 All right, I think we're all set. Okay, and Marianne is here. Yes, but I don't know why I'm not on You have to turn your camera on It is I Thought In the in the bottom left you see it says a start video. Yes Is that what I should do? Yeah. Oh Because I saw it. I thought it was There you are. Hi Okay, good. Good and Karen's here. Yes Yeah, hi. Oh, oh hi Peggy. Okay. Oh And it's just four o'clock just gone for years. Yeah, okay Should we call should I call the meeting to order Nate? Yeah, I think I think we have everyone here Okay, now when it's on zoom do we um should we identify who's on the meeting now? we should So like everybody say their name or should I roll a roll call attendance we could do if we could do a roll call I on my screen. I'll start at the top, which is Marianne. Hi. I'm Marianne Adams Jennifer Taube down to Bruce. I'm here and Karen oh You know what Karen you're muted. I'm here. Okay, Karen winter is here and I think Peggy you're muted too Okay, I can't hear I can't hear you Peggy though. May um Yeah A Peggy's mute button shows us mute. I just asked to unmute but yeah, I'm not seeing her mute button Yeah, it's muted Does she know how to unmute Lower left. I don't know there. She's got it. I got it. Okay. Got it. Yeah. So Peggy Schwartz Is here and Jim? Yes, I'm here. Yeah, Jim Lumley's here. Okay. So we're called to order We're all here except for Greta Wilcox who had indicated that she's um on an airplane now So that's terrific Okay, and then and both Nate Malloy and then brieger are here too great um Okay, so we have uh Do we just have two applications today and no other business? I um, you know didn't want to add that um because I was a little confused about it that the reason the uh The application fee that we had discussed at the last meeting and the exemptions that we had discussed are not on today's Calendar because there wasn't enough. We you know, they had to leave a certain amount of time for posting that publicly So we'll address that at our september meeting Right. Yeah, there's a few pending applications and then those topics can be uh part of the public hearing in september Okay, terrific And I just did want to add as a little aside because I was thinking about it after our last meeting You know our discussion about the application fee and thinking of the house on um McClellan where three times the applicant didn't come to the meeting I mean that was an example where the town incurred expenses But you know to no avail to us right so Um, you know that again if if there's any questions, that's that's an example A fee would promote discipline Yeah, like uh, Nate had said you might not apply unless you're serious that you're going to do the work Right. That's the hope. Yeah Okay, so we have um two applicants today, uh And uh is will we start with 154 Lincoln Avenue? Yes Okay, and we have uh Is it uh, doc is dr. Kama Enos? I'll promote uh heard a panelist and There are there are requests us to install A back deck uh with stairs And let me share um You know, I think on somebody we're getting some background conversation Let me just see whether it's me Yep, okay great. Thank you. Are you having one year listening to music or tv in the other ear on our meeting? Now he's muted. Okay. Well now he's muted Kama, can you hear that? Thanks for joining us. Sure thing Are you the calling user or is that someone else? I'm not. I'm just on my laptop. Okay. Yeah, I don't there you are. Hello Hello Now Kama, can you see us? I can yes. Oh good. Okay. I've ordered her to panelist so she she's That's great I'm one of my favorite houses on Lincoln Avenue. I live down Really? Gorgeous house. Thank you. Okay. Um, so do we uh, that's not gonna steal our judgment at all Right, right, of course It looks a little like my house Yeah, um, so Nate do you want to um Dude should I just invite I'll just invite Kama to make the presentation Sure, and then I mean I can provide comments after and Um, can everyone see the screen I'm sharing? Yes. Yes Yes So, you know, what's what's being proposed is what's back here in green is and you know outlined in bold black You know the stairs and then the deck Okay, um, and then just quickly sorry Kama. I might just do a few more notes Here's the house and so you know a view from the street the how the deck is on the back and so You know if there weren't vegetation it would be Visible at an angle. So it's not it's not a highly visible structure It's just you know when the building commissioner and I looked at it You know, there is the possibility that if these trees weren't here you could see At an angle You you know, you could See at you know part of the deck in the back in the stairs. So we just wanted to be Safe and not you know Yeah, not not allow this to move forward and then have someone complain and then have us to backtrack. Yeah Okay, and um Kama, I should say the way that you know, well sort of shouldn't take too long proceed is this is what we call the Public hearing where the applicant makes the presentation and then the members of the commission can ask you questions And then we go into what we call call closed sessions Although we're all still here together and then you know, we'll discuss it amongst ourselves and you know proceed to a boat So we give you a response today, but I'll turn it back over to you now No, it's pretty it's pretty straightforward. I would just like to have a to build a back deck It'll be walk out from the kitchen as you can see on the floor plan And it will I mean it will be mentally visible from the from the street level In theory and eventually when my driveway is less of a mess I'll use it to park a car underneath but for the time being I will Hopefully enjoy it for dinners and yeah That station There's not a whole lot of there there. I mean the um The decking material is just going to be simple treks A gray is the ideal and all of the other sort of railings around the front porch and the side porch are simple white railings And it'll mirror that as well There's already a floodlight in the back right corner of the house and I think that'll provide sufficient light Not really planning to add a whole lot else there and there's it's not really an aesthetically Visible space, so I don't really feel the need to dress it up much more than that just simple white railings and Great, I think that's it. Yeah, that sounds that sounds uh Very straightforward Are there any questions from the commissioners? There is the application. I don't know if there's any new information here Um Yeah, I drive by your house and walk my dog by your house many times a day And I really have to crane to see The back of the house. Did you see the house before because then you would definitely not Oh my god, I can't even Just for those of you When we moved in the house was a wreck But you always knew it had it was a beautiful house and then Your family bought it and It became a beautiful house, but it you know Yes, the transformation is unbelievable. Yeah I always thought it was one of the nicest houses on the street, but I I digress Thank you So here's the description of work. I mean you're right. It's pretty uh pretty simple back. I don't there's not much more Um Jennifer yes I'm sorry bruce I have a question. I The uh the deck How far off the ground is it? it's a So the driveway slopes down. It's a walkout basement Oh It'll be underneath that level Okay, full story. I see so basically the deck elevation is Approximately at the street elevation or the front porch elevation. I guess is that correct? Yes But the that the the land slopes off to the rear in a way you can't see it and so that's why those stairs are there Yes, uh to get from the ground good. Thank you I didn't actually realize so your driveway goes to the back of the house It goes to the back of the house and there's an area of black top at the very back of the house that um used to But a two-story garage with a walkout basement that was condemned before I bought the house um And so the prior owner had to sort of had all of the walls pushed in and there was a Pit that took about seven or eight dumpsters to almost get to the bottom I was trying to find I had an image but I can't seem to find it out of the back of the house, but um Maybe this yeah, it's hard. It is hard to see that it does slope. Uh quite a bit in the back. Yeah Okay, well, I guess I have another question to go back to the previous Uh image, which is the bottom one. I guess that from the uh, yes, it looks like that deck at the back is covered Or is that uh, you can just see a couple of Yes, is that the is that the deck? Oh, no, what is that? Oh, I see it's a side porch. Yes, I see it Right here. Okay. So it's it's it's a long way back. Yeah Yeah, it's actually hard to get a picture of uh Of it. Yeah because of the vegetation Oh, that's amazing. I'm sorry. I had actually thought that the Deck was going to be where the side porch is so the house goes way back. Yeah Yeah, you can't see that at all from the street. You can't it just keeps going on forever Yeah, I mean what what the issue would be hold on. I have a new share Uh It'd be you know, like I said, it would be if at an oblique angle, you know, you'd see back So here's the back of the house. So the side deck we're seeing now is here Then the deck is way back here. Yeah, so I I think it's appropriate Nate and and rob is not here I don't suppose I think that you know, it's it's good to To the extent that we can manage it to Take the Take it quite literally and And uh completely so if you can see it We we shouldn't say you you almost can't see it because that opens a matter of degree and and then then there's all sorts of problems about whether it's In conspicuous enough for us not to be here Right. So long as it doesn't overwhelm our agenda week after week with Things which it hasn't yet in the three years that I've been here So I think you're doing the right thing and I think we should get used to Being quite quite pedantic about this right Okay seem to be an excellent design in addition to that And well thought out definitely an improvement Yes, I agree Questions or comments I was going to ask if it's time to make a motion. Yes, I think it is Oh, no, I don't have my sing-up So we would um, we're gonna ask to make a motion to close the public portion of the meeting so we can go into Um close meeting and and and vote So uh Peggy I'm I'm I'm so moved. Okay second I second Okay, thank you. Karin all in favor Yes, I Yeah, I don't so are there I'm Well, I feel very comfortable with the application Um, I I don't see any reason why we couldn't proceed to a vote Are there any other questions or comments or any additional information any of the commissioners would like I said a question is the are the railings in the will look similar to what's on the front here just a square Uh baluster and a simple railing. Is that the plan? Okay? um If there are no, uh You know questions or no or there is not a need for additional information um We could entertain a Uh motion to issue a certificate of appropriateness um, well, I've been in the habit of doing that and I uh I I I'm I didn't have my other computer on so I don't have the text. I can't get to the text That's okay. Yeah, so Nate if you would Uh, just use the text that we usually have which would say that in the in the property address To to identify the project and that we uh Word it's the motion so that the certificate of appropriateness is issued There's no conditions and the findings are as uh, I have typically expressed them I'm sorry. I I forgot to get my other machine on we would say it's in keeping with uh With the bylaws Oh, it's it's I've written it all out So that so that no doesn't I just don't have it here. Well now I can get it I think we're good. We're good. We're good. Is there a second for the motion? I second. Okay. Marianne seconds So since we're on a zoom call, we're not in person. We actually have to do a voice vote So I will stop at the top of my screen and the first is bruce to approve or disapprove. I approve Oh, thank you. Um Marianne I approve Karen I approve Peggy I approve Jim I approve and i'm jennifer and I approve Okay, so, uh, we are pleased to issue the certificate of appropriateness and Nate can give you the details But basically as soon as we vote you'll actually get a formal sign certificate But I believe you can begin to do the work before you actually have that in hand Yeah, you can follow up with jenn mollens, uh, the permanent administrator and she can coordinate the building permit and everything So that's should be all set So thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Good luck. Good luck Take care. Bye. Bye. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. Hey Thank you. No, I had no idea that house went so far back Yes, it is like I said, it is very difficult to get a picture of what yeah Amazing. Yeah, it's been added on to clearly over generations. Yeah But anyway, you cannot it look like a haunted house before they bought it But it's amazing What loving restoration will do Yes Um, and do we so now we'll move on to our next applicant at 32 cosby street jesse meager Yeah, let me uh Come out with a panelist Should I be seeing everyone on the panel on my screen? I only see a few of you I have to scroll down You have to slide up or down to see everybody Are you yeah, you could hit a grid view depending on how you have your view set up I can I saw I have a three by three view right now Ah Now I can see everything And now I don't look so current No, uh, that's what I have for you gotta change your current bruce and jennifer And I just Only had some I don't Have everybody and if I take myself out, I get one more view I'm not sure how to do How do I do that Upper right, uh, there's three little dots and it lets you stop the self view Not I'm gonna see yourself the whole time. That's no it's it's I'm on an iPad. I'm gonna leave it like No, I won't I won't see the new the screen here. Yes. Yes And I don't know if you can see on my screen. It's towards the bottom. Um, the homeowner jesse mager My pronouncing that correctly It's major, but that's fine major. Okay. Um, I see we see I see you on your bike every day I'm at the corner. Hi. I'm jennifer. Um, so the way, uh, this shouldn't take too long, but just, uh You will, you know, present the application and then for what we call the public portion of the meeting Uh, the commissioners have a chance to ask you questions And then we officially go into what we call closed session Although we're all including yourself still here and then we'll we may have some more questions at that point I need more information, but we'll you know proceed to a vote at that point So if you want to take it away, uh, sure So, uh enough sign completely different, right? This is not one of the prettiest houses on the block This is oh, it's a lovely house and you added on to it. Yes. Very nice house. Thank you. Um, so Yeah, we added some mini splits and I apologize jesse. Could I interrupt? This is bruce coldom Could I ask nat or jennifer to put whatever imagery we have because what I'm looking at is a dropbox Oh page Image of a of a Honda pilot, you know a right car and a house But I see I do I do I have it I've got I'm looking at it I'm looking at a dropbox file Wonder if it's is it your own computer Might be but why would it suddenly if well, let me uh, I'm just going down a little bit I'm going to I'm at the risk of the Let's see. I'll put it to the bottom Now I'm looking at my I don't have anything on the screen other than I can see some uh, I can see people but I don't have any, uh This is oh my god The camera don't see what the I can see. Yeah, I'm seeing the car in the driveway. Yeah arrow now with a red arrow Although On your zoom Sorry, bruce. You have a button that says speaker view that might bring it back I don't all I've got is the little set of boxes up at the top corner that have got people's faces in them And maybe above that are there any no, there's nothing other than that. That's all I've got Well, I'll tell you what I'll just go and uh, I'll go with since I now have my whole screen that I can open stuff for my own computer I'll look at the stuff Yeah, what we were said by Nate Yeah, okay. We'll solve that problem that way. Okay. Keep going. Sorry jessie. That's right So I was just apologizing for things being a little out of order. So we have the mini splits already put in Um, and I didn't realize this needed to come here. That's including my fault partly because we're not the first I'm sure partly because when we did an addition off the back which obviously was approved that included mini splits And that didn't even occur to me that that was part of the process. So these are additional Mini split condenser for the old part of our house. Okay Okay, we were planning on it going on the East side, but then when they got here it wouldn't fit. So they had to put it on our driveway side We also coincidentally got a free upgrade of a condenser. So it was actually a lot bigger than we expected Um, and so you can see in that first we can almost see in that first picture I put a red arrow where it is. Oh the I see I thought that was a very large Red hydrant, right? So there There's a picture without the arrow. Um, it's at the end of our driveway actually beyond the drive a little bit Five feet tall There's the other picture of it And now that that's in there. We'd like to build just a little screen fence. So no one has to see it basically including ourselves Um, it's just be a two-sided sort of L of a fence That's the style we're after probably horizontal shadow box. We think that'll blend in nicely with our siding Everything will be painted probably next summer including the house. So it'll all hopefully mostly disappear And that's sort of a digital mock-up that I made What you might see from the street. Oh, very good. Yeah, looks good Um, yeah, so it's about four feet on one side five feet on the other side And that's it you post in the ground and that should do it. Okay Thank you. Are there any questions? Okay, um, I have one question. It's a It's a comment more than a question. Uh, I'm a little concerned. Uh, the the uh, these Devices really need airflow around them because they're exchanging Uh, the heat if they're if they're heating the house, they're getting it from the air outside And if they're cooling the house, they're dumping the heat to the outside So you need the air circulation around these things and I'm I'm thinking that you might want to be asking us for a A screen fence that only has boards on one side Because yeah, because you're really in you're really kind of Boxed in so that it doesn't have good air circulation Point well taken. Um, and that's partly why we went with this horizontal shadow box So there's airflow through the fence. They're just alternating on either side. If you go by I see that I just think you're a limit. You're you're you're limiting the airflow. Um, just the just the mechanic Uh, is he in support of this kind of The manufacturer recommends a foot on one side and 18 inches on the front side of the unit And they said that should be totally sufficient Okay that's it I just thinking that we would if if uh If it turned out that you didn't have that clarity and you wanted to come back and just take one of those things off I thought we might short circuit the process by approving it with or without the Second layer point well taken And so what would that mean that So I think you're suggesting just not having wood on the inside, right? So just on the outside so it'll be a slightly more visible through the fence. Is that right understanding correctly bruce? Yes I'd be I'd be prepared to approve it with or without the slats on the inside just to give you that flexibility, right? Thank you, marianne. So I just wanted to confirm your your what you were saying about your proposed paint job Was going to be to blend the box In with the color of the house so that it would be Not so ostensibly different correct Okay, okay Um, are there any other questions? Okay, so with that I guess we could um, uh, there's a there's a hand raised. Sorry. Uh, oh, I'm sorry. I'm not seeing it Oh, yeah here. I'll kimberley or allowed to speak Hi, I'm the other owner of this house. Oh, sorry. I didn't No, no, no, he's doing a great job and I hopefully we can approve it with in both with both ways Um within without the slap Okay, within is without what with it within without the inside. Um Slat as the other gentleman was just suggesting. Yeah Okay, thank you Okay, so if there's no further questions, um, is there a motion to Uh, go into closed session for the vote We don't have any public attendance Uh, there's a calling user, but I they haven't identified themselves that and um, they haven't raised their hand You know, that might be the um amherst indy. I wonder I'd asked if they would identify but they hadn't so You know, I I think their comments are there would have been a raised hand already, but Got it. Okay um And all you know All the neighbors are in close communication on cosby. So I think if it was in a butter, you would know what their concern was I'll move to close the public portion of the hearing. Okay, uh second. Yes All in favor, Nate. Do we really have to do a voice? I'm not for this. I guess. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So all in favor Okay, thank you So, um, are there any, uh questions or comments Or do we feel that we can well, I guess Do we want to move to a vote? Um Allowing for both options for this Well, I can put that motion together now because I'm looking at my cheat sheet. So I'm good at that I'm good for that. Okay. So so take it away Okay, move to approve grounding of certificate of perfumers for the uh proposed project at 32 cosby avenue Heat pump and screened enclosure With findings that the proposed work meets the review criteria expressed in sections 8.1 and 8.2 of the Amherst local historic district bylaw and the proposal is compatible with the overall appearance of the neighborhood and will not have a negative impact uh on the Prospect Lincoln Sunset local historic district um, the The work shall be uh executed according to the submitted documents with the condition that the inner Wyeth's I guess or slats of the screen fence Can be omitted if the owner so decides Okay, is there a second? Okay, say Karen. Thank you. Um, so now we will have to go to a voice vote vote since we're zooming in and not in person So I'll start with uh Bruce Yes Okay, um Karen Yes Thank you. Uh Peggy. Yes, and thank you. Marianne. Yes And Jim. Yes, and I'm Jennifer and I say yes. Thank you So, um, with that the uh application will receive a certificate of appropriateness And uh, thank you for coming. Thank you all for your time. Good. Okay Thank you. Bye. Bye Okay, so so that you know that um condenser mace, but that's the type of thing that would could be excluded So you know just to give you an idea for what we Yes Discuss a lot through meetings. That's the type of you know project that would be excluded from review Yes, I have two questions about that Nate one is Would that only would that be excluded once it was all publicly announced? Is that what we're waiting for? Yes, right. Yeah, once once we've decided We have to hope we're going to hold a public hearing on that for the committee to vote on and then it would be um It'd be part of the rules and rags. Yeah. Okay, then the second question is Uh, we had included vegetation Had we included a fence in our Um exclusion we had said adequate screening right. I forgot how the language So we didn't stipulate. Okay. I remember you know at our last at our last meeting I have the draft up right now. It says um, we landed on uh It remains screened from view with vegetation So that would mean that because the the fence would need to come before Yeah, and I guess we decided there are too many possible options about fences Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean someone could put a cinderblock wall and we wouldn't want that I guess for what that does that allows, you know, a homeowner to install these and then come for a fence later That way they're out the way for the project Oh good point, man. Yes. That's a good point Yes, excellent Okay, so um We don't have any other business or sadly. No, we could chat for a while sadly, yeah I think we'll um, so, you know takes a few um You know a few days to get a legal notice and i'm waiting on um one or two applications. So, you know, I was thinking the third week Um third or fourth week in september the week of the 14th or 21st for a meeting If that works for people It works for me I'm good for either of those. Yeah I mean now that we can zoom in Actually, it might be the 21st just because of uh the time to schedule a hearing Okay, for the legal notice. So would we be staying with mondays? Yeah, we can do monday the 21st. We say that Sure. Yeah, it helps me to kind of get it written in. Yes. Yeah. Yeah Okay, no, that's great because I can schedule the zoom link and we can get that going good. Okay Great Is that our time? Yeah I have it marked Okay, great Thank you If you want to raise your hand or make any comments, I guess we can Um, just you you'll send us the zoom link same way we did today. Yep. Yep I always lose it. So thank you Yeah, I have I have a question since we have we've only we've we're we're at half an hour and we've really done everything Um, I want to say that I'm quite enjoying Uh meeting this way Um, in other words, I I don't recall I I'm not I'm now past thinking that this is uh A bit of an imposition because of the coronavirus pandemic and that it's actually for me Working very well, and I'm feeling comfortable. I feel like I'm connected to you all The applicants feel to me as though they are Having a clear enough opportunity to Express themselves. I hope that the public Equally satisfied with their ability to Participate So I guess Nate and Jennifer, this is a question to you in leadership But also to all of us might have two questions One to all of us Does everybody feel more or less similar to me and secondly to nates and jennifer? Insofar as the mechanics of putting these together running them and all that How do you feel from a leadership point of view? With this, uh, is this something that we might consider? Being able to just continue no matter what I think the um You know, I'll say that we I think the town is not going to go back to in-person meetings For the rest of the calendar year. So I think the town manager I said that that's kind of end the decision unless something changes pretty quickly but so we'll be doing this for another few months and You know, what I like about it is it forces me to ask the applicant to provide enough information to then Be able to share with you so you're getting information up front as opposed to A surprise during the hearing. So we've been better about asking applicants to provide images or You know any information that could help Explain the project. So in that respect, I think it's been going very well And then you know sharing the screen if everyone sees that then to me it's um You know, it's almost the same as that we're in person because you can see, you know, we can You know, we can see everything together. So I I think that works pretty well I think it's terrific. I think it's well ecologically responsible and I think You know, certainly for people and as it gets to be winter, you know that people don't have to come through the snow Or inclement weather to make a presentation I guess my first we're just is do Do we have the choice, you know, once the Once town hall is open to the public. Could we continue this way or are we not allowed to at that point? We're allowed to operate this way under the governor's orders. Um, so, you know, if there's It could be that at some point, this is no longer allowed So I I'm I'm preparing for us to if this is a more effective way And I hadn't even thought of the snow situations or remember how difficult it was when we were doing the Amos media, uh, and we so I just think I'm I'm getting to thinking that this is a better and possibly a far better way of doing business And I would like to think that if that's the consensus of the commission That we could damn well do it this way until dune's day if we wanted and I and I would Be prepared to argue that That we should and I'm just getting ready to wonder whether that argument should be done to be put together I think jim jim you have your hand up Well, I I'm not quite to where bruce is Mainly because I think that However, it does work. It's efficient. Um, I kind of feel we've lost a little bit of Not so much our because we found a fair amount of time together before zoom came along but You know, we lose a little bit of personal interaction with the uh With the people that come before us and I I'm not sure that's quite wise and I wonder See, we've had fairly easy decisions to make Uh in the last couple of months. You're right. You're right. I mean it gets more complicated Something like in bruce alluded to amos media. Yes, absolutely. Just can't see how this is really going to work I can't see 20 odd people coming In your zoom meeting and You know with being effective or Satisfying to everybody. Yeah, good point jim. Right. That's a good point Yeah, then you know, I've been attending the zba hearings for a project where you know, there's consistently anywhere from 10 to 20 or 30 guests And it is difficult when You know, not everyone can view each other. So in the applicants making a presentation that the The public can't see everything necessarily can't see the panelists. So we've had Meetings where it's been, you know, we can promote applicants to panelists and everyone can Can see each other. So I agree. I think sometimes with a bigger project or more complex project, but I've also found that those meetings was really nice is again the applicants are preparing more information upfront and everyone's been Provided that so it it's kind of forcing everyone to be better prepared I like the meetings in person Even though I love the convenience of sitting at my kitchen table and not having to go anywhere Yeah, but part of my Part of my desire to even be on the committee is to is to have the personal involvement with the town and with the other neighbors, you know from from within Amherst and And I've enjoyed I've enjoyed that. I think we've been very efficient in our use of this and You know what what's available to us Technologically is kind of mind-boggling, but it's wonderful but Sorry to say but I do prefer the meetings in person I just think that there's there's something about the camaraderie all of it that that speaks to my spirit. So Yeah, I don't object if the committee decides to keep going this way, but that that that would be my presence Yeah, no, I mean great points all around and again, I wouldn't be surprised if once town hall is open that the decision Would be a decision town-wide and it probably won't be up to us individually Yeah, definitely pros and cons on both sides right At some point maybe we would weigh in on that, but I think like I said, it's a few months away before even any consideration is you know Is given I don't have a hugely strong feeling and I'm just meeting this way It's got its own satisfactions, but that's just my Well, thank thank you for reacting to my Proposal or for my my thought that's very helpful. I and I only added it now Which yes clearly is perhaps premature, but but because we have a nice open Piece of time on our agenda Yeah, no, it's it's good to bring up and I do think It's worked well considering we have to do it this way Yeah, I just saw Jim's dog walk down the stairs behind him Well, you see I don't see everybody. How do you how do I think it's kind of fun to have those moments? I can only do six I I can't do everybody either A few minutes ago Jim I I do just simply want to add and you know The convenience has been very important for me And as you know, I've not been well So that uh, if we were meeting in town hall, I would Let me just mention now need to step off the board Because I really can no longer make it back and forth even with Jennifer's generous Drop driving me So I think that's just something to think about in terms of illness disability Etc. Yeah, this is not going to be an easy decision one way or the other And I wasn't going to say anything after um Peggy's heart felt Cree to core But uh, I I do think it's worth mentioning Well, first of all Marianne you look great That is the paradox of all this it is I had to write as a joke in my letter to my my helpers That everybody obviously feels I'm just Crying melanoma to get everybody's attention and really have no problem at all Because uh, it just doesn't show it doesn't show it's all inside But I also think honestly, I don't think this is ending anytime No, no, no, but it's it's I just wanted to mention. Yeah, no, we appreciate that. Yes, but I know Can I I wonder if uh Further down the road. It's also possible to do a hybrid so It's really far away or Feeling that they can't make it that we have Zoom Oh, yes And some there could be a little group of people that are meeting in person But it could still be a zoom so you could be connected very much like teachers are teaching right one One part of the classroom is there and the other is virtually present All right, that's a good suggestion. We the town allows remote participation, which yes before was made difficult because it was only through a phone line and The people that never participate remotely would have to have physical copies in front of them but if we Had a hybrid model where people could use zoom to participate remotely then that would make that a lot easier So it's not a decision that I'm you know part of but I think that's a good suggestion So we can always bring it up with you know with my supervisors and everyone I think the world will look different when this Part to go back to normal. It won't be Yeah, right possibilities Okay, um, so with that do I accept call for um, I guess a motion to The meeting and I wish everyone um a good I guess summer officially ends this weekend, but Have a good rest of the summer So And I always ask you this are your kids going back to school the um, we chose a hybrid. Well, you know, I think um The school gave the option of doing fully remote or hybrid in the hybrid we chose hybrid, but it's uh two mornings a week That's it. So two but your school is opening. It is um Uh, I think I you know base of timber early october. I forgot okay, not yet. Okay It changes every day from what I follow in the new It does. We just had a new update uh over the weekend was different than what we had a week ago. So All new plan. Yeah New okay, so, uh, motion to All of a sudden who did something? Oh, I guess hearing my screen. So I always have where it was from Okay, hello everybody. I even have some heart. I know this is great Peggy classes. No Peggy there. Hi Yeah, so I suddenly can see too right and now I did something about meaning to because all I see is jennifer Okay, so is there a motion to adjourn? I'll move Okay, all in favor Yeah, yes Okay