 Well, with Ami here, I think maybe we'll open up with a couple of your songs We are so honored that you would come and contact with us and our friend Lisa listens to you so much. I think on her iPhone, you're of the number one played Song of all time. She just plays it and plays it no matter where she is in Mexico or here. So such an honor to have you come and Open up our little gathering tonight Yeah, thanks. Thanks for the invitation I think we'll have people who will kind of come in and so we'll just let them come and welcome them in as we go on this evening This is a first song is a song about Loving the love that we come from which which for me was a pretty big turnaround from where I started I started out with a real interest in sitting still and caves and yogis and Absolutely no interest in devotion or anything of that nature But over the years it kind of flipped Bathing in the grace I was I lived up in Edmonton, Alberta for a little while. I was I'm from northern California coast the medicinal coast and it was up there for about five years and The kind of really slow spiritual ballads. I was writing we're going over very well and the bars and coffee shops of the Alberta Prairie and So I wrote this one and I turned it into a little more of a story, but still try to keep it aligned to Coming back from the mountains kids were asleep Now I made a left turn on to our street I parked the car and looked over the smile in your eyes Warmed me all the way and clarity rises like the sun And it shines in my heart and it shines and when I remember It's all so Clear all that I could ever want Right out on the back porch. I sit distracted staring out at the stars feeling cold and contracted And it's a shift. It's so small unnoticed by Sight it's a shift inside. It's it's everything Clarity rises like the sun in the sky and it shines in my heart and it shines in my mind Out in the moonlight. It's all so Clear all that I could ever want And when I return after I've been away Well, I wonder why it's like coming home to what I When I lay down at the end of this life What's real will remain and cross through the Because what's real last and what's real does not die and shines in our hearts and shines In clarity rises like the sun and it shines in our hearts and it shines And when we remember It's all so Thank you What a way to start this off I have to say I have a group of friends up at Edmonton that are on fire for God So if you ever want to go back there, I'll meet you up there Okay, and they'll be they'll probably listen to all your whole repertoire It'll be like a retranslation of Edmonton I've been up there actually a couple times in the early 2000s and then I'm going up to Calgary Coming up in June and I'm going out to a farm and they're gonna put all the people in the barn We'll be out there and and I think there's 10 space available and all that. We're just gonna be out in nature and Going deep into the presence Another dear friend Jeffrey from Edmonton that I I was rolling through there and they asked me to speak at a religious Science church, and I think they were doing like a two two-week course on the Buddha And I went in there and let the spirit root through me and it rocked the whole place So they were I don't think they were sure what hit him We were but I thought that's cool If it's a if it's a church doing a two-part two-week series on the Buddha They've opened mind that I can cut loose with all the deepest teachings here. So so I did So Well, we're so grateful that you could all be here this is Francis Zoo and myself some of you know us from things that we share on YouTube and we're just thrilled to come out and We love these visits to the Bay Area, and I think they'll probably be more frequent. I'm actually coming out again on May 22nd to be down on Market Street, so Drew us out here After watching on YouTube for so long. He's like now. I'm ready for something Come on out. Come on out So and then our friends Kirsten and Ricky are coming next next week Next weekend. Is that up near San Rafael? Jen's house, yeah So that'll be good too Yeah, we might have some other guests coming tonight too that I heard about actually We're the type that we when we get an invitation to lunch we fly into a city just for an invitation to lunch and It's actually with the publishers of A Course in Miracles who we really love dearly It's easy enough to draw us out here to the Bay Area It's an invitation to lunch and so we're gonna do that tomorrow I mean they we may get to have a little taste of them tonight I think or some of them and they come so I'll let you all know if they make it here through the Bay Area traffic But yeah, and this is your first time out here in a little while Since last year You don't have anything you want to share with everyone to greet them Yeah, yes great to Be here. I just talked with Sundari and telling her that I will be away for half a year for the Starting from next month so it just feels really good to be coming out here and To meet you and share Just whatever in the moment that wants to come out I guess and I was talking to David quite a bit lately That I heard Gandhi said that his life is his message And I said that that is so beautiful because what else can we share? What else do we have to teach except our lives, you know the way that we we live and the way that we think the way we Carry our message is is in everything we do and is in everything That we present and we demonstrate this attitude so So yeah, I just feel very honored to be here and for any opportunity really To be able to be used And share whatever that wants to to extend out So I feel like this is my invitation, please feel free to to ask any questions and draw it out of this It's so beautiful An Ami song too. It's so beautiful God is in and God is out. God is here. God is there I just had that going through my mind this morning That everything From of course miracles. There's even a workbook lesson. God is in everything I see And then the next lesson is God is in everything I see Because God is in my mind So we're not talking pantheism that God dwells in In tulips or in this water bottle or in this tv set But it's like the presence of love the presence of God Is in everything I see because the presence of love is in my mind and it's really Showing us that there is no separation. There is no split That everything is God in the sense that The presence of love emanates and radiates Through us As a beautiful creation of God to everything and everyone and there really is nothing else And I know sometimes people will even say to me if I say that That God is in everything I see they'll say that sounds a little polyanna David you're getting a little polyanna there and it's actually not You know, this is actually the truth of it. I'm just stating the fact of it and so to me It's it's what a healed perception even if you look at the world and you say my gosh, there's so many Images and this cosmos But actually the the love is behind the veil So literally the love radiates in us and through us and out to everything our love The love of God the love of spirit reaches everything and that's what The goal of you might say our experience on earth is just to come to a healed perception before the veil parts and disappears and we See that there is only love then Then we can extend a healed perception a unified perception and in quantum physics, it's called the unified field and Rumi also called it the field. There is a field. I will meet you there the poets the scientists Those that are into religion spirituality Have been echoing this love throughout the ages and poetry songs like emi singing you can feel the presence coming through and So I've been traveling around the world and it's quite delightful for me when I have someone just shows Up and and gratefully just sings let's the present just whoosh through I had this happen to me a number of years ago when I went to stock home and I was at a yoga center and A woman I had never met and in catast Just came and she brought her guitar and you could just hear a pin drop And everybody just dropped just through her first two songs into the presence of love So quickly so directly so easily like melting butter And I had never met. I just thank you and that's the way to start All of us dropping in dripping wet with love and continue on with that So You know some of you know what we're sharing we're sharing this love and we're sharing this love has no Interruptions. There's no gaps in it. There's no time when it is not there and It's fun to come and join with me because if anybody comes and they seem to have a problem Then we just join together and you just see if that problem is still there After we join together You know like says we're two or more are gathered in his name. I am there and To me that's how it works That's how the great Sages and the great saints and the great healers The avatars have all worked. They just are aware of the presence of love and then everything and everyone In their presence also experiences that because they are emanating and radiating that which is And so even though I could say these gatherings or satsongs or whatever you want to call them Are just opportunities to come together Really and rejoice and celebrate. That's what we are always doing. We're always celebrating And and always it's based on On an invitation and again Sadari so graciously opens up her home And actually in a time of her need where she was needing The light to come and shine and and I'd like to remember You know, that's how it works. There's nothing more sacred than than one who calls and one who answers because really it's the spirit that's answering And so we we are so grateful that you have called us To your home again and took a come and share the space and And again, that's that's reason enough for us to come Over here to the Bay Area. It doesn't take much. You know, we're we hear the call and we're on the plane We're here for you Hi, David come on in you have to whisper just come and join me come Yeah, look just the glee of Of the life that we're given when we give our Life over to spirit, you know, that's the thing that's so beautiful And just the happiness, you know, we Feel so called and it's been such a calling for me for so long that that everything just seemed to merge and and unify and then You know, it's it's I'm quite clueless of every day what will happen where I'll go what I'll do It's just wonderful to not really have a clue of of how your day is going to go and live in that state of I do not know anything of this world because the presence of love Is really what it's all about anyway, so It has been a life of trust and a lot of times When Francis and I Commonly come upon invitation and we speak it seems to cause it seems to stir things up a bit in the world because we're be basically Echoing what Jesus taught and teaches that I'm calling out of the thinking of the world It is possible to live a life of of complete trust And when you live in that complete trust everything flows In your awareness very beautifully. It's like all things do work together for good It's the state of mind where there absolutely are no problems We're talking about a practicality. We're not talking about a pie in the sky We're not talking about a fantasy world. We're talking about the presence of love Some call it healing some call it wholeness some call it completion You can really call it what you want But it's beautiful in that state because there are no enemies there is nothing to contest The spirit can use all the symbols of the world But it's using everything Fully for the purpose of expressing the unity expressing the love There is no other purpose for any image in the cosmos No other purpose for a tulip for a rose for a candle for a light everything shares the same purpose and This is a big turnaround from the idea that everything has a different purpose Everyone has a different name every object has a different name and all of the complex configurations of this world Because though we've been raised with that kind of thinking It hasn't really brought us peace It hasn't brought us satisfaction. It hasn't brought us contentment So we're actually enjoying this experience of being totally given over to spirit and it's nice when we share because Some have shared Collin was saying he's watched the youtube's and he met Francis for the first time and he said oh I've heard your stories. Yeah. Yeah You were married. You had this you had that and He gave it all up and now look at you She's got a big smile on her face And so there's practicalities to that not that Not that there's sacrifice not that there's Anything actually truly really to give up in this state of mind. It's it's simply that You have a sense of integrity. You have a sense of wholeness and completion In which you see that you have and are everything That who you are the state of mind that you are Is everything and it's not missing anything And so I would say to the ego it seems like a giving up like you actually had something And then it's gone now when actually I would say everything is simply Perception becomes integrated and you realize That what you thought you had you never really hit Therefore, you can't really lose anything You can only have the illusion of giving up And that's been the way that was the intense step. I guess when every time I share my story people the most This is dirt, you know people got stirred up Mainly and the question that people want to ask is is that has to be the way To go about awakening. Do I have to give up? And so much so that now we're talking can we Can we go on can we that is the beginning? Really that isn't the big deal Can we actually just get started because there's so much to go through through, you know after that The seeming letting go of what we value and what really brings us security And the things that we have accumulated and possessed As if there's an identity that can possess anything Just through letting them go then whatever that is buried and hidden underneath Can have a chance To be brought to awareness You know, that is the way that it works is that we we're so afraid to face what is underneath We're fooling ourselves thinking we're afraid of letting go things We're not afraid to let go things We're afraid to face what is underneath them why we were so caught up in accumulating All of that in the first place. There's a there's a huge self-deception that is going on And really, you know after I stepped into that seeming Letting go then the underneath reasons and fear and emotion were allowed to come to to to the surface And that was the beginning of healing Because when they are hidden and when they are protected and defended there is no chance Of healing there's just so much that's underneath Underneath that And there's a huge fear of realizing who we are, you know, it's not like we're Begging the spirit to tell us who we are we are constantly fighting and protesting No protecting this identity this self-made identity to say no, don't don't show me it's too threatening And I'm going to use all kinds of excuses and distractions To stop that awareness to come you know, so This is really not about A form or a formula This is a message that We're saying that this is not a pathway of sacrifice This is not a pathway of of giving giving up anything that's real It's actually a pathway of giving everything giving up everything that is causing us pain and suffering Truly that is the experience that can come out of it And that seems to be that that love is so important because that love provides us the safety That love provides security Not the the jobs and the investments and the possessions Not protecting things not defending things but Coming with open hands and open arms unto thy God And to me that's a living presence. It's so safe. It's so safe It's an invitation It's the love is saying it's okay. You can you can not hold up the mask anymore. You don't have to Try to protect anything We have a monastery out in rural utah way out in rural utah and I think was maybe I don't know a couple weeks ago. I was invited to go there and I I came into the sanctuary and there was a group there and I was just going to be with them sit in presence with them for You know a couple hours and just See if anything came through and and then one by one there was Exposure or crying lots of crying wailing You know it's fun when you go and you hear wailing and it's just wailing wailing and and it was so beautiful and then after those A couple hours I ended up Saying I want to find a song if we had we used the iphone to search and find a song and it was Sarah McLaughlin's fumbling Towards ecstasy It's an actually an album and that says a song on it and the the line Repeats in the chorus. I won't fear love. She just pours like she's just pouring her whole heart and soul into I won't fear love So healing and then everyone all the tears cleared All the smiles came out. It was like all the clouds blew by and there was just such radiant happiness That was allowed to come into awareness by not holding on To the sadness not holding on to the grief Not holding on to that heavy heavy experience that was behind all the crying and the wailing How wonderful. It's just no different than if you've you've been through a very hot Day and you're you're hot and you're sweaty And you take a nice cool shower at the end of the day before you go to bed To be rinsed to be cleansed have all those pores Opened wide before you go to sleep. So you can have a nice sound sleep You know, that's the allowance. That's what love is And that's the most important thing, you know, the love is beyond the teachings. It's beyond the words It's beyond the techniques It's beyond the practices It's just so safe And it's so inviting And that's really what our life has pretty much turned into We there's travels to meet people. There's welcoming people that come and seem to live with us It holds that's just a backdrop of Allowing the love to to flow freely not holding anything That would hold it back that would confine it It's so delicious, you know, that's I think of Joseph Campbell follow your bliss This word wise word wise words. Follow your heart. Follow your bliss See that there's nothing that can hold you back from that experience So it's a transformation of consciousness really that comes about There's some more people trickle. This is a trickle in Darius that's the right amount of chairs and stools here So we're really here at the service of love at your service and So so grateful to be able to to just share this presence together Darius brought a few more pillows. Okay Yeah Oh, okay, we've got two couches that you feel to recline in and also My comfort has arrived You know, it's interesting you're talking about you I won't be afraid of love because my sister she's visiting and uh, she lives in kebek. I don't see her that often and um We sleep in the same bed because that's how in my family we used to sleep close. You know, we're four sisters We're very close and So one night we go to bed and I just feel like I love her I just feel so much love and gratitude and then it's like Like I want to communicate it but at the same time like No, you can't say that, you know, the voice is there. I Don't say you love her Because that's the way it's kind of the way it was or whatever I believe and so I It was just so strange like This this the fear I won't be afraid of love. So I've been doing I've been praying on this for the past couple of days and also like we have a Like I joined the companions and then so my son went to bed. I just felt it again And I said I told her I love you very much. And then she said And then she said I'm so happy to be here I just emotional It was just so Great, it was a great feeling to experience And sometimes I Prevent myself from leaving it like I have this fear. So I'm so happy you talk about not being afraid of love because that's something We Somehow I think we need to promote, you know, don't be afraid of love Yes, so I'm happy you're sending us this message Hmm beautiful Oh, there we go. There's two that will recline Sundari always welcomes everybody foods out soft couches chairs Come come. She's welcoming everyone Yeah, it's great because Guilt is a it's a very subtle motivator, but I've noticed for a lot of people when they start to get honest and look at their consciousness and look at their life they notice that That's there a lot of their actions throughout their life was was motivated by fear or guilt It's interesting when you ever when you really step back far enough to look at that and then There's something inside that just rises up and says it doesn't have to be that way We can be motivated by love motivated by joy motivated by happiness And then this other voice can say well, that'll work so far But what about jobs and careers and and responsibilities and duties, you know, that that voice will always answer That loving thought like who what what life would be like to be and so inspired that every action Every single action was motivated by by love and happiness and joy And I I say it is just a matter of trust because I after I had that honest introspection and started to see how Much the majority of my actions had been motivated by fear Then I began trusting and When I trusted I started calling A lot of witnesses. I always talk about that passage from A Course in Miracles It says once you have accepted his plan as the one function you would fulfill There will be nothing else the Holy Spirit will not arrange for you Without your effort, he will go before you making straight your path and leaving in your way No stones to trip on no obstacles to bar your way Nothing you need will be denied you not one seeming difficulty What but will melt away before you reach it You need take that for nothing except the only purpose you would fulfill To me that was like lilies of the field look at the lilies of the field. They neither spin or toil And and all those wonderful passages that is a living experience And it's always available to us for trust all we have to do is put our trust in it Not one seeming difficulty, but will melt away before you reach it That's the kind of trust that you need to experience presence consistently And Francis was just sharing In her life, you know with different things that you had you had a house and a husband And a business and then own your own business and a lot of the things the world would say oh very good Mary, oh you got a good good business So oh your own business even better, you know There's like a little ladder of check check check check that you're supposed to be more successful more safe more secure more happy even if you can check certain boxes And I think it went different in my life because I was more like a hobo Francis did the way that you're supposed to do it I was a hobo I Kind of went around, you know, I didn't have like a boot of begging bowl But there was never anything in my account. That's why I never checked. Do you check your account balance? No, I don't ever do that I'm not interested in my account balance It's not impressive. It never will be impressive It never was impressive and never will be impressive and and so You know, but I had been caught in academia. I was in the university for 10 years and undergrad and graduate school and degrees and all this and that so So what do you usually get when you spend 10 years full-time in university? No, you get in debt is what you get That's how we'll speak for the majority of the students in the world But I say that if you spend 10 years if you spend 10 years in university, I'm talking full-time. You are in debt Mostly, right? I mean that's that's speaking for most people This is a very rare one that we're had sugar daddy and something, you know that you know And so but that was good too because then I thought okay spirit Now what it's like, you know, it's like we have to unwind you from From the world we have to unwind you from debt because debt Is not an idea that comes from the creator debt actually is where guilt Comes in if you believe in debt if you believe in lack then you believe you experience guilt And that can be a motivator in your life You know some of those songs work my finger to the bones, you know Well, working your fingers to the bones is usually coming from guilt You know, I mean I the lives of lots lots of mystics and saints. They're just singing a song And you don't like these roses don't look like they're working their finger to the bone. They're just like They've got it made even their stems are cut and and Sundari's got them in water. They're just drinking in the water just radiating And they're just having a good time and enjoying themselves But they're not like struggling and striving here even with their stems cut. They're they're just having a great time here I can tell I'm feeling the vibe but But that's the thing we have to come out of that mentality of Works drives suffer, you know, because that's not what god intended for us in creation God intended us first to be happy And and not the kind of happiness that comes from achieving Certain kind of outcomes in the world. We're talking eternally happy like happy for no earthly reason In fact, that was my goal was just I I wouldn't be content until I was happy for no earthly reason Because when you when you watch the birds singing, they're not singing because they found some food or They're not singing because they found a mate or something. They're singing because they're happy They just trip trip trip away, you know, they just They're chirping we want to be chirping away as well In everything we think and say and do So I came the hobo route and she came more of the Build it all up and then let it all go Just as fearful, you know You're talking about that I've never been in debt and I've been like accumulating accumulating accumulating and Constantly in fear just constantly in fear until the moment I let it all go Suddenly for the first time in my life I didn't have fear about money anymore when I let it all go So that was such a Contrast and I would never have believed in it unless I experienced it firsthand So it's just You know the more that we accumulate and we defend some self concept or self identity The more fear Yeah, and I think the more that you go into this the more That you trust the more you can relax and and be clueless about About your day, you know, you you can when you see people you can hug them You can greet them. You can smile. You can laugh very freely because you don't have an agenda You know if you're into sales There's this motive of selling something in the background and it can get very stressful If there's a competition motive if there's and it's actually if there's an agenda to get anything from anyone I found that that's how the mind works The mind is so powerful that if you have a desire to get something from the world If you want something from the world, it will seem that the world wants something from you And and it's so such a glorious life to just show up in in full giving mode and then watch the reflections Everything just seems to be so abundantly there, but you have no control over any of it you know some of you know the serenity prayer from 12 steps and and there's a version of that in the course and near the The rules for decision where Jesus says you have no control over the world you made What does that mean? You have no control over the world you made means number one that That there was some kind of a crazy puff in your mind that you believed in that projected this whole strange time space cosmos That love didn't create this world That certainly went against my Christian upbringing You know Genesis God created the heavens and the earth And I finally started to realize God created the heavens God created the heavens What about earth well If we give it back if we give over the projection and we say Help me with this Cosmos help me with all these projected differences It will unify and we'll see Heaven reflected on earth will see A unified world where it's all is in harmony, but But the actual earth the projection of separate images and everything came from the ego. It came from falsity It's it came from a puff of nothingness. So so actually It's really important to come to that distinction in your mind where you see Okay, I admit it. I have no control over the world I made Because that making that inventing that fiction that fantasy that fabrication Was coming from the ego and I'm opening to learn that I am not an ego I am a creation of a perfect loving God And therefore I can let go of trying to control the world What are the benefits of letting go of trying to control the world? Well, it certainly helps with your partner and your spouse if you're not trying to control them You're going to have a lot more happiness and peace The other thing is if you quit trying to control the body as long as you think you are personally Responsible for the body and you've got to make sure you feed it and get the right nutrition And it gets enough sleep and this and this it can get really stressful Trying to live a healthy life doing all the right things for that body It's like a pressure like oh if I slip up I could get a disease. I could I could have to pay for that slip up The spirit is saying no you need to you need to let go of the reins and the control and realize that miracles are involuntary And when you serve the glory of the lord if you serve spirit if you serve god Things will just seem to happen, but it will be more like you're watching you're like the witness self Watching the world. You're not trying to control it. You're not trying to change it. You're trying not trying to fix it Seek not to change the world seek rather to change your mind about the world I was just at a conference in las vegas and that was the theme of the whole conference Change your mind change the world And what fun, you know, I have fun in vegas because I I'm just watching the world I got to watch all the sights and images and You know, it was fun going back to vegas the first time I went to vegas The spirit had me on the highway driving towards california I came right to the exit where it was las vegas the spirit had me pull off On the exit. I went a couple blocks toward vegas There was a big building with one of these digital tv screens on it that was like two stories high And it was a wedding scene It was a it was a bride in a groove and there was rice flying and it was all these people and it was a wedding scene and then The whole wedding scene disappeared and it came up into this deep royal blue Called course america's blue. I just sat there watching the whole thing and then this one word rose up in big Like white letters illusion And it stopped and I just was there just looking at illusion with all this blue and illusion This is my visit to vegas. This is how the holy spirit takes me to vegas and then Light turns green. I'm guided turn left I'm guided turn left again I'm got a back on the highway and I'm on my way to california. That's all I got That was my entire experience of las vegas That's how it started That's probably all I could handle at that point I'm not going back to vegas till I have some mind training And then fill with presence then I can go and enjoy vegas Because then I have something to extend I have a lot to extend but but if I was going to vegas to get something I I certainly got my message and then off you go to california Go out to bakersfield and over there, you know, it went on so so that's what we're saying is You know, there's a line that from the course that really inspired me It said what is temptation but the wish to make illusions real I thought now that's a great definition of temptation. What is temptation but the wish to make illusions real? What does that mean? That would be what is temptation but the wish to make the temporary eternal When all that the spirit is asking is is focus your mind on the everlasting The one question you can ask yourself with anything in this world is is it passing or is it ever lasting And as you keep using that as your discernment You start to realize that what you have within you and that you always had within you and what is radiating through you And what is truly who you are is eternal And it shall never pass away Those that drink of me Shall never see death What if you practically live that in every single moment of every day? Those that see me shall never pass away Drink of me and you will thirst no more That's worth it That's worth it And that to me is the same thing that Buddha taught that's what all the sages and mystics say empty your mind Simply do this be still lay aside all thoughts what you are what god is all concerns all doubts all worries all regrets all ambitions that That's why I kind of Started out in the hobo Line of work and then and ended up in the hobo line of work Because my ambition is zero Am I an entrepreneur? No My capitalist? No socialist. No I I Am into presence. I'm into love. I'm into joy And how do I keep love and joy and happiness and peace in my mind? How do I keep it there by giving it away? And by not letting my mind drift into these Things that were just meaningless superficial thoughts of nothingness That's why I have no opinions people say who you're gonna vote for In the presidential election vote You think I'm a dualist You really believe I'm a dualist. Well, you want to make a difference in the world. Do I? I don't I don't think so I don't think so. Well the candidates have such varying views. Do they? I woke up with my course miracles lesson, which I recorded I recorded one every day and I sent it out And it was something like today I will perceive no differences See what that does to your politics Today I will perceive no differences this lesson 200 and something. I'm fully into that I'm fully into that Lesson 128 the world I see holds nothing that I want I've had people that shut the book on that lesson They did they missed out 129? It's a great lesson, but they shut the book on 128. They said that's not true I don't believe that And I said oh, but 129 is so beautiful. What was that? Beyond this world is a world I want Beyond this world is a new way of seeing the world where I'm not craving and grabbing and Trying to get get get without without the getting motive. This world is beautiful. It is spectacular When we're in give mode when all we do is we like the flower we let the fragrance go We don't try to direct where the fragrance goes We don't try to direct the gift the flower gives the gift freely and when we give our love freely We experience the full extent of that love We don't try to limit it. We don't try to tie it down and so on and so forth. So to me everything that I've experienced is extremely practical And and it's quite a joy. We have quite a joy at sharing that It's it's practical spirituality. It's not pie in the sky It's not wishing hoping Maybe maybe that sounds good sentimentally. Yeah, that kind of that's good sentimentally sentimentally. What we're not into sentimentality either That's just time It's the presence of love that's here and now that is everything So yeah, that's why we're here. We are showing up in love We're showing up to share a beautiful joyful message in That when you give when you fully Give and you don't have a motive of getting something in return That's there's nothing more more joyful. Those are my favorite parables or the giving parables I'm going off with kirsten kirsten's writing a book. I married a mystic from her years ago with me, but I remember we went to wisconsin that time and she had spent quite a few hours back in the days with CDs making CDs and stomping CDs Do you ever remember the stomping CDs where you you got to record the CD then you got to put a label on it, you know We were so simple when we stomped and we put white labels on them and we hand wrote This was the day This was past the days of cassettes This is when we were stomping CDs and the hand wrote on them and she had stomped A whole bunch of of CDs and we went to a little church in shabuigan, wisconsin. Don't you like that name shabuigan? Isn't it out of happy name shabuigan? I like names that I like to say like I like from the bible I like to I like the the word for a grade sepulcher. I like that sepulcher shabuigan So I I was in shabuigan and we were at the church and I gave the whole thing and usually in my talks at the end I would talk about freely we have received now freely give freely I give everything's for free It was one of my talks where it's a free free persons like just tone it down a little bit Because I've got my CDs here and you know, we want people to come up and So I remember I was talking free free free. She's like at the very end And then a woman who had been there. I think it was a Hispanic woman who had been there She had to leave so she went over Person had laid out all these CDs And I give them the free free free thing and she took her hand and she scooped She went along and scooped as many CDs as she could get in her hand in total glee she scooped and I watched her and she was like She went she scooped and she got a whole handful and she went running out the door before Kirsten could even get to the table I was horrified that her all of her stomping Not take one CD or throw something in a donation basket where she just scoops I think I hope that makes it into the book. That was one of my I love those parables Where I'm going on and on about free free free free free and then somebody actually Feels me and goes. Thank you and scoops you know Because if I'm a business sense to scoop that's not a good scoop, you know, that's a lot of Profit or whatever you want to call it that scooped away But she went out the door with such happiness and glee and I loved it. I also loved a gathering years ago I went to one of these Summer solstice things. I think at the Cincinnati Zoo and this guy came and he spoke in such grace and presence The whole talk his name was George. He was part of the emissaries of light And I sat there and I just oh, I loved his talk and I was just like, oh God, it is so good and I was so happy and smiling And then at the end he said there's a basket at the back by the door And he said if I do all my work on a donation basis So if anybody wants to donate, please feel free to Put something in the basket when you're going out I'd heard that spiel a hundred times So that was okay. I still was in joy And then he said and if you're hurting and you have financial difficulty or anything You feel free to take anything you want out of that basket on the way out and I went Yo, now there we go There we go. There's somebody who's really living in divine providence I've heard the other spiel a hundred times but I never heard that That lit me up That lit me up so much and I want I want to live my life like that George and George just passed away Like a couple years ago some friends said he was so happy too. He just I think he was just lived his life so happy and he lived in some community I think in Colorado and emissaries of light just the name is that a lovely name I would love to just visit a community emissaries of light that name would draw me in I don't care what their creed is or whatever. I'd go visit emissaries of light Jimmy Twyman. I just he was with us recently. He he wrote a book emissaries of light about the silent brotherhood in Croatia And everybody and some people were wondering is that fact or fiction? Who cares? Who cares really? It's all fiction It's all fiction There's no facts in this world. God is a fact. Love is a fact. Peace is a fact Those are some joy is a fact, but the rest is fiction. You know, the rest is passing It's ephemeral Everything about the cosmos. I mean, I love studying science too and and at one point when I was Studying science then I realized that that they one of the principles was that the entire cosmos was Was moving into chaos. What do they call that? The second law of thermodynamics We got a chemist in the entropy Entropy everything in the cosmos is moving to chaos. Isn't that wonderful? You know why that's wonderful because we're beyond the cosmos We weren't created to be trapped in a in a time-space cosmos So I was happy when it said entropy is everything is moving to chaos I didn't get depressed by that. I thought well, it's good doesn't concern me I'm not concerned with the beginning or anything of this world And I think that's where the joy comes in when when you just can watch the world without a sense of having to Feel a responsibility towards it. We are responsible for our state of mind, by the way Not for the entropy, but for our state of mind So to me, that's good practical practical teachings The second law of thermodynamics Yes, I don't want to interrupt. Oh, no, this is great. I love questions So when you say we are responsible for our state of mind Oh, I'm just curious to know like when I heard David say we are responsible for our state of mind I'm just curious to know like who is the we Well, I would say it's it's our mind is responsible for The peace and the happiness and joy in other words everything to me comes down to acceptance And you know like Byron Katie calls it loving what is you know, what is is is love Is the peace joy and happiness and there's a responsibility for that in other words I love it when people bring up topics like some people I went to Ireland And I was they had me in this room and it was a really cold room. Everybody was there Everyone's you could see their breath in Ireland It was quirk and I'm sitting in quirk And I mean there was a bunch of irish people and you could see the breath bowels from Ireland And then I was talking to him and and I love it. I love questions and I waited one of the questions was speak of the devil Speak on the devil So I did I love to talk about the devil Uh, I'll talk about anything Talk about sin Now what does the sin and the devil have to do with our state of mind? Well, it has a lot to do with our state of mind if We're in any way lined up with the devil Or with the ego or with sin. It doesn't matter what name. I'm not shy about names People say oh, don't use that word sin, David. Please don't use it And don't use death either Just tell just say people make their transition don't ever use the word death We can't we can't be afraid of these words. I'm happy to use sin devil death anything, you know I don't believe in them. So that makes it I can speak with some authority The authoritativeness of spirit because there is no death because there is no sin, but To take responsibility for your state of mind means you have to go in your mind And you have to see absolutely positively without compromise Beyond error beyond error beyond color sin if you want to become an error So the the state of mind that that is peace You might say is is our reality That's which self is it? That's the real self That's the that's the only self that there is And the self that will say believes it's a personality self on a timeline and so on and so forth That self is nothing in nowhere that that self can kind of puff itself up. It's pretty good at that, you know I got these degrees and I this and money in the bank possessions and And I can speak this language and that language and I can do you know that little self tries to make itself into something real But it really isn't it's basically Completely inconsequential if there's no reality. I mean even some spiritualities like to say that each human being is a unique individual divine expression of of God I used to believe that kind of stuff, but I'm not into particles anymore I'm not into subatomic particles Personality particles or whatever I'm I'm seeing that the wholeness The wholeness is what God is the wholeness is what Christ is the wholeness is is our real identity and that wholeness Has a responsibility to itself to be itself You know, we we have a responsibility to be happy because God created us happy There's a responsibility to that in the Course in Miracles. It says when God created you as the Christ It wasn't a passive thing. You actually answered with the affirmative You actually answered with a yes And when you say yes to the Creator Oh, it's true and real you you are in a divine pact of happiness And there is no other option But to be happy in who you are Sometimes people will say, oh, it's God's will that this happened It's God's will that that happened God's will that that country got invaded It's God's will that the hurricane hit here. I don't know. No God's will has nothing to do with events of hurricanes and tsunamis and things of time and space God's will for you is perfect happiness That's God's will And all this stuff about not my will but thine those were just remember the prayers of st. Francis and some of the saints They were just saying please I don't want to identify with the ego anymore. Not my will but thine be done. Thy will be done But God answers thy will is my will Not the ego, but who you are your will for perfect happiness is perfectly aligned with with the Creator Isn't that wonderful that God is creates only perfect happiness. I like that To me that that's the kind of theology I'll take that's the only line in the theology out. I'll take it Because what's where's the sin in that? Where's the error in that? Now I spent the last 25 years talking about the belief in sin The belief in error The belief in fear, you know because it's it's practical I have a friend who just wrote me today and she's deli Speaking to a huge auditorium full of indian people over in deli india and she's giving a talk On On a course in miracles and somebody asked the question I think it was how did the ego happen? I call that the number one question. How did the ego happen? and and so She finally said The son of god forgot to laugh that's how she answered the question Forgot to laugh You know that took it seriously If we have a powerful mind and we take sin or error or fear seriously Then you get a time-space cosmos and when you actually Say i'm not going to have a scrap left of that thought system. I'm not going to hold on to a scrap of it I'm going to let thine eye be single. I'm going to align with my creator. I'm going to Live the life of happiness and joy because that's how I was created that it's actually arrogant to be fearful. It's arrogant to be guilty Because why because god created you perfect And if you believe you're something other than that perfection, it's the most arrogant Thing that could ever be See you again Someone of course that says something about love is the same There's no in love. There's no difference. It's just all love is the same And when I like listen to be I feel like she loves her sister different than she loves me Or loves her daughter. Maybe you're different than that So I don't know. Can you say something about this idea of all love is the same? And and it seemed like it used the word same Yeah Yeah, I I love that my friend rested wrote a song from the angels We are the same not different. We are the same Not separate Sameness is real differences are insane. This is I mean, it's got such a nice melody and the angels really get it right. They always hit it right on differences are insane I was just talking to frances about that because a lot of times I mean here we are out in bay area in san francisco And a lot of times there's this sense of we have to accept diversity. We have to accept differences I don't understand that. I don't understand even what that means accept differences Or people have said we just have to learn how to agree to disagree. That doesn't sound good to me That doesn't sound good to me at all Because why we are the same not separate That when the ego made this world it it threw out a witness of separation of differences That's what most human beings perceive is all differences And what is that covering over well? in the mind There are two purposes and I could call those two purposes love and fear or spirit and ego But the mind pushed that out of awareness dissociated itself from this these Love and fear and then projected out the the split of consciousness because love and fear let's face it don't go together You know, you won't hear jesus saying you can't have one without the other He's not going to be saying that not with love and fear Love is real and fear isn't so he's not going to say you can't have one without the other In fact, he has a different tune. He says bring them together In your mind and one will disappear We have an analogy in this world light and darkness. You never notice how light and darkness don't exist Einstein one time, you know, there was a professor that was trying to tell a young Einstein that That evil was real and darkness was real and he said no, no, it's not You know, there is no such thing as darkness. Einstein said it's just the absence of light You can't define anything by saying the absence of Einstein said that's that's crazy. He basically told the professor. He was crazy to think that there was something called evil and and basically that is What we're doing with this thing if you have a split in your mind and you bring the split together in the mind then Light and darkness don't coexist only one is real But if you keep that hidden if you try to retain the split in consciousness And you see a world of duality and separation and differences Then what you've simply done is you fail to forgive The error you fail fail to bring the error the darkness to the light because the darkness will be gone once you bring it to the light so really That's what i'm saying is that I spent my life I devoted my life to just bringing unconscious darkness to the light and it does disappear And that's where the happiness comes in you realize that you are actually happy all along But only when you believed in the ego, did you believe you were sad or afraid or guilty because you're not the ego You you start to realize when you don't when you don't hide the ego anymore. It goes It's just gone. It never was there in the first place so That's what I like about Seeing sameness in this in the sense that in order to know divine love agape love Unconditional love you have to let this sameness Kind of sweep across everything in perception That means you let go beautiful and ugly fast slow hot cold Good bad right wrong. You have to let go of morality. You have to let go of ethics. You have to let go of Everything everything you think you think everything you think you know Sounds like buddha buddha said empty the mind go into the void Jesus said empty the mind go into the void. Ah kingdom of heaven See that's all he just added that little extra part Because he experienced that the I am this Before abraham was I am he he got through the void and oh It's full. It's everything. It's light. It's love. It's joy. And and to me That's our practicality now. You're using the as an example She's probably happy anytime that love that love springs out of her like She's one night. She's thinking I just want to go hug my sister and love her Little sleeping in the same bed like we did when we were little girls and And the voice is going no, no, no, don't love her. Don't say that. Don't say that to her. Don't don't don't And then finally she gives in she goes, I love you and oh It's just so wonderful when we give in for the love when we express What's in our heart? So it's just everybody's practicing Doing that with with everyone and everything So if you're not I am this then you would you love everyone the same? Yes, yeah, of course. That's what love is Love doesn't have any exceptions and love doesn't have any degrees and love doesn't have any hierarchies You know, it's it's it to be what itself it can't have any It can't have any exceptions Yes, like we use the word mitigate like Like when we're children and we've done I think we've done something wrong and we fear punishment from our parents sometimes The child will say don't do it mom. Don't do it, you know I'll I'll go without allowance. I'll go to my room, you know, it's almost like a Thing like oh, there's a greater punishment coming So I'll dish it out I'll be the one dishing here because I don't want to face what whatever Is there and yeah, that's that's a dynamic that we feel with What's the way it works in the mind? We feel the ego belief is somehow I deserve to be punished You know sin guilt fear, you know, it's like an unholy trinity if if I believe in wrongness or something's gone wrong Then I'll I'll have guilt and I'll fear punishment Because that's part of the crazy system So, yeah, I know that's again part of those motivations of trying to mitigate Be a good little boy be a good little girl Do the right things act the right way except nobody has any universal agreement on what that is If you look at all the different cultures Everybody's trying to behave like good little boys and girls and good men and women And It's crazy, you know, it's a crazy because nobody seems to be able to reach that standard You know, they still feel that underneath David, um I wanted to share a little miracle if that's okay Um, lots of little things have been working out for me in my life lately What there was is one little thing that really struck me the other day I was going for a walk about an hour and I said on this walk, I would I would have my lunch And I was going to stop at McDonald's. So then I'm thinking now now what am I going to have? Okay And I'm trying not to eat too much I'm still trying to take care of the body and I'm not doing a burger chop. Anyway, so I'm thinking um, well, they have this Uh Double cheeseburger a simple double cheeseburger and a special value menu Um, they used to be like a dollar, but now I'm gonna like two dollars or something Not that that's a lot of money, but Maybe I should have two now. No, I'll just have one and I just put it out of my mind I get to drink McDonald's What do I see they had this two for 250 double cheeseburgers So I had to move double cheeseburgers For only 50 cents more What is that's a we do the math on that it's a pretty pretty big discount. Yeah, it was As I say, it was just it's just a little thing. I just put it out of my mind and It just worked out fine But that that that is illustrating how how a spiritual principle works in the sense that That I found when I wasn't chasing after all kinds of things And as I went through this purification process that the spirit knew The ego preference structure of David The spirit knows everything. It's like that's a you don't miss a thing. I do you see everything You know, it's the spirit even knows the ego preference system And then when your mind which is still split and needing healing turns toward the light The angels all rejoice it's standing ovation. Yes, it's turn. Oh here it comes. It's coming back Big celebration in heaven and angels cheering and then you're just making your turn, you know, you still have got a long way to go You're just making the turn But everyone's cheering standing ovation from the angels and everything and then the spirit uses your preference ego preference system to bestow Miracles I call them whims And then you get tons of whims like that two double cheeseburgers For only 250 whims That's almost back to the old price. That's really close to the old price So you see how that works the spirit's like, oh, thank you so much for making that turn You're just practicing. You're studying. You're working on forgiving forgiving christine, you know, you're doing all this work He works hard toward the spirit So hard toward the spirit He works hard toward the spirit. So you better treat him right He's trying his best to forgive christine and it's a really a full-time job And then when he's out finally taking a breather And he's going to mcdonald's the spirit's like, mm-hmm david. I am very well aware Of all that inner work you're doing and for you two double cheeseburgers People laugh about that. That's I'm not fooling. That's exactly how the spirit works The spirit's been doing that with me for 25 years This kind of little thing is no small deal I mean, I would how do you think I kept at it? I needed some Let's have some grace showing up here and everything and the secret says law of attraction and you manifested your double burgers and all No, I don't have to go there. All I know is that I'm going towards back towards love towards abstraction Towards vastness towards oneness And I appreciate I fully appreciated everything That happens to me every day those things happen and it happens to me every week for example I I think it was years ago some years ago I just I was in Cincinnati and I was guided to go to a car max dealer and to get a car This doesn't happen very often for hobos. I'll tell you you're not going shopping With the kind of life I've been living but occasionally rarely may take years, but It's I ain't go there. I end up getting this Honda Civic hybrid And I thought and then then they were like, do you want a warranty or not? And I said, okay, I'll take the warranty. I never I never get warranties for anything It was a rare time. My spirit had me get a warranty. So anyway recently It was like I was driving around and I think I was coming back It was a six year warranty. It was an eight year Eight year warranty. I got an eight year warranty on it. It was a used car. I got an eight year warranty on it So anyway, and I'm thinking myself. This is probably the last car. I'll ascend I'll ascend I got a nice color. I like it's a blue color and I breath This is the last car probably ever driving in all the time in space So you might as well enjoy it. Do you want to warrant go ahead? Yeah, throw in the warranty on it So it's on the warranty. So I was driving from the monastery And I never take the car even to the monastery But it's all dusty and bumpy out there, but I I'm driving along and I'm cruising along and this is like utah. So it's not like out here where it's, you know 60 70 80 degrees or whatever. It's still high elevations and everything But this was a really warm day and I noticed I'm driving along and I'm thinking Huh, I tried to push my air conditioner and nothing came out Now this is a whim, you know, when you're a mystic in your hobo air conditioning, you know, it's like roll the windows down That's all I do as I roll the windows down and then you try to have a conversation. You can't hear What'd you say? You know, you're going on the highway. Anybody knows what I'm talking about Roll the windows down. That's fine for me. I could do without air conditioning What? And then you've got your you've got music and you put your great You've got your CD your player and then you've got your iphone and everything But you can't hear the music when the when you're on the highway and the wind's blowing and So so that's like a win for me. It's like so So lisa goes and she checks it out and she's like, well, they say it's going to be there could be a compressor and this and this She's like 900 1200 13 1400 I'm like what That's like 12 million to me, you know 1200 translates to 12 million that'll be 12 million dollars When you're a hobo $1,200 is 12 million because you're used to dealing in cents Traction so I'm thinking I said I said what I said If it's a penny over 300 Forget it So then I'm going around and this is like I got that warranty six years ago. I'm going around the holy spirit. It's like you have a warranty So I'm like I go digging through all my papers mystics. Are you hard to collect things? We don't collect anything But I sure I left all these paper work. No, we couldn't find it I found this little piece of paper and it was like on this Civic hybrid warranty and it had the number. Ah So I just passed it on to somebody. I see what you can do about it. Well that We just discovered before we came out here that it's it's it's all covered. No deductible nothing They they had to take it to the Honda dealership because you have to have special tools to do work with the hybrid And then they have to do this and this and they're so happy these these people car max in utah Hello, sir. We're giving you your update. They call updates every day updates updates zero deductible. It's still free It's going to take longer. We have it's more complicated, but we're so happy. You're completely covered. You're completely covered I love the sound of that completely covered You see the spirit got me that Warranty, I never get warranties. I never get warranties for anything I had that warranty it was six years in the spirit put it back in my mind Don't forget. You've got a car max warranty. It wasn't they didn't he couldn't find it in the system They had a call back to Cincinnati, you know, those are just I love those things. It's like icing on the cake Because I want for nothing. I'm I'm really content. You know, it's the spirit said No air conditioning. It's like, okay You know, it does it this was just one of those little tiny tiny little whims that come in and they happen A lot they've been happening to me for for over 25 years. It's quite convincing And and sometimes people say What about that? And I you know, anybody you ever remember in the old testament of the bible There was a guy that I was named after It goes way back before jesus and the psalms David David David We always I come out here and there's always davids in the audience King david. I was named for king david of the old testament. How many? Five davids in the room tonight Over there five davids in the house Five in the house. There's five davids enough. So king david. So anybody remember how does the 23rd song start? And I shall not want isn't that great Thousands of years go by and I'm still singing the same song From back then that's an old song That's an old song. The lord is my shepherd. I shall not want He maketh me lie down In green pastures lie down lay it down lay the world down. Don't try to fix the world Don't try to change it. Don't try to make it a better place. Don't try to improve it And when you have once what should you do with your one? Give them back to the holy spirit and say here you take it It's not served me And when you give your once and your preferences and your desires over to the holy spirit and you say here I give it to you then whatever comes back Including these whims and I mean there's a lots of them. This has not been a sacrificial journey. I've not ever I don't think I can ever remember In all in certainly in recent years many recent years where I had this thought of woe is me, you know You know that's a it's not a very Enlivening thought woe is me Yes, when I saw you David I guess in time it was a year and something ago And I was crying Because I had a roommate who was very ill And I was taken care of This roommate She had to have two knee surgeries. She was The crash had PTSD. She had all this And so I just started praying and I started you know Trying to give it over but mostly what I tried to do was forgive her, you know, because She came into my life and I thought she would be a partner And then I get to be her caregiver and that's not how it was supposed to work And I just worked on forgiveness and I worked on forgiveness And it was very hard. It was so hard for me Then I blew her social worker Has got her place of her own where she's only paying $300 a month for a very nice place in El Cerrito She moves over there. She gets her own IHS worker a wonderful woman In our whole relationship changes. I don't have to take care of her anymore And I start to get happy, you know, I start to like be able to be this friend And care for her and have a different relationship with So she had her knee operation in November And yesterday she was out walking without her walker She's better. She's happier. Everybody's happier So for me that was like my will that was like Okay, this thing that I have of taking care of people I don't do that anymore. I'm just gonna let that go. I'm gonna let relationships go I'm not gonna look for someone to be in my life in that way And I'm going to try to figure out what how do I get to the inner peace and happiness And I have an opportunity because I don't have This thing that I made In front of me And you said the thing that you said was what do you do when you're in a desert? And I was sitting there all crying and stuff. I had no idea and you said get out Leave Yeah, you said leave Jesus did that with Helen Shirkman one time to describe in the course What do you what do you do when you find yourself in a desert and Helen's like, what is this? I'm kind of riddle. What do you do? What what what Jesus gives her a little time then leave Yeah I'm supposed to leave and I would do that and I would just kind of let spirit kind of tell me what to do Yeah, this is what you do. You still have to kind of take care of her But there's other stuff that you've been doing don't do that and it just got easier and it just got easier You now have a roommate. She goes her way. She works. I go my way. I do my thing And it's so different. It is just so different and I want to thank spirit and you being the messenger Yeah, thank you that's beautiful witness because really The only thing that that actually spirit would have us give up is the belief in sacrifice That thing is so woven down in there with guilt And you know, and this is where caretaking in the egoic sense comes in dependency codependency all the things that the psychologists and psychotherapists say are heavy burdens And it's so beautiful that the course even uses metaphors like that the arc of peace is entered two by two You really were entering the arc of peace by giving up the heaviness of the idea that you personally Are personally responsible for another parents have this with children Partners have this with spouses and with and with mothers and fathers We do this with the government. We do with this with the poor We say there's the poor the needy who put them there Who puts the poor and the needy there, you know, Jesus says the ego peopled the world. He uses people as a verb He uses people as a verb The ego peopled the world And now you're regaining the strength of your divine mind By coming back and going these thoughts of sacrifice are not my Will for not God's will for me not my will to hang on to this burden So actually, isn't that what the bible isn't that what all spiritualities teach that if you will lay down your heavy burdens Give your burdens to the Lord Bring these sacrifice these false responsibility thoughts false needs false duties and so on and so forth And really we're back to that our one responsibility is to accept the atonement, which is called the correction Accept the correction in our mind for the error of the ego and be happy by accepting the correction That's our one responsibility He even says at one point you are not responsible for the error You are responsible for accepting the correction And a lot of people even who study the course They get all caught in this stuff. Well It's all projection. So I've heard course teachers say to people You are responsible for the starving children in Ethiopia. You are responsible. I mean, my god, if that goes on You are responsible for the holocaust. You are responsible for Everything they're trying to use the idea is if you're responsible for everything But but actually the true use of that responsible word is for correction We need to aim our responsibility to our state of mind Which is what you were doing and I can tell you're a lot happier. You're You're happier by doing that and you prayed you kept praying and praying, you know This wasn't kind of trying to dismiss something Push something away or whatever you actively took it to prayer and then these whims of having let's say a roommate that that Helps out with things and so on and so forth and where you can Go and let your creative joy extend and express is is freed up by this. So that's a great witness Sundari Well, I'm in a Raw place I have this feeling that The thing that started the real spiraling Was asking about trust Like praying for trust and not even knowing What I was asking of spirit but a feeling That I had lessons to learn about trust and what seems to have happened is Feeling separation everywhere In and he's sort of feeling the ridiculousness of the world and the rawness The death stuff going on today's the first anniversary of my mom's death and but just like Bodies and houses and things and everything and it's almost like not Being able to connect with anything somehow just a feeling of The illusion of everything around me and like really wanting People but it's it's it just feels Like a slippery slope and I feel like there's some And I've just gotten in a it's a spiral here of that just in this period And it's I have a feeling it's about trust, but I don't see Uh because I've really prayed for that. I mean and I and I heard you talking about trust earlier a lot And I do have I do Think that I really I mean that's the last thing I say at night The first thing in the morning is handing it over and handing over the agenda And yet I'm feeling in this spiral of something about trust And I just wondered if you could speak on that or anything I'm a little lost even with question. I want to ask except I think I think since trust catalyzed Everything going on that it has something to do with that That maybe I can't quite even see Yeah, I think we were in the car today with with gia gia was taking this around and And gia had gone through recently a period of high resistance and high fear And really intense fear and we were talking and and I think on was on the way over where you were saying like when you were Letting go I mean of seemingly letting go even though it's what's more of an integrating in it wasn't a real letting go But but everything that was where the the intensity You had to face the emotions that were arising Like you're doing you're facing the emotions that are Arising there's like a dismantling that's happening. You're like Instead of fumbling towards ecstasy you feel like you're tumbling down the rabbit hole like like you are Like alice they're going down and your limbs are going and there's nothing to grab on to and it's like a tumble You're like and then you were saying how how that Those those emotions have to be faced. It's the ego that's interpreting what's happening The ego does not like its own dismantling. Of course, it's not gonna like that it it wants to exist as a separate Entity apart from god and wants to have a personality self and a mask and it's proud of that mask When that mask starts to crumble when Humpty Dumpty Takes his big fall off the wall, you know, that's there's a dismantling. It's almost like a cracking Maybe you can speak to that because that was the point It's it's the most important point of the spiritual journey is being able to face Those and that actually was something that built your trust And I think that's actually what's happening to you your trust you've asked for trust and now It's going to grow and build stronger and stronger Yeah, because I feel like you know this pathway to and especially if If it is a pathway of a course miracles that actually a bottom-up approach What it means is that You know where the mind is at is to be Faced we're not to bypass anything to go straight to the ultimate truth and and constantly affirm the truth and hoping that by Affirming it or even understanding understanding it intellectually we will That that's achieved. It's not the case. We actually You know for in my own case, it's definitely a pathway of Going through the darkness toward the light and and allowing the darkness to be revealed To the consciousness in that that it is exposed to the light and then it will disappear And I remember at the beginning I asked this question a lot how to develop trust because That is almost emphasized a lot in the book But it is so much experience You know to say that I trust to say it means nothing And trust is is you know, whether we trust Or not we we know Like it in our daily life how we make decisions Because it's not that we don't trust is who we're trusting You know, it's the ego the way that we we make decisions with the ego the way that we look at everything Look at ourselves with the ego and we're trusting that and consistently Coming from that perspective or we give over our trust to a much bigger perspective the Holy Spirit's perspective And I feel like that is the the bigger perspective and trust trusting that is to be developed actually Because um, we we have given over all our trust to the ego and and I actually Jesus says in the in the course that in no circumstances Is no circumstance Do you know your best interest? So which means that in no circumstances Stands do we know how to make decisions to make ourselves happy? We do not know when the mind is so Caught up in the egoic way of thinking it lost it lose touch with its true identity. It does not know what happiness is anymore So every single time we make a decision in our life we actually You know, basically choosing happiness or pain. It's really just come down to that And then what we're practicing And it's very very practical and this trust that that we're developing is Is through a very practical Application, you know, it's not about more reading It's not about more group meetings more talking about it. It actually comes down to Every single decision that we're making in our lives and we have to develop This kind of trust by giving over our trust to the spirit to guide us And that is a very very important aspect of our practice Is that we let go of Our decision-making and we give it over to someone who truly loves us Who truly knows our best interests and who truly knows what Happiness means to us And by keep doing that keep doing that that is how we develop trust and eventually there is no separate thing called the holy spirit it is Yes, the experience will come we're down to us that is it is the self the true self that is still Remembering our source and still remembering God You know still remembering our self identity true identity that is guiding us all along But what what we're saying is that it is so practical that Let's not forget about our practice You know, let's not think this spirituality and our daily lives are actually separate That we can just come talk about it once a week, but you know in every single decision Is our choice of what we're developing and what we're strengthening Can I ask a question in this very line of thinking? So when you're in this process And your goal each day is well all the time is okay. I'm I'm hearing I'm doing Did you ever either one of you find that you get to this point where you Here's what I get to I feel like I want to hear the right one Not the wrong one because I want I'm really trying to engage in the life that I'm calling That I've called to do without knowing from day to day what it's going to be so Does the course says something like It doesn't really matter what you do either that either the course says that or you've said it David that The spirit doesn't care so much about the doings that we do And yet We're asked I know that the joy comes from when I hear it and I follow it Is joy So is there always a right? And wrong to what you're hearing. Is that how you discern? Does my question make any sense you mean right by joy? Is that joy you mean? Well, it's sometimes it's I feel like there must be something I'm called to do And I know it gives me that joy, but I It's very difficult I mean, I remember years ago I had that question and and I think it was around 2001. I was doing a gathering and I started using the world trade center It wasn't 2001 it was probably back in the 1990s maybe 1991 because I guess the trade centers came down in 2001 So it was about a decade before the world trade centers Collapsed and I was using the world trade center metaphor that it's like the mind when it's caught up in the ego It's like it's got all these floors Like the world trade center and you're like on the surface where the flag is blowing And there's all these beliefs underneath every decision you make Is filled is coming from it's a byproduct of all these thoughts and beliefs that are unconscious You know young called it the shadow the unconscious mind and I said And and really it's like starting off at the top floor and going down and Turning on the lights on all the in all the darkened rooms until you light up the whole I said this like a decade before the the towers got lit up You have to light them all up And and that can seem like a very long process to light up every dark closet room in the entire world trade center It could seem to take an enormous amount of time to light all that up However, I said if you can get into the basement There is a master switch You can light the whole place up at once with the master switch in the basement Now that's what you're asking you're asking me the difference between the right mind Lined up with God and spirit and the wrong mind, which is lined up with the ego That's light and darkness. That's love and fear never the twain will meet You know it's When you bring them together the darkness disappears the master switch is like the atonement Now the key is you're asking how do I tell the difference between the two? How do I know what's right and what's wrong right minded thoughts wrong minded thoughts? It's really causation every belief every belief every thought you have That believes in an external world that's supposedly apart from your mind people that are apart from you countries Events even even aliens the idea that there's life on other planets and We have visitors and all this everything apart of the projection That teaches you that there's something causative outside of mind or outside of your consciousness Is a wrong minded thought everything if you believe that there's an atom Just an atom or an electron apart from your consciousness Or let's say Mars, you know, if you say Mars is outside of my mind Mars is not in my mind. It's far far away No, it's not, you know everything in the cosmos all the black holes everything is in mind There's nothing but mind. There's no physical Universe that's what quantum physicists is They're showing us now They've been doing this for six almost seven decades saying now that there's no world apart from consciousness that if you change If the experimenter has a different assumption or a different thought it will change the experiment Quantum physics is teaching the same thing that Jesus has been teaching and all the mystics and saints that there is no external world So a wrong minded thought is just the thought that there's something outside of you And the one final realization the very simple realization that I call enlightenment is that there is nothing outside Of you there's nothing outside of of the I am that the I am presence that the There's nothing outside the mind When people say what about physical sickness there is that's a contradiction in terms It's all mental illness. It's all just holding on to thoughts and beliefs that God didn't create So every illness is mental illness We're not just talking about mental retardation Cancer is mental illness Heart disease is mental illness Being sad is mental illness You know being feeling guilty is mental illness So to me that was what I I took this process. I said, all right, Jesus. I need a lot of help I need a lot of help, but I'm here for you. I'm going to really go for this and he said good I've been waiting for this Let's get let's get busy and and that really is the the difference is Thinking of anything external and thinking that it has causation Thinking that the radiation from the Sun is causative thinking that that That there's such a thing As it as a disease as a transmitted disease as a sexually transmitted disease Thinking that there's germs that are flying through the air, you know All of science that it's empirical science Newtonian science That shows you that tries to actually magnify and say no, there are germs you got to be careful and Watch out for germs is that these external things can give you dis-ease. It's crazy. It's bizarre It's it's ridiculous You know, but I have but I just see past the forms when I go on a flight and I'm over in asian They're all wearing the mask and everything Oh, it looks so adorable, but I can't make sense of it I can't make sense of any of that stuff. I don't even believe in that stuff, but I they're adorable Everybody's just adorable because why because they're all in my mind I mean I have people after 20 some years 25 years of doing this they'll they'll come to me and they'll say how so and so Like I haven't seen so and so for 20 years I say they're great. Even though I haven't seen them for 20 years. I know they're great. Why are they great because I'm great They're me They have to be great Everyone in the universe is doing great How's donald trump doing he's doing great. Why because he's in my mind You've got trump donald trump in your mind Well, and the rest of all the the rest of the cosmos too, you know, it's the sameness that david was talking about What's the difference between bernie sanders and donald trump or hilly they're all the same Why are they the same because I'm the same I'm the same spirit. They're the same spirit Now that's non-judgment, you know, that's that'll put it into politics in a hurry It's hard to be political if everything's the same When people say who you're gonna vote for I'm like vote this strange idea I used to take it very seriously believe me. I used to take it very seriously But once you start to see that, you know, they'll talk about manifesting The whole key to awakening is seeing that there is no manifesting It's impossible to manifest. That's why I only have a small room for instead of hundreds of people lining up Doesn't that contradict what you've said just earlier about when you when you finally see the love and that's all there is I would consider the word manifesting being now that you see the expressions of that and everything So maybe if I'm just changing the definition Because I experienced that when I'm in love Oh my gosh, everything is so beautiful. And that's what I that's the verb I use on that process Is that accurate? Yeah, I mean it's it's it's like a merge It's it's it's useful. It's a useful stepping stone But in the end the reflections, of course, they're all reflections They're all the same. Yeah, okay So you really let go Of the outcomes of your decisions When you know what you feel you have listened I'm gonna follow rather than say well, wait, why would I do that? Yeah, you know to me it gets so simple, you know, I'll be just like feeling all this love and everything and then I hear this old Raised even song in my mind from ages ago. Jesus loves the little children All the children of the world Red and yellow and black and white they are precious in this like Jesus loves the little children of the world And then he breaks into a song everything is beautiful In its own way, you know, it's like, oh my god, it's so much love Old raised even song and you know, I I could just have a lot of these songs the spirit is like serenading me in my mind All these love songs love songs, but they're not like They're not like personal kind of love songs. They're like love songs for everyone and everything They don't have a limit And that's what we're talking about then you start to see everything as reflections because it has to it has to spread out like it has to become like There's has to be a merge finally with the reflection so that you you see even reflections kind of implies an inner and an outer But we already heard today from ami that the inner and god is the inner god is the outer god is here god is there It's it's everything so it that all has to collapse too Eventually it all collapses medical research like the green vegetables and avoid from Be less likely to get diabetes and all that or at least for the unenminded, isn't that Has some validity here No, it's symbols. It's like it's all causation that ultimately the spirit is like saying here's your playground of all these images you make the holy spirit neutralized at all remember those experiments when we were in chemistry and And we we put in the neutralizer and everything gets neutralized all the acid gets neutralized it's like the acidic Nature of sin has been neutralized in one instant sin was neutralized. That's good news This god this holy spirit neutralized error and sin in one instant. That's how long it took Now to accept that instant You start to draw you could say there's reflections people do that they'll say they'll say I was diagnosed with cancer and then I just prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and finally the spirit said here I want you to eat leafy green vegetables. I want you to change your diet. That's no small thing for most human beings change your diet I'm used to having burgers and Bacon burgers and triple meat burgers and all this and now what what did you say Jesus? green vegetables God And for some they go Okay, I'm so willing and then they eat the leafy green vegetables and everything they change their diet 100% and and their symptoms go away And they go, thank you. I I followed God. He told me to change my diet I changed my diet in the same way with people who who have an alcoholic problem a lot of times they pray They go through 12 steps. They go through a renewing of their mind They they they give over control to the higher power and they say I will do whatever I will follow I want to heal and then they they stop drinking Some some of them will never touch an alcoholic drink ever again in their entire lifetime Others kind of reach this place where they start getting all lovey-dovey And then they get into the 13th step. They're like what? The course of miracles is their 13th step the continuing practice, you know the connection with the higher power All of a sudden the course slips and they go, oh whoa 13th step Wow, I didn't know that was there and then they dive into that and they go, oh wow This is purification blessed of the pure of heart for they shall see God. Whoo. This is full stuff But that's a step along the way That's a whim for somebody who's Who has cancer and who is saying I want to be cancer-free so I can go on with my lessons I'm not ready to check out quite so fast. Yeah, that's a that's magic But it's still a miraculous expression That Jesus and Holy Spirit use all kinds of symbols along the way So that can definitely be one People exercise they eat and this and this they still try to tell me the difference between organic and inorganic. I don't get it But that's what happens when you're going for enlightenment She says cost You'll pay twice the amount right just twice as much for a burger and twice as much for organic It's all symbols. So we have to to do that. Francis and I one time we went over we were in Arhus, Denmark, and we got invited to this loft This man opened up his loft in a in like a real factory kind of district And so we're there and we're going to go to this loft over with a little weekend or something this man several days or whatever four-day retreat and outside of the loft right across from when you come out of the loft and you're in this kind of district There's a slaughterhouse There's a slaughterhouse right across from the loft and the loft has been donated for us to do it So every day we go up we go do our gathering we come down and then the next day up and down People would come up into the loft. They would be sick They would do sick just walking right by a slaughterhouse and coming up to our gatherings Now the Holy Spirit had to have set that up because you know The Holy Spirit is trying to get us into the sameness of all things and we people are walking so I think one of the days I I Love everything so I came down and I went and I just went over to the slaughterhouse and here were all these rows these cattle were Going through these rows and then they were going right into the slaughterhouse So we had a lot of telepathic communication. I went and I was gazing into the eyes of these cows And basically and they were like looking at me and they were very frightened, you know It was what was happening. I was looking at them with all this love and compassion And they were very frightened and they were very confused like what is happening What is happening here? We have this communication going on and everything but again In the experience that christ talks about where you see there's no external world All that was was opportunities to send love and blessing and isn't that what we have every day With our family members with our coworkers with our friends with our pets and our animals And sometimes in our we love our pets so much. We cuddle them We love them We feel completely joined and one with our pets And yet here was a situation where I'm looking in the eyes of cattle that are In line to be slaughtered and I was just telling him With great assurance Everything is all right. Everything's going to be okay. Like you might comfort A child who is having a nightmare or a person a friend you you comfort you bless You have all the love in the universe in your heart. You want to extend that And so that's what I was was just doing just extending that well And also then when we get into the session those are kind of a lot of the questions we got asked about vegetarianism killing suffering Loving all sentient beings. What does that mean? What is the sentient being? You know, what does that mean? We got asked all the questions all the buddhist questions all the questions of the universe Come into our gatherings because it was a setup to have A four-day retreat right across from the slaughterhouse. It just was given us to do that So then we we go into these concepts very very deep and then I'll have like vegetarians writing to me David you murderer, you know people They they project all the thoughts And I'm simply teaching that when you're totally aligned with with spirit You you are the love you extend the love and that's all we're here to do is extend the love Everything that seems to be an external world including external animals is just an opportunity to extend the love And it's very much like the forgiveness that you talked about for many people. They were like, well, this is steep Forgiveness, this is really steep forgiveness and sometimes it does seem that way, but but we have to be Convinced by the spirit that we are the one like in everyone likes the matrix Neo, you shift those letters around and it's one You are the one we're being told that by the spirit all the time, but we have to be convinced of it And as long as we believe there is an external world Then we believe in murder we believe it's possible to murder the christ to murder the buddha Because the buddha is one the christ is one we believe in an external world. We're denying the buddha. We're denying the christ So this is very practical at coming to wholeness and completion Not by airy fairy not by skipping things over Putting blinders on turning the turning the other way saying I don't even want to see that No, you have to be willing like a friend of mine and a student of mine for way back, you know, she Whatever she would have a real difficult issue with I would would work with her like she She hated christian tele evangelists, you know Okay, be saved in the blood of jesus and now donate We only need a seven hundred dollars to reach our goal today But we'll give you a little flower here and if you go into the next category of a thousand We'll give you a purple flower And oh, she hated tele evangelists and she hated them with the passion. So I said, well I think you should turn on the 700 club And turn on a cable tv channel, but it's just I said watch them all day But I said take notes of your emotions. Watch your tele evangelist and she's Just Hated hated those tele evangelists, but it was part of her forgiveness She's getting in touch with her thoughts her judgmental thoughts Of the tele evangelist then another time I said, oh come and watch the matrix with me at first She was going to watch the matrix and she's oh, I said watch the matrix. No, I can't it's such a violent movie It's too violent. It's too violent too violent She said I'll give it a try. She could only watch five minutes of the matrix and then she turned it off too violent So then I said why don't you go back to the matrix now and journal Pause and journal all your thoughts about the matrix movie Guns bullets You know, whatever just journal journal journal She did and eventually she came to me Where she watched the matrix enough and journal enough that she said come David. I'm taking you out to the iMac theater To watch the matrix with me. So we went to the iMac theater. We sat like in the third row like this Trinity's nose was this big When you're in the third row of iMacs, you know, it's everything Neo everything's like this and she sat there with me the whole movie. We watched the entire matrix And she didn't have one violent thought she was like a little girl. She was so happy at all the teachings You are the one all the things were coming through And then at the end we sat there in the theater and we could hear the comments of all the people around us how Wonderful all the meanings they saw how excited they were So she drew forth all these reflections of Of wisdom and clarity and let go because I tell people there is no such thing as a violent movie Judgment in the mind is violent What did Jesus teach? Judge not lest you be judged, you know It's in the mind. It's not the movies. I've never ever seen a violent movie Once I realized that the judgment was in the mind and I let go of the judgment I could sit there and watch Cape Fear uh dog day after what's the one some of those movies um What's some of the most gruesome psycho Um, Texas chain called chainsaw massacre I could watch them all, you know, I I would be there Nope, nothing, you know go to the scariest. Was there some hitchcock movies or the ring or You know, it didn't matter. What was that one? Um With Brad Pitt and Gwyneth Paltrow seven seven all the seven deadly is so What's the second lesson of A Course in Miracles? I have given everything I see all the meaning it has for me There are no violent movies You see how how deep this is. I mean I've watched a movie on the Dalai Lama I did a whole session with a group. It was the whole movie was awakening. It was it was the story of the Dalai Lama And after we watched this movie it was a couple hours And it was they they took a lot of the progressive thinkers from the west Fred Allen Wolf Some of the ones that you see and what the bleep, you know the quantum physicists All of them went over there all these progressive western thinkers to spend time with the Dalai Lama They got sick the progressive seekers got sick. They argued with each other They had quantum physicists arguing you're trying to dominate the conversation. No shut up You see all these great pillars out here in the bay area all this stuff We you know all these progressive thinkers you get them in there with the Dalai Lama in India And they're way out of their comfort zones, you know, they're saying I've got an ego I know I do but I'm upset about this and this and it just was like this So we did that as a mind-watcher to show how deep this goes how deep down the rabbit hole do you want to go? You know We can we get to the point like the lady in the movie when they were starting to Try to get into action like we should do something about the chinese and And this oppression and and this dominance and chasing you out of Tibet I think he was chased out of Tibet in like 1959 They showed footage of him having to be disguised as a regular person and they had to get him out of Tibet So finally they all these progressive thinkers and they're trying to come up with how how can we Solve this Tibet issue and one lady stands up and she said I think we need to look at the Tibet in our own minds This lady stands up and it's like whoa Get the speck You know get the log out of your own eye before you get the speck out of your brother's eye is what jesus taught He was teaching about perception two thousand years ago Purify your perceptions love your enemies Bless those who curse you if someone is smite you on one cheek turn the other cheek. Yeah Let's go for the completion of this thing. It's beyond reincarnation. Hallelujah. It's beyond karma hallelujah I went into a shop the other day. I was in park city utah and I went in and it was Good karma I go into good karma to have a tea a shy tea And I went in and I go I got my iphone out and I said What's your password for your Wi-Fi they said instant karma John Lennon song instant karma instant karma is going to get you So they knock you right up in that side of the head Better get yourself together pretty soon. You're going to be dead Why in the world are we here? You don't have to live in pain and fear and why on earth are you there when you're everywhere Everywhere Going to get your share John Lennon quantum physics Beatles It's everywhere. You should see how happy I was. I'm like look at this. The password is instant karma My favorite John Lennon song is the is the password for the Wi-Fi Another whim. It's like me getting two double cheeseburgers for 250 That's all it doesn't take much for me. It's all the same It's it's glorious when when you just start to see that the universe is just singing to us all the time Like it's it's singing wake up. What's Gina's new blog Blog talk thing going to be wake up wake up now. She we were helping her come up with a she wants to do a blog Blog talk. What is it called podcast? She wanted to do a podcast that she wanted to come up with a name. So she she came up with it. We were like, yes Wake up now I don't think that's copyright I think that's universal Yes, I was just gonna say I grew up on a farm and so we did have to slaughter our animals and things like that But our dad taught us that you you thank it. You bless it and you extend gratitude And just like the happiness you have when you had instant karma. So it's and I think the native americans also honored their Animals and so I think there's a lot to learn from that. Yeah, I also wanted to mention when the first site you you Talked about polyanna like it is sort of a derogatory that like people think we're polyanna Well, I don't know if you've ever read the book about polyanna, but she learned how to play the happy game Yes, and I don't think it's such a Yes, it isn't yeah, I know the story of polyanna. So it's it just kind of gets a negative connotation but actually I don't understand that either. I think it's it's it's good to be have happy stories like that And you might have remembered Marla Morgan's book mute message down under where the aborigines, you know, they would basically They would like They would have people that would go out like hunters, but they would telepathically communicate that this one is giving up for the service of Of of joy for the service of divinity this one's choosing to give up. It was there was no accidents It wasn't the killers and the victims was like all Telepathic that that you know when the bible says all things work together for good there aren't no the course says there are no exceptions Except in the ego's judgment that even what we would say a slaughterhouse even what we would say Nazi Germany Or what went on with Stalin and we look at throughout human history The the ego doesn't want the mind to see that All of the world is a dance. It's really one happy dance Which in which everything is working together for good. It's the highest state of mind And only the ego splits it up into Again the split gets projected from consciousness out there to the victim the victimizer the one who's done to and the one Who's doing the doing, you know, it it's a whole projection of cause and effect When actually there are no causes and effects in the world all of our sciences Except now quantum physics is going past that but our Newtonian sciences are based on for every action There's a reaction physics is even based on false cause and effect. So You know for me, that's what was good about those 10 years of university is I learned all this stuff about how the world operates And then I got to a point where it's like you want to be happy you're going to have to let it go now all of it Because all of those cause effect relationships are spurious. It's all a decision Nothing happens to anyone by accident not even to the animals, you know, it's not like You know, people will say well who would choose to be slaughtered That's a wrong-minded thought and a wrong-minded decision You know, no one in their right mind would choose to be sick. No one in their right mind would choose to die No one in their right mind would choose to suffer It brings it back to that question about I want to know more about the discernment between the right mind aligned with god spirit in the wrong mind The egoic mind, that's a good question. That's what I've spent the last 25 years doing I literally gave up academia. I gave up ambition I gave up pursuits family All kinds of things not as a sacrificial way, but because I it was too important for me to wake wake up And to discern with god to live a life in alignment with god. That was too important. I was willing to let go everything else For that one pursuit So this morning I heard him say the only goal is to have no goal Is that what you would agree with that? I would say that while you believe in goals, then the peace of god is a good goal peace of mind While you see ambitions and all that, but it's not a future goal In other words most of the time people associate what Mooji is basically saying is Have no goal is have no future goal And yet anybody who knows any spiritual discipline will take takes discipline and devotion on this path You know people say, oh, how do I twink my nose? Do I for enlightenment twink twink? Click with the heels It takes devotion and it takes practice. We were talking about trust how Didn't you say that to somebody one time when somebody asked you how to trust? I was told you were told I was asking and I was told I asked how to develop trust and I was told To the way to develop trust is start trusting Start going that direction Yeah, it's a practice and it's a practice until it becomes the state of mind So In other words, we never say skip over the practice There's a lot of non-dual teachings that will just say you are that And everyone's like in the audience Okay, you know, it's like All right, you know, we're saying no, there's an experience that you are that really it's true But it's but practice the the Course in Miracles for me was a practice The Course in Miracles to me is By far the greatest book on the entire planet And I love it because first of all it says it's only one path on the universal curriculum. It doesn't proclaim It's the only way Would you like that about a teaching that doesn't proclaim? It's the only way I like that. I'm like, oh good. That's that gets my attention The other thing about it is though, it's it's from Jesus Now Jesus is an actual Awakened mind. He actually is that thing that Byron Katie talks about loving what is That is is Christ is call it whatever name you want. That's that so so it's a practical tool with a Manual a workbook and a text and it's just the pathway I took now Now is it any better than any other path? No, it's all the same The Course is the same as everything to me. I mean, I've taught classes where I would welcome people to write things on their exams and one of my students I said pick some pick a topic that's dear to you And write about it on your final exam So one of my students wrote on Satanism That's delightful. I've never loved reading this exam on satanism and sure enough I found some really nice thoughts. He had some really good thoughts that really resonated with me But he just called it satanism Nobody I don't even believe in this idea of separate beliefs now You know, I it was my responsibility to love everyone and to see that this idea of separate People having separate beliefs is crazy You know, I don't care what they say they believe atheism great. Ah, come here I'm an agnostic. Oh great. Let me give you a hug I'm a satanist. Okay, give me a hand. I don't really care what people profess to believe in because why it's not true There's not a single belief. That's true Not even a single one What did the Beatles say? Oh, you need is love Do we know that's true? Oh, we can feel the resonance when we sing that song We can sing it with our hearts because we know that Love is all there is Love is all there is, you know, that's the thing and and yet we also have to to see that no beliefs are true So that's why I'm not trying to see who's got the correct beliefs or the right beliefs when they're all Insane the ego made up the beliefs We should have a clue about the beliefs from the idea that the ego made them up God was it's like, I think I'm going to create some beliefs now I'll create some different beliefs some separate beliefs. No way That's not the creator of love, you know So so in the end, it's not really important what you believe Except I would say to forgive is a belief too and that's the one belief That you devote your life to It's still an illusion because in heaven there's nothing to forgive but While you believe you're on earth It's safe to aim for that one And that's a good good belief Gotta touch my watch Okay, well, I hope we have some time to hug and share some things. Oh, and there's a There's some flyers, too. Let's see There's a donation basket out there And if you want to write a check it's to living ministries Living church ministries ink And dig is going to be at Tony's community miracle center on may 22nd And in san francisco And then there's a conference He's going to be at in estus park, colorado, june 16th to 18 Two hundred ninety nine dollar retreat fee weekend of freedom Weekend of freedom where I'm sure we'll get into the idea of what do you want freedom of the body or freedom of the mind For both you cannot have That's an interesting topic For both you cannot have Again the spirit pointing the direction It's also gary renard's there and maria felipe And dump fishmen So there's there's some other people and if any of you are interested there's Some flyers they would have books on the table out there and people will know if they want them how much they are How does one know Is that printed out at the back is printed out on the back or something? Yeah, something like that something like that. There's some spirit Well Show you the price somewhere And thank you all for coming And thank you for coming And one more announcement On may 7th kirsten and ricky from living miracles will be in san rafela gym it's um Well, there's a flyer here from 11 a.m to 1 p.m And it's at her place Probably on the website too like living miracles.org The other two things is there's a pad of paper I'm like this was very quick. This was like a week that I knew you were coming or a week Yes, very spontaneous. You know happened really fast. So if for some reason I don't have your email If things you know happen fast and you want to know there's a pad of paper We could just put your name and email and then I find out And um, probably we just find out anyway and there's some food back there There's some fruit and chips and stuff and there's teas here And besides those teas I have millions of other teas In case you have urges for teas The coffee you kind of make yourself Wims tea wins tonight. It's all the same. Guess your team is Oh, yes, yes, and we have lifts for back up the hill if you'd like Definitely And lift to bark for whoever needs that or unless somebody's going by that way And my son and I Helping to get people where they want to go so we can give you lifts up the hill. That's fine There is