 And I again thank everyone here in LA and my co-producer Joanne Gatti who if I don't thank she'll have my head So but anyway, yes, there was a question. Oh, I I have a motorcycle and how do I connect that to my life? Well, I ride it every day. It's the only vehicle I have now I got got rid of my car. I And that's one thing I just really miss I How does that connect to my life as a letter? Well, I'm independent. I'm willing to be different You know, other people are driven all the other vehicles on the road are different. I'm willing to take risks and And I'm able to like yeah keep myself together enough sober when it's appropriate now and Keeping my bike in shape and all those things to Keep me safe on the motorcycle and to keep those around me safe and that's what I really loved about the idea of Leather motorcycle clubs being like you need to have a bike because if you have a bike It means that you can have the wherewithal to have a bike You probably were able to like take care of it and and those things it just I like to be Maybe it gets back to this like self-sufficiency thing or being able to like I can take care of my bike I can take care of myself and I think that's the way a lot of leather people are is they Are able to Redefine who they are not following what's happening in the mainstream everything and they're able to say I'm going to do It this way. It's different. It's a little harder It's a little sexier and that's awesome Okay, so mr. And mr. Cyan asked me about my experience with it with AIDS life cycle That's interesting age life cycle is a 550 mile bike ride from San Francisco to Los Angeles It's a fundraiser for the gain lesbian center in Los Angeles and the San Francisco AIDS Foundation and it gets bigger and bigger every year and I Think the same reason our events get bigger and bigger every year because it's community. It's got a ritual. It's got all those things My experience with it. I was doing my first one while running for my first leather contest and So I took my old can Harry vest on my first Ride because I said in my interview if you want to look on Harry's will you wear your vest on the ride? And it was one of the first commitments. I had to keep I Is there anything specific that you were wondering about and with that or just why did I do it or? How did it affect me? I It made me feel capable It made me realize I could get up at six o'clock in the morning on a Sunday Especially while I was running for the leather contest that was hard after some Friday and Saturday nights being at events and It made me see what Human beings are capable of with we create on the on the AIDS life cycle with what they called the love bubble and it's this sense of When you're riding out part of the protocols or you're you're you call out hazards, you know broken glass dead animal, whatever it is and So you're constantly taking care of your kid taking care of other people on the on the ride and I've taken that as a Personal kind of way of being even outside of it I realized I was doing that with running people and I said don't look up for that. She's oh, thank you I'm like runners. Don't do that. I guess not but Yeah, I don't know. I wish I had a more clever answer, but I don't you want to give her the microphone. I Didn't realize I was so soft-spoken, but I just want to say how much I appreciate your honesty especially when it's Like sensitive topics, but that's what makes you a great leader or any of us that want to be leader and in Anything we have to have those tough discussions and say exactly where we stand Without offending the other side and I think that's really important in our community But I just wanted to say thank you that I really appreciate that my question is Maybe I misinterpreted you, but it seems like you Feel that there should be game in space Gay woman space, you know kind of separated and you also mentioned that with the Mr. L. A leather Contest that the contestants should be Mr. How do you feel about them putting Mr. L. A leather? Miss L. A leather and L. A boot black all together in the contest this weekend Well, I'll take about first like my diversity Conversation and then I'll talk about everybody all these things being under one banner and the first thing is I Think we make a mistake of wanting Rules to apply to everybody all the time and That's why I came up with the pets principle You live there's four different environments that you're in you're either with your pack your enclave your tribe or society And I like to use like the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence as a great example a sister You know the pack the LA house of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence is very Exclusive you just don't show up in an outfit and then you're one of them It's a whole procedure. So that's their pack and then their enclave is the Sisters like all over the world You know and so that's a broader thing now now the different houses have different rules Specific to their house, but they're all part of the same enclave and they all have some like shared Identity among their enclaves and then you move to the tribe level and for them that like includes like the the leather community and and and and like other like edgy like Ferries and stuff like that that's all part of their like tribe and then for society for them that would be you'd call that gay pride Gay pride is like society for that the sisters show up, but everybody's not living under sisters rules at gay pride They're living under the pride the the the society norms of what happens at pride So the same thing happens with us we need to check where am I if you're in this room on it Well used to be three on a country dance night It's gonna be country dance night. I have problems with this place not playing country songs You know Madonna is not a country artist, but they are doing it and I have to live with that. We're like We're mixing things up a little bit But I like this being a country bar and this is a country bar That's mainly for gay and lesbian people Everybody is welcome here and that's what this particular bar is about but other bars can be allowed to be what they are about and When we come together as a tribe We are a collection So then you have women you should have women spaces and men spaces and but then that's different than a pan space if it's a pan space if it's a pansexual space, then it's a pansexual space, but I There's a little tyranny sometimes coming from everybody wanting everything to be pansexual And I'm not pansexual. I'm a gay man So I want to have my gay men space and I want to be able to visit my Cousins at the at the pan event and I don't belong in a woman's event So that's how I feel about that. So then how do it is it with how do I feel about these different things? I think that I'm trying to have them if they're all like these three things at the same time I'm fine with that as long as they get their own time and their own dignity and what they're really really about I love boot blacking. Don't look at my prints tonight. These have a lot of yeah But That's a whole thing and it should be celebrated and when I've been to the boot blacking event In San Francisco and like listen to like they get really into like all the details about how everything is done and all that all that minutia and that's amazing and so When we try to make it boot black mist leather mr. Leather like all in the same night I think that's too much. It's just what are we gonna add next and then it's you know I have a huge problem with international mr. Leather trying to make International mr. Boot black Equal to the IML contest winners and and this is where we we close our eyes and we stick our fingers in our ears because at the same IML event two years ago that I went to when they had Chuck Renslow They were like talking and they they had his voice saying I You can have the boot black contest after three years of being harassed by his boyfriend or somebody He said fine. You can have the boot black contest. Just don't have it interfere with IML And at the same contest they are being now introduced with the IML There's no difference between the boot black people and the people competing for IML They all are introduced together. They all come on the stage to go. They all leave together It's all one contest and now I'm like confused You're not doing what Chuck wanted first and Two it's it's a different thing. Why not have your own boot black contest Yeah, that's that that's my whole thing too and like our play spaces too I don't think our play spaces are booked up every single weekend If you want to have a pan event where everybody comes regardless of how they look or how they feel or whatever Or just even if they're kinkering or not or whatever they don't want to do all these other rules that I put on my events Have that event Have it. There's plenty of time book the space But people aren't doing it what they see is the energy of the sex like a man-on-man sex energy has a specific Vibration and a specific intensity and and I get it. I want to be in it. I want to be in it like crazy And but I think people want to be in that when it's not appropriate and it needs to be negotiated so that it happens in a pan space where it is and That's all I have to say Okay, so Piggyback after off of Persephone question there You had recently had a miss oil can Harry Contacts here in conjunction with Mr. Correct. So If that's how you feel about keeping things separate Then how come you had those together in one entity here for a Mr. Amos if you can answer that Well, you know I didn't cause a stink about it, but I judged every contest up until that contest I didn't I didn't participate in that. That's how I dealt with it