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make sure to use the code may special for that discount enjoy the podcast hey do you guys ever have a friend that you know okay your friends with but just because they're they're so nefarious or what's the word they're such douches or whatever that simply hanging out with them is something that your girlfriend or wife is like no I don't care what you do I don't care if you go to you know breakfast yeah I don't want you around that guy have you ever had a friend like that well yeah yeah I don't know if I'd label me as a douche because of that I think that he's my infamous yeah yeah that you're searching for the word that I mean it's your friend right so you're gonna call them a douche you know what I mean problematic yeah you know I mean like that one friend that your girl is like in trouble yeah like she knows like I don't care what you do I don't mean you can't even you know drive him to the airport I don't around this person right you know I'm talking about he's the one I always used to use as an excuse of like oh well you know Joe made me do it yeah exactly like he's that guy you know who's like that the worst in the world who Epstein so you hang out with Epstein whoa whoa you get divorced you set me up for this you guys see what happened with the Bill Gates thing I did dude there's like there's a couple conspiracies floating around and I think I brought it up a little bit but I didn't realize like there's actually something that is interesting I want you guys to speculate on just a little bit right so apparently you know they had actually planned on well Melinda is her name right Gates had planned with a lawyer to go through with a divorce in 2019 based off of like his relationship with Epstein and was uncomfortable with it didn't like that old thing he apparently was on his private plane okay this was 2019 also Jeff Bezos filed for divorce 2019 that whole thing went down obviously we knew like his pictures dick pics and all that got leaked yeah kind of led in that direction so that one wasn't like as you know spicy he also hung out with Epstein he also hung out with Epstein so so you have that I feel like this is the six degrees from Kevin Bacon it's almost impossible yeah so I'm wondering if anybody in here knows about any kind of a loophole in terms of being able to liquidate stock by getting a divorce and how that works in terms of being able to acquire you know that and turn that into cash without causing any kind of hysteria in the market where it drops all of a sudden now everybody's like oh what's happening all the stock is you know he's taking it out versus just getting a divorce kind of diffuses that interesting so let's so for example I'm gonna paint a story you tell me if this is what you're talking about let's say I'm a politician or I own a company or I work with the company just pretend I hear Bill Gates and I know and I know yeah I know that there's gonna be some bad news coming out about a company that I'm tied to and I've got let's say I don't know 50 million dollars tied up there but I know that the news is gonna come out you know next year it's gonna tank my shit and if I sell it all and then the news comes out SEC is gonna be you know on my ass right so getting a divorce getting a divorce is a way to say look we liquidated it because we had to split it and this will be agreed to do is that what you're saying that's what I'm saying did he do that well it looks like that oh well what company what company was about the tank or what you give me now what do you do yeah oh no I'm they're speculating this in terms of like like like what happened with pandemic and everything else and like being able to kind of like prepare you know their assets and gain and acquire assets before everything market crash interesting yeah but I mean divorce is expensive so you know I mean must be a big win and also like how much of us do you know do we know how much he's his stock that he sold off then for this do we know do we have any idea how much was liquidated it was it was a hefty amount I'd have to have Doug pull that up yeah Doug find out how much was liquidated I didn't even I didn't know that's what happened what stock I just I just thought you just like I think it's Microsoft oh really not I don't know yeah well I mean that would be my guess interesting well the part that's real is that she definitely this is this was mainstream news Melinda had issues with his relationship with Epstein voiced it and in fact this was something that she talked to a divorce lawyer apparently about when it happened so they're there now the speculation is that this is the main driver behind their divorce well and everybody was and this is where I didn't want to go to conspiratorial because everybody's I've been hammering him because he's such a vocal proponent of the vaccines and like why was he at the forefront of all this like immediately you know like he has already had all the systems in place to basically you know sell his his vaccine out there well that that part doesn't necessarily because he's always kind of been he's been preaching that for a long time for a long time yeah that part doesn't but the part that is weird is that he did have a relationship with Epstein he said he just talked to him one time because he's looking for investors mm-hmm but they're saying he was on his plane and whatever and you who else was on Epstein's plane a lot who Bill Clinton yeah oh we know yeah we talked about those all seen the record like a ton there they're public I mean oh dude he had a and Bill isn't exactly known for being that's old he's the guy that he's not the most faithful guy in the bar yet a picture of him and is in his in his place come on you gotta be pretty closer I mean imagine I we're pretty close I don't have a painting of one of you fuckers in my house you did that'd be weird yeah I imagine if someone found that would be like what is that that is such a power move to have a go to your friends on the wall and dress and like high heels imagine if you went over to Adam's house right and like you go to the bathroom and there's a painting of you but like wearing a dress I'm gonna do this just as black man like release this you guys I like you but we have to fight very weird very weird thing that's going on that is weird and you know it is sad because they're it's such a visible thing because they're celebrities and whatever but I mean they were married for so long it is strange to get divorced after being married for so long yeah that's it's way rare right no divorces typically happen when people are like in the beginning of their marriage you know that's what the statistics are right I don't know I don't know what that what that I think they're I think it spikes again after the kids are out of college and stuff too though right I think that is another actually you're right you're right because people stay together and then when the kids leave they're like all right now we're we don't have to be together anymore that's speaking of weird stuff did you see the I don't know the name of the girl but she is doing it she's on only fans and is selling her a video of her live birth is that right you might get I'm gonna pull it up right now dude yeah wow so this is a demand yeah I'm gonna pull this up so only star fan only fan star excuse me plans to live stream birth for $12,000 and has offers to sell her breast milk hmm good what in the hell she's the only fans mom from the UK parents are so proud oh okay is it 12,000 a person don't come in and watch I have no idea it says Carla Bellucci is her name so say a 39 year old mom to be I'm here Doug I'll send you this link here so you could pull it up because we gotta take a look at and see what she looks like because that's a lot of money to watch someone do yeah something like that I'm texting it to you right now yeah what I want to know the kind of dudes that are like excited about yeah so Carla Bellucci 39 year old mom to be recently decided to cash in on her growing baby bump through fetishes so people with fetishes with this on only fans okay like you know I get the whole like fetish stuff but but like the live birth part of it where does that come from bro if I don't know like pregnant ladies you know I get that you know yeah she's attractive yeah okay I don't okay it says for 12,000 is it 12,000 per viewer is that because that could be a lot of money this chick's gonna I don't know I mean maybe yeah I assume right dude that's weird bro that's your thing you're into like women having babies okay what are you doing click on her Instagram and tell me how many followers yes I don't know who this is like I don't know her 117,000 oh that's it okay so she will not that's that's it like I'm that's still not as I thought she'd be someone well bro you only need okay this is the I guess the beauty and the bad about the internet is if you want to find people that are into I don't know smelling your feet or something like that you'll find them on the internet like it exists yeah that's why I'm telling you guys like our fallback is that right so if this doesn't work out just slap you with stakes yeah just really balloon porn or something like that's something I bet you that's something sure I'm sure it is too I bet you things people around porn weird weird that is weird she's pretty though she's a pretty woman yeah and I mean look pregnant I found my wife extremely beautiful when she was pregnant but it was me it wasn't necessarily because wife yeah but it wasn't like a fetish it was more like she's a mom and she's you know that's so that was that's always a you know for me that's a yeah good thing yeah I don't know I yeah I got opinions that I'll keep to myself hey so you did you dry scoop that that pure there I I mean I can are you gonna do that like like who was talking about this was it in the comment section or like cuz we brought this up yeah somebody was like oh like oh hardcore hold on have you ever dry scoop a powder yeah dude you have oh yeah if you choke right now and blow out powder probably don't breathe oh god don't sneeze dude oh oh oh I like the idea though of a pure with a rock star that sounds like together that sounds like a good time yeah yeah no I used to but you know like let's let's give it a little so it okay now it's the first time that organify has sent us the the so instead of the individual packets it comes in a little did they always have that I didn't know they had that for pure I think it's brand new I was gonna say I don't think they had that before it does it tastes good though doesn't it's good yes not even like a bad thing yeah you're not tough for doing that no well I mean I used to try it's very tang-esque right don't you think it kind of taste like Tang remember Tang yeah I don't know how many people watching like I know it's the thing you're talking about poontang yeah Tang was a drink an orange drink that actually did you know they sent that up to them was it the moon or up into space yeah I was the first the astronauts had it this was like so back in the day they would sell Tang as like a health drink did you guys know this look up Doug look up Tang let's look at the ingredients I'm sure it still exists no it's an or it's like an orange powdery drink it was so good you mix it in water it's like it's like a crappy version of Sunny D yeah and they and they would sell it as like this health thing it's basically cool yeah look at me still go it don't make it it's astronaut what's the ingredients Walmart find that it's hard to see well of course the first ingredient ingredient is sugar yeah then fructose okay more sugar acid okay I'm trying to read this label is kind of on an angle here yeah I think the rest is just a bunch of it's just stuff it's just gargum and other things it's just a tasty orange colored drink but they used to advertise it is like this healthy thing like vitamin Z it's all about the astronauts to they they were selling it because the astronauts that supposedly were drinking Tang is it exclusive to Walmart is that what it is they just have it maybe they own the brand no I don't think so do you speaking of Walmart saw a funny clip of Shaquille O'Neal I didn't know this story I thought that was interesting he holds the daily record for the most money spent at Walmart in a day no yeah yeah yeah he's $70,000 the hell did he buy for me Walmart's a lot of shit I know while he tells the story was I want to believe it I believe it was when he went to Miami what he was traded to another team he goes there he has a house I spent about 70,000 a woman one night I spent so much American American Express about my credit card was stolen but nothing was set up so he had nothing so he literally in one night drove he said it was like a two o'clock in the morning or something crazy it was like really late at night and went there and just TV to bro I mean everything you could think of that you would want four TVs laptops computers I mean he needed all the you all the stuff for the kitchen you need everything for the bathrooms like all in one shot so you such a philanthroper too right he has so many cool things that nobody knows yeah do you know that he does that that's something really cool about Shaquille I like like I think he says every day he does like a deed like that where he finds a random person like just like gives money to him and he doesn't talk about like he was only only did I know about this because somebody asked about this and he doesn't post it on a social he doesn't promote it he just does it's something that he's done well he was just at the Jonas Brothers like saw that you see that he was in the crowd he's like yeah he's like a real fan I don't I don't know a ton about basketball but wasn't he the one of the first guys that kind of ushered in the era of like the big muscular strong kind of basketball player was that kind of was he I know he was a part of that right being like this this huge center that was just dominating there like in a period of time basketball players changed seven foot almost 300 pound yeah he was immovable you know you're not gonna yeah there I mean before him there was nobody of that size and weight that could play basketball I mean there he was the yeah all the tall guys were really skinny yeah exactly if you look go back and look at the basketball history like anybody that was you know seven foot range they were lanky and really really lean right where he was like the first Dr. J. whatever beefy and first someone of that size I mean he's obviously he's been teased forever in his career but I mean his footwork at that size is unbelievable I mean to watch normally when you watch like a center and you know playing basketball they're like in slow motion when you compare them to a guard yeah and Shaq's footwork and speed for his size was incredible now he looks slow to us when you compare him to all the other pros that he's playing but you know if he were to get and play well when you're that big he dominated in the paint yeah so so him and what's his name was the other guy Toby no no no that what's that show that he's on that you showed us oh yeah Charles Barkley him and Barkley oh such great chemistry what a grazing chemistry what a great duo I mean they did they mess with each other that laughs you can obviously tell that they obviously have one so many Emmys for that show it's so good yeah what now what did you pull up it was like a highlight clip of that show yeah so I love I mean I honestly when I look at content to try and emulate or what I would like us the vibe to feel like very similar obviously they're in basketball we're in fitness but the dynamic between you know Ernie and Kenny and Shaq and and Charles is I feel similar to ours the only difference that between us and there I mean there's a lot of differences but I'm comparing my self very similar yeah maybe you can't even tell the difference who's who I'm a little less black I could fit in his pocket well I mean we our stuff is you know we don't have anything scripted we don't have the content that we prepare is normally one of us brings brings the content where the difference is Ernie actually really is the mastermind behind that like he and they just riff off of his yeah so he really he steers that whole thing and a lot of people unless you've seen like Ernie's documentary on ESPN you may not know that that you just man they're just so unbelievable the dynamic between them the conversation way flows but Ernie really has like a huge he has thought out the whole entire show has all these notes and then he kind of like you know he throws the crumbs out there and lets them kind of battle and talk shit have fun and then if they start to trail off he runs them on yeah you'll see he rains them in or he'll direct the conversation over to Kenny to kind of get it to another subject like it's really brilliant when you look at it doesn't feel that way but it wouldn't work without their chemistry you know I mean of course yeah that's that's what makes it fun to watch is when you see a group and they have really good you know I chemistries I feel like it's a word that we use because we don't know how to define you know like oh it's just chemistry right but I don't know what other word to use well you call it the x-factor that's what you like to call it I call Justin the x-factor yeah yeah annoying yeah annoying we'd be without Justin Adam well yeah we would be a lot less light oh my god serious haters education yeah I did we did that one only the last episode we did I at the at the beginning this is on YouTube so on our YouTube channel we often give away like you know often every episode every episode right and so what I said in the beginning was hey leave us a comment and tell us who your favorite host is right totally unprepared for everyone to say Justin it was not the case bro there's plenty of Sal in there 90% I think people felt bad after seeing all the Justin's let's throw them a crumb we guys it said me that's about all I had well I mean desirable you are a you are a toasty is what I think I've a snack a big snack delicious not a little snack you're like that one of those descriptors you know speaking of of snacks and we talked about tang early I can't get this out of my head do you guys do you guys know one of the first like nutritional drinks that was sold like to the mainstream slim fast no no that's a diet drink but yeah that's a good one that one's been around for a while nutritional drink yeah like it's this is good for you drink it give it to your kids got nutrients and whatever probably I see you're some oval team oh oh you guys remember that yeah do they even make that anymore they do I think what the hell is over to me I mean all of a sudden like Nessie quick came right after that oh that's they weren't pretending yeah but they weren't pretending to be they're just like yeah we're gonna add more I used to be sugar I liked I was one of the few kids that like strawberry Nestle I don't like the chocolate give me the strawberry one yeah and all my friends are like what's wrong with you yeah but all team was weird bro it was like what is it it's like malt something drink chocolate malt it's like it's a milkshake but what's made with chocolate milk yeah it's not made with chocolate made with cocoa or something I imagine it's cocoa it's derived from that it's made with like what's malt I mean this is Doug's generation should be the one that Doug had he Doug's Doug got the decoder ring when he was a kid so you get the free you know oval team the same substance they put in those whoppers remember those candies like malted milk balls is that what that is yes malt it's it comes from wheat I believe the whole team does yes wheat so you're just drinking it you're just drinking gluten yeah maybe barley it could be barley let me double which is also packed for I think pack packed full of gluten see when I was a kid that was the first supplement that I took I saw a little team yeah because I saw I've always been fanatic for my mom loved it she ticker pills with yeah so I was as a kid I remember you know I was young I'm talking about like 10 right and I'm already thinking like what can I take to get jacked at 10 years old this one I was eating spinach cuz a pop I or whatever wow so I got the low down on this when you're ready yeah tell us go ahead so malt is germinated cereal grain that has been dried in a process known as malting the grain is made to germinate by soaking in water and is then halted from germinating further by drying with halt hot air various cereals are malted though barley is the most common so wow and what a great marketing this is good for you really yeah not really but when I was a kid again I remember I saw what was a I saw something I was an old TV show and the kid was drinking oval teen is like oh it's good you know makes you strong or whatever vitamins so I'm like mom I want oval teen yeah please and I would take it every morning at 10 years old really yes dude I'd go downstairs and I'd mix up my own thinking this is my first supplement and I'm taking it two gallons of milk a week like that was my thing really yeah I was really into drinking milk I'm sure you have no dairy and none none at all yeah yeah I bought in wholeheartedly that you know the milk was does a body good his is a pasty poop is not a result of a different dollar listen you guys you can you can essentially yeah you could build a sensual nutrient you know in my diet you could build a hut with what's that stuff called adobe it's like adobe right you can like build it adobe yeah wow what did you build here in the wilderness Justin thanks milk yeah anyway I'm gonna take a crazy left turn here and tell you about something terrifying that's right just so you know this is well if you're watching this way I couldn't take a bright turn here let me do the thing but it was falling left right okay remember that when you're a kid the L anyway no did you know the Russians ready for this damn Russians man they developed a tsunami nuke have you heard of this they're called Poseidon no so they named it Poseidon this is what it does it literally cruises along the bottom of the ocean so it's just like blows up right before land and then it just causes like a tsunami massive tsunamis to annihilate with radioactive water to annihilate coastal towns you know this is how there's a little variance in that like it I mean godzilla what what the fuck I feel like Russia sometimes the by the way you know the Soviet Union had by far the biggest nuke of all time I think it was the Tsar Bomba TSAR BOMBA which was something like thousands of time or more powerful than than than Hiroshima so I feel Russia's strategy is like here's a deal if you attack us will kill everyone you know I mean which is pretty effective strategy because nobody wants to fuck guy we want the biggest bomb yeah you're not gonna mess with the guy that's like I mean you can fight me but then world to get a dog is as to I've heard people say that we have nukes that could blow up the world seven times over yeah not single nukes but but sorry not single nukes but rather collectively collectively we have so many nukes that we could totally annihilate the earth many many times but not a single nuke they could blow up the earth over I don't think anybody's made you heard that before haven't you heard that statement before someone said oh yeah we could blow up the earth seven times with the amount of nukes that we have but it's collectively not collectively not a single one not a single one I don't know what the I don't know what the value would be in something are we still testing these things in the ocean that was always like mind boggling to me yeah it was like bikini beach or bikini island the bikini atolls yeah so I mean we just tested so many nuclear weapons and in hydrogen bombs out there and it's like dude like that stays in the environment forever so I was when I was a kid I was fascinated by nuclear weapons I thought they were so interesting and I would watch you know I try and find pictures and whatever and now they have they've released all these testing videos that were classified so you can actually go on YouTube and pull up videos that hadn't were classified before of nuclear explosions and it's I mean it's fascinating but it's terrifying like these like it looks like I don't even especially watching in slow motion yeah like they have some clips like that now that you can watch you know how that cloud forms and then just engulfs everything you know what the strategy is with these things I don't get all nerdy on this but they date the strategy they figured out early on wasn't to land and nuke on land to blow up it was to to have it detonate you know a couple thousand feet from the ground because it causes more damage crazy spreads out for that's a that's scary stuff dude yeah a little terrifying I heard you're are you starting the Adam and the Vore diet is that what I heard Adam and the Vore yeah I am I don't exactly know what it is but try to mimic it so you're eating me Adam gives you yeah yeah no I heard you talking to the life about what you were wanting for dinner and stuff like that it sounds like you're you're back to the all meat thing or what yeah I was I was sort of waiting that out but I I wanted to get back on the shred well I didn't that's why I wasn't gonna you know bring it up yeah you know I was doing my own version so you know the I don't know he's doing the Justin the Vore yeah but you know that means Adam actually sticks to it that's what it means and it sticks to the toilet I'm gonna beat you guys and punch now what's the motivation is it because we're in Hawaii yeah there's that and it's just like again like I mentioned things and when I mentioned things I follow through with things yeah you're gonna see now it's not there yeah that we'd put it on air dude you better when you guys go to Hawaii July June yeah whenever your vacation was we planned around that yeah yeah July it's like the second week of July it's gonna be fun man it'll be fun to hang out damn you're gonna get shredded I can't hang all the shredded like you're not you know that's what I'm saying and then you get shredded not forget about it it's like stupid you messed up yeah I don't like that you showed your cards to me motivated they don't even know any any nerves at all around the six and a half hour flight with a little wonderland now yes because when I flew to Vegas for an hour that was just that was a little bit of a like okay there was a few nightmare situations oh boy so six and a half hours yeah that might be rough because you got to feed the baby got to do all these probably gonna poop at some point yeah I imagine that yeah I had a rough one when I brought Mike my son like to Hawaii was I had to walk up and down the aisles the whole time is the air pressure and like he already had kind of a cold and so it was miserable but I don't think that's gonna happen I hope man that's gonna put that out there you know that's one of the things that bothers Max more than anything else is that is the air pressure on his ears and so when we just go into Tahoe the climbing the elevation to go to have him get on the boob well no we were driving right so what we do is have we feed him something or give it like he's chewing yeah the chewing will help it a little bit or if we're lucky we can time it to where he falls asleep for that time that period of the transition and it helps but if he's awake when when we go through like when we start climbing to 5,000 or so yeah because what we did with the baby is we just you just go on Jessica's boo because obviously that motion you know whatever and then I'm like honey my ears I fucked I need to help I need to help yeah here's the other one you need to help there's another one back my ears hurt husband on one and then his child wow she's like what are you talking about we're at home right now I don't know but I feel like the pressure change I feel like that would be a funny clip though to catch everybody's reactions on the plane like if you were doing that no but I would agree would you like a beverage sir what a weirdo that's not cool hey do you guys see this thing that they might be doing in San Jose where it's like a pilot program where they're going to I guess they're gonna offer these zero percent loans so like they're giving people money with no interest to build homes in their backyards oh I did hear about that well first is it like a lottery so there's only so many they're choosing yeah it's 20 to 30 so it's a pilot program let's see how well it works and the idea is so here's a deal in the Bay Area we have a shortage of homes and a high demand so that's why the property is so insanely ridiculously expensive here like a track home in San Jose which by the way San Jose is not like this super great area it's just like whatever normal normal place a track home will cost you one and a half to two million dollars like no problem so I guess part of the idea is to increase the you know the availability of homes and stuff and by building them in in backyards I guess so and this is a pilot program yeah now you brought up to me we talked a little bit about this off air that you're like this is gonna fail miserably because how pissed are you if you're a neighbor oh my god to this person who builds in backyard but my argument was I imagine they do this somewhere like on east side where there's already like 30 people living in one track home house as it is I mean maybe but you know that's already already one of the problems is is that if they want to build housing there's so many regulations and things that prevent yeah why don't they just open other areas that they can develop I don't understand what I don't like say dude just I mean you're driving these like podunk areas why not just start developing podunk areas yeah and also and also here's a deal when they try to build high density housing if you so here's a deal if you own a house in the Bay Area you don't want the value of your house to go down and you don't want your neighborhood to change at all so it's in your best interest to prevent any kind of building you see what I'm saying because it'll just lower your property value or maybe your neighborhood theoretically yes but when there's still more people trying to move in here I mean that's the argument that any any realtor tries to make in the Bay Area even though it makes no sense investing wise like I've told you guys before because it's like you can't rent it for what you're paying mortgage wise the argument back that a realtor would say over here is that well the net the thing is that there's so there's nowhere to develop anymore and so there's a and there's more people trying to move in than move out and so because of that the you'll always see these prices continue to rise so yeah I don't I don't know if doing that would technically would drop the value of the house has got to move a lot of the density into like Central Valley you know like move move the whole like tech companies to kind of like skirt over there a little bit well I mean it's a real problem it is a real problem the rent the housing is just absolutely insane didn't California I thought I just saw this on I don't know whose Instagram page you post about just posted and I got a fact-checked me Doug that this is the first time ever that California had more people leave than come in this this last year yeah we're definitely that's the first time that's ever happened right I mean I don't know if it's the first time but in a while is it true that we we lost the seat because of that or we might we may be losing the seat and then like Texas or whoever else is like gaining a seat yeah because we're losing so many people and and in this I'm sure this is not connected to our governor potentially getting recalled right we'll see but he's giving off free money he's giving off free money to everybody so we had a surplus of time in over a hundred years yeah I guess you're right you're like 600 bucks yeah but we had a surplus right of tax revenue yeah so now he's like hey we're gonna give away free money to people and we're gonna have tax breaks to small businesses and lift the mask mandate I'm gonna magically at this date because it's all gonna be totally different you gotta love it when politicians start to worry free pizzas for everybody thanks you ever want your politicians to do stuff that you I guess that makes people happy just you know threatened to get them out of office that's it man yeah they start to act in flex on them a bit and take care yeah speaking of flexing Adam you're looking pretty pretty jacked oh thank you that's that I thought I know your weight's not going up though right you're getting leaner no I'm going down yeah I'm going down right now isn't that weird yeah well I mean it's all I figured that out I think I shared this before on the podcast the first time because I was on a permanent bulk for like the first you know 15 years of my weightlifting career and the first time that I transitioned to like leaning out oh this is the first time where my body fat percentage is you know in the higher teens I'm gonna go down and I'll never forget hearing more compliments about me looking bigger when I was going down it's so funny because you know you're in my insecurity was being the skinny right telling me that I was skinny or let that's be like the worst thing you could say I used to hate that too when people would instead of saying lean yeah you look like you had skin you're like yeah they're like trying to be complimentary about it right yeah or you lost weight you lost a bunch of ways like no that's not what I was trying to do yeah so but I do remember that and going like that is so weird I'm getting all these like big compliments compliments and this is the smallest I had been in so many years because when you're lean you look bigger same thing for me is unless I have a sweater on or something like that but if I'm in a t-shirt or whatever and I go see family member they'll be oh man you look like you got a lot bigger and like actually a lot contrast I lost seven pounds of body fat now for me the the motivation is not looks at all so I'm not I'm actually trying to lean out because I'm battling like you already have that covered yes so I have to work on this might go too far yeah yeah no not at all why is because I still got the golfer's elbow that I'm battling you should stop golfing yeah maybe yeah that might not be it actually what I noticed is and this has been just for me when I carry myself over 220 and I'm eating in a surplus training heavy and so I thought I just tend to battle a lot of aches and pains I've just joint inflammation and just feeling that all the time and I feel it in my elbow and I feel it in my hips more often than I should and you know I've been doing mobility work to try and adjust it but it still it feels like it's back and forth thing it's like oh it makes me feel temporarily good are you under 220 now I'm down to about 220 right now so I was coming from 225 I mean I was always 230 something when we did the when we weighed in I weighed just the other night just two nights ago was the last time I got on the scale and I was 221 in the evening which makes me think I'm probably 219 or maybe as low as 218 that's what I would guess right yeah in the morning so I actually got away I'll see I mean I'm like again I'm not hung up on the weight or any that stuff I'm or how I look it's I'm waiting for me to feel better now because you know earlier episodes you were talking about how maybe too much red meat especially not grass-fed red meat yeah it was causing could cause psoriasis for you or make it flare up what are you doing with like your like what are you doing with your like a butcher box orders are you switching it to chicken or is it like what do you do with it so technically my order our boxes is always been a nice like we actually get more chicken than anything else chicken and bacon and those are some of the big things that I get consistently it was actually I was eating more red meat because when I was only eating meat red meat has got the most nutrients right the most nutrient dense food that I could get and just if you ate chicken and turkey all the time you'd be missing a lot so I was actually eating a ton of red meat when we when I first started the you know carnivore-esque diet and I would initially what I felt a little bit better which now I look back and go oh that was probably just the reduction of calories that I felt that way because my psoriasis actually wasn't getting better I was finding myself actually itching more and I thought that was really interesting I switched away from eating so much red meat switched over to turkey and to like fish and stuff like that and chicken right and I started to notice that I started to get better so now I have a way way more of a blend and the red meat consumption is reduced quite a bit and then the only red meat I'm having is my you know grass-fed butcher box yeah I'm down are you snacking like in between I just found okay so I've been doing this too for the last like two or three days but I have to like because the calories are lower and you know when you sit down and you have like you know two pounds three pounds of meat you know for a meal it's like oh it's a lot so I've been trying to spread it out more and have more like I'm up to like five maybe six meals a day now instead of like just spread the meat yes just spread that me just spread that meat well I've now introduced a lot more things back in right so I mean rice is consistently I actually just last night I had white potatoes for the first time since I've been back on this I introduced quinoa pasta the other day so I've been like doing that like intermittently I'll introduce a new food kind of see how I feel a little bit and then and good then go back to like more meat and then so far I haven't introduced anything else that is like really made my psoriasis flare up or bother me and I've been feeling really really good uh except for when I was eating all red meat I thought that was really interesting that that that happened so I had to cut back on it that's interesting yeah my my weight is down now I'm under now uh 210 so which for me now is getting leaner and Jessica's same component oh you look like you're getting bigger which is hilarious but speaking of diet you guys know that they did this big made analysis on vegans and they found some and this is like causing a bit of controversy there's a bit of an uproar over what they found you want to hear what they found yeah all right check this out so researchers reviewed 18 studies so this is like a big analysis of different studies which involved over 160 000 participants so in basically to summarize here's what they found vegetarians are twice as likely to take medication for mental illness they're nearly three times as likely to consider suicide they show significantly higher rates of depression anxiety or self-harm behaviors and generally vegetarians demonstrated poor psychological health while meat eaters exhibited better psychological health wow interesting right that is now the question is that this is awful well I mean that doesn't mean if you're a vegetarian or vegan that that's true for you it just means that the that they found in these in this made analysis that that people who ate this way were more likely now here's the question you guys remember the cannabis study I brought up in one of the last episodes where I said you know that they said cannabis causes this you're like which one is it the chicken or the egg you know is it you know is it that people who are you know more depressed likely to smoke cannabis or does cannabis cause the depression right same thing here so the question is is that they're eating this diet causing these things or is it that people the people that are going into the diet yeah tend to fall in this category so those are those are the two things and there's there's evidence potentially for both so one of them is because when you eat a diet that's especially vegan so vegan means no animal product whatsoever right that that the the rate of nutrient deficiencies is much higher right because you have to eat a good well-rounded combination of foods to make up for nutrients that you would get in just like a piece of of ground you know steak or ground beef and those nutrient deficiencies can definitely increase the risk of a lot of those things that we talked about depression anxiety all these things then the other on the other end researchers are saying but here's the other thing people who tend to be anxious or depressed or have these issues they tend to find ways of finding control in their lives so they're also more likely to have eating disorders or more likely to do so one way of finding control would be to be like here's my strict you know my structure very strict yeah regimented diet and so i'm just gonna follow this so very interesting right so there's a lot of kind of hub up going on around you know this whole thing yeah i'm sure that pissed off a lot of people that were i mean you look you can get as mad as you want it's just the studies to set that right what they revealed right i got something to share with you guys i don't know if you guys have seen this yet it dropped on prime i believe i think you know sal was the one that got me paying attention to that how prime does the it releases these like would have been in theater and oh yeah you can buy them they just dropped the documentary on sesame street yeah really cool really good yeah did you watch it i watched most of it yeah did you like it i thought it was really interesting very interesting so did i yeah that was sesame street and electric company and what's the other one mr rogers okay so who is your favorite character on what sesame street i love to i i loved us how about you yeah yeah no i liked us i liked um what was the the count oh yeah uh uh uh uh one one two uh uh it was really it was it was really revolutionary for its time like totally the idea of what they were trying to do and what i thought was really cool was and we're kind of in this right now with tech what do we talk about all time about being worried about our kids being glued to tech and scrolling on social media yeah because there was a lot of worry about tv yeah that numbers were coming showing that kids were spending a tremendous of time in front of tv and so the the the strategy was look we're not gonna get kids to not watch tv why not present them with good information better programming but using the same tactics that are used in commercials back then yeah so that was the idea was you know we and what i think what promoted it was they're saying that kids were like singing like you know budweiser and and and cigarette and cigarette jingles and that's what they were looks like and of course you had some parents i'm sure that were you know appalled by that yeah and then you see the bubblegum cigarettes yeah i remember big league chew and it's like dude what are we doing you know yeah but that's what motivated to do this and they and a lot of people thought they were crazy it would never take off kids wouldn't like it but they actually applied those same jingle and short snippets like as as content to you know hook kids in and it just it took off now here's what's interesting about this right so it was on pbs right public broadcasting is it service i think it was yeah public it was public tv so this was government funded yeah tv and tv programming so i get torn right because look here's a deal i typically opposed to that kind of stuff because we don't it doesn't it's not following a market i guess demand however it did succeed in the market fact sesame street became one of the most pbs had some of the best programming it became incredibly popular right so it was all educational too it was like wholesome like good morals and sesame street was the beginning of that yeah there was nothing before there was there was nothing like that on tv before it was all all you know what it was all content was all centered around advertising it was what shows would hook people in watching enough and then how could we insert as many commercials as we could i actually i think i remember seeing two that they developed like uh serials around these cartoons and so they were actually like yeah they would engineer that that whole thing was like you you know because action figures were big you know back then and so they would develop all these ideas based off of like how they're going to sell that i also did you not get a feeling of i mean i i've made me feel good about what we do right because when i think about the motivation behind what we were creating right we obviously we weren't going after kids but we looked at like same thing the fitness space and the the content that was being provided and use those same strategies to present good information right because you got to beat them at their own game if you don't win their the attention that you're going to present all the great information in the world but you're not going to do anything totally yeah speaking of amazon prime though i i mean this one's totally like more in your wheelhouse cell but there was a it's a movie i guess it's it's the format's kind of strange but it's you ever seen the movie men who stare at goats no i haven't seen that but i know so this is like this is like sort of the science behind all of that in terms of like all the government programs for parapsychology and for like noetic science and all this like crazy out there stuff that are like it's called superhuman like the the invisible turn visible or something but it basically is just describing a lot of like really out there concepts but like doing it in a really scientific way and showing showing how like each cell has its own vibrational noise and then they bring it into the lab and they show you all these things i want to watch this is on yeah and they show this this one lady that that just shows like everybody like like how you can affect the ph of water just by like really concentrating and and putting your intention over it and then they actually measured it and everything and so did they really yes okay so are you guys familiar with i might have talked about this a long time obviously you're transferring that energy into the water so there's this research that was done by this japanese scientist and i can't remember his name it's a it's a famous study and it's controversial study but what he would do is is people would have some kind of an intention over water so he had water that monks and priests would pray over he had water that would be present when people were arguing he'd have water that people are yelling at like all these all these are for things and then they would freeze the water and then they would look at the ice crystals that would form from this particular water and there were distinct differences in the water that was presented with negative information versus the water that was pretty present so you're gonna like this oh masaru emoto you can look them up just and you'll like yeah the next time you're over at tina's go in the refrigerator and open it and go look at the water in there okay she actually had and they i've got it i can't think of the name for the life of me right well this is like a lot of the stuff like she talks about like it's all the science behind all of that it's really fascinating and it talks about consciousness and and and then it kind of describes like how how basically like we how we affect each other how we get entangled with other consciousnesses and so you could actually like and this is how they they explain remote viewing and so that was a big that was a big part of the the research that they didn't want to basically publicly display how effective it is okay so during the cold war we invested a significant amount of money in this type of stuff remote viewing the soviets did too yeah and this now this is what they released right this is not so i don't know if this is how accurate this is but what they released was that the remote viewer so you know the remote viewer is this is somebody like let's say you and i are remote viewers were these para you know were these talk to the other side right no not talk to the side we would use our you know whatever powers uh our psychic abilities and we would tell the u.s government where missile uh the exact location where yeah missiles what they were hiding military bases and they invested actually spent quite a bit of money on this and from what they released it was a hundred percent accurate not a hundred percent really yes here's what i read that there was it was better than than the statistically again they downplayed it but like it maybe they're wrong in this in this movie but they said it was like a hundred percent accurate and they pulled the program well it was what they released it was definitely better than random right so i think it was carter or somebody that basically pulled the whole program of like trying to to move and hide these missiles because they knew that like so the soviets were also doing the same thing and like some other countries and so they're like well they're just going to find them anyways i watched one where this this i think was a woman where she was doing it and she would just draw right so she'd do this the thing and then she would draw and and she's like i don't know where this is and so then the side that the researchers would have to kind of figure it out and be like that looks like you know a place in iowa and then they would go there and sure enough for fucking picture yeah matched the place that they found yeah like how weird is that right it's hella very strange bizarre but again it's like i i appreciated it just because it was like more of the actual like they tested all these theories hey before we transition to the to the questions uh there's some shoutouts that we want to oh yeah douglas what's up with our firefighters what's up yeah we got some firefighters in owasso oklahoma who and paramedics we also have the bladensburg fire department in princh george's county maryland all right thank you out in oklahoma thank you very much for all that you do yes thank you guys and girls yeah you guys save lives and put your lives at risk and thank you very very much love you guys hey stop go to mind pump free dot com check out all of our free guides they cost nothing and they teach you all the secrets about fitness mind pump free dot com all right enjoy the rest of podcast our first question is from a u bond i have worked on my rear delts two times a week for three years but they just won't grow any tips oh man okay more than almost any other body part so first off the rear delts obviously is a part of the shoulder that's in the back it's very responsible for giving you round looking shoulders a lot of people don't know this they work the side delts a lot thinking it's gonna give them this kind of round what they call caps but the reality is in i was lucky to figure this out when i was young um and i know adam talks about this all the time when he was competing you develop the rear delt and it gives you this that's what gives you the shoulder this kind of round look now here's the thing with the with the rear delts almost always when people have issues developing it obviously if they're training it frequently and the volume is good the problem is connection they go they go and do a rear delt exercise and it becomes a rhomboid or trap exercise very very people have a tough time just in a pinching their shoulder blades together and going too far yeah i love this this was like and this took me a while to piece together um and i 100% agree i think if you put i i even went on a kick for a while where i started all shoulder workouts with rear delt work and i and i highly recommend that to whoever's you know if you're listening and this is your question this is start with your rear delt exercises and and pay extra attention to the technique because it's a small it's a small part of the of a muscle so it's you're trying to target an area that it's very easy like sal said for a bigger back muscle to take care of take over the movement and it looks when you just look at somebody doing a rear delt fly it's really hard unless you really understand biomechanics to see the difference between a good one and a bad one someone doing a good rear delt fly it there's just very slight angle exactly there's a slight different and i and i'd have some good videos on our youtube channel because this is something that i addressed a couple years ago uh showing some of my favorite great video some of my favorite exercises for rear delts one of my favorite uh for that is um a i don't even know what i would call it like a rear delt fly a bent over rear delt fly on like a free motion or a cable machine and i like this because the cable actually pulls you through which kind of puts you in that forward shoulder position which is this is advantageous for trying to work the rear delts the mistake that people make is they retract and then that once you retract the shoulder blade then the back comes in to help out so you actually want to stay in this kind of forward position and i like being bent over with cable because it's pulling you in that position and then when you fly back i don't say fly back i say fly out and you're so you're pulling out in a way which kind of gives the cue of keeping it in the rear delt and not allowing the back to kick in because if you come back with it the back takes over the movement yeah now the other part of that that's important is to keep the elbow up and high what'll end up happening is especially when you go in too heavy is you get this kind of external rotation with the elbows and it starts to become this weird-looking kind of row or fly elbow out so you're kind of pulling way out and it's a smaller range of motion than you think it's not this huge wide range of motion now if you're looking for function and you want to strength the you know some of the muscles of the back then yeah you want to do this real wide kind of full range of motion but if you're looking to develop this particular muscle it's not responding well go light and then focus on really feeling that muscle and especially what adam said in terms of technique and then it'll start to develop and it'll develop just like the rest of your shoulder it's just a lot of people when they do these exercises it's all back exercises so they do the flies but they don't I think yeah the setup is crucial I think and to your point of like having that cable like kind of putting you into that position helps a ton I've figured that out because I used to take it you know the opposite way I put myself in like optimal posture right and so I'm like retracting my shoulders I'm getting myself upright and in this instance you know in order to really target it it's not going to be advantageous next question is from DM Caruso 93 how would you guys recommend incorporating neck training into a routine neck training you guys ever work out like I mean you play football so I'm assuming you guys did a lot of neck training so we we did but also that wasn't a big emphasis and we we would start out as like sort of warm-up drills and we'd have a partner sort of kind of applying pressure to one side and we do isometrics with it but honestly for the neck training stuff's a little sketchy to me in terms of like what I feel comfortable with training a client with even if they're an athlete and in just the constant load and what I had to account for having a helmet on for the entire practice did a ton for me in terms of like building my neck strength and also like just just deadlifting you know by itself so you know I tend to steer people away from this whole like isolating neck specific type exercising yeah no you have to have like any exercise good technique good form and you have to be very careful because one of the weakest body parts that we have and one of the body parts that has some of the worst dysfunction is the neck forward head is a big deal and so if you have forward head and then you train your neck and do neck exercises with this dysfunction you're asking for a lot more problems yeah you're asking for neck pain and problem so the way that I would train the neck initially if you've never worked your neck out is by working on getting better posture I would do like chin tugs yeah like the wall test right like in in maps prime where you're perfect up against the wall and you create those points of contact you push that that that nodule at the bottom of your of your skull into the wall and you do what's called like traction where you're trying to elevate your net you're trying to elongate your neck and press back at the same time strengthen your neck with these exercises first get good function then you can move more to these like traditional strength training exercise where your neck where by the way don't use any weight at all unless you already have a strong functional neck but it's as easy as like literally you know leaning forward and you know you know bringing your head back or leaning on your back and bringing your chin forward or going side to side now here's the cool thing once you have good function everything's moving right the neck develops very quickly so if you have like a pencil neck or whatever and you need a bigger stronger neck that for some reason that muscle in my experience just develops very very quickly so I love to progress the wall I would start somebody first of all never did with weights for people I think it's a bad idea for most people and it's just the risk versus reward in it and like Justin said if you're playing a sport you just carrying the helmet around and doing that's going to be enough to Sal's point if you get really strong and you already have excessive forehead you're only going to strengthen that right and make that worse so I would start with the wall test which is just the basic chin tucks where you're getting that down and then to progress that I would actually do it off the floor so head lifts off the floor so you lay face down and so obviously gravity is working against you and you're just lifting yeah you're not looking up yeah you're not looking up you're just lifting the head up into neutral spine and then holding and hold for five seconds relax lift the head up hold hold for about five seconds and I tell you what it's that's work it's just the weight of the head and then trying to lift your head but up into neutral spine and that isometric hold you're going to develop some strength in the neck and then there's a lot less risk there are some interesting products now that look like they're a little safer options in terms of adding resistance where I don't know if it's called the halo yeah I saw that with the Joe Rogan did a commercial yeah I've seen to Franco do some stuff with it that that did make sense but again the prerequisites is you know making sure you have that proper function you can put you can stack your your spine and get alignment and you understand how to put yourself in a good position first before we start adding stress 100% I said you know 99% of the people watching this are listening to this right now like work on neck function that's all the workout that you need it will strengthen your neck it'll but it'll also strengthen and develop good function then from there which will take you a while so it's not like you do it for a week you're like now I can go you know load my neck do it for a while till your neck feels really strong you've got the movement down you've got great function then you can start working on some light loading I mean back in the day when I was doing a lot of grappling I remember we would have these wrestlers that would come in to train with us and they taught me I had a neck bridge and then I would do I'd roll all the way back to my nose and I'd walk wrestlers went crazy oh I did all kinds of stuff on my neck now here's the thing I don't understand neck function so I just did all this shit well now I have terrible neck mobility rotational mobility and I 100% blame me doing all that crazy stuff without having the prerequisites before oh yeah I remember doing like just getting in the clinching when I was in Muay Thai for a bit and just getting pulled all over the place oh man it'd be sore for weeks oh and a sore neck is the worst thing it's way worse than sore legs you have a sore neck your day sucks next question is from Marissa White 750 can you please explain insulin resistance you know this is a big issue in modern societies this this contributes to obesity inflammation heart disease cognitive decline alzheimer's dementia it's a big issue and in a nutshell without getting too complicated what it essentially means is the insulin that your body is producing isn't working as well in your body it's like you need more insulin to do the same job that less insulin used to do so it ends up happening with your body is it produces more and more insulin and your body becomes more and more resistant and then of course downstream what is that that's diabetes right yeah would you consider that like pre-diabetic like symptoms yes and in fact you know now researchers are saying because they'll measure your fasting glucose and say oh it looks like you might be developing some insulin resistance where now researchers saying it starts way earlier than they thought where it can't even start as a kid and then it takes you know years to really turn into full-blown insulin resistance so i guess the the second part of this the important part of this is how do we avoid insulin resistance or how do we make our body become more sensitive to insulin this is what the the low-carb zealots attach a lot of their their research or the stuff they talk about to the research around this and and and you know then you have people like our friend lane who will who challenge it strongly and i and i agree with lane when he challenges the only thing i don't like is i think it's a bad message to present to people because this is where eating so much carbohydrates and i think as a whole their society does that so much that it can lead to this path and so i know he tries to debunk a lot of the material that the low-carb zealots use about insulin resistance but at the same time too i think their intentions to try and get people to eat less sugar and to reduce their carbohydrate intake is an overall good message it is but it's really okay so you can develop insulin resistance on a low-carb diet there's there's connections between insulin although it's a lot less likely it is but my point is they've shown insulin resistance developing with a high fat diet now here's the thing that they all have in common high calories right you eat a lot of carbs a lot of sugar and your calories are always high and then of course you combine that with inactivity now the risk goes up here's the biggest risk the biggest risk is lack of muscle in fact building muscle regardless of body weight so you can even be obese building muscle is one of the best most effective things you can do it's your best protection improving insulin resistance so if you if you if it runs in your family diabetes runs in your family if insulin resistance is a concern of yours build muscle your muscle is like with the most effective bulwarks against you know insulin resistance a very insulin sensitive tissue it stores some sugars and carbohydrates um when you work out you know it's it it it low it increases your insulin sensitivity isn't this isn't this directly connected to the amount of time that the body takes to take a carbohydrate and convert it into sugar right part of it and and then when you come insulin resistance it accelerates that dramatically is that with the opposite I mean it's it's all kind of connected it's it's probably a little more complex than that but it's it's literally we're always looking for a simpler way to explain it to the audience so yeah I would say you know really it's just your your I mean just to put it in a nutshell it's just it's insulin stops doing his job right so you eat carbohydrates or sugar insulin goes up to drive that into areas of storage whether it be body fat or muscle or the liver and so if you have more muscle you have more place to store it that's part of it right and then of course muscle itself increases on its own increases insulin sensitivity it's by far the best thing you could do in fact when they put men on and I know this from talking to you know certain doctors when they put men on testosterone replacement therapy because when a man has low testosterone he loses muscle and when they raise his testosterone he tends to add muscle regardless if he's working out or not right because it's a hormone driver by doing so when the muscle comes on their body they notice better numbers insulin resistance goes down and sensitivity goes up so then I mean obviously what you have a client you're training them you they go to the doctor doctor comes back tells them that they are insulin resistant you as a trainer obviously you're already on a program to build the muscle because that's part of your job what are you coaching them on diet what are you saying to them different about their diet reducing carbohydrates now I mean and calories reducing carbohydrates and calories but you know here's the thing with reducing carbohydrates when you already have insulin resistance it's almost like you're solving the problem but not the root necessarily it's like now we're at this place so now reducing carbohydrates makes a big difference but really what would have fixed it is if we just made your body more sense this is why like people with like Alzheimer's and dementia you put them on a ketogenic diet and their cognition improves it's not necessarily because the carbs in their diet were making having the problems it's because their body doesn't utilize the carbs very well anymore and it needs ketones now to operate you know much better so again the best thing you can do is build muscle next question is from foveo the castle does pain tolerance improve along with strength training I think your your ability to disseminate good and bad pain right it totally improves when I think that's really what it is you understand better like what these signals are like so if there's a burn you know you don't you don't freak out like if there's you know a soreness and achiness like you can identify that this was a result of you know something you did with the workout versus like you know a really sharp like lightning type of response of pain that was uh you know something you should really pay attention to I guess I would ask what kind of pain tolerance are we talking about I mean is it muscle soreness pain or acute pain like what kind of pain are you I would say the pain that comes from exercise your tolerance goes up like think about when you would get a new client like pain from a breakup yeah I mean does it really or does your body just adapt and so the same things the same things that offended it before well no because you work yourself out harder like I would bet you that you do sets you do sets as you became more advanced that were way more painful than when you were a beginner sure yeah okay so you know when you train a new client ever happen to you where you train a new client and they're doing an exercise and they never lifted weights or worked out before yeah and they burn a little bit and they're like it's like oh my god what is this I can't even tolerate I think clients drop weights before so have I it was burning my biceps yeah exactly I had this experience with my with my daughter so my daughter she's only 11 so occasionally I'll do a workout with her and I remember we did some leg exercises for the first time and it's really hard to gauge if I'm going too hard or not hard enough and so you know the first workout I might get her sore right and remember the next day she wakes up and she's calling me from her room for school so I walk in there I'm like what's the matter honey she's like I hurt my leg I'm like oh shit what happened where does it hurt and she's like pointing to her quads she's like I'm injured and so I'm like moving around I'm like no honey you're sore like you don't know what it feels like yeah to have this kind of soreness so I think it's really it's it's about how you perceive it what it feels like because I could now because I've been working out for so long I can tolerate you know burn I can tolerate the pain from working out I know the difference between the good kind of pain when I work out the bad kind of pain but if you don't train it's it's all just pain yeah you know it's really hard for you to kind of you know I also would caution somebody though here too because you know you don't have to go through so much pain either to to train and get the body to adapt right yeah I that was a mistake that you know I had that no pain no gain mentality as a young and the more pain the better yeah and then I was seeking that that soreness or all it's and we talk about how great it is to feel that way and so you are chasing that for a long period we're on the opposite now I'll start training and I feel like oh yeah that's I'm there you know like that's if I do another set I'm gonna be more sore than I ever need I can tell in a workout so I'm not like pushing through pain and like oh I have five more sets like you actually don't need to train this way I think you're thinking about net tomorrow yeah like what's gonna happen to mark can I replicate what I'm doing today tomorrow and I try and keep that in mind now all the time when I'm working on it's so much more effective and my body will adapt and change and get all those desired results you know much quicker that way and I'm not just like putting myself you know under the gun and the knife to heal from what I used to yeah as a trainer I changed my vernacular when I would talk to clients I stopped using the word pain I would use discomfort I'd say you know we want you definitely going to feel discomfort yeah exercising and stretching and doing things because that discomfort is gets what gets your body to adapt that's right but I wouldn't use pain because again if you don't know like you know we work out all you know for for years we know like the right amount of pain you say pain to the average person especially the message no pain no gain right and you get the super motivated like I just want to lose weight tomorrow person they're gonna go hard for the pain way too much and you only need to be in that discomfort for a short minute you don't need to keep pushing beyond that like that so you know you're changing the vernacular or whatever I mean when you get to that point where you feel it from that workout like you're probably pretty close to done doing five six more sets or another exercise I mean that's the overreaching part that I think I made that mistake for many years yeah is it is it more discomfort than you're used to right if you sit on your couch all day long 10 sets of body weight squats like we're probably going to get your muscles to change a little bit if you work out all the time five days a week and you lift weights well there's a whole different level of discomfort that you probably have to have to achieve in order to get your body to change look if you like this information head over to mind pump free dot com we have so many free guides that can help you there fat loss guides muscle building guides guides for personal trainers a ton go to mind pump free dot com you can also find all of us on instagram so you can find justin at mind pump justin me at mind pump salad adam at mind pump adam I actually stopped even getting them to use the hotel gyms because they were so different right like what they offered and so I stopped even worrying about trying to figure that out totally and just said what I'm going to do is write you a body weight type of routine for you in your room and then it's easier too for them not to make an excuse not to go down to another floor right