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This is what you clicked on Best would cartel boss Nottingham David Gunn true crime podcast 305 I Told y'all want to get into these crime gangsta podcast They just super long So man if y'all could like Tell me like in the discord or somewhere Drop links to ones that y'all want me to do Probably in the discord maybe in the discord man. I am not subbed to his channel. So let me sub Let me like the video Practice what I preach man Get into it. If they'd have found you guilty how much time would you go? I had a died in prison I did when we've ever got a 35 Okay, this must be real video. Okay, cuz I guess for that for a month I skipped all this cuz I thought it was just like Ah Big desert eagle take for three years cat ain't for four years. I've done every top security every special unit Everyone in the country. I've done absolutely every every one of them violence on all of them Good cuppa good rich teas while I watch Robert Moore's they've done very we can you know a cat walk Kev Kev Lane Curtis Warren all of them killed someone with a single punch Outside boots in Nottingham City Center. We've got three and a half years for that for a manslaughter It's not a murder mate. Let me just beat him. So I beat his eyelids off and his lips off And swallow them, but that's himself beat his eyelids off and his lips off And swallow them, but where am I watch? You did what bro? That's why I had to do it because he's caught me daughters I so far I'm gonna score you for life me you ain't have to do that I used to have one of those daff coshes up my sleeve we're gassing. We say oh Dave's we go gassing and put it back up I'll have to find out who's done it tech and ran where I'm in get the people to tread on the reds And all that or smash their hands in with hammers, and that's the sort of thing that went up Because was all iris cat easy So you're strapped up and cut them suits and we're prisoner on the back and I'm fairly copters cars guns All around the courts guns are drawn if they'd have found you guilty how much time would you got had it died in prison? I did when we've got a 35 had it got the same Today we have got a massive story Loads of viewers have requested this one over the years And if you have seen any of the news stories about the best wood cartel and the gun brothers Then this is the one you've been waiting for but the thing is a lot of journalists authors Clickbaiters are wrong with this and there's all kinds of myths Exaggerated stories and Dave gone is gonna put those to rest today when he tells his story and His brother is serving 36 35 35 break life here and and Dave himself has done over 20 years I've done about 23 yeah, I've done. I've done 11 out of the last 15 Just for nonsense, mate, but do you want to give the viewers just a little idea of a prison you've been On the last sentence, I did I was iris cat eight for three years cat eight for four years So I've done every top security every special unit everyone in the country I've done absolutely every every one of them and you know violence on all of them with staff and but So not only was you a minutes in the streets you was a minutes in the prison You was category a you was top top top tier gangsters Okay Make us the man. That's why I say you just have to roll with it That's some bad times some good times some good people in there About I've actually done a lot of make sure I didn't do a day because of different jails 16 on remand Which is caused so they can upset your routine and then it takes three months for your paperwork to follow you So you can't study your murder cases because they've got it for three months And it follows you it lands on you the movie again and again and again and it's just non-stop I know some of the more well-known characters you've served time with I've done it. I've been on the special unit with charlie Robert morseley Dunberg with Kenny noi Catwalk Kev Kev Lane Curtis Warren all of them everybody all the top security lads And your brother then Colin he's been cate for how many years colin's now it's still high risk cate But he's been it's the longest one in british history. He's been doing it for 17 years now And it's been exceptional three times as well Where you get removed to the unit on ten man unlock at belmarsh And um, it's just you're out on your end. It was just in beaver and kurtis here at one stage But yeah, he's been high risk cate for 17 years He's trying to come off it but not much of it with the way the police are going on and everything and the silliness they say Not if that would have 17 year history of cate. Well, it's gonna be tough before we get to all that then Let's just go back To you guys growing up. What was that like? Yeah, we had rough times We you know Single parents and never really had much very clean But my mom had to work every hour god sent just to feed us and everything so He started thieving and and trying to earn money for the family And you know you're doing all that to look after the family But growing up it was it it was a good time brilliant But got very handy with the fists and you know just throw your weight about and As children but as you grow up and get older you want bigger and better things don't you so you're just progressing You go from from burglarist robbing robbing garages and things like that and and then finally you're into drugs And that's where the that's where the money was at the time. What about the rave scene of that chilli rod? The rave scene were brilliant Yeah, it was brilliant Well, what was your first rage because we came down to we didn't get down to nothing and we went to burn He sounded like he was turd. I think I did a um A son at work Maybe I don't I can't recall From young rag market, we went to coventry the eclipse Shelly's stone and Sheffield They had them all up there and and they had the first massive one was at 25 000 people one at fantasia castle I was a brilliant rave when spoonie and top buzz and all them was on brilliant rave Absolutely and the flyers for all them from 89 90 and then the cops seized them and kept using them as evidence against them So what was it like taking ecstasy for you? I've never really bothered with drugs, you know in them days. I mean Before obviously it was called ease then it was then white white doves. They were called And there was all sevens went for 25 quid a pill and I says to our kid Let's get into this me. What's going off? I come these wankers again all the time. Yeah, but so obviously you try and you try your hand You only young 19 and 20, but you get knocked back and you get a bit angry and It was great. There was there was good buzz though. It was a good buzz. Did I don't know maybe I didn't ever try We'll try today You had a good time on them because a lot of I like the violence like reduced because Liverpool versus Manchester They were scared to go each other's cities. Yeah, so I had mates involved, but then they get on the ease and they're all hugging and kissing You can eat you can eat them one minute and half hour later. You'll be sticking lips on them telling me love them Yeah mental So school then for you, what was that like school was good school was great You know no exams enough in has dropped out of everything Just just done my own thing and I was working in old people's owns and all that as a child but after school that's when it all started you're fighting and Fighting other gangs and I you know as you you know as children. That's what you did But school was good. We had a good a proper good upbringing and my mom was How old is he? Because he he was as children. That's what you do with not all children do that do that I mean, that's what I did, but I'm just saying, you know Because she's when the coffers ready for it. She'd be hitting them with shoes and also I Not all the time. Yeah, he said some of his gangs what word again back there. Well, there was there was a best word like You know, it was known as the best word us. There was only 15 and 16 You know tosses really but you think the big men don't know that age Then you was fighting ed was laying on or war. Well, you're just going around all different schools fighting them Just to see just to show you're the cop of the schools and that you know, that's how it was And what were you on a path where you were never going to have a straight career? I did. I worked for I worked for the council as a gardener. Then I sent me on car business. So but You're constantly trying to do better and earn more and and you know, you stop Just start dipping into things and that's better than this and that gets put on the lay by and you move ahead with this one and You know, it's been horrific, but it's been brilliant. It's been a good ride. Yeah But would I do it again? I don't think I would know You all right to just elaborate on the ride because going from like being in your league teams The news reports were saying this cartel had like hundreds of people work from all this stuff. Yeah How does it go from that a teenager to that? Well from from say I was married at 19 Me and my wife have been together since was nine years old. So we're married at 19 You you gotta have been born in 1902 or something that what do you say? I'm sorry 1902 is great 1950 something because they don't make it like that no more They do not I wish I would have found my wife at nine. I would have been cooling by now You know, I'm saying relaxed And then obviously I did in the 80s I was forever doing forestal sentences yp sentences For doing what I do in town fighting and that then, you know, I killed someone with a single gun outside boots in nottingham city centre I've got three and a half years for that for a manslaughter Is that someone who started on you? Yes, my wife had just got married and someone's tried to groper And and he just went outside. I smacked him eat his head on the curb And I got nick for that remanded for that. That was the first one And then there's quite a few guys in prison. Isn't there for things like that? Oh, yeah, so they bang on one and behind there behind your ear is the weakest part of your school And if you land on it, you're a goner, right, but it shoots into your brain, right? That's what happens Were you surprised and was it like, you know, going to court for all that and stuff? Was it upsetting or? Well, it was part of the course for me, but when you're young, it's upsetting But as you get older, you just get bitter and bitterer and, you know, it's hard for your family So when you're in the jail, you get you get drugs in, don't you sell the drugs to feed your family? And everybody was doing it in the 90s That's how it was. You just got visits, shoved it all over your arse and job done There's no cameras around in them days So you knew everybody inside? Yeah, you just got visits and you... What'd you do with it, my boy? Got visits, shoved it all over your arse and job done, there's no cameras around in them days So you knew everybody inside? Yeah, everybody, yeah It was prominent in 1920 He still looked young, though So maybe not fitties Maybe in his 60s, dude, boy Cause he looks rather young No, it was well known So when you got out on that sentence then, what was your life like? It was good. That's when I went back to work and with the council And things was nice And then you need more money than they can pay So you get people on your estate at the time who were selling drugs or absolute nones And you're thinking, what are these earning all this money? You know, driving around in the day, it was XR3Is and that But I said to our kid, what are these doing, these wankers? So we just took it off them And started doing it ourselves That's how it's been, but I'll talk about it, because I've done the jail for it But you've got to fill the cupboards Or call by crook at that age Your family need feeding, I have four children So Colin then back then, was he in and out of the Bostles as well? Yeah, Colin did a few But Colin used to be known as Knuckles Cause he's got massive hands that he just used to snore them Just used to put them to sleep in one punch at that So no one had talked to Colin Dave, can you sort this out? Cause it's a good to him, he'll just pull a face and bow you That's how it's always been, bless him Yeah, but it's good stuff Colin man But they've just proper gone to town this time and stitched him up Yeah, yeah, we're going to get to that then Alright, so you decide to take over Does that mean you like you taxed the local people that were doing it already? No, no, we're just told them they're not doing it no more, we're doing it And you're off the scene And only people sell this around here is us Our firm's job and anybody else is going to be serious consequences So, and obviously serious consequences happened Are you able to elaborate on that? Well, people got serious beatings and... I would imagine like that kind of approach People did test the theory out Like, who is this dude? I'm going to do it anyway Testing that theory got people worked up Oh, God man, what's going on? Oh, here we go Makes sense People was put in hospital, you know But as far as I was concerned, I can't really elaborate any further Did you get convicted of stuff around that time? Yeah, I was always locked up Not the man of thought I was So what was your next sentence after the one you just got out? That one, what did I get then? I've done 15 months, three years I've done a four and a half, eight and a half Was that all drug related? No, no, only the last one was drug related So I've never been nicked for drugs Man, that's crazy, man First of all, look at this man's wrist This wrist going crazy This is tough But like, living this type of lifestyle Like, it's like It's really two, three ways it can go, man Like, really, when they be saying that That'd be real talk It's either you're going to be locked up, bed Or you might slither through a crack But that's rare And this man was locked up for a third of his life Just the last one The major one is where My daughter was nine years old in a bar She was having a Sunday lunch with my wife and the children And a man fell into the table Not the Coca-Cola all over She jumped up screaming He's belted her in the eye So I've got a phone call I've gone down to him My pulse got one of them And it's not a murder, mate Let me just beat him So I bit his eyelids off and his lips off And swallowed him But... Now the backstory to this is crazy My man's... There was at a brunch on a Sunday With his kids His wife was at a brunch with his kids They was cool and eating Eating good Because it's brunch Eating good Or lunch Whatever one he said Somebody bumped into the table Instead of stings Oh, I'm so sorry there Excuse me, excuse me I apologize Let me get you another coke Let me get you some lapkins But he hits his nine-year-old daughter in the stomach You never know who, what, when, where What you... Or what you're doing to people Or who it is Like this man came through What did you do? Say it again? Because I don't want to say it I beat his eyelids off and his lips off And swallowed him This is different They just do different Talk about sending a message But that's what I had to do Because he's caught my daughter's eyes So I thought I want to scar you for life, mate He's bashed a nine-year-old child Yeah, nine-year-old cut all her eyelid open Yeah And then as we've gone in the bar He's like I can't eat and knock At the bar, to my family So I thought you're going to sleep here, mate And I'm going to go to town on you And that's what I did I just ended in me With some fists and feet and then bit him Just let him know what time it is What's going on in his? Drunk, drunk, drunk Drunk, drunk, one of them Bashing nine-year-old Nine-year-old daughters, yeah And me nine-year-old child Oh, shit Like, it can't happen, can it? It can't happen It can't happen I've got liquid courage or something else Four-year-nine month for it Yeah, you should've got a medal Yeah, and he come and give evidence as well I can't believe it He was locked up at the time It's always the way it is in these cowards It hit kids And hit him women Come and give evidence Wanker, but he's dead now I seen his wife the other day I said, what's happened to that wanker? Where is he now? I said, he's dead, Dave I said, fam, fuck for that This is shit Absolutely Yeah, but he locked up during the two years Because he battered the bird He was wild, he hammered those He obviously stuck him in And then he's come from Shrewsbury Because he couldn't be placed in the Midlands Because of our connections So he was in a jail in Shrewsbury And he come and give evidence He's gone before you in nine months I'm sorry if I'm blurry, man I'm recording at night It is what it is You know So as a woman, a kid, be honest And a snitch, yeah No good con, he's dead What was the next sentence? After that one I think I got a three for a violent disorder What led to that? It was a New Year's Eve party And one of the lads had been threw out By the host So they've come and woke me up I said, Dave, this bloke threw us out He's punched me on the nose So we all went round with baseball That's disturbed him in They've been not playing no type of games That was the days in them days That's what happened You humiliating people You went to sleep So all these prison sentences So far in the story that you've described Was it just plain sailing for you Because you knew everybody Yeah, plain sailing, you know You just took it on the chin You dealt the end You played the end, don't you? And do your best while you're in jail Treat people with respect It's all my old school rules, man Nowadays, we got gunners Six, nine It is not happening that way no more If they want it, they can have it And it's like that But no one wants it You don't really want it Because you want to get out But you just got to show yourself As somebody who's not bothered And just have it then What about run-ins with the guards? Yeah, I've always got on with them to be fair I've had a few run-ins I've had a few run-ins with them But especially on the special units But in them sea cats and that As a young kid You get on with them all Because they all want to smoke you off So the run-ins were later on? Later on, yeah Yeah What was the next sentence then? After the three Would have been I don't care About 27 months for another daft AVH Punching someone in the eye socket In a club I was always pissed up hitting people The way he described it Like punching somebody in the eye socket Not just the eye The whole socket is what you did it to Like that's different People Not bullying But in my head There's a reason for it It's man-on-man-on It wasn't, yeah And you know, because I've always had Medication for schizophrenia And all that sort of stuff So in my head I think I'm right And these come first And I'll unload a few of them And then after When you realise To see how come at me And before you know it You're getting led away In course I think my mate Wild Woman She's got like A tumour on part of her brain And she goes from zero To fucking psychotic That's how many seconds Yeah You can do that She's your mate Yeah Okay, when I was young, bro I used to be like that Any little slight thing That set me off And I'd get busy And think about it later Like, and I don't Corrify, condone, Sensation-wise Any of that matter of fact Before it gets critical And here we go But That was just the mentality I don't know what I don't know what type Of time I was on, man When you add To the equation Like, I didn't have liquid courage I had courage before any liquor Any liquid to come in And I was never an angry Like, I would never get angry I would see something Being done to myself Like, say somebody Getting out of pocket Rationalise what was About to happen Come to a conclusion And execute And then later Like afterwards You're not getting mad It's not good to, you know Throw these mugs When you're angry But nevertheless Like, I'm in a peaceful Zen place now I got a daughter Yesterday was her birthday And, you know, we just We good Peaceful God did So you got a string Of these offenses then And what led up to the bigger one Which one, the eight and a half one Yeah I had a massive I had a massive conspiracy To supply in England and Wales With amphetamine, heroin and cocaine But never dealt in class A's It was only amphetamine out of it I'm not minimising it It's drugs, you know He's playing out of order But I was dealing amphetamine Earning good money I was earning about 18 grand a week of it So I was having proper good Doe out of it But then When we all got bossed What they done We had a special branch And then my five on us Right, because we was getting That big all over the country But all the other lads Doing what they're doing And everything So they burgled my workers They burgled their asses And stole all the jewelry And that But why there was Is he from Liverpool? Because I heard him talk about Liverpool earlier The cameras in the televisions So there's videos of them With the misses on the set And, you know, the private Private videos And there's loads of them And they're talking Saying, ah, yeah Dave said to this And Dave said to this And it brings you under Conspiracy, doesn't it? And then they bugged my car Had the address Both the stereo bugged it There was all bugged How did you notice the stereo was bugged? Well, I was on my way to York one day And the person with me I'll say Private said Look, that's a different stereo, Dave That's got a big scratching Yours had a big scratching This is brand new I said, no, it's nice It's my stereo It's my CD He said, no, it's gone So I pulled over on the lay-by On the A1, ripped it out And launched it And I thought I'm going to sell this car I'm going to get back I went like shush But by that time The damage had already been done Because my pals had been sat there And we made doggies saying 22 years I've been dealing drugs And he got a five-year for that Just for the car being bugged It falls Just a minor admission Yeah, one admission Yeah, it got him They took out the whole radio And replaced it They throw that bug in there That's different Five-year And it locked me up Had the kids working for me They was all bugged And when they got raided I got raided I got arrested in a bistro In a place called Bulwul By an police I sat there with my friend Who's passed away now It's crazy, a bistro We call it a bistro Like the little pronunciations The little different The different The differential The different... Differentiations And they come in Guns drawn You're under arrest David I thought it was for them And charges, but it weren't And they come in For drugs I said, what are you all about, mate? Anyway, they didn't have a lot, mate So I was cateed For nine-kilograms of amphetamine Went to Wakefield prison Had two nights there And five in the morning Wist off to Manchester To Strangeways On E-wing there The cate unit Strangeways So I was there for about Two and a half months Then I got nicked for the murders They took me to a loud police station In armed escorts Helicopter and all that All armed police Then they brought me back And I realised that was Irish cate And then obviously I'm there now, I'm Irish cate So let's crack on with it It's a big fight on So you've got to roll your sleeves And get ready for it So you've covered a lot of ground Let's go back a bit So you had two days in Monster Mansion Yeah, yeah, on B-wing Oh, he was in Monster Mansion too? What was that like? Great! No nuns on B-wing There is on B-wing But at Wakefield Remand units You know, I've done reactions To all of these prisons I had to remove them off YouTube, like I said earlier If you want to look If you want to look They're all on Facebook Specifically for cate prisoners And obviously there's a lot of lads Who watch this Who know about it Who's been there So it's the last 18 cells On the land And there was bars there At the time But they had all these nuns As they're in wheelchairs And you used to go in the shower I was in with Jamma, Shah You know the Bradford cop killers For the travel agent ones I was locked up with them So as we're in the showers one day I've seen this little nuns In his wheelchair Knee going up and down Scratching his balls And that Watching us in the shower So it says to Jamma Go and boil the kettle And put some sugar in it So he's gone and boiled it And he's brought it back Back in the shower Says, come here mate Baller car Says, come here I fucked him straight in his face So he's going around in his chair Bent to fourth I thought you dirty bastard He was wanking Wanking Playing with his cop Watching men in the showers I scolded him But after that It all got sealed off They put a thick plastic up All around the wing Because they knew we weren't Having that Why were those type of prisoners Next to category eight prisoners Of course that's not going to happen You know what I'm saying? It's not... That's... That don't even make sense It was all there All the Sidney Colk He married a 21 year old Scarce fellow there And they married him in the jail Just pure homosexuality in there Was this before Or was after Paul Sykes was there? Yes, Sykes here died by then Sykes here died by then Died by then, yeah Yeah, Sykes here good stuff I was in foursome with his son Well, yeah He's good stuff Didn't he get a liftoff? I think he got a liftoff in the end Yeah, but he got the... The colour deep in there Served him up in the showers Cut him up Yeah, served him up But good kid he was What was he like then? His side save Sykes' son Yeah, he was great He was odd He could have a good mate He could swing his face And he was a unit Yeah You know, in them... I've seen his son He was built just like his dad In places Everybody who's been in them Will know exactly what I'm saying They're paranoia breeders Like in the morning You'll see them coming out screwfaced And they'll say morning And if you don't say morning back at dinner It's going to be on you Because they think you've got a vengeance with them So they'll come in now if you're in the back of the neck That's how it was There's two or three a week in there On every unit Yeah, it's rife me Two murders in there Why I was there I was in there with A kid called Damien from Northampton Right, and he says Dave, I'm going on the numbers I'm going to do a nonce He says, leave it Damien Right, I mean I'm not going to say his last name I can tell you his last name But anyway, he's gone on the numbers He's killed a nonce called Ach Got him up, choked him out, stabbed him And when the screws are gone So he's barricaded up And he says to him Under the door, Ach And he's had his zombie under there Saying, can't do it Like nodding his head And talking about his mouth moving So in the end of the fourth entry And the fella's dead Wow Yeah, killed him But he said he just wanted The notoriety he did But a lovely kid He's only doing a seven or something I like that for some stripes Right For some stripes And then you've got I think you've got 25 for it 25L, please Yeah Comes away life for some people Yeah, yeah, yeah Some people like the notoriety, don't they? Yeah But, you know, in jail You get the notoriety for a week Then you forgot about it Somebody else has it And then the thing is If you're the toughest Someone else wants to make the name Someone else will make a name Of you Never As life goes on And carries on You're getting older and older and older So people think And they always do it That's life I've done it myself Yeah I'll snore this fella And you just knock him out And obviously, yeah I ain't never heard that I'll snore at this fella Hey, man, I got into it with Old boy down the street I snored him Snored him You too? I'm just using it in a sentence That was not true What I just said I'm just using it in a sentence Seeing how to work with my little lingo Not condoned, sensationalized Or anything I'm here on behalf of the media Learning Time So you've got to be ready for it Yeah, it's one of our recent tour And a lot of people were telling us stories About Lee Duffy and plus Duffy, yeah, yeah Duffy Did you hear anything about Duffy? Yeah, I knew a lot about Duffy Through the Newcastle That's because Sunderland Weren't it? Yeah But Ard is fucking nails South Bank Yeah, Ard is nails Yeah Yeah, all the Sunderland Loved him Still talk about him to this day Yeah, he wants to be as well Ard is nails, mate That fella was And there's a book about him Book about him And Viv Graham Right to the death Yeah, Viv Graham Well, well, I got in prison He gave me that book You gotta read it I should be writing these down These all these names Mate, brilliant book Fucking brilliant book But you know, in them days There's no TVs in the gel So you just sat there Engulfed in books And reading in that But when I read that one That's why y'all were so smart Back in the day You know what I'm saying Y'all was reading books Y'all was locked up reading books And nowadays And H&P, Suzanne Whatever, H&P Chicken shop They in there eating Dominoes Playing PS5 You know what I'm saying, man It's different Viv Graham Rated him Properly rated him But some Wankers shot him Near his Cosworth Didn't they and done it Wanker And they got Duffy as well, didn't they Yeah, they got Duffy You got him Yeah, blessing But he could have a go He was the only young kid as well We could have froze weights about Man, you didn't have two folks, did you? The bouncers were just locked the doors Yeah, they weren't telling me He couldn't come in Just bolt off Bolt them all off Yeah Yeah Yes, if you're interested If you're watching this We have done the audio books The audiobooks The Whole of the Moon There's a whole series of them On Amazon If you wanna Viewers wanna Listen to them For some reason If you've never watched Sean I like myself The link to this Original visuals I edit that out The link to this Original video is down below In the description Check it out Hopefully we'll get your book out At some point as well Oh, so me? Yeah, it'll be a good book Alright, so Two days in Monster Mansion What was the next one? The next one was Manchester I went on Ewing there I was there about Two and a half months Got arrested for the murders So that's strange ways Strange ways there What year was this then? This was in 2005 Because we interviewed Loads of people that Had been in strength That was in high school That's a bad joke, you know You know, but The monks aren't bad people I mean, what's that like? He went from Monster Mansion To Strange World Most of the people were strange There's always been Because of the football and that But I've gone there And I've turned up about Half seven in the morning Because I've gone from Wakefield Street There, no court case So I've got All My Stone Island on And I've gone bowling Down the stairs When we blank it And they're all like That's it Who's this cunt? You've got to have paperworks So I've got Talking to a Scarce fellow Two of them Two brothers Porky and Willie Come really good pals of mine And they've said Are you a mate So I've told them They said Hang on, I made a phone call And they said Yeah, yeah, good as gold This lad's good as gold And I was in for drugs And all that Obviously they've phoned Somebody who's in the know From Liverpool And knows us in Nottingham So I got accepted then Without paperwork And then I just cracked on Made the right meal of it And I got knuckled down There's some good lads there They've made some proper Good pals Did you ever sell me? When you just Standard cat A On that unit They like to put you In a cell with someone And I went in with another Because I'm diabetic I went to the cell With a kid called Stuart Granger Absolute brilliant kid He's doing life on that Fantastic kid And he's about to do Out now as well So Proper brilliant kid Fantastic kid Kid called Stuart Granger Absolute brilliant kid He's doing life He's doing life Fantastic kid And he's about to do Out now as well He's about to do out So wait Is he doing life on that? So Proper brilliant kid Love him to be It's with proper Good close pals And next bumped into In full sudden When I was doing the tours Of the top securities And Made a fuss of me And when you get somewhere It's your They take all your stuff off you And you don't get it For two or three weeks So you hit the wing With nothing And then obviously People know you Because people have earlier And then People who know you as well And they come And they bring bags of theirs Food But you're staking chips And that tonight Are you okay for it? I said yes mate Sound And just live That's what you've got to do Went up to 21 stone Come out at 21 stone I did Massive But no training Just eating Fat as if on So you should use A diabetic Yeah dad One stone is 15 pounds Right 15 times 21 is Hey Siri What's 15 times 21? Times 21 is 315 About Off the top of my head 15 times 21 is about 315 Something like that 315 If it takes something like that That's massive I bet it It's diabetic 34 years So at that point in your life Did you add that coma situation Or did you add it? Yeah I know I had the coma in 2004 I'd had it Yeah Let's go back to that Then what happened around then? Yeah Sean is from Liverpool I hear it So let's go back to that then Glad What's going on with you Sean? Honorary scouser here man You know what I'm saying? Please don't block my video You know I was at every drinker in them days And I'd gone on the session I was having an ale not food And I've gone to bed one night And my brother and I had to break in in the morning Because I'm unresponsive So they've broken They've booted the door off They've come upstairs And I've got up swinging So he's knocked me out He's put me on my chin and knocked me clean I phoned an ambulance Carried me in the back of the ambulance And then followed it in his Range Rover Got to the hospital I was asleep for six days Not because of the punch Because my blood sugars went below two millimoles And I went in a coma Did you have the coma before that? No that's the first one I had The first one? Yes But I was in it And when I woke up I've come around on that I didn't know where I was And I didn't know who was who All I could remember is my mom and Colin Didn't know so One of my best friends He got diabetes He was about He was about twenty one stone as well He got diabetes And he lost weight And he was real real skinny Not real skinny He was like Like the size he was supposed to be And then he started taking his medicines But before he started taking his medicines He would go out Turn up all the time And not take him And his foot started tingling And you know in Chicago We think everything is a joke So one day we was talking about each other Like joking around And I was like Okay sugarfoot I'm sorry That's it That's it Alright Didn't know my wife, Sandy Didn't know my children Didn't know nobody Arrendous So how long is the rehabilitation From that getting your memory back? Well it's getting fully back now And that was 2006 Now my short term memory is crap Long term I can remember years ago And my short term life What we've said I don't remember So I have to write things down So when you got to go from the hospital I always wondered how a short time Long time memory loss worked Is it just me or like Okay if you don't have trouble With your short time memory And I say something to you right now And you don't remember it Will you remember it Will you remember it six months later or something The long term memory cool That was six months ago I said it You didn't remember it on the spot But it's a minute ago now Did it come back? Like what's going on? I always had that question Are you thinking where am I going You're these people It was this in the car with me I didn't know And then I ended up walking around Dead confused I thought I'll go for a walk Cause I like a walk I used to have one of those Daff coshes up my sleeve We're gassing People say hell Dave We go gass them And put it back up my sleeve Like a fucking lunatic Didn't know what I was doing Proper added gun But slowly but surely It was coming back And I can remember things You just click one more And you say this happened And then you say to me Can I remember this I say yeah that happened Dave And all that but It's mad Cause you got an interesting legal situation Didn't you whereby Cause of your memory It was part of your defence My defence Talk about that one What was the crime The crime was I had two murders I had a double murder charge For a thing in Skagnes Totally innocent Like every one of us was But the way they did it And how deceitful it was And how they'd done it They ended up convicting three people They got convicted ten to two Hours acquitted twelve to none Everyone believed me But I believe on murder trials And things like that If you're not willing to take the stand And tell them what's happened And what's happened with you and everything They're gonna presume that you're guilty You believe what you're Barrister saying You've got to talk about it You've got to be open and honest And talk about it That's what you have to do mate So I did all that I was in the dock for four days Under constant attack But I swallowed it And I answered every question Cause I weren't lying You see I was telling the fucking gods on his truth And in the end I was acquitted But I was still on remand For the drugs charge I had nine kilo of amphetamine And then they ended up Gaining eight and a half years for that So the media Cause I've been reading the media You're a key And you're gonna set some of this Straight as well So the media And the videos were saying They were linking all the murders Back to like a tit for tat Going back to Jamie was it Yeah when My Jamie He was in a bar We were all phoneers at the bar Cause he's your nephew That's my dude He was like your son wasn't he He was like your son He's my sister's boy But he was always with me I proper looked after him And I used to get father's Decars off him and everything But what's happened in the bar Two fellas are coming I'm not naming them Cause they're not worthy of naming Right but they Talk about it David Don't get them no clout They've gone in the bar They started groping a couple of the birds So the young lads there We used to call the young lads The hyenas Cause when one went in About 20 of them coming You know you just got smashed to folk So they didn't realise everyone's there And once a couple have gone into them The old bars gone into them And they've smashed ash trees And buckles in the faces So a fair patron They've gone and got gondog They want revenge So as they've gone in the car They've phoned Marvin bless him Never been in trouble in his life Just as a worker But they like to pine with the lads So they phoned him up I think about 3.30 in the morning And I was in Spain at the time Right so he's gone to pick him up But the man who's done the beating With the ash trees was a mixed race kid And I won't name him either But they've seen Marvin as mixed race Pull up in the car Get him in the car and drive out As he drove out They've shot him in the head Mistaken identity Totally innocent They've never done a thing wrong in his life Totally innocent Marvin who? Did that Marvin Is he talking about No, cause that other Marvin was a gangster No He can't be talking about Marvin The other guy Y'all know who he's talking about Marvin That guy shot in the face I'm writing from the Jamie I'm just checking on you Jamie sat next to him We obviously blood all over him And I finished He went on a downward spiral And all of them Silly offers and papers And I said he was taking cocaine He was a dorm And he went a dorm And he didn't use cocaine He just went He just went very depressed And on a downward spiral And in the end Pneumonia done him And you know I remember him It was out on the Saturday So I'm going home now Dave I don't feel very well I'm going home I said okay I'll come and pick you up tomorrow So I rang him the next day Never answered his phone I thought I'll leave him lying in And then by that time You're on the session And that's my biggest regret Of my life Not going round his ass To fetch him And then on the Monday morning Of our phone call So he died Oh shit Horrible, mate Horrible But then Because Jamie had died And then The fellas that shot Marvin Right The owners as then on us Because his parents got killed So they're saying Well it must have been them They must have done it And so they put all the work Into me and Colin Of course, yeah But there's a lot of people You know I'm not going to slaughter John Sturlock and Lovely Blake He was one of my best pals The man who got killed So obviously nothing to do with me I didn't know his wife I didn't know what she was But I knew her family You know but Absolutely nothing to do With none of us It sounds like one of the shooters Was into a lot of stuff One of the shooters Of Jamie's mate The killed Jamie's mate Was into a lot of stuff Because there was a news report That said When he got found guilty Through water Through water Over the family members Of his victim It was a mistaken identity So he should have been Feeling remorse And said I'm a bad man He looked like He had a donut in his head Yeah that's what he said I don't give a f Don't give a fuck about anybody That's what he said What's going on with him? He claims he's a bad man Doesn't he You know but He's obviously locked So he's still an Wrong person And drenching them On my dad's Yeah to the parents Absolutely Absolutely So he hit somebody up But it was a mistaken identity Showed no remorse Didn't even care He was It is what it is That's tough It's terrible mate Isn't it? It's terrible Piece of shit I've never had anything So cold in my life Yeah that's cold and flooded No sense No feeling That's what they say isn't it Yeah Yeah Crash dummy Crash it out at every cause He can Alright So all that drama Was going on then And you guys You got the MI5 on you Well the MI5 was a special branch And the only reason I knew At the time I was going out I was going Where was I going Like that And I used to have a burberry bag When we're doing And I've gone through And they've snatched it off My car today And I knew you could take £10,000 out of the country At that time And they said Mr. Goan where are you going With this £10,000 I said What the fuck's he got Who are you So we're officers From special branch And that Right So anyway I've swallowed that I said I'm going to spend it What do you fucking think I'm going to do And talk my bag about it And just went Cause you could have that In those days And they're sat on the plane In front of me And they come to Spain With me and everything So it was them But it was good It was very good It was on your bum It was excellent mate When you go for your Police paperwork And you think From now Where's he come from I've never seen it That guy was on the next table And the Indian restaurant Yeah Taking pictures You don't even see them And you know That's before the days Of the drones and that But yeah It was on you It was good The photos they had God knows So there was Headlines saying Shotting them Now we've got A lot of American viewers Are not familiar Of a lot of this terminology Yeah Could you explain what Shotting them How that came about That name Well, Shotting them Because they were saying There was over 20 shootings A month from that I mean And not just England It's like Syrac I get it It's all over Black on black White on white And everything There was lots of it But it was called Shotting them Because this is not safe Because at the time The police didn't come up Best would We pleased best would At the time The police didn't come up Park or drive around Or anything We did it So could you explain All that If the viewers You saying you pleased it Yeah What does that actually mean Meaning People who Saved someone got burgled They don't phone the police They phone me and Colin Our lads have found out Who's done it Tech and Rand Where I'm in Get the people to tread On the reds And all that Or smash their hands in I used to be in a lot of hoods In America Until it got real Till gang got Till gangs got Too political I guess Or too Too money hungry I don't know It used to be for the people For the people's protection At least in Chicago You know I'm still like a don in the acts But I'm just saying That's you know With Amazon That's the sort of thing That went off in them Burglies went down There was no joy riding on the estate Because of the children None of that And they're playing football on the streets Anybody who joy ride They had their legs done Anybody who stole from us Had their hands done That's what used to happen So I think the Americans would relate That to the kind of like The mafia Don Colin Yeah it was kind of But we weren't no mafia Or out like It was just Just people looking after their zone And you know If someone's burgling your neighbors Let's get the stuff back And make them feel embarrassed And beat them And they're not going to grass you Because they're not They're going to grass themselves Yeah So you just used to put them to sleep So the next terminology then That we need to explain to you Is the burger bar boys What does that mean Ah Where is he from That's what Cartel Oh Nottingham Okay Burger bar boys I remember them They had a feud with the Yardies Or what gang What the hell the gang was in That was another gang With a crazy name I did a reaction on the Burger bar boys verse Burger bar boys They had the Birmingham lads They're relatively With the Johnson's aren't they But I know a lot of the burger bars And I've got a lot of good friends In the Johnson's So I don't get involved in the mix I wouldn't Although they don't like me For talking to one side from the other But it's all jail things You know But yeah There's some good stuff in them And it's all started In the rave days didn't it Where we used to Used to go drilling And slagging each other off On the mic And that's what started it Right Yeah that's what done it So you know Colin What he's written to us He said certain things That he wanted to get The record set straight on And one was There was an undercover cop Who wrote about infiltrating the burger bar boys And has he written about you guys as well? He's written books on us Just to feather his own nest No one's ever met him In best one We call him the crackhead cop Right that's what we call him I'm not going to name him Anyone who wants to Can Google it Right but it was a Complete out and out drug addict And the closest he got to Nottingham was Mansfield On Park benches Smoking crack with junkies Right he's never infiltrated us Let me be straight here In that day when we When we was Proper on top And giving it out Right if we come in the bar And say Sean I didn't know you And seen you in that One of our bars would say Who the fuck are you Who you here with Get gone And get really And then you'd have A more seething at the mouth All the young men If you not come here Don't If you not from here Don't come here Type of time That's normal still A little bit Tall tall tall reddit Shall we do it Shall we do it Say no you're not I don't even go nowhere Where I'm unfamiliar I call it this out of bounds All that well When I was in Chicago If he was going in Different neighborhood Out of bounds Not going But that's how it was In the end You'd just be 200 300 of us in the pubs And if you didn't know As person What's he doing in there Who wants to sit in a bar With 200 youths Who are firing And sniffing And smoking And tall dot You're not going to Want to sit there Unless you're old bill So you just get rid of Them I love how this dude And his lingo is A1 Tier top tier That's how it was Yeah So we didn't There's no way We've ever been infiltrated By the old bill Anybody Never been infiltrated And then because Of all this Then you get You get the wanker Orphans And all that Calling your brother Names in that Unfounded And I've got all the Evidence here Off the police Because in the Police paperwork It says Doesn't if you Infiltrate you or not So you know right away That's why they do it That's why they do the bugging Because that comes after If you can't be infiltrated They put Tags in your ass And cameras in your ass And the favourite one Is where they shoot Into your carpet Through your letterbox They fire an arrow Into your thing I had one in my ass For four months They fire a pin Some minute pin And you can't track Into your carpet Through your letterbox And it has an 100 meter radius Can hear every Conversation Yeah Holy shit They have had it all 100 meter radius 100 meter radius In your ass So you're sat there Whispering in your living room When your door shut They can hear you Shagging your missus They'll hear you Shagging your missus So kids Who are thinking about Getting into the drugs Life style Don't do it Think you just Delete your text And they're not going to Catch you What do you say to these kids You've got gangsta right I say Don't do it My mate Get a job Live your life Don't end up like Me and my brother Poe Seriously I second that, man In that type of game Money got to be revolving You really can't spend A lot of money Unless you're very, very smart Just go ahead Get a nine to five, man We'll pick up that camera Be a YouTuber Yeah, Nick They're going to take everything You've got And you're going to come out Scratching your knackers Thinking what am I Going to do now But you're going to be Wanted like Jesse James You can't do fuck all So keep away from it Get a job And make your mam and dad Proud It's got to the point now in America If you're a teenager In your parent's car And you've got weed in the car Cops seize the car And keep it Don't they? Civil asset Forfeiture law I don't know what part of America You're talking about, sir No, they do not Maybe in Alaska No, not even Alabama Not even I don't even know What year was this shot? What year was it? But in most states Marijuana in America I am in America I'm in Florida Most states weed is legal If it's not legal recreational It's legal medicinal And you can carry up to 28 grams So I don't know where Let's go throw that out there And even if you Even if you have a smaller mountain Back when it wasn't legal to cops I don't know In Chicago at least I'm going to speak on behalf of Chicago I can't speak nowhere else They just going to throw it out Or keep it for themselves Allegedly Yeah, yeah Just have it now So your mam and dad lost the car Yeah, yeah, yeah A few tickets Fuck it all So there was a few other stories and legends That you guys wanted to address You and your brother wanted to address There was a journalist wasn't there? Yeah, there's a journalist We call him the co-caid journalist I'm not going to mention his name He's not worthy of it But he's wrote books on us Complete fabrication He's labeled my brother a police Y'all had a crackhead cop A co-caid journalist That's tough Former Which could Entirely put his life at risk In the prison estate You know And then what he's done then He's fed the information On to other journalists Then it gets It's repetitive It gets repeated and repeated And repeated But Colin's got no voice Because he's Iris Cate He's been Iris Cate For 17 and a half years now So now I've got all the information Here off the police You've had a copy Sean And yeah so All the information off the police Say Colin's never been an informant And he's never been paid for information And at the time Of the so called informing It was 2001 to 2002 Been in Spain for two year on the run For some afraid You know so you can't possibly be informing Especially on other gangs That ain't my brother Anybody who knows me And my brother knows That won't be tolerated You'd just be gone So you know I've watched these videos And these journalists Or YouTubers or whatever They're just like Same with authority And this year You know Colin became a police informant And that's how he was able to like Keep you know The cops Wouldn't investigate him for things You know what that is man Go investigate his competition And shit A lot of these little channels man They just go out here And they just try to get clicks Likes And they're trying to They're trying to say Whatever makes a club Get a like Whatever gets views man Whatever gets you reshared Oh Wesley let me share this So people know now man There's no factual There's no real journalism Behind it There's no real craftsmanship There's no real respect That they have for their own work You know what I'm saying I don't like when When people do that Shot journalism That ain't even That's not even True to the game You know what I'm saying I've been doing so many reactions Like That'd be my opinion man I'd be seeing it I'd just be like I don't know Work states you Like demand Man where Who said Where does this say that at This all This all come from the thing We had a pal who Who was the manager of the shop Limies One day I mean I don't have nothing To do with Old Bill or anything But one day The fellow we were running He's rang our call up He says Call Charlie is joining the Old Bill And he said He'll be good for information And that But Colin said I'm not interested in me But in the end Because you say you're in town And people would get whacked Or get whacked out Or get dressed up And you'll say Your phone J Or you'll say J That's Charlie Who's grassy and me And then People going around Having a word And all the chargers were Dropped You can't do it now But in them days That's what used to happen And then it's gone From that To Was buying him £1,000 Armani suits And all the Pollux It never happened Never happened I don't know If Colin Never gave him a drink Through J But you know They're buying scooters Right So a couple of the old bill Used to come down there They had an opening party And that Used to be there And they'd probably say leave it They don't say it They're buying scooters off Does David Gunn Have a Most dangerous man With What's his name? Danny Dyer That's where he may be That's where I might have seen him at We used to go to Vietnam Getting all the scooters Doing them all Vespers and lambrettes And they're selling them in his shop But you know But no informing And no payments You know But I think they all got Jay in the end Because of Charlie Jay Groke got free I think Charlie Fletcher So Fletcher's the one The dominant one in the news stories is That Colin Put this guy into the police force Yeah, nonsense Never met him Never met him Never met him And then The junkie author In his book He's saying that Colin was at school with him And all that Was either the author Or the crackhead one Was in his book One of them books Colin was at school with him And that Colin's a lot older than him You know, he went on to school with him People be saying anything Just to make their story connect Just to make their story make sense Like, I'd be listening Like, this isn't real life too I hurt like This is like habitual liars People just lie, lie, lie, lie Just to make themselves sound right Even be believing themselves sometimes Crazy No one knowing Never met him That's one of the other myths Then that we wanted to dispel There was a woman Wasn't there that was saying things About Colin Yeah, yeah, yeah Well, that one was I mean, the fella's doing life now I won't mention his name But he's doing life for a murder In Nottingham He was out with his wife at the time And her friend was out So she said she fancied Colin So he's ran Colin Come out for a drink with us, Colin His bird fancies you So Colin's gone out And he's met this bird And at the end of the night They've gone back to an hotel But she's sat up all night Sniffing coke and taking pills So nothing's gone off And then it's gone on for about Another two or three days And he's never done her But she's then gone to the police If she skits a friend of his Turned out she is Right, but she's gone to the police And they've had her for nine weeks And she's saying to him Yeah, Colin's told me about The murders of the Stirlands We've had gang meetings In basements with drug dealers Constant bollocks What she was telling But anyway, the information Was that reliable? She weren't even a witness On the murder charge You know, it was just total nonsense And they knew it were total bollocks And they had a nine weeks That's it I mean, I don't even know the bird's name But just disregard everything she says But then you get the offer Then jumping on it Colin had a penchant for teenage girls He didn't have a penchant for teenage girls It went out with a young girl at 19 Colin was 32, I think She was 19 And they lived together for a few weeks That was it You know, but You don't make your sex offender She's 19 for folks' sake Our married at 19 Between kids It's just desperation, isn't it? Yeah, desperation Because if you're throwing off shit Some's gonna stick somewhere Exactly Some will stick And to destroy your image You've got to destroy the name So once they destroy the name By saying you're a grass You're this You shag teenage girls Your myth's gone You know, and that's how they do it Yeah All the time All the time Yeah, just complete workers, mate That's what they like to do That and that going on right now So as you're getting Around your longer sentences then When was Colin actually sent down For his big one? It was on trial for the murders We started I was on remand I was on remand in January 05 I went on trial for the murders For four months in I think it was June Yeah, June June the 6th, 06th And then it finished in about October What was it? October Yeah, hectic Hectic Lots of security Lots of security Every now and again Because it was all iris catesi So you're strapped up in suits And we're prisoner on the back And I'm fairly copters Cars, guns All around the courts Guns are drawn Anyway, every now and again They're rushing to the court Aiming Mac Tens And all that And then Eklu and Kosh Rifles And the jury are doing that Ahh Just to show it's us That they're there for You know, that's what they were doing And the judges stand up Get out of my court And all that So the me can fuck off out the court But the damage is done The damage is done Because every morning you see When the jury are coming in The jury was under police guard So they couldn't be infiltrated Declaiming So as they're pulling into court We're pulling in at the same time And there's all coppers Down the middle of the road Like that Dogs on roofs Helicopter over in a pub We aren't police hanging out And that's how you pull into the gates And the jurors see you They know it's you So to make sure they know it's you They fucking rush the court With guns at So then they think Yeah, this is them This is who they are Coming into this armed escort So that's an implied guilt To the jury These guys are so heavy We've got to do It's a tad dick as a word They thought We've got to do all this 35 grand a day for transport I know that for four months They spent millions on it Absolute millions Just shake that all the time Yeah, it's just fucking nonsense Nonsense, mate So what Like, did you get to look at the jury And all that? Yeah, you select them Your QC select them So I think we had 50 odd And you just picked 12 out of them But, you know, you say You don't select them Your QC's and the judges select them On the clerk of the court But you turn around and say I don't like him He looks this or he looks this Or I know his face But we didn't know the faces Because it was the middle of Birmingham But you get rid of who you think You don't like Because some people have that Wrong look about them If they'd have found you guilty So there's like jury selection That's... They do that in America too, right? How much time would you got? I'd have died in prison When we've got a river got a 35 I'd have got the same This podcast is sponsored by Harry's Harry's is way more than a super sharp razor company They're here to revamp your whole Unfortunately, I can't do razor shaves But salute for you, my boy For getting your coin You for supporting Harry's Link is in the description box below this video So you're saying that They found you not guilty And they found him guilty That's what happened Yeah, because No one gave evidence Everybody who gave evidence for themselves Was acquitted The three who didn't give evidence They got potted So I've always said You've got to give evidence But they'll attack you And throw that much stuff at you You're in serious trouble And especially people like my brother And he just needs your temper He's still not offering them out When they're mentioning Jamie You bastards and all that He used to lose his temper by saying But you have to kind of calm down a bit Don't you? In that scenario Because you want a good standing You want them to think You're not a div And you're quite intelligent I grew up in here I had curly hair I had glasses on I looked like a fucking nuns But it done me It done me He's a sex offender Not a murderer And all that And I got acquitted What the fuck? What are you laughing at? Like take a spree Don't bring in the verdict What was it for you? What was going through your head? There was out for about five weeks The jury was out And we thought it'd be out a couple of days And the question was You swear to me? You swear every day You just sit downstairs Then the area Ring ring Court one Everyone's court one You think you're a verdict Up you go It's a question They want a question Five weeks of that That's torture Just questions it was torture me But you know me I 100% knew I've done nothing wrong And I've told the truth So I've got nothing to hide And my brother and them They're innocent But they've been found guilty Say it's an uphill struggle now Well even though you knew You were innocent The court is theatre isn't it And they've spent all that money They've put in the best theatre show Haven't they? And the best actors win it Yeah But I had a QC Called Trevor Burke It was absolutely outstanding I had Orlando Pernall first But he had He'd done the Omer bombing After that So I got Trevor Burke So absolute outstanding Brilliant QC And no prisoners So that helped your confidence Yeah Well it helped your confidence Because you know You know you think you've Clued up on it all But legal jargon Delusion Delusion with it all So you're writing things down And giving them notes And they're saying yeah And all that But really they're thinking Fuck off I've got this Yeah that's exactly what it is Man It's legal Warriors and judges Speak an entirely different language Like so even if you think You queued up You know what to do What you're doing If you ain't really really Really deep into a book Really really learning the lingo And how to say things And how do you know what I'm saying How to Oh Case da da da da da In the past It's like you know what I'm saying And unless you know how to do that Just let your Hope for the best man If you've got a public service If you've got a public servant Or a public defender See you When you get out It's in the bag And they used to come down After they said it's in the bag They'd don't worry about it It's in the bag So I was quite confident with it Until the verdicts come in I thought fuck it there we go Because John, John and Tricky were first They got found guilty Then When they got found guilty You figured out we're all fucked Fuck me They've got found guilty We're fucked here Then Lionel He got found not guilty McKinnon got found not guilty Shane Bird Not guilty Kevon not guilty Colleen guilty Then me not guilty So you were last? I was last, yeah How did it feel when they found your brother guilty? Devastated me mate Devastated because Really I should have been the happiest man in the world But I was gutted I was glad I couldn't be happy So that's it now You've got the downer at heart And the upper of you And the upper of you know You're gonna be going Clashing at me But they clashing and colliding And just imploding Because I'm thinking I mean man's gonna feel She'll be happy for me But she can't show happiness Because of me brother And all that You know how your family's gonna feel It was a horrible time mate But you know After being on remand for two years In the end Because of the drug charge and everything And getting found not guilty You don't get an apology You just get looked at Like you've got to leave with it Then they take all your dough off you Yeah That's what they do Yeah Even people are innocent On death row They don't get an apology Don't get an apology No apologies They'll give you a few quid And you'll give them But I never even got a few quid I never got folk all Like talk Yeah So you were released right away that day? No mate No I went downstairs I thought I'll play this fucker here So I went downstairs I said not guilty cunt under the gate I'm off Let me out the cell I said no we're waiting for the warrants To come back with the gun So now get the fucking door undone My family are out there I want to go Anyway they come back So now you're on remand For a conspiracy You're cunt You're fucking stating it You've got to stay in for a bit I stay Hold on Hold on My bad That's the poor duck at the end to this I'm off Let me out the cell I said no we're waiting for the warrants To come back with the gun So now get the fucking door undone My family are out there I want to go Anyway they come back So now you're on remand For a conspiracy You're cunt You're fucking stating it You've got to stay in for a bit I stayed in for another two and a half years Two and a half years Yeah and then That's how they be doing you man You beat one case They check if you got anything else out They gonna get you for something else I was released I was in I got barred from the old city Nottingham I had a big red map Where I couldn't enter on the M1 I had to go through Darby The next junction And all that I took it to Orkiston And all that places And then I got recalled for swearing I swore in a hostel Called someone a fat bastard One of the women who were there It took me on the edge with a letter Saying you're late Mr. Gunn That's your final warning You broke your curfew I said I'm not on a curfew Curfew's lifted every Tuesday So I'm like that Pissed up So I snatched a fucking envelope threw it in the face Said fuck off you fat bastard I see the manager about you In the morning Five o'clock in the morning Five guns in my head Off you go Off you go Back to Cattay Went to Woodhill Straight back to Falsotton Cattay again So was there I wouldn't say it was just for swearing Mr. Gunn But you know I was like Yeah Time that you were serving with me Brother Yeah yeah It was Unremanned Me and my brother was the first Remanns at Long Lawn Because at the time At Wakefield Right We were just dead blasé Thought we were the king of the wing We're not nonsense We do what we're fucking Well Unremanned for two murders What you're going to do about it You know What can you say Anyway my cell door's gone in one I've got the phone on me I asked And there's a battery on charge Under me What? We're not going to zoom past that Yeah We're fucking one Well Unremanned for two murders What you're going to do about it You know What can you say Anyway my cell door's gone in one I've got the phone on me I asked And there's a battery on charge Under me Fucking Big power bastard It's on charge They got the battery Said Where's the phone there I said I had guns left The battery there And I got five days CC I've gone on a visit There's me I call in and Charlie Brunson So I'm on a visit Made a fuss of each other We sat there on the visit And they've come to terminate Your visit Wait what year was the phone up there Because technology didn't get to where it is Till nowadays where they got them Look Now my You're gone Straight to reception Gone Long lot Yeah First romance there What was the first time you met Charlie Brunson Charlie I met Charlie in 98 Was on E-Wing at Lincoln There was a special unit At the back of C-Wing And he come off here And he used to have the medicine board Called Bertha Fucking brilliant though Brilliant bridge to the 100 press-ups 100 sit-ups And he won't get banged up Till he's done them all on every landing And then he'd run around the landing Dead fast Absolutely fantastic me Fucking brilliant Loved him Did you see him deck on your guards Yeah He swung out a few At Wakefield When was all on the special unit there You know You have this five yards And you have me Me and Colin in one Because we co-accused them family Charlie being one This big sit-sit right And another You know all going down And Charlie will start exercising He'll cover himself in cocoa butter And all that Sweating up to four They'll say time to come in Charlie Fuck off you slag For you to say And then it was on Used to come out with a team handed And he'd brawl them But you can't help him Because you're locked in In your fucking thing You can't get out And there's cages between you You can't get out mate But Charlie's game was full Mate it was a full something We was in the seg there We was sending bits over Good stuff And he's still in hella shape But Dave caught in them They had a free Charlie Bronson fight A colleague all years ago So Charlie rang me right And he says Dave You've let me down You fucking said you was coming To this free Charlie dude And I said Charlie I was there mate I sat with your brother And your mother Was all there I've got a picture And I'm going to post it to you today He says you're fucking Well my brother told me You weren't there So I posted the picture Then he wrote to me I'm really sorry Dave He said you was there Thank you for the picture And all that He says he's a tosser My brother He went mad about it But he don't mean it You know he's just not He's been made to look daft But I love Charlie I do A proper good pole Do you think you'll get out? Yeah He was like no no Oh wait Charlie I said I was there I was there sir please Don't you oil up And come for me I hope so But he's got a long Long uphill battle mate We've had to play him Yeah my mate Kerry Danes Who's a forensic psychologist She's helping him Yeah oh yes she is I've seen her on Them thing crime channels Yeah yeah She's good Yeah she is good Yeah Blondie bird isn't it Yeah yeah What about was it Maudsley Maudsley Can you explain to the viewers who he is Robert Maudsley I think he's I think he's took the schools off Off a couple and said he's At the brains He's a Welsh kid But he's never getting out He's doing a natural life And he's a proper expert With computers He teaches the staff now Through glass He's a wizard with computers And it's just a proper Brainy kid But you don't see much of him And he won't speak to you But he'll nod at you as he's walking past Because on them units You're on single unlock So when he's in a cage Maudsley He's a glass cage So you walk by and say Rob you alright He said And he'll nod at you You know if he got needed He'd want to kill you wouldn't he Because not that you're nonsense But you just want to kill He wants to kill everybody But Charlie didn't like him Charlie hated him How did that manifest I don't know it's just Over years of being on In them I think it's Because he's a weirdo And Charlie's into fitness And that he just wants to lie In his bed And walk him down his cell Yeah a few of our guests Have said they saw Maudsley And they describe it as Like a Hannibal Lecture Hannibal Lecture Yeah in the glass box That's what he's in on What was his name Charlie Maudsley What was Maudsley I gotta look that up That seems like an Interesting character I ain't even gonna lie to you I know Charles Brunson As we did the reactions on him I can never heard of this guy On the SSU of Wakefield Downstairs Somebody put some of these Names in the comments man I'm trying to listen I can't write at the same time I'm getting text messages Remember I've been here For two hours now This is a two hour reaction Give me a break please Because didn't he like Was it his cell mate Or he got a couple of minutes Cell Yeah he spooned the brain Like they said he had The brain whether he did Or he did not But he killed him In them days he had Them fucking silver trays With the three compartments On the top of the heads Of the side of the tree And dug the reds out Dugged the brain out Didn't he go to the garden Said there's gonna be One less recount Two off tonight Two off tonight But the time before that Was when he went to Broadmo And it was one off then I think he's done three But you know Obviously in jail Things get added on and that Because I've never Come on man That gotta be a fabricated story What do you mean you did What to the top of his what And did what to the inside of it We really spoke to him about it I love to talk to people About things like Michael Stone I've been saying he's innocent For decades Right and he is innocent He is innocent man I love an innocent guy And we had him on the channel Was Kevin Lane Kev Lane's my good pal Yeah I love Kev Lane Catwalk Kev Catwalk Kev Yeah brilliant Brilliant kid Yeah Proper proper good kid Fittest man in the system And Liam Art Lane used to call him Because he used to just flatten him Fittest man in the system He made no one fault with Kev What prison did you meet him in I was in I think I was in Long London with him to start with And then years later I bumped into him in Franklin I was on F-Wing I think he was on E-Wing And we used to go to the gym Because he had the record for rowing Record for everything Fittest man in the whole system Kev Lane Super fit Yeah Super fit Proper proper good kid And I love it When I seen him on your podcast Because I had a look And I seen him I thought Oh he's out mate Thank God for that Because it was a long slot for him They recall him for a bit He's out now I know he got record for about nine months didn't he Yeah He's out now a blessing But you know I know people who know him Always nice questions Because he was dating that Kerry Katona someone He was in the paper Whether he was or not He was dating Kerry Katona At one stage So go on Kev Good lad So did you say you had History with Dave Courtney then Yeah Courtney I met Courtney He was one of our first podcasts Yeah Courtney's all right Also interesting in doing Sean Atwoods Because you know how you want to have Like I want to see I know he got one Documentary somewhere Or he's been on somebody's back I'm going to check it out This Lord to him The cock is in that slot He unfounded me I like Dave I do But I was in Marbelle with him Years ago And you know We had a proper Session with him And all his entourage But under a degree And they've all got suits on And fucking hats And everything I can't believe it And I'm sweating for him But they put good stuff on me And on the plane back The funniest thing I've ever heard He's come down the plane He was with the emcee at the time I thought Julia was Or something the name was A black lady But he's come down the plane And said No he gunned He's ecstasy What you got And all that I thought Fuck you know me I wanted like Jesse James as it is Just fucking I took me right up blessing And then later I was in Woodhill again With Manny Clark The boxer From that way And he was mates with Courtney And Manny's been a good pal So I used to say To him He used to address me And he started writing to Cornia Writing back to me To say Remember this in Marbella And all that And he could remember me Bless him And when we had the free Charlie fire It made a fuss of each other there Because he obviously remembered me And I'll never forget him Because one of the first books I read When I was in Moreland As a younger one Would stop the bus That was one of the first ones I read Because I was You know tellies in them days Just reading Yeah I said Well man that book When he was Stop the bus I want to get off Not a bad book Bless him He's fucking hilarious Dave Oh it's funny his fault If people want to go back and watch Is it the first ten podcasts we ever did We were at his house Sean you do a really good job Of making people feel at home On your podcast I swear like It just seems like two good friends Having a conversation And y'all might be good friends That's maybe why he feels so Able to talk openly like this Or you know he's talking about cases That have already been Signed sealed and delivered But still like This is a good podcast man And it's like homely It's just It's not overdone It's not over the top It's just a couch I feel like you do your podcast Wherever you at Let's set up the camera And let's go One camera One mic on top of the camera Straight through I'd love to do a part two of him as well So It's gonna try to arrange that Yeah So have you got any stories from Spain Spain? Yeah I had a few good stories in Spain I lived there for five years I had a few doing all the tobacco and all that Were you on the run out there? Yeah I was on the run out there Yeah But you should have had a villa there When Colin was on the run He was in my villa then I was But I was out there and coming back My friend obviously sadly died now But in those days You could go to the post office With the ID and get a year's passport So you shouldn't get a year's passport Come back on it Get another one and go back Yeah And do all that But Spain was great man We used to go through the Pyrenees With the fags So you'd pay the gypsies to take you through On your lorries and that We had a good time We loved it What about the police? They only don't mess with me Are they? The civil guard? The guard is civil I remember one time The lads had come out to see me And you know The old potheds and that So we were on the strip One of them was built So split for the boss He can't do that in air chopper He said I'm chopper Dave He said do what the fuck I want So anyways Lit it up at the bar So if the guard is civil Snatched it out He's up and cut it in Getting that bang Half a fuck's sake chopper So guns was out And he's gone off The wrestling They've gone And never seen him again For two weeks Never seen him But they never got him They just did Because they knew it was on It was fucking on top On top to fuck me I said you should never Have done that mate Because they'll remember you You know They'll remember you And fill you in In Benidorm Have a white cross on the mountain And that's where it's Villador That's funny They go there and I'm here Did you end up in the Nick in Spain? No mate Not me He lived in Yeah Used to do a few Never get in trouble Somewhere that's not Your homeland You know what I'm saying Like if I come to the Not if When I come to the UK I'm the model citizen I am Hey How are you Shaking hands Yes Please stop All the way at the stop sign Look both way You feel me Like I'm not getting in trouble In foreign land You have bits and bobs for people Just to get a few quid You know You have to serve a few up on that Who have been faced it But Get a few quid out of it To keep you going Yeah While you're waiting for your door To come in and that You've got a graft on you How did you been on the run end? To come back Come back But in those days What I'd done I'd shot at a DJ Pistol shot at a DJ Playing the wrong tune And in the younger days So I've had to fuck off What tune was it? Some Elvis tuner Something like that But we want to know the rave tunes In the bog Bro, I was not feeling Elvis He was trying to rave out Blick something for Elvis Bang bang bang Shot the fucking DJ equipment Not the DJ, the DJ equipment All bowed out Laughing his heads off I fucked off straight away In the next morning And all the doors are going in And I'm in Spain Get lovely tender off Sometimes On the off Seven days in one week Yeah, great times Great times But obviously all the lads Lived out there Had a good time Yeah Good time out there mate Enjoyed it So going through the prison system You've done 20 plus years Who would you say is the most Dangerous people you've ever met? Well, in normal prisons Anywhere For your life Dangerous people There's a lot of serious dangerous people There's a real, real, lot of serious Dangerous people, mate But then these people Who just don't take no shit And don't give two fucks Who aren't dangerous But will turn dangerous So the best thing to do in jail Is just be friendly with everybody The best thing to do is just knock off You can't be don't bully Don't need to bully Earn a few quid If you get a few bits Be right with them And everyone wants everything, don't they So you just live your life And fill your freezer Be respectful You've got to be respectful And polite And don't look down your nose at people Because you're no better than anybody else Because you're all cons Don't matter if you've got A million and a half quid outside You're spending 25 quid a week in there So it don't matter how much You've fucking got, you're all the same What do you think about this New generation of armed robbers And dealers who come in now And are getting life back in the late The teenagers really And they're just fast to shoot people They're fast for it now aren't they I mean, in our family It was fast, wasn't it But not this fast It's just right Now all the young ones They're not going to All walk around with them And you've got to be careful Who you look at Who you talk to Don't detect one pole I mean you can be fast But you're not going to stop A nine mil Or a 38 Oh yeah When you stop it You know, because your family Has got a name And people, young people Think right, that's the old generation We can make our name Of that generation Have you ever experienced Any situations like that People have come up to you And say look We're going to do this We're going to do that Like drugs and things And I'll educate them I'll say look Do it this way mate Because I did it that way And I got Nate And they look at you And they do this Like what a div You don't know what it's all about You do it because you Don't know what it's all about You know, but To trick us, don't get in Fridge or something I think that's human nature though That's human nature In general man That ain't just no You know what I'm saying Hustlers and ambition That's just human nature People don't want to listen to people Even if they've been through What they've been through They want to walk their own path Instead of taking advice Which is, you know Now that I'm older A little older I'm like that's stupid I should have listened If I were to listen to a lot of things That were said to me I'd be so much further You know what I'm saying I'm cool I'm good But I'd be way further What is your... No, they're blasé mate They're on the one track mind They just want wealth And they want it fast And in the course of the wealth If people knock them And don't pay them they'll wig them Why do you think it's become so deadly? I don't know mate I don't It weren't like that in our day But then in our day There weren't many guns about it They're prevalent now mate They're everywhere They're re-boring them You know starter pistols again Reborn and filled in at the top But I don't know People say it's the rap scene It's the drill scene and all that But it's not It's the people themselves You know You obviously want to do it Or you want to do it You can say I listen to that And I'm going with the flow But you don't have to carry a gun You don't have to mate Or knives Knives are worse than guns for me Can't stand blades Yeah, interesting Did you ever get attacked at all Throughout your incarceration? No, never No, never mate Did you see some heinous violence Oh yeah Or what kind of stuff I've seen slashings with about 300 nature from the neck to the waist When it was going off with the Muslims in that From the neck to the waist? I've seen slashings with about 300 nature from the neck to the waist When it was going off with the Muslims in that It was going off bad Slow down on that one What do you mean he was going off with the Muslims? Full-sortened, right They would say Obviously you get your white lads And you get your mixed-race lads A lot of them are Muslim And that's the Muslims And the Asians are Muslims predominantly But lovely kids But you have a Muslim ruler On each wing of full-sortened And one's an overall ruler And he was on A-wings I mean a London kid I'll mention his name But he was an overall ruler of them So if he put a knit on you There'd be 40 of them Waiting for you near the gym And you're running up Like we used to go up In a gang of 40 and 50 Or to the gym on his own Or the whites But some of the times One of the lads would run up front And they were waiting To jump out Slash you to full Face back A lot Even though Heenus Outrageous You know Because you probably said Someone run to him So what had this person done They got a 300 Well I think Each in one of them And then what they used to do then On the wings now The wind is up and that big So everyone made shanks You file them all down Off the ironing board Legs and things like Off the light fittings Snap them off File them all down And flick them out of the window So they go in the grass So as you go out You pick your tool up Put it down your waist And that's how it was People getting stabbed Regular Everyday stabbing Slashings Hot water and sugar The napalm You know all that nonsense Regular thing With muslims and whites But because I had I had friends as muslims And I had obviously My friends are white as well But a lot of the Johnson crew Was the muslims And there was Good close pals On romance together With Woodill And double murder trials Together and all that All in the same crown courts So they used to say now man No one's moving to D If anyone moves to D It's on and all that Because obviously I'm having it With the whites But wave at them Didn't want to get involved with me Don't get involved In all that nonsense Strict unit Because I had a lot of co-defendants And they were involved That's crazy Because like Most of the time It's like You don't have a choice To get involved They don't give you that choice But maybe because Your name rang bells They didn't put that Apply that pressure to you Like that You know what I'm saying Races But when you go in America It's all separated Yeah Yeah I know it might have been there Was there any riot situation? No never no riots In top securities But you know Yeah because in jail In prison here In prison here You roll with your race So whatever gang you are Outside of prison You can really Throw that to the Throw that to the wind If you in big prisons You better go You got to go with your race Of course you can have your subdivisions But like You got to go with your race Because if there's a big prison thing This is what I've heard My boy served Six years in federal prison He said if there's a big prison Thing going on You got to get with your race And if you don't You go against that Then you're not going to be protected There was bros on the wings Where the screws had legged Contained the wing Lock it off Shield it all off So no one can get on or off And then the mufti will come on And take the ones who's responsible Hold on man Hold on now I'm trying to find something It's very relevant To what I got going on right now There it is Found the guys But the bank Everybody up first It won't ever come and grab you Why the wings are out Because A con in a dispersal Won't see another con twisted up You're just good for them If they're jumping another con Or the screws The cons will jump then That's what you had to do in them days That's the motto And it's awful one on one for all So that was it mate So a few of our guests have come on And in the more recent years They said that the Muslim Prison population has grown To the point now where it is The strongest The strongest now Especially in top securities Strong as four But there's a lot of good lads in them There's some good lads in the tourist They're quite witty And you'll get them The Ed Muslim of the wing When it's fucking Ramadan It'll come round Take your photos down Gives you TV Gives you mattress Take everything off And put it outside the cell You're not allowed to look at eyes And all that Which is the sharia thing Isn't it? And that's what they're living on But you know Don't knock them That's their thing So leave it with me I don't knock them Don't criticise them If that's what you want to do You do that You know I've not told you to eat a bacon sandwich But I'm cooking my fucker It's as simple as that So over your many years in prison then Have you seen drug culture change? Drug culture change Now it's all that ballot's mamba now It's biased But you know what they're doing it with They're mixing it Well there was one now On my last sentence They were mixing it with floor cleaner And something There's points Some other mixture in with it And selling it for 100 quid A4 paper And people smashed Clapping on yards and that Smoking paper And just gone Gone on the yard Fucking horrendous me And then we used to say Phone of mambulance That's what we used to say to them Is phone of mambulance We've just gone Phone of mambulance There was a collapse in all over the jail It's a bad pandemic Terrible So I was in from like 2002 to 2007 And it was mostly heroin My whole son had some crystal meth A lot of injecting going on But it's all that change then Yeah there's no heroin now mate Unless a junkie or fancy someone You'll swallow a bit But it's all that mambulance There's no jail in it And people are winking out on the mambulance Yeah gone Gone But I remember the heroin days Where they were just sitting there doing that Scratching them Just scratching the balls The nose The red nose Fucking terrible And then then days I was happy when I answered Squidgy black And just sit and roll a few spliffs And get your nappa down Yeah Just take you out of the zone for a bit Did you prefer having cellmates Or not having cellmates I don't like cellmates I've never really had them I had to do it Because there was a diabetic And we helped each other But after that I've never had a cellmate since Is that like in the toilet With someone in there Yeah well You have your toothbrush there And you can't let people have it A shit or fart Where your toothbrush is Yeah And all that So I used to wrap mine up When I was research Wrap it up Because I'm dead with OCD With things So I had to wrap them up And everything But after that I said listen I was so shit about me I was like I'm going to fucking kick off I'm not So the longest sentence is You slip into a routine It goes That's going fast Yeah What was your routine My routine I did I only ever trained legs Never done top off But I was stronger Four con legs I was pressing 4 70s But I could only get 7 Never got 10 I never heard of that I was only doing legs Never doing upper body Like what do you mean Like what Is there a reasoning behind Or is that just How you was feeling I was curling 340s And all that My legs were massive But I've not been For about 5 years now But my routine Was to gym 3 times a week In the morning And come back Because I was a cleaner on the wing Fry a breakfast Or have a good breakfast A good protein shake Get your food out of the freezer For your night-time meal You know You're foray on the food boat So one day Someone will cook a chicken curry Next day It's steak and chips You had a bit of salmon You had all sorts of Bolognese All that sort of stuff It was good routine And here I am Eating McVetti's rich teas And tea And Yorkshire tea Tea, mate And you put some good size on This is what The American viewer Is very curious about Because in Supermax In America You can't You can't You can't even get yourself And you can't You can't see And he's restricted 24-7 23 23 hours a day 7 days locked down That's like I'll tell you man In the UK In that aspect When it comes to food And leisure time Y'all be chillin' Did Give you a little anti-shank Thing you can write letters With anti-shank Toothbrush Like this And They let you out For handball Like every 3 or 4 days They will handball But they come and shout it Like 4 in the morning When you sleep So you don't hear it Yeah It sounds like You've got a lot more Liberties In the top securities I'd rather be in them If I ever got locked up Again Fuck your sea cats And bee cat trainers Send me back to All proper people For they're all proper people The majority's never leaving The prison again And they all respect each other Unless he goes off You know proper folk Cos it doesn't go off as much Cos there's more serious Consequences It's death It's death It's death mate The consequence is You're going in the fucking grand If it's on you So have you seen it go off? I've seen it go off loads of times Could you give any stories on that? Well I was in I had A cell I mentioned His name I watched him kill somebody In long law And stabbed his throat out There's been a few of them There's been a few good stabbings Where they've gone Yeah There's been a few of me But the kid He was doing life And got another 25 year on top So a lovely kid from London as well Another Londoner Lovely kid called Dave My good, good, good pal Was like that Where he was A full son He said he was doing life With another 25 on top So for anybody If you're in most of these People get life With a minimum Served of 21, 23 years And something like that Sometimes lures, sometimes iron But you gotta go I mean Until probation But ain't no getting out If you If you add 25 to it That's, that's, you done That calls good mate now as well So you're saying it's It's usually over charges Or it's over debts Well look If you're a beast And you're coming on the main wing You're gonna get fucking killed You can't come on the wings You can't Or you're a grass You're a nuns You go on the numbers mate Why would they fly undercover? Well people People just like Like to be classed as normal Don't they A lot of nuns Don't think they've done it wrong Right Don't they mean so Even though they know the consequences Of death are a bit Or if it's naive are they Well I don't know if it's naivety Or what But some of them are just Fucking blaséed To what's gonna happen to them Right And then they walk They're walking off And there's a big fucking tool Langing out inside your neck And you hit the ground And you're gone Yeah But you should have said Hey this for sure Getting a yellow mark I ain't even gonna try On the numbers You're bastards That's what I say So you see those guys Get filtered out fast then Yeah What about disputes Between the fellas Does that have a kick off? Well what they'll do It kicks off regularly But mainly fighting Not a lot of stabbing Have a dispute Say your stereo's too loud Turn your fucking stereo down I can't hear the telly And it'll go off So in the morning So I'm gonna be Pacing the cell up And down on that parer You'll hear him Shocking up And you're telling Leave it out mate Leave it out We'll sort it in the morning So they'll come out in the morning Down the block And then they'll come up They'll shake hands in the block They'll come on the wings But then It's festering then So it goes off again And that's when they have to Get rid of one of them One has to go You can't keep it Once it kicks off You've got to shift one of them Or if it kicks off For example If it kicks off with you And you've got 30 pals on the wing They're not gonna move you They'll move this feather Yeah Because of all your pals Are all getting You know what I mean That's how it is Yeah that makes sense That makes sense Right off you see And punch it out Then they're having a hug In your mind You think I'm gonna kill you You couldn't That's how it is But hey you're right So it's festering There was a kid called Ian Right a jock kid Absolute gentleman He's been moved to shops Prison now Ian McAteer Liverpool He's done his murder Apparently Right so He's having an argument On the yard With a kid on the wing I said knock it on the head Ian the kid's alright He said no no no I'm gonna I'm gonna chiv him I'm gonna chiv him Anyway Ian's gone in his cell Slammed the door shut Shucked her blade at him Ian doesn't fucking start to serve anymore So he's screaming against her But the screws saved him Wow Fucking great But how do you Wait so where Okay because in the beginning I said Sean He sounded like he was from Liverpool Throughout this whole interview I meant to say You know it doesn't anymore Where is he from I'm interested I like this whole style Like I said Lovely fellow mate Lovely fellow Loyalist folk And his brother gets me now Through YouTube When I've been on YouTube And looked at them videos And me and Colin His brother's left comments And I say You Ian's brother And all that Yeah giving me a best mate And I'm like Where is he now He's in shots Dave And I'll tell him You ask for him And all that You know that's how you get To that end of that Facebook Or over that What about suicides And self harm Plenty of suicides And self harm Everyday Everyday self harm Rips up there Rips up there Necks ripped Everyday mate Is that because of mental illness No friends You see Probably a lot of depression Oh yeah Don't go in there with a girlfriend Because she's gone At that point She in the streets Heavy Best friend Probably going crazy with her You see him looking out the window Waiting for the girlfriend's car It's not coming Yeah And every week They're looking out the window Where is it They're never the same Yeah no no Our colleague done the best thing ever You know he got 35 rec It took him from Birmingham Crancourt Straight to Longlaw And didn't bring him back to Woodhill Yeah Which stuck it on the screw If one of us get found guilty We're going to do you in your cunt Right so you got found guilty So they moved him straight there And he found his missile He said look mate He's got A 35 rec From this day Me and you have finished Going to live your life He says I've no good to you now babe Just live your life Which is a manly thing to do Definitely Even a man you know And sat there scratching your knackers Thinking who's she shagging Who's she at tonight And all that bothers What the f**k that Did you have a word for that guy Because we did I think it was Sancho Sancho Yeah Sancho's with your missus right now Yeah yeah yeah Sancho Hulker A good name A good day my kid But it's sad isn't it Because that's the lifeline All those visits with the missus For a while isn't it Well that's the That's the thing to keep you On the level and focus When it's gone You've got nothing to lose You want to die And you know a lot of people They want to die They don't mind fighting Against Ab They're not bothered are they So F**king horrendous mate But it's horrible When you're relying When you're relying on women like Ab And they blow you out You shouldn't be relying on women You should be relying on yourself You gotta think about it though Man what can you do for a woman Behind bars You can't do nothing for her Unless you left something Out there for her Like money You can't assist You can't You know what I'm saying They're gonna do With their natural instinct Visits help you get through your Yeah yeah I looked my visits from our family My family are key aren't they You know I love my family What are they like in the high security visits Yeah good good visits You're sick with your personality You'd be on the screen When you're high risk cate There's a screw at your table Where you're like he's visiting you But you're at the table Yeah you're at the table Now you're at the table He's sat there with a tape recorder And you're sat there with your visits You've got a tape recorder Tape recorder taping you And writing notes down Cheeky comments Writing notes down about you And everything Absolute scandalous But that's because you're high risk cate Are you allowed to have them Yeah you can do all They can organ all that mate But they'll say right Get his stuff from there They'll bring it through So you have to go to the canteen Before the visit started Order all the stuff Go in And then the person from the canteen Will bring the stuff through So you can't drop out in it You know that's what they used to do It was militant So in terms of getting food for your visit Do they have machines Are you going through the canteen No there's A lot of the gels now They've got machines as well as Kiosks for when the kiosks are short But full sort and you could buy Fresh sandwiches Apples, pears, oranges You could buy it banana Your visitors got to do that Your visitors have to You can't buy them Because you come in waiting for them And you come in obviously In handcuffs Because you're high risk cate Under garden that So you're brought down in the course They take them off You go and sit down Then your visitors will come into you And then the bird will come in Will you tray a gear So did you get access to Better food for your visit Well it's better food It's better food than fucking Poxy sea cats and that But it's not better food Than it is on the wind Because we're never at prison food Apart from sandwiches We had sandwiches in that Y'all sitting there cooking up Wild prison meals That's decent Don't go though Boy they got Benny Hollins out here For free For free men Buying loads of bread You're buying everything You're buying all your spreads Cheese So you said you could spend 25 quid a week on canteen On canteen And you just have a sheet of paper Is it Say like that size Yeah You get probably seven sheets In a dispersal Yeah Front and back full of everything Tins of beans Tins of ravioli Everything you can buy from Tesco Joint some beef Off from Tesco Yeah it's not from Tesco But everything you can buy from You'll get Joint some beef Chickens Fish Everything What are your favourites Curries They've always got in with Indians I did And the Jamaicans And the Jamaicans So they're cooking them up Yeah yeah You said you want rice and peas Dave some good Jamaicans Debbie and all them Proper good kids You said I'm making some chicken soup You used to cook the chicken at dinner Strip it all in that And then boil it for the next morning And that was your soup Put chilies in Boiled dumplings Everything was fucking beautiful So in America the theory behind Not cooking And not having weight Is it all be weaponised Yeah Does that stuff get weaponised In the UK No mate Because you go to the office With your key And say giz that knife Get the gear Fucking carving knife To chop your meat up with And that's the top security Mentals You give them your key Or your card And they put it on the oak And they give you the blade They say right you've got half hour With it going in Then take it back in half hour And if you want it again Give them your card again Get it again You get an half hour limit with them But if you want to If you want to serve somebody up It happened at Franklin Right so what they had to do there They rounded all the ends off Of the knife There were no points on them After that After someone got stabbed up there Okay Yeah But crazy You could just go and ask for a knife And if you wanted to kill someone Just fucking stick it in them Yeah And they've gave you the knife Yeah But Americans watching this Are just gonna do much ridiculous They don't even sound feasible I remember the first time I was watching some documentary And they said that I was what You just go hand in your idea Your key And you just get a whole knife To cook for dinner Like whoa Wait a minute Like In America They use an anchovy can Tops to cut stuff They ain't getting no tops I ain't getting nothing You better cut it open with an envelope Or something I don't know what to Yeah And that's top security Where they search every day For weapons because you're cutting Even the weights People's heads were getting crushed And they took all the weights out of America Have they took them on out Just a few weights on yours I've got to correct that actually Because it's state by state Yeah So Arizona where I was They all got sucked out Fucking hell Yeah I would imagine Arizona Was really bad too It stayed as different laws And different prison systems And different rules And different gang rules Yeah Fucking hell I went to see my midbox in 1998 Had the visa and everything Got off the plane at JFK Big black feather on the thing I was getting a midpass boy Scandi said Not coming in here punk Got a drug conviction man Straight downstairs From Thursday to Tuesday Downstairs in the cells With a red suit on the left I thought whoa that's I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I thought whoa that fuck am I Anyway I've sat on the plane About 30 other lads have come on All were mace his bags and everything And I didn't even get out of the airport And the cells underneath Fuming Missed the fight and everything So you got deported back Yeah, on the same flight though They just want that being In the country They said you can't come in Sorry They banned from America So I never tried again They had a visa Yeah But obviously they've double checked it They said no you've got A 10 pound wrapper with it was That was my drug conviction Not coming in punk Looking back on your entire life, what was the high and the low? The high and the low, the high was when I had all my money. What year was that? I had all my money up until 2004. Then I got lots up early 2005, then they were finding it and everything. Found loads, they did the work and we had them on as the top boys have been on, as the James Bones of the crew they've been on, so they know where you're going, the picture you're going and all that. And the serious low was my Jamie, obviously. It's been the worst low of my life, I still can't get to this day. When your brother got guilty that was probably the worst. That was the serious low as well, but Jamie was the worst. Colin's a big man, he can handle it, but at the time I'd have given my life for our Jamie just to be the only young kid who had not seen life at all. Just had a boy, a heartbreak in me, sad. You just never get over it mate. You never get over it losing one of your kids and that. My sister especially, it's terrible. What about funny stories from your party days? Talking about fire. We've had some crackers, real cracker, funny ones mate. Obviously I've told you about Omar one, we've had some good ones with him. We've had some proper good parties mate. Funny, I was always into the football though of me. Just concentrating on the forest and going to all the games and having it on the terraces. In my young days, I was thriving off it, I loved it. So you found the rise of the foot soldier. Yeah, who Carlton Leach had that. Seeing it on Patreon, if anybody wanted to come watch it. Yeah, yeah, well he had a few words about his dinny on that Laura the gun documentary. I don't know. Yeah, Carlton Leach was on there. He bigged us up to be fair to him, but yeah, I respected him for it. Because a lot of them would come on and slag the obvious you hadn't done that, killing them. And all that being convicted of that, but he didn't. He'd come on and proper glorified it. He'd thought, yeah, good lads, and he was on there with me. But they both put good words in for us. It was nice to see somebody at least saying something nice about you because after all the media bollocks and all that, you're just getting assassinated every time. And it gets to the state where you've had enough of it. You fancy swinging at someone, but you don't know who they are, leaving comments because you get all the detrimental comments of wankers under pseudonyms and all that. And you're never going to find them. You could leave your number, they'd never ring you and say, come on, I'll meet you and let's have a straightener on the field. Just wankers, you want to shout out the window. Not ever one time, my boy. Probably really meet you in person and shake your hand and say, you're a big fan. They're putting different voices on. They're just tossers and they all know who we're on about. All people who are watching this now, a lot of you have done it. How did you become friends with Curtis Warren? Curtis, my good pal. I knew Curtis in 92 when we were doing a boar stall. No, 83 when we were doing a boar stall. And then obviously you've moved on and moved on. He's got big in the game and that cocky book come out in the early 90s when I've read it. And then I bumped into him. He was on the special unit with our Cole and I bumped into him at full certainly come there. I say, hey, I'll Curtis and colleagues brother Dave say, I know you lad and all that. And all that. I don't all get that. I've been just dead good pal since then. Good stuff. Good stuff. But if super fit went down to that, Curtis did. Because he was a big unit, won't he? But he went down to that super fit, tech padded tennis, badminton and the lot. Super, super fit. Love the guy to bits. And I hope he gets out soon, mate, because it's wrong what they've done to that fella. What did they do to him? Well, they'd get him another 10 for the proceeds of crime. He went to the phone asking about the price of weed. Got about 13 years. And if that ain't enough, they've asked for 200 million for a phone call and get him 10 year on top. What do you do every day of it? So he's trying to shake him down. Yeah, shaking him down. Because of all the media. They did them dirty. They set an example with them. You know, they portray him as the richest criminal in British history. He's billionaire and has killed someone in a Dutch jail and he's done this. And just throw all shit at you. And you know, you get people who read it and they think, because it's been written by a reporter, it's got to be true. But reporters just want views. It's just false. Using clickbait. That's what I just said earlier. Remember I said that? People just be on here for clicks and views and whatnot, man. And that's why I like to go watch the real nowadays, man. The real stuff being podcast like these with the actual person sitting there that can defend himself and debunk a lot of the stuff that's being said. That's it. And the famous Chestnut used it. It's off a source but Wanko doesn't disclose the source. So you can't challenge it. You know, yeah, it's off a source Wanko doesn't disclose it. And that's the line they used. Complete tosses. But if you ever seen it, they'd fucking like it. The one dreamer coming up and saying, I'm the reporter. I'm this and I'm this. I've had it all, I've had it for decades. So on your longer sentence then, did you work your way down from the Cate? No, yeah. Like I say, I went to, I went from Cate. And then I ended up at Ladham Grange for the last six months. And then I was being mapper three level three with the danger to the public. This said to me, you can't enter the city of Nottingham. You're moving from a straight away, get your kit back, took me straight to Woodhill. And then about a week later I was released and I was in an hostel called Fourplands in Northampton. Right, but there that's where I swore and got recalled after about two months. And to be fair, I didn't want to be in an hostel any longer. I swore. Bro, no you didn't. You constantly smooth out, snatch the envelope and throw it back in her face. That's a salt. Anyway, probably I'm with my kids in that. You shouldn't do what you've heard for four years and then you're stuck in the front. But I'm a rock out with you. You swore on my back. They did your bogus. Can I still win answers? What was your plan as you're in there until you're released? I was planning on just resuming what I do to get dough. I do a couple of bits of debt collecting here and there. No threats, right? Just going to say, look, yo, this doughmate, are you going to get it weighed in? Get paid, get good dough out of it. I've had a few goodings. And it helps you live, doesn't it? So no drugs. I said, I'm never selling drugs again. Don't want to get near them. Don't touch drugs. These mad drugs, I have a couple of pints now. I've had two pints today and that's the first pints I've had for three and a half months. Not even had one. Really? Yeah, just stayed off it all. And all these books then with all these legendary stories, is there any other stories that you need to put to rest? Well, there's obviously the one about my brother being a fucking grass. I've covered that. Being announced for shagging a 19-year-old. But there's loads of stories, one point to rest. They're all in them books. I mean, I've got things in here. Is the stuff in your notes that Collie wants us to go over? Yeah, let's have a look. I mean, I've done that crackhead copper. Fucking idiot. This is why I came here with a notepad ready. I go, yeah, it's my time. No one's ever seen that man in his lives, you know. And bearing in mind, he claims he's infiltrated and got all locked up. Was locked up by Lincolnshire Police. No, to do with Nottingham. Collie's never been nicked for drugs in his life. You mean Lincolnshire Police? Fucking shit ass. Wasn't there something going on with Lincolnshire Police versus Nottingham Police? Yeah, what they done, they got a test. You mean Nottingham Police? Telegram come through from, Nottingham she did, from Lincoln. No, Jones Stirland apparently had phoned the covering officer who dealt with them. He said, who had a move there? Phoned him and said, we've had a parlor in the garden. And the fella says, right, we'll send an email to such and such at Lincolnshire and they'll come and see you in the next hour, but it took him two days. And when they come, obviously there was a deceased person. Of course. He said, I'll send an email. At that point, he might as well send a carrier pigeon. He ain't gonna never see that email for a minute. Surrendous. Fucking horrendous, mate. But then there was all at war over it. See, with Colin, right, it was on a trial. He's got another nine-year, nine-year three months. Right, a police corruption with the copper who worked at Limers and all that, right? He got that. But what he done, he went to court, sacked all his legal team and said, look, I'm doing a 35 wreck. Fuck you, try and fuck off. And he said, take me back to the Nick. So he got to talk back to the Nick and never went again. We got nine-year three months on top of the 35 wreck. Right, but on there, we then whacked that wanker calling him a grass in that. That is the time to say he was a police informant, and this is how he was getting information and that. He never got mentioned, you know, because it's never fucking happened. And that's the horrible thing about it. It's just to make you look a cunt. But it's absolute, it's fuming, Colin is. And there's that paper in Nottingham. It's wrote to them. They took everything down off the internet. This has all come from Phelström. He's given the information, printed this story on Colin Gunn. So they printed a story. Anyway, I've gone and seen him. I said, look, mate, yeah, rage is here, pal. I said, there's no foundation to this. I've shown them all the paperwork. I said, oh, fucking hell. I said, it's come off Phelström, David. I said, don't believe a word the man says. There's an out and out junkie. And all that, but... But anyway, they took it all down and apologized. They wrote him a written apology. Fucking shit, I says. But there's lots of things, but they just wind you up, don't they? There's a whole bunch of clickbait, man. He got three pages full of clickbait from reporters. Fucking wind you up, mate. Yeah. And then... The best clickbaiter of them all, the best example for newspapers to do clickbait. Just watch Spider-Man. What's the... Jameson is his name? What's his name? The reporter? That's Spider-Man I work for? The best clickbaiter in the world. Hands down. Fictional or non-fictional. And this is Bird, who tried to claim he's told of things like folk. Probably won't talk to nobody. Won't even talk to my mates. Yeah, it was tight, wasn't it? Don't talk to people, yeah, tight. Won't talk to nobody, especially about business. Her business got mentioned. Nan again, he had a line of gear. But he was on steroids, yeah, you know, maniac. But Nan again, he had a line, and he'd come in the boozer and then did fuck off, because he didn't want to be around us. Because us all, was all out of it and all buzzing. And you don't like to see laughter and people enjoying themselves. He did said solemn and screw face, and I'll bang one of these cunts and I'm fucking off and they're fucked. That's like when I was dating my very mama. And I had no fun. Like, as soon as she heard fun. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So how many siblings do you have? I've got this me, Colin, my sister Julie, obviously Jamie's mother, and my young brother Andrew, who got kept clean out of it, said you're not going to get involved in our life. What does Andrew think about all this? Great, great. Because if they ever got needs for something, I'd have to swallow it and say I did it. Because my man would have gone, he's my young brother. I mean he's 50, but he's still my baby. He kept me and we kept him out of it. He's got his own business, tarmac in the dropping curves and all that. He does really well, bless him. Proud of him to be fair and he stayed straight out of it. How's your mum coping with Colin doing all day? She swallowed it now, mate, but it's difficult. Because she's 79 in my business. So it's very, very, very difficult. But before she does, she wants this appeal to come through. Yeah. And this is what I was saying about the QC and what he's done with the main witness. Corrupt us for. Yeah. And does she go visit him? Yeah, regular. Yeah, she'll go once a month and the lads will go up. Now I can visit him now because I've finished my licence. I've had a GPS tracker on for 20 months where they've been following me without following me. So, and it's a bit obviously bogged so they can hear what you're saying and that. All right. So, Babe has got a ton of stories. We're hoping to develop a book with him. Part two. That's it, man. It's a salute to the rest, man. It's a long one. Two hours till Oliver Lake, comment, subscribe, turn on your post notifications. Remember, the original video is down in the description. I'm done.