 I'm joined here by Kitty Mervine, well, skeptic extraordinaire, author of Fairy Tales Fairly Told and veteran attender of TAM. I have been to every TAM in the United States. Yes. So you didn't go to the Australia one then? I did not. I'm sorry. That's a bit of a hike. So you've been to every TAM. How long have you been involved in the skeptic movement? I have been probably for, jeez, it has to be at least 12 years now. So about two years before TAM. And how did you first get interested in this? Actually it's a very sad story. I had a friend who went to see a psychic and when she ran out of money, the psychic talked to her dead son. When she ran out of money and the psychic wouldn't let her talk to her dead son anymore, she committed suicide. And I was devastated and I found the James Randi website and I crawled out of my depression because I knew that there were other people out there that were fighting this sort of really bad thing going on. So now you've been going to every single TAM. What do you like most about it? What keeps you coming back? I would say it's the sense of family. The sense that here's a place where I can open up my mouth and make a joke about astrology and no one's going to look at me and say, you know, I'm an astrologer or I teach in a school in Vermont and it's very wonderful parents, but they will often show up at the preschool with their child's astrological chart so that I will understand their child better. So you're here and you can kind of relax and stretch yourself intellectually. I always learn so much here and I go home really revitalized to continue my skeptic work. Now speaking of your skeptic work, tell me a little bit about your book. How did that get started and what's in there? It started, last year I wrote my first skeptic book for preschoolers because I saw there was a real need and I've often told skeptic stories to my own preschoolers and I've had to make them up. There just aren't that many books geared towards ages 3 to 10. I printed up about 50 copies, sent them to Camp Inquiry and I got great terrific feedback and everyone was like, when's your next book coming out? So this is the next book, Fairy Tales Fairly Told. It's a take on your traditional fairy tale except it's really for a skeptic or atheist parent for their child. For instance, there's a hero who's an atheist and Rapunzel is a lesbian. Once you get over those two things, the four are just by James Randi who personally proved many of these stories and I'm just very proud of. Is that drawing on the cover supposed to be Randi? This is supposed to be Randi. One of my dear friends, Noah Whippy, who's a very young man who is just an amateur artist is a great skeptic friend, Drew James Randi, who's never met as he's imagined him. And so this is a six foot tall James Randi or very, very short children. So that's the joke. And he's in Full Wizard Garb, which is really nice. He's in Full Wizard Garb and he's really there and the illustrations I think alone make the book really exciting. We're already starting on our book for next year which is going to be for ages 12 to I'd say 16. And you also mentioned to me at one point that the book, all the money that you make from the book is going to charity. All the money goes to skeptic children's education. I don't make any money off of it. Noah doesn't make any money off of it. The initial printing is purely paid for by volunteers and any skeptic children's book I write will be the same way. This is just my way of giving back to the skeptic community that's given so much to me and my own family. And where could somebody find this book if they wanted to get a copy? It will be on Amazon, on the J-Ref site soon. But right now if you would like it, you can reach me at Fairlytoldatgmail.com and I can make sure you get a copy. It's $10 and $3 for shipping. All right, well best of luck with the book, Kitty. And have a great time with the rest of Tim. Great, thank you so much.