 Mae'n ddweud bod eich ffalu'r rhan i gyd yw ymwneud hynny, ond gallwn i'n gweithio'r gweithio. Mynd i'n ddefnyddio'r cymdeithasol gyda'r LLAC. Felly mae'n ddiddordeb, mae'n gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r rhan i gyd. Yn y ffalu, roeddwn i'n ddweud o'r cyfnod, gallwn i'n gweithio'r cyffredinol, mae'n ddweud o'r cyffredinol sy'n gweithio'r cyffredinol. Ion a panel with these four idiots. No, no, no. I guess he wanted a serious answer from you guys. So, how do you drive around the world? I'm going to get away in my mind. I've done the work. But of course the most is that it was for me that I was making this work. So because I'm an integrity and I learn from this easily, I pass up to my friend and I hate it. But when you got there, she obviously didn't recognise it was a different band, different person, different anything, and the other person, I would tell people at least what they were called, he was not lying. ddim erdoedd. Rhaid i'w casgrihidiaeth arlawn i'r eistedde o'r dishes. A rhaid i oeddeni ddyn nhw'n ei fod yn meddwl mewn modd... Mae'r mordio'r paralligaethau i gyn aixòch... ...lawn i'r puff. Rhaid i chi wedi dod i'r holl? Rhaid i chi oed yn meddwl. Rhaid i chi wedi gweld. Rhaid i chi wedi gweld i chi wedi gweld i chi wedi gweld i chi wedi gweld i'r pob. Do I have a great guy who would need to do this at the house? What blue is attempted to show how to shave for the year? Yeah, I'm just live shimming. I've never looked before and he's quite rubbish at most things that he attempts to do. So, I'm sure he'll be running out through most of the year he demonstrated. Do you want to shout out if you like it? Jos, can I have your tools down? Much better at this. What? Oh, no, no, no. That's yours? No box. It's a smaller size but it's a 10 maybe one. So, we're in the last three days back to work. There must be more questions. Yeah, there must be more questions. Please. It's going to be getting on for hours. It's just may well be more of a roasting. OK. What's the best way to get through those dimple locks, the ones of the keys that have like partially drilled in holes either side? The number of techniques you will familiar with, the most common, the easiest to do and the most successful would be with the key. Oh, congratulation. Yeah, start off with the key and then the next one is to pick them. Once you can pick a lock, the principle remains the same forever, which is if it moves, leave it alone. If it doesn't move, pick it. Move up a bit. Dimple locks are based on my easiest pick and standard locks based on the fact that, generally speaking, the keyway is massive, so you can get a reasonably large pick in that. But because the keyway is sideways, the pickings are generally shorter. You can say that the range of movement is smaller and the torrent is quite good and generally how to pull is better. All those things are fine to make quite large dimple locks with very easy, predictable pick, which you don't have. Much like Garrison, the most popular. A noble lock, I can pick in maybe 10, 20 seconds. But a noble lock with a launch of about five, six minutes for a lock that is easy. Now it's also a bit of a similar speed, I believe. Yeah, they don't cope with massive, massive problems. However, the keys look interesting. Dimple locks are really coming into attack at the moment because a lot of manufacturers have written a pack with some goat dimples because they're complicated. Really. And they're exactly the same with the companion keyway because people haven't done that before. So they're coming in that way and in that way. And depending on that, they've got magnets and stuff. But for the French locks, they've been bringing out until they've basically opened all of us very quickly. So I think that they've been wrapped up as tight and curious and they've been disappearing pretty quickly. OK, so the next question. So if all locks are pickable quickly by the sounds of it, should we just get rid of all the locks and just go for bolts? Or is that equally vulnerable? No, no, I'm a home bird. You're a home bird? No. The most difficult lock to pick would be a couple of slide locks from the inside, but no, wet locks. I don't know how to do that. Maybe drill a hole through the door and poke at it twice. Essentially, no one's really going to pick locks to open them. That hasn't a break yet. We pick locks to score. There are some cases of people picking locks to get in. It's worth adding a beatian's lock, but it doesn't make sense to me that it's bull creeper or at least bull resistant. It's similar to that, really. No one's going to really pick them up to get in, unless you're a tight person. At which point, there's no point in worrying about it. There is no point in worrying. You need a lock to ask you. His name is Warren Rock, but he's a level 0 or something like that. Just to count if you are clear. The last question. Door to door. You can get past them. One of my favourite tricks on Warren is to see open doors bolted, then be bolted again when you do that same door, which really must be read ahead for people that have done it too. Is this door not bolted at all? It doesn't really work, is that it? Are that good? Anything should work on the magic? I'm assuming some of you can't differentiate between bolted and not bolted. It's still bolted. That's the question. So, I was wondering when you said people that lockpick don't lockpick to get in doors and stuff, but how would you burgle to get in? Do you want to do that? This isn't my kid you should be hearing me right now. That's the question. Why don't they use lockpicks? I have a microphone. Why would a burglar not use lockpicks? Because an average lock on a front door, if it's not stupid jeep, will take some skill to actually open it. So you need to put in the time to learn that skill. And then it's probably, well these guys, that's all they do, so they practice a lot. Allegedly, yep. And if you are a complete novice and you want to learn enough lockpicking to kind of consistently open those locks, that takes a long time. And the key word is consistent. Because if these guys go on a job, they get paid by the hour, I reckon, or by the job. Well, I mean if you show up at a door and it takes five minutes or two minutes, that doesn't really matter. And every now and then it takes 45 minutes I reckon. If you're trying to rob a place, being on your knees in front of a door, you're not supposed to be yet for 45 minutes, that's going to be a problem. That's about five times the actual tools. And of course there are other ways to get around it. I mean a good locksmith will try to open your door without any damage. Not even to the lock. If you take a big old drill out, or just make a big hole or go through a window, that'll work. Because these guys won't do that because that's extra cost for the client. But a burglar, well, see if he cares. I mean it's going to rob you anyhow. So that's an extra door for you. For a burglar this is probably the least efficient way to get in. Is that answer your question? Yeah. Okay, let's have a show of hands. How many people have heard alarms going off at night? How many people have bothered to investigate? Exactly. There's no point for a burglar trying to pick their way in. If they've moved the door in and don't worry about any alarms, no one's picking their way into a house. It's not a quick way in, it's not a efficient way in. No normal burglar would. And that includes bumping? Basically, for now that answer is probably a yes. I've heard that many great things in houses quite a lot. When they're done quickly, you are sort of stuck there. Even though they've got the forces on kindly and kind of reached here. Do you have a burglar? And if they're done, you'll find what they've done. One of the closest things you'll ever do to being a burglar as a locksmith is mental health warrants. Slightly different from utility warrants in that you have an appointment, usually noon, why noon I don't know, with the police. And you turn up and open the door of someone who has mental health issues with mental health nurses and so on. You've got to open it quickly, quietly. Otherwise the police will smash it in. Quickly, quietly and as efficiently as possible. It's the closest you'll ever get to being a burglar. And it is terrifying. I've done a few, I hate them. You need to be in in a couple of minutes. And so, you shouldn't really damage anything, but the stress and the adrenaline is unbelievable. It's terrifying. Now, I've got some burly coppers behind me and a nurse. If I was trying to break in for nefarious purposes, I personally don't think I could do it. But to knit back to your bumping question, let's imagine all of us were asleep. It's nighttime. And all of a sudden you hear this. You'll notice bumping, not if you're in, in particular. They're faster ways in. They're faster ways. Also, it takes a lot of skill. I mean, there have been locks in the lock picking tent. Easy locks. Now I just picked it up in there a few minutes. It's got fed up. John, me, I'm not mentioning any tricycle locks on dated lewdos. Sometimes they're pain in the arse. Now if you're a burglar, there are more consistent ways in. Generally, through the open window that you've left or the back door that's been broken for six months or any other speedy method. Well, to get back to that bumpy question, normally I would say burglars won't use that because you need a shitload and they break and that's hard. But if you live in a new building or in a flat with all the same locks because you are not allowed to change it because all the tenants have to have a key that also fits on the front door, you all have the same brand and type of lock. A bump key would work for the whole building. So in situations like that or in a completely, if there's a new build, if there's a new build, a ton of buildings, well, if that's the same contract group with the locks in, they're probably the same. So then if you move into a building, first thing you do, change the locks. I don't care how good the locks were that were on there, just swap them. Because you don't know how many people have the locks or actually the keys for their door. So that's good security. Bumping shouldn't be a problem. That's it. But that's been said, there is some new research that I was kind of involved in that were making bump keys from just the pictures of your keyhole. Something like that. It's quite new. Kind of, yeah. It looks promising. Actually it works. We just made an app that will enable you to do so. Yeah, it's the bigger we, high buck. And we collaborated with some guys in Germany, Christof, Dicoder is his name, he goes by online. And we just took pictures of keyholes and basically figured out the rest of the info you need to actually make that bump key. And we had those printed first by Shapeways because they do different materials that are working quite well. And... Sorry? I'm not doing anything. Yeah, they work with nylon. They print with nylon and we can't print nylon ourselves yet because it has to be too hot. We're working with other materials as well because it's an ongoing process. We've just been doing it for a couple of weeks. But it's cool. We will not be releasing that app. But we... No, we're not. Nope. That's correct, not at all. I think it's like a house security. The nature security hasn't really moved on much at all ever. However, car security has moved on a lot. Cars are extremely difficult to steal. What aren't definitely difficult to steal is car keys. So, as you go home tonight, how are we going to drive? If your car is going to steal your house, is life going to be repetitive? In particular, if you have a nice car, something that is likely to solve the board if so, well, that's a security approach idea, which will be a bit of an M3 CSR. A very nice car, very rare, or many of the UK, if I want one as a criminal, I'll pay someone else to steal it. It's out for the poor. So, if you have a very nice car, odds are, some will break into your house to get the car keys. If you're going home with a nice car, spend the extra, have a security professional, not a joiner, have an actual, proper security professional for me and make sure that when you're asleep at three in the morning, you don't make up to an angry man on what you face after we've got these on. Is there a smaller side? I'm sure we have more questions. If your suit is cracked, leave your car keys on the table. Don't leave on the bedside table because you will need to mind who wants to know what these are. If they get the keys before they get to you, sometimes that's a good option. I think we've basically covered that question. We've got another question coming up. What's the oddest thing you've made lockpicking tools out of? They're quite wide, aren't they? I got there when I was on stage at some tiny venue. I could have been drunk, I'm not quite sure about that. Somebody asked me, is it true that you can pick handcuffs with a paperclip? I happen to have a paperclip of a size that should be doable. Of course I had handcuffs. It's a demo. I just clicked them on and was like, that's probably not a good idea to do that on stage. That was kind of stupid, but it worked out. I want to be in the scene a guy who sells a banana and then bought it because the same banana was frozen. That's probably the weirdest. At one on one was that, right? That was basically a challenge who can have the stupidest lockpick ever, and he said, I'll open a lock with a banana. And he did. You mentioned that vehicle locks are much better than house locks. What's the future and what can we apply from vehicle locks to house locks? The reason vehicle locks are better was due to certain areas in the UK in Manchester and Liverpool specifically where people drove cars that they didn't own. Which takes us back to the tool rooms. Don't pick locks that you don't own about explicit measures to pick. And insurance companies spent a lot of money on transport and technology. But the proxies where you can keep on your person the car will start. It locks when you walk away and when you walk to it. The problem is how do you know your car is ever locked? Because you don't. Every time you come to it, it's unlocked. You've never seen your car locked. Unless you leave your key far away and walk back to the car, it follows a security risk to do that. With regard to domestic locks personally, Nigel will know that I have a different view on how domestic locks aren't going to move on much if any. The last 200 years are not going to move on the next because they work perfectly well. There's no need to be complicated electronics. I make a really good living on the fact that car locks are always natural. People lose keys. What could you drive next? What year? 2003 2003. What's the key to 250g of spare keys to 516? Your friend will lock. I would say no more than 10 for a spare key 100g of spare keys. If every time you lost your keys I would have 250g of spare keys. You wouldn't take the technology. I can't let people buy a basement lock. 250g of spare keys is never going to happen. Based on that, say what you always have. For these Brox cards I met a girl once and she was in an apartment but that was on the ground floor and her parking spot was right in front of her door. She left her keys in her coat pocket and her coat was at the coat hanger which was right beside the door. Her car was never locked. She didn't know that. No, you can steal it. But you can get in it. You can go down the car lock and then it locks again. You are trapped in it until the next year. The other reason is that car locks are not the right way because generally how do you find it happy? Is that like the way you find out to get a colleague to beat you? There is a problem with rentals. There is a problem with rentals. There is a problem with rentals. Factory keys generally two remotes once per key. What you find is that the key program is locked down from the factory. There is a problem with decent rental company like Enterprise will have plenty of vehicles. They supply you with three keys they retain two keys and give you one key and there is an unasked electronic service can anybody remake a key? They just will not program in a modern vehicle will not program in a modern vehicle. So it is very difficult even for me to put new car keys into rental vehicles. Generally take the ECU out other than that. William Crookes found a workaround that removed the RFID from the official key glued to the reader glued it near the reader just hand back with the empty key and that can be cloned easy. Otherwise you will hit the button and you will crash to your own front wall. You don't get caught on the car insurance and you don't get caught on your own insurance. A smaller size, if not that's ever happened twice now to people out of your job. The range in which they work is really one key. If you park in a barn garage it might actually continually be taken in such a way that maybe on the left side of your car you walk two steps and on the right side of your car you walk several metres. Beyond that for a rental car phone keys there's also another sort of relay attack that's basically somebody who will just stand next to you in the elevator and will basically have the communication relate to somebody that's standing next to your car. So whenever they try to open the car the car will ask, are you the key animal looking for and that will get relayed to you? So we've got five minutes left so we're going to go with a quick five question now so none of this happened ourselves? I've got kind of two quick one slightly relevant question. It's about sort of rental houses and stuff. Do you ever get problems where people rent a house out for like two months and just clone the key and then come back in and break in and then the second part is about 3D printing and stuff. Do you reckon when you get sort of cheap 3D printing of locks you're going to be sort of, I guess, accurate, homogenous kind of pin size and stuff. Is that going to take away from picking and then are you going to be able to have like 3D printed locks straight from the manufacturer and then you can check it and then they can send it back? Okay, so the first part was the first part was changing the locks. The same conversation we had yesterday we said they weren't going to change the locks just change them and take them to the stage and I've got the keys, they're the new locks the second part was 3D printed keys and 3D printed locks that was 3D printed keys, yes, 3D printed locks about the rent rent apartments the rent clients were about quite a bit off, just like the short-term rental payments but it basically did, every time you moved in you removed the lots of work technically only to buy the rent in the apartment and you bought your own locks and you just struggled with your own house locks so every time you moved into your apartment you just replaced all the locks and you knew you was the only one with the rent to that set? The third part with that is if you're moving around a lot you only have to sell I have to buy one set of locks because you keep on using those Yes, basically, yes Standard size so if in doubt and this is not the price just change it, take it with you when was the last time someone turned up and opened the door for a rent property? Many times As one of you said many times that happens The other thing is the lease or rent agreement says that the landlord has to have a key for inspection of things I suspect that most people rather have a few hours notice of that and if it just so happens that the landlord turns up and tries to key and goes oh it doesn't work, then in front of you you come back and open the door and swap them up again A couple more quick buy questions while we're quick firing Very simple thing about rentals your hotel room is also a rental Yes it is Next question I was just wondering Oh you again How many pins What's the most amount of pins that you've seen in a lock? The most amount 21 for me The most I'm aware of is 24 24 24 I know there's the I forget the name of it The most I've picked is 12 Ok that's good, next question No sorry I've got a 14 pin lock I don't want to have a look at it You got shut down Time is up They can turn the mics off Let's get there One more question Where's the good one Who has one last question Really guys? There we go What was the hardest pick you had to pick Hardest lock to pick What was your hardest lock to pick Go around Well I know instantly which one I wanted to tell you about but I can't I'll skip that one if you don't mind Quite boring answer but pretty much every lock I have to go to as a paid job begins out as the hardest lock I've had to pick Ford Fiesta with proximity key The customer didn't know that her key fob had a key in it The lock had never been used in five years and that took me two and a half hours on a HE101 after school It did open in the end and I got paid but two and a half hours I think is the longest I've ever sat on a bit to lock This is going to be a really ridiculous answer A master pal lock because I was stupid enough to take the bet that it could do it while upside down Okay so there's two parts to this The longest I've spent trying to open a lock is three minutes which was an Ingersoll 10Liver Three months Three months The longest The most expensive lock I've picked in the quickest time was someone asked me to open a Bannum as a challenge and it took three seconds That was a complete mistake but it's still opened and anyone from London has probably seen them They're the dimple picks with the holes all the way through They're not as safe as you think they are Are we allowed to tell people about that now? This one was really difficult because they had no tools but I've just done it on stage No, it's not that difficult With no tools That kind of wraps it up You can watch the video I once spent three and a half hours on a safe at a safe opening weekend Literally my arm was so tired that I got someone to get a piece of wood and put it under there so that I continued so I didn't drop believers but I got it open in the end It took an hour to get the broken key out first before I could even start Then of course there's locks that you just fails to open and that does occasionally happen Anyway, Lockpink Village is over there Thanks so much Just out of the door You're in the Lockpink Village Come by there