 Bro, how many times do we didn't see why do you prefer Rath over retail? Rath is just a better game like for me retail feels Way too scripted due to abilities outside of cool ends Not feeling like they do anything for both sides and so it almost feels like you're just Like whacking a guy. He's whacking you and you're both just waiting for your turn if no one's got their CDs Somebody pops their CDs and if you don't pop a defensive then you just die So it's a lot about just cool down matching and this is not that interesting for me It's way less adaptive and way less decision-making on the fly is required I feel like in a way this makes gameplay slower Because everything is pre-determined or should be unless they fuck up somehow on the go or you manage to fuck up the go This is like often not worth it because you commit position To try and do it and if you fail at it then you open yourself up to a way more potent go from them So it's like you get maybe you know a chance at saving a cool down If you try to do some outplay stop on the go versus just being safe and doing it and and you know not risking You to just randomly lose the game because you try to do an outplay like general individual outplay There's not really that much of a thing on retail as a result and that kind of sucks resists It definitely I think that makes wrath worse the spell resists fear is this that kind of thing sacred cleansing I agree completely that shit If if wrath plus was to be a thing then all resists should be fucking obliterated from the game It's not resists that make the game not scripted. It's the abilities Actually doing stuff outside of cool ends that make the gameplay non-scripted. There are definitely good things on retail Don't get me wrong. I don't think everything about retail is bad but I think overall the flow and Design of wrath is superior with the resists imagine if there was no resists how much superior wrath could be to retail but this is why Like it's so sad to be a retail player because retail is like within reach of being a decent game They just like don't have any fucking Interested in making it that every expansion it's like yeah They could just do these changes and it'd be a great game And then they just don't do them and not only don't they do them But there's like obvious bugs and issues the game that don't even get fixed for like months and months on end Every single fucking expansion you get issues with like PvE trinkets and whatnot just being super gross And it's just like there's there's a lot wrong with the retail There's a lot less wrong with wrath. Let's just put it that way like wrath is like 70% of the way there I reckon whereas retail is like fucking 40% 50% of the way there they CD based damages because of PvE They design bosses with burst windows and without strong CDs. They wouldn't work So this is why I was saying that they should have made at the end of original wrath They should have split off PvP into like a separate sort of game or whatever you want to call it a separate game mode I don't know and they should have had like full tournament support spectator client the fucking works fully invest in it because at that point PvP in where I was like At its peak in terms of viewership Participation everything those are fucked on a people PvPing at the end of wrath like a fuckton. They basically completely neglected it Throughout the whole of TVC. They pretty much neglected it and way more to be honest way more than the Retail is neglected now, but it was still neglected way more than it should have been So they basically they didn't split off wrath into a separate game, right and by a separate game I mean essentially it could have been at the very very least It could have been tournament server support because they had tournament servers, right? They ran that the blizzcon Regionals and whatnot ladders on tournament servers tournament servers were great because you could just go and buy all the PvE gear and you could still have your your like Different options in terms of gearing depending on comp that kind of thing So it still made it a relevant aspect of the game, but you didn't have to go and PvE for hours on end to obtain it when all you really wanted to do was queue up arena because let's be honest wrath arena is addictive as fuck They didn't do this at the end of wrath. They didn't fucking do it. They just again they completely neglected the game They were like now we're not really interested in PvP. Twitch was only just a thing And streaming was only just a thing. They had no foresight in terms of oh, yeah This is gonna be massive. They didn't really give a shit about eSports and they were like now We're just gonna keep doing we're gonna stay in our lane Activision took over and they were like right we need to just milk this fucking game for all it's worth so then cat came out and Let's be honest. It was a big pile of shite and they didn't do anything to support PvP and Twitch started growing like crazy and then Blizzard was like hey like how are we not getting any of this fucking any of this juice? You know any of this money people are playing our games. We're not getting anything out of it We didn't support it. What do and then they like they declined the fucking Guy that made Dota in Warcraft 3 they were like he was like yeah I want to make this into a separate game sort of thing They basically told him to fuck off so he made Dota with with valve and some other guys made Made Han and some other guys make League or whatever and then these games were fucking huge and Blizzard was like crap We need to make a mobile so they made their shitty mobile which is complete flop and dog shit Let's be honest just standard Blizzard With eSports in mind, right and then it was just they made a game that was supposed to try and be Like an eSports but they failed to recognize all of the things that made the original good made it giga casual friendly So it just completely flopped and then it was like crap Then they did overwatch and then overwatch is like even more designed as a game That's supposed to be an eSports But again, you don't design a game to be an eSports you make a good game and it becomes an eSports Right because people love the game and they want to play and they're competitive So they completely like did this the wrong way around and then they were like oh Yeah, you need to spend like fucking 10 mil or some shit to join our league to all these teams Which is just like question mark You're basically signing the death warrant of the game before even starts because you making sure that only big orcs can even fucking Start getting involved in it. So this was Dumb as fuck as well. So again, it's just like a sellout right for a quick buck. So yeah going back to the Wow thing then they were like, oh, yeah, we'll just keep milking. Wow They didn't fucking do the what I just said, which is embrace PvP make a separate PvP game Which is what they could have done to break away from the fact that PvE is absolutely shackling arena With all of its different mechanics and whatnot like you can't have both Like I completely agree that and it makes it over complicated trying to balance for both It's an absolute nightmare. So this would have been avoided right by sort of separating it off This is what they needed to do and they could have had full tournament support tournament realm We wouldn't be needed that much separating right just the way that you know retail and classic is almost separated right And yeah, then they just grow the the pvp scene from there They do like regular updates patches changes whatever slowly fix the game improve on the basis of what wrath was You know, eventually we would have seen all the resist crap out and you know Develop the game from there balance patches every other week whatever and then you essentially have this insane arena game and honestly I truly believe wow arena has the potential to be the best pvp game in existence Like it has that potential and yeah, okay, it's great right now and everyone's like, yeah, wrath arena is so fucking good Like imagine what it could be imagine how good it could be imagine all the automated tournament support that they could do Everyone just like fucking hyped earning money off the game Paying wow tokens to sign up to these tournaments everyone fucking Learning new meta like just it could have been insane even with all the fucking crypto shit that that is coming in now Right, they could have mowed that and that shit in some way as well Right, it's just perfect for it. Some say wow ain't new view of right So this is another problem right so and and yeah, I guess I was leading on to this So this is what I mean about breaking it onto a separate game Like the visuals in wow are really fucking bad if you don't understand the game Like it's really hard to see what the fuck is going on Right and I think to a degree Overwatch had this issue as well But like say you death are blind like you get blinded and your character goes like this Right and then you death it and your character does this You know it does this Okay, nice the guy killed my fucking rat There's no rats whatever You get my point right you let you use death It's the same like animation every time you get out of the blind good times It's this is so minor and unobvious to anyone right So imagine if you have a different animation for death in a blind like that's super fucking obvious and hype now The audience was like oh my god something fucking hype just happened. This guy just made some sick outplay This team is winning more now. Yeah as opposed to just your regular death Whoa, you know this is like if in a 3v3 match people aren't even gonna see that shit If you make that super obvious in in your pvp version of the game now along with other mechanics Whatever you just add a bunch in a bunch of key outplay moments and you make the visuals of them fucking hype Then this is making it more obvious to people that don't actually play the game at a high level Okay, this team has done a good thing there in the lead now But compared to right now if you don't know the game You're literally watching the health bars and then one guy got health bar goes low and you're like, oh shit The other team's winning. He's nearly dead. That's lit. That's that's literally the extent of them watching the game So this is like another thing right like spectator client can be vastly improved visuals can be vastly improved And this is you know, this is you're working towards making the game more Accessible to people that don't really play the game to a point where they can actually get excited about stuff That happens in the game other than somebody dying. I mean, it's too late at this point, right? Like, okay, nice. We have wow wow wrath classic and this is like a blessing But at this point, there's no there's it's done. It's over There's not enough people playing the game still for it to warrant them putting in any kind of infrastructure for pvp And trying to build on it. It's it's done people are playing other shit now Up and comers are not playing well anymore. They're playing shit like fortnight There's too much competition now and too many people have already jumped ship So it's not financially worth the time it would take for them to invest Look at just look at how many fucking devs not even just for pvp But just for for classic in general look at how many devs there actually are on that shit It's but I swear it's less than 10 the amount of fucking bugs that were Identified in the beta that are still in the game is fucking crazy Like the reason we haven't got cross realm arenas and bg's in the game is because They took it out in original classic They literally ripped it out of the game and it's hard to put it back in if they had more devs It would be in like they want to put it in it's taking time There's not enough devs on the game because It's not worth it financially to put more devs on the game with their current business model at least Where they're basically just trying to cut corners and save costs. Hell like it's it should be obvious enough the fact that they release Dragonflight now two months after wrath Is that they're like desperate as fuck to get their 2022 fucking cash Up like so there's no way they're gonna fucking have more devs on classic than they need. This is why Our best hope for wow arena is actually ironically not even wow. It's the fucking league mmo This is our best hope for an arena game to be to reach the potential that wow Always had and never reached. So yeah, that's My tldr on wrath versus retail