 Good evening. I'd like to call the Monday, December 4th, 2023 Barone Slug Board meeting to order. With us tonight to my left is Flo Smith, Jo Stav, to my right is Tor Nelson, and Karla Newiesel. I'm Brad Town, and additions or changes to the agenda tour. I don't know. Public comment. Hearing none, moving on to Geary, Geary. Geary, Montpelier, Inc. tax stabilization agreement application in project briefing. So I'd like to first introduce Geary Hotels. We are a brain tree mass, which is about 10 miles south of Austin. Geary has about 50 hotels just under. We are focused entirely in New England. We own the comfort suites here. We're working on a project. We're acquiring a couple hotels in White River, and we're also working on an reconstruction in Burlington in terms of Vermont. We're also looking at something in Rutland, but we're throughout New England. We have 15 different brands, so we're not brand royal. We're brand diverse. We're privately held. There are four partners, of which I'm Corporatell is a partner, and we're long-term holders. We're not flippers. We like to come into a market and either acquire or build and stay there for a long time. My background, I spent 30 plus years working for a small hotel company called Hilton. You may have heard of us. I did development for Hilton in my tenure with them. Well over 400 projects. When pandemic came, Hilton did some scaling down, cut 25% of the workforce, and volunteered me. I had done some hotel projects with Ankur and his partner Ash, some Hampton Inns, some home chews, and they called and said they thought they could use somebody with my skills, and so I've been working with them about a year and a half helping them on their new development projects. We own the comfort switch, which we acquired, and we looked at the opportunity of this being an underserved market. I know the market fairly well. I actually did the capital plaza when it transitioned to a tapestry. That was one of my projects. The market needs more hotel rooms, and I'm sure you'd rather see them in the town of Berlin than in Montpelier because it's better for your tax base. We looked at our comfort suites and we said we have this parcel out front and it makes sense to put a second hotel there. We have had conversations with Hilton to build our home two suites, which is an extended stay product. It's Hilton's most popular product today. There's one that just opened in Burlington if you wanted to see a live-in person. The developer's up there. It's been opened for about two years and it's done extremely well. They're building a second hotel next to it because they said we've done so well we should put a second hotel in the market. Where is that located? It's located in South Burlington. It's where the Starbucks is. I'm just curious if it was in downtown or if it was in South Burlington. It's in Williston behind the new LL Bean. The lines right there. It's right at that line. We know that product works well. It's done extremely well up there. As I said, Hilton's most popular products and we think it fits well into this market. It gives a guess a little bit more space in the room. It's a really efficient product in terms of design and it does not have a restaurant or a bar. Most municipalities like it. We've had some conversations with Applebee's to try and increase the traffic pedestrian traffic between the two and so we've applied for the tax stabilization agreement which I believe now needs to be approved by this board but we did start that process and John's going to speak a little bit more about the details of the project unless you guys have any questions for me. Not at this time. Thank you. You did receive approval for the economic development committee for your tax stabilization request. Yes. Hello my name is John Grenier. Pleasure to be here tonight. The land that they would like to develop they already own. It is the parking lot in front of the current Comfort Inn and next to the Applebee's which is very functional. It gives up great space for their customers, people that are using Applebee's but it doesn't really provide a streetscape that you all are looking for in the town of Berlin with your new zoning. Something more walkable, something that like looks a little bit nicer from the front and moving the parking to rear of building seems to be the way people are going now. It's just a lot better looking product. So what we need to do to do that is acquire some land from the town of Berlin which sits directly behind the existing Comfort Inn. It's part of your town thought this parcel actually. It's part of the town highway garage land. The map that it's in front of you that has an orange rectangle around it is about the 1.5 inches we're looking at. It's currently partially wooded and the rest is kind of a turnaround for the highway vehicles and there's a I believe sand storage pile there. If you look at it it looks like there's plenty of room to relocate that sand storage pile to either closer to the building or farther to the west. So acquiring this land wouldn't really disrupt the town's use of the highway garage, the highway infrastructure and the storage facilities you have. The land in front of the Comfort Inn that we would be building the hotel on is 1.2 acres and the reason we're asking for a little bit larger space behind the Comfort Inn is because with new construction of impervious surfaces you need stormwater treatment. There is some stormwater treatment around the existing Comfort Inn but the parking lot isn't really treated. It just goes directly into the municipal infrastructure and then discharges into bodies of water downstream. So we would be basically taking that parking lot, putting it behind the Comfort Inn where it's still accessible for not only the Comfort Inn but a new hotel and then we're building a new building right along Payne Turnpike. The building would have a beautiful streetscape. We've included some possibilities of what this hotel would look like. They're there in the center of the island. Obviously if the project goes forward we would be presenting to the Development Review Board the exact color, height, width, landscaping and all such but we want to give you folks a couple of ideas of what these buildings do look like. We would be putting street trees in front of the building and you sidewalk in front of the building and basically creating a streetscape that doesn't currently exist. We think it's a really good tie-in with a restaurant. It's already existing restaurant next door as Karen said. This product does not have its own restaurant in the bar so you're not really competing with the guy who's been working really hard on his own restaurant. Yeah currently they're looking at somewhere in those things around 100 rooms. It would have a majority of the parking it needed around the building so it's not that you have to park in the far back parking lot to use either hotel. They're still parking around the building. It's with overflow, large trucks or if you have an event in town where every single room is full, some people will be parking in that great parking lot. So actually you know Tom brought this idea to us as we were talking about reconfiguring some parking at the Comfort Inn and it made a lot of sense and so we've been drawn into this conversation with you folks and we want to present a really good project and like I said they applied for tax stabilization it was approved and we hope that you would approve it as well and if there's any questions about what we're thinking or why the layout is what it is I'm happy to try to answer any. I guess my first question is access you know this proposed rear parking lot where would the access to that be from? If you look at the the site plan that I provided I think you've been printed out we would create kind of a new boulevard that would access both hotels you'd be driving basically down the south edge of the property right next to that large storm water pond it's there so you would pull in that large boulevard nice street trees lighting just kind of make a nice entrance you'd pull into the first home two suites hotel have access to that whole property or you would keep going and pull into the Comfort Inn and stay there. If you were going to park in the rear of the building you would drive right by the southern end of the Comfort Inn and access a large parking lot behind the Comfort Inn. There's a talk about trying to provide access from the back of the building who would do some renovation at the Comfort Suites so that you could come in from the back side. At one point there was talk of adding rooms to the back of the Comfort Inn kind of where the 90-degree turn is making it kind of more I guess like a T instead of a L. Yeah I'll just speak to that quickly. That's sort of you know when we acquired the property on Coup de Patel Cury Hotels but when we acquired the property you know we were kind of thinking about doing an expansion after you know the after working with the town on the tax stabilization and talking to Tom and then yourself as well. There's a new opportunity for the hotel sort of presented itself so we would like to do the extension for the Comfort Inn potentially at the rear of the property instead of the front as proposed but that's still I think we would try to look at the whole project with the hotel and the expansion and develop both pieces over time. So you're still considering it may be a stage two or yeah maybe a phased approach but you know now the immediate attention would be on the new hotel and then but as we you know if we if we can have an agreement to purchase the land then we would look at kind of having a phase two approach on the expansion there as well. So in all it would be roughly I think we last we looked at it it would be in the neighborhood of about 100 and 135 rooms so 35 room expansion for the Comfort Inn and about 100 rooms. What's the typical clientele what's the average stay in the longer stay? So I happened to be at Hilton when they developed the product and the original intention was to be five plus nights for 60% of the business that's not what's happened to this become a very transient hotel people like it it's it's a modern feel um I'd say the average I'm guessing but I'd say it's probably 1.6 1.7 is the average round of stay but it's an oversized guest room and so it attracts people just like the extra space in the room it's it's everybody's trying to copy that as other hotel companies you know marriage got a product going at you know because home two has become a dominant force but it's you know the room's kind of divided into three parts the sleeping space the living space and then the bed and there's like they're down up kitchens but they have um you know not hot plates uh well countertop well they're hot plates induction induction so that people can heat up soon for you know something like that but they're not really cooking in the rooms you don't control that we don't but it's an induction not yeah our company um so we've developed uh we've developed a couple of these we have another three we have one going into construction we have another three in in uh in permitting actually so we're pretty comfortable with uh you know with the product uh we just opened up one in Bangor me um so um like like Karen said we're seeing in our in our business anyways that there is like um you know short term uh short more on the short term side and certainly there are some people who stay like you know five nights whether it may be for construction yeah or something like that that's really what it's used for um but yeah that's what we see too is just uh more about more about two night time stay um I'm seeking from my experience with my family we use it all we use home choose a lot because um it's just easier to um you know you get the counter space to make like mac and cheese and stuff like that where it is and I have a 27 year old who loves it because it's modern and it's you know the colors you know that younger generation really likes it does rel with like visiting nurses and that kind of stuff that people just want more space and great wise it's positioned it was supposed to be below Hampton in but it's actually performing above Hampton so they have applied for the tax stabilization information is in your packet um by your agreement the economic development council looked at this back and I think it was October wasn't it and approved it um how many stories yeah it's anyone the footprint and parking spaces and room count like they look at the pictures there's a variety there's everywhere from three to five stories it's kind of the average for the size area that's not that sounds right it what really drives the development is the number of rooms and so being 100 being where most of the time we see we see the uh the value being built so we need to be about 100 rooms whether it comes through four or five stories it just depends on working with the civil engineers and figuring out how to figure out traffic flow and meeting the height requirements of the building obviously yeah that'll be your tallest building in Berlin you have four stories I wouldn't say five stories I would just think it would be taller than a hospital it's it would be comparable to the tallest part of the hospital or lower so you have to meet zoning so whatever yeah so the site's also low you know if you look at where it is today versus the comfort the comfort is significantly higher it's you know it's only three stories it's gonna because it's it's high up the topography of the site does allow us to kind of hold bury the back part of the building into things so I think it could look nice with paint turned by glow kind of step up to the first building step up to the next building kind of follow your way up versus just building next to building next building on the same flat trajectory that's what we're trying to do so the requirements of the textilization is that the amount invested should be at least 25 percent of the assessed value or fair market value which we feel that this would meet the amount invested should be at least 200,000 which of course it would be of course be fully compliant with all zoning building codes plumbing codes everything like that the applicant has access to the capital necessary to complete the project as presented sure that it does okay the project is consistent with the town plan and the economic development plan Tom and Karla I'll refer to you on that the applicant is some good standing with the Vermont department tax department and IRS yes so I'm going to Karla and Jill this the textilization is new to you Brad and Flo you've been through before on the board motion on the tax civilization at all second any further discussion out of curiosity how important to this project is the parking lot on the town plan I don't think we would need zoning yeah it's pretty it can't happen without it okay do we when the town did the town purchase this land or was it gifted that I'd have to that would be important to know because if it's been donated there may be restrictions on it correct need to take them like that not that I'm opposed to the project right just to be absolutely certain yeah any other discussion on this so would we have to determine the town property prior to this so the project doesn't happen then the tax stabilization doesn't happen any other discussion all those in favor all right all right motion carries thank you for the thorough presentation I appreciate it I appreciate the tax stabilization question beyond the donation do you have any other questions that haven't been answered here or any that popped up tonight we're going I just thought that was no it's a good point yeah it's a very good very good yeah I was just sad I just saw the drawings today that the parking lot had some surface um storm water yeah treatment I would suggest that John would be doing analysis if you could look at maybe putting this under the parking lot that's made lower the amount of acres that you require so yeah that's a complete that's totally driven by the soil site design so we okay it's probably just kind of balance the space that's needed on the surface with underground storage as well um I'll have we'll if we get that far we will be digging test bits soil warings and all that stuff determine what is the best stormwater treatment and what the state of Vermont will allow you know if they'll ultimately pass the project through stormwater regulations and I have to meet those so that will drive the design but all options are on the table yeah uh Matt you have something to say yes sir thank you uh Mr. Chair um best case scenario when does this open I think it's hard to predict yeah it's really hard so there's assuming I'm trying to think here so anywhere one all right assuming we have permitting in June June then you do act 250 which is six maybe six months there yeah I would say that as soon as the ownership group felt comfortable spending money on the design and the permitting and stuff it would be a year yeah so the town of Berlin and the ownership group decides that yes you know we have a new purchase and sale agreement for this land contingent on permitting etc that that day that we start that it's a year it's a year for permitting permitting year to construct 18 months usually we budget okay considering site work and stuff like that so two-ish years from today do you get that Matt okay thumbs up give us a thumbs up any other questions from these folks oh sounds good exciting I think I've seen one of these home twos off of I-90 and suburban buffalo look very nice I did that one too okay it's an amherst okay it's all buffalo to me but it's done very well it's a great product congratulations I don't work for them anymore but I'm very familiar with it we appreciate you all thank you thank you if I could ask a mr. grini or any update on Richardson Road yeah we're working with the contact to get an updated price on the actual cost of the culvert okay and I'm working on making sure that it still fits in as originally designed so I think I'll have something to you in like a couple months all right cool all right very nice so in terms of next steps you guys will research to figure out if the land was donated if there's any restrictions great and then the next step would be to start talking about what the value would be great thank you enjoy your evening yeah thanks Tom have a good evening good night thank you guys we don't think you need them you don't need one okay uh police department copier maintenance contract so um your federal government and the Vermont Department of Public Safety have security data protocols that need to be followed by local government and they do audits on government entities including the police department to to verify complaints with those requirements so they're in the middle of a audit with the police department right now and identified a couple of areas of concern that they have uh the first is the contracts need to have basically security addendums in place you know which is just additions to the contracts and they agree to follow all of these requirements and regulations and everything like that uh the second is that the technicians need to have background checks and take security awareness training and testing to be allowed underscorted access to the police department their systems and devices including the copier this is in place for for everybody our you know our cleaning people need to have these background checks our network people need to have these background checks and stuff are v-tech they need to go through this area we didn't think about was the photocopiers because they're you know they've got you know they're basically a computer than you know themselves nowadays um so uh our current contractor which is uh visual edge it they have bought out osv office systems of vermont have been approached about these two requirements and have uh been less than uh welcoming and getting these items in place um both as far as the contract addendums and having the technicians take this training there has been some movement that they are now looking at the uh addendums and possibly identified one technician to take the training but it is not in place yet either of those items are in place yet it's it's something we're getting pressed on by the state and we need to ask for waivers and so forth from state to to you know allow this to happen um but after several months you know we still don't have these things in place which the you know this awareness training is it's relatively simple and straightforward it's common sense if you see your buddy's name on a wanted poster in the hall well you don't go broadcast it too long or anything like that i mean it's common sense stuff but they're refused to take they've taken the background check um but they're not taking you know the soy testing they're wasting more time than if they would have just taken it and gotten done with already so i'm looking as a time administrator for authorization to cancel the contract if they do not in reasonable time get these items completed in the contract how much notice do they need i believe it's 60 days even if there's a like a for cause kind of thing right but we'll know what about that when we get to it and also they they by the way they were all invited both locally and national as well as the actual owner of the kind of the copier delage none of them have bothered to show up tonight have you been able to locate a vendor that will meet the requirements not yet but i've got several in my that i'm checking out how often do they show do they come here regularly the copier people yeah no it's it's very rare but you know they do remote access right well that's that's okay yeah that's kind of so they're always here or can always be right this technology is scary i mean the unescorted access that point is not really an issue i mean if we need to if we need to babysit them we can we can do that we can charge them 150 an hour you know just like we charge the you know sitting on on the interstate for uh for the paving projects you know we can we can bill them for contract work just like that but it's it's the remote access and stuff which is one of the biggest concerns how far into the current contract are we eight months is it new or were they it's very new so who was doing it before well it's still the same company it's just a new new new copier that's just installed when is this when is this contract run out five years five years 2028 is there any fees associated with the cancellation no well i would say take and find a new copier group and get a bid from them or two or three bids if you can find them and i hate taking not have a replacement if i want to take the rights of this contract does the state recommend who i mean i'm just wondering who the state i've got i've got the list from the state of their contractors and we'll take a look at that thank you to her okay anything else on this uh no okay uh f y 25 i guess i guess bus case scenario they take the training and yeah sending the stuff in it can be done within 24 hours or 36 hours i mean it's not a huge lift here but they've been hesitant in doing it so far it's concerning that they're not willing to be cooperating right so this is not just a state requirement this is also a federal requirement correct and through the fbi n c i c and so if they're not meeting i think in the contract if they're not meeting these requirements we still have to give them 60 days yeah because looking at i mean i you know i i haven't sent the contract to the attorney yet but um i don't really see anything in there where we stipulated you need to follow these procedures and protocols and stuff which is probably a weakness when we because we're not going to wait 60 days before we i guess have a new contract with a new vendor sitting on the table right right no and if i would almost say if they're going to be pushing the envelope here i think regardless in 60 days that i would send them send them walking and just have i'm not waiting 60 and have a different vendor already over right you're just on me we can't get out of it until for another 60 days 60 days and yeah you know you know this time next week if we have another vendor in place well i've got some other ideas in mind yeah to restrict access and stuff anything else on this f y 25 budget discussion police department so you have several documents in your packet the main one we'll be looking at is the uh spreadsheet the far right column is the proposed or this obviously proposed but the draft f y 25 budget police full-time wages night shift wages clerical those are all based on the union contract uh part time the chief is not requesting a increase over time we are looking we're looking at a small increase over the current year but more in line with the overhead in previous years on call we're looking at level funding education looking at level funding longevity looking at level funding workers comp we're looking at an increase based on the projected rates health insurance again looking at a decrease based on the projected rates of course with the increase in wages the uh fika goes up a proportionate amount uh disability insurance not looking for an increase there uh life insurance looking at small increase there uh the buyback health insurance buyback not looking at any increase same with the uh gym memberships uh pension looking at a small increase that's based on your uh wages as well uh the insurance is taking quite a bit of an increase just looking at those numbers today from from the league um including the liability and the automobile uh insurance and that's uh and you just see as we in the future weeks as we get further into the budget uh that's increased in all areas as well why is it just an increase on that you know I don't know I haven't don't do the insurance yeah I think everything's just going up I'm looking at a 14 percent increase with my out that's insurance that's a 50 percent increase close to it yeah supplies increase there uniforms looking at the same amount guns and ammo uh looking at an increase there now uh one of the things that chief is requesting so basically there they do the firearms qualification once a year which is the bare minimum that's allowed but in reality that's not enough so he's looking for to increase that frequency and and do more things like nighttime training and things like that more scenario base shootings and things like that so that's the increase there cameras and computers looking for an increase there and that is really to start building a reserve uh for you know when we do replace the computers we're not just pulling out of one year we're funding a little bit each year um cop your lease I did increase it a little bit in case we do have to go somebody else um equipment looking at level funded uh uniform allowance looking at level funded administrative expensive the media uh the vibrance database looking at level funded uh media and data is increasing uh the other three advertising training and telephone are the same the next page um legal is the same uh maintenance we're increasing a little bit just because everything you know the general rate of inflation same with uh gas and oil you know that's all over the place uh special investigative unit that is the um our house uh when you invite response and bury that remains the same uh same with the community fund and other equipment and then on the last page is um the capital budgeting section of the budget uh the chief is requesting a new cruiser um next year uh and I said it is requested in the uh in the packet 56 thousand dollars uh for that um we do have money set aside in ARPA for that uh so I recommend we use that and then also um another six thousand dollars to be reserved for body cameras for here can we just purchase them in uh in June and instead of purchasing the whole amount in one year start reserving amounts each year uh for that replacement so they get they get it done for the year they generally replace one vehicle no i'm talking about the body camera oh no uh three to five okay i was gonna say three to four anyway yeah and on the vehicle tour you said 56 thousand but this is 52 to 54 is it still the 52 to 54 range for the replacement of the I would I would um I bumped it up a little bit just because everything else is getting more expensive and wasn't easy finding this last vehicle that we bought if we had to buy it out of Massachusetts actually so so then when you get into light you get into radio install and all that that might just make it so the bad news is uh looking at everything we're looking at 1.58 million dollars for the police budget versus a 1.45 budget I've not done the math to see what percent of an increase that is and my my eyes are turning some to the actuals you know what we have in existence for actuals compared to um keep in mind with the actual some of those are distorted because of the new police contract there was a lot of back back pay or whatever you call it charged in there yeah okay yeah thank you that's good they do have down that the body camera replacement is time six within the next year I didn't know I didn't know when they'd gotten them I was thinking you said they just got them so I thought I'd be getting anything else on this tour no sir okay chatter cane discussion outreach decision local options tax so copy of the uh current charter is in um your packet we've been talking for several meetings about the local options tax and I think we are all in agreement in pursuing that in March you in person on sales meals and rooms and alcohol uh but looking at some other provisions in here on the top of the second page it's under section 32 powers of the town under paragraph D and kind of timely with um tonight's prior discussion currently we in in our charter to for the town to sell land we need to take it to a town meeting vote that is above and beyond what is required by state statutes and um my recommendation is we take that out and just put it in um the same process that is for state statute that would fall you know the 30th fall to the select board and based on petition you know the the self petition for its own vote but not automatically go to it uh the second is on page three of six under appointed town officers time administrator and assistant time administrator mentioned before it might be time to start thinking about a town manager versus time administrator and the last area under page five under government governance uh 91 section C the solemn exclusive body to make decisions relating to statewide or national interest is by the voters at a town meeting I think take that off I think or anything's going we you know we need select board needs to have the ability to weigh in on these types of issues for other town meetings and I know this has come up in the past and we've not been able to take action um to the extent we would like to have so I'm not looking for a decision about just what's the process um so we basically have to warn it hold two public hearings and then the vote and then from there it goes to the legislature for approval so is there time to do that this year it uh there is still time to get it done before um March yeah um biggest question I have is you know if you know whatever provisions get approved um you know it's going to be the middle of March by the time it gets to the legislature are are they going to in my opinion most of these are non-controversial so um I wouldn't think it'd be a huge lift but if there's a lot that comes through the government operations committee you know are they just going to have the time to look at this by annual or is it going to have to get pushed back to next year so would we put a proposal in pending I'm just thinking from the legislative process would be put something in pending the vote because usually they have to things have to be in it would go into charter supports usually they have to have it in a certain time before they're where they can take a look at it and I'm not sure usually because you know they have the crossover where all the right so does that apply to this I'm wondering I don't believe it does but it's it's very close to the crossover day I think I think it was right after is it right after but there's a lot that has to be done and like so most of these are not going to be controversial or you know local options tax they've been through so many times the town manager is a choice there town manager it's a town that's you know that's pretty much straight you know forward nowadays the property sale like so that puts us in in the same as state statute so I wouldn't anticipate a major there but it's just a matter of how many bills they have on their wall yeah you know how soon they can get to it if not we you know we would well it's interesting because I was looking at the debate about the town because there was an article about the debate in heinsberg about town manager versus I remember looking at it back when they were debating it and there's a good article online about you know sort of the differences and a lot of it has to do with you know the authority the select board gives to the town administrator but it does talk about less less you know from a legal perspective legal ability perspective that's usually town managers tend to you know tend to be better and creating less liability for the town and you know the select board still has ultimate authority it's just that the town you know the town manager can act more freely but anyway I think it's a good idea it did say that 75 percent of towns over 2500 population have town managers I think I saw that yeah so I think it's a it's a good time based on the things that are happening in town I don't know if the difference in salary is so I don't want to I don't want to speak but in my looking at it I don't think it would be that much and I will not fulfill that role I will say that right now I'm not trying to get myself a promotion here but I don't know about you Carla I don't know what your schedule is looking like for the next 20 years okay anything else on this if not approval of licenses of permanent vouchers and applications I'd make the motion to approve payable warrant 24g13 with check number 23554 it's a 23582 in the amount of a hundred and fifteen thousand three hundred and fifty seven dollars payroll warrant 24-13 for payroll from November 14th to December 2nd 2023 paid on December 6th 2023 in the amount of 66,476 dollars and 30 cents second by the discussion hearing none those in favor no opposed motion carries so there's a couple sets in here first is from November 13th which was a special meeting I make the motion to approve the Monday November 13th minutes with just a couple of changes on the line that is Nelson moved to ex-executive session just adding motion carried it had carrier and then just punctuation and I'll just pass that to tour so those can be made the second what's your second not yet suck you second anything else all those in favor all right motion carries uh there's a set of the November 20th minutes which was a regular meeting I make the motion to approve the Thursday November 30th 2023 minutes no November Monday November 20th I have a Monday November 20th but yeah they're just written differently so okay no I wasn't there and we had a meeting on the 30th as well yeah before the abatement oh that's why we looked at your funding and showed up for abatement I make the motion to approve the minutes of Monday November 20th 2023 as presented to us this evening second any discussion hearing none those in favor all right I wasn't I wasn't there but as written I can approve it sure we'll get motion carried and lastly we do have a set for Thursday November 30th which was a special meeting and I'll go ahead and move the Thursday November 30th 2023 minutes with just one change and that's just bringing the PM PM up on the same line as the time that is some weird work thanks you notice um I couldn't get that taken out it was it was on there like another set to it it um not that but something there's some formatting thing I can't figure it out um sometimes if you're really under the under the uh like under right here did the same thing sure sure sometimes if you get your cursor right at the beginning and then you just back space it up and then do your return again it will fix it I don't know worth a try but if you can't you can't and I will second that thank you any other discussion all those in favor all right all right and carries well table Joe I'm good well I'm good as well thank you sure uh putting your packet uh Friday to December 15th at 10 a.m. is the Washington County preliminary budget planning meeting at the Kellogg Hubbard Library and what do they do there I have for the account for the county court know what you think the budget for the county court oh not for so it doesn't have to do with our budget in well it does some degree because we have to pay into it uh fund them oh and I think that also is the Washington County Sheriff's Department in there too I may go just because I don't know anything about the budgeting part so very interesting process yeah okay for me too what is that county commission okay uh we do have a vacancy on the planning commission but uh I will put out a vacancy announcement solicit interest in that position and then if I've not depressed you all enough already um I've included in your packets a very busy spreadsheet just a lot of things we've got coming up in the next five or ten years you know I've been I've been harping on capital budgeting uh for the past several months and starting to take a look ahead at what's coming up these are some of the things and uh I need a lot of money yeah it's very beneficial to have it right in front of us that's really nice of you to put this together for and I think you did yeah I think you're right for it that's one of my big things is that we really need to start in capital budgeting where we would paint your bike north what are we waiting on there I'm still waiting on our report study from the state they should be getting us grant paperwork in the next couple weeks I talked to the the engineer last week that might help with their new hotel access just say it's fixed within the next two years let's hope let's hope at least it's not as bad as uh uh they sure yeah when I had to drive around that every day I was really irritated Carla no I think okay is there an executive session sure why not um for assistant treasurer hiring I moved that we enter excuse me into executive session and for personnel and across the one VSA three one three eight three do we expect to have a vote to come out no we do not okay we are an executive session