 Welcome back to the breakfast and plus TV Africa. We're heading straight to a second conversation and this morning is a security consent or consent. Following the height of killings for ritual purposes across the 36 states of the Federation including the federal capital territory the House of Representatives has declared them this issue as a national emergency on the increasing spate of ritual killings in the country. Now the motion was actually moved and the House of Representatives have asked the Inspector General please to bring to book all those involved in the act and mandate the Nigerian firm and video sensor abroad to increase monitoring of videos produced with a ritual killings content and ensure implementation as well. Now this has been a lot of talk. They've also charged you know the executive arm of government I mean the federal government as well to also make some declaration treaties as a national emergency and this morning we have a guest joining us Yahoze Getzo who's a security expert. It's good to have you join us this morning Yelza Getzo. All right so but let's get to this. What does this mean? Does this mean that we're going to be asking for new laws to be created because if you look at the criminal code section 300 to 329 you find that this provision of the law makes caters for the preservation of life and so what does this really mean now? Well I think it is a very very clear that you know in Nigeria we have a lot of duplication of laws. I think if at all the government is serious, if the administration and the national assembly are serious what they're supposed to do is to start dealing with the situation decisively according to the what we have as a law so that it will serve as a deterrence for others not to be part of what is happening. So it is sincerely making a commitment because for the issue to be tabled before the national assembly it means that there is some level of permission from the legislative of government that they are ready to come up with a strategy to bring an end to the situation but nevertheless I don't see I don't see any reason for duplication or for bringing another law. Why can't we utilize the law that we have in order to bring those who are found wanting to face the wrath of the law so it is a lesson until we are ready to do that that is how we can be able to improve the circumstance and then reduce the number of ritual killings across the all part of the country. You find initially it was a traditionally traditionally motivated but it is now religiously motivated. Religiously in the sense there are some of the so-called Islamic scholars or so-called Christian scholars who are who are hiding at the at the back of the religion towards attaining their own goal for the probably as a result of those who were used to go to them for complaints of a certain thing it happens in all the locations in the in the Federation but yet we have not seen anybody that have been brought to face the wrath of the law so that that could serve as a deterrence for others to not to be party to do so. Okay Mr. Gatzu the national assembly is calling on the Nigerian film and video sensors board to increase the monitoring of videos produced a ritual content killing content and to show that such contents are deleted in line with its mandate. Is it down to this increase in in ritual killing in incidents of such nature is it down to what we see in the movies is that is that it? Well the call is timely but I think it did stop at what we see in the movie because now if they act as more of the monitoring strategy to be used using the CCTV you know non-Ajarian will have confidence and will accept that because ordinarily the crime the crimes being conducted in the major cities of the of the Federation that is if you took for example as a pilot Abuja Potapot Lagos and probably Kano or Aba or Odisha the gamma have not been able to mount strategic CCTVs or any monitoring tracking device that could have been used in monitoring even the ordinary crime that I've been conducted on the street. Most of the ritual killing doesn't happen on the street it happens either in most cases in the uncompleted buildings in the hideouts in the hotels mostly it happens in the inner places where you may not even have a kind of a systematic strategy that you can use the CCTV in tracking and monitoring but so I think I disagree with the National Assembly for calling for whatever authority either the essential censorship board or whatever to introduce that is just going to be a lot of the research. We have seen the number of CCTVs that have been mounted in Abuja but even I want to confirm to you that even some of the CCTVs in the in the presidential villa are not working so how do you expect government to have the resources and to have the sincerity and honesty and to have the sincerity in focus if at all they want to do something to it by extension of tracking the ritual killing I don't think that is possible but what is the best way to do is those who are found wanting by law by court of law to be to allow them to face the rest of the law so that could serve as a deterrence that should be the immediate and the best media to introduce for the first time before we both systematically and strategically for introducing either the CCTV or whatever device that technological device actually be used otherwise the hotels in the advanced communities where there is light and other things should be given a kind of encouragement for them to provide CCTVs that can track some of the suspicious activities of both ritual killers so that they can be fished out and then they can be tracked either through the rooms or through other movements. We have to go Mr. Getsubo very quickly are you confident that there is a political will to tackle this issue bearing in mind we've seen in recent years and I see this on account of what I've heard people say that we see a spike in ritual killings or suspected ritual killings during election period if you know what I mean and do you think that we have the political will to solve this problem? Well, like I mentioned, I don't think we have that. I'm really doubtful that if we can do that. Because most of the politicians are found at the forefront, politicians and some of the business they own, are found at the forefront and some of the youths that wanted to get a certain resources at a very short period of time that we see who we are, who guides others. So I don't think we have the political will. I am doubtful if at all we have the political and administrative will that we can achieve anything between now and the election period. Okay, we have to go. I want to thank you very much for your time. Getsubo is curious but he's been our guest on the second part of this discussion right here on the breakfast. Getsubo, thank you very much for your time. I mean, thank you viewers. It's a very, very worrying issue and he's like he said, he doesn't think we have the political will to tackle this because the politicians he said also may be a part of the problem. No, but you know, Kofi, just as we move away immediately, it's also important to understand why we're trying to classify these killings. I mean, mother is mother and the lords within. We made reference to the criminal code, the Nigerian criminal code and all of these laws. They are laws that cater for killings and so when we begin to try to classify all of these killings, then it means that we're trying to create more laws. But that's the much that we can take at this point in case you miss out on any part of the conversation. Do well to follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. 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