 What's up chat man? What's up YouTube? This the need a podcast episode 89. Who's the best 89 ever in NFL history? I have one name goes to mine when I see 89 that Steve Smith ice up son I don't know who you guys pick as number 89 goes right to a mess what my mind goes to James Jones the original hoodie wear who else check give me a 89. Give me another 89. I think James Jones I think Steve Smith is Steve Smith the best 89. Is he really the best 89? This is y'all gotta give me another one. I said James Jones, Steve Smith. It's gotta be another one It was 89 a Bobo number like that. Is Steve Smith really the only one? Damn chat, we're ass. Wasn't a Mario Cooper 89 for a little bit. I might be tripping with that Maybe a Mario Cooper was was my Cooper 89 when he was in Oakland See look at me. Have he I tell you I'll be tripping. I really know my number. I know my NFL Donald driver was I think Donald driver was 88. No, it John driver was 80, right? Yeah, John driver was 80 Come on boys. Come on boys Who else we got 89 tight ends 89? You guys are ass. I know today. It looks like yeah, exactly 89 is this the Smith's number. I'll be honest 89 is a Steve Smith number. I appreciate you guys Man today is the podcast and these are my topics. We're gonna talk about the yard Other than today the last two days talking about this this this prize pool The yard is the biggest news that happened this whole week, you know, that's the biggest and we'll talk about that Also talk about the ratings which I know we all know we really don't matter and if you think they matter You're kind of in the disconnect from what Madden really means And it's about the prize pool and I will tell you I worked yesterday Not because I needed to work because I needed to get out of the house I don't know what you guys are doing in quarantine. I don't know what the hell you guys got going on in life But I needed to get out of the house. So I needed to work So I got myself a little super part part time job Just cutting trees every one when I went pretty much whenever I want to I can go do a day of work here in there I needed that So when outside not only to be outside But to kind of be around people like socialize while you were I just that that has needed to go Need to go outside man, but I got hella poison ivy because of it I don't know and I got actually got some on my eye right here So that's kind of popping me a little bit of a house man first tree it could one tree one day. I was like, bro This should not got poison ivy on my eyes and my hands and stuff like that But if I can't work one day and come home and do video games and I don't deserve to be a human So this I go what it might as well make some more money somewhere else, but That's why I was yesterday today play the game all day When I was outside, I didn't I don't wear my mask while I was cutting trees No, only when I go I wear masks all the time, but not when I'm cutting trees You know, yeah, it's kind of Rob. I'll tell you what get paid to exercise I wouldn't go as far as to say that cuz I mean I was kind of tired really For real I was tired hot and in the heat the whole day or the Sun What and I always tell people man people talk about like older The Sun is the hottest at noon till the Sun is the hottest at like three o'clock four o'clock. Oh my god Maybe cuz I'll be tired from being up at like six, but like when the Sun hits at three o'clock or four o'clock I guess it's just a different angle. I don't know what it is Bro, that should be humming. Yo, that should be humming at three four o'clock There it is this magic this magic will be a yard specialist Although I did see fits in the boys getting popped by problem rate in 2k I never thought I'd see my 2k team didn't pick me up didn't have the leader out there Just getting popped in 2k. I don't know. I mean you guys can check out problem stream I'm sure he's gonna play 2k again in the future, but fits fancy Wesley Kwanee and Who the hell was a third? Oh my god. Why am I drawing a blank? Oh? Drenny of course Drenny Drenny they got popped for hundreds of dollars on 2k They really just did not have the leader. They did not have somebody to real in Wesley and they got popped honestly I don't know Techno my guy with the tier one so they got popped. Yes, they needed a leader Yeah, I don't want anything to do with George Robb, but but then I said this too as far as working outside and being in the south I assume you just get used to where you're living, you know and like your environment and everything like that You know, they got popped by problem really and The worst thing about them they didn't make problem beat them They let prime go out there problem literally he he was me in warzone, bro. He really was bro Just running around But they got pop they got pop 500 game, bro Let's talk about this yard stuff Cuz the biggest news Danny it was bad bro. That's just it's just rough. It's just rough that they went out like that My ex team that they cut me. I Don't know if they cut me. They hit me up. They know I got the game. They know I have thumbs. It's cool Um, but this yard shit is probably I and I was thinking we were talking about this About the yard shit, so I poison out of my eye But is there any way this six on six could be wack chat? Is there any way this shit could be wack and I'm thinking myself. Let's think about that Is there any way the 6v6 could be corny? Let's talk about how could it possibly be corny like that song like how could they how could they mess this up? I Don't know how it's I don't know how like the format of it's gonna be You know, I don't really know what it's gonna All right, is it gonna be just a quarterback with five receivers and say go? You know, is there gonna be plays in it? You know, is it gonna be like a reverse? Are you at the lineup in the same spot every time? Are you literally the quarterback with the five eligible receivers? What's it gonna be with see now you said now peace when it says to me With randoms is gonna be corny. I think Like do you ever watch like I watch obviously apex and call duty man when the best players drop into like a solo queue by themselves That's some of the most entertaining streaming that I see and they just carry everybody by themselves Now I don't think I doubt that's possible in Madden, but I think somebody dropping into a solo queue Six on six yard game would be funny to watch Yeah, I don't know how my man kills though gifting but see like how it's gonna be on next-gen only that'd be cool I mean that I guess that I guess it'd be cool for me because I'm definitely gonna have next-gen instantly But I don't know But what I don't even remember what NFL Street was like the street had plays right But we never had a street where every user Everybody was a user. You know Sam Street was not better than Madden if we're gonna say dumb shit I'm not gonna have the shoulders not gonna long if we're just gonna say street was better than Madden He's not even guys man. Oh five was way better than man in 20. It has more gameplay features Those guys exist those guys exist ps2 had way better features Yeah, do you think they're gonna let their to this day 2k 5s the best football game ever look at the throwing motions That's the one look at the throwing motions. They have every throwing motion down Madden 15 years later Still can't get throwing motions Yeah, just that's what they say bro. I don't really know that's what we're talking about having what could The details be I mean Do you think you're like locked in the running around or like I I think five on five like five receivers in a route and 60 is going to be insanely nuts insanely nuts Like and do you think the defense is gonna be allowed to blitz where the defense just rushes three people every time Do you think the offensive line is going to be in the game? Just computerized like the past rushing the past rushing is Computerized do you think there's gonna be offensive line a defensive line that we have no control over and maybe the defense can then blitz extra people That's what I'm saying. Could it be bad my man joke with the tier one Just a timer Okay, that's tough now Ted I honestly oh Man, it's gonna be the same. I don't know. I think I think I think maybe they have ideas that maybe they Won't put in the full game. I really don't know. I Don't think six on six is too much. I just I mean Yeah, no linemen in in Mississippi count. It can't be 10. That'd be old D. But then again, it's so hard to pass Six users, yeah But if the honestly if the field's big enough and the lurker isn't crazy you could do it I don't really know five seconds might be bad This is how I feel I feel your superstar gonna be able to play anything Cuz like are we gonna have to go make our player and say I want to be quarterback Cuz then like what if you have a quarterback and you can't play with anybody else? Right cuz say me and skimbo. We got a quarterback. Can't wait now We can't play together with the hell now got a 62 speed wide receiver I feel like your player should just be able to do everything give my player 99 everything and let's go out there, right? Like don't give me I feel like if they handicap your player or Make three or four different versions of yourself, you know I want my wide receiver version or my quarterback version anything like that not now But you know I mean tricky I don't want to just be stuck in one thing especially if you want to be like play with a bunch of different people Also, as we say this there when yes fits That's how I feel bro forget a player just pick it even at the yard Even if you got to pick like Joey Chestnut at Y receiver or you got to pick Ronnie rocket is the quarterback or some shit, right? Street did have quarterbacks playing defense. I don't know man. I Don't want to have to pick a player that I am right chat. I don't want to have to pick my player Or pick my specific position and then be stuck when that specific position all the time Picked from NFL rosters. I don't know. I think that might Picking from NFL rosters might Might um, I don't know that'd be cool NFL rosters are nuts to play bro See, but I think I think The prospect of having your own creative player is awesome, right chat Like that whole process of a my player is awesome But then it comes back think about 2k like if I made a lockdown I couldn't just go bust somebody ass on the court, right? Offensive and defensive player. I feel like but now I feel like it's tough. I Think you need honestly, I think I think you need three people, right? I think you need a defensive player Oh, why receiver and then a quarterback, right? I'm searcher. Well, here's these dickheads with the fucking example. Oh, you can play point guard with a lockdown You can oh, duh. Yes, you can do that. Dummy fucking idiots, bro Just get out of here man. I hate I hate I hate I hate just I hate all you plebes, bro Clearly made an example clearly made example. Well, actually you can do that with a lockdown well actually Whole bunch of plebes bro whole bunch of them man But we'll see like I said, I don't think it's a way it's gonna be corny Cuz let's be real squads now is his ass is as ass as ass can be right? It is as bad as it can be literally just go on there and play defense as There a matter of fact you can you can score with a lockdown. Duh No, it's okay. My team don't respect me. I'm cool with 2k The one thing that's gonna be cool about Madden, you know what? I'm tired of sitting in the fucking corner in 2k I'm tired of getting carried and called duty. I'm tired of being the last pick. All right Now we got Madden team up you cock suckers So if anybody wants to come get carried come over here I'll have the offensive defense strategized. We'll have practice every Wednesday night. I'm saying everything's gonna be tough Then you rest EA is gonna charge a hundred bucks to upgrade your guy to 85 You know what that means? I'm gonna have seven guys at 85 and all you broke fuckers are gonna have 76s I can't wait. I can't matter of fact the more pay to play they put in the game the better I am mr. Pay to play. That's me. Yes. I want to pay. Give me all these elites for a hundred. Yes. Yes That's me. That's me. Yes. Yes, seven different accounts seven different 85s Please don't ever come here good pay to play. Yes. Yes, sign me up for all the pay to play grown-ass man Playing video games. Yes, I will pay to play shit I was paying to play but it was my last to pay to play. Oh, I got a hundred dollars left over for the month Take this mutt's mutt 12 or mutt 13 Take this. I was counting my money Like what? Smartest thing I ever did was buy mutt cards instead of Jordan's bro. I'm not playing 2k. No Not playing 2k and we're not gonna cut Wesley No, I fsu. This is a passionate. This is a passionate program. All right fsu This is a passionate program if it's not built on passion. What's it build on bro? Real man will rather play against me exactly play against the computer for 10,000 hours No money spent But you spent 10,000 hours if you got paid $10 an hour that's a hundred G's Solos you're gonna be harder this year Can't wait to play solos Pay to play is the best thing ever pay to play is the best thing ever Bros, 2020 man. You guys need to see where where video games are bro. You need to see where video games are 2020 You know if you're a casual video game person, I mean God bless your heart Your your time is done. I'll be real your time is done your casual game. Seriously casual gaming bro It's the kiddie pool seriously No video games are so far away from casual shit right now. Like you are lost There's always a way but God blesses like Casual gaming is dead seriously the economy is so bad right now. Amen. Yes. I'm peach I'm pity Eddie Eddie's kind of any Eddie kind of went off lately I'm just being real like Casual gaming is dead it's dead like If the fact that you want to get on a game and compete with people that put their life into it like No, dude No, seriously casual gaming is dead You know what casual gaming is hopping on playing regs playing mad and playing ranked leaderboard on regs. That's casual gaming, bro It's not fun. Mad is not fun, dude. It's not It's not fun. I don't even know when it became like That's a good question. How does the game end? When we played football used to be like seven and every touchdown was one point, right? Every touchdown was one point, right? That's how we used to play one point first of seven all that shit, right? That's all right. It's not nobody in the street says oh six points. Let's get our extra point touchdown score is seven. No Both completions for first down little cock suckers used to run a little quick screen Tell me I run a little screen to get your completion snap throw. Oh first down Well, then when you need that that fourth and one completion. They need one completion. You got everybody presses up They won't run a little quick screen that little quick. No, yeah, that's not a little quick screen You'll get a catch and give them all refers down. It just honestly depends on how big the field is Shit like that really pay to play makes from competition go down 100% That's a lie. You know what? You know what pay to play does it weeds out the casuals That's what it does. Like you're not committed to this shit. Go kick rocks. Seriously And it's crazy about it is bro. Like I said, there's ways to do it Well, you can I never want to hear shit about pay. I don't want to hear the words pay to play our fucking bot This is from bots. It's from the heart and the pit of the belly of the bot Pay to play is from the belly of the bot and keep that shit out here, man Some people aren't that wealthy bro. Then go get a better fucking job or do something over then compete man And seriously, I'm sorry, bro. I'm done. I'm just done But it's making excuses for you guys that ass it doesn't cost a million dollars to play manning It doesn't it dead ass doesn't the belly of the bot The belly of the bot. That's where it comes from 50 bucks a week. You know, you put 50 bucks a week on your team and actually play the game Seriously, it's the belly of the bot bro. I'm telling you it's the belly of the bot. No major esport is like that You're right. You're right. Oh, you're right to call duty league, right? We play called duty all day called. How much time do you think they call duty league guys play? Seriously, how much time do you think they play? You think they show up for three hours a week? You know, I think they're pretty fucking committed to the game, right? And they always have been their whole life take I'm saying seriously It is their job And if you make mad in your job, right, you don't got to pay that much, right? Okay, and you can just come out. Yo, you don't have to spend shit on Madden. You guys just aren't good enough to win Sorry, you don't My buddy CC, right? My buddy CC good player. CC could probably mop 75 80% of the chat CC mobs easily. He's got no money spent. Go check out CC Go check his no money spent team Without spending shit Now you mean as a grown man that wants to compete you can't spend $20 a week on your team seriously No major e-sport is like that It's not it's either pay to play or play or grind seriously Jehovah a lot of people prioritize That's not true. It's hard enough to come up with a scheming lab But not to have to understand X factors chemistry by Darrell. This is all part of man Yeah, bro, you're just not that it Darrell, bro You're the belly of the bot bro. I'm be honest. You're the belly of the bot. You are the bot I'm be honest It you got to come up with a scheme. Yes, bro. That's part of being a pro man player Seriously, at some point you got to realize you don't have the cahoots. It's not for you partner. That's all If you want to get better bro, you got a grind you got you got it like I'm saying Seriously Hey, bro, like it's not for you that at some point you got to say that at some point you guys say damn Those guys that play Madden from living they're pretty committed bro. They're pretty good. You know, they're not me Let's talk about race with my man Darrell cuz we're gonna roll. We're gonna just kick this right into the prize pool Correct lab and scheming grinding is what makes man great. I agree Darrell But mutt makes it even mutt takes it to another level Competitive man. No, that's one thing that makes bro competitive. Yo, I see All right, I'm I seen ghost I seen ghost tween. I Hope my man ghost is in here, bro. I see I said goes what? Go said they use us to promote what how do they use ghost Madden to promote Madden like what are you kidding me? Who the fuck is that guy? Well anyway, let's get to the ratings. Let's talk about ratings Ratings don't matter. This is what ratings are. See this is what ratings are I will tell you guys what ratings are right now. They are is my team better than yours That's it. Did did my team get enough good players? Did my favorite player get a rating? That's all it is It's pretty much EA's ranking of the players. Seriously. That's all it is and that's why we go watch it That's why we go watch it honestly You're saying Abilities are cool There and people say I see a lot of people. Oh, nobody plays race Well, a lot of you plays raise if there's a tournament on it You're saying a lot of people play rags when there's a tournament on it You know I'm saying it just depends on what a tournament is and honestly, let's let's let's also not forget How many people play Madden that don't play mutt? Seriously, so ratings are kind of a big deal I mean for us hardcore guys that just played or that will play mutt and grime mutt It's really not as big a deal. But at the end of the day, there are a lot of people that play Madden That don't don't play mutt, you know, they just play rags Now what are the biggest ratings you guys saw? To me, I don't really stress over them honestly Yeah, ratings have Do have a big deal. I did did see Carson was is a 84 just like that press car I'll be real Carson need that 85 Dak needs that 84. I'll be honest. That's the only thing I saw They said Aaron Rodgers was 89. I don't know. It doesn't make me that mad really, you know Josh Jacobs over Aaron Jones This is literally 49er two weeks ago. Most are top five running back in the game, right? Who's the best running better game most winners or Kristen McCaffrey literally made a poll with McCaffrey? Seyquan and most are and said who's the best running back NFL like most of really had a chance then four days later Earl said um We don't need moster. He's really just a system running back. He's not that good It's really Shanahan that makes the place now most there has 95 speed on man. Oh most is the best ever That ass those are those are three different comments from Earl in two weeks. That ass I got us that make like no kick rocks, bro Kick rocks. I think they got a quarterbacks pretty good. I mean as far as ranking. I think the quarterback ranking is pretty solid I mean as far as like the overall the actual number, you know, I don't really matter that that's a big deal You know, but I do think The rankings like the top three are the top three quarterbacks in the league. I mean Russell Patrick and Lamar. I mean, who's really arguing those three quarterbacks, you know No, Earl, you said we can replace him. It doesn't matter. That's literally what you said. It's Shanahan's offense It's not most it you know I said, uh It's pretty much all the ratings that I've seen that really matter. Honestly, Brady was a 90 Is Brady over a rod right now question chat chat talk to me chat Brady or a rod. Who are you taking? I? Do think Roger's over breeze right now. I agree with that user god breeze is just as kind of washes right breeze Is going down the same hill as Rogers and a and Brady honestly Yeah, yeah breeze is not breeze is not over a rod or Brady honestly Breeze not over a rod a rod over breeze dude Rogers is going downhill for sure Well, you don't think Roger's going downhill. Yeah, I don't know what's up And why y'all must not watch and Rogers for the last 10 years Brady should be lower than Jimmy G. I'm done Breeze was not great, bro Jimmy G is over Brady. I'm done. I'm done. I have no idea Honestly, I don't I don't pay attention to ratings at all at all when they drop like that when they drop the abilities That's one. That's one. It's gonna be lit. Honestly My man right there Kyler Murray's overall three. Yeah, that's point of a hobby We look at overalls, but you know, like I said with the throw power stuff like that I mean almost means more than it always means more the overalls just a fancy number speaking overall Did we see the chain that he did the second Did you guys see the chain that that EA is giving on Patrick Holmes? Did we see that? Did anybody see that? Did anybody see the chain that EA is give away? Let me say Did everybody see the chain? Let me see if it's is it on Madden's Twitter? They really flaunted this shit like they would they had something pop whereas The 99 club chat. Oh Damn, they don't got it for me. Damn. Oh, here go. Damn. It is on Madden's The swag. Do you guys see this man? The 99 chain The 99 chain look at that. Okay. Got the bottom. I'll be honest the box is kind of cool, right chat I don't know what the hell they I would do with it, but I would like the box the box thing W I'll give him that that shit's pretty cool, right? Box is pretty cool Right, it opens up. We got this nice little cool thing Blase blah, then they go to my man Jason of Beverly Hills I googled Jason of Beverly Hills this where like the I guess he's a poppin jeweler, right? But then they got the 99 chain Now let's let's give me an honest assessment of how much this thing costs. I really don't know jewelry. I Would assume I mean if you're EA and you're giving this to the best players in the world, right? This would be you know some 24 karat gold Bunch of diamonds, you know, bunch of different carrots of diamonds, right? It's no way. This is fake This is one million, but you don't you don't give You do you guys think this is small is this small? I would assume this is like the head of a watch Am I tripping? Am I tripping when I say this is the face of a watch? Is that and is that the smaller than I think? You know, I don't I It's way more than a thousand dollars, dude Come on man check. Can we can we be serious? $5,000 50k Yeah, 10 k to 25 k something like that 35 k All right, do you think like for this whole box? I don't even know what this box is Can we say 50 k for a total? I don't know if this costume This might only cost a hundred bucks to make this box, but let's say 50 k I honestly feel like I feel like this is like the head of the face of a watch is that to my Honestly, it's not that gaudy. It's not I guess it's kind of gaudy, but it's kind of nice I mean 99 shit is kind of corny. This is how I always feel. This is how I felt about it, right? Like this is something that if I was an NFL player and I got 99 mad I would want to hang up like in my basement, right? Like this is in my man cave for the rest of my life I was once a 99 on Madden because you figure my home is probably gonna have hella jerseys and footballs Trophies and Lombardi trophies. Whatever. He's gonna have hella shit in his basement, right? I would give him something that would hang up next to all that stuff and maybe this chain could maybe he'll hang this on like You know where the hell he is and put it in a frame or something, but uh Yeah, this shit is kind of corny. I Don't know You know, that's all but that's what they gave that is what they gave the What is it four players? four players that have four players that have um The 99 overall rating now honestly for me Michael Thomas's ass I Did see a picture of Michael Thomas with that chain was I tripping? Is that what we're talking about like he already had that? Yeah, I don't know how Michael Thomas one Yeah, Michael Thomas is abroad You ever heard the term broad reused that's Michael Thomas one million percent Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what they could give away, but in the day that shit was kind of corny That's all that's how I feel if I got the 99 chain, maybe I'd like it more But it looked kind of corny to me. I don't know if you guys liked that thing or thought it was poppin Mike Thomas is abroad and he can be tough all he wants. He's abroad, you know, but for me um Anyway, so they gave 50k away. So let's say they give away $200,000. Let's just go ahead and say they give away a quarter million dollars Let's talk about this prize pool fancy my guy with the tier one. There he is the fancy man Let's talk about this prize pool, right? Okay, this is something I'm passionate about this is something I feel I've asked for more money Uh, how many times on this thing how many times have we talked about money on this podcast? How many times have we talked about? Expanding the prize pool of Madden. Well, I feel like it's it's been over 25 30 times in these 89 episodes that we have talked about The prize pool of Madden, right? But this is the problem This is the problem. This is where in lies the problem when you Rely on someone else to tell much how tell them how much money you can make right as a competitive Madden player You are at the mercy of EA to say this is how much money you're able to win this year, right? There's week the one thing about Madden That makes it hard to be a man player. There's only three or four tournaments a year that make any money, right? There's not a tournament every other weekend for 5k a tournament every other weekend for 10k You're pretty much locked into the EA tournaments, right? They kind of monopolize the entire The entire tournament market in Madden 100% they probably monopolize that so it's hard To make a career off winning tournaments when there's only three three or four really there's three Because if you don't do good in those three, you don't make it to the four So for a whole year, there's three tournaments, you know, maybe you can't go to one Boom now there's two and pretty much if you can't go to one you're pretty much shit out of luck to get to the last one so essentially The essentially there's not a lot of tournaments So one there's not a lot of tournaments and two you're literally relying on a company to tell you how much money You can make now. I saw ghost tweet ghost Madden Front of mind. I think ghost Madden is really good at Madden. I really do I've always thought ghost was pretty good every time I played him whether it was a mess around game a ladder game I've always thought ghost was pretty good like one of the top 20 players in Madden, right? One right he began popped right Began pop Another thing and we had this notion that competitive man promotes Mud it promotes mud like they use competitive players to promote mud And and to me I feel I still feel like man and players are super replaceable, right? This is this is kind of how working works, right? This is pretty much how work how How the whole world works, right? You go to work You'll learn a skill you become valuable to a company, right and When you become valuable to a company there in lives the term when you can turn around and say I want more money I think the value of man and players is so low That it really doesn't matter what the hell we want EA could come out tomorrow and say, you know what the prize pool is 500k this year All the same 200 assholes are going to play the game the same way There's not a soul that's going to say, you know what? I'm not playing Madden this year. You know what? I'm not playing in EA tournaments. There's not So for me, we literally have no leverage at all to tell them to give us more money Because if you're EA, why would you give us? Why would you say, you know what the prize pool is 5 million? You know They don't need any one man and player and I realized this because check Who's the biggest competitive man player in the world the most popular competitive man player in the world that we all know why? Problem is the biggest competitive man play. He's the biggest personality He's the most recognizable personality in the world He has not played in a live event in two years Myself included we both have not played in an EA live event in two years, right? Do you guys think it has suffered? Because problem hasn't played in it, right and this is why I realized like this the show still going on, you know and I just feel like I Feel like the in one thing and it and I'll tell you this and We say why doesn't EA promote players or really build up these man players more? You know and really get them super popping part of the reason man They don't ever want a player to be bigger than mad, you know And at the same time when we say this chat But I played like well, let me tell you something and this year at least your ratings were bad So if this year's ratings were bad, so why the hell can we turn around and say we want more money? You know at the end of the day if if you're a competitive player and you and listen You just want you're literally at the mercy of somebody telling you how what you can make You know when It's nuts. I honestly just I just don't feel I just don't feel man and players had the leverage to say we want more money Of course, of course. Yes. I love five million prize pool No one is you know how you make someone bigger man You you first of all the youtubers do way more to promote men than competitive players The youtuber when you look at man when man when man sits down say, man, who's more important? To promoting madden is it ghost madden? Is it kiv? Is it draining? Are they more important to promote mad than the people that make videos every single day? Seriously like what's more important, you know like what's more important? It is one million percent the people that make videos every day because if you're the best man in play Skimbo had a run between man 17 man 18 was at every live event go into every finals, right? He's the best man and player at every event, which is impossible. It's literally impossible to think that I'm gonna make every event and make a final for one at every event It's impossible to think that but even if you do that skimbo is on the camera for 7 to 10 games of Madden per year He's on the camera You know And there lies. How can I maximize those seven to ten games, right? You know saying how can I maximize those seven to ten games and Promote it and get the viewership that it's desired and that's the age up and it's tough to do really So so I really feel like the competitive players really have no leverage when we go out here and say we want more money You know saying I Feel like there's zero because at the end of the day here goes the leverage chat the leverages could the top Could the top 20 most recognizable names literally not play Madden this year Pretty much go on strike from competitive Madden Could they do that and say you know what we want more money to play in these tournaments Would it affect the tournament and if you say oh it wouldn't affect the tournament then there there's your answer They don't had a leverage to ask for any more money. You know, I don't know. I don't know why the ratings are down I don't know why any of that happens I honestly I feel like It would be next man up. That's pretty much how I feel This is how I feel man I agree ratings were down But man 20 probably has the most viewership of any man in combined like any man ever This is probably the most viewed man in from a twitch and a YouTube standpoint is the most viewed I guarantee there's not a more man that has more views than Madden than a man 20 So as far as like watching Madden 20 people are watching this shit out of man 20. Are they not watching competitive? What where's the disconnect honestly? So people say oh the ratings were down ratings for man 20 or through the roof. They're through the roof You know and and that's the thing we do talk about let listen. No EA has bro EA is First of all, they've cut the the whole budget of like I said 17 and 18 we were at the Super Bowl. We're at the Pro Bowl. We were at locations. We're it was awesome and One thing I am blessed to be able to actually be good in those Madden's and have those experiences because right now it sucks It sucks like as much like I'd be honest with MCS the last two years as this shit's going downhill Like it really compared to 17 and 18 even 18 will ultimately even though pre-recorded was the worst thing ever But the whole format 18 actually going places and having events was way better than it is now So they've cut the actual budget in in half. They have wrote X amount of sponsors. Honestly They're making probably more money from competitive men than ever. I really don't know um, I Really don't know exactly um all the details how much money making everything in that but I know that it's not Half the experience it was in 17 and 18 It's not half the experience not that I've had the experience But I just you know from going to the events and watching them as a cheerleader It's not have it's not half the it's not a quarter of the experience 17 and 18 were so they definitely You know, I will always ask for more money. What the Oliver twist do this is this house See this is I see competitive man players fixed of money prior Oliver twist. Please sir May I have some more that's not please sir might have some more may I have some more? You know, yeah, they pay too many people they do One million percent and us need to stop fucking saying we made a live event We made the top 161 28 people of a tournament that needs to fucking stop If you know a winning a club is maybe a live event I'll give winning a club is a live event tired of shit. I got Earl coming in my chest I made five live events. No motherfucker. You were 186 in a tournament You know saying settle down bucko 168 in the tournament. I made a lot. No, that was no live event dude. No, we got a dead that then that starts here That starts here No, we're not showing no footage. There's a Earl, bro. We can't make fun of her No more he's off limits and making fun of them, bro Some people you can't make fun of honestly nah nah Today, you got you never you ever learn those kids in school You can't like really like bully you can't really make fun of because they take it too personal and you know Especially kids bro kids start crying and shit. They fuck up the vibes. They tell the teacher and stuff Yeah, like you can't mess. Yeah, I made a love and nah, bro nah Royce freeman should host their own small tournament. I agree. I'm trying my best to make events I mean and my biggest thing is this what I said, bro If I had the money, it's giving me a million dollars to give out my events would be popping Like I said at the end of the day the biggest thing we can ask for is the payout stop paying now This I feel paying all these people makes it kind of cool for the you know the 138th person to play in the tournament Makes it cool, right? It makes it cool like now little Timmy can play in the tournament get a little check from EA It's pretty cool so Are we gonna just get rid of that like cuz I think the more people you have competing that ultimately the better the sport is But I think if he got $500 you'd just be as happy as he was getting $200, you know I think the little Timmy chest can be cut in a quarter I think it's good that little Timmy makes a little bit of money But um, I think it could be cut into a quarter of that, you know You think how much that's what they say they make money from mutt. They make money from this They make money from that man I Let's let's keep let's keep it like this like bro If they if they got rid if they got rid of the MCS would they be hurting? Seriously if mad if if EA's if EA's executive came in tomorrow So you know what I don't want to do MCS anymore. Do you think Madden would be hurting seriously? Do you think they would stop making money? Yes, boys, I think I think they say yo you can make hop top 128 and you may 1500 I think it definitely I think it definitely makes people say, okay. I got a chance. I don't know They missed that sponsorship money they could spot. Yo have y'all noticed that solos are now I only noticed because I go try to get my YouTube's Thumbnails from the solos solos are in Pizza Hut stadium So instead of marketing, you know, we're gonna put your pizza or stadium in MCS I'm gonna put your pizza at stadium on every mutt game every mutt game You're gonna get your Pizza Hut logo, you know seriously They're sponsored they could sell instead of selling honestly instead of selling the Excuse me Instead of saying selling the MCS viewership they could sell every youtuber viewership in the world and say listen You know, they're making videos on Madden look look MMG is making videos on Madden He's getting X amount of views throne is making videos on man Listen, if you put your logo on this on the field, you'll get all these views for your your company You know, I honestly feel like Madden could flip their numbers and viewership to a sponsor and say boom You can indirectly be on throne's video But only pay us Honestly feel like they could do that You know, I don't think MCS players have no leverage none whatsoever. None literally none You're right Earl. If you didn't show up, bro If you didn't show up to the Niners Club series, nobody would watch Nobody will watch bro. I learned it. I learned it man. When problem didn't make when problem didn't make anything I'm saying I honestly feel like That's that's pretty much the idea if if the CEO of EA said, you know what? I don't want to do comparative Madden. I want to save my million and I want to send chains to every player NFL to promote Madden a little bit more You know, I want to do that instead. I Don't think it would hurt them at all to get rid of MCS. In fact, there's probably people arguing in the building Please keep them CS met Mark Cooper argues that they know we can do MCS We go with you saying keep this keep this as good as good as good because I guarantee There's people in that building that say the MCS is a fucking waste of money and honestly probably more people than less Tell tell they see you all the time. Look at this MCS shit It's probably a waste of money and we're all sitting here. Give us more money Seriously MCS should be for average Joe's I agree, bro No, so when you really think about it like and I I Feel like we're listening and I feel like if you're smart Listen when when you're a competitor, you're at the mercy of EA is somebody that you know essentially tells you what you can make me I'm like, no, you're you're not gonna tell me what I can make I'm gonna do my best to maximize the platform that you have given me by throwing these tournaments. Are you saying? No, I was gonna say the dumbest shit ever. No, he's not gonna go from from crying about getting made fun of the being on the Mic, that's not happening. That's not how it works, bro. No It's not it's not it's not happening. That's dead. That's dead You're not gonna cry and say the bandit community is faking bye-bye. Bye. Now. I want to be on a mic No, he can type it he can type it if he wants to start a bag you can type it Nope, it's not happening. I will shut the show off right now. It's literally not happening. It's not happening You're not wasting you're not wasting 20 minutes of my life. No, it's not happening It's not happening. It's literally not happening literally will clear the whole chat. It's not happening Oh, do that second chances with that everything squash, but it on wow No, no, no, no, there is no time limit. No if he wants that bad He listen if you want he could type one sentence that makes me say hmm. I want to talk about that hmm How many gift if we're on a mic a hundred a hundred if you guys put a hundred gifted together Well, we're looking at on a mic a hundred. I've been happy in my life since I stopped copying mad Joker game over. I thank you for joining the chat, bro. I'm glad you're there. It is You know the plebs are really about to be gone. I want to be competitive, but I hate my no, that's your first problem That's like saying that's like saying No, never mind. I can't go that far. I'm chillin I'm chillin ggs. I said a hundred. I Said a hundred bro. I said I need I need a one sentence for me to be like hmm. That's intriguing You're saying K. Dizzle. What's up, man? Yeah, it's like, yo, I Love soccer, but I hate running. So that's why I'm gonna play Like what and whatever he does better have good punctuation. I don't got time to read or run on sentence All right, so that number I see though, that's what I mean. Hey, I should say he don't really want to talk. That's it Say no more My man, real with that yet these Joe sis. What's up, man? So honestly, we all want more money, man, but Listen, you gotta do the ratings on the wall boys We talk about man 17 MCS was awesome man 18 was good other than the ultimate league and the pre-recorded shit, right? It was a good it was a good experience We flew out. I went to the poble. I went to Minnesota. I went to LA and man 18 was awesome Right from there. They have just continually drained the the funding out of the entire MCS So if that doesn't tell you not that it's on his last leg But man, they're trying to make this shit not cost them so much the last two years I don't know what what what what more writing do you want on the wall? You know and I feel like we'll never have leverage as players because first of all If we're not willing to not play for a year, then how can we ask for shit? Really There are other analysts from and there are other outlets honestly the biggest thing this need more tournaments really whether that's EA ones or public ones or private tournaments or side They need needs to be more shit. Now obviously the Friday night football That's a good plus because you got a thousand dollars to win every week That gives a pro man and player a good chance, you know Needs more stuff like that the more stuff like that the more little pots you can dip your hand in from being good at the game I honestly, yeah, that's pretty much what the biggest cause you're not just gonna say Oh, yeah, let's just I want to win, you know 250 K for winning first place That that's not gonna happen another year or two, you know There's Friday night Friday have permission from EA. I would probably say I don't think you need permission for that mutthead needs to take over Now Cody Rackers in my head does have good ideas and he is really committed to competitive man He really loves it. So I mean, I don't know if that's something he would ever want to do I don't know if he'd be good at that cuz I think I think that head MCS guys a lot of political things a lot of like, you know Meetings and not so much madden ideas But just pretty much talking to the to the higher ups at EA and selling them on this and that ends talking to the sponsors on them on this and that so No, I asked murder not playing this year Madden needs to be more like poker Interesting take interesting take ESPN will need e-sports of sports here now show time you say that and the Madden Manbow was during the quarantine. So do you think that affected it now? I honestly feel like the the production of the EA event was amazing I'll be honest. I feel like all the production is as good as it can get I don't think the production level since the MCF started could get any better, right? Now when you say evil, I'm assuming evil is evil a like one of those dream hack one of those convention center things I don't think that I don't know so and honestly every event I've been to with Madden at one of those especially dream hack dream hack is the biggest thing first It's not dead, but bro like what do you think this is? Like what do you think you can come here just hop on the show and talk like Who the fuck are you? I don't know. I'm not a rating person. I don't know. That's their job, you know Yes, but a lot of times especially dream hack Madden They put it in the corner and just the man people be it, you know Honestly, the best man has ever done for me Is the in man 17 when it was around football fans whether at the Pro Bowl or at the Super Bowl I feel like that's the best it's ever done. I think it's it's been better at that type of venue than at a Video game convention because I'll be real video gamers are fucking nerds the fighting game community. Oh my god nerds Like we don't know the fighting game community might be bigger nerds than like the League of Legends guys seriously Seriously, I mean the fighting game community never ever played a sport never played a sport ever You know the fighting game community. No, you put me in a room with the fighting game community I'm mopping up at least 10 of them mopping up royal rumble style Yo, the fighting game community never went outside You play Tekken, you know, you never went outside. I'm mopping 10 of those dudes without a doubt So those dudes aren't the ones that are gonna go watch football, right? They don't even know first down first in 10 Seriously, so and then then we go with it now. Maybe you can get a first-person shooter now the first-person shooter What are we talking maybe 10% of them play sports? Seriously, what what do we think chat? So the 15% alright, so maybe you got a chance with the first bird What would the shooter player the FSP did anybody say FPS player FPS player? I don't know. Maybe you got a chance with my man Kyle in the chat man There he is man Kyle with five months. Thanks, buddy Counter-strike your counter-strike them dudes can't rumble anyway. They're not they're not uh And Yoda my guys listen, let me tell you something You don't get put in any situation unless you already know you can get through it. Seriously You feel me The NFL is not in the no damn the NFL is more in the fucking fortnight and things that make money honestly The NFL is a Schmidtie my guy the NFL is more. I mean we not because we not yelling, bro What do you think Robert Kraft is invested? You ever read about Robert Kraft invested into eSports? He's not invested into that MCS, bro I'm playing right now chef. I'm searching bro Ryan I said they should cut the bottom had the bottom tier players to 25% of what they pay them now Now Yoda for real man. Listen no Nobody had a stroke or nobody died because they had a bad day You feel me no matter what happens, bro, as long as you're healthy you good I feel like that The pods are on YouTube was center you can check them all out. I'll probably upload this one tomorrow I have a 24-hour rule on Twitch because this is Twitch content. I am a partner. I cannot upload it until 24 hours past So this will be on YouTube tomorrow, you know, I don't know what that clip is a Madden League What are they started manly that corresponds with the NFL? That's a CFM I've always thought that CFMs are hard to follow that That CFMs are at leagues in general, I don't think Madden's really a league thing Maybe it could be, you know, I It would have to be done like super locked in. I don't know. Do you guys think that could work like a CFM? I don't know. I think the best way to do us to say you did a CFM What I would do is probably started like week 10 of the NFL Kind of coincide with the NFL to get people kind of watching it So maybe they catch it, you know, and you know the halftime of 100 NFL games They catch a commercial during the NFL game week 10, right week 11 now They're during week two of the CFM. So by the time the CFM is in week 10 There you see the NFL Super Bowl then when the Super Bowl dies, damn We're in week 12 of this Madden CFM That's kind of pop and maybe let me follow along get into the playoffs then kind of hook them that way, you know There's two different ways to do Madden viewership and like NFL viewership is one You do it in the middle of the season when the NFL is popping, you know And that's a good idea because everybody's watching NFL, but at the same time everybody's watching NFL Maybe not necessarily Madden boom then the genius idea. Let's do it when there's no football in the middle of the summer You know, there's no football as soon as it ends. Let's play Madden But now most people that watch football are kind of already committed to the fact that they're not gonna get any football After the season's over. So I think a overlap of during the season and after the season would be great MCS reg style there there has been a regs tournament every single torn every single MCS pretty much well man 18 19 and 20 so Possible the day the day I'm dumb is the day I retire from everything gold rush, but why would they do that? Let me ask you this pitch me chat you guys a pit why if I'm EA, right? I'm EA dub that EA. Why would I invest 15 million dollars into the MCS? Why? Seriously, why? Because here's here's the easy answer because you want to be a part of the booming e-sports business, right? You want to be a part of the booming e-sports business. Tell me that e-sports is booming. You want to be a part of it There is no return on investment for EA for any for an honestly e-sports. Whoa Overwatch, let me tell you so I don't know if you guys ever watch overwatch Overwatch is one of one it was one of the biggest e-sports and these dudes have leagues and these dudes I remember Philly when a nursery would do tons of overwatch shit like these meet parties So this overwatch team would come come to Philly and just meet Thousands of fans, but how does this overwatch team had this many fans, right? Now the shit is dead though Overwatch had its run, but it's dead now. So all these people that invested in this league It's just cooked now, you know I'm saying and it was the biggest e-sport for like two years there He's not the biggest because you always have the nerd games, but overwatch was super poppin You know I'm saying but but why would 15 million price will bring 50,000 more people? Is there somebody this is my question is there somebody out there that that wasn't playing for one million? But now they're gonna play for 15 million. Is there somebody that says oh shit 15 million. Let me try I don't think there's there's 50,000 people that do that. I really don't I really don't oh Let me try now You know, I think it would make a bigger story I mean the biggest thing you can go so it would make a bigger story for who won like let's be real The story of joke winning was meant listen What you have that you have to get a story that reaches people that don't be in gaming, right? That's the biggest key you have to reach people that don't give a shit about gaming Joke winning the biggest story to reach people out. He won with a punter a quarterback. That's the biggest story Like no matter what like in 10 years We're gonna look back at man 20 to say the punter was the quarterback That's what it's gonna be we look back at man away spec catch man on nine was curls Like that's what you look back. We'll look back at man 20 said. Oh, that was 10 cap quarterback That's what it's gonna be It's gonna be 10. It's gonna be the punter was quarterback, right? So the the I feel like the only advantage if you put 15 million prize pool, right and The winner of the man bowl wins a million dollars the biggest Asset that you would have is that storyline they could promote after the fact I think that's the biggest asset they would have You know This kid so I said kid wins a million dollars from one Madden game You know I'm saying I think that's the biggest asset they have I don't think they can go out there and say Let me give them 15 million Boom because then you know more people will play You know, I think that's what I think they would try to commit. They would try to compete Let's be real and all these new people that would cook that would compete for 15 million Would get their face blasted off and quit in the first week. I'm being honest Yeah, it's great at marketing. They sure are a gold rush. I don't know where you're at on that Yeah, they would get blasted They would all get blasted and quit the first week. Oh, you know where I'm winning this They go five and five on the leaderboards are three and eight anybody. I'm out Too many buttons. I oh, it's pay to play. Oh, you mean I gotta pay a hundred dollars. I'm out I'm out Like You're if you're if you're making if you're making a video game and someone comes you to you Let's give them more money and we can make more people play That's my pitch on my video game Let's give them more money. Let's pretty much pay them to play our game, right? Is that that's not what you're saying, right? Let's let's offer them more money. So hopefully more people play Hopefully more people play you can't you can't do that. That is just not like that dude We get laughed out of the meeting Seriously, maybe more people will play if we give them more money. That's that would never work ever work You know What they have to do literally what they have to do is boom Ex of X amount of people played this year, right now. Let's take it now Let's say there and just what people they're a billion dollar company They're a billion dollar company for a reason and one of the reasons they're a billion dollar company It's cuz they're not giving out money hoping more people play That's some shit. I would do that's some shit. I do let me do my tournament Let me try to put a bigger prize pull out of my pocket to make sure more people play seriously Yeah, he's not doing that T. L's as much as you can bro. No, I Would not test my skills in warzone. I Would never I would never like OD OD lock-in on a team game, I think I don't know if I could I Don't want to fight my team. I'd have to have teammates that like think just like me and we'd be on the same page I ain't no way ain't no way. I'm here But honestly, all the only thing they could do right is Okay, let's take our data from all the players that played because this is what I was told right when we heard We can league was a little qualifying mode. We all said that shit's stupid, right? This dead ass. This is what we heard Let's start this seriously We all said We can leave being a qualifying mode is stupid. We said that because one it's all pro It's where our bots play you're playing against bombs. It's not the same as a leaderboard, right? We all said that and you know what I was told is like listen This is what literally eye-to-eye. Yeah, they said listen because we're allowing we can league players to play It shows that our MCS has generated that many more players to play in the MCS Literally what we were told was that allowing we can league to be a qualifying mode Will help boost the amount of players that MCS makes play now the M Because of the MCS X amount of players played and now because of the MCS You know this player that's going 25 and 0 spent 2,500 on his team that money can now be allocated to the MCS Prophets so literally every single person that has played weekend league Which is all 400 people in his chat have played weekend league, right? So all the money you have spent on a game is now MCS profit, right So I mean how much more money can how many more times can they can they go out there and say bro We're gonna get more people to play how much more people are there to play honestly So literally everybody that's played weekend league technically has played in the MCS So what they can do now is say look, okay We gave out what they give out 1.2 million dollars this year or something like that, right now Let's boost it to 2 million and let's count how many more people we have played this year as opposed to next year Then a year from now they can take that data that increase Excuse me and then project it to your 15 million a dollar point and see if it would make a difference to have that many players really You know There's a lot of kids that would play man if they knew they could make a lot of money. I Just I'd 1 million percent don't believe that and then look at this Y'all the same people that said we don't want to pay the people that make 120 So we don't want to pay the people that make 128th, but we want more people playing MCS So we want to offer them more money, but we don't want to pay the guys that make 128 Yo, I swear to God Earl listen Earl's done. He's typed. He's literally typed 15 things in chat when he could have been one paragraph You know, it just doesn't make sense You know, so we just want to do that. Let's just pay everybody. You're right. Let's just pay everybody, bro Let's pay everybody Without MCS Madden is a dead game. Are you fucking kidding me? Without you kidding me, but the MCS Madden is dead Bro, that's the worst thing ever man Bro, honestly, well, I want to tell you the solution. Let me tell you I Don't know this The toughest solution. I'll tell you this and MCS event hear me on this chat The biggest solution for MCS tell you right now They need The needed invitational format, bro. That's what they need They need to pick they need to say forget honestly They need to forget about all the ghost man's in the world. Listen, you know, the man You know the competitive people they can bring out there. They can briskimbo problem give journey I honestly don't even know if in joke. Give me those five people. Who else is really that? Really this and then the rest MMG TD Barrett throne Who the hell else they put I'm having a joint people that people want to watch, right? But outside it like MCS dudes outside of those five people You know I'm saying who else are they putting in there from from competitive players like seriously There's great players of men that really people aren't gonna show up and watch blocky They want to put people show up and watch blocky. I think blocky is really good I think he's amazing, but nobody's fucking tuning in to watch blocky like let's be real It's my guy. I love him, but nobody's tuning in to say when does blocky play seriously and that's and honestly That's 90% of the people from that ghost madden same thing. I told y'all I think ghost madden is great I think he's a great man player, bro. Nobody's tuning in to watch fucking ghosts. I'm just being honest That's what I mean No, that and dark avenger. That's their own marketing issue. That's their own marketing issue period No, and you even pavin pavin's a dog. He's just starting his career in madden, right? But bro If you if you get all the youtubers put them in a tournament Bro, this shit would pop way more. It would pop so much more Now this is the problem. Here goes the problem. Do you think you're getting MMG to fly out and play madden for free? It's token of now. Somebody's got hope included with the coin sponsorship They're not gonna work with EA, but are you getting talk to come out and fly play madden for free? It's not compete. I'm not saying compete. I'm saying go to a fucking tournament Literally get invited and say you're in the tournament just like I did like here You'll throw in and fucking in maze and CC. Listen, just come out here and play. Let's put on an event. Seriously It would be way better Yeah, they get paid from coin sponsorships Yes But not if they play each other. They're not gonna get embarrassed, bro Yes, obviously if kid plays TD Barrett TD Barrett would get embarrassed But everybody expect that anyway, but people would still watch it and you go from getting what? Like you get go from getting 10k now you have 50k just off the shrimp you have them do is 1,000,000 percent And as much as they pay bro, bro Listen, I make that shit pop. Listen, I'm telling you watch watch watch watch Bro, is it MVP you see me. It's right here. It's in my eyes. It's bad Hey, don't know. That's a great point. May I go back to whatever they were doing in man 17? MCS Pro M Definitely to move bro, bro the poison ivory tree got me, bro. Ain't that bad though? It's rough share Dave Grunfeld Squads would be great if it was a good game. Oh, if it was a good game squads now was ass When I got to go back to that. Well, let's see what the six on six got for us really It would have to be it had to be really good You know the game would have to be a More realistic more realistic Six on six could pop though They get it sell to MCS competitors. Yeah, and Shen But I could do so much more shit, but this isn't the more power they give the MCS players The more they they the more leverage they have and right now them. I feel like MCS players don't have any leverage at all Yo, seriously imagine. All right, we talk about quick quavo. Who else was in DJ Khaled, right? Bro, if they took that money, right, how much y'all think they paid DJ Khaled's that ass Gotta be at least a hundred G's. No, I don't know maybe 50 G's Seriously little yachty. What would they pay them? So you mean they couldn't they couldn't pay MMG that shit All right, kid here goes the ultimate question give will you sit out a whole year of playing competitive Madden? I don't think y'all have no man. Like I said problem didn't make the events them John still went on If you if you're not gonna say it's like let's sit out then then you don't have then that's it There's really not that much leverage if you think I know that as if if if you think sitting out a year of man Then I mean then I then then show me you feel like you have leverage, bro My man Rick believe my guy with the tier one. That's my point kid But you know what I mean? That's what I just said early before you got here Bro, if 20 people would not play right? What do you think it would affect it? Like you took the top set put it like this If you took everybody that's ever been at like a top eight of a live event never play it again Like never played or took out a whole season. Would it affect it that bad? See kid thinks it would affect it. I honestly feel like it wouldn't. Oh, honestly Why would why would they care about the competitive side that then that's what I keep telling y'all the This is the answer they want you want to get a part of the esports The esports The popping esports environment that we're in right esports is booming So EA wants to take their game and get a popping aspect of it But ultimately they need I don't think the format is terrible, but they need the perfect format for that I don't think uh Okay, I don't think I don't think there's no pull, but I think It's just not worth it really I don't know. Okay. I don't know what the viewership is different. I don't know I really don't because it's been weird for me because sometimes bro Sometimes they should be having like 100k in that bitch in twitch And as most of the time it has like 10 10 to 20 right Gb why matt what other game does EA had that can be competitive the sports games and what they have now apex What's that even don't tell me star wars. What's the other EA games? seriously Other than sports games, what's the other EA games? FIFA That's like tenders. That's how I feel if problem isn't making a difference. They know by making a difference Okay, metro, but what's going to convince those guys to hold out? Why would they hold out none of those guys wouldn't hold out? That's my point You wouldn't watch if golden lover was the number one seed I don't know. I don't know and and this what happens when you when you rely on someone to tell you This is how much you can make Bro manning is popping Like seriously manning is super popping right now dude Kevin would be different But this is what I'm saying you would have to do that It would have it wouldn't have to just be mad. It wouldn't have to just be problem Or it wouldn't have to be five people. It would have to literally be 20 30 people And it's easy for me to do Because I'm making more money without the tournament like it's oh, I Yeah, I haven't made a tournament in two years Yeah, good. I don't give a shit But there's people like y'all that they don't have the other money You know I'm saying it's only tournaments. Would they give it all up over effects, bro You know why the madden ratings what a mad ratings are a once-in-a-time thing. I actually wrote an article one time at um Now I'll tell you I wrote an article going into mad in 19 about um About the ratings for some eagles website like the eagles insider So I wrote an article about the rating people want to know about the ratings because I got told you earlier in his stream It's pretty much just comparing your teams to others And I wrote an article and casual football fans like the ratings because it's just like a a list people love lists Let's be real. That's pretty much what what it is Pride the payout is the payout is the problem Now Right doesn't pay all year. It's a 95 rating. But what I'm playing right now. I'm searching bro Yeah, the rating is just a talking a talking product just like just like I told you just like a pun or a quarterback Was a talking point really? Johnny shut up Visionaries funny. You asked it. Do you see any profits? The players get paid to be a coach That's how they get a flat rate to be a coach. That's it Whether now do you think kiv kiv car get bought more than than who else than kurtoban card? Probably kiv probably gets more than most people. I'm saying but he doesn't make any more money You know Yeah, greg olson actually commented when I beat skimbo. He was the man. Who said mr. Dub dot who said that? My bad, I miss you. I miss your question Who said that? You lied. Nobody said that Streaming it streaming is a skill streaming as a talent streaming as a job Some people aren't good at you know, so I as much as I want to say bro is y'all fault for not making a Earl that's their problem, bro. I'll be honest. I'm done like seriously If listen if you if y'all don't know what you're getting into by just being a competitive man player and not doing Shit else to make money I don't feel bad for a grown man about that. I really don't Seriously, I really don't Because I I wasn't good enough to do this shit. I ain't stupid That's right. Well, you're d. Yeah, and if you rely on madden, bro, like honestly, I God bless you or a journey. Shut up. I fucking journey Or you can go to journey, bro. Journey got a whole company that pays the salary So he can do whatever the hell he wants. There's a journey put out youtube video I don't need to today Yeah, my eyes. I got a little poison. I'll be right here. Thanks for telling me avenger I'm pretty sure that you know, you can go that way Making a living at madden is the worst plan in a pro athlete music star or program. I disagree RC I disagree for First of all madden is nothing like being an athlete athlete. You have to go to the gym You have to train every single day. I guess you do for man everything But one you have to be physically gifted the lord has to bless you with some type of athleticism Madden not so much You know, bro, they need an invitational tournament With youtubers. That's what they need to make the mcs pop Or that worst thing is they need to get them They need to pay to get a youtuber to promote it a youtuber to a youtuber to commentate it, you know As much as bro as much as mo and skimbo are the best commentators there are Bro, you have to branch out to the youtube community for the views you have to it is the key to the views in madden See who's in here? I 1 million percent I would go all in I I would pay the dudes honestly. That's what I would do Yes, youtube is 1 million percent the move to help promote, you know, you know and a lot of the youtubers I mean, obviously my friends toke and skombo and cc on them, bro. They said, you know, yeah, he isn't supporting us We're gonna go support coin buying God bless him. Yeah, the youtubers are bro Was crazy youtubers know how to get the views. That's their job is to get viewership, you know So if you can't see that and say bro, that's my target or that's the guys I need on my team You know fuck send him fuck sending Patrick my home's a diamond necklace, bro Cater to the guys that's getting these hundred k views per Poor per video They should be the guys you're kneeling at the feet of help me help me make mcs pop Not send the necklaces the nfl players Yo, let's do a tournament with hollywood brown and such and such bro. Get the hell out of here Them that's all I'm saying bro. They gotta be hip to that But they alienate these guys because honestly the youtubers get expensive because when you're that pop and you're expensive You're are you're not you know, he was a hand All that stuff cost money to have those dudes promoting everything like that, you know I feel like youtube is always the key for to get mad and viewership really MMG fan base is all under 13. Yeah, let me let me let me news flash you real quick Do you know what the percentage of gaming viewers that are under 13 is? And they do tifu bro tifu is not the key to much bro You got to get the people that already have this huge madden following Like the madden following is out there But they have alienated these guys so much that they went to queen sellers Now the shit out of muck's Because I try every day bro. These kids are these kids are disgustingly good because All right frog man. You're you're you're barking at the wrong stream. My man patreon. What's up, buddy? Trick, exactly. They're they're not helping themselves You know, and that's the road they choose that kiv. He just wants to compete and I mean that's the road they choose you'm saying That dj. Khaled bro They're fucking idiots They're fucking idiots bro, I let's us a The alienated the youtubers killed them bro getting really like token on them not being on their side, bro That hurt bro. How much out there they pay snoop? Yes, fsu, of course. We're not talking to them Has none to do with skill, bro. It has to it has to do with promotion and marketing I mean, so that's what that's what youtubers are great at promotion marketing Maximizing the eyes on their products That is what youtubers are great at and when they already have maximized the eyes on their Madden product, they would help your madden product exponentially You know saying like if I hit up mmg said the bro mmg. I want my youtube to start popping Can we play a game? Can you help me play a game and promote my shit, right? Would that not help me? Seriously, think about what that would do for me and I said mmg. What's up, man? Let's play a game Can we put it on your youtube and I put it on my youtube and you help me bro? Would that not help me? seriously And my whole point is that ea should work with them And essentially help them, you know Why are the mba franchises rocking with 2k just because I think the format is is better Uh, I think I don't know They probably honestly they pitched it better See kiv. That's and that's cool And at the and when when kiv makes a stand I just want to compete I don't want to do something just for money Then essentially he gets to the he gets to the The rock and the hard place that is I am at the mercy if I just want to compete I am whatever ea allows us to make or gives us out in prize pool. That is what I can make really Me myself obviously love competing. I love playing the game. I love streaming. I love audits So for me, I wanted to maximize My my incomes. I want to have multiple incomes in different ways to make a career All right, now let's do it then. I'm in All right, you typed three sentences So you think ea we get a backlash if all the top 20 players Yeah, how many players would have to sit out? Seriously? How many how many how many players would have to sit out? And who who is the one? Who is the one that's going up to these players like kiv and saying kiv let's sit out You're not going to make any goddamn money this year You know saying kiv kiv you're going to have to go work work wherever the hell you want to work Now, I don't I don't know kiv if kiv goes to school. I don't know if he has like a degree or he has any Trade or anything. I don't know where kiv if kiv would have to go work at the gas station Or if he would go be an intern at some law firm. I have no idea But say kiv you're not playing madden this year You got to go work at walmart and you got to say the kiv and skimple all these guys And all these guys say you're not allowed to work this year or you're not allowed to play this year How many would say okay? And who's pitching that to them because it's easy for me to pitch that to him because I have a job I can make more money off madden than I can winning tournaments. So it's yeah, for sure. I'll sit out for sure Problem the same thing problem. I had no problem stopping. It's about the people that would that don't make any money outside of winning Facts, I don't trust him. We'll definitely be ducking on the saloon mcnasty That makes a good point. That's a good point. But uh, I at dinner today I mean madden doesn't have a creative player mode. Hey, maybe with the six on six we go down there I mean, of course kiv, but All right, you know what? I mean, let's let's do that. Oh, you can all right. You got it, bro Because I don't have a top 10 bro. I'm number one. That's me Fuck all these dudes And that's what I used to be like, yo, why doesn't everybody not everybody can stream not everybody's not everybody's um Has the personality streamer had the wants to stream like kiv says so it's not for everybody on it I exactly joke with that. It's not that easy. I used to think it was that easy I used to think man, y'all should stream but it's really I underrate the skill and the um The trade and the job that streamers do I underrated honestly Yeah streaming is different man. And honestly it's something that doesn't YouTube is a bigger grind. No, honestly Shop number 10 in the hood. Gee. Let's get it Yeah, z 300 I gotta give away going on. This is what you do what you want to do I want you to whisper that guy tricky 16 whisper him And ask him for code. So if any of you guys need a code for man 21 whisper tricky 16 Whisper him. He'll hook you up with a code for man 21 Yeah, whisper him has anybody in the chat got their code from tricky. There you go. He sent a long hair got one Okay You know what I'm saying make sure y'all get that done. No doubt. No doubt man. Make sure y'all whisper him, bro Oh, the ceo's and ea make up the ceo's a make boob. I mean, that's every that's every corporation the ceo's All them do spartan. Hell yeah, they make hella money called being good being good at the game being good at the game helps, but I think there's other things that uh Streamers have to do really and honestly, I'm kind I really took a lot of time Thinking about how I could make war's old streets more popping if I'm not good at them, honestly Yeah, it's done, bro No, but for a we're always gonna want more money and that's always That's always gonna be something but How can we make ea want or not not even want to but have to give away more money? How can we? You know And as much as put it like this as much as kiv is the best players in the world, right? His promotion is pretty much tied into ea Because he doesn't do any self promotion or you don't see him outside of ea So his promotion his ceiling is only as high as ea is going to make it or let it get really You understand? So essentially he only has The ceiling that ea gives him and essentially only the power and the influence that ea gives him, you know Whereas problem is probably the opposite, you know Kiddo didn't score touchdown in the playoffs. Damn. That's crazy kiv I think just The people that get paid if you're the people that get paid in the 68 to this got to be cutting a quarter, I guess really Yes, the narrow and you know, uh, zack earths actually caught a touchdown in the super bowl Do you guys remember that the game winning touchdown from zack earths in the super bowl does anybody remember that? Like big players show out show out in big play big games, right? Right chat big players show up in big games zack earths game winning touchdown super bowl A depth. So how do you promote? How do we all right? So let's say this Let's say ea comes out and say, you know, the prize pool is just a flat million We went down in prize pool. The prize pool is only a million What do what do they do now? Seriously, then you have that some type of strike, right? What what happens Damn more than my shit was late than I honestly I ain't started to like 10 Yeah, that's the order Earth's kiddle, bro Neither if ea promoted kid, but that's but but but then kid Yeah, this is my point. What does kiv do to help his Marketing what does kiv do to help his promotion? You know what I'm saying? Once I get that goes to the point of ea not gonna The more ea So say ea ea has the power to turn kiv to to You know saying a super superstar not that he already is superstar madden But they can make him that much more influential as a person, but they don't Yes, kiv. That's I mean, that's one million percent. I mean the fact. Yes Bro, and if you just look at the years of 17 and 18 the whole format and what we got to do as players like bro You know what I'm saying? Like bro being able to go to the Super Bowl and the Pro Bowl Go to la orlando minnesota Houston like I went to all these cities From mad now That's just dead Get rid of club series. All right. I'm done. I don't want to get into that Y'all know how I feel about club series, man But anyway, that's tough It's tough. I If the ratings were bad and everything was bad Um, I don't know what we're doing lights But that's how this was the needed podcast episode One episode 89 Steve Smith. We got 90 next week. Now as I look forward to the numbers of 90 There's one number that sticks out If you guys know that guess that number in the chat below or in the comments below on youtube, man Who was the best 90 ever?