 I'll start the damn stream before I piss myself. Our lives. No, thanks to Alex. We are. It's not my fault. But my son made my mic not work. OK. It's your son. So it's your fault. And it's your mic. What do you think Magor would do? Kill somebody. Yeah, higher in blood, higher in blood, for sure. Well, welcome, welcome. Thanks for, like, not ditching us five minutes in. Even though Leanna unprofessionally held up the stream. Oh, oh, really? Or did I very courteously wait until all parties were ready? We need all hands on or this beast. Well, we are here to talk about the quick little basically novella that is fire and blood. For sure. I don't even know how to start this chat. I don't need to introduce yourselves. No, yes, I don't know. What do we do, Jimmy? You're in charge. I mean, I think at this point, we all know the the warband here. I think, you know, this is it. You know, who we need to introduce is not ourselves, but the like 50 billion characters that are in the book. Let me just like go to the family tree and just start naming them. They're all dead. They've been dead for hundreds of years. They're all fake. Part two is not out yet, dude. You have a listen. Can we just like maybe, Jimmy, would you like to dramatically read for us this character list? Ah, yes, I it's written so fancy. I pronounce half of them. And you should start at the bottom and read it, you know, like, Aamon Targaryen, son of Viserious Targaryen, daughter of. And let's just go go up. I mean, I really appreciate the fact that Guerm said, you know, the rule of not naming your characters with the same first letter. He said. Even like it's like the same name. And then there's like the end of the name has like one letter different or like kind of like all of the Raina's, Rainy's, Ray, Nira, which one is no Kiles? No Kiles, unfortunately. There is a Kermit. There is a Kermit and there is a Benton. That's right. Bear Island. I mean, let's be honest, though. George's names for the Targaryens are sick. Like, I wish I could get names. They're just hard to keep track of. They they are. Yeah. And then when there are names that you do recognize from like present, you know, that they are like, not the same character, but the same name, then you're like, it feels good to recognize it, but also worse because you're like, but I have to like also that's not the same person. I mean, at least when we get some of the like, like I actually rather they have the same name and have a first and second after it, as opposed to Raina, Rainy is right now. You're like, can we get some like numerals on there? So we can keep track of it. Yeah, I kept getting Rainy's and Nira mixed up as I read through, even though I already knew the story of it. I was like, still getting it confused. And then George, that son of a gun made an Aegon and then an Aegon. And then it was like, OK, yeah, I did. Aegon, the younger Aegon, the elder. OK, fine. But I kept getting them mixed up. Like, wait, which son is this? You know, he's just such a bastard. And there were two Viserys. Yeah. Yeah. In addition to the Viserys, we already know from the main series. I love. Yeah, there is Elmo as well. I is Elmo in this or is he in the World of Ice? I think he's in the World of Ice Fire. I don't remember Elmo in this. I don't remember Elmo in this, but I was there were so many names that I was like, very possibly was and I missed the main series. Still has the best name that tops all the names, though. Yeah, yeah, I know. Trust Alex to bring out what I'm an adult. So were you guys surprised that it is legitimately just a history book? Yes, I was at first. But then obviously, you know, I mean, not all of it feels like that. Like some of the Jairus stuff, you know, it feels like it's because you're following so much of him that it feels more like a narrative. But yeah, I mean, it's straight up just like, here's the things that happened. A reader, learn your history. OK. What did every I mean? This is your second time, Jimmy, third time. So I've read everything other than the egg on the third stuff, but I never read it like page to page to page. I'd read it in like, like, OK, I'm going to go read about the dance of drag. And so I went back and read. I thought she would just like shuffled the pages and read it totally out of order. And I was like, what are you going to use to imagine? But this is the first time from cover to cover in the first time reading egg on the third's piece, which admittedly, I feel like I retained the least amount of for whatever reason. I think it's because I was exhausted after the dying of the dragons and I was kind of telling you this before, Leona. But I I almost feel like for this book, you mean when Alex was just like off having a nap? Yeah, whatever he was doing. What's happening? Whenever you went to visit the city, having a nap right now. You were gone. So we were chatting before the stream started. Oh, you're talking about like literally five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. My mic didn't work. OK. But I was how I kind of wish I could have broke it up like after the dying of the dragons. I needed like a breather because I love that section so much. And then egg on the third just seems a little less cool. But if I had like a week or two, I think I would have been right back in it because when I finished Fire and Blood, I'll be honest, I was kind of like, ah, like I'm kind of sad. And it did end abruptly, kind of like what you said, Leona, earlier, but you started the Game of Thrones again. I thought about it. But yeah, I mean, yeah, I did say that off before we went live. And like, yeah, this book, if I have a complaint, it's that it ends so abruptly, like not even just like, oh, I thought we'd get more story. But it did like wrap up. No, it literally feels like it's like mid chapter, like mid whatever. I was like, where's the where's the next page? But what was it? It was like he sent it to his editor and they're like George stop. And he was like, OK, like that's kind of what it felt like. It it's always hard to tell these type of things. But did you guys get the feeling that George was just having a blast writing this shit? Oh, yeah, it's probably like the dopest shit for him ever. You know what? It's like, I know everyone wants me to continue this series. I think I'm just going to write literal history of the Targaryens. And it's it sounds like real history, too. Like, I think that's the thing that always impresses me. Like, what did you what did everyone rate it? Come on, four. I didn't give it five. You know, that's a five for me. Come on, I gave it four just because it wasn't like for me, it just wasn't as cool as it is. I feel like it just it wasn't enough of like it didn't interest me quite enough to be like, oh, my God, I love this. Like, I want to read this again. I was just like, yeah, it's really cool. And like some of it's awesome, but it's also just like it's Targaryen history. So it's like, OK, I asked to knock it down a little bit for me. I gave it five. And I thought, you know, that part of it is while probably the part that puts people off the most is also the part that is the most impressive. And like when I went to go rate it, I kind of assumed without having ever like paid attention to what the rating the aggregate is. I was like, well, probably only like diehard fans are picking this up. So that'll skew the rating pretty high, you know, because like it's mainly diehards. And the rating was like super low. So then I like kind of quickly scrolled to see like, OK, so like, what are these reviews saying? And like the reviews, the reviews that are like, this is just if me wins, bastard. No, no, I mean, that's the whole thing is obviously stupid. No, but the ones that are like, this is obviously a lazy cash grab. I'm like, do you understand how much work went into this fuck? Like this is like takes are is arguably harder to do than the main series. Like, are you get out of here? Like, do not even. Maybe you think it's dry boring, but do not even Targaryen history. That takes place hundreds of years before the main series was lazy. No, I mean, that's just freed as a lazy, lazy cash grab. Fire and blood fucking is not. There's a difference. Yeah, that's like basically that's like if you like doctor to start because you didn't find it as engaging, like, you know, that's valid. Like, sure. But for someone who's like, this is this is lazy. Like, no, lazy makes no sense. You can't write a book this fucking long. That's literal. Like you're creating history of your own fantasy world. Like the amount of like micro plots he had to come up with. Yeah, like, you know, usually an author comes up with a plot and then you can tell that plot for 500 pages here. There's enough plots for like about 700 different books. If you took any one part of this and making it a novel out of it, give him ideas with all of those plot lines and just give him any ideas. I mean, yeah, first off, I mean, I literally almost had to commit. I was dead. That was the greatest thing I've ever heard. But the fact that some of these things that we actually read were hinted at during the main series that he wrote 20 years ago and he was able to fit it into, I mean, a pretty cohesive history. I'm not going to say it is a narrative in theory, right? But it's not a traditional narrative, but he made it fit in the history and didn't make it just all about those moments he like built around them. And like, I don't know about you guys, but like at some point I was like legitimately not able to like just stop. Like I was like, I kind of want to find out what happens after this, especially after the conquest, because it felt like such an end of an era. I was very, very impressed with how interesting I found it, but also like how easy it was to read. But also just like, OK, so I already said it's hard to like come up with all these plot lines. So like, don't say it's easy for that. But in addition to coming up with every single plot line, he also came up with like five alternate plot lines for many of the plot lines because conflicting sources say it might have been this and it might have been this. So it like and then the fact that like including that so you had to come up with like a splintering of plot lines in the first place and to that you're including that and that makes it feel more like a history like that you've paid attention to that detail instead of just like telling a history because like a true history of anything we have nowadays, there's gaps, there's holes, there's things that like our best guess is this or like we truly do not know and we will never know. It always depends on who's writing the history to write. Yes. I mean, the victors tend to write the history. And that's, I don't know, it's you can also take everything with a green assault, which is also like the narrator of this book also is like, so this source says thus and such, but they probably would have tended to view favorably of anything to do with a faith, whereas this source says this, but they tended to just write it in salacious. So neither is to be really relied upon between the two. We can probably find some truth. And it's like stuff like that. I'm just like nerding out like that's amazing. Yeah, I feel like a big ass nerd reading this book. No doubt. It's really lazy. Ha ha ha. Did you guys like mushroom because I saw like Jake Bishop, it was reading this and some other people. And I don't know. I don't think this is what Jake said, but I remember somebody, I think it was in your discord house. They were saying how like mushroom really wasn't their bag. Like they didn't really enjoy mushroom, whereas I love mushroom. I mean, what is it that they don't like about mushroom? I'll be honest. I can't I can't really remember. I need to like find the good luck. It was a while back, but and I've actually seen this from other people as well, but they feel like it's just kind of nonsense. Like, you know, not to trust mushroom, whereas I feel like you're actually supposed to kind of read between the lines with mushroom and what I just said, like basically the two sources for the, a lot of it that he's got, that like those two sources consistently are where this author is pulling from are one is like from the faith and one is mushroom. And he's basically been up front the whole time where like, they're both skewed in like, one is a puritanical version of things and one is like an incredibly lewd version of things. Neither is going to be very reliable. They're both extremes. So we're like, we're trying to navigate a path to figure out like where and when who was actually present, who like what they might have been alluding to when we have a third source that can corroborate one or the other that like they're equally unreliable. Yeah. And for me, mushroom added some humor. I mean, you know, this is a textbook, essentially, right? So like whenever you have that little bit of humor, I think that that's what kind of carried me in through the second half. Literally, but also, OK, does anyone remember the old like video from when the internet was young? That was like Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger, Mushroom, Mushroom. It's a snake. So like, I just wanted to say mushroom, mushroom. Yeah, I love mushroom. I thought he was great. I like when authors play with narrative narrators. Ericsson does it a good amount. And George actually does it in the main series with Sansa and the Hound and Diddy Kisser, Diddy Knot and all that kind of fun stuff. So I thought it was like really on the nose, but it works because it's a history book. So I love that. I don't know who I don't know when this conversation would happen. Oh, bro, it was like a month ago. It was a while back. I'm sorry. I was kind of serious for mushroom, but it's probably like spoiler, like bard. So I'm not actually going to find it. Yeah, I think it was. Whatever. But yeah, I happened to enjoy mushroom. I thought that it was funny. It hit my sense of humor, especially some of the things that he. Well, I did partially at times think that, like so we talked about in the main series about the times when George gets a little like into the lawyer, exactly. And so then, like, even though. So like the narrator of this book is like, and then we have this extremely lewd thing that is definitely not what happened. But I'm going to tell you about it. So like, it's like George, what he is a mushroom. He wanted to write the salacious version. But then like he like has the like plausible deniability like cover of like, and then this thing that like clearly didn't happen because that's too extra. But let me tell you every detail about what that happened because like I've just told you that it's no way it's this. But like, let me tell you what it is. Yeah, he's getting the tabloid information and posting it in the middle of a textbook, essentially. And you know what I kind of would have liked is where like there's definitely times when the narrator is like, OK, like we can probably believe mushroom like he said it a little bit dramatically. But like more or less, he's telling us the truth about this. But for the stuff that was like way out there, like there's clearly not it. If those had just been footnotes, if he had been like and mushroom has like a wild story about this, like and then just like keep telling it, but there is a footnote that's like, OK, so this is what mushroom said about it. And it was it was not it. I love that there is so like there's people that can recognize that it's literally a history book and that's like functionally like why it doesn't work for them because they just don't want to read a history book. So like I'm kind of in that game. And then you have somebody like this that goes, anyone else feel like this was the outline for the Future HBO show? No character development. No dialogue. It just felt like a laundry list of things that happened. You know, that's a history book. Yeah, like, come on, guys. Now, I will say, I think this makes me way more excited for House of the Dragon. I mean, I was already excited and we got to see what happens. I was like, Jimmy, don't try to make it sound like you weren't excited for House of the Dragon. I'm just saying that story that they're trying to tell. But also now that I've read this and I have context beyond if they're playing a Targaryen, who does Matt Smith play? I believe he's Daemon, I believe. Let me look. I don't know. I'll find out. I'm wondering if House of the Dragon does really well, though, are they just going to like green like a bunch more seasons of it and just start picking through this book? But not that like this like art would be anything to go off of. Yeah, it's Daemon. It's Daemon, by the way. I mean, not again, like not that the art would be indicative of like who is playing who. But honestly, the the drawing that looks the most like Matt Smith was Aegon the third, don't you think? I could see that. I do think Matt Smith has a bit of an antagonist look on him, at least with the the wig on and the Targaryen look. So Daemon being such a dastardly dude. Yeah, like it's good. I can't wait to watch Matt Smith in the show. I like Matt Smith a lot. I've only actually seen him in the crown. Patrick said that this book is better than a feast for crows and Dance of Dragons. Big disagree. Well, like, doesn't this look like Matt Smith? Factually incorrect. Yeah, it was Matt Smith. Matt Smith is Dr. Who or the guy from the crown Prince Who. I mean, he's so immorvious. Well, all right, that's really good. Matt Smith was in the crown. That's how I know him. And I thought he was fantastic in the crown. Looks like he's evil. He's very regal. He has a very regal look about him. He looks like he should be a villain. Yeah, slightly, slightly inbred, like all Targaryens, which is always a good sort. Well, he has that kind of like lack of eyebrows, which goes with being having like pale blonde eyebrows. He looks evil. Dude, I yeah, I think he's going to be a great name in Targaryen. I mean, he's a good actor. So I would be like anybody he's going to play, he's going to do a good job. Even in Morbius, a lot of people were like, OK, like, you know, this book is or this movie is terrible and his role is terrible, but Matt Smith is giving everything he can give to like make something out of this role. Yeah, I think I think everybody that's been cast so far looks pretty awesome. Did you guys notice how many times Valeria like the doom is mentioned in this book? And we actually like where you see you, Jimmy, that said that this book becomes horror at one point. And like, yes, it surely did. Yeah, Princess. And that part was like illustrated. Princess Ariria or Arya, sorry. Princess Arya is it. I was I was like, we never I look whenever you listen to the audiobook, it sounds like he's saying Arya. I was just like, although also there was a part so like I did the immersion reading thing of like reading along while listening. And I've never done that with a book and I couldn't ever do that. But I had to with this and like there's the part where there's like Eric fighting Eric and one's with an E and one's with an A. And like, I was like, yeah, if I wasn't looking at this right now, if I was just listening to this, I'd be like, Eric's killing himself. What is happening? Yeah, you know, it's some internal imagery for him and his. No, it's just straight up to Eric's because George is just a jerk. Like I wish the narrator because the narrator doesn't say Eric and Eric, which would be helpful if you're not looking at the text. Time advanced was like, I'm not getting paid enough for this. No, yeah. But Princess already forgot area. We'll call our area like just area. Wow, what a scene, though. She comes back on Beleriand, right? And has been to Valeria and has things crawling out from underneath her skin. Like that was so. Did they say for sure that she's been to Valeria? They just suspect that that's where Valeria would have taken her. They believe that it went to Valeria because that's where they don't know that because she never says that's where they went. No, wait, does she I believe she actually ends up telling someone? I thought, or am I wrong? I think she just says, I never. And then like collapses and then like it's a maester that's like everyone was wondering where she would have taken Valeria. But the question we didn't ask and we should have asked was because she couldn't control it. Where would he take her? And like, where would he go? Probably home. So like they're like best guesses, like based on how she came back all messed up and that it would have been the dragon probably in control of where they went that it's probably that. But like it's not just like the ending of the show. He took her body to Valeria. I don't care. Oh, it's exactly like that. Yeah, now I kind of want to know what happens. Yeah, you're right. I thought it was like one of the craziest piece of the whole series. What stuff like that? They're like, OK, this is a dry history book, but there's so many moments like that where I'm like and the fact that it's a history text that is like and we don't know what happened. So we can't tell you and you're just like, oh, that's so interesting. But what happened, though? Yeah, I want to see what happened. And like Valeria has wounds. Yeah. So like we were talking about him and like in Agon's I think it's in the first. I don't remember the first chapter of Agon where we're talking about Agon first and he gets the letter and he's like, oh, you're never going to read this letter. And I'm just like, what? No. Can I have a letter, please? Well, we need the letter. What is in this letter? I mean, as Dorn is now a piece of us for. Basically, I want Lin-Manuel Miranda to do a musical version like Hamilton is history with, you know, rap, but this is Targaryen history with rap. And then we're going to have a room where it happened, the room where it happened. But it's the letter. It's the letter that no one ever saw. We don't know what the letter says. Yeah, there's Jerea, who is the I believe the princess of Dorn at the time. Also, Dorn is just the best. Dorn is metal as fuck. Dude, it's I know. I know we got Iron Island fans in the house. You know, I know, Liana, you love the Iron Islands, but you got to give it up to our San people down in there and in a holy cow. Dorn is unfortunately tainted by the depiction of Dorn in the show. No, they're not. That's just fake. That was all a dream. But no, I mean, just because the fact that you have the Targaryens march up to the north and the Starks bend the knee, like the north bends the knee and then they go to Dorn. They're just like, where is everybody? Why is no one here? What's happening? They just like they start like starving and dying of like disease in the desert and they get ambushed and die more. They just keep coming back. We're seriously going to take you out and they're like, OK. Yeah, good luck. Welcome to Dorn. I mean, they're poisoning people. They assassination attempts, all this stuff. And it makes Dorn in the main series just so much cooler for me and and I don't want to harp on season eight or anything, but I will say this. The this is what makes this is honestly, I know everyone has their beef. This is the beef I have with the last episode is the fact that Dorn sits at the council and lets the Starks say, well, we were independent. Me for the conquest. It's like each Dorn was independent after the conquest. Like, get out of here. Like, if anyone should be the seventh kingdom leaving, it would be Dorn, which this book was out when that when that came out. So that pisses me off quite a bit. I mean, they obviously didn't read this. No, they didn't. It is interesting that that's my biggest gripe because I know people have like way bigger gripes, but that's like the one that really like bothered me. Yellow toad. I think the letter said Dorn had Rhaenys. She survives the fall and that she was in love and doesn't want Aegon to attack anymore or she kills herself. So I do think Rhaenys was probably alive and it's likely that her crown is the one that we're going to see young Griff get crowned with. I think that Oberyn Martell or I'm sorry, Dorn Martell. I don't remember a griff in this book. Yeah, you do that though. Once you at some point have to tell the readers in one of the next two books that she's actually alive or was alive. I think so. Yeah, I think so. I think it will happen. I mean, that would be epic, right? And it also is just a huge symbol dating back to like the original conquest and the fact that Rhaenys was kind of like her own person, even though she's involved with Aegon. Her dragon was dead though, right? Yeah. Like that's confirmed. Yeah, her dragon was dead. Yep. OK. But also, so there's a lot of times in Fire and Blood when there's a malformed demonic childbirth. There's more than one. Yeah, what's up with that? Like we're not talking about just like really slight defects and like an inner threat. No, we're talking like talons and like. Yeah, but then you wonder, is that true? Or are they just saying that to talk about how? But I also wonder because like with Dany, you know, there was the obvious one to one of like, well, this witch lady said there's a price. That's the price. Like we're like, that's gross and weird. But like, I'm guessing that you're like, I can see why that happened. But here it wasn't always, I think there was one where there was like a witch lady like nearby and you're like probably her fault. But there was plenty of times when there wasn't. And you're like, is this supposed to be like basically like a fantasy version of like an incest baby that's like see all this incest is giving you demon children? Or is it supposed to be a more like witchy thing where like they are somehow being cursed by something or like, what is that? Well, I don't know. What do you want to mean? Or is it that they're blood of the dragon and sometimes those recessive dragon genes pop up and they have like half dragon children that are like. That's kind of what I think. And this after this book came out, a theory came out that Mary Mazgul didn't do anything to Dany. And then Dany just had a miscarriage because if you actually remember before this, she gets knocked down, right? So like the chances of that would be nice. Yeah, so when you're going to get her down. Yeah. There's a chance that there is no curse on Dany and that she could get pregnant later, right? Like so. Well, I mean, if there's a curse on Dany, it's the same one that's plagued her family for generations. Generations. It's not Mary Maggul. I always say her name wrong. Well, like she wouldn't have any way of knowing any part of her history other than when Visarius told her. And he obviously didn't say some of our ancestors had demon children. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, she hasn't been around the Citadel. There's no maesters to tell her these things as we know the maesters are the ones recording the history. So she's kind of in the dark and the only thing she knows is from what Barristan's telling her in Visarius told her before he got the golden crown. So it's interesting to add a whole another different light to that that event that happens in Book One. Yeah, but I mean, even so if you consider we have a literal Targaryen history book that is telling you that it's not even all correct or like a lot of it interpreted. So it's like absolutely when you have characters retelling history to each other in the main series, they're probably all getting so many little details wrong. And just like over years and like generations, the story just probably is like totally incorrect for a lot of them. Right, which is why just like, if we're mentors like trying to figure out what's going on in this universe, the same as our universe, the only way to figure that out is to put together as many different versions of the stories you can find and then see which of the things they agree with. Yeah. So like if it repeatedly even wildly different versions get this one part of it the same, you're like, well, that part is probably real. Yeah. And you know, think about Rhaegar. The story about Rhaegar is that he kidnapped Leanna and he assaulted her and all these things. And we're probably going to find that that wasn't true. I mean, we've kind of been told that that's already not true. It just hasn't been proven in the books. It's also just that like there are characters that say that about Rhaegar, but for the most part, most of what you hear about Rhaegar all over the place, it makes you think of him in a very heroic and interesting and enigmatic way. Like, yes, you hear some of like, oh well, you know, mainly from Robert who's like, if he hadn't kidnapped her and been awful, but like most everybody, all the other accounts you hear of him and all of the history here about him, he just sounds like a very interesting and on the side of good purse. Sounds like a jaharis. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I for one do believe that that is the case, right? That that that he was not the terrible person that Robert Bradley and painted him to be and went to war and destroyed Westeros over. But I guess we'll have to wait and see. I mean, to be fair, before Robert happened, like they were already warring over shit all the time. Like, yes, there are so many mentions of just like these different like all the families that we know and love just going to war with each other and vying for power. Yeah, this is not a peaceful land, huh? Not at all. Not at all. But if you get 100 years, you're lucky. Like that's a good span. It's also pretty sick, though, that like the the actual iron chair was just him being like, I'm just going to collect all the swords from everyone that I slaughter. And I'm just going to build myself a throne. I am a little disappointed in the fact that in the show, it looks like a much more like reasonable, comfortable chair. Yeah, whereas like it's not just from like images, like not just from drawings, but like the way they talk about the chair, like easily cutting anybody that sits on it. Like the one in the show does not look like like it feels like you'd have to be drunk and like really like be extremely like careless with how you sit down to actually get cut by it. In House of the Dragon, they're changing it. So like it runs down the entire stairs full of swords and it looks really cool. If you can see it in the teaser trailer, but Raniera being on the iron throne and getting slashed and slashed and slashed and like, you know, it was almost like she couldn't stand it. You know, there's a little things, the imagery of that is just powerful. Well, yeah, I mean, the author of the book is saying how like people were saying that the throne was like rejecting her. Yeah. And I think someone mentions that when Joffrey is on it, like doesn't he get stuck or something in the leg and he like cusses at the chair? I might even- Oh, when you say stuck, you mean like pierced. Yeah, like just- I thought you meant like stuck. No, no. I was like, no, I don't remember him getting stuck. They didn't have to bust out the butter and Crisco and I got my head stuck in between two fence posts one time and they, my mom had to put skull in my ears. I remember that. Anyways. Basically the same thing. Yeah, same thing, really. What did you guys think of the conquest? Because this is the one I've been over so many times to the point where I was kind of like, okay, like let's get through it. But if I really think about it, it's pretty dope. Like when Aegon is says, when the sun sets, your line shall end. And then he just burns hair and all. It's pretty metal. It's so metal. I wanted to ring that because that was, he was like, what are you gonna do? I'm in this keep. Like you literally can't touch me. He was just like, look at me. Can't touch this. Like that. It wasn't just like, I'm just gonna kill you. Like you won't be allowed to see tomorrow. I was like, no. Like your entire family will not exist anymore. Jeez. Could you imagine? Oh my God. And then like, you know, doing the thing where he flies in the sun and he comes down. That was so sweet. Like way up into the clouds and comes straight out. Oh my God. That was awesome. Yeah. Absolutely dope. I think the conquest would make a great movie. Oh yeah, for sure. Give me that age. It'd be like watching Rain of Fire with Christian Bale and whoever else was in that. I mean, I'll take. It'd be the exact same thing. Honestly. Macanahe would jump off the top of a castle shirtless with an axe. I mean, I'd pay. I'd pay 20 or dollars. Now I want to see Matthew Macanahe as a Targaryen, but still with his own accent being like, all right, all right, all right. But you know, with like silver hair on the iron throne. I'd pay for it. I'm not gonna lie. He should play Viserys the first. I'm in. I'm all the way in. Maegor the Cruel. I mean, one of the most. The one of the most. Just the the coin flip of the Targaryens. I mean, he is definitely the bad side, right? Yeah. He's also like, you know, shit. There's I like the way that the throughout the book, like you can kind of. I mean, some of it will be when it talks about what they're like as children or something, you know, like what their temperament is like. But a lot of it is like when you see how the parents are, you're like, this isn't going to go well. They're going to be that's the parents are like. Sewing the seeds of like discord, like especially like with like before the Dance of Dragons, you're like the way like Viserys ignores this like Shakespearean drama that is brewing between like the two sides of his family. You're like, this cannot end well. Like, yes, they showed how the kids kind of didn't get along on their own, but like on their own. Like, I don't think so. They hear what their parents say. Like they've been hearing nasty things from their parents about those kids. They didn't just like organically hate each other. That's right. And one of the things that happens after the dying of the dragon that I really liked is that egg on the third is essentially depressed. And like that whole generation after the dying of the dragons is like trying to work through the trauma of like everything they've been through. And I don't know. I really like that because it could have just been as easy as egg on the third and then give him some characteristic, but like it actually impacted that the generation following, which is very similar to like World War Two right for a large portion of the world. Well, especially because like when all of this happened, he was a kid. Like I mean, it would it would fuck you up if you were brothers and sisters dying and his mother. I mean, it's it's some pretty heinous stuff. But it's also just like formative years when like you need parents to be shaping and guiding you, but they're too busy killing other members of your family and and you're sitting here listening to people talk about how we have to like we have to kill and fight. And this is what's right. And like you're just that's during your like development all year is like that's going to mess with you. No, certainly. And you know, and you're supposed to be this big royal passionate family, you know, you are the family and then you see how messed up it is. We also can we talk about how Dordar Martin Lowkey did a Cinderella retelling fire and blood. Give it to me. The ball where he will choose his bride and every eligible maiden under 30 can come to the ball and get her chance to like present herself to the prince for the opportunity of being queen. It's literally Cinderella. Yeah, I guess you're right. I haven't read Cinderella in a while. Yeah, he definitely just sneaks in that kind of stuff, right? Oh, yeah, for sure. Gehari is the first, though. What a Chad, like what an absolute just a unit, dude. I love it a lot. The Targaryens have a lot of children. They sure do. Also, like those chapters were like Alice Alice. Where she's like so done with having kids and he's like, no, I think we're going to have some more and she's like, please. Well, those two to get there are eight on the head 13. Was that Gehari's? This is Gehari's, I believe. Yeah, like she just kept popping him out. Goodness, because Gehari's and Alice saying here's family tree. They like told us his first five kids kind of like separately and then all of a sudden she's like and then she had a whole bunch more and they just like name them all in one paragraph and they're like, I hope you're going to like like come back to that and not expect me to just remember it off of this paragraph. Well, Gehari's taking over and there was so much turmoil and then whenever he knights her Joffrey and makes him part of the Kingsguard after he was actually against him. What it was a good moment, good moment of healing for the realm and Gehari's is obviously the best king at this point since Aegon. And then we get all of the supporting cast around because Alice saying is amazing. And she is the one that got rid of the right of the first night, even though we still practicing it, they went up north and her dragon couldn't fly beyond the wall, which was a little interesting tidbit that I was like, Oh, why is that? Because otherwise the night King would throw a spear at it and then haul it out of the frozen ocean and turn it into an ice dragon. Well, you know what she did? She just turned around and she went to Molltown and went all the nights watch prostitutes, which I also thought was cool. And you know, you can tell the night's watches actually kind of regarded at this point. Like it's not, you know, what it what we know what to be from the series. And I thought it's not completely broken down and a joke yet. Yeah. And like you feel that like it actually felt different and almost makes you like sad for the guys, you know, that are in the nights watch from the main series. I just love them touring Westeros, seeing the small people and Gehari's being like, you guys can Damon can have his warring. I just want to build roads like I'm just making babies and making roads roads. That's so dope. But the King's Road, you know, we hear about that and it's like all just like throughout his life, how every time something sad happens and it is like, and then he did what he always does is gets back to infrastructure. Gotta build some more shit. And then goodness he did. I mean, it's like, let's keep this guy sad because every time he gets sad, we get infrastructure. He does. He kind of puts the nose of the grindstone. You know, you work too hard, Gehari's. Well, this is when you have the Hamilton style song about writing like you're running out of time. He's building like he's running out of time. Yeah. He was such an important part. I mean, he basically saved the Targaryen family and probably Westeros as a kingdom. Yeah. I mean, they're they're mentioned multiple times in the main series, too. Yeah. Like, And then it has to be his descendants that went and did a dance with dragons. Yeah. Well, I mean, when you have that many kids, like some of them are going to be a little sus. Yeah, it's just surprised me that like they didn't establish clearer like on like inarguable succession rules. When they had problems with this already quite early on, you're like, just come come together, have a council and be like from now on, these are the rules of succession no matter what. Yeah. And they kind of, you know, Gehari's end up setting a different kind of precedence and then they just go against it pretty much immediately, which is frustrating. But I think the easiest time to revolt against a new rule is directly after it's done because once it's solidified year after year after year, it becomes commonplace and people kind of forget about it. People still get angry about it, but, you know, that's prime time that fresh, you know, implementation is when you can kind of revolt. What about Rogar Baratheon? My pick for best character that isn't a Targaryen in the book. I love Rogar. That's because you love Baratheon. Well, you're not wrong. And he does just kind of feel like a little bit like Bobby B, but Rogar goes through. Well, it was interesting how like the biggest like ancestors, they don't feel like, oh, this is exactly that, you know, like how TV shows will do like the parents generation of the same actors are playing them with like different with a beard now. So it didn't feel like that. It didn't feel like, oh, this is like Ned Stark but 300 years ago. So he's got like a different beard. Like, I mean, they, but like even so. What does it say? But like despite, so like it didn't feel that the same, but it did feel where like there's a kind of a way of thinking in this part of the world and the Starks reflect a stark kind of way of thinking and like he seems like a very like he seems like he'd be real in the Stark family like related to like there's a sameness and same with like a Baratheon like not the same person, but like there is a something there that's like kind of familiar. Yeah. And, and you know, he's kind of described a lot like Robert too, like, you know, I mean, he's supposed to be a big old Chad and big beard and muscular and I think the Warhammer comes after Arians though. Yeah, and well, he ends up marrying into the family through a Larry in there. What was the name? I remember her name. Was it Valerian? No, it's not Princess Allison. It's it's Aegon's mother. It's with the Larry. Yeah. It's Alyssa Valerian. Yes. Thank you. Yes. That's the do do would your queen? Is that how you say that word? Do with her. Do wager, which is the princess mother though. So he marries in and it's interesting because he wouldn't declare for Aegon during Aegon and Maegor's battle because he felt like Aegon wasn't battle tested. So he kind of goes in and out of being like loyal and then being a friend and then becoming an enemy again and not wanting to also man, the Targaryens really love marrying each other, don't they? We got to keep the bloodlines pure, Jimmy. We like to keep it in the family and over here in Westeros. I like how at first like the, you know, the faith tries to like be like, well, we were okay with it with the originals, but like not no more. And then you're like, well, and then quite quickly after that, like, fuck it, these guys are going to keep doing it. Make a doctrine of exceptionalism or something. Make it make sense. Yeah, we I mean, we see Rogar and Alyssa basically come to turn like come to blows over this and this is like what cast Rogar out for a little bit. So it's just it's just all about marrying your sister. Apparently or uncle or cousin if sibling is not available. He was a good hand of the King though, I thought definitely better than the hands that Aegon the third got. I would say that's correct. Yeah. Lannister hands seem to to not do well. Yeah. The Lannisters certainly don't have the Targaryen's best interests at heart now. The Lannisters have the Lannisters best interests at heart. If you go to Rogar's page because I was like trying to remember every little detail because I just know that I absolutely loved him. His page is so long. Like it's insane how much Rogar did in this book because he's so close with the Targaryen's like he was actually important. Yeah. And I mean, whenever he was waiting for Jerry's to come of age, I mean, he basically ruled the kingdom, right? Um, it was sad whenever he ended up getting sent away. I want to read the Kingmaker thing, but this is like four paragraphs long. So we can't do that. But yeah, Rogar, super important, super dope. I would love to see Rogar on screen. That could be good. And just get the dude that played Robert to come back. He has to slim down. Yes, you have to slim down. No, just get the breastplate stretcher. It's fine. It'll be easy. Okay. No, but I mean, I do think any adaptation of this previous era, it would be a mistake to cast anyone that was in the main series. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, no, not a chance. There's no way unless there is some like time. Unless the timeline crosses over to where it would make sense to have them on this like on screen at the same time. Definitely don't cast them as a previous character because that would be dumb. Yeah. That'd be nonsense. Maybe like the little child that played Rickon. If he's an adult now, he can play someone because like no one will know. Care either. But this Rickon kind of sucks and he's irrelevant. But rude. He's a child. That's so what was he supposed to do? I don't know zigzag. Yeah. And I forgot that Rogar and Alyssa had like that big falling out too. That was kind of sad, huh? Because remember like they never got better after that. And I think she ended up even having kids after that point, but they were like never on good terms again after that. That was kind of sad. It was like it's own little tragedy. There are so many tragedies. I mean, I was still like to those people who were like, you know, it's just a list of stuff and you like nothing like the amount of like emotions I had reading this throughout where like it's truly like four beings. So arms lengthened, you know, dry like about when Allisane is losing all these children and we're not talking about like an infancy because she did lose a few that way. But like when she loses like all of her daughters, basically in pretty quick succession and like the yeah, I mean, there's just like so many times and I was like, this is this is truly sad or like after the dance with with of dragons after the dragons danced. They call it the dying of dragons, but it's actually referred to as the dance. Yeah, the when, you know, now that's Aegon's reign and we had like the suicides, which, you know, or is it a suicide? It's probably suicide. Like that's so sad. Yeah, it is. You know, it's interesting that you say that about the distance thing. So I just read Grace of Kings by Ken Liu and I thought it was absolutely fantastic, but it does have a distance approach. It's almost like a history, but like you're kind of there for it, right? Now, the second book gets into much more of a personal narrative. I also think the back after the book does as well, but I've seen a lot of people struggle with the distance thing and I get it, but I think it's also like one of the things where everyone's been trained so much in third person limited that they have to know like, oh, they're sad because they told me they were sad, right? Yeah. Instead of just looking at an event and like thinking about the moral, you know, impact they might have or just the emotional impact they might have on someone. And I know that that's not like not everyone's cup of tea and that's totally fine. But like, I don't know, I mean, it most reminded me of like if you did pick up a history book about Alexander Hamilton and you read about when his son dies in a duel and it would be a dry ass history book, but I would be sad by like if I've read that and it's sadder because you know, it's true. So it's like a book like this does enough of a good job of like being like a history book where it feels like I have to keep being like, yeah, but there are no dragons of art there though. Like it feels so genuinely like a history book that the same frame of mind that I'm in if I'm reading an actual history book where I'm like, that's so sad that that really happened. Yeah. So like reading this like that's I know it's not real like yes, I'm not an idiot and like some people would think the game of Thrones is a history show, but like I'm in that frame of mind where like this feels like a history and you just told me in a very like, you know, non-emotional way and then, you know, this person died and like that's what and we move on from that. We don't and that that coldness like makes it sadder to me because it's just this like it's not like paragraphs and paragraphs of like it was so sad and we cried so many tears and it was I mean like that at that point I'm just like, yeah, I know it's that but here when we're just like and then they died and move on and I'm just like, oh, yeah, you know what? I think it comes from a little bit is the fact that when we read, especially like, you know, we're in a community where like everyone reads a shit ton for the most part. And even if you only read like three books a month, that's a shit ton like that's a ton of books, right? Way more than the average person. I mean, it's right. And I think that people just read to find out what happens sometimes, which is fine. I do it all the time. I mean, it just is what it is. But whenever you do slow down and think about the implications and kind of like take a moment. I think that especially here with the history, I think that you can get a lot more out of books and that's what I did with Grace of Kings. And I think that's why it resonated with me so much. And I saw, I mean, a lot of people comment on my review and they were just like, you know, I don't understand how you got emotional with this book because I felt like I was a hundred feet away from these characters. And I'm like, I just thought of them as people. You know, I just I always think about that too. Like whenever like a fancy network hub is wants to know what you are drinking. Oh, this is the good reserve. It's the fire and blood. I'm sorry. Are you the caterpillar from Alice in Wonderland? I haven't seen it probably. If I am, I want royalties. It's the yeah, it's the Targaryen fire and blood one. It's awful. It's legitimately terrible. I don't like it, but I'm going to drink it. Honestly, this is pretty terrible. That's why I still have it. I should have. I had a I had gray goose and Sprite and it was delicious. Actually, it was very good. I mean, this one, I know you're supposed to like freeze it and it's like fucked up now. So it doesn't really work because like it color changes, you know, when you freeze it, the bottle like it's I've had it for a while. So it doesn't really do it anymore. It's like, I know you're supposed to drink it cold, but like honestly, you have to drink it cold because it's not very good. And like when it's cold, like you can't taste things as well. Yes, I have the fire the fire and blood one of those as well. And it's actually worse. Well, I saw because when I was looking for hope, I mean, maybe the stark one again or like since you recommended the dude just drinks. Nice one. But like, I didn't know that Johnny Walker had done because this is the White Walker. This was like the first one they did. And I didn't know that they had a song of ice and a song of fire now. So I looked at those and I looked at the reviews because I liked the bottle for the fire one because like the ice one, it has a wolf on it, not the walker, but like it looks quite similar. So I was like, oh, I want to get the fire one. But I looked at the reviews and the ice one has or the fire one has terrible reviews and the ice one, which is not this, but it is also this color bottle has good reviews. So I was like, maybe the fire one like fireball. No, they're all Johnny Walker. It just tastes like shit. To be honest, it just isn't good. Like I have all three. I don't even remember what the ice one tastes like. I just remember the White Walker one was like and the fire one was terrible, which else is a practice like black label. I really enjoy. So I expected this to be on par with they were like, we can put the shit one in because we have the cool bottle and people are buying for the bottle. Yeah, these idiots will buy it. And I sure did. Yeah. The bottle is cool. I'll just like refill it with some black label. Oh, man. They should do a blue label because it's better. Blue was very good. The maesters reading a caution for young girls at candlelight under the sheets. I don't even remember. I was like, I don't remember that. Dude, it's a miss dunk in the tall like is easily the biggest a song by some fire fan I've ever met. She knows you can't meet yourself. No, no, no, she puts me to shame like I've never seen anyone know the text better. I'm any of the YouTubers. I'd put her up against them. She knows she knows this book in and out. You know, she I would read a section. She's like, oh, what'd you think of this? I'm like, that happened in what I just read. And she's like, yeah, I'm like, shit, missed it. What? This did not help. That's what I'm saying. She just did. She knows this stuff. She's a scholar. I told her she should start a blog because she had a really amazing write up about how women are represented in fire and blood. I think she is a maester. She is. But I told her she should start a block. Is she I mean, she did in my discord. I mean, it was like five paragraph beautifully written. I was like, you should probably publish this somewhere. Like this is really good because I do think the women in fire and blood are awesome. Like Raniera. I mean, some of them go through some awful stuff. And that's I mean, to be clear, that's because we're all sexist and misogynist. That's why we think clearly. That is correct. I found out if you, uh, no, I'll tell you guys after. Are you going to remember Jimmy? I want to know. Not a chance. Not a chance. Our friend, man carrying thing, put out a wonderful critique of the Wheel of Time show. Oh, I wanted to watch that. I think it's a very well done, but people are now saying that he is, um, you know, racist or whatever. And it's like, I mean, they're dummies. Like, anyway, I'm just excited because like I have previously expressed how many hours I'll spend binging Holy shit, an hour and 18 minutes. Dude, it's good. It's honestly. I was excited because like I had hours and hours. I had frankly days and weeks worth of content for like Rise Up Skywalker, which would end like for Fantastic Beasts. So I, when Wheel of Time was what it was, I was like, yes, there's going to be hours and hours of content that's going to be like taking this apart. But no, like, no, there aren't almost any videos that are talking about Wheel of Time. So I was like, Oh, yes. An hour long video talking about Wheel of Time being bad. I'm so excited. Yeah. Somehow that show got really polarizing, like even before it came out and you know, what's nice about House of the Dragon is, is like, I feel like it's just kind of a quiet rumbling leading up to this show. Like everyone knows it's coming. They're not doing a ton of press. Everyone knows it's coming. Mm hmm. Like, well, it's also because like it's an established IP that people have a fan base. Like they don't have to hype it because they're like, wait, build the game of Thrones and they will come. Yeah. I think, especially like we know the score is going to be solid. We know the shots are going to be solid. The writing should be good. Like there's a lot of things that I think you don't have to worry about when it comes to HBO shows and that's nice. Well, from a technical standpoint, because I mean, Wheel of Time had a lot of problems and one of them was technical. Like it wasn't all like, you know, it's just a gorgeous show. In COVID, I mean. Yeah. But I mean, like it wasn't a situation where they're like, oh, they had like all the technical aspects, but then the writing was bad because like the end of the end of Game of Thrones was that way where we're like, everything technically is still beautiful, but the writing is bad. Whereas Wheel of Time also had technical issues. Whereas with like, you say with HBO and House of the Dragon, we can be certain that like at the worst, it'll be like season eight where like it will be great in every way except the writing. Like that's the only thing that could possibly go wrong because it's going to have an amazing team to put everything else together. But to a general audience, big spectacle works. So like, Certainly. Yeah. A lot of general audience probably enjoyed season seven and eight of Game of Thrones because they're just like, this is cool. And they did. Yeah. The general people I know that aren't us like in this Yes. Well, general people have this at an aggregate of like just above three. So general people. I didn't say I agree with them. I didn't say I agree with them, but those are the people that spend the money. I mean, those are the people who show up week and week out and talk about it at work and all that thing, all those things. I mean, I don't know. I'm pretty hyped. I think seeing the dragons again going to be pretty dope. The dragons are sick in this book too. Like I just always forget. Well, I like that they have personalities without being like straight up goofy animal companions that talk, you know, like they have just like you get like through subtext and through the way they talk about the dragons. You have a sense of them as like they're not just it's a dragon. Like there are unique things about each one where they're like they're that's not just also that they're like, oh, they're different colors. Like they have the way that you know your pets, like they have personalities, but they're not personalities in the way that like is a full on human that's a talking dragon. Like it's that I actually like a very giant pet. Yeah, you put you put that in a wonderful way actually a pet because I don't know about you guys, but like my cat Denver hates my mother. I mean, just hates her and it's actually rude. Like he's downright rude to her and but you kind of get that a little bit from like ballerion like ballerion could not stand this air, you know, and well, I enjoy again like this attention to like these little details that just make the the world in the regular series feel real and then in a history book like this, you have to do it in a different way, but you still have to have these like random little like details of history that like this funnily enough is this little quirk of history that like history books will have like and like I think that's a moment in Hamilton again where like they talk they like some some lady named her dog after Hamilton or something and they're like, that's true. Like it's like with those weird like history facts that you just like throughout there. So like the idea of one of the dragons being called cannibal because it eats the other. I was like, I kind of love this. Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of dark too, right? Like the dying off of the dragons. Like I was like, no, like you could see it happening and God, what about the stolen dragon eggs? We get a little portion of it. Do you think those three eggs are the ones Danny got? I mean, you can't help but be like, is it big? I think it's out. I think it was. I think it's just the Easter egg. It's yeah, it come on Easter egg. And we just passed Easter. God, this is perfect. What a great stream for that. I'll drink a little bit more. Oh, God, I'm going to. I know you have other songwriters and fire whiskies, Jimmy. You do not need to or just anything. Sometimes you get a stuffy or like something that doesn't make you stop it. It's good. It's terrible. Mix it with some Coca Cola. I might as well at this point, Vincent said, I like the King Jerry's and Queen Allison's dragons were seem connected since their original writers were married. Yeah. And I like how some of the kids were like naturally good at writing dragons and some of them was also interesting. The dragons reacting when they would die and not because they died in front of them like they would know. Yeah, kind of like the wolves, right? Like there's definitely like a bit of the wit in this world. They are good friends. And here again, like I feel like it feels more authentic because I feel like there are other. I think I said recently and I've said before that like in theory, the idea of a book having dragons, I'm like, oh dragons, but then like 99% of the time I read a book that has dragons in it. And I hate it. Like not that I hate the book, but I don't enjoy. Well, to be fair, you hate every book you read. What is that? But I mean, George or Martin writes dragons in a way that I very much enjoy. Like, I like having a book from the POV of a dragon though, because you could do that. Maybe you'll love it. What, what, what book is that? Oh, shit. I actually, I don't think I do. I still have it. There is a book that I got it like a used bookstore. It's like a multi POV, but I don't think it's starting by like E E night or something. I don't know. I picked it up because it was like a dollar. And I was like, this sounds interesting, but the characters are dragon. It's probably terrible. But I mean, I'd honestly give the shot just because of that. What I was going to say is that like, I feel like other books and other like fantasy stories will try to make a big thing of like, you're a chosen one because like you are a dragon rider and like the dragon has chosen you and you have this like special one in a million bond with the dragon. And here, like it's clear. It's hereditary. The like Targaryens brought dragons Targaryens feel connected to dragons, but not all of them, most of them and even the ones they do feel connected to like sometimes a dragon will take on another rider. Sometimes not. It's like, it's not really mystical. Like it feels like these are temperamental creatures that are like more intelligent than your average animal, but they are not on a human level of intelligence. So like you do have relationships with them and they do bond with certain people better and they do like and they like the Valyrians, which is interesting because of, you know, Valyria like and like the fact that like in when Rainy Rain Rain Rainier Rainier's son is like goes and grabs her dragon and he flies it and falls off of it. Like, but that too, that like the that dragon is like the fucker you like you're not my rider. What is this? That moment got me too, by the way. I was like, this guy's trying to help. Like it was another moment where I was like, this is really sad. And then the lady comes out, was she a breadmaker or something? She comes out and like holds him while he dies and he's like, I'm sorry, mom. It's like, even sadder all the times when the narrator of the book is like and then, you know, some bards tell it where like a maiden came and held him. That's probably just a bard's version to make it a happy ending. That probably didn't happen. And you're like, I wanted to think that it did. Yeah, I forgot about that moment. That moment was pretty pretty tough. Yeah. Yeah. George uses dragons. So Robin Hobb actually has my favorite dragons per se, but they are talking dragons, which is a lot more than yes. And a bunch of other stuff that happens with them like later in the series, I think is really neat, but I think George leverages dragons the best. I think he uses them in his story. I mean, they're nuclear weapons, but also like a pet. They're also like you said, they're highly intelligent without talking. He gets a lot of. They're like dolphins. Dolphins, clearly. Well, dolphins are like the second smartest creature on earth second to humans. I mean, I would assume they're going to pass us soon to be honest. I think there's an episode of Simpsons where they do take over the world and now like humans are subservient to dolphins. They're really filing about it too. Yeah. Lauren Lauren is in the chat. Lauren is just finished fire and blood like a couple of days ago. She like rushed to finish it for this chat. So that was cool of her and she enjoyed it a lot. I think this was her first ever read through of a song by some fire with us. Hell yeah. Isn't that cool? And this was my first time to fire and blood. And I had seven kingdoms, which I did. I did get a little dorky smile when we're talking about the first Kingsguard. And they're like, and yeah, one was a hedge night. I was like, yeah, it was. Let's go. I was like, I said Duncan. I know the name. Oh, Duncan is so awesome. That's great. So great. I'm so proud of her. Have you seen who they cast? Do you know who they cast for? Yeah. So the Coralus Valerian, let me get the actor's name. I think he looks awesome. Who? Coralus Valerian, the sea snake. Did they cast the same guy that played Euron? This is the one that everyone that thinks, you know, that everyone's woke if there's any actor that's not white. So it is a black actor in his name. So it's the guy in the trailer then. Yes, he looks dope. Yeah. Is it a familiar actor? I think it's semi from. I think he's been on some BBC documentary or not or dramas, rather. Let's see. I mean, he's about to be in a documentary called Fire and Blood. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Steve Cousin. Yeah, thank you. That sounds familiar. I watch a lot of British stuff. Yeah, he's a British actor. He's a little older. He's been in a bunch of stuff. So Judge Dredd shooting dogs, the Sands of Time, Prince of Persia, which is interesting. But yeah, I think he looks really cool. And also the actress that's going to be playing Princess Ranira, I think looks amazing. Like she's perfectly cast, in my opinion. Emma Darcy is her name. Yeah, I mean, been in a bunch of stuff. For a lot of this, you just kind of look at it like a lot of fantasy takes place in very white places and part of casting a TV show. It's just going to be inevitable that you don't cast only white people. Yes. Like there are some things where like the last kingdom is almost entirely white people until later in the show. Vikings is almost entirely white people until later in the show, but a lot of that kind of makes sense because it's more like historical of like these places in the year 800 probably didn't have a lot of ethnic diversity. Yeah, while you can take liberty is depending on the style of the show, a historical show that's trying to be somewhat historically accurate is going to try, you know, people that look like the game of that part of the world, but a fantasy. Yeah, but there is no such thing as like accuracy. So yeah, I mean, anyone would argue it for a song of ice and fire simply because it's supposed to be like based on certain locations of history and like historical context, but it's like it's still it's fake. Like everyone will be okay. Yeah. Anyone taking it that serious is really, really dumb or but but like a a critique in the other direction that kind of does make sense that a lot of people say about Wheel of Time was like the two rivers you have this tiny little like remote village out in the middle of nowhere and it's like the most racially diverse place you've ever seen ever. It's like that also doesn't make sense. Like it doesn't bother me, but I'm like, yeah, that doesn't well Bobby J also wrote pale gingers that dwelt in the desert. So I don't know. I think it was broken from the start, bro. Bobby J. I think when you're trying to like make something feel realistic, like there are plenty of like scenes or like locations in these fantasy stories that are more cosmopolitan places like King's Landing or you have a lot of mixing of people. Whereas like if you had like the Starks of Winterfell all looking like very like multicultural, you'd be like unlikely. But like the fact that King's Landing is very multicultural, very likely the fact that the further south you go, like very likely any trading town, any trading post, very multicultural, very likely. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And also the Valerian's like we don't like they can be whatever like we didn't see them featured in the main series because they're they're gone. So like we can do whatever we want with they're gone because of racism. That's possibly true. But Coral's Valerian is so interesting because he's the one doing so much of the voyaging in the series and like mapping out different places that they haven't been. But he's also part of whenever Damon Target, which will be played by Matt Smith whenever they wage webs on wage webs wage war on the stepstones because Damon wants his own kingdom. And there's wage webs. I really wanted like a Spider-Man crossover where they're like web slinging off of dragons. Yeah. I mean, I'm down again. I'd buy a ticket. But I thought that whole thing where Damon was trying to get his own kingdom down at the stepstones and like just blowing them up with dragons like basically just trying to colonialize colonialize that area was pretty interesting. Duncan's Hall says the council passing over Rainey's claim was doubly sad. First over her sex and second over her bump. The Sea Snake was the best hubs. He totally might dropped his way out of the council. Yeah. Yeah. Rainey is in the Sea Snake are going to be awesome to see you together. It's gonna be cool. Yeah. I mean like that whole time like not that I mean they're both sides are kind of awful during the dying of the dragons greens and blacks. Yeah. But like if there is like I mean it's hard to say anyone's in the right because they were conquerors in the first place. They made their own rules as they went. So you're like how can you really claim to be like this is right. But I mean like if anyone is right Rainey's has the claim she was made the heir by her father. He never changed if he had plenty of opportunity to change it and like when this is all going down you're like that seems like the side that it's kind of like Stannis like if anyone has a claim it's Stannis like guys like it's hard to look for the other side. Yeah. And Allison Hightower is kind of sold to us as being this person that kind of weaseled her way in for this area was dying and you know I love the whole greens and blacks thing which I think is a callback and you might know this better than me but tutor history is that correct. I feel like you know history more than I do. I don't know that it's anything specific about greens and blacks but I mean like colors have always been you know yeah my factions. Yeah I thought maybe it was even pre tutor there was something with colors like yellow versus red or something and I thought George was kind of paying homage to that with greens in the blacks but I just thought that whole thing was really neat and Allison Hightower and Rainey's being at odds that's like I think exactly where the show is going to pick up because in the trailer it seems like they're showing Viserys dying is what it appears to be so I think that's like right where the show is going to kick off and then you have the Kristen Cole Sir Kristen Cole the night which do you guys remember Jamie was talking about the kingmaker and he was talking about Kristen Cole all the way back I think even in book two or three I thought that was really cool to see Kristen Cole because there's so much question about what role did he actually play was he really into Rainey's or was she trying to get with him and we kind of don't have any answers to be honest but I think the show is going to have to answer it. You just I mean this isn't to do specifically what you just said but like reading fire and blood like I would at no point recommend that someone start with that but at the same time like it makes me like want to have read it before reading the main series so like the only way because like y'all the only way that this book makes sense is if you read the series for the only way that the like this not the only way but like then it makes you want to like you the only way you get those references is if you've read fire and blood before reading the series so you have to read the series read fire and blood and then re-read the series. I mean that's kind of what people say about the summer really on to and that's why they call this the grimoire Leon or whatever he called it. Also it was Reneer and not Rainey's Hunter correct me and he's correct my bad. Yeah that does add a bunch of context though doesn't it. It's pretty neat. Pretty damn neat and I'll be honest that this is a weird connection to make but it does make me want to get the summer really on and then like see how much is in there because like now that I know that I enjoy these types of books like I'm sure Tolkien was excellent at it as well. Well like people I mean I always heard that the summer really was unreadable but then I've had a lot I mean a while ago I had people telling me no no no no you specifically there's going to be stuff in the summer really that you're going to really like so like I have a copy because I was like okay maybe I will and now yeah because like declaration of the rights magicians that people talk about being like really dry and like it's too historical and I love the shit out of it and fire and blood love the shit out of it. So I was like you know what summer really and yeah that might be my cup of tea. I could see you liking Grace of Kings. Yeah I'm excited to read that. Yeah I think it's really good. Possibly my favorite book of the first quarter actually. Nice. I mean with how much Hillary's I did I was like it's better we good. Yeah. Kingdoms of death yet though. It's it's also just a really nice hardback which is a weird thing to say but Saga Press did it same people who do Durfee's books and their quality is just outstanding. I have a paperback. I mean that's fun to I wish I would done the paperback because let me tell you what the hardback a book to I ordered a month and a half ago and it's lost. So I'm pissed. Very hard to get. Oh Andy Plyes what's up buddy. He's in the chat. That's my best friend Merlion wasn't meant to be published. What. Yeah. Well no he really set in the 70's right. I got it back there. I got the original American print of it. There's a lot of Tolkien stuff that's like come out since then that's like he had some notes on this publish it. When mills slam that in the Walden books let's go just illustrate it put a beautiful cover on it new Tolkien book. Yeah I do wonder Alex you kind of said this earlier you said you wonder if they're just going to continue to go back to the well with this book. And I'll be honest part of me who thinks that House of the Dragon could be episodic and I think season one might cover the entire dying of the dragons which would be really difficult because I mean it's also a weird place to start though right because agreed like going back to like it's like when an author has a really great book that's like their third book and then you read it and then you go back to read their early works and it's not as good. So I'm thinking that if it does well enough HBO is going to be like I like money. Let's do that again and pull another story but it would be weird if they start with like the dance or the dying of the like if they start there then we're going to go back towards like are you going to go back and do egg on the first and like the original like conquering which like is cool but then it's decidedly more boring after you already did like the big epic like TV kind of thing of yeah like the dance so I don't know to be fair I do think that if this is an episode yeah Hobbit's phenomenal actually like more than the trilogy not this is a crazy person that I am a crazy for you're you're right. I the movies. No one's no stop it except for the dwarves the dwarves singing. I'm glad those movies happened to give us the dwarves listen to him really and to be like this is actually be better than there are people there are people that think this is better. Those people are crazy. Yeah, never, never would you say the fire and blood is better than the main series of a song of ice and fire. No, but it is like maybe stop if I'm being honest I think it's the one I want to reread the most right now like I it's probably the least that you you probably got the least out of it through one reread and you've reread the main series so many times you know it like there's a lot more to go through here that you haven't done before. I don't think it's better than the main series but I think it's the most impressive thing he's written. That's fair. I think it's the most difficult. When I read George there's a few authors that do this for me but George specifically I'm like I wish I could even tell the stories half as good as this like I wish I could come up with the names a plot that's half as good as this the characters like there's a piece of me that like likes creating things and it's just like really intimidating to a what you need to do is become a history nerd and then just add dragons. Yeah, because that's all he did right? I mean it does help. It certainly helps. Part of me wishes that he would pick different times in history. I mean he does but I would love to see like the Bronze Age collapse played out in a fantasy world. I told that to Stephen Erickson and he agreed with me but I think it would be very difficult because no one really knows what happened on the Bronze Age collapse like to receive people. That's all that people really know. Well it sounds Jimmy like that's the book that you should write. They say write what you'd want to read. Yeah, I'm too dumb. That's that's a problem. Intelligence is important. Confidence is important. You know Hayden said I'm excited for the opening theme for House of the Dragon. You're damn right. It's going to be awesome. I don't think it'll be as awesome as the Game of Thrones. Nothing will ever be as awesome as that. That's the greatest intro. Like anytime that I think that I'm like I mean Game of Thrones is good but you know and then I hear the theme music and I'm like God it was the shit. Because it's just so high. It's so good. You can't have that awesome of a theme song and then put anything next to it. Like whatever House of the Dragon is could be really sick but you're always just going to want that. They should just raise it. I told Hillary that there has never in the history of ever been better theme music like a show theme music than Game of Thrones and she'd never seen the show before. So I was like and I was like I am not overhyping this because it's impossible to overhype this. I was like there's literally never been better. And so then I sent her you know just like a YouTube that's like the you know the opening credits and she was like okay yeah that was amazing. I was like yes it was. The light of the seven is one of the songs I think when I got to go to a dark place and then push through I put on light of the seven. It used to piss my wife off because when when that came out it was on my Spotify playlist because I just I it was so cool and like I had already watched that intro to that episode so many times and she'd be playing music and all of a sudden that comes on. She's like what the fuck am I listening to. I was just like don't worry about it. It's too fast. Did it did it. Oh God damn if the beat builds it's incredible. That's not popular. We like Roy for nostalgia purposes and that's about it. Yeah Roy is Roy's Roy Rip Roy but one person in my comment section that told me I was actually just false and Roy is in fact a good narrator like I was just I was just wrong. He really made the work his own. I had my facts incorrect. So I apologize. He's actually just the best. You know I have an appreciation for but to say that you know I mean Simon Vance. I was the best narrator that there is for the song of fire and ice. So she was about it. I generally appreciate Brian chapters. Was it Harry Lloyd? Who's was Harris? Yeah. Is that the name? Yeah. He killed it for 97 kingdoms. Yeah his voice just fit. Well in this narrator like sounds like when you would want for a history book. Yeah. Simon Vance has a good voice. Yeah. I wouldn't mind Jonathan Keeble doing the narration if we ever got another song of ice fire but he does the Warlord Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell and Jonathan Keeble is just like when I was listening to I was like oh this is very similar to a song of ice and fire like this guy would murder it. I also feel like the guy that does the Sun Eater narration. Oh Samuel Sam Roken or yeah. Sam Roken. Samuel Roken. He's fantastic. Here what share the can we talk about how fire and blood provides a ton of evidence for Mesa conspiracy. So are we talking about just the Mesa conspiracy of like removing magic from the world? Yeah removing magic from the world possibly having something to do with the fact that dragons died out. I mean it definitely seems like they have a hand in it. They do not speak of dragons in the Targaryens very favorably as we see in fact mushrooms a little bit more complimentary of the Targaryens than anybody. Who is it that's supposed to be telling this story? Septus. Septum. It's I think it starts with an M. But it's so it's someone from the faith. Yes it is. So there's already there's a type of spin to it. If it's someone from the faith now it says it's by Arch Maester Gildane. Yeah. So that's who I mean it's a maester not a septon. Oh yeah I'm sorry did I say septon? I'm sorry. Yeah maester my apologies. Had a little to drink just a little just a small amount. The gray rats are up to something. Dude the Citadel in itself is like my favorite thing and I saw like I just there's so much mystery there I can't wait to perceive to go there. Amazed right but we do see the septons in religion play a big role especially with Aegon whenever he lands like it shows how big of an impact the faith had and which again like it's an I mean I've said this so many times about George's writing we're like it's a you can see what parts of like religious history he's drawing on but it also doesn't feel like okay so that's Catholic church it's literally just that like it has enough nuances of its own where it feels like authentic unique world building while still being familiar in terms of the type of political situation that you end up with when you have like the faith versus the crown. Yeah yeah it definitely doesn't feel like a one for one with Catholicism I don't think which is cool but it's still as recognizable as like oh these are the types of kind of problems that were like there were with the Catholic church yes and marrying your own sister pisses them off quite a bit they're not fans. Well I mean Henry the eighth like he didn't want to marry his sister but it was over marriage that he broke with the Catholic Church which is interesting because that happens all twice in Fire and Blood and Henry the eighth George is a massive fan of Henry the eighth so there's a lot of rumors and people you know talk about how Henry the eighth was possibly crippled is that correct is it crippled or he but he was syphilitic yes syphilitic and people also question like how sound of mind he was whenever he ruled and I believe that George is in the camp that actually in like likes Henry the eighth if I'm not mistaken and I think that that's why he writes a lot of his rulers similar to him there's also a lot of comparisons between Henry the eighth and Tyrion that people draw there's a lady her name is Adrian Dillard she's a good friend of mine she's a historical fiction author really really smart and she has a lot of experience with the Tudor history and I've heard her talk for like two or three hours about Henry the eighth and how it impacts Tyrion in the series it's fascinating if you like history it's just I'd love to I should bring her on at some point talk to her because she knows so much notably Tyrion does not have six wives yet yet yet and Tyrion's the youngest which I mean as a similarity because like Henry the eighth was not he was not raised to be king like he was the spare and it's because his older brother died that he took sounds like Ned Stark sounds like Ned Stark is a lot. I mean I believe you that Tyrion is inspired by him but like Ned Stark situation where like he marries Catlin because his older brother was supposed to marry that's exactly what happened to Henry the eighth well I should be more clear there's pieces of Henry that are Tyrion very direct but like Henry the eighth all over the story because Ned I mean Ned's a one for one with that right but honestly like the character the way he's portrayed like just like you know demeanor and attitude that most reminds me of Henry the eighth is Robert Baratheon yeah which is the ruler at the time right yeah and like his disdain towards his like lady wife and the way he likes he'd rather just drink and have a good time and like he's not really like he'd never really planned to be king like he wasn't exactly like no one raised him with that in mind no one knew this would happen and for different reasons because like Henry is royal there was a rebellion to put Robert on the throne but same thing where like Henry the eighth was like he was just like a party boy like he wasn't supposed to be king and he would rather just have a good time with his buddies then rule out sometimes you just want to bro out Daria also had something nice to say in chat that I think is true she says and true groom style he introduced how important the high towers are before I think we see them in a song of ice and fire yes with your on coming down to Old Town and Sam being there I think the high towers are about to be very relevant in the main series yeah may gore yeah keep trying to have a kid was exactly Henry the eighth yep and it keeps blaming all the wives it's your fault it's your fault none of them are giving me a children you're like maybe it's you Henry I mean may gore hey hey hey we don't blame the guy now come on never I don't get awkward though when you marry someone whose fertility was proved and then you're like well I better not marry her because then like people would be like well then it's definitely me yanks the pipes are busted when you guys were reading this I mean I kept thinking about how it would impact the main series like going forward because he did decide to publish this book before winds of winter which you know I'm sure part of it was the fact that he needed to get a book out or something but I do think that he definitely put information in here that's going to matter for instance the dragon not going to be on the wall but what I kind of took from this is that like the Targaryen dynasty has always been fighting itself to stay existent yeah and I think more than ever I believe that the main series is really about the last the dying out of the last Targaryen's being John and Danny and I'm the snow oh oh yeah you're right my bad my bad you've been drinking Jimmy yeah getting I'm getting my lore mixed up I think Tyrion is the Targaryen you're thinking of well to be honest though I do think that like even if John is a Targaryen which I think we all agree that he is I think it's too much sense it makes way too much sense and honestly the series would be worse if he wasn't yeah but I'll see you I guess there would have to be something equally equally impressive that we haven't seen coming that would fit and be like wow how did I not see that coming that checks all the boxes we you had us thinking of the Targaryen but it's actually this which makes so much you know like it would have to be something yeah there's some cool stuff out there but it's not like our plus L equals J without a doubt and now I think there was a Targaryen everyone's a Targaryen dude great worm bro he's Valyrian well if it's going to maybe it'll be one of those Harry Potter fantastic B switch rules where they're like okay so there was a baby with our plus L but then that baby got switched and so then like there was a baby stress me out John is actually a different baby trust me out off you know the problem is if you talk for 20 minutes and you make a couple graphics on YouTube I'll believe you I know do a tiktok on it and go viral I'll go you know what guys I'm starting to think maybe we need to reread and that's how conspiracies work Jim I just need a fancy YouTube video you can't prove me wrong you can't and you make it that your narrative there's a really really old standup from John Oliver where he's like you know you might have noticed that I will that I'm speaking with a British accent so just the words you'll be hearing tonight will be presented to you with more authority than you're used to that's so true but yeah I kind of took from this this read through I was just like you know what do these initials Ned were Ned plus a Shara equals doctor wait what is deep what is the actually I probably know but I'm denies yeah I mean get out of here that's ridiculous that's ridiculous Vincent how dare you but I do think that the Targaryen history is like clearly a pathway to show that like yes the final crescendo of the series being a song of I said dick being this Jesus Christ that a song of I some fires final crescendo is the last dying breaths of the Targaryen dynasty like that's what we're reading or it's their resurgence done done done done done done done done the reason it's not going to be a resurgence though is because Girm already said like Danny's burning down King's Landing yeah that's going to happen that's going to happen he's not going to burn it down and then rebuild old Valeria though I do that would be sick I'd be in for that I do think unless John survives and actually takes the throne and is now the like new wave of the Targaryen dynasty is that all the dragons are probably going to be dead so oh that's because though they're going to get turned into undead dragons and we can't have that also I do have to laugh at Miss Duncan's the Tolls if I wonder if Fire and Blood part two and that's all you need to to read in that statement is will come after Dream of Spring including the Danny, John and Gryff story oh you know that would be badass that I mean like let's just just pretend like wishful things in here right that wouldn't that be sick though if he finishes the series and then you see this recap and Fire and Blood I mean that would be really to see how the history would be written I guess and then we actually read the story like that would that'd be cool wishful thinking I mean as to why he came out with Fire and Blood before you know the next books and you were saying might be because he wants us to know something for the next ones maybe I would guess and I obviously have no idea I don't know him but I would guess that like where he's at in the series like he has so many threads and so many things and so many corners that he's arguably written himself into and so many things have not gone exactly the way we know he originally kind of planned them to go he's like gone off course a bit and so then it is like really daunting to try to like write your way back out of that and like finish this out yeah and like you do sometimes have to like step away I'm not saying you step away for 20 years but like to step away and not just take time off but then like start talking about other parts of your world other times in your world and then like while doing that it's keeping the world in your mind and you're not not doing anything but it's helping you to like maybe work some stuff out in your brain about like what else is going on that might start some ideas about how to like echo that or fix that or create new possibility that you were too close to it to see before now that you've written this over here you're like from a distance I can actually see how I can make this work so like that might be why you wrote this first and then like if we are going to have basically spoilery things in the part to a fire in blood then he does have to leap frog back to the series before we get the other part of fire and blood Yeah and one thing that I finish when I finished reading this I know this will not be stuff anyone wants to hear but if fire and blood to came out before wins a winner I would read the hell out of it like I would love it of course you I want wins of winter more than anything but more than world case yes if you give me a little more Duncan egg or you give me a little more fire and blood I honestly would be that'd be fine nice consolation prize yeah yeah the hour of the wolf yeah that was badass as yeah super cool and someone was talking about I think it was Hayden said I feel all the history gives brand so many possibilities and as much as people meme on brand yeah like well because if you actually think about what he is or like how powerful the three I grow would be if he actually has access to all of history mm-hmm there he could see so many cool things and and also if he can influence it technically the history read is not actually written yet like yeah because I mean if if you take so like the tower of joy which was like potentially one of the coolest things of the show was going to do and then kind of like didn't go all the way with it if brand can actually do that and alter and like jump into people in the past and literally change things like that's he's gonna be the super villain because he could just like do some crazy shit and it would be awesome but who has a better story that brand the broken potentially that could be true if done better it's not in the show is he has all stories the show was just like I have to go now and I'm just literally I feel bad for the actor because he like didn't know what to do and didn't know he was like so I'm going to be sitting at a wheelchair doing and saying nothing for the rest of the show great thanks guys no working a dragon or anything just no just just went to sleep no that won't work because everyone's going to read everything that George writes yeah I will say though the as I'm not saying the book is going I'm coming out anytime soon but this is the most that I've seen George like repeatedly mentioned wins in his blog and say that it's a gigantic book and it's probably going to say forever for him to even like parse that down or we're going to get a 1500 page wins a winner and it would be sick but yeah it does seem like I mean there's obviously been real progress made and he does edit as he goes which is probably one of the reasons why he's so slow but that latest blog post was relatively positive but I also wasn't as negative on the one that like set the entire fandom off and had like some of my favorite YouTubers like stop making content for the series I was like damn I didn't take it negative at all interesting we've talked about this before that we're apparently unusual and the fact that we hold the view that authors are not our bitches and that like yeah I don't care that they write stuff we like we are grateful for yeah I mean like I've had so much fun going through you know this is what whatever time this is rereading it but like rereading with you guys has been so much fun I could be disappointed but I'm disappointed by a lot of stuff of my life I know Jimmy would if I would not I would not would you all do another reread yeah would I sure would I mean I would I would think about it for sure I think I would I don't there's so much content on the internet like I could just yeah watch someone else explain the entirety of the series and we could also just watch our split like if it was but if it was coming out like you know you would like to build up the like waiting for it to like read the books as the countdown to it coming out and I would probably read feast and dance again oh if if Girm came out and was just like and fire and blood and said like December 1st 2023 is the release date I'd be like I don't be but five months prior I would probably start to reread and just end right when it comes out yeah be oh my god I also was like this year I wouldn't do it again because we just finished a reread yeah so yeah it won't be this year unfortunately oh I know but like if Benjamin said 18 months it was that long I mean I would yeah if I knew for a certain that it was then probably yeah because I read Stormlight a year ago and honestly like I would love to read Stormlight again right now like I've been thinking about it lately so I'm I'm I try not to reread as much because like I want to cover new content on my channel and stuff but I do love rereads yeah so fun well if your content on your channel is not paying the bills then fuck it do whatever you want exactly that's why I do so many less videos now because I'm like this I mean I'll nobody is watching them I'm not rolling in cash from my YouTube channel it's like you're not I'm just I'm I have made like $300 in two years so you know no I actually stopped monetizing any of my videos because I just don't care but I just I do a lot less videos now because I'm like I just I don't I don't want to make a video right now it's not going to so yeah and it's almost like we just do this for for the love of the game as they say we do book reports on the internet for fun Z's exactly that's what he booked you this Hunter Hunter said something that's interesting said on individual basis if Martin is unable to finish his series and that retroactively makes his previous setup less valuable and in that my in that case my assessment of as an author will go down yet and I've always said that it for when he does not finish his series like then it is time to judge right like where does that put him in the conversation for like all-time greats and all this stuff I can tell you from my individual basis that he'll still be my favorite author I mean it's all subjective when you say but also like previous setup is less valuable I don't know what metric or measuring value by because like that setup was it's not like it wasn't there for a reason and that reason never came to fruition because of like time and mortality but like then it's still food for like what might have been and we would have notes to see like what he might have planned so like I don't I don't know what valuable means well and also are you talking about valuable for the genre because George is probably the most influential author since like Rowling and Tolkien I would my guess would be valuable in the sense of like currently we all love it and we're still holding out hope that it's finished but I could kind of see why like if it never actually does people could be really bitter and be like well then what was all this for yeah they're yeah I I could absolutely see a lot of people doing that but there's there's always going to be people that say like us like no just read the books because they're great like yeah it sucks that you're not going to get the payoff but it doesn't lessen what is there you just never get the finality of it like when they're also there's so many like buildings and monuments and things and history that they know like in the time they were being built they never got finished and they are still places that people to this day visit and pay great huge amounts of money to see and because they were unfinished did not make them less valuable they are still cherished and admired to this day so yeah I think if he I mean as if he threw up his hands and was like you know what guys I'm fine and I'm perfectly healthy and I plan to live another 60 years but I'm not finishing the series because fuck you then I'd be like yeah okay well then sir well yeah it's also very different you know a lot of people say I actually don't agree with that I mean he's made he has written hundreds of pages of winds of winter I don't think he has any reason to really lie about that like he doesn't get like paid for lying about that those same people probably think that fire and blood was like an easy cash grab and you're like you have no concept of how writing works okay well here's what happens someone said that on Reddit and then a bunch of people parroted on YouTube that's what happened I mean that's how internet opinions work you just rip other people's content and you act like it's your opinion to Hunter's point though of like so you think if he doesn't finish it because he doesn't know how that means the setup wasn't well crafted I see where he's coming from I think it's more so that it's not that it's not well crafted I think he's pulled himself in so many different directions because he can't he can't help but like keep going with different plot threads that it's like how do I fit all of this into a book and then finish it into book so like the fact that winds is as long as long as it is currently is probably because he set up so much shit and doesn't want to do feast and dance again where he splits them up and has like 20 different POVs but you have to split the book in half so I think he's trying to fit a lot of stuff in winds and wrap up some of it and then it would probably pair down for Dream of Spring because a lot of stuff would likely end by then I think there's just so much going on that he's like I don't one I mean it's probably like to get in his mentality is probably impossible but there's probably a lot of just like he wants to do it his own way he doesn't want to disappoint people he probably confused the shit out of himself arguably for many plot threads and then there's some that he's probably just he wants to get it right and I don't it's just hard there's so much shit going on he also has a world view for Westeros and SOS like he he even said he said I know like most of you only care about this one thing but for me as a creator I care about all of these things and that pissed off so many people he literally crafted this in his brain like so impressive we just get to read it um I and by the way I I mean I disagree with Hunter on a personal basis but I do think that it's valid that he has that opinion like I think there there will be a lot of people who set it down say you know forget this doesn't have an ending I'm not one of those people for instance Alex you're reading a gentleman Bastards right now and seeing how positive you are on it like I'm going to read it's all it's sounds dope and you know why positive he is on it because I I'm of the mindset because before I I was standoff about it because I was like why there's three books with this what I remember to be like seven and and I will warn you though that like the ending of the third book is way even more than the song of I inspire is an ending where you're like I'm sorry you just left us there excuse me so that's going to suck and it's the same thing with rock it's like I haven't read name of the wind yet but again like I don't I mean when people talk about King Killer Chronicle like I'm like yes I want more because this is good and I want more but King Killer Chronicle is very like journey and we're experiencing this life and it is interesting and it is poetical and I can reread it and reread it and it's beautiful and like there are many things that are left you know as questions that I would like the answers to and I would like another book but it's not like you end Weissman's fear and you're like I must know whereas like Republic of Thieves ends in a way where you're like I'm sorry what yes I mean like that sucks right so if you just took like well I mean think about the ending of dance like if you end basically with all these cliffhangers that we have like John literally just got murdered and then it's just like the boilers come on and then it's just like okay now what like we never get to see any of these like 30 different plot threads wrap up like that sucks but I'm not going to I can promise you that nothing about where dance ends is as much of a what because Republic of Thieves well I'll find out in a couple of months when I finish that and then I get upset at Scotland for not finishing the books I mean I put off reading Republic of Thieves cause I was like I want to read it closer to when the fourth is announced and then that was taking a while so like three years ago I read Republic of Thieves and we are still waiting for the one of I mean so yeah it's going to suck when I catch up and I'm like oh shit the fourth book still is nowhere in sight but having read lies a lot of Mora I absolutely adore it and like so much I'm not going to turn this into that chap but like it fit a lot of what I do because it's in a book so if you're interested in and just read it because you're probably going to enjoy the hell out of it for what it is and just know that you're not going to get the series also like at least not it's a good way to go obviously not with Republic at these because of like aforementioned cliffhanger but like lies can kind of be read as a standalone like if you really didn't want to absolutely function does a standalone because it because at least at the start of this like it ends for but like it ends that story yeah so like a very much functions as like if you never got anything else like that was just a really good book and then maybe they had other adventures and it just never got public of these yeah so that's different yeah it's not a standalone yeah on a broader point though I think like taking things as they come and having level the expectations is actually just a good way to live your life like it's hard and sometimes right that's how I approach most things though I don't think it is either yeah I don't think I think especially us three doing the reread this time we appreciate it a lot of I mean like if we're saying bloated in terms of like here and there could it have been edited down a little bit I mean sure sure especially they're like especially some of the little more voyeuristic things they're like just like just cut that just just cut that out and where everyone's better off but like yeah overall like it's not a book that I would say this is a bloated book yeah and a lot of the world butting he does is actually rather impressive in my opinion and I think if he's for crows I mean Leanna you said you didn't like it the first read during this time you gave it five stars mm-hmm and it's not like I hated it the first right right it was more just like a but there's a lot of goodness in a feast for crows I think it's it's the book that gets like the biggest it's clearly one of the weaker books at least for me it's one of the weaker ones but like it's still a really good book well yeah feast for crows is kind of like the before they were hanged and it took me and out almost two hours to mention first loss so I think I deserve a drink for that but I mean before they were hanged is like the middle book of an already meandering trilogy so like the first time and probably the second time that I read it I was like mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm but like now that I've read it doesn't matter how many times before they were hanged is my favorite one because I think on like the rereadability of it is them is the best and so like I see for crows I think the reread like on a second go through like I enjoy the hell of it and I don't think that the first time through it's likely that anyone would feel that way it's only when you have hindsight and you have the expectation of this will be slower like when you go in fully prepared and knowing what this will be like it's fantastic I actually think I liked it more than last argument though because there was without spoiling anything there was some like magical elements of book three that I was like okay this is kind of dumb and there were certain characters that I was like I genuinely just don't like this person and this is not that interesting but books one and two I think were better why I thought like I mean most people I think last argument is their favorite and it was for me just because it's the one that like after a lot of meandering you're like oh actually this had a point and like these are all the answers and oh my God those are like legit answers this all makes so much more sense now so like that like that last book gives you that feeling that you're like oh but then like when you already know the answers on your like reread then you're like okay I know the answers like I'm not excited to learn the answers I know so like the journey becomes so much more about like what you're reading for sure good well I was going to say reread is a totally different experience right like it's just it is I used to be very anti reread just because I'm like I already read it like what do I care but rewriting a book nerd no but like I'm a giant hypocrite because I will replay the same video game that yeah you will it literally doesn't change on repeat like you know when we were kids we definitely watched the same movies over and over and over and over again you know it's weird I don't like rewatch movies when you were a kid you didn't rewatch movies like Disney like I can quote all of step brothers and I will still laugh the ever before you had me be like it's like comfort food but I think so justifiably for a lot of people feast is weaker and bothers people simply because a storm of swords is so fucking good yeah and then all of a sudden you don't have half of your favorite characters in the next book because he wanted to explore other this happens so like that so I get it but like the book is not bad and there's still very interesting things happening yet it sucks that you don't have most of the characters that you care about and if you don't like Cersei it's not gonna it's not I love Jamie and she is Jamie's the best rather good but then you get to wins or you get to wins do you get to wins I know you don't you get to dance dragons and it's and then all of a sudden you have a lot of characters that you like again and yeah you know this happens in berserk as well as I'm reading through this the eclipse is like the big moment of berserk and everyone talks about it's like the storm of swords of berserk right and I continued on and I was like oh it's not going to be as good as after I comment off the screen we're talking about a song away as a fire you don't have to leave up your joe ab crown B propaganda Leanna cannot help herself I know I mean facts are facts and I just like promoting the truth fact check early I mean like and we talked about this before and like I literally like did a chat with Jimmy talking about these all they're specifically like where I was allowed to talk we're like I I am grateful that unlike Jimmy whose favorite is Georgia Martin my favorite is Joabra Cromby so I'm grateful that my favorite author writes his trilogy and one draft and is like I've written the whole thing and now we're publishing it in segments because like that's that's very comforting to know that he finishes the project but I also I don't think that Georgia Martin is a worse author it's not like he's not my favorite they're doing he hasn't finished it yeah I mean they're also just completely different approaches to the same yeah and I I don't think that saying hey George do what Abercrombie does and like I don't care if that's not your style do that like it would be a crappy book if we made George do that well George is writing epic fantasy like to the traditional sense the Tolkien sense yeah but it's also Abercrombie's so much of the years because like if you go back to when he first started it was going to be a trilogy mm-hmm like it's expanded since then if he sat down in 1990 it was like I'm going to write a seven book epic and I'm which if he'd read his wrote his trilogy all in one go he would have known it wasn't a trilogy and we also would have saw John Mary Arya and now I've been awkward Yikes I mean he does like incest he's a big fan it is amazing how like quickly because I mean partially like you already know before you pick a fire and blood that the Targaryens did this mm-hmm so you're like already ready for that and then like it's it's not very far into a fire and blood that I don't know about you but personally like when the faith is being like no you can't marry brother to sister I'm like why not there's Targaryens like get over it but see the faith the faith hates that but there's so many like other things that they're cool with that is just like this sounds like the faith in here you know I mean that's I mean I one is the one of the parts and we like you talked about Alice saying visiting the moles down but like when I loved that part of the book the conversation that happens after it's not just like this is wrong and we fixed it like it's more like there's the actual conversation that happens about that where they're like they're going to piss a lot of people off like we do we think it's right no we don't but like is it worth fighting over why to cause a bigger problem and the way that she's like you know the faith supposedly protects you know women and whenever like why is the faith okay with this like you shouldn't be and they're like isn't like I mean talked about this about in first law as well where like now she's on a roll she can't help it anymore it's just going to keep going like when you present like I like when authors do that and we talked about it in the main series as well like when slavery comes up for things like that too where you present a situation you don't have the protagonists show up and be like this is wrong and we fixed it and everything's fine now like they're presented as the complicated nested issues that they are where like we agree that you know premonacta is like most no bueno but the fact that the conversation isn't like I had no idea this was going on immediately royal decree that is no more like they have an actual conversation when everyone's like yay we're better this is a nuanced issue and like yeah I mean Abercrombie does the same thing and I like that the main characters don't come in and are like this is wrong and we fixed it to like well first of all let's go back to the comment that we keep ignoring of who's your favorite Targaryen ruler Jaehares the first Jaehares is that is that well but it's also who's your favorite this is always the question to like who's your favorite like that you would want to be your king or who is your favorite to read about honestly I have a question before we do that no it is there is still this that exists I mean I'm not I'm not opposed to this I knew it Jimmy was like I don't know time for buddy reads the rest of the year but as soon as Alex breaks out world of ice and fire Jim is like I mean I could make time though if need be well a lot of it's from fire and blood so you could glance over look at the pretty pictures and move on which is cool I was a surprise pleasantly surprised by how many illustrations there are in fire yeah they're good too yeah I mean like I would be expecting and fully satisfied with like maybe five you know but like there's a lot mm-hmm yeah it's a lot better than the illustrated additions the anniversary editions of the main books they were as illustrated as this like I would have been sweet yeah we do we do have that dope Tyrion picture though you know what I'm talking about Oh I know exactly what you talked about Oh God damn it is all man one part of this book that I forgot to mention I really liked was blood and cheese like the assassin and like the muscle like the assassin or the the dirty deed doers for dare dare anyone say this book isn't interesting and suspenseful and emotional because of it I was like what are they going to do he cuts Jerry's head off you're like what the fuck and then like literally like it's Sophie's choice when like they make the mom name a child to kill like that's literally Sophie's choice yeah and then like and that she ended up killing herself right then she throws herself out of a window supposedly some people thought she was murdered later the daughter also throws herself out the window yeah dude blood and cheese I mean I hope we get to see that on screen like just think that like they I don't know if that was like on purpose on George Martin's part that he didn't or he was like the rules don't apply here we didn't do that but like often I mean I watch I don't like reading a lot of like murder mysteries or crime books but I like watching shows like that a lot and it's very satisfying that there's a who done it that you find out who did it like yeah anyway usually when it's like a suspected suicide the conversation always goes to that women tend to let their throat or shoot themselves and women are more likely to like poison themselves and so then like both mom and daughter because there is rumor about like well where they murdered and like to throw yourself out of a window and impale yourself is decidedly a violent way to kill yourself and so like I don't know if Targaryens are different George doesn't care it's also not like scientifically proven that women will never choose a violent end but like that's never brought into question is like what a woman do this yeah that I would say which like especially for the little girl with a little girl care to make a political statement by impaling herself good question not actually a bad point yeah Targaryens think they can fly well we also know there's a Targaryen that thought that he could turn himself into a dragon right and we met him in Dunkin'ang well there's also the part where like he's not a Targaryen but what's her name's husband who's like you fly around I'll fly and he like goes out the window and kills himself so like there's also a hatch I want the main man which dip shit was that the drink wildfire I just remember it's from Dunkin'ang and it was the one brother that was the asshole that dunk whooped his ass and almost died for it to dunk just whooping a prince's ass yeah God what what a Chad so good was it through what where he is I'm not you know we're just talking about how did it happen was it their decision to do the switch or a sick nara twist oh yeah was it blood and cheese's decision to cut off to Harris head because like you know she picks the other the um the other son right so did reneera tell hand towel blood and cheese to do that or our blood and cheese just like sick individuals well I think it's unlike because like the way that comes about like they couldn't have planned for like meeting her it's very like it's like of the spur of the moment were presented with mom and the kids you know like you couldn't really plan that situation yeah I mean I guess you could say no matter what she says take take the air but like there's no there's no guarantee that you would have even seen the mom like you could just sneak in and kill one of them you know what I mean no it's true to yeah that's like you couldn't think like maybe if they're like just okay so in the unlikely event that you see all three together you are to ask the mother and then you are to do the office like it seems unlikely that you'd plan that yeah that's a lot of planning yeah that's fair yeah blood and cheese what an interesting there could be short stories about them just doing daemons dirty deeds and like okay so as much as well and basically as much as the series brother like the at the beginning you're like what an asshole where he's like you know he likes to hang out with the gold cloaks and he just like you know he clearly wants power and he's like real pissed about not being next in line like he's kind of a dick but then like later much much later when he's able to get into King's Landing because the gold cloaks they're still his dudes I was kind of like yeah they are yeah daemon man he's he's a he's a dastardly guy he does some pretty crazy stuff like you're I mean you're Jamie Lannister yeah quite a bit quite a bit and then he ends up marrying his like really young what is it niece or whatever like there can't be separate I'm like ooh he's I'm sorry that's the marriage on this book that you are well he kind of you're he kind of grooved her I mean let's be honest daemon's a groomer confirmed I mean he is but again like I don't think that's the worst thing this book that I've needed a Chris Hanson character to sit him down it's not narrowly as creepy as that what's the witchy lady who like be which she's like three decades older and like the witches I'm going to say what's his name? What's her name? For most character I'm just no one no one remembers the mall except for Mrs. Duncan the talk like the one that did this is how I remember yeah which is isn't that how we kind of remember our history figures too you know four score in seven years you whoever that was I mean especially but with the European history and you have all of the like you have so many Henry is and like unless they did something real significant that you like Henry the eight you're like yeah that sticks out but all the other Henry's you're like yeah I can tell you about one six beer can help me remember that couldn't tell you about one three seven not a chance like I only know Henry five because of Shakespeare if you hadn't such a good play about him I'd be like he's one of the Henry's KJ says the Heron Hall stuff is weird is all weird in this book none of his very focus but I like it I agree I mean you can see why and Heron Hall like we see Heron right get his line does not see another day and a gone wipes him out and it's like man Heron Hall does appear to be cursed yeah that's why everyone says and that's why it's haunted and cursed the witch at Heron Hall and Amen yep wasn't it Rainies who like goes to Heron Hall and is like I'm not like I'm not seeing any my visitors like they're like there's people coming that she was to give them like Queens rights or whatever like meet them for dinner and she's like nah you'll get whatever I got in the cupboard hanging out in the tower I don't give a shit about any of you I just thought that was the best I'm like that's the life I want to live so you basically want to be little finger like on the fingers yeah with none of the scheming like leave me all out of that miss me with that I don't want any of that leave me on the fingers taking a sword to the chest for like mid Liza Tully like come on what is what Rogar says to your daughters have no brains and no chin I did laugh at that did I laugh so hard but also like at the end with a gone when he wants to admit what they call her like miss tool is it to turnips turnups turnups miss turnups what do they call her turn turn miss turnup yeah is it miss it's not miss lady turnups yeah we'll go lady turnup I think it's something to do with turnups because like Mary the King and everyone's like not no you can't and he's like okay we're have a ball and she'll be front and center like she'll she'll have plenty of dates with him beforehand and then he feels personally betrayed by the fact that this scheme didn't work and you're like sir he had no idea can we um can we briefly make fun of the show again and talk about how bullshit scorpion bows are in the show compared to the the one historical contextual you're on around you're on is the shit because he has a sharpshooter no problem yeah because we're actually literally takes a bolt through the eye which is the only reason that that dragon dies yeah but anyway you know they can't just feel like even in the show you're an entire dragon body Daenerys dragons have like personalities and until the end and at which point they just become like beasts of plot convenience cannon fodder I also would say that it's I think that it is Daenerys dragons because dragons to the point where they were dying out were so small and like neutered mm-hmm and Danny's dragons like the group yeah like they grew vastly larger than the ones that were left at King's Landing a couple hundred years prior so I definitely did a lost eggs were um were likely the ones that Danny got Vincent Brown said the quote for Lenore Valerian made me a laugh I don't like fish of how Lenore was not actually you know he wasn't interested in women per se mm-hmm yeah I don't that is interesting like I mean I have neither the patience the time nor the interest to like do this but like I would love to find somebody that did it for me and like analyze the way that queerness is alluded to throughout this book because like it's not not alluded to it's alluded to frequently yeah and then you got Renly from the main series right mm-hmm but I mean in Renly like I don't with the main mm-hmm like just the fact when and where it is but also like the manner in which they go about saying it without saying it yes and Lenore's not really like frowned upon in the history either like there's I mean they noted but it's it's not a negative connotation I don't think it seems very kind of like Roman in like a you know okay who cares if you like get off on that you have to make heirs we care about boys will be boys you know you know but even for the women like that are queer like they don't really shade that that much they're just like as long as you make babies like we don't care if you think it's fun if you would have more fun with the ladies be our guest as long as occasionally you do your duty and make an air yeah yeah and reina is a lesbian openly hunter says that's correct yep yeah this lady and all of her really close lady friends like come on now ha ha ha ha ha we we know what that means but then it's interesting how is it Alyssa that is kind of queer coded but she like is obsessed with her brother and like the one that she marries and like she unfortunately dies in childbirth like many of them do but like she like has the like stereotypical coding of like she likes to fight she likes to wear trousers and she doesn't like to wait was that early was that the one I think it's jaharis this kid or was of a serious kid that like like the kid was really young and they sent her off to get married and she died her in childbirth and they were like no no no no no no no all of that I did want to bring up that oh that was made me very very sad that was like the letter that she's like okay anyone again who says this book doesn't have emotions in it like the part where she sends the letter to mom that just says I'm scared I was like brutal and then she died even before that like I mean you get you get where her dad is coming from when he's like she's got to marry somebody but you also like seeing how how terrified she is all the time and it's kind of funny when they're like you know she thought she like cats until one scratched her and then she was terrified of them and you're just like it's kind of funny like the amount of stuff she's scared of but then like this this like completely fragile little scared thing that you're like she's got to marry somebody and the way that like she's like well he seems nice and he'll protect me so I'll chick pick him and then she's like the idea of her being pregnant which is like knowing what had to have happened in order for her to be pregnant and you're like that already I there's no way she wasn't scared of that and then like being pregnant is scary which is my heart absolutely broke for her I was like this cannot end well and it didn't and then yeah like the schism between mom and dad like is understandable when she's like you didn't have to push her to marriage we have tons of kids would it have been so bad if this like delicate innocent little flower didn't marry somebody immediately and this is what killed her and you're like I mean you're not wrong yeah that's probably one of the best moments I mean it's one of the saddest moment but I think it's one of the best moments in the book yeah Vincent we talked about Prince area earlier in her having underneath her skin and how yeah absolutely terrifying it was full on horror probably be my pick for favorite moment of the book probably something the most horrifying yeah anything that does with the doom and Valeria I mean like I'm just still so mysterious is so mysterious and honestly I don't actually want the answers but I also do like that's the best feeling is whenever you're like I wanted to be ambiguous but I also need to know a little bit more leave it alone well that's the thing like you you want answers but in truth you know that if you had then you would be less satisfied it's like the it prequel they're going to do it's like I don't need yeah any wise prequel it's what are we doing stop it it'll probably be good that's a problem it's probably going to be actually really good but like I don't want it I don't want it is Stephen King actually writing a prequel book for it or is it just going to be a movie nope is Stephen King involved in the creation it's a show I think I thought it was a maybe but I mean like having an explanation for something inexplicable defeats the purpose of having something inexplicable yeah so again I always go back to my main alien comment you don't need to over explain with multiple prequels where the alien came from it's a cool monster I don't need to know it's origins of like no I like Prometheus I'm like the only person I know you do I enjoyed Prometheus but I do acknowledge every single flaw that it has like I just like watching it but but even you run is Prometheus but actually I couldn't remember if it was you that liked Prometheus and I wasn't going to like bring it up and like make it because it's embarrassing because I actually have the blue right for me right but um like when we were talking about uh what's her name coming back from the Lyria presumably and things coming out of her that's it's a very like Prometheus like that the black stuff that's like gets under the skin and like comes out again like that's a very like the vibe is very similar to like what's described is happening to her yeah a Vincent apologize you don't apologize Vincent it's all good dude you just weren't here earlier that's all good mm-hmm and actually said the same thing you did he said the fact that black red has wounds is really scary and that's what I said like what the hell did that to him or dragon was well in the words of Qui-Gon Jen there's always a bigger fish and now you're fine it just never leaves but there's a dragon twice the size of the Lyrian that'd be sick I feel like it could never be something as like straight forward just oh it's a bigger dragon what if it was the Kraken what's what if it's the Kraken release the Kraken another Liam Neeson line I'm pretty sure Balerion would fuck Kraken up sure would I mean dude of this rate we we all be having Calamari that's some way against a giant fire breathing dragon a rat yeah not a chance like I can't get a million of arms I'm just gonna literally set you on fire yeah why do dragons only get to breathe out like why wasn't turning like ice you know ice release ice I don't know ice dragons when the night kings years one and there is also something about but like Ridley Scott loves using flamethrowers so I feel like because fire is cool between the flamethrowers and the blackness under the skin Prometheus has got a lot of things in common well the world of ice and fire like fire oh you got a nice comment Lena from zero said hello I was don't know me but I have been following your IG and your YouTube for three years now and I think you've inspired me to read many times greetings from the NYC you guys I think Leanna was entirely suspect of where it was gonna go when you said you have a comment well yeah I'll be honest I had to read the whole thing and check it out you never know what happens on YouTube that was a nice comment let's start listening Hayden the Cragons of water animal okay but belarian it would boil the water that the crack ends in and it would die listen every time the iron born try to buck back they get smacked let's be honest is the iron born suck the iron islands are so awesome what they saw stop it they're cold miserable assholes that Leanna I want you to make a video and you want to be Vikings they're yeah I want you to make a video about this and saying in defense of the iron you can I'm sorry they're the only rapists in Westeros I know I said more in that sentence it's like it's like literally rooting for the Vikings like it at a certain I mean have you met me you haven't met me but listen I like Vikings much than this guy but there are several times when I'm just like Dan they're like the bad guys are they yeah they sure are they're like so this spring these Vinland saga made me realize I was like Oh yeah it's a path pretty bad it's like that Mitchell did I send you that Mitchell Weblook sketch yeah I sent you a lot of their sketches where they're like it's the Nazis and they're like are we the bad ease well or yes iron I won't suck that's a cold weird does that drown each other this is really random and like I mean this isn't I don't I'm well I'm sharing it anyway here's Joe abacame comment no it's not it's not there you know I don't know if this happens to you but like if it's a certain period of your life or like you either happen to revisit and get obsessed with or discover like a particular artist or album and you're like listening to it a lot so then like stuff that was going on in your life it's like tied to like oh yeah your thoughts and memories of that and you might have been listening to it because it seemed to be so relevant to what was going on with you so like in college is mainly when I read it was when I the first time I read the song my spire books it was all throughout college and a flogging Molly album had album had just come out and one of the songs on the flogging Molly album was like something to do with the sea and it was like kind of metal sounding in a flogging Molly way and it was the Iron Island sound to me and I was like loving that new album listening to it all the time and so then like I don't maybe that's why I love the iron so much because to me it's like that flogging Molly song at the time yeah it's like your own soundtrack that's cool but I definitely have that I was just listening to toxicity while I system of it down recently I was just remembering my brother was obsessed with this move it down so I heard it a lot toxicity is one of the best albums ever I had to appear real quick on your back not a lot I do like system of it down my brother listened to it a lot more so the lead singer did a Reigns of Castamere cover for season eight and it's phenomenal although speaking of covers I have to say when I like share on in my insta stories like about these live shows and like most of the time I'll like try to add music that's like from Game of Thrones to it and the number of like surprise it's a metal cover that I click on that I'm like oh this is like Jenny of the Old Stones and then I click on it and it's like Jenny like oh not Jenny I've wanted to leave dude that's all I listen everyone you can say what you want about season eight but we got Jenny of the the Old Stones and honestly it was worth it the best version of Jenny is pod singing it is that like I mean I'm a son what a great episode acapella single voice like it's so powerful that's probably why I like the door of singing and top it so much how long do you think Alex would last if you got sent to the wall one day I give it I give it like a day I think he could smooth talk his way into a second day I feel like he'd become a steward and they would he'd be like this is bullshit like we're doing all the work and they would be like hang in how long do you think you would last at the wall me I'd be fine I'd be ranging beyond the wall I'd be bedding wildlings I'd be going to moles town constantly I mean I would totally right what if they made you a steward though they made me a steward I'd hang myself tell us how you really feel I would definitely be a dessert on see a dairy always good to see you Lord Commander Jimmy you're damn right you're damn right I would I would kick Aleister Thorne in the nuts I'd hit him with a stone cold stunner he can work I could work favorite minor character easily Rogar Baratheon not even close it's definitely Rogar of course call this Valerian's a main character in my opinion so I can't pick him so it's definitely blood yeah which case that is because I could also could be your answer for all of the books I mean honestly Rogar is that cool I think is Robert Baratheon a minor character I would just tell you that you know nothing all of the time oh you're definitely a wildling without a doubt without it you know nothing you know nothing Jimmy nuts doesn't have the same doesn't come off the tongue you know nothing Jimmy yeah you'd be a wildling or you'd be out on the Iron Islands resuscitating people I mean I appreciate that you don't think I'm a whore of Molestown no you're not now Molestown requires a certain musk you know it's just you got you got to be down bad we should like honestly that's a good question though who goes who goes you know what you know what you know what it is for me I'm going to most I mean I like self-awareness yeah like Craster's daughters maybe if they can get you know into the wall like I mean there's honestly in the world of Eisen fire there are worse fates I could think of than being a lady of Molestown yeah you're not wrong I mean yeah no I would say it's pleasant but yeah I mean definitely better that than Craster's wife daughters daughter wives if you could live anywhere though in the seven kingdoms where would you live it all seems pretty awful but or would you like SO suck are you going to be like a little more your P well I mean is this is the question taking into consideration the current political situation and strife cause like I mean Winterfell seems great but also also we got burned down by the great choice so like this is just like in general like if if everything's going peachy everything's going peachy probably Winterfell yeah you like the cold yeah low Winterfell where would where would you live in S.O.S.S. or Westeros Dorn yeah Dorn I'm going Dorn Roastaffer people are more like you guys live in cold climates and I don't so I basically live in Dorn and you guys basically live in Winterfell so we're just creative L.A. to Dorn then you must live it around like the nicest people that are really accepting of each other and I mean I like the fact that I have that I could have spicy food Minange to I mean yes they have fiery Dornish peppers that we're mentioned here in there yes just a bit you know what fire and blood is missing is the quintessential food talk conversations there is no food mentioned so true they're actually live in the Iron Islands because they're so cool yeah we we asked the viewers we said how long would Alex last at the wall and I said maybe a night I I gave you two days I gave you two days I said a day I hate being cold and I hate asshole with people so if I was in a permanently cold place surrounded by a bunch of assholes one way or another I'm I'm out of there being cold having a fire is a novelty now someone's killing me being cold and and needing a fire is such a novelty to me that's probably why I think that winter fell sound so nice and like oh like fur cloaks and sitting by the fire and it's also wintry and they have like I don't know it sounds great oh that's nah being cold because I mean I've lived in LA without an AC and that's what Dorn sounds like to me and I'm like nah I'm good now day two of winter you're like I'm pretty much over it at this I see what I have said for all of my life what I've said for my whole life is like if you're cold you can put on a sweater but if you're hot there's nothing you can do jump in a pool literally nothing jump in a pool the issue you don't have a pool all right but so in these scenarios but being poor all you have are your furs your stone keep that you're in and a fire and also Winterfell is heated by hot springs like in the walls there's also a notable lack of brothels which we also have to be here what rank are you where you're staying are you assuming I'm nobility I am a oh you're just assuming of course okay sorry listen I just want to be a part of house Dane I just want to be the sword of the morning it's all I want guys you want to die yes every day I feel like if I went to the wall I said what happened you know honestly you did immediately I said he would get place to Stuart you go this is bullshit and then hang you I would know what sounds like probably the most ideal place to live is High Garden probably yeah is that like High Garden you know like I mean they do have a lot of so what I meant for sure yeah you know what I'm saying like as if so I'm down wait Alan's doing reading sprints right now by the way I just got a notification how dare he tried to challenge our live show maybe he's trying to catch up on this long away some fire that's exactly is the I did inspire blood you know that's how me and Alan met like officially was he was in my chat and he was shitting on fees for crows and dance with dragons and I was like how dare you I was like you should come on the next episode and I'll argue with you and then we did it and by the end he was like I want to reread these these these sound great it's a beautiful hate to love romance story it was it was the beginning of a beautiful friendship but yeah fire and blood was dope guys it was awesome there's probably so much of the actual book that we didn't talk about but oh tons there's no way you could remember all of it like especially a lot of names I mean there's so much I mean I will say this I could see actually I know there's content for it on YouTube but I'm surprised it's like war videos there's so much fan art there's illustrations well I'm guessing when this book came out it was at a point in time when people were bitter that this is what it was coming out as opposed to 2017 or 16 I think or might be right might be 15 are in blood 18 what 2018 I just have to say like the whole time that I was reading this I couldn't stop being multiple levels right especially when you were viewer and you're like how am I going to talk about this and like how's it come out of things whatever I'm like I was personally on an enjoyment level enjoying it yeah but I was also the entire time I was like and the way you just made this seem like a history book by doing that and the way you just actually thought of that and the way that you actually made this little detail in it make it feel more real and the way that you actually the where I would be at because I read a two other books that are kind of history based in a little bit a little distance narratives of grace kings and then I finished up the world or chronicles by Bernard Cornwell and I was like I wonder if I'm going to be burn out on that kind of like distance or Lord has a more of a narrative though right it's not yeah yeah you know it's like like I love the last kingdom and that's it the only like historical fiction that I've read but it's like you're following characters in a story you're not just reading like the history of the Saxons no yeah you're not and even in warlord you're not but it's a it's like distance sometimes because like you jump over to work months right in a paragraph like they're like okay in six months went by well a lot of like a myth and fairy tale retelling can also have that kind of like arms length Tolkien kind of like it's not like and that same grace of kings has a very good narrative but it does start out very much like broad strokes at first but with fire and blood I really enjoyed it I actually wanted to put out a review of it and I still might but like dealing with that was so good that part I forgot about it until literally the second speed as plague oh yeah cuz they end up disproving it I think it's the maester that does but I just I that was the one part of okay as much as I liked it that was the one part of it I was like okay you didn't write this though as a history text because you introduced it as plague came to this place and then told us that actually you realize that it was poison and I was like a history text would say as we know at the time they thought this was plague but it wasn't and like you didn't say it like that you made us think it was plague and which is what a novel does not a history text yeah that's fair yeah I mean that's a fair point about like the females specifically in fire and blood because they're all Targaryen and Targaryen's are just bad asses but like so we're so we're Dornish people right it's Dornish it kind of depends on like where Yellow Toad like like what part of the world you're in but Targaryen's especially like women flying dragons that don't take shit for people like yeah and Allison Hightower I mean she does kind of weasel her way in but like she's she's a very strong character Andrew for but also how many so many names in I mean the world of ice and fire but in this book because there's so many names you see more of it they're like what is that it's not a board games there's no board but that game where like the card on it has written out something that you're it looks like gibberish and then maybe it's called Balderdash I don't know but like when you read it out loud then like it sounds like an actual sentence of words because it's like written out phonetically what a sentence sounds like in English and like the game is like you're supposed to like read it out loud and then like your team is supposed to be able to like figure out what it is you're saying because it sounds like actual words when you say it out loud anyway the point is the names in this book on paper they're like oh these are fantasy names but then you say it out loud and you're like it's literally Eric Allison but you just put some Y's and some E's in there and made it look fantasy but then you said it out loud and you're like oh that's just a really straightforward name yeah that's Andrew that's Andrew yeah I really enjoyed this I might even put out a review for it at some point just talking about how much more I enjoyed it than I thought I would from cover to cover but I also always like dread the comments on George videos because you know what half of them are just going to be all correct bro yeah wins and season eight and you're just like I know guys you know what's the greatest part about that though is if it's on your video you can just block them or hide their comments this is nothing to do or respond to them and say shut the fuck up asshole they did that's the wonderful thing about YouTube it's your channel you can also say thanks for the engagement yeah right yeah Dishon is the goat dude watching her roast people in her comments is like my favorite thing and the times when you like complain to her about your comments she's like I can tell them this I won't if you don't want me to but I can she's awesome but I'm speaking of comments is nothing to do with with these books but do you get comments from people that are telling you what this person is like thinking before watching your video and they don't say anything about having watched it they'll be like oh I'm interested to hear what you're going to say about X, Y and Z and you're like so but like what did you think about but what was the point of that do I get a follow up like what so how did it go yeah that's all you want to comment first so everyone sees their comment not always girl first bro yeah I've had I've had a precursor comments I've also had other creators that comment and the video has been off for 30 seconds great video bro and I'm like you watched it real fast if you've ever done that I've unsubbed from you immediately just so you know it's just so disingenuous like I don't care don't watch like I literally don't care it's fine I mean it is worse than just not watching to like do something that makes it clear that you didn't watch yeah I mean it's just like cringy right I'm just gonna start commenting on all your videos I'm just gonna be like I disagree I disagree you're an idiot with his book haul I disagree this is actually not true I don't believe you bought these books yeah maybe maybe I'll put out something for fun because I really did I just had a blast at this book I think this is my most fun read of the year so far I mean I low-key okay you asked before if I think it's better than the main series and like I don't it's really hard to answer because like this was a read the main series was a reread so like it was just like either confirming my old opinions or having some new tanks but it was it's a different thing from reading for the first time and like I definitely like this better than Dunkin' Egg Dunkin' Egg was fine but like Fire and Blood I'm just so impressed and like I don't know if like I would be just as impressed with the main series if that was my first time through and I wasn't already like oh I know what this is going to you know it's kind of like um who was I talking to about this I don't know but about how like if you read Peter Pan today you read it and you're like it feels derivative and cliche but then you're like J.M. Mary in a world that had never heard of Neverland had never heard of Peter Pan had never heard of Pixie Dust invented this stuff like completely out of his brain and it's like so inventive if you like try to take your brain to a place where this didn't exist before that's why I felt like noon yeah and so like reading It's My Wives and Fire like I had read it before I had seen the show before and now I was rereading it so like I don't know how impressed I would feel about it now I can't know that and I do know that I'm super impressed with Fire and Blood and it feels better to me because like it's a surprise it's a bias yeah yeah so like right now like my emotional answer is like it's my favorite thing that he's written but like I don't know that that's actually true of what I think but it feels true right now no you know that that's fair that's fair I see what you're saying it's definitely not mine but I see what you're saying and it is a different flex I mean it's a totally different thing oh yeah because you know he's written yeah it's very impressive so not many other authors have done this type of thing or if they've if they've done it like they've failed you know like it's just like to do it so authentically it's like Secret History from Sanders I don't know if it's exactly like this but I think for a lot of people I was like Don Atard oh no it's not it's not it's not Mistborn Secret History is literally just him doing like a Prometheus it's like it's narrative and you follow characters and it's just explaining it's it's almost like a companion novel to Mistborn in a way but it's explaining things that you didn't have explained in the main books but it is it's 100% just a narrative book it's not like it's not the history of like Eladil or Luthadel or like it's not it's none of like this is how Alamancey was created like it's not like that well and I mean like I'm sorry but I'm going to bring up first law but like when I was like would you ever consider writing something in a different era of your own world giving us a prequel or like many actually like when I asked him this in my brain I wasn't even thinking of Song of Mice and Fire even though I should have because he's a big fan but I was thinking like Michael J. Sullivan when he wrote the Age of Age of Legends or Age of Empire whatever it's called but like it's like a thousand years before the Rairia Revelations which is like the part that Jashana really likes so it's like it's basically it's not even a prequel like there's like there's going to be something of legend in the main series that's familiar but like it's not the prequel in the way that like Star Wars is where it's like literally these people's like parents but anyway point being I was like would you ever write anything that takes place like in a different era of your world a prequel or something like that yeah or like I was like a prequel or maybe like a different era or whatever and he was like well no because why because if you are wondering something isn't it better to wonder like would answering the question ever be better like probably yeah and so like for the 99.9% of the time I'd be like yeah you're right unless you can do Fire and Blood and unless you have the inclination to do something as authentically thoroughly historical as this is like you will fail and it will be stupid and dumb and pointless and it will be like oh that is a cash grab is to do a prequel because the same IP and these are familiar names but like this if you can do this then yes yeah it's an impressive feat I mean it's a risk right and then even whenever you do it right people still say it's a cash grab which is well I think they would say it less if he had finished the main series before doing this they probably still would have been like oh he just wants to like milk that now that he's oh yeah there's there would still be people but people would be less angry about it because they like well they finished the series so like oh more is what was better well it's a very gated world view like I don't think anyone ever said that of Tolkien whenever he did some really on right like no but then again his series is finished technically it was finished but well I think most 99.99% of the time a prequel will be another novel and that's when it is like well this isn't interesting because like you know the endpoint answering giving answers that just make the main thing less interesting because it was better when you didn't know but I think making this like a historical text but like because it reads like a historical text rather than a novel that's part of why it works because if he had written some novels about the Targaryens like you could because there's plenty of material here for his novelization but like that's also why it works I think yeah I agree I mean there's a lot of bad examples of when it doesn't work like fantastic beast movies that have to directly tie into the Harry Potter trilogy that's also because JK Rowling is not a very good writer but there's that or it's like the hunger games prequel with snow it's like did you need that or like did you need did you need to do whatever the Twilight one was where it's like whatever it was called from Edward's perspective it's like did you need to do that no like you just want to cash in on the game money or the Star Wars millions of not even like the prequels like solo doing an Obi-Wan show doing a Boba Fett show it's like all of these things like doing Rogue One like all of these things that have to tie directly into the main movies it's like just do something else it's fine just do it that's where I also feel like if an author I've said this more about retellings but this goes for this as well like if the author already had something in mind and feels called to tell a story that is about the and if that new story does instead of just answering questions and making things less interesting or answering questions and making things dumb if instead it sheds interesting new light on things in a way that like makes you want to reread the main series because you're like oh wow that actually like completely alters my perspective on everything that happened thereafter and isn't just like oh that was a dumb answer like how Han Solo got the name Solo needed that answer now I must go and watch all of Star Wars again not that bad I doubt cause I don't care about Star Wars but it's like no one watching the original Star Wars movies was just like I gotta know where Han got his vest like I need to know or his dice we got the dice that's not something that needs to be explained do you need to explain why Chewbacca has the nickname Chewie cause apparently you do don't need that that's dumb I think I know how that came about to Hunter's point about like the cynical view of like it's a template for a TV adaptation if people think that the reason I would disagree is because there's not a lot of dialogue so like scenes would have to be written with compelling dialogue to actually like I mean the show is kind of the novelization of its history text but like part of it a lot of the conversations are going to be completely on the writers to create that and it could suck yeah that's the biggest challenge going forward I think the premise is super interesting the outcome awesome we have an ending hey we know that the people who are doing the direction and the production and the score and all these things are going to be great actors and really really solid it's literally going to come down to the writing that's why I said it's never going to be worse than season 8 it'll be at least on par with season 8 cause everything other than the writing we know is in place and you know they're going to have to flesh out the characters a little bit too like we know the characters we know what they did but like who are they and like that'll be interesting to see if like you know Damien does Damien come across on the screen that he did the page cause Damien seemed like a kind of a psychopath to me I don't know that'll be really fun to see we'll also get answers about you know even blood and cheese maybe we'll see Raniera give the orders like for Jaehaerys to be the one executed like we actually are going to get some answers if you want to take it as canon which is really fascinating which we'll also get answers for like the tourney of Heron Hall when George does his Broadway play that's supposed to come out for years or whatever the hell but like will we see or do we want to see or does George care about before the Targaryens because like that's quite relatively recent history that Targaryens took over well yeah so he definitely has an interest in that and that was the long night thing that they tried to film and they end up cancelling it after the pilot the pilot apparently just did not go well they didn't like it they canned it but the long night was about the first time the white walkers came through which would have been honestly pretty sick yeah but I mean all of this they were like a feuding lord it was more like vikings when you have like little earldoms that are basically fighting each other until the Targaryens came in and were like everybody is us now so like there would be a lot of interesting politicking and fighting and whatever and the Children of the Forest would add a really interesting piece to the story I think or like the beginning of the Night's Watch who built that freaking wall brand the builder okay I mean I guess but like having somebody be like you know what we need is a giant giant wall you know I'll tell you what I'll tell you the show that I think could do really well outside House of the Dragon is the Duncan Egg show I think episodic kind of like that is still after Targaryens oh yeah yeah it is yeah for sure yeah I was just thinking in my head just like thinking about shows and I'm like man Duncan Egg would work maybe too close to the Mandalorian in Silver Guards during Targaryens when we left after the Conquest of the Targaryens yes it is yeah I want a Conquest movie which is interesting that like Dora Dora Martin basically takes the like AC like BC and AD that we have and applies that to the Targaryens yeah for Conquest after Conquest yep pretty cool silence I think I think we've done it I think we've covered Fire and Blood covered Fire and Blood yeah not really but I mean we did it well at least an hour as much as we're going to there's entirely too much to like actually dig into everything yeah at a vote you literally have to do like read a chapter a week and then like yeah you can do a podcast and that's whenever we were talking about it and I would say well we could break it up in parts but honestly I think I think we we hit on the points that we really enjoyed what we found to be strengths of it and I think that's what people wanted this is the book that I'd probably say is the one I'm most interested in re-reading currently because I mean I'm not going to do it right now but you know this is the one that I definitely don't know the most about so I can pick up new things on a re-read for sure there's also just like you're much more likely to have missed something because if you it's a sentence you've missed ten years of history without a doubt that's why somebody in my discord was just like he said I'm impressed that you managed to get through all of the book in a week there's so much information in there and I was like yeah I didn't retain all of it though there's no way I know everything that happened in this book I forget about books that I read two weeks ago so do I but that's why I just also feel like reading a history book which is why I would often feel stressed about actually passing a test because I'd be like I mean as I was reading it I was getting it but if you expecting me to remember the name and the date which is what this multiple choice question will be I would just go out during the fire are they definitely going to do Duncan egg yeah they ordered the pilot so for what HBO? yeah for HBO it would have to be HBO it would be a cool show it would be a night's tale yeah I think they could do a lot with it an episodic night's tale it would be a lot of fun you know since Robert Baratheon is in a night's tale I was about to say that but I was like I've already said that before so good yeah when I first saw Game of Thrones I was like that's Roland from a night's tale as king he finally made it I mean he like passed up the night and shot straight for king I actually used to love that movie so I'm both making fun of it but also yes I kind of loved it because it's still like one of the best dragon movies that's ever existed because most movies they have dragons in them or just dog shit I was going to mention this earlier like when you were talking about Hobbes dragons and like Hobbes dragons remind me of the dragon and dragon heart yeah now Rain of Fire if you have not seen it is Christian Bale that's like learning about dragons a little bit and you have Matthew McConaughey who's got like a gnarly beard he's got a bald head he's like a marine like dragon hunter he wears like a dragon tooth necklace I'm just picturing like have you seen Tropic Thunder the guy that supposedly wrote the war story that they're basing this movie off of that's Matthew McConaughey in Rain of Fire it's fantastic and they fight dragons and it's cool but yeah I mean as much as I was saying most of the time books I'm like oh dragons and 90% of the time like I hate it same with movies like most of the time like oh dragon but most movies get it wrong and I'm like no I hate this this is stupid yeah that's true I mean as bad as the Hobbit movies are it did give us Benedict Cumberbatch's Smog which is like pretty great they're fine we have Sherlock and Watson as Smog and Bilbo if they weren't open films they would be great fantasy film I don't know not the third one the first one is pretty good I don't know I had a good time I mean they're nowhere near they're fine the third one the third one has Legolas jumping on ice that is falling and he's jumping on it as it's falling yeah it was fine if you're a kid you'd be loving it I was a child when I saw the two towers I thought it was awesome that Legolas slid down an orc shield that is way better than the jumping on rocks it's total shenanigans or climbing up onto an elephant and then sliding down its trunk you'd be like huh but the difference is I was in the theater seeing Return of the King and when Legolas single-handedly owned that elephant the audience of adults erupted into applause I was in the theater when I saw Legolas jumping on rocks as they're falling and everyone groaned so not the same it's a very pessimistic groan also happens when you're born in a popular character into a movie that he had nothing to do with but anyway the battle of five armies is like two pages of the homage but that's an entire three hour movie anyway yes he is the best dragon voice do you want to wrap up with anything not any wisdom to share Jimmy or the expert cliffhanger of if we're going to do a world of ice and fire or a different empire of the vampire you just straight upset it she said it she let the cat off the back I think the cat's been out of the back yeah I forgot this has been a lot of fun we could probably do the world of ice and fire but I don't know when I don't know what I could do Jimmy this is great this is a lot of fun I want to do it again soon so as soon as we get wins in winter we have to do this all over again I think we will we can agree to that if and when wins gets a release date we'll do this again and we'll go back through the books again I'm down I'm definitely down do we have to sign in blood somewhere I'll tell you what this is good Liana do we get the wins of winter yes or no do we get it ever yes I agree we won't get wins if you are going to ask about dreams of spring we will not get a dream of spring we might get another dunk and egg we will not get fire and blood part 2 no I agree I agree with all that I think by November 2025 that's my prediction you said end of 2025 November 2025 look at the next comment this is just Liana's favorite thing in the world let's do first law next that would be a lot of fun that is my next reread Liana have you read first law though did you just say you're rereading it Jimmy next year yeah I will join you if you will let me yeah I was hoping to do it this year but there's literally no way it's going to happen Liana are you saying you were going to reread for a slob again I mean you talked me into it you don't really strike me as a rereading kind of person no not at all right yeah not unless it's Joe Evercrombie luckily Joe Evercrombie's Trilogy's and entire Saga are arguably finished at least finished enough Hunter said guys this series of song vice fire live chats is great I usually don't watch stuff like this well yeah I'm glad you enjoyed it we wanted to yeah we wanted to do it because we still like love the books you know there's a lot of stuff that's polarizing around the series but at the end of the day I think what's published is really great and still some of the best fantasy and fiction that we have so and also after the show like it was really good to go back and be like okay but what was actually in the books because like my brain is very muddied with especially books four and five I mean especially books four and five people doing their first rereads with us or first reads I should say that's awesome that's awesome I think it stuck out to me immediately when I started reading a game of thrones and I was like there is way more in this book one yeah I remember being in it that I thought was like because it was stuff that would happen like later in the show was like that happened in the game of thrones what it's pretty crazy yeah I wouldn't be here I wouldn't be on booktube I wouldn't be reading all these books that I've read first all by some fire so I'm personally deaded to George and we wouldn't have first law without that is true so I'm personally deaded to George oh there's the anphic for you right there that's a tough one yeah I think it's it's a hard one it depends on if they're drunk honestly the wins a winner will tell us a lot because Tyrion won't have all of his money in his status he's working his way back up a lot of his weight is based on I have money it was the friends we met along the way yeah I think the valon car prophecy will probably be Tyrion by the way it's not Jamie I think it's going to be Tyrion I hope it's Jamie I thought I had convinced you that it was Jamie in a previous live show so I need you to go back and watch that and be reconvinced I'm not saying it's totally impossible I just think that the way that Tyrion has constant dragon dreams and talks about fantasizing about burning his family and burning castley rock I think Cersei gets displaced in the wins a winner from west rose heads back to castley rock Tyrion shows up with dany he burns castley rock it's an atrocity Jamie I don't remember what my argument was but I remember you being pressed by it it's ultimately because it would be like the final complete opposite end of the spectrum for Jamie to end up being the one that kills Cersei because she's so out of control that he has to and he has to fall in his sword one last time and take her out and not get toppled by Bricks because that was just dumb she's hateful and I'm hateful but I think it would work better thematically if it was Jamie Tyrion feels a little bit too like obvious but he already killed tywin and if he's also going to kill Cersei I would love it for Jamie's character arc to have to be the one to take her down make the kingslayer a kinslayer I also think that Tyrion kills Jamie but that's a whole nother can of worms I don't see that I don't either I don't remember in the books when they split I mean they I know he's kind of a dick he's way more jerky jerky in the books than he's in the show but it took a lot for him to kill tywin and overall over the course of a lifetime Jamie has been pretty good to him he's pretty mad about tywin but of course what it's all building towards is that tywin is a secret Targaryen Jesus Christ fair enough confirmed Jamie could use a rope or something that's the real reason that tywin didn't want him to be with tywin because like Targaryen's brother and sister because Tyrion we know is a secret Targaryen and if tywin is also a secret Targaryen and tywin is like none of this incest absolutely not so that's why he put a stop to that confirmed you heard it here also yes steven paisley is everything and yes he has one hand he can't strangle her so that was part of his blood that was part of his blood and it was awesome it was awesome and I'm really glad to have done this with you guys this has been really fun yes thank you guys for doing this this was one of the highlights of my my past year on booktube I would say and I even got to meet Jim or our Martin you know yeah that was a goaded it was terrific and I got through so much of my asonga rice and fire whiskey it's like not even funny yeah the many drinks were had I've had those bottles for so long and now they're all empty so yeah thanks all and we will reconvene when uh when jimmy's ready when when the winter happens when george is ready yeah good night