 I think the main thing we can achieve by nurturing and growing the foundation economy is a better sense of economic place. At the moment a lot of economic development policy focuses on small number of sectors that are only relevant really to certain people in certain areas of Wales. By pursuing this new kind of approach we can create a conversation about economic development that reaches every part of Wales. I think the foundation economy approach can be about more than supporting individual businesses although that is still going to be an important part of the mix of interventions. Fundamentally what we need to look at is the environment in which businesses operate and we need to try to make those environments as successful as possible. So for instance when we are talking about childcare as an example how do we make the childcare sector one that enables small businesses within it to thrive. It's going to be very difficult to judge success in the long term with this because this is such a new approach. Conventionally we've looked at things like gross value added and GDP figures as the way of measuring it but this has got a much more granular feel to it. So it's one of the things we need to do a little bit more work on but fundamentally I think if we start to see those parts of Wales have some sort of economic regeneration as a result of a foundation economy approach then we'll know we're on to a good thing.