 You are listening to the number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is my pump now in today's episode We talk about something that's been circulating on social media quite a bit lately Cosmo did a couple covers where they had some some women on the covers that were what you could say Objectively obese and it also said this is healthy It's triggered a lot of people in the fitness space So we wanted to cover this and talk all about the health at every size movement and tell the truth about it We talk about how Cosmo really isn't probably the place you should go for health information We talk about what health at every size actually means if you go on their website What they say is not what's being represented by a lot of these companies We talk about obesity itself and how there's a wide range of healthy bodies. 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Mm-hmm You did a post and it was the recent article that has gone viral On cosmo and it's the other covers. Yeah, the two covers right the the health at any size And you did a really good post talking about it. And I know that there's there's a lot of controversy around this conversation Yeah, I know a lot of people in the fitness space Really got irked by it because you know objectively on the covers. There were two of them. It has two happy-looking Women who objectively are would be categorized as obese morbidly obese, right and on the and underneath it says this is healthy And so that irked a lot of health and fitness people and they were you know, this is not healthy and I think first off. Um, it's important to talk about cosmo the magazine cosmo. Yes. Has has cosmo ever been Has it ever been model on their cover or whatever they promoted has ever been in the health direction. It's never been a bastion Well, that's why I okay. I like you went this direction and this is how or this is I this is where I can defend Uh, the people that are you know backing in saying that's not fair because you know, nobody was when we had a You know 105 anorexic Coked out model on there, you know, five years ago or 10 years ago Nobody was saying anything. No. In fact cosmo like the standard. Yeah cosmo promoted the they called it heroine chic Back in the 90s. What yeah, we're we're wow you had like remember kate moss remember her Yeah, so I don't know maybe dug you can look up. Uh, kate moss heroine chic Cosmo cover or whatever but these were covers Where you'd have these really emaciated looking models and they would even have Kind of dark circles under their eyes and they'd look kind of whatever when you see the when you see the cover You'll recognize it because we all grow and that's not like the heroic term. That's actual heroine. Yeah Yeah, no, they said a heroine chic is what was the was the the terminology actually called that now Now cosmo didn't but people would would say that about some of these covers Okay, so you can see, you know, they're I mean just, you know, she's looks almost emaciated now I mean who knows this is probably maybe what her normal body looks like or whatever But it's never been It's never been a bastion of health if you if you read cosmo to learn about Nutrition or exercise or health You're looking completely To the wrong place. So then posting, you know to obese women and saying this is healthy I mean it's kind of par For the course and I I do get why some fitness people, you know are getting upset, but it's cosmo Here's the statement of it. I think that was really like triggering and shocking to a lot of the fitness people Yeah, but and here's where I'm gonna get all them though. And this I that's why I really liked the way that Sal wrote about the post. I knew that he would I think I knew he would articulate the way we felt about it Better than I think most fitness professionals most fitness professionals are jumping on the bandwagon of It's clickbaity to talk shit about it right now And to jump all over and bash it but to me How can you do that if you weren't bashing these girls five years ago five ten years ago that or are just as unhealthy It's just a different spectrum You know, they're they're sticking their finger down their throat and they're throwing up or they're doing drugs And they're not eating and they look like this and by the way, I'm over generalizing I know that just like I know that there's probably been some healthy people on the magazine But if we're going to make a big stink about this girl who's you know, 80 to 100 pounds overweight That's on the cover and it's saying healthy Well, I feel like you have to make a big stink about the girls that were 105 pounds and doing drugs or throwing out to be consistent. Yeah. Yeah or throwing up their food Right. So and now I don't know if they actually said that they were healthy They just glamorize them. But look I typed in I googled heroin chic, you know Wikipedia article comes up and it says heroin chic was a look popularized in early 90s 1990s fashion And characterized by pale skin Dark circles underneath the eyes a very skinny body dark red lipstick stringy hair and an angular bone structure So this was like a real thing that you know, you would see and if you do you guys remember this? This is a Calvin Klein You know, this was what's her name Kate Moss and the Calvin Klein Advertisement at back in the early 90s. I remember back then it kind of caused a little bit of a stir I guess the point I'm trying to make here is to start with Cosmo is Not They could say this is healthy all they want. Um, but I tell you what I could pull I could pull the last 10 articles pull up their diet recommendations and workout recommendations and they're terrible. Yes And it's all it's all totally and completely Terrible. It's all wrong. It's not true. Absolutely. Now that being said, um, there is this movement That they you know, they call the health At every size movement or any size movement. I should say now Here's the thing when we talk about this We do get messages from people who are saying that the message the real Health at any size movement message has been hijacked and bastardized by marketers. It has and it has I know I so the first time we came out and we talked about I think I was probably the most I mean vocal about how I felt about it. And of course I got tons of dms of people And uh, you know complete transparency up into that point I'd never gone to the official website that is that promotes this message and where it's it originated from And when I did and I read what it had to say I agree with it I think it's actually really good and it's a really good message Um, but it's completely been bastardized and it's not that and that what we're seeing on Cosmo is not that at all Right. Yeah. No the difference is so health at any size movement if you actually read about and some of this stuff I'm kind of like, I don't know but a lot of it is stuff that we talk about And preach on the podcast and it says things like that the diet culture, right? So the culture of extreme dieting and weight loss pills and you know that kind of stuff Has led to more problems for a lot of people Disordered eating hating your body You know feeling inadequate or extremely insecure These are all problems diets At least the way that we've been marketed diets And the way we've told that they that we should do them They don't work. They really don't and the reason why first off statistically speaking Diets don't work for something like 90 something percent of the people That ever try them and the reason why they don't work again This is what we talk about on the podcast all the time. They don't focus on Loving your body taking care of yourself and real fundamental changes to your behaviors They're all about these kind of short term extreme Fixes and they all do focus on self hate your fat. You're disgusting. Uh, you need to change that Do this extreme diet, you know, do this cabbage diet do this hcg diet do this Whatever diet and and fix that about yourself. So the health at any size movement The the actual website talks a lot about kind of Healthy behaviors taking care of yourself Exercising the way that's healthy not overtraining not overworking yourself like we've seen a lot of people do But what's happened is markers have taken this And the way that they've used it is it's basically saying Um, you know, okay, you're obese. That's still healthy and it's all good. It's everything's fine. Right. That's not an issue Let's ignore all the health markers and concerns that you know physicians have Right and and that's just false Objectively speaking. Okay, uh obesity by itself. Okay by itself if you take somebody Who is let's say 60 or 70 pounds, uh overweight Um, and I would say over fat the reason why I'm saying that is because bmi According to bmi. I'm overweight, right, but I carry a lot of muscle So we'll say over fat, right? You take somebody who's uh, you know, 60 to 70 pounds over fat They could have uh, they could not smoke. They could have all these other everything can be controlled The obesity itself is more dangerous than almost anything else. Yeah, it's still a risk factor If you took that, it's not just a risk factor. It's one of the biggest risk factors, right? And if you took uh, if you took that same person and you had them lose that 60 to 70 pounds of over fat They would be uh, objectively healthier, right? Fat itself is a hormone sensitive tissue when you have a lot of it Your body responds differently to hormones like insulin estrogen and man testosterone, uh, it gets affected growth hormone gets affected and gets changed extra weight on the body like that Is uh, which is body fat is extra weight that is not supporting your weight, right? So if you have 50 pounds of extra muscle on your body that extra muscle provides a function there Yeah, it stabilizes your joints, uh, you're stronger You you can move more. You got a faster metabolism as a result of it If you have 50 pounds of extra body fat that body fat just sits on you And you're just moving around with this extra weight, uh on your body Now do you think some of some of what plays into this too is this idea that some some people Believe that they were genetically destined to be obese. That's so far. Okay. So Evolutionarily speaking, there is no there was nothing that happened That changed our genetics to cause obesity Uh, yes, there's a range of weight. So you you find You know, you could see a wide range of weight. That's 20 30 pounds But 70 pounds 80 pounds 100 pounds over weight 60 pounds over weight That almost did not exist until the kind of the 20th century at least the back half of the 20th century It just it just wasn't common, you know, you you go around in Societies in the early 1900s and before and you just didn't see that In fact, you didn't see that until processed food really became A big part of our culture You know, I love bringing this up, right? You could look up Back in the day, uh, circuses traveling circuses were a thing and they used to do this thing where they would have what they called the freak show It's kind of terrible But they would have people who, you know, look different, you know, had deformities And then people would pay to look at them, right? And a common, uh, I don't know act in some of these freak shows were The the the fat man or the fat woman So it was this obese person that people would be like, oh my gosh, look at that, right? It looks so crazy if you look up pictures of The the circus fat man from the 1800s That same person today would walk around walmart and would blend right in It wouldn't be a big deal But it was such a big deal in the 1800s that people paid money to go look at this To see it because it was so insane. Yeah. I mean, well, we're in a world of abundance now You know, this is something that is different. It's a different landscape. And so, uh, you know, what what used to be like Not not as common is definitely has taken over. It's it's very It's very easy to define food and to be able to access food, uh, you know In in large amounts. And so this has created a whole new problem that, uh, you know We have to account the fact that it can be a problem You can't overindulge just like you can overindulge drinking or you know, taking drugs or you can you can do harm to your body By overindulgence. Yeah, you know, you're you're addicted no matter how you draw it up You're addicted to food, you know So I think what why it's it's so much more controversial or we're hearing so much more about this versus like what we refer to earlier as like these You know anorexic looking girls is that it's harder to prove that right? You could be a very skinny girl And actually not not be anorexic not be doing heroin not doing that You could be on the cover of that magazine and be 105 But it's impossible for you to be 250 pounds and it not be obvious that there's a food addiction there You didn't get to 250 pounds without obsessively over consuming for a long period of time That doesn't happen overnight to anybody, right? So you have been addicted to food for a long time We can't prove that with somebody who is 115 pounds. You can be 100 they could be sick Right, right. It's not it's not as obvious So I feel like everybody is jumping all over this because it's more obvious Well, also you got to consider this right the market is shifting So today we're almost at the point where a majority of americans are considered Obese and a good chunk are considered Is was it severely obese? I think it is right a good chunk It's something like I don't know 15 20 percent of americans or something like that So now you have the market which is now getting bigger and bigger and bigger So, you know the people that there and that's who you're selling to right? So you're selling cosmos selling that selling to that So doing stuff like that's going to sell more magazines Um, you know, for example, just like any other addict You want to hang out with other addicts so you feel better about it, right? So if I'm normalize if I exactly if I'm going to subscribe to this magazine I don't want to look at these skinny bitches all the time I want to look at somebody who looks like me and me feel good about my food addiction And not feel like I actually have a problem, right, right So, uh, I'll give you guys an example So I you know, I have family that lives in Italy and I know when I travel over there If I can't get so here in the states if I buy a t-shirt, it's a large When I buy a shirt in Europe, yeah, it's an extra or double x large Same size, right? So our clothes sizes are different our food servings are different and it's all starting to match kind of the market But yeah back to the the food addiction thing, you know, it's I when we say food addiction, I think some people are like, oh, that's not like an addiction like, you know, like You know heroin or cocaine or alcohol or whatever It is in the sense that you're medicating With food this is what leads to this issue is that we start to medicate with food And also in the sense that food has been engineered now to have drug-like properties Right, so I've used this example so many times on the podcast But I'll use it again because I think it's a really powerful one But if I were to if I were to take the average person and give them Five plain baked potatoes and told them to eat them all within an hour Most people wouldn't be able to do that but if I gave you a bag of laced potato chips Which contains five potatoes in there Most people could eat it and get through that easy No problem So food has been engineered to be so palatable that it's almost drug-like So you have this drug-like quality to food. It's convenient. Does it require work to get you don't have to cook it or make it anymore It's super convenient. It's inexpensive And then you're stressed or whatever Yeah, get you crazy cravings and and you know, it provides comfort when you're depressed You know, you're stressed out You're not feeling so great like it's something that you you're seeking out to to make you feel better And that's the same thing with any of these drugs. So I learned this as a trainer. I know you guys have to We talk about this all time when you're working with someone anybody actually who wants to lose weight But especially when they have to lose a lot of weight You're not going to be successful At all unless you're able to unless they open up and you're dealing with the the root drivers of psychological issues That are causing it studies show that obese people who diet and what I mean by diet is change their nutrition And work with a therapist are far more successful than people who just diet, right? So what you're looking at isn't is oftentimes most of the time Root causes people are damaging themselves because there's some issues that are that are underneath the surface Right boredom insecurity depression all these diet. Yeah all this stuff is happening And instead of medicating with you know, something that we've demonized now like cocaine heroin things like that Your choice is food because it's widely accepted and it's okay, and that's 100 correct food is an accepted drug We all all of us at one point have abused food Now I do want to be clear by the way, and I think this is an important thing to to point out Um, I don't want to come across like we're judging People who are severely obese as the most unhealthy people, uh in america Well, no because here's here's the argument on the other side of that what we can't measure We don't know okay, and let's and I know in our forum this that that post went viral And I believe I don't know if you guys saw I think sandra brought up that she follows the girl She follows one of those two girls and she's like really flexible and she does like strength stuff And so maybe this girl's not not as unhealthy as an average 250 pound right could be and maybe she's even technically Healthier than the guy that's on the cover of men's health who is 250 pounds three percent body fat Steroided out of his mind beats his fucking girlfriend at home freaking has all these enlarged his heart Yeah, right I mean, so maybe she is actually healthier than that guy and we can't measure that and say that that now That's the problem the problem is comparing person against person rather what you should do is say to yourself Okay, this woman who we're talking about who's flexible and works out who's 250 pounds Would her health improve if she was let's say 170 pounds, right? And and she did it the right way. I want to make sure I say that right She did the right way would her health objectively improve it would her joints would improve her Heart health would improve her hormone sensitivities would improve everything would improve simply because She lost some body fat, but yeah, it is you know, again, we do need to be clear that There's this there's a there's a wide range of well And the opposite is true to the analogy that I gave right the guy if he got off of steroids put on four or five percent Body fat stop doing some of the bullshit. He was doing at home He would be technically a healthier person exactly and there's also this range Look, you can be a healthier obese and a less healthy obese, right? You could be a healthier lean and a much less healthy lean, right? So the only thing you can really say is is really apply it to yourself and look genetics play a big role too Some people can be 70 pounds overweight And suffer less health issues than somebody who's just 15 pounds overweight Don't compare people against other people. It's you have to look at just yourself There's so many genetic differences in the way that bodies even look and present themselves and how they carry weight to which You know, so that's why it's it's such an individual thing, but You know, like body fat itself as being in an objective You know measurement is something to consider like it's if you do reduce You know down to to a healthier range. It is going to make an impact. It is um, but yeah, it's look You can people can can you look at someone and determine whether or not they're healthy or unhealthy? I think in some cases you can say that person could be healthier That person could be less healthy Um, I also think why why do that to other people really look look at yourself You most certainly can't compare that person to another person. No, no Not just visually because that's that's the thing and that's the thing that I think I mean extremes. Maybe but yeah, I get what you're saying Yeah, well because healthy health when you say health that is a that's a big sphere of things Yes, you know, they could have terrible relationship health They could have terrible emotional spiritual all these other health markers can be off the charts But look amazing on magazines or they could look horrible on a magazine from a body fat percentage wise But then have those other boxes checked amazing. They're great. They're a great mother They're great at right, you know, they have they just have issues with food. Yeah, they just have issues with food So this whole idea that I think we you and that's why like the for the fitness professionals that were triggered by this And they went out and they and they came after it really hard. It's like, you know Who cares this is a this business is in the marketing and selling magazines. They shouldn't be anybody's Guide to what is healthy nor should Instagram Has there ever been a cover with just an example somewhere where they literally stated this is healthy I don't know that I've ever even seen that. No, I mean, they did that. That's a statement. That's an interesting point Yeah, you're right. You're right. I mean and they were obviously look that's it's obvious to me They were being controversial Yeah, they knew that it would cause instead. I'm sure they're selling record numbers of of magazines because you can't I mean It's such like it's not an objective thing to look at somebody and be like, hey, you're healthy You're an example. I'm gonna put you out there. Right. You don't know, right? You know, I like what you were saying adam about this this fear of health it encompasses quite a bit Look, I again, we've all said this some of the least healthy people I've personally known Were worked in the fitness industry worked in the fitness space people who Had followed extreme diets. They don't sleep at all. They took drugs, you know, lots of anabolic steroids and diet pills and terrible relationships narcissistic or had bad, you know Relationships friends and family because they were so focused on how they looked They were just so unhealthy. But if you just looked at them, oh, they looked amazing You'd be like, oh man, look at that guy's biceps and he's so lean or whatever You know, they they seem to be healthy. That's not how it works. Also, here's the other thing too You know, uh, what's that one saying? Like don't judge someone because they sin differently than you Um, I like that state that now we take out the word sin. It's like, you know, don't judge someone because They do something that's unhealthy differently than you the way you do things that are unhealthy, right, right, you know I'm saying, right you could look at someone who's obese and you could say, oh, they have a bad relationship with food But then if you're an asshole about it, it's like, hey, dude Nobody has like nobody's perfectly perfectly balanced Well, that's why I love you shared that study that came out this last year, right about the cigarettes versus relationships That's why I like I loved talking about that study because that's an example If you were to compare somebody who maybe just never sees their family They work all the time and they're busy. They're very successful But they have a terrible relationship with their mother and their family and friends because they're so focused on being successful But they look all in shape and you compared that person to the person who was smoking I don't remember how many cigarettes a day it was It was like 10 cigarettes a day or something Yeah, like 10 cigarettes a day and you go like, hey, who do you think is healthier? You'd be like, oh my god, this guy over here who's got all the financial shit going and he looks fine But this person who's smoking all these cigarettes every day They're probably gonna die early because of that but in reality that's actually unhealthy I know they showed that the bad relationships was just as bad right just as bad Here's the other thing too and this is now i'm going to speak out to the fitness The people on social media and the fitness experts, okay You have to first off don't allow yourself to be triggered by your own Insecurities and what I mean by that is maybe not insecurities with yourself But your insecurities with with your profession So you see an article on cosmo with an obese woman that says this is selfie It'll trigger you because it's counter to what you preach and what you talk about But put that aside for a second and remember what your real goal is. What's your real goal? Your real goal is to help people right so Use that as a way to communicate in a way that's empathetic that you know What's that saying you can attract more flies with honey than you can with I see all these fitness professionals who are like no fat is unhealthy and they're and okay Some of a lot of stuff they're saying is true, but they're not helping anybody And if anything they may have someone who's struggling with weight Not want to follow them anymore not want to listen to them anymore because they're coming at them so hard I would never when I ran gyms and I dealt with real people in front of me Would you ever hammer somebody who's obese who came into your gym? Never in that way I would never do you want to encourage them to come back right? Absolutely Well, not to not to mention it could be argued that this extreme was necessary to get us closer to the middle To be anyways Because nobody was enough it was an uproar like I said 10 15 years ago When you had all these girls that were on the covers of magazines that were unhealthy in the first place Nobody said anything back then But yet people know it and obviously there's a lot of people that are aware of it today And this is now the other extreme it is you know And so hopefully we find somewhere in the middle where is a little bit more healthy than what we've seen We've just seen these extremes which extremes is what sells right? It is and here's the part that gets on my nerves That I don't really a noise the hell out of me is when they twist it and they sell it as This is self love Okay, this is me loving myself. It's not it is not loving yourself loving yourself Let's take yourself out of the equation. It's imagine you're raising a child You're raising your kid you love your kid your kid wants to eat candy and donuts Every day right and you don't let him why not? Yeah, because you love them, right? Okay The loving them doesn't mean you give them whatever they want all the time and you let them indulge and destroy their health It'd be like my kid coming up to me say hey, I want to smoke cigarettes because I like them And I'm like well because I love you. I'll let you do whatever you want. I'm saying no, sorry, buddy You're not allowed to do that loving yourself means you have a sense of discipline and you also check Some of your indulgences this is part of what it means to be human and to and to understand these things Love isn't just a feeling. I think People confuse love with the feeling of an action happiness and yeah Love is an action. It is not a feeling absolutely. It's and it's not like Like is different than love like do you like your spouse all the time? I don't I don't even like my kids all the time. I love them all the time I never stop loving them, but there's definitely times. I don't like them But I love them and the actions my actions show that so I think what happens is people confuse love with not hating themselves So you have somebody that's Obese and they've maybe they've done all the crazy dieting the restriction They've hated their body. They've been insecure and then they finally, you know at one point They read this this this cosmo or they hear this twisted version of health at any size and they say You know what? I'm done hating myself. I'm gonna eat whatever I want and just that's it now I love myself. That's not love. You might not hate yourself anymore But you're not loving yourself. In fact, your actions are actually showing that you're still hating yourself You've taken the first step to kind of start, you know really focusing on not hammering yourself so bad Which is an important step, but that's not where it stops. It's true and love is also honest, right? So again, take yourself because and the reason why I say take yourself out of the equation is because when we're talking about ourselves I think we have a tough time being objective But when you talk about an outside well, yeah, your ego gets in the way. Yeah, exactly But when you talk about someone you care about, uh, it's easier to understand. So let's love is honest, right? So I you know, I love my brother for example, right if he came to me and he said hey sal You know, uh, be honest. Am I is physically am I healthy? Now, I know I'm gonna hurt his feelings if I tell him the truth Let's say he's obese, but I love him. So I'm gonna say listen. I love you But yeah, physically you're just you're not taking care of yourself You need to take care of yourself a little bit better, right now turn that into yourself Love is also honest now. It's not hating yourself, but it is being honest. So what does that mean? That means you can look in the mirror and say to yourself Right now my body does not it reflects the fact that I haven't been taking care of myself Well, that's different than hating yourself. You don't want to hate yourself Don't look in the mirror and be like I hate this person Also, don't identify with the fact that you're maybe overweight or or whatever That's not who you are doesn't define you. It's just your body But you can be honest and you can say I haven't taken care of myself like I should I'm gonna start loving myself through action And when you do that, what does that look like? Well, it looks like you eat, right? You eat in a way that cares for you You're active because it's better for you. By the way, what are the results of that? Forget the physical The cosmetic, you know effects the aesthetic effects. Let's forget of that for a second What are the other effects when you start to eat right? You start to be more active You feel better. You actually start to treat people differently your mood Increases like all these different factors. Yeah your relationships improve the your productivity improves like it just It it just compiles. It's like a snowball effect once you really start working on yourself Right now. Can you lose weight? Can you change your your your aesthetic? Self to make it look quote unquote better, but do it in a way that that reduces your health Of course, absolutely. Of course, you know, you could look in the mirror and be like, I hate my body so much I'm gonna go chain myself to the treadmill and I'm gonna eat, you know Once every other day. I'm gonna take diet pills or whatever And uh, and that's that. Um, well, that's also not Loving yourself. So that's where I have the issue is when people I remember once I uh years ago. I was at a company dinner with my ex-wife. We were sitting at Um the big table. I think it was a Christmas dinner And everybody's you know introducing their spouses or whatever and I said, oh, I'm a you know, I own a personal training studio and uh as I know whenever I say that whenever I used to say that to and I'm sure you guys experience this Whenever you say that to a group of people who are not in the fitness space Especially if you're eating dinner or something you're gonna get comments immediately Yeah, people automatically start to feel a little insecure like I'm sure they're thinking put the cupcake back right now Is he watching me? Is he whatever? This is my day off my cheat day Exciting theirself. Yeah, so I said that and then we usually do that and I was used to the you know I was used to that right I was used to the ways people's attitudes would change or whatever But I said that and then as we're eating and drinking and people are making comments There was one lady in particular who's like, I'm gonna have another roll of bread and she'd look right at me and laugh and You know, I was used to it. So I'm like no problem. Whatever. So as the night goes on She says, you know, she goes She had a few drinks and then she was kind of a little loose and she says, you know, sal I had a friend who was a fitness fanatic She worked out all the time She ate perfectly and at 55 years old She got breast cancer and then she died and she goes and I tell you what when that happened I said to myself I'm just gonna enjoy life and do whatever I want and eat whatever I want because it's totally It's not worth it or whatever and I you know, I sat there quietly I felt my ego get fired up a little bit, but I sat there and I said, look, I said Nobody knows the future. You could I could walk out tonight Get my car and get an accident and die. I don't know that I said it's not about necessarily living longer. It's about living better It's not a punishment. It's a treat. It's how you take care of yourself So if you were exercise now, you're not killing yourself because you hate yourself You're doing because you're taking care of yourself. You're enjoying it and your quality of life improves So what you're doing right now may feel like you're saying to yourself that you love yourself But it may not be in reality taking care of yourself is really an investment It's the same thing that you the analogy give with with the child like, you know Giving him candy one day is also not going to kill him either Right, but you continue to do that by not doing that and teaching him to take care of himself You're investing in in them long term and that's just example that you love them. Yeah, and you know what? I will say I you know, I'm I'll put some of the blame on the the fitness industry at large for messages like the one that cosmo just put out I mean, let's be honest. The fitness industry for a long time has promoted it wrong. Yeah, this is basically a backlash to that That's what I say. It's just the opposite We're just swinging the other way because I mean we've been saying that since we started this that I mean ever to me I'll I'll never forget the experience of Getting in the competitive world because up into that I was I was really oblivious to this and To be told even as a personal trainer and in the space for already a decade before I really looked up to that community thinking that this is the elite of fitness people I mean look their bodies reflect it, right? So they must be Some of the healthiest most disciplined dialed in people I'll ever meet and then when I got into that group and I was accepted into this, you know Bodybuilding community and I started to meet people and lots of people I liked a lot of people I thought that were great people that were smart people that maybe did have some pretty good relationships But what I found was that I saw More issues in that community than I had seen previously in the previous 10 years Of helping average people which include these Morbidly obese people and average people that have just are overweight The people that I that I was competing with on the competitive level that were walking around with Six to seven percent body fat most of the year were some of the unhealthiest people that I ever met in my life It blew my mind, right? So it definitely is a backlash obesity by itself on its own May it makes your health worse you would be healthier physically speaking objectively if you weren't obese But there's many factors that play into your health and if you're a fitness professional or a fitness Influencer be careful how you communicate this message. Don't let it trigger you Do it in a way that you're going to help people rather than hurt people and then the last thing I'll say is this Don't look at cosmo as a place to that is not your place for health that they do not information Yeah, they don't talk about health properly. They don't exemplify health They have terrible information if you like to read it because you like to look at the pictures and the ads That's fine. But other than that, um, yeah throw it away. Yeah, look mind pump is recorded on video as well as audio Come check us out on youtube mind pump podcast You can also find all of us on social media You can find justin at mind pump justin me at mind pump sal and adam at mind pump adam Called dug a snack. He's a snack, man. He's not a full meal. Yeah No, not quite just a snack. So what's justin then? Oh, yeah, justin's uh, justin's a super turkey dinner What are you bro? You know, I'm a fame. I'm totally Fuck off Doug. He's a family of four