 There were some things that were mismanaged that I had to help clean up and that I was a little bit frustrated about. So when I finally reached out to Rain, you know, I was like, Hey, what's up, man? Like, you know, I wanna get you on my podcast, right? You know, he stiffed me as I was gonna be this much, right? I know he is and I get it, you know what I mean? I'm not tripping about it, but I was like, man, hold up, like, you don't even know, right? That I'm over here playing ghost manager for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know how you have the ghost writers that write the raps for the hardest? I'm playing ghost manager for you. Because we were ourselves. We dictated the conversation. We didn't compromise who we were and we spoke fluently and educated in this business that we've given our lives to, you know what I'm saying? And to be, again, someone of Mexican American descent, you know, I don't know anybody from my city or really from the general area that's been able to experience that level. And maybe there is, I don't know. There is, I'm just gonna go and let you know, there is. And one of the guys, you put his name in your mouth and he's in those rooms just like you. He's on your level. Y'all both neck and neck, you say that he could never touch you. Rainwater. I said Mexican, you know what I'm saying? You said Mexican, you didn't say anything. You weren't talking about his family. Well, let's talk about Rainwater. I wanna talk about Rainwater. Like you made a hard statement in that deal. I watched that in Mogul media when it came out because that's my boy. You know, that's how I met you. Hey, number six, hey, he remember the number six came to keep a list. But I'm just saying. The only Latino that came to keep a list. I just wanna know how you felt so strongly to make those strong remarks about you being the best manager and Rainwater could never, could never be on your level. Y'all both got a lot of similarities, y'all promote. Y'all go in these different rooms with these different big labels. So what makes you think that you're untouchable? I was at Cap. You said it. It wasn't Cap. I'll tell you that. It was a little bit of WWE. It was a little bit of like, look brother, I'm gonna face you in a still cage match, brother. You know what I'm saying? I was killing myself, but that was a good interview. I appreciate it. No, I mean, I'll tell you the thing about Rain. I did it kind of to ruffle some feathers, to be honest with you, I was a little irritated with something that he did and I spoke on it, but I don't really have an issue with him, right? You know, there was some, because I have a relationship with Bump, right? Bumpy Johnson. I like Bumpy. Bumpy comes over here and sing and go in. Hey man. Holder, life I live, it got colder. Say the line for you. And Buffy's special. You don't get it fucked up. Buffy go hard. And I actually had a label reach out to me about him recently. Really? So Bumpy's aware of it, you know what I'm saying? And we've spoken and, but you know, I was doing a lot of work for Bump behind the scenes and he didn't, he never let Rain know that I was the one kind of navigating and doing some of those things. So there were some things that were mismanaged that I had to help clean up and that I was a little bit frustrated about. So when I finally reached out to Rain, you know, I was like, hey, what's up man? Like, you know, I want to get you on my podcast, right? You know, he stiffed me as I was going to be this much, right? Yeah, I know he is. And I get it, you know what I mean? I'm not tripping about it, but I was like, man, hold up, like, you don't even know, right? That I'm over here playing ghost manager for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know how you have the ghost writers that write the raps for the hardest? I'm playing ghost manager for you, for sure. I heard all that. Yeah, I mean, so, you know, and I felt like, but even honestly, truth be told, I'll tell you, here's a boss talk one-on-one exclusive. Hey, you know what I'm saying? Even whenever I was going to interview him, the plan was always to like, maybe it was for the viewership and just for the conversation. The plan was always to challenge him online, on TV or on screen, and be like, let's have a manager face off. You take an artist that's go 12 months, head-to-head, and let's see who has better results. I was always going to do that. Did y'all, y'all ever do that? No, no, I mean, he's reached out a few times, I mean, but I mean, I don't really, at this point, it's kind of like, whatever. But yeah, I mean, but anyways. But the challenge, still there. I mean, if he wants to lose money, I don't know. You think it's a trap, okay? Cause I'm going to be honest with you. I remember this time period when this bumpy thing was going on. And I remember Bumpy Jess getting over there with him too. So he really was locking in with you, probably prior to him even dealing with Roy. Yeah, kind of sort of. Because that was early on. I know that were early on because of the time and when I seen the interview. Kind of sort of. I mean, you know what? Like I don't really want to speak on the bumpy situation because bumpy is, he's kind of like, he's his own thing, right? And you know, he messaged me. Like, come on, it's really, can't out of that shade. But I hope he knows it was a little bit of theatrics, a little bit of fun. I mean, we all do it, but, but no, I mean, to answer the question or to not steer away from it, I stand by what I said. Like, I don't think he can see me, you know what I mean? But Rayna, I mean, you him, man. Hey, y'all dope, man. Lobe easy. It's a dope look. It's some dope managers, man. I'll say this about Rayna and you know, because I felt like, you know, I didn't want him to think, oh, he's using my name for cloud. Cause he went on this whole thing about how he has more followers and this and that. And then I started like, cause you didn't, I don't know if you were watching the shit I was actually doing on IG. Bro, I was pulling his numbers. I was pulling my numbers. I went on to like the social media engagement calculator. I was showing that I had a higher engagement rate. So you real petty. Yeah, I was like, bro, you know something they, this ain't adding up. Somebody got fake followers, you know what I mean? So you saying Ray got fake followers? I don't know about all that, but I was saying, something wasn't added up with all the honesty. Like I will say this, like, he's very influential to a community. And I can't take that away from anybody. Cause when, even when we look at that gamekeeper list that D did, by the way, man, D didn't put one out this year. D, I think them niggas scared D, man. D running right here scared to put that list out. Cause you know they already told him could put that list out. They don't want it out no more. People say don't even put me on it no more. I think Sean Cotton say, I'm done with the list. He retired him. Yeah, yeah, man, Jay Prince. They don't want to be on the list no more, you know. So, hey, I don't know. What you think? You think he should bring this back? I think if he doesn't boss talk, one of one needs to drop the list. You want to drop the list? We can do it, though. Hey, not really. She's like, hell no, I don't want to be a part of it. No, I'm going to be honest with you. Like, it's cool. It's a conversation. Starting honesty, like, believe it or not, like whenever they do do it, it does shed light on some of the guys that deserve to get shed light on. You were exactly right there. So, like, I don't see nothing wrong in it. But, but nah, man, like all those guys are influential, you know, from rain to baby to everybody, man. So I do believe, like, you know, even yourself, you know, I'm saying, man, everybody's influential. No, we are influential because y'all have the ability to shed light and amplify a situation. And that's a gift. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So as much as like I was calling them out and all that. Like, I really don't give a fuck. To be honest with you, like, if I see him, it's like, oh, well, come on, we got to fight. Like, there ain't nothing like that. I was telling everybody, I was like, man, the shit ain't the bloods and the krypsis, the music industry. Like, it's like, if this is basketball and there's a ball on the court, and you know, I feel I could beat you one-on-one. I'm going to tell you, I could beat you one-on-one. If I believe it, that's what it is, whether or not people agree. Do you give him pride from O3, man? And the job he did, not only when he was alive, but after he passed away. I think he's doing a good job right now because I know that he recently reached out to somebody that I'm really close to see. This is the thing, he doesn't know how tied in I am, right? One of the records that he played a part in, you know, post passing, right? I have it on my phone right now. See, this is the thing, like we all run in the same circles. So you got to respect people because you don't know how much we could work with each other and how we could benefit from one another. But maybe it's just not within his realm of thinking that there's business to be done here, right? I do think he's doing the best of his abilities to maintain the legacy. During the time that he was alive, I'll be honest with you, I wasn't really keeping up to that degree. Okay. But the fact that mode three, and again, like I don't want to speak uneducated, but the fact that, you know, he has become, you know, a legend. A legend, he's huge, man. You know what I'm saying? People hold him in that goat conversation now when it comes to artists that have come here. Anybody and everybody that was part of that, from Rain to Prophecy to the producers. Oh, Prophecy is my guy. Cause, you know, visually, he created the, he created the look, the brand. There's a lot of people that play a part, they all deserve to be like, you know, celebrated in the sense that like they all played a part. So I don't know to the degree of, you know, the direction, the strategy. I don't know that. But yeah, but I just think it's a beautiful thing. You know how, you know how being a manager in a situation, he is. And you know what? I will never take that away from him because you know, that's one thing that no one can ever say when it went, history was written one way and one way only. Because I've heard people try to discredit him and say, man, the only reason that he's who he is is because of this artist. Like, nah, bro, like the truth is, the story was written one way and that's him and him together. Yeah, we on Boss Talk TV. Shout out to Ihi, the reason you see.