 Hello friends, welcome back to Mind Pump. In this episode, we talk about fitness influencers who are saying that you cannot boost your metabolism. Is that true? Well, you're going to find out in this episode. You're also going to learn a little bit later in the episode that a little bit of narcissism actually is healthy. Say what? That's true. In the second half of this episode, we coached four live callers on questions such as, hey, I think I'm doing all the right things, but my strength has plateaued. What can I do about it? And what should I do if I keep hurting the same body part over and over again? No, God! No, God, please no! No! Hey, your body's talking to you. We're going to teach you how to listen to it. Finally, if you enjoy the specific coaching that the guys do with callers on this show and only want to watch that content, go over to our other channel, Mind Pump Clips, and subscribe. All right, here comes the show. Look, here's the deal. You can speed up your metabolism contrary to some fitness influencers on social media. It's true. You could definitely make your metabolism much faster. Is that, people are saying you can't do that? You know, here's what I like. What I love and what I don't like, I don't want to say love, what I like and what I don't like about our space is the same thing. And here's what it is. Well, because it creates opportunity for us. Totally. Most fitness influencers, most, yeah, they're idiots, like total idiots. They communicate terribly, bad information, and they play this game of counter to try to gain attention. And what's happening right now because what's really gone or what's become common knowledge in our, I guess in our space, right? The coaching fitness space is that you can do what's called a reverse diet. You can train a particular way, speed up your metabolism, and then make fat loss or sustainable fat loss much easier. Well, now I'm seeing these people on social media, these, you know, quote unquote fitness influencers, and they're saying things like, you know, yes, Mrs. Johnson didn't lose weight on 1200 calories, and then we had her eat more, and then she went back down to 1200 calories and she lost weight. What really happened was she wasn't at 1200 calories to begin with. And then you see comments underneath or whatever. And this, it's annoying because it's not true. Number one. Now, can that possibly be true? Yes. But what's annoying is what they're doing is what they're, they're inferring is that you can't affect your metabolism in the positive. Now we have very hard data to show that metabolic adaptation happens. In other words, your body can learn to burn less calories. If you're in a low calorie environment, if your activity looks a particular way. But for some reason, when the conversation goes around moving in the other direction, the people will say, no, you can't do that. You can't make your metabolism faster, which is. So their answer is just basically that they've miscalculated. Yeah. That's, that's what they're amounting the increase to be towards. That's one in like a thousand people. Yeah. I mean, I mean that happens. Sure. There's anomalies. There's clients who. Oh, just, just don't know. Yeah. There's clients who came to me who's, oh, I eat this much. And then when I actually tracked and we figured it all out, it's like, no, you don't. And now you're eating correctly. And that's why we're losing weight. But that's actually really rare. Really, really rare. I mean, I remember when I used to get a client who would tell me like, oh, you know, like openly like out of my, you know, I eat candy this many times a day. I go to McDonald's this week. And they're like, I looked at their calories and I'm like, oh my God, this person's eating 5000 calories every day. And they're, I used to love that because, oh, this can be easy. Yeah. They're gonna drop. What was more common was someone who's just like, I ought to make this and this, you know, all day. This is all I eat. And I'm struggling with weight. And what you know is that a majority of the time they are eating like that, then they have the one day where they go off the rails, which puts them over the surplus so bad, which. And then they. But they're just not burning much. Yeah, they're not. Their metabolism is extremely slow. And that person is the person that we had to reverse out and it took months, sometimes even longer for some people to build that metabolism. But to say that you can't do that is ridiculous. It's silly. It's completely unhelpful. It's totally unhelpful. And to the person who's listening to that, who is struggling, you give them no hope. Well, it also feeds into the, one of the biggest issues I have is the, this, the, you know, just cut calories and move more mentality because I think that's a losing battle for most people. Just that's, I think that's the trap most people fall into when they decide to get on their fitness kick as they go, Oh, I just need to eat way less, move way more. And they just, and they don't balance out their macros. They don't try and build strength or build muscle that he literally just try and burn. That's like telling somebody who's struggling with their finances and you go to them and go, Oh, you just got to make more and save more. Oh, you're brilliant. Oh my God. You just solved all my problems like it's, it's yes, you got to burn more and you got to eat less. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But here's the deal with the metabolism part for I'll point to the same stuff to one study that I love pointing to, because it was well made and it really highlights the, the ability of our metabolic rate to adapt. And then we will talk about why we have this incredible ability. There's a study I've quoted this many times. They did it on modern hunter gather gatherers. These were, this is the Hodza tribe of Northern Tanzania and they live the way humans lived thousands of years ago. So they don't have electronics. They hunt and they gather. So when they hunt, you know, they'll, they'll wound an animal, chase it down, wait till it gets exhausted, carry it back after they, you know, finish the kill. They are far more active than the average person or the average Western couch potato. Okay. And scientists went down and they did with really good sophisticated testing. Okay. So this was an estimates, estimates. This was actually pretty good testing. They tested their metabolic rate and they were at first kind of like blown away because these hunter gatherers really didn't burn much more. It was very similar to the average Western couch potato. And so everybody's like, Oh my God, strange. You'd think like your average person would think they're burning so many calories because they're so active. That's right. You do reference this study all the time. I don't know if I've ever asked you, what was the original hypothesis of that? Do you know what, did they go? Going in, right? Yeah. Going in was the hypothesis like, oh, these, we're so inactive in Americans. Let's go study this tribe that moves all the time. They're going to be burning all these calories. They didn't. Yes. They, so there's two things. One is leading up to that there were lots of studies to show that, simply trying to burn more calories is a terrible, and that manually, I should say, trying to move more, it does improve your health. So that's, I want to say that first. So for anybody who's about to get all up and arms, just moving more, as long as it's appropriate, doesn't prove your health. However, it's a terrible weight loss strategy. We've known this for a long time. There's got lots and lots of studies on this that if you don't change your diet and you just go and try and move more, it's a very, it's a, it's a failing approach to weight loss. So we knew that. We also knew that it's probably likely that our bodies learn to burn less calories because as Hunter gathers, calories are actually quite hard to come by. And we take this for granted in modern societies because calories, we've done such a good job. This is just a pat on the back to modern humanity. We've, we've solved some of the biggest problems that have plagued humanity for, for thousands and thousands of years. One of the biggest ones was energy was hard to come by. Like you go live in the wilderness and you don't have modern agriculture. So the agriculture revolution doesn't exist. You don't have grocery stores and all that kind of stuff. Go try to find a thousand calories, one thousand calories. Go try to find it. First off, it ain't going to happen with plants. You ain't going to find fields of corn and wheat and, you know, fruits and vegetables. If you find fruit, you're lucky if you find a few berries. If you find an apple, oh my God, praise God, because you got, you got some food for today, but it ain't going to happen for the, you know, the rest of the month or whatever. And you'd have to kill an animal, which is calorie intensive, challenging and dangerous. Okay. So we knew leading into that, that, you know, our bodies probably adapted pretty well because calories are hard to come by. You know, that show, um, what's that show alone? Yeah. Oh, I was going to say, Naked and Afraid. Yeah. That one too. But, you know, and alone, they actually send wilderness and survival experts out in that they don't take average people. They know they get the rest of the day. Oh yeah. That wouldn't last very long. And they actually send them out with like a couple choices of things that they could take. Oh yeah. They get like, they get like 10 things. They have like a bow or a knife and they've got like stuff to cook with. Yeah. And the goal is to stay out there for like three months, four months, five months, not live your whole life out there. Yeah. And they find it to be very challenging. Most of the people actually have to leave early because they injure themselves because they don't get enough food. So it's really hard. So, so these modern hunter-gatherers, they studied them and said, oh my God, they don't burn. They burn like similar calories to like, you know, John, who sits on his couch half the time and works at a desk, but it makes perfect sense because if we didn't, if our bodies didn't have that ability, we wouldn't have survived. There's no way calories are hard to come by. So our metabolism can adapt. Now, here's where, here's the rub. Here's where you get the science people or the, should I say the people who love to use science and make themselves seem smart. And the fitness influencers are really big idiots. I'm talking to most of you out there. You, you're mostly stupid. You give out terrible information and then you'll use something that science says, make yourself sound smart when, you know, those of us in the fitness space really know this stuff. No, you're an idiot. What they'll do is they'll get, they'll go, oh, you know what? A pound of muscle doesn't burn as many calories as they tell you. It burns like an extra 10 calories because they have some study that show. First off, the metabolism is way more complex than that. It's not as easy as saying one pound of muscle equals this many more calories. The truth is with the same lean body mass that you have now. So you take me, change nothing. I have a range of calories. My body can burn. Okay. I can, my body can decide either to become more or less efficient with calories. And it does this on a day to day basis. What controls us? What influences us? Sleep, stress, you know, how I'm feeding myself, the types of food I'm feeding myself, my hormone profile can definitely influence this. You could take a man or a woman artificially change the hormone profile and manipulate their metabolism to start to look different or whatever. So, and then building muscle on top of that tends to push it. I should I say, let me correct myself. The process of building muscle, sending the signal to build muscle and feeding your body appropriately pushes the scale to what's called less efficient calorie management. It's the type of environment that you're presenting on a daily basis. Completely. So then your body is like, I don't need to store as many calories. Look, if you don't believe me, change nothing, lose sleep for a week, you know, get shitty sleep for a week, watch what happens. Your body all of a sudden will start storing. Anybody who's trained, anybody who's trained enough people in their life, you know, in applied reverse dieting to somebody and has seen this firsthand. So it's always somebody who is some online fitness influencer or trying to be a contrarian. And like you said, gain attention or some other means to to basically look like they know what they're talking about. I mean, there's there's a part of me that you know, I understand I was this trainer. I didn't understand. I thought my clients were lying to me for the first five years. I really did. I know. I thought I was like, I remember having clients sit across from me that were really, really overweight and then they would break down what they eat every day. And I'm like, there's no fucking way you're lying to me. There's no way you're eating that little and you're that overweight. This can't be impossible. But to your point, the body is an amazing piece of machinery. It will adapt to whatever it needs to survive. And if you for a long period of time, give it very, very low calorie, it will slow. It'll become more efficient with those limited amount of calories that you give it. And so yeah, if you've trained people for long enough. And by the way, that's in combination with zero stimulus that tells your body you need strength and muscle. Right. That's two things because you can try to reverse diet, but don't try to also simultaneously build muscle. In which case, you'll just gain body fat, right? You'll get a little bit of a metabolism boost because when you boost calories or drop calories, your metabolism does still adjust a little bit. But it's not significant. So if you start to slowly reverse your calories, but you don't simultaneously train appropriately to build muscle and you don't simultaneously feed yourself appropriately. In other words, you know, high protein, adequate nutrients. Then yeah, you're not going to see that metabolism boosting effects. But look, I've seen it first hand. I boost, I will boost people's metabolism on average by 500 calories, but sometimes much more. I've seen people's go up a thousand 1200 calories in a day. I've seen women go from hiring me eating a thousand calories a day doing crazy amounts of exercise. This argument only came after the study that showed the difference between when you when you isolated muscle and fat and what it requires to maintain. That is when this came out when it's like, oh, 10 calories. So people are like, oh, it's insignificant. But to your point, what it takes to build that muscle and also maintain that muscle, you're not factoring that in. Because if you build, let's say you build 10 pounds of muscle and you stop lifting weights, you'll it'll atrophy, it'll go away. You'll lose that. So you're not you're you're also going to factor in, OK, for me to maintain 10 pounds of muscle, I also have to create or send that signal, which is also utilizing and burning more calories than it just being in my body. So there's more, there's more to it. There's more to it than just that. So and then and then you if you know enough about what we do is you have to accept that we're still learning to. I mean, the metabolism is under the metabolism, the gut, the brain, the universe are like some of the most complex fucking things. Yeah. And to think that you're to be so arrogant to be like, oh, we got to figure it out because one study comes out and shows you that, oh, isolated muscle burns, only 10 more. This is the part. This is the part that annoys me the most is that what we do is we completely invalidate thousands and thousands of people's experiences because we say, no, that's not that's not the case. It's like when a medication comes out and all these people say, hey, this this is a side effect that's happening. And then the medical community says, no, no, no, no, our studies don't show that you're it's all in your head. Yeah. And then 10 years later, he got syndromes of myth. Yeah. You know, like, yeah, it's half of those things. And it's going to again, like this is where the scientific community, they'll have something to kind of explain their way out of that. But it's like everybody that has experienced it knows first hand, it's a real thing. So it's like, what are we? Why are we contesting that? Look, look, this is how complex it is. Okay. You can take they've done this with animals. They'll take a rat they'll take two right or two rats or two mice. One that has a quote unquote faster metabolism, one that has a quote unquote slower metabolism. They feed them the same same activity one's fatter than the other one. Okay. And they'll do a fecal transplant from the thin mouse to the the more overweight mouse, meaning they take the gut microbiome and temporarily place it into the other of one mouse and put it into the other mouse. And what happens? The obese mouse loses weight from a fecal transplant from the microbiome. Now is that the answer to everything? No, but I think that highlights. Yeah, what we don't know. Yeah, it's like so much more complex. So this is all look you talk to coaches and trainers have been doing this for 10 years plus. And they're going to look at you in your face when you tell them no, you can't speed up them tabs and words inconsequential. It's insignificant. They're going to look at you like, what are you talking about? And then this is also annoys me. They'll say there's no data to support what you're saying. Okay, yeah, you're right. There still isn't as studies that really pinpoint what the hell's going on. Doesn't mean it ain't happening. I remember you brought a bleaky gut syndrome. I remember so I was lucky enough to when I was like a just a pure meat head trainer what I mean by that is I knew, you know, macros, calories, lifting weights exercise, I didn't understand wellness, I didn't understand all this other stuff. But I was at least open-minded enough to know that there was market value for those types of things. So I had a studio where I would have these practitioners that did stuff that I saw value within the market. I didn't necessarily understand it myself, but I said, hey, clients could see value in this. And I had people that practiced all these different methodologies. And I had a person in there that would do gut testing. She would do gut testing on people. Now consider this was, this was, let me think 15 years ago, maybe more. So 15 years ago, if you said food intolerances or you said leaky gut syndrome, the medical community would laugh in your face 100%. I actually know this because I had Dr. clients who when they would hear this person say leaky gut syndrome would look at me and roll their eyes and say, this is so stupid. Yeah, this is, you know, hocus pocus crap, pseudo science, pseudo science. Well, I mean, lo and behold, years later, the scientific community says, oh, intestinal hyperpermeability, it's a real thing. They named it something rebread. Totally. So it's super annoying. And again, it invalidates people's experiences. So if you see a fitness influencer that says, no, you can't eat more calories and speed up your metabolism or whatever, just understand this, understand they're just trying to get attention. And they're probably idiots. If you listen to this show, do you think you're still following influencers? I hope not. Yeah, right. Hopefully you're not. Well, maybe if you're just tuning in, I guess for the first time, right? What's up, everybody? Here's the giveaway for today's episode maps power lift. Here's how you can win. Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we drop this episode. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. Do all those things. If we like your comment, we'll notify you in the comment section that you want free access to maps power lift. Also, we got a sale going on all month long maps symmetry 50% off maps strong 50% off both half off only for the month of October. If you're interested, click on the link at the top of the description below to get started. All right, here comes the show. I have something for you guys that I want to bring up that I thought was interesting. Doug, pull this up. I don't know if you saw this. Did you guys see the Joe Rogan AI interviews Steve Jobs? I did. And I hear a lot of people talk about it. Oh, pull it up, Doug. So the following conversation is between Steve Jobs and Joe Rogan. But the whole thing is generated with AI alone. Joe Rogan AI. OK, so he interviewed an AI like a generator. He is AI. So both Joe and Oh, both. Yeah, I said. So it's an art. OK, it's an it's an artificially and intelligent conversation that was that was they used algorithms on what Joe would probably ask. Wait a minute, wait a minute. And they didn't even they didn't even write the script. Collected like all his podcasts and yes, just all all Steve Jobs, I'm sure the way the algorithms predicted like what would be asked, what would be said and everything like that. Yes. I haven't had a chance to sit down like listen to the whole trip. Just OK, think about that for a second. That's kind of wild that we could get to a place like that. Where like it would that make like Joe replaceable? Like if it's pretty damn close and inaccurate, like and who's the stuff goes to like who's it? Bruce Willis or who's been the first actor to basically sell his life. Yes, so I heard that was I heard we talked about it, but then I heard I actually debunked. Yeah, I heard. I heard he came out. So that was I mean, you're going to have exactly this. It's maybe his premature, but like this is this is right where he's a conversation we speculated about this a while back. Yeah, I don't remember how long ago. I think I think yes, he'll be replaceable, but not because there's going to be something that looks and acts like him. That's perfect. I think I will get to the point. I don't know when to where it's so good people will prefer to listen to that than to a person because it'll hack into how to communicate what to say, what people like, what they don't like, the right answers, not making, you know, mistakes or gaffes or annoying or irritating people or how to polarize people. Like it'll figure that out to the point where you'll want to watch the AI interviewer or you'll want to watch the AI politician or the AI, you know, character over a real person just because it. Look, let me put it this way. It's it's years ago, decades ago, computers started defeating chess grandmasters. I know to the point where up until a certain point, you know, the computers couldn't beat chess grandmasters. And then they got to the point where they beat them. And now it's to the point where chess grandmasters don't even try. Like there's no way you'll be an AI chess machine. There's no way. It's just they're so good that they're not even they don't even talk about competition. At some point, it's going to get like that with other things. Yeah, at some point. I mean, like how long though? Like I feel like that's probably a ways off. Well, and then does do you have your do you have the rights to your likeness? Like what's what's to stop somebody else for like what's to stop something? We have enough content out there between books and white papers and blogs and conversations that you could take. What is to stop someone from making their own version? You know, just three other assholes to having this conversation and they interview people, right? But they use they use the algorithm that's based off of how we communicate to build a mere show that doesn't take work and time that can be done by AI. So like you could potentially scale at a faster rate for way less money because you got right, they would win. Yeah. I mean, that's like so and how do you how do I how do we protect ourselves from from that? Like what are the like? You don't do we have rights around that? Like we don't we have well, they wouldn't be able to be us because I think we would be able to to sue for that. But they would be better than us. What's the lawsuit though? Well, copyright infringer. Huh? Likeness. I'm sure there's going to be ways that you can legally sort of wrap. I mean, like what's what's to stop even like like being smart about it and not naming it anything like us or using our name. That's the thing I'm going to say. But literally ripping our brains, how we think putting it into an algorithm and building it. I mean, it could be three chicks doesn't matter, right? But the way we talk, the way we think, the way we communicate would be the way around it. Yeah, I'd want to be the hot one. That's not like that happens. Look at Justin, huh? Justin's for sure going to be the one with the ass and a little bit of weight. I'm the soul tree one. Yeah, I'd be the soul tree for sure will be. Adam would be like the super fake. I'll be fake, fake tits. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank everything. They go straight on eyelashes. I'd be that your contacts with that are purple. You know, when you watch movies and they always show the nerdy girl. Yeah, I'm really just a hot girl with glasses. He's Thelma, you know, like, oh, and a weird freaky kinky shit. Whoa, come down. Don't be adding that. I'll hit me, though. Doesn't doesn't put deodorant on it. Oh my God, what's going on? You're sure. No, you know what? OK, so small percentage of people think it's really hot. Yeah, it's not. What a dick. What a dick. Yeah, you have a little like chat room. I was kind of accurate, dude. It's kind of accurate. It's a hell of a guy. Small percentage of people think. I don't like it. Hey, don't make it. Don't don't stoke my ego. No, you know what it is? I here's what I think. I think that they're not going to copy anybody. They're going to create new characters that are going to be better. Well, they're going to tap into this. That's my point is that they they what is to stop them from utilizing all of our written and and and audio content to basically formulate a better version. So OK, they've already kind of tried this with like movie scripts, right? You've seen that the and it's just a disaster. Yeah, I know. It's right here right now. It's hilariously bad. OK. But again, to like if you if you move this out like say 10 to 20 years or so, I guarantee that it's going to be not having some fact. Well, you'll also also understand to that movies and art will be the I think the last something like this as much as I want to believe we're super artistic. But you don't think a conversation is an art. No, he's right. Justin's right. A hundred percent. Conversation is going to be really hard. It's it's so clunky right now with machines. OK, there's no way. It's going to replace it. Were you seeing with the job? I mean, it's not that it's not that bad, you know. So there's two parts. One, when they first when they did the first computers that beat chess grandmasters, what they did is the computers learned from moves that actual human chess grandmasters would make, then would make calculations based off of odds. And then that's how it would win. Today's computers that play chess don't do that. They actually get set traps. They get created. They set traps. This is why there's that one chess player that they think cheated, right? Because what they do to test to see if you cheated is they compare your moves to what an AI machine would make. And the best chess grandmaster, I think 70 percent. Yes. Yes. The best because they do like really risky things, like immediately sacrifices that no human would ever do. They wouldn't think that. And because he's going. That's like so the closest anyone's ever been. It's actually Bobby Fisher. Yes. Bobby Fisher's moves were seventy two or seventy percent accurate to what the most sophisticated AI machine would have made. And this guy that anything is like a hundred percent. Well, I was hired now. It was like not or not that high. It was like ninety something. Yeah, right. It was it was so high that it was like it set off all these all these flags like there's no way nobody in history has ever been that close. But that and by the way, that it still hasn't been. They haven't caught him. That's how they're proving that he did it. Well, they have not actually caught him and do it, which here's what I would argue. He's a he's a young kid who has grew up playing that. So he's he's mapped. OK, hold on. Let me put this in his brain. Let me put this in our talk. Let me put this in our talk for a second. OK, so I thought about this. No, no, no, no. You know why? Because I my name's Adam. No, no, no, no, no, go ahead. No, no, no, because I listen to a podcast where they talked about all this and I was trying to trying to wrap my brain around it. It's like this. It's like somebody whose max deadlift is three pounds and then a year later, they're deadlifting a thousand pounds. We would all of us would know and they already trained their ass off. So I don't know. All of us would be like, OK, that's not that's not possible. There's obviously something going on. That's that's the equivalent. I mean, comparing the the physiological ability to get that smart in relation to building. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I take that analogy because I think that chess world is like that. Well, yeah, I get what you're comparing. But I think if a kid has been playing against right, but he played before to and he went from here to here in a period of time where they're like, OK, this is not even this is not even humanly possible. Anyway, my point, my point with all that is that here's what I think. I think it's going to be very interesting when AI machines get to the point where they're creative, they out compete us in creativity because already they're getting close to where you can write a script, feed it to AI machine and it'll generate your movie for you. Yeah, it'll generate the scene for you. Also with art, too. Like they're you can like describe based off of what type of like, say there's a distinctive character, but you want him in a certain location and then you basically just tell it to go through the entire Internet and find images and it like smashes them all together and it creates like this image or painting based off of what you're typing in and is weird. So what's going to happen when we find when we get to that point, we create these really smart AI characters and the AI characters come up with solutions for our big problems. Are humans going to accept the solutions? Like what if AI machine comes out and says, well, here's a deal with climate change. Here's what we really need to do. We need to build nuclear reactors everywhere. And I'll be like, no, well, I don't agree with that. And it's like, no, here's the data. Here's what's going to happen. Like, are we going to accept the advice that they give us? Are we still going to push to be more likely to listen to machines or humans? That's right. Because like, look how fallible our leaders are right now. Like, look how much like they've done in terms of like people, you know, losing faith in terms of like our people in positions of power versus like, say now machines come in and they have better answers. And do machines actually understand humanity? There's that one question with self-driving cars, which is you're in a car and it's driving you and it has the option to make a decision. It has to either run the dog over or hit like no, no, like it's going to hit like four kids crossing the street or or drives off the cliff and kills you. Right. Like, does it calculate? Well, this four children, you're a 40 something year old man, four children, more valuable. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? Or like that movie with Will Smith, where all the robots are like to protect you all. We're going to lock you in your room and you're actually the problem. Yeah. And we're just going to give you everything you need when humans like no, no, that's not how we want to live, you know. So it's going to be really interesting what that looks like. But as far as like, what are people going to do? I mean, shit, we may get to a point where we don't have to work anymore. I know. Do you think we'll see that in our lifetime? Probably not Doug's with ours. What do you think? Do you think that it's possible? I don't know. Doug's an outlier. I don't know. It's been a while since I did an old joke. Doug's going to have a real hot body, dude. He's going to keep going. We've all been together now for almost eight years. I predict, here's a prediction for us that we always like to call stuff. By year 12, people will think Doug's the youngest. Yeah, it's already happening. Yes. It's slowly happening like that. Like, it was clear when we first started. I was like, I felt like we looked the youngest and then it's like. I'd love to see a simulation of that with our faces. Just like. Doug getting younger, we're getting older. He's right now. He's sucking the youth out. We're going to be like, we're going to be like who's we're just for that young producer you guys. At our funerals, Doug's going to give a speech and be like, you know, they used to joke about my age all the time. It's really sad that I'm here and they're not because they were younger than me. But, you know, anyway, anyway, it'll be interesting. Do you think in our lifetime, we're going to get to that place where the, you know, AI robots are handling a large portion of labor? Yeah. Yeah, because let's think if we if we live, I mean, if we live into the 40 years, that's four decades. Things are accelerating so fast. Four decades today is like 200 years before. Yeah. I mean, we're using it for all kinds of predictive, like in terms of crime, in terms of like preventing disasters, like we're relying a lot on a lot of these algorithms and things to kind of predict that for us. It's just inevitable. How unhappy we're going to be so unhappy. Yeah. It's crazy. Crazy to think that, right? You're right. We're going to get everything that we think we need and we're going to be a figure, can't figure out why the hell we're so upset and sad and anxious. Yeah. We have no purpose at some point. Yeah. Could you do this funny? I was watching a Rick and Morty episode like that where everything was done for oh, there were dinosaurs. So dinosaurs came back down to earth and apparently there's a super hyper intelligent, super evolved beings. And they just want to solve. We just want to solve your problems and the humans are like, all right, cool. And then they solve everybody's problems and then they're all sitting around the kitchen table and getting hammered and just like, ah, what do I do? I can only so much like painting I can do. Like I need to feel like I'm adding something to society. I mean, it's funny, but it's like you're the story you I mean, we used to share on the podcast all the time. You're still traveled. You're your twilight zone episode, I think is like one of the most like epic like I mean to have the foresight to make a show like that. Like when was that show done? Like when's when's 1950s and 60s. Yeah, that's that's wild to be. Actually humans have understood this for a long time. Religion has taught this for ancient practices have taught this for thousands of years and data data shows us in order for us to be happy. We have to have struggle. We have to have challenge. So that's that. So we always trying to get rid of struggling challenge out of our lives thinking that's going to make us feel better. Yeah, we can't even pick our own movies to watch now. Do you see the new feature on Netflix? This is just throw up. No, I mean, it's kind of cool, but it's just like God, if you're you're too lazy to even scroll and find something out now it recommends based off of your algorithm. So like when you first surprised me. Yes. Option. Yeah, I did like randomly we'll we'll you know what is it? What does it say for you? I actually didn't even do it because I knew what I wanted to watch. We should do that and so the so the the one of the flaw in mine and maybe I don't know how you guys are at your house, but like Katrina and I are not consistent with like, oh, I'm picking the movie. So I'm going to go in my thing. So it ran it. Yeah. So ran it like, you know, like, I mean, and we have the the properties that we have together. Yeah, I'm like, why are you scary movies? I forgot to log out. Justin. We're like, you know, shit like that. I was like, do I watch ancient aliens? Yeah. If it's aliens, scary and fricking conspiracy theories. I know Justin's been up a truckie, dude. My Netflix is off, man. Like, it's, you know, helps me sleep. Hey, speaking of our property stuff, how is the the one in Utah coming along? Oh, my God, I just want to be done. I just want to be done. We're so we're a couple things. Well, first you paint the context, what we're trying to do out there for. Yeah. Oh, I think most the audience knows if you don't. I mean, we're we're doing our first short term rental. So and this is going to be like a, you know, luxury slash biohacking slash experience, right? So it's going to have sauna, steam, infrared jacuzzi or infrared sauna. Well, the cold dip, Juve lights, PRX set up, movie theaters, jacuzzi outside. And then the last thing I'm actually dealing with today is I got to get on with and so bad. I got to practice not saying chilly anymore. They're asleep. Me is the name means a new company. Yeah. So the Sleep Me mattress pad. So I'm getting them for all the bedrooms. So you have those and getting them dual all of them dual. No, I'm only going to do the two. So we have two kings and a queen. I think I'm going to do the two kings, the dual. Well, we'll see because I have to negotiate this, right? So obviously I want the duals for all of them. If I can, even though the queen I'll probably do a single, but the at least the two kings. Well, those I mean, those ones are, you know, they're expensive to have the dual ones. So I know that if I hope that they'll they'll hook that up. If they do, I will buy them for sure. Every every bed will have the controlled temperature. So the idea is you go you rent this property and you have you can work out. You can do sauna. You could do, you know, cold dip. You could have this sleep experience, red light therapy. Basically, you could go there and do all the stuff that we talk about, you know, I get this experience. I talked to like I hung out with Mike last night. He's in town, right? So I was sharing with him this this venture and it was interesting. He actually right. Well, he got excited about like, dude, this is he goes, I think it's brilliant. And I'd be very nice to hear from him. Yeah, yeah. He'll be the first one to tell you something stupid. Well, that's Mike Matthews, by the way. Yeah. So people know. Oh, sorry, sorry. But anyway, his his suggestion was really in line with what you had said off air before when we were talking about it of like that we kind of pack it do like these packages where it's like the three day, you know, detached experience or the seven day kickstart your wellness thing or the 30 day change your life and kick off. And like, and so there's like, yeah, we include like basically a protocol, you know, do the dip first, then do this, then do that, then go for a walk and like literally map out for people and make like this whole experience around it. Now, I think, obviously, it'll be a little more work for us to do that. But I think he's right that that would be amazing for our audience. I think most people will really enjoy that. But I don't also want to like, I also want people to have that option of like, I don't want to, I just want you don't have to. Yeah. I would like to selfishly. That's how I want to use it. I don't want to leave work and like do work stuff for me. You don't say I want to be like, maybe I'll jacuzzi every day. And that's all and watch movies. That's how I'll do. Or maybe I am going to go there and cold punch and sauna and work out on the flexibility. Yeah, I don't want to feel like, you know, I have to do this regimen. So I think having that as an option. And I told him the idea of like having, you know, this iPod iPod iPad tutorial, like that you like basically walking people through all the stuff and how to use it properly and what it's for. And well, think about like more and more people are needing breaks so they can go feel healthier. You know what I mean? Like a break from life so I can go somewhere and improve my health, improve my sleep, make myself feel good, which people enjoy people enjoy doing that. Then I can go back to my regular. If we can keep this thing really, if we can keep this thing filled up, we can be competitive with it, which is what I really want to do. I really want to be able to keep the occupancy year around and actually be able to be competitive with like just like a neighbor, which is, you know, like, why would you stay at the house next to ours? Well, for relatively the same price or close to and we have all of this that you have access to. I mean, you're talking about close to a quarter million dollars worth of stuff that will be in these houses. So I think and if you ever thought about trying any of those things, I think that there's going to be a huge pool. I hope. I mean, that's the plan for this. The plan is that, you know, and that will attract people even in, you know, the quote, unquote down months in these areas, right? So obviously during ski season in Park City, this thing is going to fly like crazy. It'll be booked. But then they have slow months when it's just, you know, it's beautiful out in Utah, but it's not it's near a ski town. So there's not skiing going on. And so when it's slower, I'm hoping that that's we're going to be able to keep these places filled up. If we can prove this model, then this is going to be a direction that we're going to move it to. And what I was talking to Mike last night was if we prove it, then I could see us partnering up with like one or two of our friends, not necessarily because we need it, but we can go bigger and faster with partners like helping us finance it and move it quicker. So speaking of trying new things, I love it when I get my paradigm shifted a little bit or when I thought something about something and then I find data and experience something completely different. So let me paint the picture here. So I don't know what I did last last week. I think it was I did some high poles and I decided to go relatively heavy for me. I say heavy because I don't do this exercise regularly. So I went up to like 225 and I did a few reps here and there. High poles. Yeah. Yeah, and I didn't know snatch grip and and then I kind of felt on my right wrist right here in the top, like a little bit of a strain, but I felt that before and it wasn't a big deal. So I'm like, OK, whatever. Anyway, yesterday I did my normal workout and I still kind of felt a little bit and I was like, oh, that's kind of whatever. Go to bed and it woke me up in the middle of my throbbing, which never happens. It's like tons and tons of pain. Now. So now that I've painted the context, OK, so CBD or cannabinoids have this kind of anti pain, anti-inflammatory effect and I've seen products before with CBD that you or cannabinoids that you rub onto your skin for the pain. Now I've always thought that was stupid. I'm like, it's systemic. Like how can rubbing it on a specific area? It's not even going to go deep enough. Yeah. Like how's that going to work or whatever. Well, and one of our partners, Ned has a topical relief cream and I never talked about it because I never tried it because I was always skeptical about how that would work. But anyway, I'm in pain. I'm desperate. Like what the hell? So I rub it on and it I can I feel a difference and I'm like, is this placebo? Like what's going on? Am I really noticing different looked up some data and some studies? I didn't know this is bad on me. They definitely have studied topical cannabinoid treatments and they definitely have shown to be efficacious in many cases. So don't know what's happening. OK, so OK, so you're not going to be able to maybe answer. I could speculate. So when I when I was in the when we were when I had the clubs and we had the cannabis clubs, they had a lot of versions of this. And I did think they were pretty much bullshit. Like we I actually passed a lot on a lot of vendors that way. And I had them I had them all around my house all the time and I'd be messing with them trying like and I really didn't. But they had like alcohol based ones like there's a lot of different ones that I had tried out. And I was never sold on it. And what I thought was the same thing is like there's no way this is penetrating all the way into my like my bone. Right. And then actually giving me relief there. I thought, oh, you know, it's probably happening. This is like I see hot where it's like I feel something there. And so my brain says relax or calm down something more related to that. It's really not doing anything. Well, well, I think that's exactly what's happening. But what's so to put it differently, the way you perceive pain is a big part of pain, big, big part of pain. So pain is very complicated. Talk to any doctor who treats people for pain. It's one of the most complex things because you have the physiological thing that's happening that they can kind of measure like, okay, we could see what's happening here. We see with the chemicals that are being released. We know what happens in the brain. But then there's this perception or this experience of pain. So this is why somebody who's been working out for a long time will experience the pain of exercise differently than somebody who's a beginner. They have the same physiological thing that's happening. In fact, they have the same if not they're not if not more pain than a beginner, but they don't perceive it as uncomfortable because it built this different relationship. And this is why some people, you know, they think are, you know, they they're more or less, you have people like, oh, I'm more sensitive to pain or less sensitive to pain or certain types of pain. For example, like men and women experience pain differently. There's been studies done on this. So I think what's happening is something to do with the cannabinoids, the local cannabinoids in the skin that are changing the way that your brain receives the pain signal. So so very similar to like an icy hot experience. Correct. So then if that's their case, why not combine like the full spectrum hemp with absolutely because when you take it internally, you get this systemic anti inflammatory effect that we can measure physiologically. But then you also have this topical, you know, within five to 10 minutes, you're feeling this pain relief. Interesting. Yeah. So I don't know if it if the topical speeds up healing, aside from maybe you move differently because you're not as limited and so that increased motion might help speed up recovery or whatever we could speculate. But you definitely experience less pain. So it's weird. I rubbed it on. So most likely that's what's going on here. It's not this healing properties that are going to heal it. It's what it is is going to dull the pain. And so to give you temporary relief in combination with taking something else rehab. Now, could it speed up healing in this sense? Like I need to do mobility on my hip. But my hip is stiff and sore and it's really hard to get through certain movements. Here, let me rub this relief, you know, this CBD relief relief cream on it. Now I can do the movements that I know we're going to help me out. So that in that case, it could help help. It's so interesting with pain like that, like interrupting the signal. Because even with like tape, I found that in certain instances, that does help. Yeah. And it's like, if I could just kind of take a little bit of the the stress of the force, you know, away from that initial response from that muscle, it's like it does provide enough to be able to now work through those movements and then start the recovery. You're 100% right. So you're talking about the what they call it physiotherapy. Yeah, I've been using with athletes. Yeah, there's legit taping where like my wrist hurts and I tape it to the point where it's stiff. So now I've got like a almost like a support around my wrist, but that's not how physiotherapy works. They'll actually you'll see people have taped down their back on the sides of their shoulders. So it's not supportive. But what it does is it gives an outside signal, redirects it. Correct. So it gives an outside signal that gets your body to move a little bit differently, which then gets you to maybe experience less pain. Plus that could also interrupt kind of like acupuncture. People want to know how does acupuncture work? Well, these little needles are changing the paint the way you experience pain through the maybe the signaling process, right? Totally off topic. But did you guys see the news with Kanye? Yeah, he's gonna buy parlor parlor. So okay, so what do you think about that? I think that's really interesting. So he came out and said because he because Instagram and Twitter like, you know, you know, regulated him or put him in, you know, Instagram jail for whatever time like that was what that's when you know you're so you're so rich that you get mad at like this. You get mad at social media. My own social media go buy a competitor just because I can. So supposedly that's why he's making the move. Now, I'm less excited about that than Elon and Twitter. No, no offense to ye. But you know, if it was if you almost sounded evil, if he was I mean, if he was buying Nike, I'd be excited if he's in now because the guy is a brilliant artist. And he's he's definitely, you know, got cutting edge, you know, fashion and that that direction. So he's buying a company like that. I'd be okay, this is going to be interesting. Let's see what he does with it. Like that that's interesting to me, like his his own line or something like that with clothing or something to do with records and music like that's interesting. But social media, I mean, to me like excited about Elon is, you know, Elon is such a brilliant business builder that him going and buying that is exciting, like, oh, what's he going to do? Hey, don't not cognate. Connie's built some crazy businesses. He has, but mostly related to what I just said, right? Yeah. Well, yes. Yes. You know what this does for me is it makes me excited about the future of social media. It's finally becoming competitive, you know, in a better way. Now it seems like it hasn't happened yet. So that's still a big that's a big maybe. Yeah, what happened with because wasn't Trump starting his own Trump social? Yeah, like, did that just completely disintegrate? Yeah, or what? I don't know. Truths. Oh, true. I said Trump social. I wouldn't be honest. He wanted to name it that. I'm exactly. Exactly. Do you guys think that Connie is crazy? Do you think he's actually crazy? No, I don't. I mean, you know, any like super eccentric artist, you know, you could label as crazy, right? Like, he's like way out there in terms of like his ideas. You know what? So here's what I agree. I think I don't agree with everything he says. So I want to say that. Yeah, I think just like anybody else, but I don't think he's crazy. I think they're painting him as crazy because some of the stuff he says is so controversial. Yeah. And that's the game. The game is if they don't like what you say, they'll either make you a white supremacist or they'll say your, I don't know, masochist. He makes you think. And so therefore, and if it's a way that you don't want to think of then you want to label him as crazy and, you know, like basically devalue anything else to say. Yeah. I mean, he says some stuff again that I don't disagree with. But I mean, I'm not saying I agree with what I'm just saying. That's what you know. That's what I think. I think what's what's happening is both, you know, left and right have been. I mean, even I was listening to I mean, I can't believe that he's what I he's brilliant when it comes to, you know, he's lyrically one of the most talented rappers that we've ever seen. And so he can he can talk about really nuanced cool things on a song. And I think he's great at that. I think what has happened is he's been, you know, drug into this political sphere and really has no business in there. I really don't think that I mean, he's not meant to be a politician and you have both right. You know, what's his name? Tucker Carlson had him on. And I and they literally take him and they interview him for an, you know, an hour or whatever it is. And then they chop it up to fit their narrative. To you know, I'm saying it's best they possibly can, because if you let it listen probably the whole thing free, you'd be like, this is awful or all over the place. Like when he had the run with Joe Rogan, I don't know if you guys listen to Joe Rogan one, but it was just like, you know, there's like snippets of like, oh, yeah, I agree with that. Or that makes sense. But then it goes, you know, you know, moments, you know, he sounded like sense. He sounded to me like someone you ever know and lots of people like this where they get nervous. And when they get nervous and anxious, they just go, go, go, go and talk, talk, that's what it sounded like. I agree. That's why he has no business getting into like the political conversations. Because it's and it's not that I don't agree with some of the things and thoughts that he has. Like I do their stuff that he says. I'm like, yeah, you know, I don't totally disagree with that. Let me ask you guys this. Would you rather have somebody be brutally honest, but you don't like what they have to say half the time? Yes. Or have somebody lie sweetly to you? Make sure. Definitely. Brutally honest. Isn't it? You know, it's funny. Most people want the other. Most people say what we're saying, but most people actually don't want that. Yeah. What they would prefer is to be like, you want to be sued in the media proves it. Popular media proves it. People don't want to be told. They don't want people to say stuff that they don't agree with. Well, I think those are two different things. I think people I think people get on their their their ideology and then they don't want that disruptive. But I still think that generally speaking, people would rather have the brutal truth than to be like those are unpopular people, bro. Yeah. People who are super honest. Those are the people that a lot of people like, oh, God, that guy over there. Oh, that girl over there. Or, you know, if they don't like it, they'll try and find somebody's argument that will devalue that brutal, honest truth. Right. So it's like, oh, well, they're logically creating an argument to counter that. So I'm going to go in this direction. Yeah. I mean, I think on the surface, logically, yeah, we would prefer somebody to be honest so we know what we're dealing with. But in action. No, we don't like that. People want to they want to be told sweet lies. People want their their bias confirmed. Totally. Yes. You know what I'm saying? So that that that is true. But I think again, general speaking, generally speaking, I think that if someone's being, you know, spoken to that they would prefer the radical honesty, even if it hurts or that's what they say, bro. But think about it like somebody who wants to get in shape. What would they rather hear? Hey, man, it's mostly your fault. Or would they rather hear me say it's not your fault at all. It's everybody else's fault. It's your genetics. Here's a pill. Take this. This will solve it for you. Like what would be like what would be easier to sell? Personal responsibility. Nobody wants to hear it. No, it's it's it's the truth. Everybody's like, I love honesty. No, you don't. You want people to make you feel good with their lies. That's the truth. So somebody like Kanye, who I don't think the guy lies at all to his fault. I think he says everything that's on his mind, which which is why he gets on a lot of people's nerves and why people call him crazy and stuff. I think he's telling exactly what he feels. I don't think he has. I don't think he knows how to how to tell people comfortable lies. But look what they destroy him. I mean, he might have been a better president than Trump or Biden. That's for sure. Oh, my God. I don't want to. I mean, I don't either. But I mean, like, come on, really? I don't know. I don't know if we I don't know if we'd be going to war right now. I don't know if we would have been so divided like we were with Trump. Like, I mean, I would have divided shit out of everybody. Oh, my God. No, I think so. I think you feel that way now because of because of how the right the right is using him now. They're totally using him now. You know what I'm saying? So he's he's turned into a political pawn now. But I think if you actually just kind of left the guy alone and let him let him have his crazy ideas and stuff like that, we would, you know, it wouldn't be that as bad as it is right now. What's the left? You know why the left? The left hates him because he doesn't follow their narrative and he's black. That's a fact because he's black. Yeah. He says certain things and they can't necessarily call them. They use their favorite weapon, which is your racist. The right likes them because he says some stuff that they like and also if him and Candace Owens were white, there's no way they're getting away with the T-shirt that they wear. That's right. They have you get crucified for that. That's right. Although, although Candace Owens is on a different level, she says a lot of stuff that pisses people off too, but she's she's really sharp with how some of the whether you agree with her or not. You don't want to tangle with her on a stage in debate. Yeah, I think the part that I think that is unfortunate for Kanye is I don't. I don't. I think he's been smelling his own farts for so long that he doesn't realize how much he's being used like that. It's that's the part that's sad. Like, you know, yeah, there's things that maybe I agree and disagree with him that that's beside the point with the reality that everybody on every side is like, let's use this guy totally. I mean, that's and I think that's and that's sad about the right and the left. I think they see a pawn like that and they're like, this dude has so much influence. Let's use them. And it's it's unfortunate. And unfortunately, it's making him look crazy bad, all these things and he's going to get all this hate. And it's like, and I think he thinks he's making this like huge impact or has potential to even become the president, right? So that's the crazy part for sure, which I think you have if you're that level of an artist and billionaire, you have to have some level of narcissism and belief in yourself. So it isn't that far fetched for him to think that he is that way. Yeah, that's a proof itself when he got like millions of people. Yeah, yeah, record. Well, that's a that's a psychological fact. People who speak in front of crowds, leaders, entrepreneurs have a higher level of narcissism than people that don't because that's scary shit. And so in order for you to do scary shit, you have to kind of think you can do what other people can't do. So and we know this, remember, we talked to the psychology expert and she, you know, she rated us and whatever. And she said, no, no, narcissism there's unhealthy narcissism, but there's a there's a range of narcissism that's within health and higher levels of it are kind of required. Both narcissism, both narcissism and ego have got a bad rap and they both are necessary for massive success. You've got to have an ego. You've got to have some level of narcissism to to be otherwise you're like, who am I to go up there? You don't tell people you've got to have that. And there's a healthy dose of it. And then there's then there's not. It's it's it's got a bad rap. This idea that I just got in this debate with my my brother-in-law talking about a kid who's always got this ego. So why is everyone just because you have an ego. It's bad. Like everybody has one. You can have a healthy one. You can have a strong ego and confident in yourself and believe self-belief. And you have to have a little bit of narcissism to believe that you can beat the odds. So I mean, there's the hell would start a best a business. Nobody would if you didn't have that. No, look at the odds. If you just did the numbers, you'd be like, I would say don't do it. Yeah, everybody would say don't do it. Like this is this is a lose. I'm going to lose 100 percent. Right. Right. Anyway, speaking of narcissism, so we have you are the master of transition. I love it. No, we got another live event. The whole covid strange. Another this is the first in almost three years and the first time that we're having it here. We're going to have it here at mine pump media headquarters headquarters with the studio and our gym where we film and all that stuff. And I am excited to meet people live again. Real life people real people. You know why I was who's I talking to you about this? Oh, Lewis House. I was talking to Lewis House about this. And he said, do you live events like are they profitable? Such a name dropper. Yeah, what's the deal? And oh, God. Hanging out with my friend. Yeah, I just, you know, casually. I don't have a lot of friends. No, I was like, are they really promising? No, they're they're not super profitable, I said. But the that's super. They're not profitable. They're not profitable. I think we had one that we actually didn't lose money. I know. And I said the reality is the reason why we do it is it keeps us grounded because you know, when I used to train people, one thing I used to like about it was it kept my finger on the pulse of what's going on and, you know, how to communicate certain things, what works, what doesn't work. What I what I don't like about what we do here is I'm talking to, you know, out to the camera, to the microphone. And I don't necessarily see on a day to day basis how it's really impacting people, what's working and what's not working. And so I feel like I could float off the ground a little bit and lose that grounded, you know, kind of what makes us effective. So when we meet people we hear experiences and we talk to them it really drives us differently. So that's why we're that's why we're doing this. And I'm excited because we haven't never heard that. Yeah, for sure. I love these live events. I've always have, dude. It's great to meet people in person. It's just a totally different experience. Well, and we are doing a VIP experience like we never had before. I mean, that's going to be first of all, we have a guest. We'll have Max there. So the audience, yeah, get to hang out with Max. If you're the if you do, if you're one of the 10 people that get the VIP experience, you get three private experiences with us and Max, which I think is really cool. The one you can see the live recording, then you get to go to the Christmas party with all of us. And then the fireside chat. So to do these three cool kind of intimate things. I mean, coming into our our personal company party and letting outside people do that, that's nothing. We've never done that. The fireside chat came from what Sal and I did out when NCI. We had such a huge turnout from that. Everybody loved that experience. So building that into this will be cool. That will probably be if you're listening to this right now, that will probably be close to selling out or didn't are already sold out. So it's got to be if you're interested in that. Where do they go for this? Do we know what the site is to get signed up? Yeah, it's minepuppleive.com. That's it. Minepuppleive.com and you get you get set up and then we can meet you and hang out. It'll be a good time. Look, high quality ingredients, convenience, great tasting organifies, superfood blends make it easy and enjoyable to add more variety and nutrition to your day. Organify has great products. One of my favorites is their green juice. Great way to start the day. But they have many, many other products. Go check them out. Head over to organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com forward slash mine pump then use the code mine pump for 20% off. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Gage from Oregon. Gage, what's happening? How can we help you? All right, guys. So my fitness journey started about 2016. I was 260 pounds. And then I kind of needed to lose some weight because I'm 5'10". And I did it the wrong way. I kind of starved myself and got all the way down to about 165 pounds. And yeah, it wasn't too good. And I got back in the lifting weights about 18 months after that. And I'm currently doing maps. I think it's power lift. But I just finished maps performance. And I'm kind of looking at it a direction ago. I'm currently eating about 3,500 calories anywhere from 35 to 300 calories a day. And I kind of plateaued. I'm wondering which way I should go. OK, so there's so many different factors that could be affecting a plateau in progress. So sleep is one of them. So how is your sleep? Is it consistent? Is it good? Are you getting eight hours a night? Yes, sir. So I usually work out on about 4.45. So I go to bed around 8.30. OK. Try and get as much sleep as I can. OK, so sleep would be one. Sounds like that's good. Then there's life stressors. There's also protein intake. You could be 3,500 calories. Not enough protein. And then lastly, I think you might need to change up the workout programming a little bit. Oftentimes, yeah, you know, sometimes you'll progress only for so long and then you really need to change up the workout programming. Now, before you did power lift, what kind of program did you do? I read performance. Mass performance. And then before that? Anabolic. Anabolic. I'm going to have you do map symmetry. I think map symmetry is different. It's very different. Lots of unilateral work. And it may expose some of the reasons why some of your lifts aren't going up. Your bilateral lifts aren't going up. In your question, it says your bench press. You also mentioned in here that you feel like you're just gaining too much body fat? Yeah. Yeah, I don't feel comfortable in my own skin. Well, you could definitely drop the calories. I'd bring them down by maybe 300 or so. So maybe to 3,100, follow map symmetry and then kind of see what happens. See how it feels. But sometimes that's all it takes, right? Because if you look at everything down the list and everything else looks good, then just the change in programming, sometimes you need to make a really big change in programming, like a different style of training. And map symmetry is very different. It's, there's a short phase of isometrics and then lots of unilateral work. And then it finishes up with kind of this five by five strength phase, in which case you'll probably see some strength gains there. I feel like I want to dive in a little bit with your relationship with food. I know very little about you right now, but if you were a client of mine, I'd want to ask more questions around the reason why you did a dramatic cut like that where you just basically you starved your body for it sounds like well, almost a year or whatever it was to get to drop almost a hundred pounds. Well, sorry. No, no, go ahead, tell me, go ahead. So I was a senior in high school at the time and I was going into college and well, I think I wanted to get a girlfriend. Girls make us do shit, don't they? And so you cut calories really, really low for an extended period of time, lost a hundred pounds. And then since then have been obviously introducing more calories because 3400 calories is a decent place to be at. But what I'd be worried about is that you were so used to being low calorie for so long that just simply being in a little bit of a surplus and having a little bit of water weight the next day or being filled up with carbs gives you this feeling of, oh my God, I'm getting fat. And I'm so afraid to go back to that 260 pound guy and so then you go back the other direction and you cut calories and you go do this up back and forth thing when you just started to probably fuel your body good to support something like Matt's power lift to get stronger, to build more muscle. But then the psychological part starts fucking with you because you're like, oh my God, I don't want to get fat again. So I got to reduce calories again. So you're not really actually in this consistent surplus to build strength. So I would want to know more around that. And does that speak to you at all? And what do you have to say to that? Yeah, I think you're probably right. I do have a bad relationship with food considering, you know, I started myself for however long, 18 months and just trying to get that body fat off. But yeah, I probably need to do some reflection on that. Where are you at right now, weight-wise? Currently like 190, 195, so it's been coming back on. Yeah, 190, at 510? Yes, sir. Yeah, that's not bad. I mean, if you do cut your calories, a small cut would be fine, you know? Two, three hundred calories would be okay because you already have 3,400 calories. But a change in workout programming, I think will make a big difference for you. Okay. Sounds good, symmetry. I'll look into it. No, no, no, we're gonna send it to you. Okay. Yeah, you're talking to us. Yeah. We're gonna give it to you for free. It's like Santa Claus. Yeah, everybody else you gotta buy. All right. But you get it for free, Gage. Yeah. Did you get a girlfriend by the way? All right. Did you get a girlfriend? I'm married. Oh, hey, it works. Holy cow. You know. You skipped a step. Yeah. Yeah, I did. I also, just real quick, so I have two jobs. I work on a farm and then I also work for a commercial spraying applicator. So I'm always outdoors, you know, working with my hands, moving around a bunch. Maybe I'm doing too much volume. Could that possibly be a part of it? Oh, I mean, maybe. How long have you been doing that for? Five years. Yeah, you know, so here's the interesting thing about people who work in manual type labor or work with physical jobs. After a certain amount of years, the body adapts pretty well. I mean, I come from a family of blue-collar workers and it always shocks me at their body's ability to just handle workload. So it's usually after five to 10 years where it's not, I mean, it's still somewhat of a stress just because you're moving and it's work, but it's more like a normal stress, you know, for that person. Like somebody is sitting at a desk and getting stressed out at work versus just it's being a lot of like, does your job make you soar? Do you get sore from your job anymore? No, sir. Yeah, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Yeah, honestly, I feel like Adam was in the right direction there. Just knowing a lot of athletes I've trained before they've been on the cut for a very long period of time trying to manage their weight and it just was not contributing to their performance at all. So being well-fed is definitely a part of that process to get the kind of gains and progress forward like I think you're looking for. So I think looking into that and messing around maybe with some mini-bulks, mini-cuts and kind of making sure that you're fed through a part of the training process is gonna contribute a lot. It sounds counterintuitive, but I'm with Justin and I know Sal was talking to you about doing a little bit of a cut, but I'm speculating that you probably haven't been on like a bulk since you did this massive cut and I would imagine that anytime you creep up on calories you probably psychologically fuck yourself and go back the other direction. And so your body might just do really well being fed a little bit more calories and just trying to get fucking strong for a little bit. And have you ran a bulk? When was the last time you actually ran a bulk? I don't think I ever actually have. Yeah, there you go. And again, it's gonna be the psychological part. If it would be add a little bit of calories, try and get strong in the gym and that's your main thing you're focused on. Don't sweat a couple pounds here and there. If you're getting stronger in the gym and you're feeling good, that would be where I'd try and focus. Build that muscle, man. You know, Gage, how do you know you're consuming 3,400 calories a day, by the way? Do you track? Yes, sir, I do. How do you use the lose it app? Okay, well, that's good. By the way, 3,400 calories is not bad for a guy your size. That's not a bad, yeah, that's actually pretty good. So I mean, if you're scared of adding calories, you can even just keep them where they're at and follow map symmetry and then, you know, make sure you feed your body appropriately as you start to get stronger, yeah. So should I run the cut during symmetry? You know, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say, why don't you keep the calories where they're at at first and see how you feel? Because I do agree, a cut, a small cut would be fine, but I wouldn't do it for too long, you know, like a few weeks and then go back to maintenance or back to a little bit of above. I mean, your body weight and your height, I think you're fine and your calories are high enough to where a cut, it's not making me freak out. Like if you had 2,400 calories or 2,000 calories, I wouldn't want you to go on a cut, but 3,400, you have some room to play, so. So it's okay to go on a little bit of a cut, but it's also okay to stay at maintenance and then follow a new program because that'll fuel the strength that you're looking for. Gage, one last question before we hang up and I talk about you. Your steps, have you ever tracked him in the day? Yes, sir. It's usually about 15,000, anywhere from 15 to 17,000 stuff. Yeah, he's moving a lot. He's moving a lot, bro. Are you, do you want 100%? Yeah, you could 100% handle a bulk right now. Yeah. I would push that way. I would push you in the bulk direction. And, all right. Like 3,600 calories or something like that. Yeah, maybe even a little bulk. Yeah, even 38, dude. 38 and trying to get strong. I mean, yeah, I really think you're not, let's put it this way, you're adding to go into 3,800 calories, you are not going to be putting pounds of fat on every single week. No, no, no. I promise you that. Especially with new programming. That's right, but you will, you're increasing calories, most likely some carbohydrates, might be thirsty, you might hold a little bit of water weight here and there. Don't let that fuck with you. Focus on the strength in the gym. Get strong at the lifts that whatever program you're following, get strong and just hang tight for, give me a month, give me a month of training like that. And then you think and call us back and we can talk about where you're, or actually, you know what, let's do this. Doug, put them in the forum. You have Facebook? No. You don't got Facebook out in that corner. Just what I thought. Now I like to. I tell you what, reach back, reach back to us then in a month. Send an email to. Yeah, send an email to Jerry again, just let her know that we asked you to reach back out in a month and let us know how you're doing. And then we'll talk again. I just think if you trust the process a little bit here, it'll serve you well. Thanks, Gage. You got it, man. Yeah, that's a, you know, two things. One, I mean, good, very good point you made there, Adam, just kind of, you know, talking about the relationship with food. And then two, with, you know, that being physically active, the way he is after a while, it really is remarkable how the body adapts to that kind of work. It's the new standard. Yeah, so I mean, he is moving a lot, which is good for his health. But at some point, it's not like you're burning shit tons of calories like you were when you first started. And so I want to say that to some people, cause I think some people might think. He's not, but I wouldn't have given that advice if he told me he was two to 4,000 steps a day. Cause that's a pretty high calories for somebody who's doing only two to 4,000 steps a day. And that makes a difference. But yeah, 15,000 is no joke. He's moving all day. I mean, that's, that's training. That was like being a full-time trainer type movement for me was 15,000 steps a day. So he's an active dude. And you're right. Your body adapts to exactly, he might have been burning 5,000 calories when he first got the job there. But then he's now adapted to this. But I definitely think that psychologically, this person who's lost a hundred pounds, right? Driven by- Well, they're gonna be fearful of every pound. Very fearful. And I bet what happens is, you hear the show where it's well, oh, I'm gonna increase my calories a little bit. The next day you wake up and you feel thicker or the scale goes up. Oh my God. I go back the other way. Cause he said he weighs 3,000 to 3,400, 3,000. I bet, I bet he tries to creep up to 34. He was like, he freaks out and goes back down there. And then he's wondering why he's plateaued in the gym while he's not fueling his body to grow and build. Next caller is Jake from Minnesota. Jake, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going? What's up, man? All right, so a little background on my question. I'm 27 years old and I have been lifting for about a decade, kind of on and off in two to three year stretches. And each time I've kind of taken a break from lifting, it's been because I have a really hard time gaining any significant strength or size. I'm about as strong now as I was when I started lifting when I was 17 years old. And I feel like I'm doing most things right. So, you know, I'm tracking my calories and protein intake. I'm sleeping seven, eight hours a night. I've tried lots of different kind of methods for working out. So I've done strength focused, kind of five by five plans. I've done bodybuilding focused plans. I've tried a bunch of different kind of splits. So like push, pull legs. And right now I'm doing full body three days a week. But all of it kind of yields the same results which is not very much. So just looking for your guys' opinions or suggestions or what I can do to kind of get over this hurdle. Did I hear that correctly? Did you say that you've been lifting for a decade and you're the same strength as you were back when you were 17 when you first started? Yeah, roughly. So probably, you know, a year into lifting, I'm about the same. So, you know, I started when I was 17, six months to 12 months in, I'm about as strong, you know, now as I was then. Yeah, I'd be pissed too. Yeah, you know, have you followed any of our maps programs? I haven't. No, I'm a relatively new listener but I'm looking at aesthetic potentially. No. Anabolic. Anabolic. Yeah, I'll send you maps, anabolic. And I want you to follow the two foundational workout a week side of that. What kind of intensity are you training with when you lift? Yeah, I feel like before I found you guys, there were times where I was training definitely too hard sore for days afterwards. Now I've switched it up and I'm, you know, training still pretty intensely but not to the point where I'm sore for days, you know, I'm going into my lifts feeling, you know, refreshed and recharged. So. Okay. Are you more circuit training kind of style based or like more strength training based? You said five by five. Oh, you said five by five? Okay. Yeah, I've done, I've done strength focused, yeah, five by five stuff and kind of bodybuilding focus, you know, feel the muscle and, you know, slow it down that kind of stuff. But all kind of you're building the same results. Yeah. So sometimes I'll run into somebody like you where the volume, the intensity required to get their body to progress is much lower than the average person or put differently a traditional amount of volume and intensity is too much for that person's body. And so, so I think we're going to have to scale it back a little bit, which as I said, maps and a ball look two foundational workouts a week, do the, do one or two trigger sessions on the off days and really follow the way we explain to lift on there. So when you do a set, take it to like, you know, maybe three, two or three reps before failure, don't go to failure on your lifts, practice your lifts, practice your form and then see, and then see if your strength things tend to go up and or that in relation to your food too. So I know I see on your question that you said that you eat high protein, so that which that would be like the first thing that I would ask is to make sure that you're hitting protein and take, but even just being consistent too with the diet, eating what you need consistently and training. What is, you say, and I understand why you would, you would stop for a while, being frustrated after training hard and consistently. How long is consistent for you? I mean, have you, have you strung like six plus months together? Do you normally go a couple months? Okay, okay, so you have. Yeah, it's normally two to three years and then I'll take a break six months or something like that and get back into it. And do you track calories? Have you done that before? Have you tracked macros? So give me an idea of what you eat and like what your activity level looks like on a daily basis. Yeah, so my maintenance I think is 24 to 26 just using some online calculators. I've done anything from a couple hundred calories above maintenance like three to 500 to some like pretty dirty books to see if I can put on strength. Right now I've kind of shifted to really just focusing on the protein doing about a gram per pound per day. So that's about 165 grams for me right now. Outside of the gym, I work at desk jobs. So, you know, pretty sedentary, getting up and doing walks throughout the day. But other than that, you know, it's my workouts and those walks and otherwise I'm at a desk. Jake, have you ever had, this is, there's a small chance this may be an issue but nonetheless, have you had a hormone panel done to look at things like testosterone, free testosterone? Yeah, just testosterone. I've never done any other tests for hormones. Do you remember where you were at? I don't remember off the top of my head. I just remember the, I use Everly Raw I think and the test results came back and said normal basically. I would go, I would get a blood panel done just to check, just to see if testosterone, free testosterone and other hormones are where they need to be. Especially if you're noticing any other signs of low testosterone, like low libido, low energy, low confidence, motivation, that kind of stuff. Just to take a look and see what's going on because if your free testosterone is lower than ideal, it's gonna be hard to make gains on almost any type of training program. And that sometimes is an issue. Now you're a young man, so that might not be the case, probably not, but at the very least, what you'll get is a baseline of where you're at when you're in your 20s. That way later on, if that ever does become an issue, you know where they were at the age you're at now. So one other thing with anabolic in terms of the active recovery piece, the trigger sessions in between is, that's one that we'd like to highlight a lot that people need to be consistent with that and try it a couple of different times throughout the day, if possible, with the rubber bands and just to keep stimulating those muscles, but to promote more of that recovery process. I don't know how good your sleep is, but obviously that's another factor going into this, but it's really just dial in the recovery process in conjunction with that needs to be emphasized. The trigger sessions are low intensity, by the way. So don't treat them like workouts when you do do that. Very low. Jake, we're gonna send you maps and a balik and then you can go to nphormones.com and talk to one of the people that we work with on doing like a hormone panel just to see kind of where you're at and if that's an issue or at the very least, like I said, get a baseline. Okay. Yeah, that sounds great. Thank you. Thanks, Jake. Appreciate it. All right, thanks guys. Bye. You know, I've had, it's not common, but I've had clients where the amount of volume that their body responds to, or should I say the amount of volume that is too much for them is way lower than the average person. I actually had a client once where he made gains on one day a week, one day a week. And you know, he walked and stuff on the other days more than one day a week and we did like mobility stuff. Like more than that. It's just like, it over-trained him. Just over-trained him. You know what, I just, I remember that because it took me so long to figure that out. Well, especially when the tendency is to just keep cranking more, you know? And that's the typical, right? Like you think that if nothing's progressing, you just have to keep piling on to that. Like when in some instances like this, if it's not working, like reducing the overall volume will make a difference. Something doesn't smell right to me. Yeah. I know. That's why we're trying to troubleshoot. Well, he's gonna get one of our programs to follow that and we'll see what happens. Yeah, I mean to be training for that long, you know. And not seeing any gains is crazy. Claiming that you're living in a surplus and hitting your protein. Well, that's why I said the hormone thing. He might be suffering some low, like low testosterone. I mean, and he's got a desk job so that there's some, there is a chance of that, but it just doesn't add up to me. I feel like I want more, I want to know more information. I'd want to see what's going on a little bit. I mean, and he's running a five by five programming. Yeah, which is legit. Running. Training. 10 years, eating, hitting protein take, living and doing surpluses, not stronger than what you were when you, are you kidding? Yeah. Like that's, and then not having any hormone issues or any glaring obvious things. Well, he didn't, he didn't want to go to that home. Sleep was said, he said sleep was good too, didn't he? Yeah, well, he didn't add home hormone dose, which the error rate on that, just because of the user and whatever can be pretty high and it's not really standard, right? It's not the gold standard, so. But who knows? Jake, if you're listening to this, I'd love to hear back from you after a couple months of following with Maps Anabolic. Just let us know what happened. Our next caller is Jose from Colorado. Jose, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey everyone, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. You got it. Great, yeah, so I'll just get started. So a little bit of background. So I've been weightlifting for almost eight years now. So I consider myself definitely not beginner and not by any means like super advanced, but I've had my fair share of phases of just being a really addicted to weightlifting. About six to one, about 220. Right now my goals are really just kind of just keeping my diet in track and cutting down some weight. I have a wedding in a few months that I'm looking to get down to, but my question is really in terms to one of my lingering injuries. So I was recently working through Maps Anabolic and I had a lingering injury that came back. And I was hoping to try to treat it and really try to be more preventative about it coming back. So I'm really big into squatting and deadlifting. So I really just love like lower body, kind of like more of the compound movements. And for me, pain for me, it was actually kind of my hamstring. And for a while I thought it was that it was due to weak hamstrings. So I tried to treat it, do some more focused items for hamstrings. And then upon like further research, I started licking into it. And it seemed like it was a little bit more towards my hip adductor, almost like the Grisselis muscle, like towards like the inner of my groin. So I did a little bit more research on that, found a few videos online to try to strengthen that. So I started doing some like wide strength squats, trying to see if that might have been it. And what I found was when I was actually on the hip adductor machine, I was really weak and super unstable. So it was almost like really like weight was really almost like nearly embarrassing. Like I would start shaking and it was just not a good scene. So my question for you guys is, just from your experiences, does that sound like that's kind of like the issue at hand? And I know that might be a tough question to answer. And if so, right, what would you guys recommend in terms of building up that strength, potentially going through like treatment and recovery and trying to prevent that down the line too? Well, Jose, you're in luck. Justin is a crotch expert. So he's gonna be able to help you out here. Actually map symmetry, I think it'd be phenomenal for you. Yeah, there's really two ways to approach stuff like this. Jose, one is I got to find the muscle involved. I have to find the specific area that's involved. And that can sometimes be a lot like you're a sleuth. Like you got to just like, it's a mystery and I got to figure it out. There's another way I'm looking for the function. Yeah, there's another way to do it, which is let me expose the weakness through movement and then let me get better at movements where I can tell that there's an imbalance or there's a weakness. I like that better because it really doesn't matter when you do it that way. And also it's often a combination of things, right? It's often not just one weak muscle, but often a movement pattern that becomes an issue. So Adam hit the nail on the head. Map symmetry with its unilateral work, because I'm going to assume that the injury keeps happening on the same side. Is that correct? Yeah, same side. Yeah, it's like my left side every single time. Usually it comes up like it slowly increases when I'm squatting so I can feel it like it's there. And then at some point it just comes back. This is why we wrote this program. Yeah, got to address that instability. This is why we wrote that program was literally for someone just like you, trying to troubleshoot that and how would we regress them back to get to the root cause of it? We'd run you through like a phase of isometrics and then go into unilateral work. And for sure during that process, it's going to expose the weakness. Yeah, and so here's a tip and we wrote this in the program. So you'll see this, but just to emphasize it, start with the side. When you do the unilateral work, start with the side that's weak and then let that dictate the weight and reps for the stronger side. So don't use the strong side. Say, okay, I copy that with my weak side. Use the weak side, whatever you do there, then do the strong side. Cause we got to balance things out. You said you love squatting, you love deadlifting, really heavy bilateral work. You probably developed some compensations and a bit of an imbalance that isn't so obvious until you hurt yourself. But when you go to unilateral stuff, it's going to become obvious. You're going to see when you do unilateral stuff on the left versus the right, then you're like, oh my gosh, this feels way different or I'm not as stable or I don't have as much mobility or whatever. And that'll correct itself as you continue to do the unilateral work. And then at the end of map symmetry is bilateral five by five work. Then you'll be able to see the fruits of your labor. You'll be able to see the results of training this way. And just addressing the hip function. I don't know if you've spent any time doing 90 90s internal external rotation of the hips and then increasing that internal tension. That's definitely going to be something on repeat, I would suggest in conjunction with going through the program. Yeah, so we'll send map symmetry over to if you don't already have it Jose. So I actually ended up getting it a few weeks ago when you guys were running the sale on it. But I'll definitely, I'll get it started though. I actually have that in maps prior to you. So just to your point, I've been going with your prime and I think I'm going to start integrating a little bit more into some of those sessions too. Well, if you're ever around, we'll give you a hug since we can give you a program. I'll tell you it sounds good. I'd love to lift with you guys. Thanks for everything you guys do. He gives great hugs. Thanks Jose. All right, thank you guys. You got it. I do want to say this to the listener. Doing unilateral focused training for, you know, four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, like that's all you do. I feel like it's important for everybody to do that. You'll see all kinds of stuff. You'll see all kinds of imbalances and differences and it tends to highlight and weaknesses and it allows you to strengthen movement patterns. So you don't necessarily need to isolate and find the root muscle or issue. Although that can be beneficial at times, but oftentimes it's just like, let's look at movement and then let's fix the movement and then that ends up fixing the issue. Our next caller is David from New Hampshire. David, what's happening man? How can we help you? Hey guys, I really appreciate you taking the time to let me get on here and ask my question. Just got to say off the bat, you guys have been a major part of my life for the past few weeks since my son's been born. He's sleeping right down here. So I'm gonna talk and hopefully he stays asleep but I've been working out in my garage for since he's been born and I listened to your podcasts as I'm doing that and I find your content so relatable and inspiring. When I first tried to get in touch with you guys, I emailed the wrong email address with someone named Ann, sent me some links that were useful for new parents and I got to say Sal, the thing you said about setting an example and being the man that you want your son to become, that just clicked with me like so powerfully. So that was great and I'm just really grateful to you guys for giving this opportunity. So yeah, those are my questions. New dad, I've been working out since I was 15 years old, just kind of basic bro splits and bodybuilding type stuff. So my son was born September 27th and on September 30th, I turned 33. So I'm just looking for a recommendation for a program to maintain muscle mass, maybe get leaner if possible but also taking into account the time constraints and the lack of sleep. So that's my first question and the second part is, what have you guys felt when you first have your child around? Cause I felt like an immense drop in my testosterone and I did send you guys that study to see what you think of it. Like, is there anything valid with that? And is it even worth trying to fight it? Yeah. We brought this up. Let's start with that. So there was studies that showed that new fathers had a drop in testosterone for a short period of time and the theory was that it's an evolutionary thing that it's preventing the man from trying to seek out new mates, right? To stick around, to be more parental. Now here's why I think that's bullshit. It's bullshit because low testosterone makes men irritable. It causes our moods to drop and we're less likely to be just good at whatever we're doing anyway. So what I think is happening is this. Let me ask you a question, David. How's your sleep been since your baby was born? I mean, at most three, maybe four hours at a time, so severely lacking and before I was at least eight hours and I know that has to do with T-levels. That's why the testosterone, that's why they see no new dads' testosterone levels drop. I think it's hilarious that they try to equate it to somehow low testosterone making men better fathers. It's not true at all. Low testosterone makes you feel like shit and makes everything much harder. Higher, good, healthy testosterone levels makes you feel good, confident and more likely to make you somebody that you wanna hang around with, okay? So what's happened is you're sleeping like shit and so because of that, testosterone levels tend to drop. The other thing is this and this is just, look, here's the deal. When you're a young man and you don't have kids, you're pretty invincible. And what I mean by that is your fears and whatever, but really nothing scares you. You know, nothing can mess with you and then all of a sudden you have this baby and you love them more than anything and now all of a sudden, holy shit, like I'm vulnerable. Like this baby is, my heart is living outside my body now and you feel all kinds of emotions. Like you're a young man, nothing bothers you. Then I remember when my first son was, I don't remember how old he was. He was like eight months, nine months old. We're sitting on the couch watching Finding Nemo and that's when the dad fish loses the, you know, the son fish and he's swimming after him and I find myself tearing up. Like what the hell is wrong with me? Why am I crying over this cartoon? Because I kind of understood like at that moment. So those feelings are all totally normal but let's go back to the exercise part. I wouldn't focus on building muscle or trying to get shredded right now with three, four hours of sleep in a newborn. Really what you wanna do is you wanna look at how can I work out in a way that'll help me live my life better, okay? So what it's probably gonna look like are short daily workouts that help your mental state, that help your mobility, that just help you kind of right now deal with the stresses of having your first kid. I think MAPS 15 is perfect. I think MAPS 15 is absolutely perfect for you. 15 minute workout a day and then focus on trying to get sleep when you can, focus on trying to eat healthy and you just kind of, you know, you gotta roll with the punches for a little while until it's like after that first year then things start to settle back down. You were literally one of the main avatars that we were thinking about when we created that program. And this is how I've been training for the last three months. So, and it's mainly because my focus is elsewhere right now. And I'm not really trying to build a ton of muscle, build a ton of strength. I'm just trying to maintain, I've worked really hard to build muscle over my two decades of training. It's really just to maintain, be a better father, be better at running my company, be better at my partners, be better friends, be a better son, like that's kind of where my mind is at right now in my life. And so I wanna do as minimal possible in the gym to maintain a healthy physique. And that's where this program came from. So it's like literally perfect for you. Yeah, I think that'll be a good one for you. And you can do it at home. And you know, you find 15 minutes, do a few exercises and just keep yourself healthy and feeling good while you're going through this, you know, especially the first three months. The first three months is like a blur. I mean, it's totally like, yeah. Well, it depends on the kid. The first three months is the worst. Then the next three months are hard too. And it gets a little easier. And it's usually after a year. So you got some time, bro. One year mark, bro. One year is the mark. That's what I think. You got some time, go. All right, and you've found, because I guess that's a more realistic goal if I'm gonna be real with myself, is a goal would be to not lose whatever progress I have made over the years. And you've found that just with those 15 minutes of today, you're able to at least maintain that baseline. There's a lot of factors at play here, right? Diet, sleep, stress. But all things being equal, there's actually pretty good studies on this. And they show that something like one ninth the volume that it took you to build your physique is what's required to keep it. So it's not a law is required to maintain strength and muscle. Now you'll lose stamina. You'll lose your work capacity. You know, in other words, if you go down to one ninth of volume, you might not lose strength and muscle. But if you bump it back up, you'll get sore again. You won't have the same endurance and stamina. But as far as strength and muscle is concerned, it sticks around with a pretty low amount of volume. And the longer you've had that muscle, the easier it is to kind of keep. Like I find now that it's really easy for me to maintain a certain amount of muscle on my body versus when I was younger. Oh, it is way harder to get it than it is to maintain it. It's much easier to maintain it after you've been trained that long. And so, and the things that'll balance out, like you already hit it on the head with your sleep, like my workouts now are to optimize the other aspects of my life. That's the way I look at my workouts. I'm not like, and I've been in the place where like I'm training to get a physique, to get strong, to do certain things, where now it's like I lift to be a better version of all those things that I said before. That's the main reason why. And if that's the case, and I'm doing it on minimal or limited sleep because I'm a new father, then I don't want to like crush myself inside the gym. That's not gonna serve me. I was just gonna make me more exhausted, more tired. It's gonna kick up the cravings then, and that's just gonna make my ability to balance my nutrition and exercise and being a father even more difficult. You know, it's really cool. David, this is kind of fun. Well, your baby's kind of young still, but you get one of those little bouncers. I know Bjorn makes a really good one for young, young babies, and you put him in there and then you do the exercises while he kind of sits there and watches. And I don't know how much they absorb, you know, five months, six months. But I found that real cool, like, you know, that my little kid gets to see me working out and then it kind of becomes a part of their life and it kind of normalizes. And I don't know, I feel like a superhero when I get to do that, so you may try that. Yeah, and then subliminally, when they're older, they're like, I don't know why, but I really want to lift weight. That's what I'm trying. I mean, that's what I'm trying. I know Adam does that with basketball. He's always doing basketball stuff around his kid. It hasn't worked yet, right? It might. He has some of those little dumbbell rattlers. I'm not giving up though. You're not giving up yet. Yeah, so we'll send you Mass 15, okay? That's so kind of you guys. I'm so thankful to you and just really appreciate everything you're doing again. So thank you so much, you guys. Really appreciate it. Congratulations, man. Yeah, thanks, David. Thanks, guys. You know, I swear to God, I feel like they're purposely, here's put on your whatever hat you want to put on. I swear to God, I feel like they're purposely trying to prevent men from just having kids. Lower your testosterone. It's not, it's fun. It sucks. You're not going to do this. It's like, come on. Everybody calm down. If you don't get no sleep, you lower your testosterone. It has nothing to do with being in a cab. You can't do it in Vegas anymore. Yeah, it's a noise of shit. He's actually in a great, I mean, great position. You guys been training for, what do you say, like 10 years plus or whatever like that. He's been training for, he's at 12 to 15% body fat, 185. I mean, this is the time, this is the time you scale back. Plus at some point, you'll be able to get back to it, you know? It's just right now, this is the period of time when you're not able to go after it. It's just the way it is. Just how it is. Look, if you like our show, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam and you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. This one's really important and that is to phase your training. If somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press and they're always aiming for five reps, if you compared that person to a person who did a bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and then three or four weeks of let's say 15 to 20 reps and then they'll throw in some supersets. At the end of that year, you're gonna see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out and less injury. That's another thing. You'll see less injury as well.