 Alright, thanks for staying with us. Now a Nigerian lady identified as Doris Amma broke down in tears in a video she shared on social media after a travel agent gave her a fake visa for 2.5 million. While some are of the opinion that the visa application is easy and can be done independently without needing an agent, we can help but to feel her plight. The dwindling state of things in Nigeria keeps fueling this JAPA syndrome trend or the trend and fraudsters are starting or they've been taking advantage of that situation so we want to ask today what are your thoughts on this visa scam and this JAPA trend that is happening right you know what's the best approach for it now please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 0818034663 you can also tweet at us at we show Africa one with the hashtag we show we're gonna thread us to that we show Africa yes so I have to put that in my we have to increase that now so you have to thread us everywhere now so it's important for us to first of all establish like a foundation for this conversation ways is not just an issue we're actually very passionate about young people we're passionate about the things that affect the Nigerian youth of course again by extension the African youth and if you look at the trends you know the people that are actually you know rushing to get their passports and all of those things are young people just trying to go and get better lives for themselves and these are the people that have decided you know what I don't want to go into fraud stars I don't want to do anything in a lot of these young people are really really help them on this and what's called on the going that jack parameter because they just feel like if I go to another climb I'll do better I'll earn better income I'll live a better life right so it's a no brainer if you go on especially on YouTube right most of those sponsored ads and most of those things that come out on your timeline you see oh how to migrate to Canada even on Instagram I was getting a lot more right how to migrate to Canada the right way how to migrate to the US even now when Canada decided you know what they can convert your visiting visa into a work permit if you're able to get a job you know that's something trended so much if I had to ask so many people finally when I believe that okay it is true was when a friend of mine that lives in Canada told me that oh no now it's possible you can actually convert your Canadian visitors visa to a work permit they'll give you a work permit to be able to stay there and work so what I'm saying all of this is you're young you're always online right I don't know how people still fall victim of visas come so I get it because I've been trying to do some visa applications trust me it's frustrating especially the US embassy that I mean US visa portal like you're literally feeling a form right NJ in two seconds it locks you out so once you quickly type in your details and everything just copy your your that's form number so that because as it looks you keep on re-logging in at some point I got tired so the last applications I did the last set of applications I did I had to call my sister that is in the US do you know the thing didn't look out one second she filled up all the form I was on the phone with her telling her the things to help me she was able to fill up the phone for me and all that with I didn't have because it is really frustrating and that's why you see that when you go to especially with the US embassy if you go to the embassy please you see all those people oh you want free form you want to do this they are so there's a thriving market around the bottlenecks that people face in just obtaining a visa so there's a thriving market for that so in that thriving market there are sincere people that will truly help even are we talking about dates getting dates or interview there are sincere people that will truly help you get those things but in that sincerity we have like a number a couple of what's called and a huge number of fraudsters within that space so how this girl was able to fall victim for this I don't know but I can say to I mean to anyone visa is something visa application is something that all you need to do is to go online and find out you see a lot of information you understand what's case scenario what's case scenario I don't even know what to say now maybe what's case scenario is now there are certified bodies you understand that have like licenses to help you with all those applications but what are your thoughts have you ever fallen victim of visa scam and you know what happened because you will be you are the internet you are one before but I have heard and I've read about you know different people who have gotten into that's pretty good and but for this particular instance I was wondering first of all okay 2.5 million I'm wondering what visa application cost that much are you is that 2.5 million for the entire family or just for one person and then I went reading and I was researching and I saw that oh recently I think in March or so some I can't remember his name I didn't put it down but he was arrested in you know and he was charged with I think 11 counts Bodhrin on forgery bribery this so he's one of this kind of people who but unfortunately for him he got caught he's a scam he's a scammer so he's a visa scammer that's what they call him so he's a visa scammer he scams on Canadian visa so he tells you you know he'll help you out he's an agent and he'll help you out with your visa application and you pay and then you know when they're questioning you they always ask you questions like how much you charge and all that and he charges all the way to 1.7 million for a one month visa Canadian visa I'm like it's it's amazing and you know it's amazing that people still fall victim for things like this but we all fall victim for something yeah but for something like this the information is out there if you Google you know the websites to get the application or how do I apply a lot of people put it on social media so these things are out there the information is out there so the fact that people are always on social media and yet they for you know this is borderline going back to the fact that we have a poor educational system here yes because yeah go ahead yes I think me how do I put it because we're so used to I mean we're all quite educated here so it seems very absurd you know that you can just Google it and stop but you notice that a lot of people are just they just have a phone and they don't really know the capacity of what you can get from the internet like I recently downloaded the chat GBT thing because a friend of mine was talking about it of how he edits all his emails via that and it will shock you that as far as this thing is spreading there's still some areas you know where it's just phone call or it's just they just get the smartphone and all they want to do is just tick tock you know can see that we have likes and something but reviews they're always reviews on things you know they're always reviews on even people so I don't know how you know she got into that phase because you are smart enough to do a video of you crying that has gone viral now on a star block but you were not an individual you know able story yeah able to do your due diligence you know via just go really like literally just Google like how much is this supposed to get and so let me explain something getting obtaining a date for visa interview right now some people charge as high as somebody called me sometime last year said to get them that he can get dates and all that it was going to try to maybe four million are less experts experts wait now you they talk say you can Google we're in the Google with you Google it that it will tell you that it's for millionaire is the price Jonathan I'm saying what is happening here is that people are taking advantage of the problem that we are facing and then using it as because now I have someone that if you want to get a date she can charge you as as low as 200k or 150k Jonathan but somebody called me and said I can give you a date for formula and I said for what and I said okay okay so in my head I was thinking for the family no part head I wanted I was waiting for you to ask you that's for your entire family no for part head so when he said like do you hear yourself like you literally I mean I think if I check my phone I will still see that chat you literally think I'm that desperate to travel outside of the country and spend four million there just to get a date I guess that I'm not sure where to a date that I am not sure that I'm even going to be given the visa now that is one somebody else also called me and said okay there's this something that they're doing with the US blah blah blah I should come and pay $40,000 to get the visa I say for what is it say I'm the wrongest person to scam because for me if you have access to $40,000 then well guess what a lot of people doing it now what now blew my brain one of us here what the uncles told me how somebody paid $500,000 for this in Canadian migration something to get passport and it was fraudulent which passports Canadian migration so I'm trying to explain to you that this thing okay no okay it's not adding up we'll take a break when we come back from the break it to add up to you stay with us open our full lies I live I literally want to hear how much people have spent in the name of visa yeah still with us you all still watching ways the ladies are still arguing whether the $500,000 is a lie or is it true no problem so it's a ladies night out and we're discussing this visa scam if you've ever been scammed before or you know somebody have been scammed you understand oh you're still currently going through a scam just tell us you understand please let's hear what you remember you can join the conversation send us an SMS so what's up to the rate one 803 4663 can also treat us at Weshaw Africa one with a hash tag we show you can thread us on at Weshaw Africa as well yeah our phone line is now open the number to call is 0702 5007 749 that's the number to call remember turn off the volume of whatever devices that you're calling us from so we can hear ourselves it is no ridiculous and I'm telling you the first thing hey hey and it's the truth right so this guy that calls me up for instance that says I should come and pay four million there for a date we can still be here for a date four people will be worth wait for people four times four is what one 16 million yes how ridiculous is that $16 is how much no I'm telling you my entire family out to holiday somewhere in the seaside you know so I'm so I'm trying to tell and this one I'm saying it is not now it's not like today was I made like three or four years ago the formula is less less even you know let's let's that's ridiculous for $500,000 yes yes you know and you listen it might sound ridiculous to you but I can tell you for free how much people have paid in the name of relocation right the only people that are escaping these things are two people you are patients and the kind of person that is ready to one do the work because guess what all you need is information and that's why I say that that's why I'm very passionate about transformative education right because if you have you know if you are educated right there is no way you fall victims for all of these kinds of things once you are educated right a lot of people don't want to do the research they don't even have the other energy cell don't want one check on anything but I can tell you for free so many you can actually make say let me tell you something now we even the current situation of how the visa structure is right now in Nigeria it has even made it worse you understand it has made it worse for somebody like me that I am very comfortable I feel my forms there's no visa I have gotten in this life do understand that I've not filled my form myself I've not done the what's called all my bookings of my hotels my everything I do it booking on my date but myself do understand but when you go onto the app and you're seeing so most of these agents they've gone to block block block all those things so that you understand they can get people to patronize them so how do you expect to you know to to beat that so the only way I think that some of these scams whatever can can you probably pipe down a little bit is if first of all they relax some of the the bottlenecks within the embassies because if I am browsing from Nigeria right I would experience a lot of glitches but if somebody is abroad that's why now what people are doing now I saw it in one of this there's a guy that his specialty is to help you relocate to Canada and USA and he's saying it now I saw it on his Instagram post he said it that you can actually send your details to somebody living abroad just like what I did they'll help you fill the form it is actually very very stressful but you they can still scam you now oh no but they can't scam you because at the end of the day you're the one that would be no you this kind of things are friends and family I would never have done that if it's not my blood my sister do you understand if it's not my sister so I'm saying to you so my point I'm trying to make is until this jackpot trend and it's not going to drop anytime soon because guess what as I'm talking to you now I have like four families that are living this September that's why for me it's not just being educated it's being informed yeah you're always if you're always on social media they are posts to follow if you see if you type in visa application you see a few people who you can follow on Instagram that just give advice and then you know what to do so you see I understand education you don't even need it half of these people who you call uneducated who are falling victims on social media they're on Instagram they're on TikTok they're posting and as much as people are posting you know social you know content people are also posting informative content and educated content so be informed see it's you know the lack of knowledge is not the excuse that is nice excuse you so it's not just you saying or you fell victim is based on your ignorance you have you haven't yes you have the knowledge of the power a lot of these people where do you get 2.5 million from in this hard time in this hard time and then you go and you do not do proper proper background check come on so the person that told me to bring $40,000 let me know where you stay no way off let me explain something to you you see let me tell you something people are forgetting that no matter how informed some people are I'm telling you that people like or still for victims you know why there is a bit of desperation there you see me like I did like this now there's nothing you can do to shake me or add to me if I was desperate I would have I would have gone ahead to make that payment yes because the visa wait now the visa gives me access to a lot of things you know and for somebody that you want wait now for somebody that you want to do so many things right you you don't mind having that handy right and that's what I'm so grateful to the US government right extending our visas to 5 years I like Canada on it is the length of your passport that gives you the length of your visa so it's so it just gives you that it blocks of your mind okay whatever you want to travel it is an image you don't have to start looking for a visa so that's one side desperation right is what causes a lot of these things if I was desperate I would have taken that offer but you see when I started asking questions wait now desperate in the sense that a lot of these people that have blocked of their my first of all they don't believe that there's anything else that they can make in Nigeria like they can't end any income again I cannot do anything again the only thing I can see myself doing is that if I leave this country my life will be better so at that point when your state of mind is there there is nothing anybody will tell you do you understand that will bring you back and if anybody tells you at that point that Mary with only 500,000 I can get you this I can get you that Mary you cough out that money even if you are a popper 500,000 Mary even if it was 10 million they call it no sister even if they I'm telling you that's what I'm you're comfortable you don't get it so you are not comfortable here you are still good you're not among the people that are their customers that's what I'm saying so when you are that state of mind where it seems like you know what it's either I do this or I die right anything at that point that anybody tells you to do you will do it so that's where these people are now when this guy asked me to bring that $40,000 I said okay no problem will it guarantee the visa no what would it give me where you know the thing is there yeah so what are you doing exactly do you know what I'm saying and you tell me okay so we drive it to pay everything I want yes I need to pay everything at once before they file in I say uh-huh so you don't have anything at stake it is all my money that will be I say don't worry I'm not that desperate I actually like the idea for the visa but I was not that this I was not desperate but guess what I know so many people that are still dragging now in court on top of that matter so I'm saying to you that you see your state of mind must be ready to say okay you know what whatever happens if it works fine if it doesn't work fine that way you now go through the legal process and some people are in a hurry I know people that have taken two years to get their documentation to be able to file and everything now they finally got in their visa two years do understand some people say no no no no I can get it for you in three months I can get it for you in one month and you say it's okay okay okay that's what happens so all of these things are tied to desperation if you're not desperate you can never fall victim of any kind of scam as far as I'm concerned and you know the systems why you laughing for me I still stand by I don't get it but I on the other hand I understand your point of view you know desperate times call for desperate measures but I don't have 2.5 million to pay nobody to get me no visas I'm here I'm Nigerian and I'll stay until I can find my own way out I'll make sure it doesn't cost me and I'm on the leg and a video on Instagram crying so I think people should moving forward people should try and get involved informed it's it's okay to be on your phone you know out of 24 hours to be on your phone for about for more than half of the time but try and get informed try and learn something new every day if something if you really have the time to save 2.5 million it means because when you're this is how I think about it when you're doing when you're putting down 2.5 million you're trying to save 2.5 million which is a lot of money that's a percentage for that kind of a girl yeah you understand for that kind of a girl I won't even do it and I don't have it to do so you to do 2.5 million listen to this calculation for you to do 2.5 million just for the visa you know that after the day I think I don't know if they still they still do those charges where after you're being granted the visa you pay another sum at the embassy I don't need they still do that no that's your visa fees not a particular thing so after that you're gonna buy a ticket so when even when you were doing that form when you said that formula and I was thinking with this no buy one two three I asked the guy I said would they be ticketing but he said no ma I just want the other package deal and I asked him I said people pay this he said yes I would rather do a holiday to see shows go with somebody I suppose so someone let's go down to wait talking like this because you have option listen you're going to you're going to need to pray wait now you're going to need to buy a ticket let me tell you need to when the time for that listen when the time for that ticket money comes it will also show up you are talking like this because you have options do you understand you need to put yourself no you need to put yourself in the state of mind where these kinds of people are they have not seen you know when somebody has completely lost hope that there is no other option for me I have to do this and don't be sure may use that let me tell you something don't be sure this same girl right she does no mind saving money again but this time around she will try to ensure that it is the right people she's talking to the problem is I want to save the country and her friends and people around her the people who are going to who she's going to have to scam to get 2.5 million or to get money that's what we're saying let's tell ourselves the truth this girl doesn't look I'm not saying that she's not working but she doesn't make enough money to want to put down 2.5 million for visa if you if minimum if you're going to school your minimum school fees even for a BGD is like you're looking at anything more than about from 5,000 pounds if it's pounds or and that is based on discount hmm so are you not thinking about your survival like it doesn't make sense and this is the kind of thing that we keep doing so you get the visa you you borrow money again or you have to scam people in order to find you to get money to buy a ticket and then you get there and then you become a liability to them and then they keep coming back to say that Niger and that is the reason why this process would be elongated because as much as people want to come people are going there and giving Nigeria a bad name so that's the reason why they would hold on to all your passport so that if you are a lot of you wouldn't be able to travel it's not because they don't want the airlines to make money but you're going to their country and rather than being a good citizen you're going there and causing catastrophe and adding to their problems and I want to say to anybody that really wants to jack up and people a lot of countries and have really really relaxed on some immigration laws because they are actually looking for certain kinds of skills so instead of going through all these people that will scam you you understand why don't you check the if you for if you follow the news get yourself informed rightly like NJ said right get yourself informed because they are you can become a truck driver you can come a farm whatever it is that is your craft is your skill if there are so many countries looking for it did you hear that Germany has opened up their their borders you know to Nigerians as well because now they are seeing what how Canada is benefiting from it because what they are looking for is just that they don't want burdens they want skilled workers they want you to bring your capacity your whether it is your your work of your hand or your intellectual capacity to their country and add value to them and of course as in adding value also they would also add value to you because you are paying taxes and all of that they give you better healthcare better amenities better infrastructure so why would somebody wake up because for me to go and pay 2.5 million dollars to this time I know first of all that that route was not a legal route is there somebody there Loma your life hello can you hear us hello can you hear yes your life hello can you hear us this is Loma from India states it is it is too much too much expression that makes people to fall asleep too much expression I'm not being contented with where you are people in this Nigeria are doing well I'm making as me in this country one of the people that are you know what but people here will be thinking that it's good before you know it expression will set in they will start looking for a way to go to that place before you do the full effective of trust car they should see what God has given to you be contented with where you are but I want to ask you my sister this what would I tell my mother about the meaning of this chapter my mother you go here okay how can I explain it to her if I see that people the chapter you must be look at me what does it mean in my language oh yeah thank you for the help us jackpot is say oh the seller of a seller what's jackpot running like you want to run away in Igbo from Nigeria in the Aguafu from Nigeria in the Aguafu that's jackpot in the Aguafu like you want to jackpot I want to run away yeah just people trying to run away from the country to find a better life that's just yeah majorly what it is if you know it's just Nigerians always thinking that the grass is greener on the other side that's it until you get there and then Nigerians are there washing dead bodies and doing ridiculous kind of jobs come on what people see Nigerians need to get to the point where we understand our own authority and our value we need to stop devaluing ourselves I know that things are bad in the country but running away without a plan is as good is as bad as you just jumping off third main land bridge because really you go that you become a liability you either end up in jail or you end up back in this country with nothing and yet made to start from the beginning meanwhile you come back to this country and your mates that you left here who thought you were you know leaving prosperous in out of the country they become governors and then you are back to square one begging the same way you got out I think it's also a mindset you know because some people would actually rather prefer to be in jail in your world so fine because they'll get fed everything I mean you understand so it's it's it's all a mindset I don't know why anyone would want to be in that state of mind but I just hope people can learn from mistakes at least when you don't have to always I feel like you don't for me how I live my life I don't always have to fall victim I learn from other people's mistakes so that it doesn't you don't always have to tell the same story make your own mistakes but you know the way they say that people that are living abroad that they always falling victim of their relatives when they will send them money to them build house jealous and always falling victim of them they will come back and they will just see foundation I mean when they be sending money for 10 years hoping to see a mansion when they arrive it's the same thing with all this real estate company popping up here and there and all of that where do you see most of these real estate companies it is it is they are targeting the aspirants most of them their businesses are the aspirants that are buying those properties so you would think that somebody will be smart enough to say no I cannot fall victim or let me go and get people top real estate companies in Nigeria like you understand so Google is your friend right it's not a cliche it is it's actually there's absolutely nothing you're looking for go to YouTube but you know you have to find a way to identify the fake account and all of those things because there are ways to always determine this thing you just need to have that will power but please above all let's avoid you know avoid desperation is it Sam we have quickly Sam you have like a minute you waited for the end of the show to be calling Sam you're alive quickly go ahead your life quickly go ahead Sam you can hear you we can hear you we have to go sorry Sam I think maybe the phone lines had issues because I really would have loved to hear what people have to say about this but thank you so much ladies we had fun if you've not joined thread yet go join and follow all of us yeah I don't become ambassador because I must blow on that up it seems I've not I have not blown on the other apps this one I must blow this opportunity I cannot miss this opportunity alright thank you so much ladies now before we go and show you couple of us across all social media handings that we show after you can interact with us further drop a comment and more importantly follow all our engagement and social media like share invited families and friends to watch 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