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And I was going to draw in. I thought, ah, come on. That's a little too far fetched. Now you are trading at the 480, 4830 level in the e-mini. Why even bother to draw this in? That's a little far fetched. You can see that buying just keeps coming in, incessant buying. And I wanted to draw this in. It would have been to this peak D-top. Yeah. And I was going to say, okay, let's draw this what I usually do. And I didn't do it today because it just, it seemed a little far fetched. And look at this. That could take us to about 1150 just before noon to be able to get back to the way we were at 910 on the 10th. That was yesterday at this time, 910. That was an hour at 24 hours, 23 hours ago. And isn't that interesting? That was a low at 4787. And the low so far today is 4789.7. I'm missing by two points. But isn't that interesting? I mean, I would have thought that's just, that's a little too much, especially when I saw that there was some strength in some of those magnificent seven, you never know when that's going to end. And maybe it's just ended because we'll see. All right, days out. Yeah, it's good going. There's a lot to talk about. As I said, for me, it's a really critical moment. And I want to go through this. Let's go through this right from the beginning. The Dow. The Dow is now trading down 206 points at 37,486. Now, one of the reasons why we've been short, we shorted the almost exact top, then we got taken out for a little bit of a gain that we were right back in. And I've kept that stop. And I said, no, we are going to stay in this position at least for now, because everything about this topping action looks like distribution. Now, distribution, if you're not running numbers and seeing block trades and all sorts of things that really pertain to volume, it's really tough to do. But I look at volume in a different way. And my volume statistic is based on the on balance volume. That's like Joe Granville's method of just it's a simple, simple technique. You just add up the closing price. If the closing price is up, you add the running total and if it's down, you just subtract it from the running total. It's just real simple. Well, under any circumstance, this nine-period moving average, which is still very strong, the green line above the 14 and the daily chart, said, oh, you're going to be a little careful here. There's still residual strength. But if you look, the magtees down, the stochastic is now under 70, under 80 percent at 71 percent. The on balance volume is making this little kind of struggling to break out. And it's so over, this is the only technique that I use for overboard and oversold. I do use the relative strength, but I use it as a kind of a backup to everything I'm looking at. The relative of strength went over 80 percent back. This is the right thing. See, right there on the 13th of December, it became overboard right up until the 20th. And then it went back to kind of a normal level. And that said to me, just be careful. And that was one of the reasons, an additive to say, if you're short now, you don't have to be aggressive, but you've got to consider that this is the potential for where it turned around could happen. But I have to go back to this. I'm going to bore some of you with us. There is the, that's the GDX, I don't need that. I want the dowel. There is the dowel with the nine period moving average of the 14 on the left side. The arm balance volume, showing this little double top right here. And big red candle, red candles mean nothing until they really start to close underneath the 14 period moving average, thereby dragging the green nine period moving average lower. And you can see the whole thing here. I said, are we here? There was August the 1st. And I put the question mark right there. There was the 15th. 28th, around about the 28th of December. And now we're looking at this kind of toppy toppy action. And I still haven't yet got the negative crossover in the nine period under the 14. So let's just go back to the story we're looking at here. So what I was looking for, I wonder if I've got it here. I can do it if I haven't. No, I haven't. Okay, I'll show you in this case. This is what I show my subscribers every day. Here's the Dow daily. This has got the nine, the 14 and the 20 period exponential moving averages and the Chapman wave notation. It also had the one-to-one expansion to the upside which said you could go to right there. That was the 37,500 level in a one-to-one expansion from this right here little one-bar reversal to the upside. We went above that. We went to 37,790 and that was on, oh that was January, sorry January the second. It was just after that that we shorted and then we got back in short and now it's gone to 37,801. That's 11 points higher. And now if you're looking at, yeah on the right, I've got, look, automatically you see these light green numbers here, automatic Chapman wave resistance levels and right here whatever this number is, let me see 37,200 is the automated support level and I also said we're waiting for a peak D in the 120-minute chart but look at the plethora of resistance on the Chapman wave automated resistance levels right here up to 37,842 and we needed a leg D and I had said, you know it's so interesting I was going to make it complicated and complicated would have said if we go one pin out I'd even typed in and let me just see here go to my newsletter, yes, this is exactly what it says, it goes to subscribers every day to my opening call. I said I down closed up 170 at 37,695, helped a lot by big gains in Home Depot and Microsoft. The 120-minute now this is really important is at peak C with improving calculs and one penny over 37,740.77 begins new leg D which is what we've got, he supports 37,630 to 37,580 with two sessions to go one penny above 37,790.08 this week extends leg A in the recent charts and I don't want to tell you what to look for, I'll be back at a month. Now he's done 27 cents and he's done 29. If you're looking for potential trading setups in the stock market then Rocket Equities and Options Report is a newsletter you should try. Tommy O'Brien delivers options and equity trades when the markets present them using a combination of fundamentals and technicals. Sign up for Rocket Equities and Options Report today with a 30-day money-back guarantee so you have nothing to risk. 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you'd be normally expecting with a report that's coming out Thursday and today came out certainly was a little more than people were expecting that the one the other kudos is in our Tiger YouTube folks either you join the den the Tiger Den or the Tiger YouTube just sign up I mean just the easy stuff to do uh Bull Bear Jeff said and he said this way earlier I let me just check I don't I can't see the time but he said um right here he said rug pull there's the rug pull starting Bull Bear Jeff a there's the rug pull and absolutely that's I love the term rug pull I've used it for years because it's just that it's like Lucy pulls it right and pulls the wall away you know you don't expect that it whoops it just happens what we were expecting because of that egg did that doesn't mean to say this is the top or anything like that says right now the kind of reversal that you've had is such a surprise I think I need to do this right now I'm going to skip what I was going to do next just to do this I wanted to show you something uh so look here there's 120 minute chart there's your peak a then another one underneath it a b and what do we look for in the jamboree methodology d d's where other things can happen you've got to be ready for it and there's your leg d this is still ball 120 minute ball leg d still a leg d it's not a peak yet you have to make a higher a lower high below 37,008 or 1.90 and that'll give you your pt all right I want you to just have a check on this btc because talk about rug pull well it's not really rug pull there's a leg after the daily chart of btc there's a bitcoin I thought it wouldn't that be interesting with all the passing all the just getting the news that they were waiting waiting waiting for and then all of a sudden that's where you get some kind of toppy action I have to tell you a peak a peak b peak c there could be maybe one more pop to the upside then I think you might get a little bit of a I'm just looking at bitcoin and it said 47,850 it's up 1525 maybe you recovery high it's actually a new yearly high although we made a high in the good this is the bitcoin continuous contract at 72,850 back in November of 2021 so a yearly high no no it hasn't made a yearly high because in 2022 oh we're in 2024 in March 2022 the high was 51,305 yeah all right so we haven't yet but it's a new yearly high okay but that said I like to go back to a couple of things so I want you to talk about the daily the weekly chart of the the Dow it's unbelievable to think that this could happen but you've got a peak F uh 37,737,790 last week and this week it's just fractionally high so for three weeks consecutive weeks you could actually say for four they've just been nominal new highs remember I was talking about distribution to me this is one of two things and we won't know until either the Dow actually trades it doesn't have to close it it just needs to touch the low of this candle right here that's 36,000 it just has to get into the 36,500 that's a thousand points down at any point in January to say markets are kind of gone back to a normal the normality that you would expect because if there is a continuation look I'm going to draw this in and we'll draw it in and see what happens there's this little tiny flag of pen information right here look at that you go up and you go down like this there are times we're in a huge move to the upside usually to the up you can't get it to the down but it's really much more common the upside where let me just make this I want you to look right it doesn't look right can't give you the information that you need see there's a little expanding cone right here there are times historically if you go back but even though you've had a spectacular move to the upside this is just a way station little stopping station little filling stations not for electric charging because it's too short this is this is it's too long I'm sorry this is for gas filling up here and it says if it's going to be a breakout either this candle or the very next candle doesn't take out the low and that's the low of this week which is in the Dow 37,249 instead it not only breaks the upside but it almost is about a 50 percent gain of the full candle it says it's really it's like it's like a breakout that says it's like an instant it's like a chapter we've instant restart except it had completely different characteristics it hasn't made a little peak here to consider that could be a peak and then this is a pullback by even one penny and then this is a new high then I've got an instant restart so it has some of the characteristics in the timing but not the methodology all right I needed to say that why because there are so many bias I mean I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the day even though we might close down you're still getting bias coming in because that's what distribution does it says I'm not done buying I want to get in but I'm not I'm not done selling either because I want to go from one stock to another stock so I'm selling some to buy something new and I want to buy winners and this is usually the case that that's why Microsoft even now is still up to 260 when when you would normally expect on a day like this that it would scream up to that leg just let's go the MSFT and it's just one of the magnificent seven it would just scream above all the previous highs 384.30 was the all-time high back in 29th of November so it's not a big deal 390.68 up 60 cents six dollars that's not the issue the issue is this this inverted cup formation so I think of this as a dreaded H except the reverse Y because it's upside down and it just says if you take out that left side high you want to see out of two to three bars you want to be closing above that high at least two out of those three bars and then it can go even higher if it comes back into the body of trading the rectangle body of trading now there was underneath let's call it 384 let's call it 383 if it starts to go under 383 on a closing basis now you're looking at a sideways choppy action all right so let me go back here so I want you to now go to so that this is still a leg as unfathomable as it is with such a spectacular move this is still in the the Dow even though we've had a sideways consolidation from the low that was made at 32,327 on the 27th of October look we've got one two three weeks four weeks five six seven eight nine ten 11 weeks of a single leg A now you'd say you say oh this has to be one of those chamois single leg A up patterns that just gives me 65 to 75 percent and we go no that doesn't have to be the case you've got to monitor the technicals without incredible technicals are 96 percent of the stochastic unbalanced a little bit overbought through a very dumb little digestive action look at this the nine the bank D is so strong and the nine is so strong I would say the 36,500 um gee I don't know if we'll get there currencies commodities and bond markets are as important as ever 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don't forget you can listen to tfnn live on your mobile device 24 hours per day go to tfnn.com then hit watch tiger tv that's tfnn.com then hit watch tiger tv well i almost forgot to look at my notes here i've got notes all over the show that i can't discuss today um so let me just do this i'm gonna go to questions first so first question was i'm looking at bank of them i'm looking at where was it looking at bank of america because i got to find it now i'll get it in a second sorry taking my mind i had already but i moved the mouse okay um basal i am looking at thanks folks gosh i can't believe i'm scrolling away i'm not getting anyway i just want to get the exact question because it was about bank of america and um bank of america bank of america i'll get it oh god there it goes all high i'm looking at bac down here today can you check it out please thank you so i look jb morgan comes out with earnings it made a peak g uh there was almost an instant restart this it's really a g slash c i'm calling it g for now in the daily it's a leg e in the weekly maybe a peak e this week and a leg c in the monthly chart so all of that's very good look at a city bank whoops city bank right here so uh jb morgan's down at dollar 91 at 169.11 made a recovery high in the 173 area just about five sessions ago city's the same thing made a high about five sessions ago it was a peak in the 54 area now it's at 51 66 um peak c maybe this week if it doesn't take out that 54 is high uh leg a in the monthly chart not anywhere close as as strong the the the last two months have been fantastic uh you can see that in the daily the weekly the monthly says oh man this is just getting back the doesn't the nine hasn't even crossed positive yet um and jb morgan city bank it was another one and bank of america so let's go to bank of america so bank of america is training at 32.98 um real long and um we're looking at we're looking at this as a peak d right here and what i i mentioned this yesterday how fascinating within this rectangle which i said looks very much like distribution you got a very quick and a very uh small amplitude peak abcd and now it's back almost to the starting point at 32.98 it is a peak c in the weekly chart and like city it's a leg a in the monthly chart and that doesn't look great so the weekly chart saw very strong technicals has a combination of the 200 period moving average and the 9 period moving average in the 32s 32 34 and 32 17 as a really important support and the 200 period moving average in the dead is at 32.39 so they've got earnings coming out tomorrow from everything i'm looking at right now all i can say is i want to add to our position we've taken a little bit off but i want to add to it but i'm trying to have as much patience as i can because these are financials and if you look at the xlf xlf has got the same kind of as as bank of america not as the others but these are two important ones for me the xlf is the s and p select spider financial fund and you can see it's kind of looks like distribution all the technicals was starting to weaken not very much but we can nine period moving areas the blue line right here the unbalanced volume i'm sorry is double topping the nine is still way over the 14 that's a good sign so i don't see anything really bad but i do see that it's kind of overbought and that it is telling me that you need patience so steve i'm going to say have patience i would even say to you if you want you could nibble here but i'm not i'm going to say i'm looking at this as this is the way up this is a full term for at least a short term trend change and if you go to the 120 minute chart you i'm sure you can see it yep there it is yes your trend change you've gone from so this peak a peak b peak c d e f g and you pull back very sharply it's just suggesting to me that you need a little bit more patience now where would i become very interested i'd become very interested towards the the lower part of 32 it's a 32 96 right now now what if you don't get it well this pattern says i can chop around there is a possibility that we can make this a sideways build of a trampoline 32 60 support level that really springs it into the 35s i don't see that yet i don't think so i i just don't see it in this particular point so yes i like it looking out but on a shorter term basis i think it's overboard and i'd wait so where would i wait give me a yell let's look at it together at about 30 to 60 to 30 to 20 that's kind of where i would be looking at to see if i want to add to our position that's how it is right now so i hope that helped the next question came and i should put down here in my notes so i'm going to put where's my thursday i call thursday friday by mistake oh there it is um thursday steve vac i want to put that in there just so i've got in my notes because the next question is also a good one and that is right here aspn good morning basil your thoughts on aspn dude wants to know long position looking to add so aspn now i'm trying to recall i know that symbol i've seen it many times before oh there it is oh oh oh i know why i like this because this is this is like symbolic this fits the whole thing so this is aspen aero gels ink laser expert laser and sensors thermal insulation waste many waste management for molten metals optics and light guides electronic development capacitors imaging development catalysts pesticides and cosmic dust collection i mean does not that sound like i've got to have one of those well it made a peak d in the weekly chart with the doji candle i looked at this the other day i completely forgot to update it well it must have been before that so it's actually about two three weeks now i haven't looked at it it made a peak d it was spectacular it's just gone straight up in fact from peak c which was at um 916 on the 13th week of the 13th of october it pulled back and then it had no peaks until it made this peak on 29th of december at 17.32 doji candle chap we've inverted roman candle and now a big red candle for the week so this is a peak f daily it's a peak d weekly and it's only i believe a it's a blagby monthly i love everything about what it says i the chart itself made an eiffel tower straight up straight down monthly it's very hard in a monthly chart to do this it looks like an uppercase a and then it came down and it took out the left side look oh did it take down off 4.09 was the low back march of 2020 that's 4.09 what was the low it's so attracted in incorrect and then in april of 2020 and his peak went to 541 all right that should be over i'll be back the gold report as a precious metal gold is still king it continues to hold the most effective safe haven and hedging properties across the global major trading hubs of the london otc market the us futures market and the shanghai gold exchange the gold report tom obrien publishes his weekly gold report every monday morning for subscribers consisting of coverage of the xau hui 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terms of what are the technicals do and this particular case if the nine remains under the 14 period moving average i suspect it gets into the 12 so give me a yell let's look at it together i wouldn't want you to do anything right now i would suggest if you're into options i would go out into march and i'd wait for a pullback to the low 12s the high 11s and then i'd buy out the money call position maybe at 14.50 if they're going 50 cent increments or maybe 15 just take it kind of a nibble and it won't be more than you know maybe even lucky to get it at 75 cents or something like that and that's a good way to just get in position and say i'm waiting but i'd wait i'd wait for just let's look at it again i'm not saying to get into it now just hold off let's look at the game maybe monday up so just got a little bell that said ping so let me go to that right now if i can actually use my master's slide here we go so where am i going to i'm going to go to there and then i'm going to go click to el my engineer and he says we've got john in fully john how are you basal i'm doing very well uh thanks for taking the call how are you today i'm very well and it's always great to hear from you what do you want to look at uh basal frankly i don't have any question uh what i did want to do is mention two things one thank you for your analysis on the u.s. stock indices the dowry isn't being nasdaq 100 you've been very thorough today and past weeks of course but the second point i just wanted to state this out loud uh to you and um and your audience um basal your work is so highly valuable uh in a great many ways but i want to emphasize this one today you are uh you know basal you and i have known each other for a very long time now a long time yes and as a consequence i've seen your analysis your um your trade actions your client advice now uh endlessly it seems and you are so particularly skilled at identifying potential intermediate term turning points and once you found them uh you are particularly uh effective at sticking with a trend um much more so than just about buddy basal i've ever come across um and so i just wanted to pay you the compliment that that work is so valuable and i'm very intrigued and interested in the conclusions you're coming to both this week and the past three or four but uh kudos to you that was the main reason for my call to you today gee i really do appreciate it john and you know we've been in this business for a long time and i look at what you do and i'm i'm saying to myself if ever someone actually gets a particular trend and knows how to stay with the trend even though you know i've got that chart that i sometimes show with the arrow down when the prices are going up but it should be the arrows up because you're trading on the upside and i always say if you're going against the tide you can have this quick you've got to be nimble and you got to know what you're doing if you're going against the tide i i have to compliment you because i think a lot of people in the den i can see how how great an influence you are just in the way people are starting to think uh as they come in new newbies come in and i can see how they moderate how they always want to do something quickly but you're the you have sang when you have you have the sense to say this is the tide and i don't want to gain against the tide until i get confirmation that the tide has changed so i back and forth we got a little compliments going and i have to compliment you too john congratulations as all fights again uh you have a good day thank you very much so folks with that said a couple of things are going on so within i i'm wondering if i can do that i'm going to do that right now because i think it's so important i'm trying and to be as determined as i can at seeing my technicals for what they are so let me see i can go right here click yep it'll probably pop up right here in front of us i'm going to go to this one right here and i'm gonna scroll down this is the webinar that i did about a month ago i want to go to this particular slide right here i should have it just free to pick it up anytime yeah there so this is the slide i was talking to john about you see how the price is going up and you see how the price is going down doesn't look wrong when the arrow is pointing down so if you're shorting if you're good you can short you can get each one of these dips to the downside as we uh take a look at the peaks and and count the peaks essentially grading whatever it is we're following to the upside but this is really what you want to do with the trend you want to trade with the trend and i've been trying my best to do that it's not always easy so i wanted to point out that if you have the technical indicators going with you with the time remember if you throw a piece of driftwood out if the tide is going out that driftwood will not come to shore it'll constantly be pushed back out into the ocean if the tide is coming in and you throw a piece of driftwood don't expect it to go out very much because every time the waves come in it drags that that piece of driftwood and that's really what i'm looking at trying to identify the tide now with that said 222 as they say you know uh dances when they are opera singers when they're about to do something they say 222 that kind of a russian i think a russian uh superstition um this is going to be very difficult why because you can see these the waves the tide just the waves just keep coming in like even now microsoft after making an all-time high you'd expect who-who perfect day to be down five points it could still do that by the end of the day but right now it's still holding a dollar sixty higher from their close yesterday and that's what i'm saying so in this particular instance i'm going to draw you to this because i need to follow up on what john said for a couple of reasons one is the the longs that we have for subscribers to my opening call for instance we've had 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particular sector so it's holding the 200p moving out of 7.06 it's trading at 7.30 if you're in it and you want and you're looking I think longer term it's going to definitely move up to the 850s but right now it's just kind of stuck so just be a little careful put in a fatty type I put in a fatty type stuff you can always get back in so folks the guys down 181 there's to be done 24 we never discuss the estimators which are down to 79 cents so I have a say to you for Steve Rhodes have a