好 谢谢各位老师抓了一些特写了吧6号老师好 谢谢您一会等嘉宾上来咱们再给他鼓励一下多谢各位So that we know the green is going to be achievedThank youThank you very muchDistinguished guestsLadies and gentlemenGood morningWelcome to the special sessionChina's green leadershipJointly presented to you by China Global Television NetworkAnd the World Economic ForumThis is the very first time that this kind of joint venture happensSo it's my great pleasure to welcome all of youOur topic, China's green leadershipThe question is not about who's taking the so-called leadershipBut rather how to leadWhat is the relationship between leadership and actionsAnd how can we act togetherIn that regard, we're going to have a strong panelTo explain from their own perspectivesBut for now, let's take a look at this videoEmbracing green developmentChina's government has declared war on pollutionAfter ratifying the Paris Agreement in 2016Now China goes one third of the world's wind powerA quarter of its solar capacitySix of the top ten solar panel manufacturersAnd four of the top ten wind turbine makersAnd the country sells more electric vehiclesThen the rest of the world combinesTech companies are also green innovatorsOnline technology, particularly e-commerce internet bankAnd social media is accelerating the pace of changeAs the world's largest investing country in renewablesChina hit the record high in last yearAccounting for 45% of global green energy investmentChina is on the wayTo push for a green and beautiful futureThank youSo I'm joined here by a very strong panelComing from all over the worldFrom different kinds of economiesAnd certainly they also have their own expertiseOn my left, my great honor to have his excellencyYoshi AhabashiWho is the secretary for international affairsWith the ministry of planning developmentAnd management of BrazilWelcome Mr. SecretaryThank youClientMeanwhile we would like to welcome Mr. Lin BojiangProfessor and dean from the China InstituteFor studies in energy policyThank you sirWell at the same timeMy longtime friend Isabel HiltonWho is the editor of China DialogueFrom the United KingdomWelcomeThank youThank you to be hereLast but certainly not leastWho just had a visit to the local zooI understandHe's coming from the United StatesSteven Monford, director of the Smithsonian NationalZoological ParkAnd also director of SmithsonianConservation Biology InstituteWelcome sirAll right, we have a very tense discussion aheadLet me start by asking youAre we getting desperateAfter the Paris AccordObviously some of the biggest economiesDid not yet want to play a significant roleMaybe I will start from Mr. MonfordWell, I think the situationOf course you are not representing any administrationOf course notI think we all know that climate changeIs something that we are having to deal withAnd when it comes to in my own contextI work in biodiversity conservation realmAnd so it's a very important significant figureIn terms of species survivalEcosystem functionEcosystem resilience and adaptationThose sorts of thingsSo in my mind it is a crisisIt is a crisisYesDo you also see it Mr. SecretaryAs a crisisIt is indeed a crisisI think that this is such a topicThat requires a lot of collaborationAnd a lot of partnershipSo that the Paris AccordIs indeed a very critical instrumentFor all of us to work togetherIn order to promote all the technologiesNeeded to mitigate the risksAssociated to climate changeBut how that is the question isn't itWell, that's perhapsThe most critical issueHow to do thatI think that based on the factThat we are talking about a public topicA public issueThat requires co-creationCo-laborationAnd partnershipWe have to develop an agendaThat is inclusiveThat takes care of all the needsComing from developing economiesFrom people and from companiesFrom governmentsAnd from all of usInvolved in this topicMiss HiltonWe've been in many conversationsBut I need to ask youIn front of the public againAre we desperateWe're in a desperate situationWhether we're desperateIs kind of up to usI spent last week in San FranciscoAt the Global Climate Action SummitAnd there were some barnstorming speeches thereWhich gave you hope againThe fact is that since ParisThe process of global climate negotiationsHave lost energyMr. Trump is one of the factorsBut not the only factorBut at the same timeYou know the experience ofBeing at the China PavilionIn San FranciscoWith a string of memorandaOf understanding being signedBetween California and ChinaYou sense that below the federal levelIn the United StatesThere's fantastic energy for thisSo we are absolutely in a desperate situationAnd essentially we have maybe two decadesAnd after that it's overWe have two decades to fix thisTechnically we can do itEconomically it's positiveIt's an advantage to do itPolitically you still have to line upSo it seems that you are sayingIt's a mixed pictureProfessor LinI'm a pet optimistYeah, wellProfessor LinI think that if we don't get together to workWe don't have enough time for itSo I think in the sense that we are desperateOn the other handIntense Paris AgreementI do believe that investmentIn the renewablesIt keeps coming highSo in the sense thatPeople are still trying to work for itBut the question here isDo we still have enough time or notDo we need to work harder or notWhether the certain countries do not agreeOr has a negative impactIt doesn't matterWe just have to move forwardI love that the can do spiritIsn't itHaving said that thoughProfessor LinSince the topic is about China's leadershipI really wonder whether ChinaIs trying to be hereAnd quote unquote be a leaderOr China is trying to seeThis is an opportunityTo work with the othersTo find new ways of solutionProfessorI think that ChinaDo not claim really to be a leaderBut it is a leaderBecause in the sense thatYou look at renewablesWe just watched the TV footageWe are the largest systemOur investment accountFor majority of the globalRenewable investmentsAnd you look atOur target on 2020For example, we are askingFor 200 gigawatt of windAnd 100 gigawatt of solarUp to this pointWe are basicallyMeet the target and surpass the targetSo moving forwardI believe that ChinaWill continue to workNot only in ChinaAlso together with the countryAnd low and bare initiativesOn the green developmentThe innovationIn the energy sectorIs certainly very interestingBut to what extentMr. SecretaryThat these innovation possibilitiesWill be able to replaceThe so-called traditionalThat is big a question markFor BrazilWhat exactly is this pictureWell, you knowThis is an agenda driven by innovationIf you want to actIf you want to be a playerYou have to be on the frontierIn terms of innovationBeing financial innovationsBeing new technologiesBeing all these new toolsThat will help usTackle the warmingThe climate warming agendaI think thatYou mentioned energyWe are developingIn Brazil, in ChinaAnd some other countriesNew technologiesThat will improve efficiencyIn the on handAnd optimizeUsage of energyTake the case of ultra highTransmission linesThis is a very interesting technologyThat help usImprove efficiencyWe allocate energyAccording to the needsSo that in the end of the dayWe may have or impactLess the environmentThis is one interesting exampleThe other one is relatedTo biofuelsThere's a lot going onIn Brazil and ChinaIn some other partsOf the worldRelated to the bioeconomyThis is indeed somethingVery interestingThat they have to payA lot of attentionWhat is distinguishingA leader and a followerIs possibly the capabilityTo take advantage of innovationMr. MonfortAbout the innovation partHow much observation have you gotAbout developing countriesEmerging economiesCertainly some partsThe United States as wellAbout the mechanismsAnd the tools to be usedWell, I'm a conservation biologistSo the first thing I would sayIs to pay attention to our natural capitalAnd much of our solutionsFor climate changeAre going to come from betterReducing deforestation for exampleAnd there's a great deal of progressWe could make with land restorationAnd improving land use managementPractices for exampleSo everything from agricultural practicesTo general land use managementWe live in what I would callA landscape mosaic nowWhere nature and humansAnd agriculture are all mixed togetherAnd we don't have a very good understandingOf how those systems actually functionAnd so there's a greater needFor basic science to understandEcosystem functionAnd the services that are being providedBut we're already derivingTrillions of dollars of benefitsFrom what existsSo the first thing is to do no harmTo when you're going to be developingTo do hand in hand with understandingWhat you can do with natural capitalWell, these all sound kinds of abstractIn a way, if we talk about the conceptBut Professor Lin, I understandCarbon trading has already becomeA national scale in ChinaBut the question isHow well is that toolThat innovation being usedAnd how used to is ChineseIn a way, these daysAbout that practiceProfessorWhat is the broad trading systemEven though right nowChina allows last yearTo establish a national carbon trade systemFuture at this momentOnly include 1,700 coal-fired power plantsBut that makes senseBecause a national carbon tradingFor China is an enormous marketAnd at this momentThat first budgetWill roughly coverOne-third of the carbon emission in ChinaAnd if we can successThere will be the largest carbon trading systemIn the worldHaving said thatThe trading is expected in 2020Because at this momentWe're still preparing the infrastructureProvide training for personnelAnd also try to establishSomehow an efficient trading systemBased on the pilot testingOf which we have carried outA few years agoHelp me to understand thisMiss HiltonI mean China's emissionSeems to have already peakedSome suggest by the year 2016Much earlier than the earlier planThat probably meansThat Chinese economy is slowing downAs a result of structural reformBut that could also meanA great opportunityFor China to take advantageOf all the possible innovative toolsCarbon trading includedMiss HiltonHow should we understand thisEarlier than expectedThe peaking of the emissionsAnd therefore the opportunitiesAnd challenges as a resultWell, there's always more Than one answer with ChinaThe earlier peakingThat anticipated is partlyBecause China sets cautious targetsBecause it likes to meet themAnd so talking to climate peopleHearing China over two or three yearsNobody expected itTo go much beyond 2022But the promise wasBy 2030 or earlierSo that's one reasonBut the material reasonIs as you sayAbout the changing economyChina has been throughThis period of very fastVery high emittingVery polluting growthAnd that phase is pretty much over nowSo it's making a transitionTo a higher valueHigher technology economyClevelly identifyThe technologies of the futureAs low carbon technologiesMassive investment in thatAnd has brought downThe price of those technologiesFor everybodyNot just for ChinaSo where does trading come inTrading is a mixed pictureIt does a couple of very useful thingsIt makes you count your emissionsYou need accurate dataIn order to be able to tradeAnd it puts a price on carbonAnd that has been the problematic thingBecause how do you get peopleTo do the right thingIf they perceive itAs an economic negativeSo if you set a high price on carbonIt becomes a net positive for an enterpriseTo reduce its emissionsThe problem with the European systemAs I'm sure you knowIs that the price never really got to be usefulIt was always too lowSo some countries are setting a floor priceA price below which carbon cannot fallIn order to make sureThat it actually saves carbonAs opposed to doing a lot of other thingsBefore we go into the detailsAbout how the carbon trainingReally works in ChinaAny other economiesLet me ask you, Professor LienSpecifically about the earlier peakingThen expectedHow do you see that phenomenonIs it going to be sustainableAnd that certainly has a lot to doIs what kinds of technologiesWhat kind of innovation that ChinaIs thinking about for the futureWhen it comes to carbon tradingAnd this of courseIt's not limited to ChinaBut also the other emerging economiesAs we have Brazil sitting here as wellRightLet's talk about China firstTargeting 2030 as we all agreeThat's definitelyWe're going to mean that much earlier2022Yes, that's totally possibleSome people even mentioned thatWe already peaked by 2013Because at that timeThe coal is co-consumption is higherIn a few yearsWe are quiteIt looks quite optimisticBut last couple yearsBecause of the energyOne coming backAnd the coal and solar are too smallTo cover the incrementalsYes, the co-consumption has come backA little bit over the last two yearsSo looking forwardIt really depends on the energy demandsIf energy demand come up very stronglyThen the coal will continue to come backIn the positive sideThen we are looking at theWe need to evaluateThe carbon peaking in 2013But 2022Certain should be theMore or less the numberWe are looking atCommon tradingI believe that it's going to have a huge impactOn the peakingEven though we talk aboutMaybe a different topicBut they are really relatedWe have carried out extensive researchOn the common trading systemLooking at different anglesLooking at different pricesAnd we find out thatIn fact, it's really an effective systemTo reduce the CO2 in ChinaWith some acceptable GDPNegative impactsSo I think this is going to apply to other countriesEven though there are different countriesDifferent situationsBy hoping that ChinaBeing a developing countryHave a good common trading systemWill take a set of exampleFor other developing countriesI have to go to Mr. MonfordBefore I come back from Mr. SecretaryMr. MonfordOnce again, you are not representing any administrationBut just from a conservation perspectiveYou see the apparent trade warGoing on between China and the United StatesThat certainly is going toIn a way have an impactOn the manufacturing sectorParticularly here in ChinaAnd thereforeIt would have an impactAlso on China's wayOf dealing with its environmentAbout China's efficiencyOf using new toolsTo make environmental improvementCertainly has a lot to do with the innovationThat we're talking about hereSo Mr. MonfordHow do you see this generalMuch bigger economicGeopolitical scenesTheir impactWhat we are talking about hereBecause these are certainly going to haveQuite much influenceWhere the future is headingMr. MonfordWell, my perspective is as a scientistAnd again as a conservationistI would say thatWe need to make sure that these trade issuesOther issues between the United States and ChinaDon't impede our partnershipsOn the scientific and technology frontYou know we have long standingRelationships with Chinese colleaguesAnd so it's important to keep our eyesOn the longer pictureAnd in my viewDevelopment is one of the major issuesThat's coming onto the scene for ChinaAnd as that happensI believe there needs to be a better integrationBetween the scientific sectorsAnd the private sectorAnd the NGO conservation sectorsThere needs to be new typesOf cross-sectoral partnershipsAnd there really needs to be an increaseIn the standards of practiceAnd also a philosophy that integratesConservation into development practiceThat shouldn't be somethingThat's separated from itAnd too often there are warsBasically going on betweenInterest groups for the environmentAnd interest groups for the industryAnd in my experienceWith the SmithsonianWe have excellent relationshipsWith certain companies that areInterested in raising their standard of practiceRaising their image and doing the right thingSo you knowWhile we're talking about carbon tradingAnd all types of other mechanismsThe fundamental thing is againDo no additional harmAs you go forward in developmentAnd there are ways to developIn a responsible sustainable wayBut right now it's my opinionIs that there's a lack of capacityIn that areaIf you look at the scientificAnd technical capacityIt's very high in ChinaAnd in many developing countriesIn engineering for exampleIn law and medicineFields like thatBut if you look at fundamental scienceEnvironmental scienceBiodiversity and conservation scienceIt's been lagging very far behindAnd I think there's a riskThat we can engineer almost anythingBut if we don't understandThe systems that we're about to disturbIn advance and we don't knowHow to mitigate the negative impactsThen we're going to continue to makeThe same mistakes that have been made historicallySo there needs to beMore investmentAnd understanding the environmentsThat these companies are working inThere's tremendous damageThat can be doneThrough mega infrastructure developmentI think those are well documentedAnd so we know what the problems areWe know what the threats areBut are we going to be smart enoughTo avoid themYeah, can we be Mr. SecretaryThe emerging economiesIn fact could have this possibilityOf so-called leapfrogWe do not have to hit the same wallsAs the others hitThrough the various generationsOf industrializationWell, at the same timeAcquire the new toolAnd yet do our economiesAllow that to happenDo our urgency of doing thingsAllow that to happen, Mr. SecretaryYes, that's a very important questionI think that there are at least two fieldsWhere leapfrogging can be indeedVery critical for developmentAnd emerging economiesOne is the digital economyAnd the second one is environmentThere is a huge demand for usTo do more and better thingsRelated to these two fieldsThe technologies are still being developedSo the potential is thereThere's a lot to be doneThe market is hugeThe potential market is hugeSo developing and emerging economiesCan indeed participateIn the development of the technologiesIn the development of the tools neededTo make these two areasVery very importantGive me an example of BrazilFor exampleWell, Brazil is doing a lotIn terms of biofuelsIn terms of the bio-economy generalBrazil is already a clean energy countryThe large majority of the energy producerThere comes from hydroFrom renewable and things like thatSo being a clean matrixIs not enoughYou have to do moreIn terms of energy conservancyIn terms of how you deal with your city's garbageAnd things like thatAnd even more important than thatThe thing is related to the way you organizeAnd structure your economyIn the case of a developing economyOr an emerging economy like BrazilIn order for you to become more efficientIn order for you to be in a positionTo create value out of technologiesYou have to do more in terms of intangiblesIn terms of developing technologyIn terms of developing areasWhere value creation is thereThat's perhaps what is happening in ChinaYou mentioned the case of ChinaHaving picked before a planetThat indeed has to do with the structural transformationOf the Chinese economyTowards a more service economyBased rather than a manufacturingAnd export oriented economyFor us to do more in terms of clean energyFor polluting less and lessWe have to help economies from around the worldI see a role doing a planFor example, in your countryWhen you are saying this to your colleaguesIn the administrationDo they really understandCan they really support you in that causeWell, that's a key question againBecause there is a kind ofShort-term versus long-term perspectiveSo some politicians and some policymakersAre more concerned about what to doIn the short term in order to create valueIn order to growSome others are actually looking at the futureLiterally you, I guessYou have to look at the futureBecause you're doing planningI shouldI'm supposed toMr. Monfort, I see you want to say somethingIn regard to what Mr. Secretary is sayingI think it's rightWe need to be looking at the longer term pictureAnd when you're working in a field likeConservation, for example, I've been 30 yearsI've seen administrations come and goWe can still continue to make progressAnd you look calmWell, we don't have a choiceSo my idea is toKeep our eye on the ball with respect toWhere we're trying to goI think that we can be successfulI like to focusI tend to be an optimist, I supposeBut I am concerned thatThe whole issue of climate changeIn effect has almost overshadowedThe more basic damage that we've doneTo the environment for hundreds of yearsAnd I'm talking about things that we all knowPollution and habitat lossFragmentation invasive speciesAnd those types of causesSo I think we haveIn keeping our eye on the ballThat means not just looking atClimate change and mitigationLet's just say that climate changeGreat success happensAnd 20, 50 years from nowWe check that off as a successWhat are we going to doIf our natural capital, our ecosystemHave been destroyedThey're not functioningThose trillions of dollars of benefitsWon't be recoveredThese are things that we just takeFor granted, I thinkBut clean air, clean waterFood and fuel and fiberThese are essential to our survivalWe need to pay attention to that as wellOh my god, Mr. MonfortYou are making us struggling with prioritiesFor this discussionWhat can we do, Ms. Hilton?I think it's very important to understandWe on this panelI'm sure we think about these things all the timeThere are economists, industrialistsAnd politicians who don't think about it at allAnd they make their decisionsUnrelated to this emergencyEverybody has toMake informed decisionsInformed by climateBecause otherwiseWe're not going to get thereAnd that changesThe way we think about economicsI heard you say that very oftenIn many of the previous discussionWe had as wellBut I really want you to explain to our audienceSitting here today, for exampleAbout exactly using what kinds of mechanismYou will make the politiciansAnd the decision makersLike Mr. SecretaryAnd particularly his colleaguesTo look much longer term Than just next year's electionOr the year after the nextRight, for the politiciansThe different answersThat's a billion dollar questionTrillion dollar question, I have to sayFor the politiciansIt's the people who need to demandOf their politiciansThat they do the right thingFor all the other sectorsThat's the role of public policyHow do you transform an economic equationFrom the negative to the positiveThrough taxThrough incentivesThrough those thingsHow?The question is how, isn't it?What is a how?How should we answer that how?Well, the how isIt depends on the sectorYou're looking atA high price on carbon is one howYou know, penaltiesFor doing the kind of damageThat Steve's been talking aboutIs another howYou know, when you setYour resource extraction prioritiesYou absolutely need to factorIn resource economicsAnd environmental economicsThis isn't a linearChina went in one directionFor nearly 20 yearsAnd now is paying the priceAnd it's really importantThat China doesn't transmitThe negative lessons to other countriesBut transmits the positive onesWell, Miss Hilton seems toAlways have a lot of concernsAbout ChinaProfessor LinWhat do you thinkNot necessarily China's approachBut really the bigger questionAbout how exactlyHow can we build itInto the mechanismSo that governance could bePay attention to thatNo matter which countryOr which economyWe are talking aboutA little bit longer termLet me first comment on thePriorityIn fact, if you look atThe priority of ecosystemAir pollution and CO2It looks like CO2 is actuallyVery far away from politiciansThe eco air pollutionIt's actually more closerBecause for exampleThe air pollution in BeijingReally asking the governmentTo reduce the coldBending near the BeijingVery quicklySo theI would say thatIn fact thatAll those are mixed togetherEnvironmental are integratedInto each otherFor example, if ChinaTry to reduce the CO2You have to reduce the coldWe do the coldWe do the air pollutionAlmost otherWater pollutionIt's sexualEverything are linked togetherSo I would believe thatThe target is basically thereEnvironmentAir pollution, CO2They are all togetherNow as your second questionThe second question isHow are we going to do itAnd I believe thatDifferent countriesWe have different approachesWhat about ChinaLike to sayChina is exampleChina now is quite clearWe are looking atA better quality GDPWhat I mean is thatIt can matter by several indicatorsLike GDP per energy consumptionHow much GDP we produceEfficiencyRightAnd the energy structureAll of those areVery good indicatorsOf how a ChinaMoving forwardIn terms of theA better environmentAnd also less CO2MeasAnd I believe thatAlmost applied to other countries tooWe can not only justDon't get one indicatorOr oneWe have to balancePicturesApproachAnd we've all signed upTo the sustainable development goalsWe should lay that outSo we do have a roadmapYou asked howI think that there areI have two commentsOne is related toAwarenessOf course theClimate change providesOr creates a hugeIs a hugeThere's a huge potentialFor economic growthAnd not necessarilyEverybody is awareOf the potentialSo many people wouldOtherwise think ofEnvironment climate changeAs an opportunity forDoing businessFor making a lot of moneySo it's a matterOf communicationAnd awarenessBoth for theBusiness communityAnd for politiciansAnd number twoIt has to do withThe thing related toWinners and losersSo we have to developPolices in a wayTo mitigateRisks involvedRisks associatedWith those that are losingWhen we promoteAll these new technologiesSo we know what to doAnd the thing againIs related toThe tension betweenShort and long termWell I guess my point was thatGovernment policies andRegulatory frameworks and so onAre very importantBut the private sectorThe business sectorThey have the ability toMove forward on their ownAnd to do things in aSustainable wayBecause it makes economic senseOr because it'sIt's their customersDemand itLet's saySo I'm confidentI'm more confident Than in the private sectorBeing innovativeAnd partneringIn creative waysTo make solutionsThen I am in governmentsTo regulate our wayTo solutionsBut since we were strugglingWith the priority questionThat you have been raisingEarlierMr. ManforThe same withInvolving the private sectorIt is going to beVery helpfulObviouslyTo sustain this approachAnd yetWhen the private sectorIs involvedWe all understandMr. ManfordIs asking for attentionAnd particularly regardingTheir own sectorAnd their own industryAnd thereforeThere's another issueAbout prioritiesWhen it comes toPolicy makers decisionsMr. ManfordI'm not sorryI'm sorryI get the questionThe question isWhen private sectorsInvolvedThey all want to haveThe biggest attentionFor their own sectorsAnd thereforeThere is a priorityStrugglingFor the governanceIn a wayTo figure outI think it's commonThere areDifferent companiesTo want to be seenAs leadersI think it's the sameFor ChinaIn terms ofShowing leadershipNow in theirNew programsWhat about for theUnited States nowI'm not talkingAbout the federalGovernmentI'm talking aboutPrivate sectorAnd some of theOther areasIt's not justAbout ChinaShowing the leadershipIt's aboutEverybody doingTheir partIsn't itMr. ManfordYes, it isGive me some examplesThe companiesThat come to mindLike WalmartLet's sayOr MarsThese are companiesThat are voluntarilyMoving towardZero carbonFootprintsWithin the nextDecadeSo they're takingThese moves on theirOwn becauseI think it's beenThe longerThe short-termAdministrativeMoves byThe TrumpAdministrationAnd they're lookingFor the longerTerm so they'reLooking beyondOne administrationAnd makingChangesI think it'sBecause theyThink it'sThe right thingTo doBut it's alsoEconomically beneficialAnd their customersAre beginningTo expect itBut ultimatelyIt's becauseIt makes senseFrom aProfit point of viewNot only innovationWhen it comesTo toolsBut also innovationWhen it comesTo mechanismProfessor LinChina has beenAdvocatingTogether withSome of the otherPartnersAbout the so calledBeldum Road Initiative endShickenSoSoBecauseYou actuallyAdeptSoBut importBe readyAdv FolgePerceptsYou alreadyAdeptAdv dieseThey areAdeptAd延期And it isAdeptAdjustU PrincessThatAd believingAdcAdeptAdactAdep我們要跟那些資料需要的資料和國內的資料我剛才說過各種國家都有不同的方式但我們希望各種國家和國內的資料和國內的資料我們不必再重複中國做什麼從20多年來但是希望是一件對確保這件事如果我們可以因為中國開始用很低的技術但是現在我們有更新的技術其實我們國內的資料是最好在世界上最 efficient in the world還有我們Wone and Sola還有 others所以我希望中國在一起和國內的資料使用更新的技術使用更新的技術我們不必再重複中國在過去做什麼我覺得很重要我們不只在中國也有實際的參與進行努力現在我剛才說過各種國家有不同的方式我們可以做的是要成為中國的政府和其他國家有什麼感受從最低的技術像是每個國家在發展的地步我們也要記住我們不想再說我們在發展的地步我們還可以做得更好然後變成綠色但是總統我們來自國內的經濟所以我們知道實際上我們也知道國內的發展有很多不同的級別包括國內的經濟政策我們自己的經濟所以我剛才說的最好的訓練可能會是最好的訓練在非常高級的執行而且在大陸的照片中還可以做得更好這就是當國內的經濟與其他國家和國內的發展我們可以確保最好的訓練會是最初的選擇就是每個人的選擇我認為我們必須提供發展的經濟是要提供更好的再來是在大陸的國內的經濟已經在國內的經濟已經成為大陸的經濟上場的經濟對大陸的社會努力努力對大陸的經濟對大陸的經濟對對對在不同的bürnomes和所有youtube社會的項目這非常有機的中國進行建設日常的新技術建立新的環境正常的應用方式其他政府還有可以做做的這令我想,關於它是關於政治的規律也關於這個新的技術的關鍵所以有很多在共產黨和民主黨之間的關鍵 Ms Hilton我認為這是一個極端的機會我認為中國真的需要正確地採取正確的領域因為你提到的大部分國家在各個國家的駱鑽路是大約三次中國的大部分大約一三個中國的媒體和資金他們想要發展中國的決定在發展的那些項目上它在發展的那些項目上它會決定如何發展這些國家因為中國是最大的地方如果中國發展中國的建築物在三國那些建築物會被建造現在中國是建造的中國最多建築物的建築物中國的建築物在 Egypt 或在南宇是不大多的建築物他們在建築物中建造了高雷其他建築物沒有建築物中國仍然可以所以中國的領域我明白中國想要拆除你不想有中國的建築物中國在家中做得好但看著它在建築它不在建築這是中國的領域中國的建築物會很棒我要請教你首先要解釋建築物和建築物是中國建築物還是中國建築物跟其他建築物還有決定製造所有的建築物也要做好這是我們必須要解釋建築物跟所有的建築物這是中國的建築物中國不可以決定建築物的建築物這應該是一種有些建築物中國會認為這個建築物這是一種中國的建築物有更多的建築物跟其他國家也有更好的建築物我再回到建築物的建築物很多建築物建築物的建築物這是我們必須建築物建築物人籍跟建築物教聖犀 Pay建築物建築物是此之始建築物建築物建築物建築物那就是建築的建築物它是利用全都要充滿能量但這不可能所以在未來我們會有選擇自然駕駛或駕駛對中國現在是自然駕駛因為中國沒有駕駛駕駛和駕駛那些很清淡但只是太小不可以充滿能量所以我們必須選擇改變我們在看全球,全球我們能夠找到自然駕駛的方式是最好充滿能量我們要討論空空計劃王先生,我必須跟您說因為您知道您的情況很早前我明白美國現在是一開始給空空計劃特別是空空計劃在這個領域您可以看到這項些 אח源特別是空空計劃而且這些窗所可以造成玩意憲法形成空空計劃平衡器將導致客家建造對孔叫的第二點孔叫來森振角回到中國的意識中國開始出售它是在中國用的貿易生產的方式在中國它們在使用一個經濟環境和社會的和環境的影響他們在做一個很好的工作他們在正確的方式但當你進入國家發展的程度問題是他們的同一項會如何應付我認為他們應該如果中國想展開領導他們應該要在這項領導和領導他們的領導在這項項項項項項項但回到我的原則是如果你想知道你是否能夠成功達到你的領導你必須要知道基礎是我告訴你我自己的經驗在北非在沙律沙律我看到一個情況中國的貿易生產在這項項項項項項項當他們進入他們有特別的保護和優惠沒有發展沒有辦法看見很多的傷害在黑暗中所以必須有發展必須有有天氣的標準必須有保護和優惠發展這是國際領導讓我來 professor liin因為中國在這項項項項項項詳細講問問蒙佛的問題我問我們要去查看另一個項目那是中國在做這些事為了批評所謂的領導領導這是最後的目標這是一個項目或是這個項目是中國的自己的保護和優惠一起和其他經濟我覺得這是重要的而中國在做別人的也要做因為不是一個國家美國美國中國和巴西而是要一起做一項是一個國家做另一個說我們來看看他們在做什麼或一個國家做另一個國家來說我們來做也就是說都是中國全?..還有美國中國美國我們我們我們我們這是一個很多中國的經濟體驗可以使用美國和歐洲的聯盟不可以使用這些國家但中國的國家可以使用這些國家這是一個第二個使用前進的技術這就是這就是前進對於國家的發展的情況所以我覺得這兩個如果中國總之有一個合作的方式有一個合作的方式在支持國家的發展他們都會好在前進的技術會更好這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是這就是如果我們真的明白這件事這是一個很重要的問題這是一個很重要的問題這件事需要在一起的努力和創造我們要做更多的在於在能夠給予大家的能力和能夠給予大家的能力我們有很少時間在這件事中我想大家可以看到您的 own perspective這就是該的議題但是我擁有更多的瘋狂的觀眾在這裡坐著今天我看到有許多有名的臉書在自己的經濟中和自己的股份中和自己的維持發展和自己的維持領導所以我可以打電話給您有留言和問題和建議您的想法我們先到這位先生 Prof. Qi, good to see youWell thank youWhy don't you introduce yourselfand thensay your comments and questionsPlease commentand a question for Prof. Linand Miss HiltonMy comments is about the carbon peakWe have recently published a pieceon carbon peakand we realize this phrasecarbon peak can be misleadingIn fact, according to our studywe have entered a phaseof carbon plant holestarting 2014and that can last for a decade longuntil 2024is not going to declinethe carbon emissionsis not going to declineuntil after 2024so this is a long period of timethen myand therefore what does that meanwell I mean this isdo not expect a peakthen a sharp decline real quicklyit will last for a whilethis has a lot to doof course with the economyeconomic slow downbut it also has a lot to dowith the long-term targetfor carbonfor total energy consumptionmade by China2016and also the substitutionof coaland other fossil fuelwith solar windmy question for Prof. Linis there any factoryou identify that we seein the futuresearchthe researchof carbon emissionand also for Isabelgiven thatwe have not seenany significant successfor carbon market worldwidewhat are the reasonswe shouldn't expectChina will succeedin carbon marketthank youwonderfulI'll collect the questionand get the answer togetherthank you so muchand I seesome other familiar facesMr. ZhangJibinintroduce yourselfthank youthis is Zhang Jieyufrom Enormity Defense FundI just want to have severalcomments with regard to the greenleaderthere's a Chinese sayingthatTinqi and Guanjixingso youlisten to what they saybut more importantto watch what they doso look at Chinathat'slet's do the analysisfirst Chinadefinitely has said thatin the 19th Party CongressreportPresident Xi saidin the field of climate changeChina not only want to bea participant, a contributorbut also want to be atourist leaderso they actually say thatand then let's seewhat China has donethat we all know aboutthe situation in Beijingabout the air pollutiondisasterbut we knowChina has advancedthe progress in cleaning upand well advancedat the original planin the past three yearsand they have startedto make a new planand also this peaking thingthat ProfessorTi talk aboutI just actuallyfor a quick commenton the peakingI think peaking is realwhether China has setof the targetthe peaking is realbut more importantlyI want to saywhether we should examinewhether China hastaken on the leadershipwhich I think it isI mean we're talkingabout buildingthe largest carbon marketin the worldbut it's aboutto answer your questionthe EU has started to reformtheir systembecause China is buildingso we actually seethe surge of EU pricefrom $5 to 18 eurosright nowwe just saw in Californiathat California is actuallytrying to adoptbuy some creditfrom Brazilof your RADDanti-deforestationavoiddeforestation creditso that leadershiphas already been examinedlastly I just want tosay thatI think we want peopleto compete for theleadershipthere should beno shiniesbeing the green leaderin the worldbecause that's stillgoing to bethe universal commonlanguageevery human beingshould useyou got all geared upand ask geared upas wellthank you so muchMr. Zhangthis lady please这边中间这边尽快I'm Zhou Chengfrom Taixin MediaI'd like to askas we can seethere are not many audienceshereI don't knowif you are satisfiedwith the situationabout thispublic awarenesson climate changeare you satisfiedI think this ismaybe nota good examplebecause it'searly morning sessionso do you haveother more profoundquestions than thisI think it's quitebutton to gainpublic awarenesson climate changenowareare thespec guests herethey just thinkthepolicy makersand governanceisquiteok greatany other commentsthe further downthere that gentlemanover thereat the backyesmy name isDoug Woodringfrom Ocean Recovery AllianceI just wonderif any of thepanelistsknowChinain thedebateaboutteriffshad thoughtaboutif we'regonna do tit for tattariffrebuttleanywaywhy theydid notor could theyrebutwith atariffoncarbonto the USas part of astatementto the worldthat they'releadingbecause thenyou would haveon the side ofChinasupportingthatand I'm wonderingwhy thisdidn't happenand stillcould it happenand the nextquestion isso you're hereto helpingChina to fightthe trade waragainstthe United StatesChina isnot startinganythingbutChinacertainlyit's aboutthe environmentand it's abouta PRangle forthe environmentif you'reclean tax cutsand barrier-freegreen capital marketsbetween countrieswhich is essentiallythe exact oppositeof tariff barriersfor the green industriesthat you aretrying to promote.Thank you, sir.Is that it?Final question.Final comments.We have to be quick.Our answer has to bevery briefafter this.I'm Erzlerfrom Ukraineand work ingreen economy sector.And we havevery dynamicsby energywhich is like 35%growingeach year in Ukraine.So,I'm just wonderinghow is going in Chinawithsalt by masssectorand overall by energylikewhat's the roleof green economyin China?What is the role ofsalt by masssectorand by energyoverall?I see.Thank you.I think we connecteda lot of commentsand also approaches.Let me come backto the panelvery brieflyif we can.Let's talkabout some of the waysof doing things.Whether carbon marketis working in China,in the EUfor example,rules to improveand whether we shoulduse other toolssuch asgreen tax cuts,clean energytax cuts,things like thatin order toreally make the systemwork.Let meleave the commentscoming fromsome of you.I think Isabeland alsoProfessor Lin.Yes.Please.Mr. edgegoodin Europeis very goodquestion.I would hopeexperienceis在公民的意識 現在最多的驚訝是說 公民確實是知道的有關 climate change甚至在美國 超越他們會喜歡政府的行動我不會認為有些政治高層的措施如果您喜歡以公民的行動的抗爭以及這個形式的特別興趣但是公民其實會受到我認為會喜歡看到更多的行動 Whether they are here for this morning session is one thing, because this is only a discussion, it's early morning session, but if you ask people in China, in Beijing, in Tianjin, in Dalian, in many other cities, about the environment and the air quality, everybody is more than so-called aware, the question is whether they want to be aware and at the same time do something, so all the audience coming over here for the morning session, you agree, but anyway, let's throw it back to Professor Lin, some of the brief comments to your colleagues and friends.- Yes.- Very briefly about Professor Chi's question. Right now, for the comment to be negative in China, the call has to be negative, because we all know that for now until 2024, as you mentioned at the time, the gas and oil demand will continue to increase to be positive, so we need a negative call to offset the positive from gas and oil.- Now, the wider call could be positive or not, it depends on the economic demand, economic energy demand, which is very difficult to predict. For example, the economy today is not as good as possibly as economy three years ago, but the energy demand is much higher than the three years ago, so that got to do with the industrial structure, got to do with the economic activity.- What I want to say is pretty difficult to predict at this moment. I'm hoping that when the green renewable, green big enough such that we don't have to depends on the call to be negative, then we have a chance of the negative demand.- Mr. Monfort, I know I shouldn't pick on you, but I have to pick on you about whether the so-called trade war should be fighting in an environmental way.- I'm going to stay out of that, but I want to say, though, that the awareness issue I think in the United States is very high, and I think there's a sense of hopelessness on some level, people don't know what to do.- When given alternatives that are environmentally sound, that help to contribute to solving the problem, they take them, but they need better solutions in the market.- Yes, Mr. Secretary, of course I would love to invite your wisdom as well about the governance issue many have mentioned over here.- I have two takes on that. One is, again, because this is a global topic, it requires a global governance.- And the second topic related to awareness that somebody raised. One thing is being aware, and the second thing is related to if people are okay to pay the cost for doing more and better in terms of environmental protection,- So, that's why we need a policy that prevents free riding, both at the domestic level and at the global level as well, so there's a lot to do here.- Well, I have to say, ladies and gentlemen, we are running out of time for a very brief discussion about a gigantic project.- And I have to say, of all of our panelists, they are very frank and direct, while at the same time instrumental, constructive in putting forward their suggestions about the issue.- And you are great at the same time in helping us to go much deeper about the topic and to take a look at it with the whole background behind us.- Thank you so much for being with us, and that is all the time we have for this special program of World Insight with Tianwei on CGTN.- This is a joint session between China Global Television Network and the World Economic Forum.- Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen, for being with us. Really appreciate it.- 導播可以了嗎? Just a second.- 可以了嗎? 可以了嗎? 導播可以了?- 可以了,他說可以了. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it.- 來,我們這幾位嘉賓到台上來跟我們一起來合個影吧.- Professor Qi.- 四文多,請你給代.- 你好.