 Sorry to see I still not able to sign for December and January, but it's I'm really hoping to make it person to the next one Looking over February 26, I see no need for actions However, does anyone else see the corrections from last minutes meeting last month? Okay, last month's minutes Okay, thanks. I'm sure Anna Hey, Cynthia Yeah, just just wanted to mention this real quick if you have time in between meetings to just pop in during the day or whenever It's convenient to sign that The meeting minutes even before the next meeting. It'll kind of get the city clerk feel a little bit better Yeah, I can definitely do that I See, you know what Tracy would have worked if I did that tomorrow for you We just gave to play my color I'm working from home tomorrow and I Could stop in between 10 and 12 with that because that works Yeah, pretty sure definitely do that Um Hey, do we have a motion to approve the minutes from February 26? Perfect and do we have a second second great. Thanks all in favor. Okay, this moment minutes pass as written Hi, we'll just make sure since I am on Z are there any members of the public In the meeting today No, okay, then we'll move on to new business Monthly ice-breaker did anyone come over here for this last time? I thought it was I thought it was you But no, if anybody if you are prepared just whoever can't think of one I think that's correct So if you had to describe yourself today as you're feeling right now in terms of a potato How would you feel? So I will go first right now. I feel like it's nice to take it off. So that's a very light Personally because I really wish that same day to be at the spring breaks the line They don't even even their three-day weekends for in-service days one does Mondays one does Fridays. Yes, they're completely out of sync And older Valley Valley So the colleges feel like to be you in Boulder Valley at the same one So I feel like a mashed potato today You want to switch there Okay, I feel like a scalp potato because I've been traveling a lot So I feel like you're just like one place just talking to people here, and then I'll be on another Oh I feel like a fried potato My spring break is not until the end of the week. Yes, and so it's like the last death march We'll make it I'll go with seed potato just because it's gardening time and Yes, I feel frazzled and hectic right now with I work from home and Nine-year-old thinks she should be at home this week and it's hard to binge everything And then this is the time of year to start my biggest hobby and that just doesn't seem like a good time a year for that Well, I um I'll base my answer off Just today really that I feel like a sweet potato because over the weekend I received an email from a patron and about Some books on a display and I thought her email while I disagreed was very logical and reasonable and we had a good email interaction and It's it's a case of having a dialogue where you can still not agree and I felt like, you know, I Was sweet, I guess and so was she in that sense. So I felt pretty good about that even though you know We're not going to be in a free event necessarily with this of like a decent conversation It doesn't always happen You know Yeah, it's um, so we had a meeting, you know earlier with our city manager of city attorney around I guess there's a group of heard the ceasefire And they're going from municipality to the municipality Last week we had mlc and I was talking to um some folks from boulder and for collins Apparently So I don't like I don't know maybe a frying pan It's that that's Big family here waiting for I don't know. I guess this part of the business of this day and age You should not be that way. Yeah That's intense So we're preparing for tomorrow What do you need? Tracy Thinkin about it. I'm thinking carboyl Because I feel just like soft Yeah, like I have some really good things going on in my personal life, but just also having that like Really public things Um, and just kind of essentially so that's a good one That was great fun Cynthia Yeah, that seemed very prepared. That's really that's really clever Can you read what's in on here very excellent Catherine said I van Perfect It's a sorry Catherine. I have to tease you All right, um so We have a couple of new business agenda items Really this next one. I think it will take up the most time that they're here pretty quick But let's go ahead and dive into it and Uh, this is a is a catch up so The board will be presenting on with john the library director thinking of report to unsull. Thank you susie um from me to facilitate that and The date in my understanding right now is tvb But I thought uh, especially since john has the final um Report would be nice to to go over again. Maybe Hear from john, um, some of the changes any comments or questions from the board and then If there's anything that we want to make sure and really draw to counsel's attention during this presentation Um, I think this would be a nice place to discuss that Uh, so john if you don't mind I'll I'll give it to you to start if you want to maybe share some of the updates That you've done and anything that you think is really Uh, pertinent that we want to make sure and highlight in our presentation Yeah, so let me bring up the um The current uh, those of you online can see My screen. Okay. Thank you so, um Since the last time I may have talked a little bit from this last time but in between the two meetings I have done a little bit of editing on some of the explanations and um Data points of the report. I think I put this in a packet too. Did I so hopefully Even either if you didn't see it, you'll have a chance to or whatever, but um, I'll just walk through a little bit Of how we structured this so it's kind of in sections community engagement library use is really referring to patron interactions Um that we have so the numbers you see here gives you a little Explanation of what that means So you see this it's it's all defined um, and it's split out between Basically our four departments. So these are reference questions or directional assistance or some combination Uh, basically interactions. So we have a total number here 123 000 means basically the the sum more or less, okay Of of a lot of the numbers in here as far as how we interact with patrons um and then So that's what that is. So that includes reference questions directional assistance tours um Anything like that and then The next section, uh, is broken down into what we call checkouts. So you know, it's Us in library. I always call this circulation But that's not really a common term. So we're calling it checkouts, but checkouts is that but it also Includes some other things. So if you're Wanted to check out books and you would know that this library auto renews for you Or you can do it yourself, but the renewal counts is to check out too. So that's that's how this stuff is added, but um So we have some, uh The first number here digital downloads That's both like ebooks and Databases databases is a little It varies. This is a detail you have to go into a presentation, but it can kind of vary Depending on the the member, right? So but more or less it's Someone comes in and searches in a in a database that'll count or in other cases It'll count because they opened up an article or something within that resource It kind of just depends but It's counted within that Um, and then the e materials for walnut library. This is ebooks and the i books checked out through liby More or less. There's there's a couple other things, but it's pretty much liby Um, and then we put in here the 1.2 million because it's a nice number to show but as you all know we partner with Formerly known as the front range. Well, it still is the front range digital library And it was it was a consortium We don't share anything anymore except for the digital The ebooks and the audiobooks. So we all contribute to that which is great because it expands what we have access to So collectively between log mod boulder Um, brunfield luisville lafayette and loveland. That's the 1.2 million checkouts So with our 225 000, that's what about a quarter Not quite So we have a heavy use of ebook and the audiobooks. I guess is the main point here And then coming down, um into more of the physical checkouts So and by the way, if you didn't catch it, this is all 2023. This is the total year of last year So, uh over 900 physical items checked out 900 000, sorry Holds picked up almost 70 000 volts. So there's a lot of use on that And then it's broken down into areas. So children and teen books adult books. You can kind of see how this gets broken out The discovery passes. I think Is worth pointing out as far as people taking advantage of those museum visits and things like that that are free 100% friends supported Same with library of things We're all familiar with that a little bit, but that's the you know, the tools the yard games and devices Radon meter or whatever car auto detect meter everything So this isn't the whole list of everything we check out, but it's it's the height And then We issued over 5000 new library new member basically things about his membership. Yeah And then my marketing person took out the five top digital downloads, which I thought was interesting because it's This is Libby Is what you're seeing here. So you basically have three magazines a book and then another magazine. So it's kind of interesting to me how that worked out If you know, there's a lot more people still like magazines. This is great though. Yeah. Yeah So that's um Physical checkouts then we go into marketing. This is how we're engaging the community via the newsletter website and the social um, so in newsletters and My marketing person broke this down really well as far as how many emails we're sending and what the categories are Open rate is they open email if you didn't know that and then click rate is if they click within email to somewhere And I appreciated her putting some numbers out of industry standards You can see we have a higher click rate than is generally happens within emails So that's pretty good response rate news subscribers Five hundred and seventy versus the total that we currently have and this is a variety of all these new letters, right? Top newsletters that were open I know That's I mean if that's indicative, right like when are you open? Yes In an entire newsletter. Anyway, that's that's fine They're open But we do send a good variety And then website The 300 plus thousand page views Uh page views if you don't know how web analytics are captured It's more of a how much time someone spends on your site versus whether they just land on it And I'm not quite sure of how that's determined um within this statistics of a software that's used but That's what that means is the views are more of Some of the spending time on your website And then the 10 most visited pages within our site are here Makes a lot of sense of what you're seeing here the library home page and account I would expect there And then also just to point out out of the entire city's website, the library is the third most And that is behind the city's home page, which makes sense the second case curious is utilities because people So, you know in that aspect And then events and programs Um How many events we uploaded to our website Events sold out sold out, of course, we don't charge but when we do require registrations. This is how many have rent capacity Um, and that's pretty good. We mostly don't have reservations for programs Um, even if an application is sent through the website That's something that you can sign up for within the website, which is separate from the e-newsletters that we send out Um, and then pressure releases which we get out and those help a lot Um, social media Top engagements of the year Going by free made sense that that was the top one and then You kind of see some others down here um That had the most hit facebook results Um Which you see some down arrows, but you see down below. I mean there's still good engagement Um, but as and then you see instagram, which is more engagement. So But you would also expect to see some down because 2022 was still active in them Yeah So there was still a lot of in and out of school a lot of people like not going out and expanding their event calendar this this is it would it's You'd have to go back to 2019 to really yeah, and that's the thing. Yeah, the whole you have the pre and post There's that and the fact that People keep leaving facebook for other platforms, which you see at the bottom My marketing personally acknowledged and that a goal of this year will be engage more on instagram As far as the other platform that we use I realize there's only platforms What we're not So that's in essence the report Cynthia everybody Of course, if you've read through it or based off what I've shown you feel the questions. I'm happy to answer any of these things next uh, my question I had right away, um Was when I look at meeting engagement Looks like there are 207 events but then when I look under marketing at events in the program There's a lot of events uploaded to the website. So what I guess I'm confused like what do events mean What what else is being uploaded to the website under that category? Hang on So when you said community evening, are you referring to this 207 outreach events? Yes Yeah, I guess I guess I I guess really the question is how are you how are you? And this is not a huge question. This is more my curiosity But how are you all defining Events in different in outreach versus marketing? Oh, I see. Oh, it says community engagement outside of the library is what the outreach events are. Yeah So yeah, so the 207 is only outreach as an apartment not full library Okay So this is the collective this this 10 55 is the 207 plus everything else All right, that seems like an infinite number to highlight In our report just that the scope they can number and I'm sure the scope is all other than this Yeah, and if you think of this 10 55 like I mean Up 10 55 Events uploaded to the website is every program we upload everything to the website So we basically Provided over a thousand programs in a year. All right. So the thing that keeps and then I left here from the other board members the thing that keeps coming to me from the start part is Our patrons are engaged, you know, there's a number of libraries in the consortium and we're What one of six that we have on this quarter of the materials checkouts um You know third website under utilities and city website. It's just let's see and We are an essential service Or we the library Is an essential service in my mind? Um So that that really this report really was back to me very strongly Other board members, but what do you all think in questions comments about this report? Also kind of smaller things to curious this looks really great It's helpful to have all these numbers put together to kind of get an idea Of all the work that goes on um, and this might be Um, see you soon if you haven't discussed yet, but I Like seeing kind of the social media numbers near the bottom that showed kind of the year before and then that changes To now and so I know this is the first one But I just kind of curious if moving forward if there's any discussion on kind of where we might want to have this kind of Information and other parts of the report as well just to show kind of like maybe like oh, we've served this many more Peaches this year or maybe it goes down or just kind of like what areas we're showing that change or having more activity Up or down might be helpful within their report as well for future years. Yeah, so um You're right and what I can tell you is Um, you're right. This is kind of our first stab at this, right? So You know with with the social, um, my marketing person was able to easily grab that with the other numbers We probably could but going forward that is the plan. So we have been working internally here as far as capturing numbers of um putting in it We're entering it into one common like spread basically that Tracy created and it has a column for percent change What I can do with that and what I'm going to start doing going forward is probably Taking out some of these numbers. I don't know if I'll make it as pretty fancy as this report, but something that Um can show on a quarterly basis like this is where we are now in comparison to where we were at last year and that Uh data that we're gathering will help do that previous to the way we're doing it It was a little sporadic if I'm honest it was kind of isolated everyone was capturing numbers in their own way It was a little difficult to To pull that together. So that's the plan is the shorter answer Great, thank you Don't worry though, that was helpful and uh, mostly just out of curiosity too and that doesn't um This question doesn't necessarily have to go into this report either, but just kind of seeing these types of numbers and they make curious about Um, kind of with the long lot website for the library that like make a suggestion page Looks like like what folks are asking for or like how many events they're Um looking forward suggesting versus folks are just yeah, this was kind of curious what folks for this the library We're asking for online Thanks. Those are really great comments Okay, it looked like you Releasing yourself Maybe maybe not but they're right Other your comments or questions Um library getting your own instagram account. Is that a print of this year? I think We have one. We're just not really engaging in it. Okay, so we oh, I guess that says Yeah, oh, I see so we don't have one And just read I read this as well the first time So that'll be the plan. Yeah. Yeah But I will I will point out though that there's 10,000 there's 8,000 followers in all city instagram And 10,000 followers on just the one line for facebook So yeah, hopefully it won't take you long to fill out those numbers Although I know it is frustrating a lot of city departments don't have their own accounts I'm really glad that the library finally does because not all city departments get there the seniors Love to have their own Yeah, it's a process. So it's really nice Yeah, so so yeah, it's a I wonder how much of a process it is for you guys to get your own instagram account And if you kind of have to kind of start all over, you know, we're I mean, we're lucky that We have our own marketing person I mean she doesn't work for me per se because she's a part of the city's communication department, but I would say 85 percent of our time is only on the library and then a small percentage for citywide activities So I feel like we have someone that provides a good voice for us in that respect and Given the library's engagement on the website alone and just recognizing that I think it Not be a hard argument to say that we need our own social presence a great Yeah, so hopefully it's not too much of a process to to get your own instagram So what some of the things that when we do present Um, I mentioned already the website being the third most viewed website that really does trust me But the ebooks and audiobooks Uh, I think that one of the issues that the library's run up against or that all I raised It was people don't realize how much of the activity is virtual and the support needed for that. So really making sure and putting out the high number of material checkouts downloads and opens yet digital digital use Cynthia's huge as far as presenting because I think there's and even just kind of Thinking back to the election and some of the comments I saw from some citizens was Feeling like well, I come to the library. It's not busy. So why do you need more? Well, why we need more is because we have all these people that are exclusively using our services online And just because they're online doesn't mean we need to support that better if you're staffing and collections How much time will you have to present? Do you know? No I don't much about this process. I have to check in with my boss. Jeff about this to see Well, Susie may know. I mean with presentations. I feel like it's a little more With oil, but it's not like a public comment. We're No, no, we have three minutes. No, there's no time Yeah, please give Continue to turn the tie And Probably understand But So I think it's like mentioning that However, this will go because we're all a little unsure of the the process and format of this Um The limits of writing down really try to decide digital use the number of different patrons for exclusively using these services online And I think maybe emphasizing John, let me know if I'm out of line with what the library is doing, but it seems to me that they're The library really strikes provide equal service uh to all patrons those who use the materials Spaces and resources in person as well as those who are only digital And that the you know, that that doesn't mean staff needed to support that They're really stressing that like equal that that all are viewed as patrons of the library equally whether or not they can make it in person Right correct And I also think the nine hundred thousand. I mean that's almost an item per person of the city's population um, it's pretty it's not, you know, it's 910s of it. So it's pretty impressive that Uh, the three items that are circulating are that they will work as well And I think speaks to the strength of law enforcement's collections um What else are people seeing that? Or john that you think is important as well or susie that you think would really speak from this report What's the population? That's right over It's really what up Yeah, the last the last like, you know before not an official census But it's it's about a hundred thousand I think it's kind of important to to To sykia's point to kind of have that in perspective because I'm just bloated by five thousand new library cards That means that You know five percent of the population of long man And obviously it can also be people outside of the limits of long man But still like that represents five percent of long man New library card that just is mind-blowing for one year. Yeah Especially when you think about the fact that we don't Are students just out of nothing in my brain right? Yes Yeah, true true Yeah, I think um, I mean With with the engagement with the library of few people are physically here. I think is a huge part. I think also So But when it comes to the community engagement part and just seeing the number of people we're interacting with because a lot of these numbers are Largely in person numbers. Some of them are Digital because we we've received a lot of text messages and things through Email and our ask the library inform, but there's just that's a lot of engagement of people Interacting with library staff Um, which I think is important As well Like I don't know how you can get this data work. This is something readily available through other cities Handle reports, but just comparing some of the numbers as far as being conserved or Events and programs To be able to compare with other Municipalities are sometimes I mean, no, you know, if it's I mean, if it's that's a good that you're gonna have to be Digging for don't don't bother. No, I mean there's Through the state library. You can you can run you can look at anyone's library numbers And in fact, I've done that and I'll even address it a little bit in this meeting when we talk about Our budget requests coming in the next year because a lot of what I did was point out of libraries Of similar size and how much more they're devoting to library services than we do my point being that we need to catch up Yeah, so that you you can get the numbers Well, we're public also there does I was not able to find it and this is a very quick minute guys. I think the other day they do List there's pretty easily come on their website. So that would be an easy one Yeah, that's mom and boulder is one of You know, it's a little more realistic just because the population it's more than log mod But it's closer, but then you get it It's just the name of other neighboring towns and populations are half of log mod Although some of that can be telling Like when I'm looking at what we're spending on collections and things like that, you know Within our own consortium like loveland who's smaller, but The amount of of dollars we're spending on collections and programs is the same or more than log mod I don't want to go too far outside the numbers and that's always too big to read too much in your book safeties, but Thinking about that is just putting out the number of staff interactions I mean 70,000 like reference slash information. It's it's amazing. Um I think that that has to speak to the Word like the friendly nature of the library staff Um, so I think that's something to to add as well Um, I don't think you get that if people are not comfortable with the approachable nature of the library stuff I don't think you get that if people are not comfortable approaching the desk Okay, other that's all I can think of for this other questions or comments for this report reporting on And john if you just will let us know once you hear Uh From your boss kind of what the time frame looks like for presenting for this that would be great. Yeah I I think it would be in april As far as I could guess, but I I just not sure which which date equals so I will follow up and then You know once we have a date whoever is planning to present we can Certainly talk through this a little detail Great and as chair, I will be happy to if it works with my schedule and it should so I'll prioritize this But if not, I'll I'll reach out We'll talk to the vice chair to the rest of the board numbers and see what the interest is Okay, moving on to our next library agenda. You're right back to my right screen. Um We had I John and I talked about putting this on there. Uh, if we wanted to consider moving the Meeting a little earlier. However, I did remember that We have to set the meeting times and dates at our annual meeting So that did I don't really is a non-starter? But maybe something we consider for the next annual meeting which we'll get to the next bullet point Um, if people wouldn't want, you know, 6 30 meeting time I know we all such busy schedules. Does that make sense? Is that we're creating sooner? um, okay that brings us to a library board membership under a business Hopefully y'all saw the email from Tracy and Both my and Rianna's term are ending in june 30th 2024 I will not be eligible for Reappointment to the sport. Uh, I think we'll be termed out. Um Rianna you will be it is my understanding as well So I think that's just of interest. If you get that is of interest or use me to consider um, so we will definitely have At least one vacancy And I'm wondering to see or john, do you know when or susie when we Wouldn't the new appointments will be workforce I can look it up I got looking it up. I got that email from several different people. So the city's marketing is on point, but I don't remember I saw a number of places so the deadline is friday, april 21st And we will be interviewing applicants on saturday june 17th So april 21st is the deadline to apply a deadline to apply And then they'll come to council on june 17th and then That following tuesday is when we Make our decision In between applying in june 17. They think We at least in the past the board Does our conducts our own interviews and then passes those on to your yeah, that's why it's hard for that meeting So there'll be a longer time for you in between And so I'm not sure I need to look back and see what happened last time But I'm just assuming that those names are passed to us from the city Um, I guess you probably trace it to the city and then we'll sort of those interviews with those candidates The city clerk will send them to tracy and myself And maybe the board I don't know but at least to us Yeah, and then we'll pass them on and then the board can come up with um A panel and a decision on interview dates and then Whoever that is, you know, those names then get passed on back to the city clerk and then to city council for that interview Hey, so I'll add that to a leader agenda Well, wait giggle 17. Yeah, there's no later agenda. There's no later agenda. That's our next our next meeting, isn't it? Yeah, okay, so um, let me I I did all the questions that we asked last right? Um And I was thinking There are a couple of things that we need to look at and then who is interested in Interviewing that I will be um, but one or more. I think that'd be great. It's not community to the side right now but once we know the dates maybe Hopefully we can have at least one other volunteer for one or more of those dates and then The the questions we shared last time I put them in the chat hopefully that works. Um but I like these questions. Sorry, like I didn't wear my mouse today, so my I'm trying to go from one speaker to the next and my person's like all are in the space Wait Wait, is this what I have written down is our questions from last time for new Board members who are in a meeting? um I mean, there's a little word sniffing I might do one of the Can you share a little about the impact people in public libraries come to community? Uh, I think you rephrased that can you share about the Importance with community rather than impact. Um But that's a very small thing. Otherwise, I'm happy to continue with these questions But John, I wanted to ask you and I wanted to ask the board members I mean from my perspective, they're perfectly good questions As a library user I think that's a good point in my mind I'm kind of keeping that broad because I think that people in the community, um That basically I don't mind where that experience is coming from I think that If somebody does have experience with another library that add Perhaps like the richness of conversation in these meetings any other questions or points are about that Okay, well, let's go ahead and just um keep those questions um If all right with everyone and then we'll wait you get those names and figure out some dates I believe they can do that over e-mails since it is Like how the nerd logistical business is my understanding I'm there will be nothing to share about content or discussion And I also would love to encourage all of us to share Uh, this vacancy with feeling it might be an appropriate fit for having a strong interest I I'm I try to follow city You know lists serves and so on and I did not hear about this or anywhere else Which makes me think I should sign up for more lists serves And I've heard people that have not I've heard about this either Other other there's another piece to this agenda item that we could discuss um, but anyone else have have comments on the either Sharing the word or the process for interviewing new board members So here's the other piece. Um The annual meeting is Where we set the daytime is is the second meeting Of the board after a new appointee So I will be stepping down before that If that makes sense um, so That means there needs to be a special election for the chair Before the new members come on Um And so I just wanted for that out Uh, no need too much to volunteer right now Um, but in my understanding and I'll double check this Is that that will be The meeting after Like the first meeting after I'm not on the board anymore. Um There needs to be an option Yeah Yeah, and then the annual meeting would be depending on when the new person's appointed It's the second the it's not their very first meeting. It's their second meeting And that is where other elections Can be Yeah Yeah, but the other elections of officers, I guess I guess technically you could like elect a chair for a month, um I don't think that would be worth it, but uh The election of other officers such as the vice chair, um, the friends of the library liaison Would happen at that annual meeting the second meeting after the new member joins Cynthia when when um Mark's term ended though when he was the chair I feel like the election of you being the next chair happened before he was done Yeah, it did but I don't It did I mean that doesn't mean we did it right Pointing out that we it was all settled before he was off and we had new members We can we can check into this Yeah, let's check into that because that makes way more sense I mean we have to run the election for one thing. So I think my understanding is Basically preparing that because that it makes much more sense to elect somebody You know to about these one meeting We handle I think Tracy and I can look into that and then Great, I and then maybe in in the next meeting in april To talk about that and then even in may there could be an election if I'm right That would be great. And then I would be there for the june. That's what marked it I would be there for the june one, but somebody else would be leaving Thanks, man Other concerns for other interpretations Goodbye I am happy to answer any questions about What the chair's responsibilities would be? One thing that mark and I Did after I was elected he didn't meet and and he just had to share his His approaches and procedures and his stuff on and I found that really helpful So I would of course be happy to do so with whoever Whoever takes this position Um, and actually that's so you don't feel like you would just be thrown in With no guidance Hey, well, let's move on and that's our other thoughts on this agenda item I just have a quick question. Aren't we already doing the person like we need to Do It's a five person is a five or I thought we I want to think we had one spot vacant, but I I could okay I feel like we may be getting And we have five right now I think the question is Katie as well I think the question is whether it's supposed to be a five or six person board right If we're losing both Rihanna and and Cynthia at the same time, then we would have two vacancies coming up. Well Rihanna is though She's not term limit. No, okay. Good Rihanna can stay just a matter of Or how that works Cynthia can't yeah, she's she's coming up on her limit. Yeah, okay, okay But just wait does Rihanna have to reapply if she wants to do a second Catherine can answer that Sorry Catherine I mean we can laugh about it now There's a little communication error with counters My little I mean it was bigger than real anyway Yeah, so she has to reapply But I mean we can look in that too. I thought it was a five person I don't know when I look down to the well in one meeting where they have four vacancies and things. There's just a general application I don't know That's like meeting that there's a vacancy and then they need to have it filled or if it's just so that if there needs to be an extra person Because the last time there were board and commission You know the process for doing this the library wasn't in there because we had our whole live roster That was my understanding so I feel like it's five, but At one point it's yeah, I know because I'm Katie As well That's right Yes, he did Yeah I Yeah I don't know why the downtown long line website has it and But I don't know why it would be wrong But when they because they have the library board meetings on the downtown long line calendar And in the details it says the library board consists of five members afforded to serve three year terms I don't know why they know that on their website, but why would it be wrong though too somebody provided that information to them But when I googled it there they came up before the city website did but so somebody still gave them that information I think and I would have to go back and look There is some confusion and Catherine and I first were on this board about the membership And so I think that it might have been wrong two years ago, but it's right now It's kind of like my vague memory of this Yeah, Tracy if you could if you could check that that'd be great. Um How likely did I am definitely No, there was there was a there was confusion over the membership a couple years ago for sure I don't remember that. Oh, there it is. Okay. I finally popped it. I found it on the the city of long line code It is five members. It's two dot 60 Dot zero two zero Right, thanks That seems pretty cool. So um Other comments before we move on to old business great. Well next step is just a budget update and um We have that on there because I think it's going to be I mean, I really want to communicate our Uh, sorry. We thought I'm so breaking our support or the budget to consult Uh, thanks John. I'll just pass it to you to to go over it right now. It's By the way, I mean I can't hear about it, but I can tell that you can okay, so um what I thought I would do is um kind of walk you through because you know, basically the way this all went down last year, you know, I Put in and we talked about it here at least for one meeting of the budget request. I was going to do um and because of last year with the decision of I None of my budget requests that I put to the city were approved because it went to the election So my intent this year is to pretty much put all the same budget request back in With some modifications, you know, either to the numbers themselves and there's a couple of items I won't put back in there and I can kind of talk through that so Um, I I can share again and kind of walk through. This is basically the Presentation I did last year um with the city so I'm going to skip through so that the budgeting process they have what's what's called level one and level two requests Level one are things that you can't control Right, so think of like utility rates going up like you have to have the budget to cover it So you put it in there, but it's something that more or less has to be approved and I have a few of those because of Increasing costs, right? So we always get a percentage increase Usually to like database subscriptions and things like that. So that's how that's calculated Those will be in there again like this and it'll probably be a different number Um, but those will be in the level one. I got approved last year, but it just wasn't real significant So when I was asking for the real meat of it is level two And you can almost kind of think of it as this is what we would like to have right I mean, so I had requested a pretty substantial increase to staffing staff training and professional development And my justification for that again comparing the other libraries Who spend significantly more than we do our current budget for this is only $5,000 for over 75 people Um, and so that's that's what that is I don't think I put this in the packet, but I could next time I think is of that way people or I can put it in some version of this But let me let me just get through this. So Mileage that's because of outreach. We didn't really have a mileage allowance. Um, and we need to So it's not real sexy, but it's there and actually this one got approved this year Same with telephony because we have more people with work cell phones. So Um uniform I put in more we have a very nominal amount now But I'd like us to be presentable if we're out doing events or things and have coordinated uniforms and such but we don't have a budget for it So I have to basically pull it from somewhere else within our budget Um, you think about other departments that we're facing within our own division of recreation who You will never not see them in a polo shirt or a hat or something that shows where they're from and the library doesn't have And then we get into collections So this was my last year request to increase our adult book collections. This doesn't mean a 36,000 dollar budget This means adding 36 to the existing amount of 100 and some thousand so The justification here again This bottom paragraph gets into Comparing this to other communities that spend substantially more than we do on collections And this will be reflected throughout so that's adult collections Children same thing right a different amount, but the same logic Um, and this is a lot more because we currently spend a lot less Ebooks in e audio Um That's adding to the current budget of which I think is like 95,000 So we're spending about 20,000 more would put us more in the ballpark of what someone of a community size would spend on e content Same logic for children to the audio and ebooks programs and events. So this gets into A budget that is not existent currently in this library that almost any other public library has we've talked about this before We are right now 100 funded by the friends of the library or we don't do programs and events in this library So This gets into adult what we're going to take so In again the numbers may change, but basically Last year I was asking for 10,000 that would be a combination of supplies and then it would be ability to bring in presenters of some sort, you know contract people an author maybe Um In like a big author event. That's where the friends were coming, right? So something larger That our standard budget wouldn't have but this this is an absolutely be a part of our operating budget as essential as collections and so Same for children and teen same logic almost the same explanation and again, I get into what other libraries spend on programming events Uh And then we give some personnel Um Temp wages, you know, don't worry too much about the language there because that's city language was basically our part-time staff and so they they kind of come out of a bucket of money and We need increases to personnel across the board, but temp wages is a way to Uh, I mean it's the existing part-time staff. We have but what we don't have Is the ability for any of those part-time staff to work maybe extra hours because we have a need for them Like can you come to this outreach event and help? What happens now is if they do that they have to trade out hours for a regular shift, which then shortens the library So the increase is both a need and in a way for us to be able to Well, I want to use the work path, but it's like a contingency You know so that you can afford for somebody to work a few extra hours that week because there's a need for it Right now we're so on the line that no one can work an hour more than we hire them for And that's I just don't think that's reasonable Um outreach is the big ass I had last year will be the same this year So we have outreach department of one as you all know um, so the additional staff would be an amount of Money that could hire either the part-time and or some combination of part-time enough in a three quarter or full-time And I know I'm going through but I'll I'll give this out next time so you can read through my justifications Uh a full-time library to support our our current outreach library So my current outreach library would become basically a division head And then have full-time out library and supporting them Um That's what that is This is the coordinator and what I'm going to take to My existing person up to a level of being a division head And then they're on the supplies budget You know, um to support that to think of outreach right now It's I I refer to it as a department just like we have adult Children teen and circulation and tech services Outreach isn't considered a department right now I'm I'm thinking of it as a department and that's why you're seeing all these numbers We need to make it a department basically Um, we get into more collections. So new digital projects. I'm sorry products Um, that number would get us more in line to get of what we should be spending on digital materials for a population of this size And if if I'm asking a hundred thousand, you can see how far under we are Uh, which this paragraph explains Um, some spend as much as five or six hundred thousand a year We spent less than a hundred um Do's do some subscriptions. It's it's kind of a combination of things but um So some of it's like maintenance agreement and things like that But some of them are new so that's why it's under a level two That's exactly what I was wondering what that was not what I wanted. Yeah, okay um Yeah, I'm actually trying to do this quickly Although I indicated a 150 so I wonder if this actually should be That's something I'll write changes here. Oh, yeah um We have the computer lab coordinator. There's three quarter time our computer lab is busy We added teaching classes twice a month This person is responsible for all the staffing schedules and coordinating and of these classes and coming up with the topics and the schedule of staff And doing the trainings for it So it'd be good to have that position and be a full time which obviously doesn't cost that much More temp wages or circulation departments same reason of it as everybody else There's just no way for anyone to pick up an hour or two because someone was sick instead of a short staff Um, the storefront library had been last year and I I doubt I'll put it in this year This was sort of to go in there a lot with having a branch library and to kind of show what Having a different type of library would look like um I still want to talk through that with my boss and some others of whether I put that in but The amount it would take to staff a storefront library of being 1.3 million um, it I don't want that to over then it looks like I'm asking for millions of dollars in the budget It's not realistic to do this this year. I need to get some of these core stuff done So I made up with that in this year I wanted to hire a consultant to do strategic planning. I may have made up with that in this year We have some resources here that help with that The bay and I would still like to do so our outreach department has a vehicle instead of doing mileage and allowance and having them Do wear and tear on their own car? This was never to come out of the budget. I was going to use our motion fund to support that And so that would still be my intention So there's actually no budget impact on this other than Be coming from a fund that we could spend from which does take library or um approval So I haven't brought that back here yet, but And that's it That's the the quick run through of the budget because Thanks so much Chad and I'm sure we'll continue this discussion in the next two meetings I was looking at what we had shared with the council last year in terms of The board's support for the budget as well as some specific items we had mentioned Most of which are we covered Besides outreach programming These two collections one of the things Then we're going to finish and last year it was increased cost for materials to arrive food process. Is that still Yeah, so That that's included and I know I I went through the explanations fast But within any of the budget requests I have that are for collection increases That's in part to not only increase our collection allowance, but to account for the pre-processing charges To base to get our materials shelf ready when they arrive That comes at a cost of over four dollars per item So that those numbers of collection increases is both right is to account for those Processing charges as well as to increase the collection budget in general that we need Thanks other questions or comments about Kind of these top level budget requests, and I know sounds like we'll receive This in a packet or another communication. So if you go to a brief details later But any other questions for right now One thing I'll point out to real quick Catherine before you go is that Just on the pre-processing and I think I've said it before but Because we already embarked on that it effectively means we have a collection Cut this year Because we're still paying for that, but we didn't get the increase to account for it. So we're buying less materials Sorry Well, and I think a lot of it was really we were hoping that I think we put our aids in the basket of Fallen was going to pass or the ten ballot bidder would pass And so I think we were just two on the side of optimism Don't really plan for putting that stocking money aside and really You know funding these in the event that the ballot measures didn't pass. Yeah, I mean I think Catherine that the timing of all that I mean When I was presenting this budget to the city manager It was that conversation that came up that this would go into the ballot initiative not as a budget request So effectively council really never saw this Yeah Not in any meaningful way I mean at least from the council perspective, I don't know, you know as far as well my perspective is that's all very reasonable Possibly cause people to not support this. I'm trying to be strategic instead of angry Or maybe like use my anger in a strategic way I mean, I think with the opportunity this year Catherine that This will be there's no election that involves the library this year This will be a budget request that comes through the city manager and then on to council so, I mean I think having these conversations and having the board an opportunity to Either come to council right to council or what in between now and budget time and kind of You know get in their radar and in their ear about the importance of this that timing is now Well, and I'm going to jump into a couple of the things that I heard and this was prior to being on the board with our last record Is I would hear from a couple of council people who said well, we didn't know that the library was under budget We didn't nobody came to us and like well okay, but I have issues with that but You know, so like you had suggested, you know come I think with the you know presenting the annual report Is a good venue and an opportunity to insert, you know what the needs are and you know to keep a robust and system and You know It is that is equitable that is sustainable and you know, we look at it as you know At our goals and objectives. We have places of amenities. This is an amenity. So there are several Components of our that the library hits as far as what our priorities are So I think finding a way to to to combine those to make connect the dots for council As well as you know, keep keep reiterating. You know, this is a need and this is You know, this is what we're asking for if we want to you know to have a robust system This is what you know, these are This is what needs to be allocated for for the library. I hope that answered your question Do you have to when you meet with city manager office? Do is it It's are they like partners in trying to help you come up with a budget to present to council or they kind of you the final is just council kind of rubber stamp what comes out of the city management office or You know, it's it's city manager's office trying to help you prepare for city council So, I mean that's actually a good question for me because in my somewhat short time here, I haven't experienced a true process Yeah, but um The way I I understand it is, you know, I work with my boss and then the assistant city manager that oversees external services which is recreation and culture on a budget request and then I have an opportunity to present that to the city manager um the finance chief financial officer all those people and everybody else and I believe that then the City manager and others will go through that and they will present a budget packet to council Right, so by the time this gets to council it may be some Of this or all of it ideally or like last year they didn't present anything So council that that's kind of the way the process works So that actually leads me to another question in front and thanks for asking that okay, um So we will be presenting any more importance to see very somewhat You just said it sounds like it would be appropriate to to share about the needs at that time our earliest intention Beneath we have communicated by email this board's support of budget items in the past Are other boards communicating in terms of budget needs with council like different manner? I have not seen anything from you know parks and red or planning departments I've had Heard things from public safety, but that's those emails really came from the union So the um the f.o.p. Yeah, so it's it's a different It you know, it's a different structure there. So, um, you know, they're advocated for their officers So it was that But I think as far as from hearing from other boards board members I I am not But actually that might be kind of a good role model because You know board Stewards are professional at this and so that it might be good advice to kind of take what you've seen from the police Stewards as kind of what what the options available to us are to communicate to council So right now We'll be taking a council not reported. We'll be emailing council It sounds like not yet. Then maybe after Next meeting we could discuss that We sit out of communication in june last year. I'm not sure if that timing should have been earlier We last year it didn't matter, but I'm not sure in an ideal world with that tidying should be earlier And in may rather than june um Or if you've missed seeing anything in terms of strategically meaning getting this Sure I can't think of anything different. I mean, I see I see this board is very active compared to other I don't hear um, I think It's for the museum advisory board. I think their biggest thing was they all contributed into the There's a friends of the museum with their capital campaign. I mean that's You know, they were pretty adamant about wanting to play a role in that regard But as far as you know, what what the rest of council hears it's I think this board right here is really active in the sense of localizing Concerts, right I think Susie for that context. I think that's helpful Well, I think then next let this will come back to the agenda Next month most likely and and maybe at that point we can discuss as a board What our recommendation the council will be and what we want to emphasize was in that recommendation Other comments or questions for this agenda item before you move on Let's move on to reports. Uh, John, I'll just hand it right back to you for the director's report Okay, um a couple things here. I think in the interest of time um I won't go through the monthly highlights of programming since that was in the packet And you're welcome to look through that and ask me questions It's the same as I've done in the past as far as sort of pointing out some of the Events we did this last month in the impact we have um, but what I will um address here our couple things one is um We have planned um Our annual all staff in service day Which is going to be may 17th on friday. We do this every year at least the last three years And so I have um arranged With a couple of presenters to come in and um Do a one session on What we call trauma informed care Which some of you may be familiar with that and so It'll be a session on that on Working with the public each other and a little bit of self-care kind of a theme this year is a little bit of self-care and Concerned this year about staff around so I want to have a date that kind of focuses on You know, yes, how do we still take care of the public but that how do we manage ourselves in doing so? um, so that's a big theme in that presentation the other um presenter I want to bring in um hoping more on the edi realm or de i realm however you like to say it and um that one will really focus on allyship and um Supporting each other through Experiences that staff can face and have face such as microaggressions and racism or other things Either from the public and hopefully not from each other, but we still need to have a better sense of this to support each other so big two big themes there um One of the reasons I wanted to bring this up to the board here is my hope for these presenters is um to pay for their presenter fees through our motion fund um because they I don't have the budget for it in my standard budget um And I think it would be appropriate the motion fund Outline of how we can spend that is very broad. It's just basically for any library purposes. So there's really There's really no rules about it as far as a fund and how they're structured Sometimes they can be very specific on what you can spend it on um, so I actually have two things there one is very specific to staff day the other is I want to um Use some motion funds to help support our summer reading program um, this would largely be in the support of Getting back into the the temp wages category So right now, um, we don't have enough hours to support the summer reading program. We do I had hoped that minimally I would have gotten the temp hours I needed Within children to support summer reading and I didn't obviously um, it wouldn't take that much it would maybe Be about I think I say not that much, but you think about multiple staff in three months I'm looking at to pull out about 20 000 from the motion fund and then another um 6 000 for the presenter fees For staff day For so for summer reading that allows some of these part-time workers to work extra hours during the summer And really support that program at the level with that we would like to support Um, and then the presenter fees are what they are, which I explained Um, because it's the motion fund um I can spend from that, but it it does need um a board uh motion that that says For what I've explained the board of degrees that would approve Be pulling from that fund for these things Okay, thanks so much John. Well, it sounds like there is a boat motion that the board needs to make I am happy to make that motion. I'm very much in support of both of those items. So I knew that the board Permits use of the most sure funds for staffing to help support summer The 2024 summer reading program and for presentation fees for staff development during an annual and service day I'm tracing. I'm happy to support that Kevin said a second or wait and we do have a second At this point we could also discuss as well in my understanding through rules of order so all uh The motion is been made in second in and I'll open the board for any discussion Okay, thank you, Janet. Katie any comments? Uh, no Thanks, it's our figure Well, then at this point let's let's go ahead and move to the all in favor I I see three hands and send a suey She said I'm not showing up on it right now. It's not connecting with me the camera, but that was an eye. Oh, there we are Okay, so the motion passes unanimously and and john you have the board support For the use of those funds. Tracy. Do you need me to repeat any of that? No, we're good. I got it Thank you. You're awesome. Yeah, great Um, yeah, thank you Certainly helped us a lot with these uh, couple of initiatives. Um, what is that word? So it's the name of the person Um, or people the family Mosher is there is there a table? Yeah, it's something that I wasn't aware of when I first started I found it out by accident Someone at the says something about the Mosher fund. I'm like, wait, what is that? That sounds like money. I have and So basically, yes, this family, um committed a certain amount to vote only the library and We can spend only on the interest accrued In this particular setup. However, since no one has been spending on it There's a sizable amount there Which makes it a little bit easier to to pull from it for these things and not feel like I'm going to complete it Right. So even what I'm asking for is is a fraction of what's there? Um Yeah, I just say Mosher. I didn't I didn't care obviously like that's like of my new detail to whether or not It was a yes or no for me, but like just curious Just to check in I'll tell you to a couple of years ago the board covered my room or details Uh, kind of revamped and set procedures for approval of use of those funds, which is So that that that is also kind of a newer process. Um, okay, and then The last thing I have in my Director update, I wanted to update the board on some work that A committee within the library and I have been working on to revise our request for reconsideration Uh, also known as challenges to the collection or programs or displays or exhibits And I wanted to revise this part partially because it's outdated and also in part because And I think I might have mentioned this the last meeting but the state was working on a Our legislatures were working on legislation To basically have a banner book bands. Well, that that's been Died that died in committee Uh, it's it may resurface in a different form with different sponsors at some point Um, but some of it made sense and in the parts that made sense are what's informed some revisions That I want to make here that I just want to share here in case there's any questions or concerns Which I would like to walk through with you here So if you've seen our request for reconsideration form Some of this will look familiar mostly before So this is all we have available right now And this is not on the website nor would it be I'd like to keep it where people have to come and get it But we've been talking about this so we've revised some parts of the form itself that someone fills out um The important things to point out are You will notice in the form that you don't See what city you're from because it's assumed you're in a long line. And if not, then you don't get to fill out this one Um, the other part is a library part number. This is new Or what I should what I should say is this would be new we haven't known this yet um So staff agree, uh between residency and the fact that if you're a library user, you should have a full access library part and then you have the right to Challenge or fill out a reconsideration form is something that you object to Many libraries do it this way. So I'm not inventing something over there um And it kind of it helps eliminate groups and others from outside This is what happens in a lot of other places around this country where people flood the system because they just file challenges because there's no policy in place to prevent it Um, so there's really no need for that. It's kind of setting ourselves up for something that is unlikely here Uh, but I want to make sure we have it in place Is that what part of the long line library tax? No Yeah, our service area as we call it in library land is the city of Um, and then a minor revision I say minor we used to just ask what they were requesting and let them free text it But now we have options so you can choose one of what you're challenging Um, that's the case Um, and then all the other questions are the same. I think that we ask now Um, a little statement at the bottom We provide us a little bit That it will be reviewed by myself and as needed professional staff and I this used to say that it will go to us a committee Yeah And sometimes that will be warranted and sometimes it will You know, so I I didn't want to have it there that we formally have a committee and that someone wants to see minutes from such a committee Um, because I don't always need a committee Sometimes it's it's very clear to me what the response is. So I usually confer with staff, but that might be more informal Particularly if someone is the selector for that area of the library that something is being Asked to be considered That's one change there Otherwise, I think The rest is the same. So if they're if they're Challenging a program or a display or collection the program isn't canceled the display stays up and Our item stays on the shelf until this is resolved That's always been the case Um, I share these with the library advisory board I think when I was new here I didn't do that. I shared with you after the fact that I mean make sure before I respond officially to A patron that may do this And then my decision is final and you will hear within a month. So that's the form And then all of this appears new and so We never had any explanation of requests for reconsideration. We have a collection development policy which Kind of outlines a little bit of this and how we go about it our philosophy We have a display program policy, which explains that so people know how we come up with Displays or programs and how to Comment on that. So I've added We as a as a committee here in the library have a lot of Information here as far as How does this come about? So what do we do here? This is kind of a summary of our collection development policy and display It explains some things as far as things that are obviously critical to us right first amendment freedom to read Free access to library materials for minors intellectual freedom all these things that inform how we operate as a public library So people have the opportunity to hopefully look at that before they might reconsider To understand where we're coming from that would be the ideal situation Um, will that be on the website that document this document will be on the website And then it will say at the end if you still want to form come into the library. Okay Yeah, no, I do want this Yeah You know some of the some other items in here so Just because we have in our collection or it's a program doesn't mean You know, you know, it represents our viewpoint of something which is which is true Um, we have a statement in here about a public library not being legally responsible for children while in the library Which is really important for us. I think a lot of times we get complaints as people feel like You know, we weren't protecting their child. Well, that's also not our goal That's the role of the parent In our guardian or whoever is in charge of that that child That's always been the case of a public library And let's see Did I put this in the packet by the way? Yes, it's just like the form I think it's all right because my marketing person formatted the form Yeah, but this part up here is the same So that okay, so you might have had a chance to look at it or not But at least you have it and we can always follow up on this a few after this meeting if that's warranted And then after all that it basically says okay now that you know all this if you still want to File a request here and here's some other things to consider. You have to get the form from here only It won't be removed or canceled just because it's under review um And then The statement which would which would be new that you have to have a full access card and be a The way we phrased it is um living within the long line public library tax payment service So that would not include that in another neighboring um And then some of these are new and some of these I think are good and a lot of libraries do and also This is a little bit informed by some of the legislation that might have gone through In part right so You can only have one request for consideration active at any given time so we can't get people putting in One person putting in for multiple things at the time And an individual or group can only put in two per year after that you have to wait Um Once it's um Upon resolution Either the item the display exhibit or program Can not be challenged again for three years So we've instituted the statute of limitations in some way How did I come up with three years because that's what a lot of other libraries do Yeah, so in case you're gonna ask that question Um You have to fill it up completely so if it's an auto certain completely just basically won't review the form And you have to do a separate one for each of you know material display. That's why we list it out These separately so you can't check them all and put in one request So that's me talking through that but um you know outside of This advisory board having any comments or concerns about it. My next step would be Probably I have to look this over. It's not necessarily an official policy. So I don't know if I need to send this to City attorney's office for review or not. It kind of gets into this legal language So I might just do that to make sure I'm checking all my You know say that again I guess You can turn off one or two, but um I don't have any idea Yeah, we talked about a lot about that as the committee Basically the committee I'm referring to is all these selectors in the library. So professional librarian staff and myself that have responsible for the responsibility for the collection And we we actually had some good discussion about that, you know, it's like well Just because you don't have a library card, but if you live in the city, you're still a tax paying resident And therefore you're contributing to the library on some levels. So should we restrict that? You know At the end the consensus was basically it made more sense to do that Well, I agree with everything you have here Okay That's a very good point and I I think that will be my next step is to Send this on to the city attorney. That way it is reviewed and basically stamped in that way Yeah, I agree. We know like from the city's relationship to you and your role like this is within the parameters of your God description because I only asked this because I'm researching all the stuff that was paper right now There's all these crazy city councils and other places that are like Basically replacing the library director with some kind of a public Director Yeah, I appreciate that and I think in some of the places where that kind of activity happens in large part It's with different governing bodies. So they have board of trustees or a decision making board And so that's where it can get muddy and then they're making the decision over the director Oral for library staff in the case here with an advisory board It's it's obviously it's not set up that way. So But but it's a good point Okay, so outside of that who sets it. Well, I am as the director, but you're right with the city legal Review and approval. I want to make sure it makes sense I think you shouldn't have done that for me. You're the three people Yeah, I totally agree Um, yeah, I can follow up with like Yeah, I would appreciate that, you know, if if you want since you have it I appreciate any feedback It's I haven't moved anything forward Except for getting this draft completed for this meeting. Thanks for sharing John I think the goal seems to be the types of interactions that you described with the beginning of the meeting um You know in a dialogue of respect Um, yeah, even ultimately the sites because you know, there's still disagreement In my mind this this this gets that um Where people still have the right to request reconsideration, but it makes a lot of sense that as the tax payer supporting library that it this request should come from that body of people So I don't have any comments except the support Thanks for that question Catherine. I think that's a really valuable one as well Any other comments or questions on this? And of course the flip side is people can also request Materials for consideration as well to add to the collection So correct you're nicely Thanks so much John Anything else during your director's report? Uh, no, that's That's all I have Okay Well with junior we'll skip the principal library liaison Um, that's up with that next one And we'll we'll make sure I see comes the number liaison head. Whoa. Sorry. It's late. I've been losing it somebody else today Uh, we'll make sure to do these report what I did to stay I know I had to go back so council was cancelled last Tuesday because uh We were at the national league of cities in marchington And it was it was great. It was phenomenal. I I felt like the theme, you know, the overarching Theme in all of the sessions that I attended was around Apprenticeship and building workforce So what kind you know, so one of the the sessions I went to really talked about, you know collaborating with your school district or with private industry on building those internships and You know workforce for the 21st century. Yes, we're moving towards EVs Renewable energy, there's new types of technology and skills that need to be Learn Because the new types of jobs that will be coming out in the in the near future Um, additionally and it was interesting because this is something I hear from residents around, you know, we're losing a lot of trade plumbers Electricians, you know different people that work with their hands and um wealthy and I think auto mechanic and So it seems like and this is not just in our district or in our area We're really nationwide. There's this big push to get all the kids into four-year universities and I'm going down this this path where we're kind of leaving behind a lot of those important mechanical and trade skills, so how how can we We build that back up and you know, there's all and then in having conversations with the Department of Labor There's a lot of opportunities for grants and So, you know and even another one I'm going to kind of change course here So I attended a session on after school and summer learning And this one was really cool in the sense that you know, so there's like they have AmeriCorps There's different agencies that that's special, you know that focus on programming and for youth and there's also a lot of Federal dollar that we could tap into when we coordinate, you know, maybe we work with the school district or we We work with you know, like we're in this case the library, you know, different departments within our our city and depending on how we Word our grant or who we bring to the table to collaborate with We can raise our opportunities to to acquire Funding for this So yeah, I picked up all you know their numbers and all you know I did do a little bit of homework on that to see what what opportunities will be there If a city we wanted to And especially now with micro transit, I'm going to go off the floor. We approved the And received money for micro transit. So really it's just the smaller buses, you know, like Zia and You would operate. They're still working out the logistics of it, but it would operate kind of like an uber Where they wouldn't go right to your house, but you go to a pickup area Call and then within 15 minutes or so they'll come pick you up That's a great opportunity to we have this available for middle schoolers Maybe you don't have access You know to get to some of our youth programs or programs in the library or museum That we can actually have this type of transportation to get them to school to these places You know, so it's just kind of throwing ideas out. We got all I know council member Yarbrough and council member McCoy and I all went We were just like throwing ideas up with each other. There's always neat neat things that we could That we could do if we we pursue Yeah, so that's you know, that was that that piece I'm trying to think when I was going back to the last council meeting You know, I did look and see the sustainable sustainability and climate action action committee did come up and do their annual report So it's not unheard of for the library to come over to you. We have a sustainable sustainability advisory board So they came up and presented so it's not unusual That y'all are doing this though Yeah, I saw that I'm trying to think what else We are Getting ev stations. So we recently passed One of our ordinances that would get the fall rolling on the happy city Ev stations So we're kind of moving moving the needle on that one Great, well, thank you so much for that Always appreciate that I didn't context any questions or comments or I don't have anything for library profession news. We did just learn that that Though it's coming committee, but I don't know if anyone else has anything we want to share about the greater world of library trip right now Not library Not library, but I forgot to mention we were on the I wrote the train With I was one of the ones on the train from Denver union station to Teardal Alma, yeah, so it's part of that Front-range passenger rail A bill will be coming forward to the state to approve moving forward and funding So it's very much could be an art near future. How can I forget that? The fingers That would be anything Any other comments, uh library board comments any other comments from library board members? Okay, well our next meeting will be April 15th and I will adjourn us at 8 52