 Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Open Infra-Life. And today we have a packed episode joined by 18 industry experts from state organizations who will speak on what sessions they're presenting at the upcoming Open Infra Summit in Berlin, specifically from the 5G as computing and athlete track, and what they expect the attendees to learn. My name is Sunny Tai, marketing coordinator at the Open Infra Foundation, and I will be your host for the day. Thank you to all the speakers who joined today from different time zones. And speaking of time zones, last Sunday was the day when people adjust their microwave clock, aka the Daylight Savings Fund. So as a result, this is our first Open Infra-Life episode since November last year that streams at 1400 UTC instead of 1500 UTC. So for our regular viewers, don't forget to change your reminders when the Open Infra community goes live on Thursdays. So as you hopefully already know, we are bringing the Open Infra Summit back this year, and we are headed to Berlin, Germany on June 7th to 8th. The summit schedule is available now, and it features more than 100 sessions from 11 tracks, and these sessions are delivered by major users, including Bloomberg, Volvo, Adobe, and many more, including the ones that are represented today. You can check out the summit schedule on Open Infra.gov slash summit. While you are browsing through the summit schedule after this livestream, don't forget that we are also less than, I think, 17 hours away until the early bright present end. So make sure to register and save your seat at the Berlin summit so you can collaborate directly with the people building and running open source infrastructure. So to learn more about one of the 11 tracks that we have, we invited Shu Xuan Huang, who is one of the 5G as computing and AFV programming committee members. And he will tell us about why he's excited about his track and what sessions stand out to him. So Shu Xuan, Mike, is yours. Hi, this is Shu Xuan Huang. I'm from the 99 Cloud. I'm very happy to be the track trailer for the 5G as computing. And as you know, this track is focused on 5G as computing and AFV. After we launched the call for presentation, we received hundreds of submissions. And doing a lot of submissions, we are very excited to see very, very excited topics such as how we use OpenStack in telco and launch the edge computing platform. And we also see how new projects magma to serve 5G function for the infrastructure. And as we know, the 5G area is coming and a lot of network connection is involved to be 5G. And according to the GSMA, the 5G connections will surpass 1 billion in 2022 and 2 billion by 2025. And in China, we will have 2 million 5G base station will be accomplished by this year. So we are seeing the 5G network is building the progress very well. And the edge computing is a key technology to let 5G performance is very high performance. And we see the 5G can increase its speech up to 10 times of 4G and the edge computing reduce the latency by bringing the compute capability to the network closer to the user. And in this topic, we can see a lot of discussions about the edge computing combined with the 5G how we can use the edge computing with the 5G technology. And we can also see the open infra technologies like the open stack Kubernetes in the edge. So I am very excited to see these topics. And I hope you can enjoy the presentations in this summit about the 5G edge computing and the NFV. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you for your hard work of picking the best possible content for this track and bringing to the summit attendees. So for everyone who is watching this live stream right now, don't forget to drop your comments, questions, even hello's or shout outs to the panel into the comment section on your right-hand side. And we'll get to that by next weekend. So one question that I have for you is, what current networking trends are you most excited to discuss or learn about in the summit? Yeah, there's good questions. I think just we are all discussing how to travel to Berlin. I think that is the hot topic in the China WeChat group. That's just a small joke. And for the technical side, I think people discuss how to use the open stack to build edge computing and what kind of use cases actually happening around the world. And is there any carrier around the world? They are lunch, like the infrastructure can handle the low latency workload. So I think everyone more care about the use cases about the edge and the 5G. Yes. Okay. Sounds great. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And now we have the background information about 5G as computing and as we track at the Berlin summit. Let's bring on our first session speakers, Bath and Rob, who will tell us about their session on the complexity of edge computing. So hi. Thank you. Thank you for Su Chen for choosing our session. So Rob and I have been members of the edge computing working group for a number of years. And the more I get into edge, the more I find that it's getting more and more complex. It doesn't get any simpler. So there's a lot of factors that go into edge. And what we're going to be talking about in this session is we're going to be talking about how to manage an edge deployment. Because particularly in the telco world, edge could mean thousands of, or even hundreds of thousands of devices. We have customers using, you know, that have over 10,000 devices that are within their network and we have to manage them all. So there's a lot of complexity about what tools are used to manage the edge, how to access the edge, how to do updates. It's not so simple, unlike in a data center. What happens if the edge applications fill up the hardware? Do you need to send somebody out? What is the access? What kind of network? Is it 5G or is it a wire line or is it satellite? It could be any of those. So those are some of the things that Rob and I are going to be talking about at this session. Great. Thank you, Beth. I'm definitely super excited for it. And I know that for people who are interested in discussing edge conundrums and how to turn them into solutions, there is the Open Infra Edge Computing Group that they can join to learn more. And since the project team's gathering is happening in less than a month, April 4th to 9th, I think. Yes. Can you tell us a bit more on what topics the Open Infra Edge Computing will discuss as a PTG? Yes. So we actually have about seven hours of sessions planned for the PTG. And we're following that the whole theme is around what we call in the telco world, day 0, day 1, and day 2. And so day 0 is the creation, the development of the templates that support the deployment, which is day 1, of edge applications or edge, whatever's. And so day 0 are sort of standard templates. Day 1 is when you inject the specifics for a given site. So let's say the IP address for that site or other specific information. And then day 2 is where you are in production. So you're managing. That includes the lifecycle of the devices in the network. And so that's how we've organized the PTG meetings. Each day we're going to be focusing on different aspects of the rollout of edge architectures out into the field. So I'm pretty excited about that. It's something that's near and dear to my heart. And it's a naughty problem. It is. Yeah, thank you. And yeah, that sounds like a really packed schedule already. I guess before the project team gathering happens, and for people who might want to join already, what are some ways for them to join the edge computing group? So the edge computing group meets on Mondays every day. And I don't remember the UTC, but it's 9 o'clock in the morning Eastern Standard Time. So it's 6 o'clock in the morning Western Time. And I think that's something like new UTC. Obviously, we do not change. We stick with the daily savings time actually. So it does switch back and forth. And we always have very interesting topics. We're having a guest speaker coming up on, I think Monday to talk about some of the work that they've been doing over in on edge tools for deploying out of edge. So looking forward to that. So wide ranging topics always have always interesting. So I encourage everybody who's interested in the edge to come to the edge working group. Awesome. Thank you. OK. Well, so if you're interested in watching best full session, we'll drop the link to their session in the comment section. And you can start to do your own summer schedule today. So the next summer session you don't want to miss is the session on autonomous integration of open stack based, private 5G network in China mobile. So as one of the gold members of the opening for foundation, China mobile has been working closely with the open stack community and the opening for a community. And their team provides open stack based private network products to achieve intelligent 5G delivery. During their session, Xiaoguang and Zhixiang will talk about China mobile solution process and experience of autonomous integration of private 5G network. Take it away. OK. Next slide. Hello, everyone. I come from China mobile. My name is Xiaoguang. And our session's name is autonomous integration of open stack based private 5G network in China mobile. China mobile faces the two business market and provide open stack based private network products to achieve intelligent 5G delivery, reduce costs and improve efficiency. As you know, last year, Amerian announced its private 5G products, which will sort the delivery time and give more flexibility for customers. In fact, our own developed product is aimed to such kind of aim. Next one, China mobile is building a self-developed hardware and software integrated product to follow the private 5G network and DevOps and zero touch provisioning. The third one is our commitments of autonomous integration had been built up through practice in China mobile cloud network product. Our solution process and the experience of autonomous integration of private 5G network product will be introduced in our session. So welcome to our sessions. OK, thank you. Yes, thank you. Yes, thank you so much. Great. I may mute my speaker just now. All good. Yeah, thank you. So that sounds like a very interesting topic. And so for the implementation that your team is doing, what are some benefits to this implementation? And have you all seen any reduced costs or improved efficiency? Yes, of all. We do such kind of work during past two or three years to some integration implementation. But previously, we mostly focused on our network cloud. As you know, the two business, we provide the private 5G for the customers. This is another new area. So we will use what we all have done in our network cloud some solutions, some integration processes to enable our private 5G. Now we do some solutions for private 5G and do some adaption software development. Set by step, I think maybe about two months later, we will finish our software development and then we will do some deployment on our business side. This is our schedule. I think maybe in our open infrastructure summit, we will provide not only solutions and some development development, but also about some practice in our business about deployment on site, practice, occurrence, sharing. Okay. Yeah, that sounds great. That's why I can't wait to hear more about it. And I guess later than a year after the summit, I would love to follow up with you all on how that's going and I'm sure the community members will love to hear more on it too. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. So speaking of 5G, the era of 5G has the potential to make the world much more connected with high-speed improved efficiency and rather mobility support and high connection density. And MACMA is an open source project supporting diverse radio technologies including LTE, 5G, and Wi-Fi. Another session that you should have missed at the Berlin summit is the one about MACMA 5G virtual lab on OpenStack delivered by Schubam from the MACMA core foundation. And take it away, Schubam. Hey, hello, everyone. I'm Schubam. I'm working as a DevOps engineer at MACMA core foundation. I'm also a technical steering committee member at MACMA. So people who are new to MACMA, so MACMA is an open source telecom core platform. It supports 4G, 5G, and Wi-Fi. There are three main components that make up MACMA. One is Access Gateway, which is our 4G, 5G packet core that is deployed in the edge location next to our radio equipment such as E0B or G0B. Next to the Access MACMA orchestrator, it is a central control system that is deployed on Kubernetes, which can run in public cloud or private cloud such as OpenStack that we will be covering in our demo at OpenInfo summit. We also have a network management system with MACMA orchestrator, which provides a single pane of glass to create your network, gateways, subscriber, all with this anonymous dashboard. You can also monitor all the gateways, radios, and watch logs using Grafana. This is integrated inside our dashboard. So we'll be deploying this end-to-end solution on our demo at OpenInfo. The third component that is an optional component that is MACMA Federation Gateway, which is a proxy standard using 3GPP interface, which provides you to integrate MACMA core with your existing telecom core. And you can use functions such as PCRF, HSS, OCS, and et cetera. So these are all things combined with MACMA. And we will also be deploying the SRS-RAN simulator or UE-RAN simulator. These are 4G and 5G radio waves simulator. And using this, we will use their functionalities for E0B and G0B and UE for testing our end-to-end network. And at OpenInfo Summit, we'll set up this MACMA 5G virtual lab using industry-centered automation platforms such as Terraform or Ansible. Thank you. See you all later. Thank you. Thank you, Shivam. And I know MACMA has made a lot of progress since we first heard about it at the 2020 virtual summit, which kind of feel like forever ago. So what benefits does MACMA bring that OpenStack users to learn about during the session at the summit? So when originally MACMA was open source, it was specifically for AWS. Since then, MACMA has grown and we have added a lot of partners. And those partners have brought in customers that have their own private cloud, mostly telecom core operators. And most of them are using OpenStack and at the moment, we are still in development of the OpenStack solution. And we have integrated the MACMA's end-to-end solution with OpenStack. So integration still is in progress and we plan to first publish it at the OpenInfo event. And once this is done, a lot of operators who have their OpenStack private cloud, they can jump in and start using our automation setup and set up their own private telecom core like without any vendor lock-in. Gotcha. That sounds great. Awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Well, businesses today are trying to bring data and applications as close to end-users as possible to deliver real-time services. And the problem of delivering a robust application platform, you know, traditional monolithic data center was soft a while ago, but how do you bring the same architecture to an edge? We have Chris and Emilia here from Red Hat to tell us more about OpenStack frames Kubernetes to the edge. Hello there. Thanks for having me and Chris and also for choosing our session. So yeah, my name is Emilia Maquille. I work for Red Hat. And we have Chris as well. Okay. Can you show the slide? So I'm working on a product name OpenShift that helps running Kubernetes on top of OpenStack. And we have a strong focus on telco and enterprise customers when they deploy the workload at the edge. As you know, OpenStack remains the de facto on-prem platform for running cloud at the edge. It's mature and very stable. It provides a lot of components and options which helps to build architectures for running those workloads. However, the road hasn't been easy and edge computing brings a lot of constraints by nature and that makes it very challenging for the infrastructure world. In our presentation, we want to share a few use cases that we learned and we would like to present a reference architecture that we built and its potential evolution based on what we have learned and we would like to present what's behind the scene from an engineering standpoint. We will not only discuss about OpenStack compute but also the storage components and the networking capabilities which are really key in this type of environment. For example, we will discuss about the challenge of deploying OpenStack resources across multiple availability zones when you would like to deploy Kubernetes stretch clusters. So we hope that you will learn something about Kubernetes at the edge and their requirements on the OpenStack side, its limitations and how we can overcome some of them. So thanks and Chris, you can take it from here. Yeah, thanks Emilien. So I think we have a sort of unique angle to this presentation. We're bringing Emilien and Maísa who's not here on this call but they're going to be part of that presentation. They're part of the engineering team and they're ensuring the software has been built properly and it's supported and they can support it long term. I'm coming from the field. I'm a field engineer. I work with the customers of the clients so my focus is going to be on providing the perspective of what the end users are asking for, what are some of the challenges that they're facing. We're covering telcos but also the enterprises I know this session is focused very closely to the telco but all of these problems they do translate across the industry, not just the telco. So the architecture between Edge and your traditional monolithic architecture, they're very different and there's some different problems and challenges that we have to face. It's not just fire and forget. You need to worry about the life cycle, the observability, governance, security, of course. Now you have to manage hundreds of individual Edge locations and then how do you do that? We're going to answer a lot of questions about that, about managing the very distributed architecture. What are some of the difference between managing Kubernetes on OpenStack versus managing Kubernetes, maybe separate with the Edge deployment? So what are the pros and cons there? And there's some of the questions that we're going to answer and we're super excited to be there and to help answer any of the questions that might arise. Great. Thank you, Chris. I know it's really great to see another example of OpenStack and Kubernetes integration. I know personally from a lot of articles that we probably show around this topic have been really popular and received really well from the community. So for your session I wonder what are some challenges that you have faced that you will be discussing in the broader summits? Yeah, no, that's a great question. So there's definitely a lot of challenges. Again, the architecture is different than your monolithic deployment and in most cases these Edge locations are disconnected. So with the disconnected environment, one of the challenges is how do you manage all of these 100 locations that cannot get connection to your repositories easily, etc. So I think life cycle and merging life cycle between Kubernetes and OpenStack is one of the biggest challenge we see and it's probably going to be one of the big questions we're going to try to answer. Awesome. Well, that sounds very exciting. Thank you. All right. Well, let's bring back all the speakers on now and if you can turn back down your camera and I have a couple of questions for everyone. So one question I have for the panelists today is so within this summer track and what are you hoping to discuss with the fellow attendees or learn from the fellow speakers? Maybe we can start with that. Yeah, sure. So I am looking forward to being in-person again. I'm actually going to my first in-person conference in May next month. So first one in two and a half years. It will actually be fun not to be on a screen with 6 million people trying to figure out what you're doing. So I'm looking forward to seeing what's been going on in Open Infra and some of the other projects. Obviously, I'm interested in telco stuff. So I'm going to be looking at what's going on with OpenShift and the redhead contributions. So yeah, it's definitely going to be cool. And Berlin is a great city. Yeah, I absolutely love Berlin. Great. What about you, Shichuan and Xiao Guang and Zhixiang? Yeah. I think just like Berlin is a great city. I don't remember which I went to Berlin summit last time. Yeah, it's a lot of discussion, especially on the face-to-face with people. So I think I'd like to take a look and talk to people in person and see what's going on and what's the ladies progress in the community and for each project, especially I want to talk about like the Megaman. It's a new project and I would like to see what's going on in this project and how is there any use cases in this project and also I will take a look how many people are using like the Styling X or the OpenStack or Kubernetes in their environment especially in the telco. Yeah, that's it. Thank you. Anyone else want to take it? Yeah, I would like to like learn how China is deploying their high-git platform on OpenStack, so that will be really interesting topic. So are you guys using Kubernetes? Or you have any idea? I'm sorry, can you repeat that? So is China mobile using Kubernetes on OpenStack any idea? Yes, you ask us if we use Kubernetes on OpenStack. Actually, we have a project named XG Vela. It's Telcom Kubernetes. The project is studied in Linux Foundation Network and by the way also the whole open source community then take a look about the telco future, the future platform for Telcom. And now we are focusing more on the OpenStack platform but in the future I think it's Kubernetes will be the future yeah. We are trying to explore it. I think that's going to be a big discussion at the upcoming summit. How does OpenStack and Kubernetes interact with each other? I think there's new architectures out of containers and definitely still open to much discussion. Yeah. Actually in the last two years the COVID-19 broke the communication with us so we didn't know what happened. Actually, we have a lot of sense we need you to we want to work together with all communities, members on new technology innovations. I know the project two years ago but now we still don't know how to evolve and how to get something so we need to talk in person. On a screen no, I don't think we can do something after so we need a summit. We are looking forward to the Berlin summit. Yeah. Another information I will add to you because as you know in China Mobile we have three kind of public cloud private cloud and network cloud. Now for our public cloud we use OpenStack based on the IS platform which will also provide some service about the Kubernetes but in our network cloud now in our business application in our deployment we only use virtual machine based on OpenStack no container involved about the container Kubernetes platform is the next stage for our evolution about the network cloud. Okay, thank you. Great. Thank you. Great. I think we just got a lot of questions from Terry here and maybe we can see through this one on our screen. I think that's a question for everyone here. So also with this track are there any other tracks that you all are interested in for Berlin? Maybe we can start with Emilia and Chris? Yeah, I haven't been in a conference for the last almost two years and a half so there is a lot of tracks I would like to follow and especially catching up with all the new projects that were born in the last years and where they are up to and trying to connect with what we are doing potentially. So I don't have any idea right now of the track but a lot of them and it's really hard to choose for the schedule actually. I'm a big believer in bare metal as a service so I'm super passionate about that. I've seen a few sessions from CERN I know they're doing a great things about bare metal so I'm definitely excited to join them because they are what challenges they're facing and how can they apply the same things to my customers? Yeah, awesome. Yeah and HPCR is the big topic so I would also like to draw the HPC group to discuss how the open stack can be used in the HPC and CERN is also attended for the HPC group and we can also see a lot of universities share their experience on how they use open stack and Kubernetes on the HPC purpose. And I'm going to be interested in any track that involves Edge and Telco which I think there's quite a few of them. I was going to add the networking components for what we talked about this on the Edge working group quite a bit, but networking SDN, IPv6 are all key topics. I'm interested in Open Infra Lab as we mentioned this morning because now we build a DV inter ops platform which will provide some DV ops in our in our company we can do some integration about all all the components for the NFV from different vendors then we will build our own self-development software platform to do some continuous integration and continuous test for different NFV components. So I think this morning we do some discussion with Open Infra Lab community about it. Maybe we can do some cooperation or some contribution for the Open Infra Lab so I'm interested in some kind of discussion. Okay. Great, thank you all and I guess just to finish, I personally very excited for the Hardware Enablement Track and I know that's the newest track that we recently decided for this Berlin Summit and I know GPU, DPUs and also how the hardware standards have topics such in this era has been quite popular so I'm definitely looking forward to see to meet all the speakers about all those topics and also just to remind everyone and so today we covered the track about 5G, NFV and Edge and we also have ten other tracks on AI machine learning, HPC CSDB containers and getting started, hands-on workshop, open development private hybrid cloud, public cloud and security. So definitely check out our schedule and our website that's listed down below and definitely looking forward to see everyone at Berlin and hopefully you're able to build your own schedule before the summit as well. Yeah, so before we conclude I just really want to thank all of our awesome guests today and I really appreciate you all for joining us and sharing your insights and wisdom. Again if you would like to interact with this awesome group of speakers and to watch their full sessions make sure to register and save your seat at the Berlin summit before the price increases March 18th and if you enjoyed this episode on March 31st at 14 UTC we invited contributors from the OpenStack Yoga release to talk about the key features of this release. What use cases are impacted and what operators can expect so definitely stay tuned and get excited. And lastly I'd like to thank all of our member organizations who support the Foundation's mission and make this show possible if you thank you too for all of your support and as a side note if you're interested in joining the Foundation check out OpenInfra.gov slash join to learn more and also remember that if you have ideas for the show we really want to hear from you so submit your ideas at ideas.openinfra.live and maybe we'll see you on a future episode. And thanks again to everyone on today's panel and see you all in two weeks. Bye. Thank you. Thank you. Have a nice day.