again remake and Crying in the Rain was a remake. But I was a huge white snake that I'd listened. My friend introduced me to Slide It In. I went back and bought all the previous albums, Ready and Willings, my favorite white snake album. I listened to, you know, I had all their older stuff. And then this finally comes out. Like I said, I bought it the day it came out and then I listened to it, gone crazy and loved it. But it was oversaturated. You couldn't go anywhere where they're doing these songs. And I literally put it away for three years without listening to it. There was no need to listen to it. The songs were everywhere. So yeah, that was massive. I was in another band called Espionage for a while. We played all these gigs, you know, local clubs around here. And, you know, we covered a bunch of stuff off of that. I mean, it was, and like you say, the videos, you know, I mean, they were massive. They were massive. And of course, that's when MTV is like, you know, blowing you off. Off the charts, yeah. Off the charts, dude. God, I wish I was doing. You know, still of the night when I, it's like, is this Led Zeppelin? What is this? What's going on here? It's just the midsection with that, that, that, that, you know, that, that, that violin. It's like, oh, and then his scream comes in right, right, right before the solo. It's like perfection. That's like a perfect hard rock and blue song. I mean, yeah, it's not metal. But back then, White Snake kind of catered to the metal crowd. I mean. So our buddy, Martin Popoff wrote a great book about White Snake. And he really focused a lot on this album. I mean, John Kaladner wanted the Coverdale and Sykes to be the next Jimmy Page, Robert Plant. You know, he saw the potential, two good-looking guys, massive talents, great songwriters. He, he was like, you know, this is Jaggers and Richards. We can go decades with these guys. And by the time this was released, John was already out of the bag. Did he quit? Was he fired? We'll never know. He was, yeah, a fair lot. Let's just say Butting of Heads. He wrote this whole album. He co-wrote this great album. According to Popoff's book, Coverdale was having so many problems with his vocals. But one of the reasons why he had so many problems with his vocals is John was using like a wall-wall pedal or something. And he had 26 tracks. And there's no way he could place his tunings as a singer. I mean, Todd could probably elaborate on this when the guitars are all over the place. It was hard for him to find the right pitch to get into tune, so. Interesting. But you know, I remember reading something about, you know, as an interview with John Sykes and how irritated he was that here's the video, you know, and you know, Adrian Vandenberg or here's these other guys playing and it's like, the guy's not even, you know, it reminds me of the Robert Fleischman. That's right, Vinnie Vincent. Vinnie Vincent. Millie Vanilly. And I think even Just God Soto had a similar situation with him singing something. And somebody else is in the video, you know, I think I'm correct on that. But I know I'm right with the Robert Fleischman. What was the song? It was the first song by Vinnie Vincent Invasion. Yeah. The boys are going to rock or something. Probably. Yeah, yeah. The boys are going to rock. But I mean, it got to the point. John's like, we don't need David. We could go on without him. And then he goes, it's his band, White Snake. I mean, his first album was literally called David Coverdale's White Snake. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I'll leave the sexual imagery to yourself. I didn't do that. Yeah. So, I mean, and John's like, hey, we don't need this guy with full speed ahead. I think, I think that's where he lost the plot a bit. But hey, look to our benefit, we got great album like Blue Murder that came from that afterwards. So. Yeah. All right. Any more hidden gems, guys? I'm sure you have another 20 up your sleeve. No, it's I'm done. I'm done. I'm good too. So, all right. So, guys, there's a 1987 kind of a transitional year for everything we explained. The anxious to get to 88. I already started under some really big hitters coming in 88. So. Yeah. I think there's some interesting stuff. Thrash has really taken, really taken off by then, right? So, yeah. All right. Good list. And thanks for everybody on the comments. I see somebody who's talking about a cool V guitar that they have. Let me see. You know, Eternal Idol. I just want to, I just want to talk about Eternal Idol for a second before we go off. It's a great album. And I go through the criteria on this. Did it sell a lot at the time? No, it did not sell a lot. Maybe over time it sold. It's not like it went Platinum, Double Platinum, Triple Platinum at the time. And it could have, but it didn't. Did the critics love it at the time? Yeah, it was a 50-50 split. They're saying this is not Black Sabbath, right? Exactly. I don't even know who they are. Genre, Eternal Idol, Black Sabbath. Oh, okay. Black Sabbath, Eternal Idol. Yeah. Oh, there it is. Okay. And was the genre defining? Was it like, wow, all these new bands are starting to play just like them? No. So, I mean, it really doesn't really meet any of the markers. I do like the album though. I'm putting, yes, the Shining, I love that song. Yeah. I'm putting my 1987 hat on. I'm pretending I'm back into the record store. Black Sabbath, this is a joke. The album, when it was launched, went right into the 399 bin. You understand? That's how much of a joke. Seven Star, it was a Tony Iommi Black solo album. That was a big slap in the face. They couldn't get rid of a Black Sabbath. So, that was a joke. That went straight to the 399 bin. Then you lose track. Ozzy's exploding. Ozzy's the biggest star in the world by this point, right? Yeezer's not in the band. Bill Ward's not in the band. Dio's doing his own thing. And Tony's there and nobody was following them. It was over for them. So, yes, we visited this years later. I love The Shining. There's some great songs on here. But back in 87, this was under the ground. Back then, think of a band that's completely under the radar today. That was Black Sabbath. You might love the album today, but back then, they were done. That's what it felt like. They're washed up. I like the Dio Black Sabbath stuff. Ah, me too. I mean, they're not even in the same conversation. Well, you know what? Thank you, everybody, for jumping on. Todd, thanks again. Some great insight. Thank you, everyone. And thanks so much for the awesome shirt. Nice, nice. And it fits. It fits. You got one to fit. That's it. I love it. Look at that. Yeah, there we go. We just ordered more because all of our shirts sold out. So, I talked to the company today. They're restocked. So, I'll send both of you guys a warning. Nice. Nice. Thank you so much. There we go. Pick it up. Todd Lattori. Yeah, pick it up. Awesome. All right. Have a nice night, everybody. Thank you, Todd. Good to see you, buddy. Okay. Thanks so much, Jimmy. Thanks, everyone, for tuning in. And, you know, we'll get to 1988 soon enough. Todd, Kalinichta. That's good. Yeah, he's really good. I don't know what he's saying, but he's really good. I like what he's eating. It looks good, though. I said, I'll call you later, stiff rod. Good old stiff rod. If you come to Montreal, we'll introduce you to stiff rod, the legendary stiff rod. He looks like a stiff rod. Bring the grease, album. All right. Thanks, Todd. Thanks, everybody.